April 2, 2024 • 56 mins
In this episode Ben and Pat dive into the story of Anita Garibaldi the Badass Brazilian revolutionary who, alongside with her husband Giuseppe Garibaldi AKA "The George Washington of Italy", fought through the jungles and mountains and more for equality and independence of the Brazilian people.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Badass of the Week is an iHeartRadio podcast produced by
High five Content. January eighteen forty, Anita Garibaldi, soldier, freedom
fighter separatist gorilla leader, is riding hard wounded in battle.
During the fighting at Kurtchibano's, she was captured by the enemy,
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but has managed to escape her captors, steal a horse
and take off into the night. Galloping away as Imperial
troops fire at her with their muskets. She hurtles through
unfamiliar forests in the dark of night, yet does not
slow her pace. She is nineteen years old in the
early stages of pregnancy. She received word that her lover,
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Gorilla leader Giuseppe Garibaldi, was killed in action, yet she
refuses to believe it. She didn't see his body among
the piles of dead on the field. He must be alive,
and if he lives, so too. As the resistance more
shots ring out. A group of Imperial horsemen are pursuing her,
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determined to bring the rebel leader back dead or alive.
One of their bullets hits home, striking Anita Garibaldi's horse.
It cries out and collapses, pitching her forward into the mud.
She scrambles to her feet, pulling herself from under the
wounded animal. The enemy horsemen are closing in quickly. She
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runs and then she hears the sound of running water.
It's a large river ahead in the darkness. It's moving
quickly in an unknown direction, with rocks jutting up above
the surface. The horsemen get closer. It's now or never.
Anita Garibaldi dives into the water. Hello and welcome back
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to Badass of the Week. Is Ben Thompson and I
am here as always with my co host, doctor Pat Larish. Pat,
thanks for coming back. I'm still here. Yeah. How are
you doing doing okay?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay. I just completed a
really big project, so I'm finally getting a little bit
of free time, which is really nice. I've got one
more little thing and then I'm kind of in the clear,
and that's going to feel pretty good. I'm going to
take tomorrow off to celebrate. That's my exciting thing for
the week. Take Friday off, go to a hockey game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah. Well, we have been doing the show for a
while and I had mentioned to you that I really
wanted to do a Brazilian Badass because you know, we've
been I spend a lot of time down there, and
I have been getting a lot of exposure to Brazilian history.
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My wife's cousin, Gustavo, has kind of, you know, he's
been my liaison for badass Brazilian history. He's done a
very good job of sending me all manner of badass
things from Brazilian history and old movies, books, stuff like that.
There's a lot of really cool stuff there. Yeah. So
I'd been wanting to do a Brazilian for the show,
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and you kind of had an idea when I said that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, so we're talking about Brazilian badasses. But the spark
for my suggestion was actually in Rome, as in Rome, Italy.
So one of the times I was in Rome, I
was walking around on the Jennicolo Hill, which is one
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of the many hills of Rome. I see the statue
of a woman on a horse and the horse is
rearing up and it's very dramatic. It's very well sculpted,
and one arm is raised wielding a pistol. Her other
arm is clasping her infant child to her chest. Who
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is this, Well, I look closer and it's Anita Garibaldi,
and there are freezes around the pedestal, little sculptural elements
telling various episodes of her life. And she's buried in Rome.
But she was a freedom fighter in Brazil and her
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story is just fascinating on a personal level. On a
political level, the statue is actually pretty inspiring. It's pretty dynamic.
It was appropriated as fascist propaganda, but lots of things were,
so we're not gonna worry about that too much. So, yeah,
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so I wanted to learn more about her, and when
you suggested a Brazilian badass, this seemed like a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, And so she's a huge hero in Brazil, especially
in the south, in the southern part of the country,
which is actually where my family's from. Gustavo is from
the same state as her, and my in laws live
a couple of states north, so so yeah, so she's
a big hero. There's streets and plazas and universities, and
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there's even a couple of cities named after her. There's
all kinds of patriotic Brazilian art of her doing things
like riding on horses and shooting guns and holding flags
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And in Italy, you have a lot of things
named after Garibaldi, but those tend to be named after
Giuseppe Garibaldi, who is her husband.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right, He's like the greatest hero of all of in
Italian modern Italian history, right.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, he led the reunification.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But she was there for a lot of that. Yeah,
she was worth mentioning, right because she wasn't there for
all of it, but she's there for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, and it's nice to hear that she's getting credit
for it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah. Absolutely. So, Well, let's get into the story and
let's find out who this woman on the horse with
the gun and the baby is. We're going to talk
about Anita Garibaldi, but first we're going to take a
really short commercial break for a word from our sponsors.
Stay with us, and we will get into that store
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when we get back. I am not afraid of living,
of running after my dreams. I'm only afraid of standing still.
We are going to talk now about Anita Garibaldi.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It sounds like a motivational quote right there.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, it is in certain parts of Brazil, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, Like do you get it on like posters or
coffee mugs.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Or yeah, I imagine yeah. Yeah, there's the one statue
of her in Rome, but there's one per square mile
in Brazil. Yeah, at least, like I said, at least
in the south, because that's kind of where she was.
She was a hero. So, uh pat, I am gonna
I'm going to assume limited understanding of Brazilian geography and
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history as I go through this, and so I will
kind of explain the backstory a little bit because I
think people are going.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
To look at Yeah, they're.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Going to look up Anita Garibaldi and they're going to
see that she was in the Ragamuffin War and they're
going to be like, what is.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This Charles Dickens. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, so yes, give
us context.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, So the Furthest southern state in Brazil is called
hugraj Seoul means the big river in the south. It's
the Furthest state south in Brazil. It borders Uruguay and Argentina.
And the people from this area are a little different
than the people from the rest of Brazil. They are
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they call themselves gauchows. It's kind of think like what
we think about when we think about cowboys in the
Old West, right.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, So these are cowboys of South America.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah. Yeah. They dress in these ponchos with the big hats.
They have these kind of fringe like shirts with fringe
on them, like you'd see in the Old West, and
they have that whole vibe of their horsemen and their
cattle ranchers. They are independent people. They live. You know,
there's some mountains down there, but there's also some herding
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lands and it's a kind of a different vibe from
when you think about northern Brazil. It's a totally different,
totally different setup. It's not cowboys down there or up there. Okay,
So in the time period we're talking about right now
is eighteen twenty four. That's kind of when things are
gonna when this story is going to begin. Now, at
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this point in time, there is a Constitution of Brazil
that says Brazil is a federation of states. But there's
an Emperor of Brazil.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh, Brazil had an empire.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Still had two emperors. They're both named Pedro, and in
eighteen twenty four, we're on Pedro the second. There's a
whole thing with this that is interesting, but it's just
going to derail our conversation. So we're just going to
save that right now, you.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Can google it on your own time. Yes, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
In eighteen twenty four, Pedro the Second is the emperor
of Brazil and for a place like Heograndridasool, which is
so different from the rest of Brazil. They're not that
interested in a federated empire, right, They kind of they
liked each state having a little bit of its own autonomy.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, they'd rather be left alone to do their thing and.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You know, live and let live exactly. And there's some
interference going on with Pedro the Second. Pedro the Second
is not like a He's provides some stability, but the
government is having a hard time, so he's not. The
people of hero Grands will think that maybe he's not
doing enough to take care of them, and these kind
of seeds of revolution begin, like separatism begin in the state. Hey,
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we're from for everybody else, you know, we're not. We're
actually like there's a lot of similarities between the gauchos
of southern Brazil and the gauchos of Argentina and Uruguay,
and so they feel a little bit more kinship with
them than they do with Emperor Don Pedro and Heo Dejianio.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Right, yeah, and Brazil is just this abstract concept for
a lot of the people.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I would imagine, yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
They were they were they were still Portugal not that
long ago. And so you know, they call it the
Ragamuffin War, which is really just a silly kind of
sounding name.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is this a translation of some Brazilian Portuguese.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Term it is? Yeah, so in Brazil it's called the
Heavulu song of Fuddopelia. Fuddopelia is like rags like like
like like like a piece of clothing that has been
ripped to shreds.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is the sort of thing that a ragamuffin would wear.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Right, yeah, rags y, Yeah, it's a it was a
word that was originally come up with to make fun
of these gouch because they have the fringe on their thing.
They dressed kind of rat you know, they're they're they're
not finally dressed like you'd see in Sal Paulo or
Hero Dejaneiro.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Okay, yeah, I mean I just want to say, crafting
a poncho, Weaving a poncho probably takes a lot of skills.
So let's like it seems like this is an opportunistic insult.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yes, yeah, and it's one that the people of this
region kind of got around, like they started calling themselves
for ope leave because they because they didn't they liked it.
They were like, yeah, well whatever, we're like, we're the
scroungey guys, and you know, yeah exactly. Yeah, they called
the Federalists they called them kada muru or they called
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them camels sometimes, and that was like a yeah, kind
of muru was a word they used to make fun
of them for being too European, you're basically Portuguese, like
we're the real Brazilians, you guys, are these uptight, centralized whatever.
So they would make fun of each other with these
with these words.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Okay, so we're just like shouting insults at one another
and the Fedapos are appropriating it, claiming it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah exactly, exactly, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Which seems like it's vibing with the general ethos that
you've been describing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, exactly. And so that's the those are the kind
of the battle lines here. And you know, while they
call it the ragamuffin War, it's really it's a beef
jerky war.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, okay, so we went from ragamuffin too beef jerky
in sixty seconds.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
It's kind of the beef jerky war. Because here's the
deal is that these these gaut shows, they make it.
They make a lot of jerky, a lot of leather
products down there. The word for jerky in Portuguese they
call it sharky, which is where jerky, the word jerky
comes from.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I always wondered that.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, and yeah, and you know, while we're all supposed
to be this centralized empire, the government which at the
time was in uh was in Hio de Gianeiro like
they were. They had these really low taxes on imported
Argentinian and Uruguayan beef, jerkey and leather products, and so
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because it was a little bit cheaper to buy buy
from Argentina, people were buying there. And now all these
farmers and all of these cattle guys and these ranch
hands in Fiogartia to school, they can't make a living
because they can't sell their stuff. They're selling it as
cheaply as they can. But the Argentina ins, well no,
and they're like, well, why are we even doing here? Then,
Like why you're imposing your stuff on us and you're
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not helping us at all. So we're just gonna you know,
there's some grumblings for let's separate, right, Let's just we'll
do our own thing. We'll break apart. Maybe we'll be
allies with the Uruguayan and Argentina and we can all
do our thing.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, Okay, So that's where they're coming from.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, So Emperor don Pedro he doesn't like that, and
he puts the governor in charge in Fiogarida to Sool.
That just starts like he's starting to like search out
who is a separatist and who's not. He's starting to
compile a list.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, because yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
The separatists are like, okay, well you know this is
our chance. Like are like the guy who ends up
being the separatist leader, Like his name gets mentioned in
a speech by the new governor of Pregardjstool, and that
guy's like, okay, well we can either act now or
we're all going to go to jail anyway. So okay,
they decided to act. They get a group of maybe
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around one hundred people, only about thirty of them are
like armed and on horseback. On September nineteenth, eighteen thirty five,
when there is a there's a battle outside, and it's
a small battle. It's a little skirmish outside of Portoilegree,
which is the capital of the state. And so there's
this battle on this bridge. There's some loyalist guys there.
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There's some gauchos there. They're yelling, they're they're you know,
the loyalists are coming after the gauchos. The gout. They're
trying to fight back. Gunshots come out and people start shooting.
People start attacking with bayonets and spears. They're using spears here.
It's eighteen thirty six, but there's a there's a spear.
The commander of the loyalist force is wounded by a
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spear and two of his men are killed. And when
the commander of the loyalist force is stabbed with the spear,
he drops his gun, takes off his helmet, throws it
on the ground, falls off his horse, gets up and
just runs away screaming wow. And so all of his
men lose their nerve and they leave too. So this
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is and they run away.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, so they psych themselves out. I mean, okay, getting
a spear piercing yourself is going to be bad from.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Morale, but dropping your helmet and all of your weapons
and running away it is a bad look for it.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's a bad look. On the other hand, maybe it's like, Okay,
we're going to cut our losses and get out of here.
I don't know whatever. Anyway, so loyalists have experienced non successfulness.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, it's a very small engagement. There's thirty people on
each side, but the loyalists run. And this is kind
of I mean a picture like a Lexington and Concord
kind of situation where there weren't a lot of people
out on that battlefield, but like it was important. And
the Gauchos move into Porto Alegra and they take the
city on September twentieth, eighteen thirty five. September twentieth is
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still a state holiday in Heirograng's school. I bet yeah,
and the state declares independence. A year later, the Empire
is trying to send troops to counterattack and to retake
the province, but it's it's far away. It's all the
way on the southern tip of the tip of the
country in place, and the governments and kind of disarray,
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which is part of the reason why these guys want
to separate in the first place, they're trying to break apart,
and because the government can't take care of them, and
then when they do break apart, the government's struggling to
do anything about it. Yeah, so this begins the gehead
to those Fahapos, the heavl Song Fahopelia, the Ragamuffin War,
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in Ragamuffin War, the beef Jerky War.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Beefery War.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yes, it will last for ten years and leave three
thousand people dead.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Wow, Yes, Okay, But.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's kind of this romantic time period in Brazilian history
because we're at the height of you know, we're in
the eighteen hundreds. It's kind of this romantic time period
for literature and art, and this is kind of a
time period that like how we view the Old West, Right,
we view the Old West as kind of these romantic ideas,
when in reality it was a bunch of you know,
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smelly guys shooting each other.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Right, So both of these things can be true. There
is this really gritty side that ended badly for some people.
And also you have other people writing literature achieving achievement. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of Brazilian literature that is kind
of written around this time too, and not to mention
that like it's contemporary with people like Victor Hugo. Right,
so there's a lot of literature around this time, and
we're going to get into how some of that comes
into being. Yes, so okay, So now we've got the
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beef Jerky war is in effect, is in full effect,
and this revolution it's starting to spread, and it's starting
to spread north to the next state north, which is
called Santa Catarina. And this is the problem for the emperor.
We don't want this revolution spreading, but it is spreading
because Santa Catarina is also in the south. They have gauchos,
they are a little bit more they If we have
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to pick sides, I think we're gonna pick here. Ground
you to school. And one of the people living in
Santa Katarina is Anita Maria Jesus Hiberro. This is our Anita.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Garibaldi, Anita Maria jesusber So. And can we call her
Anita for short?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yes, okay. Anita was born August thirtieth, eighteen twenty one.
So as this rebellion is spreading to her hometown, she's
a teenager.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Prime risk taking phase of one's life.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yes, exactly. She lost her father a long time ago.
Her mother is suffering from depression, probably because of that,
and Anita is but that puts her in a position
where she needs to be a little bit more adult.
She needs to kind of take charge of things. So
she's a horseback rider, she's a gaucho. She can shoot,
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she can ride, she can drive cattle, she can work
the farm, she can do all the cowgirl stuff. She's
I'm getting like Annie Oakley vibes when I think about yeah,
you know, even down to the like troubled childhood. She's
from a town. Well, there's some debate on what town
she's from. A lot of towns nearby like to claim her.
But I'm gonna call I'm gonna go with a Tubo,
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which means Shark, but it's close to the coast in uh,
she's shut down.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm from the town of Shark. Yes, okay, awesome, Yes, okay.
So this is Anita and she has badass vibes.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
She has badass vibes. She's like a badass, like high
energy eighteen year old. And when word of this revolution
starting to show up and she's like she's in she
thinks it's awesome, super on board. This is excitement, right,
Like this is good, Like this is going to be
an opportunity for some excitement. So Luke Sky her.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Purpose in life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not just
random risk taking. This is risk taking in accordance with
some ideals.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, right, exactly, And so she wants to be a
part of this and she gets a very good opportunity
to be right in the middle of it. In eighteen
thirty six, that is the year that Giuseppe Garibaldi arrives
in town. And Jesaipa Gharrabaldi we've talked about him in
the open. He is, he's a big deal patent.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay. So he's made his way across the Atlantic Ocean,
which in and of itself is kind of a big
deal because you know.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
In eighteen thirty four that was not like a guarantee
that you would make it all the way to the
other side of the ocean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, you don't just hop on a plane and get
disappointing in flight meals.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So yeah, so this guy shows up and so Joseppe
Garibaldi tells about him.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So, Jiseppe Garibaldi, he was born in a town called Nice,
which is in present day France. But at the time,
in eighteen oh seven when he was born, it was
French and Italian. They were kind of going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So he is European history.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Right, exactly. He's of Genoan descent. I guess, okay, but
this is a time and it's easy to think of
Italy as being a country, right. It was a country
during the Roman Empire, and it is a country now.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But yeah, and geographically it's a peninsula with a very
distinct to shape it's boot, you know. But but at
this time, yeah, Italy was just a geographical term. It
was not a political thing. You've got Genoa, You've got Sicily,
which is actually not entirely unified. You've got Florence, You've
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got Sardinia, you've got the Papal States, you've got Naples,
you've got Venice, you've got Tuscany, you've got Lombardy. YadA, YadA, YadA, yes,
and so Italy it's like it's it's just this whole.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's just a mess of states, kind of like Germany
was like that too, right, just just a bunch of
different and they all have they have different languages, like
the Venetians had total everl language. They to speak like
Italian as we know it, right.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, Like I was told by UH, an Italian
tour director of a trip that I took some students
on that the reason okay, so this one of the
stereotypes of Italians is that they use hand gestures a
lot when they speak. Our tour director said that his
explanation was that, well, historically, you have so many different
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cultures in Italy, and politically Italy was divided for so long,
and you have so many different dialects that you have
to use the hand gestures to communicate because the words
might not match up.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know. That's really interesting, Yeah, because I mean even
if they were speaking Italian, even if a couple of
these states were speaking Italian, or too.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Many different things in different places, but.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, yeah, you have these dialects, these accents that were
so strong you couldn't understand you other dialect is almost
a different language, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes, so yeah, anyway, so you've got all of these
different subcultures, all these different nations, all these different city states, and.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And yeah, so Garret Baldi was not he was Garabaldi
is an interesting character. We could do a whole thing
on him, but totally yeah, but we're gonna focus on
him as he relates to Anita for this story. What
he wanted to do was unify Italy under one banner.
It was all these different little and he was hoping
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to recreate an Italian state for the people of Italy.
He gets involved in some revolutionary movements that are trying
to do that. In eighteen thirty four, he participates in
a mutiny to overthrow the government of Piedmont, which is
in the north of Italy, right, and he wants to
overthrow the government of Piedmont was to create an Italian government.
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That doesn't work for Austria, who shares a border with Piedmont.
And you know, the last time we had a unified
last time we had a unified Italy, we had the
Roman Empire. And neither France, nor Austria, Australi, Hungarian Empire,
none of these guys in Germans. Nobody really wants Italy
to be a unified dominant power in Europe, so is
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in their best interest to keep Italy down, which is
what Austria does. They attack this revolution in Piedmont. Garibaldi
and his guys lose. Garibaldi is personally sentenced to death
in absentia by Austria. So he runs away.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, yeah, I don't blame him.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, you got two options to get hanged or flee
to Tunisia, which is what he does. He runs to Carthage.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, goes to Tunisia, which is the part of North
Africa that's geographically closest to Italy, so it's a convenient
place to flee to. And also, Ben you said, Carthage,
which is in Roman Empire terms, the historical symbolic enemy
of Rome. So I don't know. He gets points for style.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yes, so he leaves. He goes. In eighteen thirty six,
he sails across the Atlantic to Rio dei Gianeiro and
he's kind of just looking for something different. He had
been a ship captain before, so he's a good sailor.
He gets on the ship, he goes to Rio, and
when he's in Rio, he starts reading about this revolution
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in the south of the country, these fret Opilia's, the gauchos,
and Garibaldi is the kind of guy who like this
sounds awesome, yeslution, We're gonna overthrow the empire where these
these are freedom fighters looking to like battle this tyrannical
government to create their own culture. Like I'm in I'm
super down. So he goes out of his way to
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find some of the guys, some people who are involved
with the revolution. Rio's a big place, it's one of
the capital of Brazils. There's an opportunity to find people
there who maybe can help you. And he does eventually
end up meeting the leader of the revolution and he's like, hey,
I'm formidably, I'm a ship captain. Like, how can I help?
I'm a revolutionary, I want to fight.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I have a resume. Yes, check out my LinkedIn profile exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Have have participated in a mutiny in Piedmont, have fought
the Austrian army? Do you need help with the Brazilians?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
He's got bullet points actually maybe literally bullet points.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yes, so so Josepi Garibaldi gets a letter of mark
to serve as a corsair, like a like a private mark.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Is that like an official thing?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah? So, okay, a letter of mark. Usually will see
this in reference to like the Pirates of the seventeen hundreds,
the Pirates of the Caribbean kind of thing. For instance,
like if you were a private ship captain and you
were British, you could go you could get a letter
of mark from the British government that said it's okay
if you want to like plunder and raid French shipping,
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because we're at war with them, so you're kind of
like a government sponsored pirate. So the letter he got
here was like, you can attack imperial shipping and we
won't and that's okay, Like you're allowed to, you're but
you can't because we're at war with them. If situation changes,
they can pull the letter of mark. It's a conditional thing,
like if you attack our stuff, you're gonna go to
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you know, we're gonna hunt you down. If you attack
somebody that we're not at war with and accidentally put
us in a war with somebody else, we're gonna hunt
you down.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Okay. But it's like a stress valve, like a release valve.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Are plundering out, Okay, you can under here's a list
of folks you can plunder.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah. Yeah, you like a mercenary, but they're not going
to pay. You can plunder. You do whatever you want
to be.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but if you're plundering, presumably you're going to get
something out of the deal anyway, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, but we're not. Yeah, you're pirrating for us. Okay, yeah. Cool.
So he gets this letter of mark that's great. Here's
the problem with the Gauchows. They don't have a port,
they don't have access to the sea, they don't have
any big cities, they don't have any shipbuilding facilities.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, so his maritime resume is irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yes, he can now he now has a letter where
he can raid Brazilian shipping, but he doesn't. He has
no boats and he has no access to water. He
heads south to Regretss. He catches a boat down there,
and he goes out into the countryside of the state
and he starts recruiting people to help him. And what
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he ends up doing is building two boats on land,
like in like farmland. He builds two ships like.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Way in the middle of the continent. Yes, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, he's like shipbuilding people out there because he has
no access to the water. All the entire coast is
owned by the by the empire. So he builds an
eighteen ton warship and a fourteen ton warship and he
puts them on wheels and they're dragged by two hundred
os in to the sea, so he can put them
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in the ocean and hire it with them.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay, let's just stop for a moment and visualize this.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, so they reenact this in Brazil, like you'll see
like in parades and stuff like yeah. Yeah, and he'll
go to school for the for the the anniversary of
this kind of stuff. Like they'll i mean, they're little boats,
but like they'll they'll build boats and put them on
wheels and guys. Garibaldi famously always dressed his guys in
red shirts. It was the story is that it was
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cheaper to buy red shirts.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Then.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I heard a.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Story that it was like leftovers from some butcher's shops
or something.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. Yeah, butchers in the time period wore red shirts
because of the blood.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Uh it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, And so but there was like a bunch of
they had a bunch of red shirts laying around, and
he was like, I'll just dress all my guys in that.
And so you'll always see Garibaldi and his guys in
red shirts. But guys, and we'll wear that, and they'll
they'll drag you know, they'll they'll strap a regular size
rowboat to two horses and they'll drag it down the
street for a parade and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, so the two horses are representing like two hundred
docks in.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, one horse. These are big boats, Like this is
like like a pirate ship, right, this is not a
small Yes, there are paintings of this. It's crazy looking.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah. Yeah, Like this is not like a kayak that
you can portage with one or two people. This is yeah, this.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Is build a thing like like the Trojan horse kind
of style, right to build wheels for us.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Okay, so they're slefting this over land and this is
that is not immediately approximate to the seashore.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Right, because because the empire owns the seashore, and if
they see you building this thing off the cost, they're
gonna come get you. Right, Like, you got to build
it far enough away that they don't know what you're doing.
You got to build it in secret, drag it out there, stick,
get in the water, and then start attacking people.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah like oh yeah, this is just like an educational
project for like our middle school students. No, no, just
we're doing it's huge. Okay, So it's like what what
did you say, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Tons, eighteen tons and fourteen tons like with crews of
like dozens of people, right, Like that's the size of
this ship, like a pirate ship. Like it's it's a warship.
And so he builds these two ships and he drags
them across Satakatarina to the town of Laguna and he
arrives there on July twenty second, eighteen thirty nine. He
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gets to the shore, he's got the boats. He's trying
to find a spot to put the boats in the water.
And he's up on this hill and he's got this
spyglass like like you'd see on a pirate boat or something.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, yeah, like yeah, So he's telescoping it out. He's
surveying the horizon.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yes, scopes out the horizon, he scopes out the bay,
scopes out where if there's an enemy enemy around, if
there's any enemy ships in the harbor, where would I
put mine in where they don't we'll like you know.
And so he's looking around and the story goes that
as he's scouting out the city, he sees a girl
walking around town.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Wait, okay, so he's just like, let's linger on the
visuals here we've got this round lens and did they
I don't know if they had the crosshairs in those days,
but let's imagine it. And he's just like, hey, she's exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's exactly what happened. He's Italian man, this is how
they were.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, like this is this is like peak cliche.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yes, you would roll your eyes if you saw this
in a in a movie. But like I'm picturing it
like like a cartoon, like you know, and the cartoons
were like you go past it and you're like go
back and then like the eyes like pop out the
far side of the telescope. That's kind of the visual
I have of this in my head. But day he's
looking around, he was looking around, he sees her. He's like, whoa,
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she's cute.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Now. Giuseppe Garibaldi was thinking strategically. He's thinking like, okay.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Boats, town defenses, guards, entry ps es, and then all.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Of a sudden, la la or whatever the Italian slash
Portuguese version is. Okay, he was not expecting this, but
apparently it happened. Okay, meet cute, or at least a
wonder a unidirectional meet cute. Yes, Oh she's interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yes, okay, what happens, and so he scouts out the
town and there's no imperial presence in the town. So
what he does is he drags his two boats up
and he puts him in the water there, and he
moves his guys in, and he's like, all right, well,
the revolution now controls this town, okay. And people come
out to meet him because this is weird. He's showing
up with these two boats. He's gonna put him in
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the water. People in Steth the cutter a Katarina, they're like,
you know, they're a little they're a little confused bout
what's going on. They're mostly sympathetic to the revolution. Here
there's no imperial guys around. Cool, great, we move in.
We'll put these boats in the water. And the people
of the town came up, and I'm going to read
a quote from Garibaldi here as he's entering the town
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with these boats. And you'll have to excuse me because
the version I'm using for this quote is Garibaldi's writings
translated by a Portuguese speaker into Portuguese, which I have
then attempted to translate back by myself. So I'm not
sure it's I'm not sure it's completely accurate, and I'm
not sure it's exactly what Garibaldi said, but I will
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do my best.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We're going on vibes here.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yes, this is a translation of a translation, but here
we go. He says. We entered, and the first person
who approached was the one I had seen through the spyglass.
It was Anita, the future mother of my children, my
life's companion, the good and happy and unhappy fortune of
my life, the woman whose courage would ignite my life.
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We stopped and stared at each other, looking at each
other as people who had seen each other in various
previous incarnations. We searched for memories of where we had
known each other. I saluted her, and I said I
must have you. I spoke very little Portuguese and articulated
the provocative words in Italian.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, he's thirty two years old. She's eighteen. But this
is normal for this, that's like pretty normal for this
time period, right and.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
In eighteen whatever? Yeah? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.
So what does she do? Does she say and walk
off in a huff?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
She doesn't fall, you know, she doesn't, I don't know,
swoon for his Italian. She says, I'm married. Uh oh, which.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Is which is a statement of fact. Yes, so she
was married.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
She had been married to a shoemaker since she was
fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So I'm gonna say, if she's eighteen and she's married, well, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
By most accounts, this was not a very This is
not like a very happy marriage either. Oh yeah, so
she of course ditches that guy, falls in love with
Jiseeppe Garibaldi, runs off to leave her hometown of like
boring living with the shoemaker. Nothing happening here. She's getting
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an opportunity to ride horses and shoot guns and fight
in a war and for a cause. Yes, help her,
help her her country be free, her people be free.
She gets a red shirt and she joins the army
of Jiuseppe Garibaldi. Okay, I want to kind of to
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kind of illustrate what she's deciding with this, so I'm
going to use a quote Fromjuseppe Garibaldi. And it's it's
interesting because when you read about her in Portuguese y,
they talk about Joseepa Garabaldi is just Garibaldi, and she's
just anita, like you know in Brazilian sports. It's like
that too, where you just go by your first name.
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They don't really.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Exactly right, his name is little Ronald. Yeah, so Joseeppa
Garibaldi is talking to later in life. He's talking to
guys who are going to follow him into war and
for the they're going to fight for Italian independence. They're
going to try to reunify. He's not done with his
dreams of unifying Italy. He's going to come back to
that later in life. He's talking to his guys. But
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I think this quote also sums up what he's asking
of Anita when she leaves her hometown to follow him
into war. He says, I offer neither pay, nor quarters,
nor food. I offer only hunger, thirst, forced march, his
battles and death. Let him who loves his country with
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his heart and not merely his lips, follow me. And
I kind of get that vibe with Anita. She could
have stayed home and had a boring life and that
would have been fun.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, But in some parallel universe.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
That is not this. Yes, exactly, she decides she's going
to go with him, and this is the kind of
guy she's going for.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
The hunger she's going to And this is the kind.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Of guy that jesset He was to write. He inspired
this kind of attitude in people. He was a real
he was a true believer in all of this. He
was very charismatic. He was very like devoted to his causes.
Like he's willing to fight and die for the independence
of this state in Brazil that he'd never heard of
like five years ago. But he's like very passionate about it.
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And that's kind of how their romances is and the
way they wrote about it and the way it is
portrayed in Brazilian telenovelas. It's very passionate.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, and if you're the subject of a Brazilian telenovela,
you know you've arrived.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You made it.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
In with most of our European heroes, they become they
get the they get the erotic fanfic version from nineteenth century,
and for the great Brazilian heroes, they get telen novellas.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So she joins the army with him, and she she
will never leave his side again for the rest of
her life. She will fight beside him in every major
battle that they're going to participate in. She is like,
she's a frontline soldier in his army and she will
fight with him. So they take Laguna. There was no
imperial presence there. It shows up when they find out
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that the rebels are there putting boats in the water.
After the fact, yeah, exactly, they show up and they
have to they have to have a battle. So the
Battle of Imbituba Isbitua is just the other like Laguna
is the southern part of the bea in the northern
part of the beach is called eb two weather. They're
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very close to each other, and the Brazilian navy sends
warships and he has to fight them with his warships
and with cannons that he's brought over to the beach.
So now he controls the beach, so that gives him
an advantage if he can shoot from the from the
coast at the Brazilian warships. There's a battle. During the battle,
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Anita is on Garibaldi's flagship. They're fighting. At one point
there is a cannon shot that blows up a big
part of the side of the ship. There On, she
falls into a pile of three dead guys and Garibaldi's
like are you good? And she's like, no, no, I'm good.
Like you do your thing, I'll do my thing. She
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was carrying a sword, she was rallying people in the battle,
she's carrying ammunition to the cannons. And the rebels win
that battle and they drive off the Brazilian navy and
from that point on they can start building boats on
the shore and Garibaldi starts. Yeah, and so the Garibaldi
is they start building a fleet and they start raiding
shipping and doing what they had got that letter of
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mark to do. They end up taking fourteen Brazilian ships
during the course of their their career here and now
fourteen fourteen. Yeah, and because of the successes that they're taking,
the revolution begins to get swept up in Santakatarina, and
we've had the Republic of here Grandia Soul and then
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Sata Katarina declares independence in July of eighteen thirty nine.
They declare the Juliana Republica for the Yeah, so they're
Juliana Hippublika because it was created in July and oh
like the.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
July Republic Yeah yeah, got it, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And so now the revolution spreading like you said, and
Anita and Giuseppe are fighting in battles on the ground.
Their military is mostly is mostly foot soldiers, but there
is cow and they they're almost always mounted because they're
the commanding they're the commanders of the unit. Giuseppe writes
about her at one point, he says, she was an
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amalgam of two elemental forces, the strength and courage of
a man and the charm and tenderness of a woman,
manifested by the daring and vigor of which she brandished
her sword, and the beautiful oval of her face that
trimmed the softness of her extraordinary eyes. So this is good.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh, dude is in love.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Dude is in love. Yeah, she's killing people with a
sword and he's just like, gut. Can you feel the
love tonight going on watching it?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah? Okay, the revolution spreading, that's bad for the Brazilian Empire.
They regroup, they watch a big attack and they drive
the rebels out of Santa Catardina. There's fighting, Anita and
Giuseppe air fighting guerrilla fights, but they're outnumbered pretty badly.
They get pushed out of Santa Katarina. They have one
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more kind of big attempt to kind of reassert the revolution,
and it's it happens in eighteen forty. The Garibaldi's are
part of a much larger revolution.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So then you say, the Garibaldi's are they married at
this point or she's still married.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, so she's still married the other guy. They are not.
They're a couple, but they're not. They will be married,
but they are not yet.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So they're like Genita or Anna Seppi or Okay, Okay,
so they're very much a couple. They're very much an item.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yes, So I mean, for instance, at the Battle of
the Kudi Chibanos in eighteen forty, she is pregnant, so
they're they're an item.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Okay, Yeah, And so she's pregnant, so she's dealing with
that on top of all the other like soldiering stuff,
riding into battle, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Just hiking, camping, sleeping outside, living in a tent right
and staying active, very little food, very little water. You're
on the run from the from the empire because you
can't really fight them head on. But eventually there assembles
a large force of revolutionaries and they're going to have
this kind of climactic battle against the Empire at the
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Battle of Kudichibanos and kudi Chiba. Yeah, and kudi Chiba
is the town that my family's from, so that's the
city that my in laws are all from. So it's
like right there. There's this huge battle in eighteen forty
and Anita Hibertro is fighting and she's pregnant. She's in
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the unit with Jioseppa Garibaldi. But there's a lot of
confusion in combat, and there's a cavalry charge and at
some point in the charge she is not from her horse, and.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
She's captured, not from her horse, while pregnant.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yes, I don't know how pregnant. I'm not entirely sure
how far.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Okay, but like the steaks, like on multiple fronts, the
stakes are high.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes she is, Yeah, the pregnant consort of the enemy
cavalry commander. But she's captured and the Imperial soldiers have
her and they bring her back.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
To their can Oh wow, and these are the guys
she was hoping to defeat.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yes, so she's a prisoner. She's a prisoner of the enemy.
She's a prisoner of war of the enemy. She's not wounded,
but she is she is captured. Yeah, and they tell
her that just Epi Garibaldi is dead. He was killed
in action.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
They tell her. Yes, Okay, now you say they tell her,
and okay, so I know that sometimes when I watch
a show and one of the characters is reported dead,
I like to think. I'm a sophisticated TV viewer and
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I'm like, okay, do we have proof that that character
is dead.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
If you're a sophisticated TV er, you'll know that you
can watch that character be horribly mutilated and die and
that still doesn't mean they're not coming back. Yeah the
type of show, Yeah, yeah, yeah, ever really dead?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Now, this is Anita, So she lived before the invention
of television, so she was not provy to these conventions.
So okay, so these people who are like torturing her
and just being.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
They didn't torture her, so.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
This is like emotionally they were trying.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
This is Brazil, this is this is Brazilian prisoner of war.
So she was kind of she was like, this is
kind of max brazil prisoner of war. She was sitting
at the campfire with these guys and they were like drinking.
She's not in like a like a GMO. She's like
sitting there on the log with these guys and they're
drinking after the after the battle, talking about the battle,
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and then they're like, oh, yeah, sorry. I think she's
trying to.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Figure out, like, Okay, do I like play long to
be polite? Do I take a swig from a bottle
or you know?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah? Well she doesn't. She doesn't believe it right because
she thinks that there would have been a bigger news
or bigger deal if he had been killed. It would
have they would have paraded him around or something. It
would have been something, something bigger than him just.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Being like I think he's feels pretty savvy.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah. But what she says to them is, hey, do
I'm gonna do you mind if I go look? Do
you if I go check the battlefield see if I
can find him. If I can find him, I'd like
to bury him. And these guys are like, yeah, sure, whatever.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I think he can't argue with that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
So they let her go walk the battlefield to find him,
and she walks around a little bit and she doesn't
find him. I'm sure somebody's watching her while she's doing this.
They don't just let her off to go, but they
take her around and she doesn't see him, and they're like, well,
I don't know what happened, but like he's dead, that's
what we heard. And then they come back to the
camp and she's like, no, I don't think he's dead.
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So what does she do. She's in their camp, she's
not tied up, she's not bound, but she is kind
of in this tent.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
With guards and people watching her.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
There is a there's a strong implication that you were
expected to stay here.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, with pointy objects or firearms to back this up.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yes, we will probably shoot at you if you run away,
but we're not gonna tie you to a post or something,
put you in a cage or whatever. Pat do you
think Anita Garibaldi or Anita Hibero is the kind of
person that would sit in her tent and wait to
hear back whether her husband's dead or not. She doesn't
think he is.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I don't think Anita Hrberto is going to just sit around.
I think, okay, if she sits around, it's to give
herself a few seconds to think up a plan, and
the plan would involve getting out of there looking for Giuseppe.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yep. Yeah, she jumps on a horse. She steals a
horse from the guys, takes off running into the night
on horseback, and she gets a solid one hundred meters
or so before they start shooting at her. Okay, and
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we are going to take a very quick commercial break
and finish this story. But we're going to leave it
here for right now, where Anita Hibero freedom fighter, eighteen
year old freedom fighter, a veteran of multiple battles, is
galloping off into the night with Brazilian soldiers, Imperial soldiers
shooting at her and raising an alarm and riding for
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their horses. We will be right back after this ride.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Anita ride.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Okay, welcome back. So Anita Garibaldi or Anita Hibberto. At
this point, she is on horseback, she is riding. She's
not severely injured, but she has survived this battle. She
did fall off her horse. She's riding and the Imperial
soldiers are shooting at her. There's bullets whipping past her head.
She doesn't really know where she is or where she's going,
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but she's just trying to get away from her captors
so that she she can regroup with the rebels, find
just at Bagheribaldi and get away from these guys.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
So and also she's pregnant, right.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
She's pregnant. Yeah, that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
So that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, yeah, adds a degree of difficulty the At first
she gets a pretty good distance, but then the Brazilian
army gets on their horses and they start pursuing her
on horseback, and they're still shooting at her. And at
one point she's riding. She's riding and there's a gunshot
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and the horse underneath her starts to go limp. It's
been hit, and the horse goes down and dumps her
off at a at a full gallop. She hits the deck.
She's hurt, but she can still move. So she pulls
herself out from under the horse and she starts running
and the Brazilian the Imperial troops are closing on her.
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It's dark, it's nighttime. They're closing on her, and she's
looking for anything she can do. She runs. She hears
the sounds of running water and it's a river nearby,
a big river, like fast moving waters.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
And so you can't just wait across it.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
You can't wait across it. So she runs and the
Brazilian troops are closing on her. Rapidly. There's nowhere else
to go. She jumps in the river and starts swimming.
The Brazilian troops like they get off. I don't know
if they didn't have bullets in their guns or if
they shot at her or not, but this is kind
of one of these slow reloading like a musket or
like a rifle musket kind of deal, and it would
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have taken them a long time to reload if they
even had a bullet still in the thing. So maybe
they shoot at her, maybe they don't. But either way,
this is a fast moving river and she's getting pulled
downstream very rapidly. These guys are looking around, there's nowhere
to go, Like, they can't follow the river because there's
too much forest around, and they just decide, you know what,
she's not going to make that pregnant lady, you know,
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not where to come for her? Current fell off a
horse right like this is this is it?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Except she doesn't die. She gets the other side. Yes,
Anita Himar, she doesn't die. She gets the other side
of the river. And she spends the next four days
on foot wandering through the forest looking for help. Oh wow, yeah,
four days, no food, no water, no, nothing, trying to
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scavenge for everything. She eventually, at the end of those
four days, comes across a farmhouse where people are people there.
They take her in, they help her, and they get
her in contact with the resistance. And turns out she
said that Garibaldi is still alive, and he's there and
he's very very happy to see her.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Ahha, So her instinct or her excuse was valid.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yes, yeah, he's there and he's alive and they're back
together again. So Anita is reunited with Giuseppe Garibaldi. He
is alive and now she is too. She suffered greatly
wandering through the forest for four days. She was shot at,
she survived the battle. He probably thought she was dead
in battle, right if he didn't, if you didn't see
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her again. But she's back there and she lives and
the baby survives also. So a few months after this escape,
she gives birth to Domenico Minatti Garibaldi. Okay, great happiness, right.
She and Giuseppe are in a little house together, a
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little resistance house. She's been put up there. She has
this baby. They're staying there for the first couple of
weeks to until the baby's a little bit older where
they can they can move him. Well. While they're staying
at this house, somehow the Empire gets word that they're there.
And when Minotti is twelve days old, less than two weeks,
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there is a word. There is a call from the
tree line and it is imperial forces. The Brazilian Empire
is here. They have found the Garibaldi's. They have surrounded
the house. It's Anita. It's twelve day old baby boy,
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and it's Giuseppi and they're surrounded. They're surrounded. She just
gave birth twelve days ago. This pet is the story
of the statue that you saw in Rome. Yeah, with
the baby in one hand and the gun and the other.
And this is the story that we are going to
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have to tell in part two of this episode. Please
stay tuned, Please tune back in because this is a
This is going to be a fun escape.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
You want to find out what happens.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Thanks so much for listening, and we will see you
on the next one.
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High five Content. January eighteen forty, Anita Garibaldi, soldier, freedom
fighter separatist gorilla leader, is riding hard wounded in battle.
During the fighting at Kurtchibano's, she was captured by the enemy,
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but has managed to escape her captors, steal a horse
and take off into the night. Galloping away as Imperial
troops fire at her with their muskets. She hurtles through
unfamiliar forests in the dark of night, yet does not
slow her pace. She is nineteen years old in the
early stages of pregnancy. She received word that her lover,
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Gorilla leader Giuseppe Garibaldi, was killed in action, yet she
refuses to believe it. She didn't see his body among
the piles of dead on the field. He must be alive,
and if he lives, so too. As the resistance more
shots ring out. A group of Imperial horsemen are pursuing her,
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determined to bring the rebel leader back dead or alive.
One of their bullets hits home, striking Anita Garibaldi's horse.
It cries out and collapses, pitching her forward into the mud.
She scrambles to her feet, pulling herself from under the
wounded animal. The enemy horsemen are closing in quickly. She
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runs and then she hears the sound of running water.
It's a large river ahead in the darkness. It's moving
quickly in an unknown direction, with rocks jutting up above
the surface. The horsemen get closer. It's now or never.
Anita Garibaldi dives into the water. Hello and welcome back
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to Badass of the Week. Is Ben Thompson and I
am here as always with my co host, doctor Pat Larish. Pat,
thanks for coming back. I'm still here. Yeah. How are
you doing doing okay?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay. I just completed a
really big project, so I'm finally getting a little bit
of free time, which is really nice. I've got one
more little thing and then I'm kind of in the clear,
and that's going to feel pretty good. I'm going to
take tomorrow off to celebrate. That's my exciting thing for
the week. Take Friday off, go to a hockey game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah. Well, we have been doing the show for a
while and I had mentioned to you that I really
wanted to do a Brazilian Badass because you know, we've
been I spend a lot of time down there, and
I have been getting a lot of exposure to Brazilian history.
(02:55):
My wife's cousin, Gustavo, has kind of, you know, he's
been my liaison for badass Brazilian history. He's done a
very good job of sending me all manner of badass
things from Brazilian history and old movies, books, stuff like that.
There's a lot of really cool stuff there. Yeah. So
I'd been wanting to do a Brazilian for the show,
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and you kind of had an idea when I said that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, so we're talking about Brazilian badasses. But the spark
for my suggestion was actually in Rome, as in Rome, Italy.
So one of the times I was in Rome, I
was walking around on the Jennicolo Hill, which is one
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of the many hills of Rome. I see the statue
of a woman on a horse and the horse is
rearing up and it's very dramatic. It's very well sculpted,
and one arm is raised wielding a pistol. Her other
arm is clasping her infant child to her chest. Who
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is this, Well, I look closer and it's Anita Garibaldi,
and there are freezes around the pedestal, little sculptural elements
telling various episodes of her life. And she's buried in Rome.
But she was a freedom fighter in Brazil and her
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story is just fascinating on a personal level. On a
political level, the statue is actually pretty inspiring. It's pretty dynamic.
It was appropriated as fascist propaganda, but lots of things were,
so we're not gonna worry about that too much. So, yeah,
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so I wanted to learn more about her, and when
you suggested a Brazilian badass, this seemed like a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, And so she's a huge hero in Brazil, especially
in the south, in the southern part of the country,
which is actually where my family's from. Gustavo is from
the same state as her, and my in laws live
a couple of states north, so so yeah, so she's
a big hero. There's streets and plazas and universities, and
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there's even a couple of cities named after her. There's
all kinds of patriotic Brazilian art of her doing things
like riding on horses and shooting guns and holding flags
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And in Italy, you have a lot of things
named after Garibaldi, but those tend to be named after
Giuseppe Garibaldi, who is her husband.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Right, He's like the greatest hero of all of in
Italian modern Italian history, right.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, he led the reunification.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
But she was there for a lot of that. Yeah,
she was worth mentioning, right because she wasn't there for
all of it, but she's there for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, and it's nice to hear that she's getting credit
for it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah. Absolutely. So, Well, let's get into the story and
let's find out who this woman on the horse with
the gun and the baby is. We're going to talk
about Anita Garibaldi, but first we're going to take a
really short commercial break for a word from our sponsors.
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when we get back. I am not afraid of living,
of running after my dreams. I'm only afraid of standing still.
We are going to talk now about Anita Garibaldi.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
It sounds like a motivational quote right there.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, it is in certain parts of Brazil, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, Like do you get it on like posters or
coffee mugs.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Or yeah, I imagine yeah. Yeah, there's the one statue
of her in Rome, but there's one per square mile
in Brazil. Yeah, at least, like I said, at least
in the south, because that's kind of where she was.
She was a hero. So, uh pat, I am gonna
I'm going to assume limited understanding of Brazilian geography and
(07:12):
history as I go through this, and so I will
kind of explain the backstory a little bit because I
think people are going.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
To look at Yeah, they're.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Going to look up Anita Garibaldi and they're going to
see that she was in the Ragamuffin War and they're
going to be like, what is.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This Charles Dickens. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, so yes, give
us context.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Okay, So the Furthest southern state in Brazil is called
hugraj Seoul means the big river in the south. It's
the Furthest state south in Brazil. It borders Uruguay and Argentina.
And the people from this area are a little different
than the people from the rest of Brazil. They are
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they call themselves gauchows. It's kind of think like what
we think about when we think about cowboys in the
Old West, right.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, So these are cowboys of South America.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah. Yeah. They dress in these ponchos with the big hats.
They have these kind of fringe like shirts with fringe
on them, like you'd see in the Old West, and
they have that whole vibe of their horsemen and their
cattle ranchers. They are independent people. They live. You know,
there's some mountains down there, but there's also some herding
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lands and it's a kind of a different vibe from
when you think about northern Brazil. It's a totally different,
totally different setup. It's not cowboys down there or up there. Okay,
So in the time period we're talking about right now
is eighteen twenty four. That's kind of when things are
gonna when this story is going to begin. Now, at
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this point in time, there is a Constitution of Brazil
that says Brazil is a federation of states. But there's
an Emperor of Brazil.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh, Brazil had an empire.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Still had two emperors. They're both named Pedro, and in
eighteen twenty four, we're on Pedro the second. There's a
whole thing with this that is interesting, but it's just
going to derail our conversation. So we're just going to
save that right now, you.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Can google it on your own time. Yes, yeah, Well.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
In eighteen twenty four, Pedro the Second is the emperor
of Brazil and for a place like Heograndridasool, which is
so different from the rest of Brazil. They're not that
interested in a federated empire, right, They kind of they
liked each state having a little bit of its own autonomy.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, they'd rather be left alone to do their thing and.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You know, live and let live exactly. And there's some
interference going on with Pedro the Second. Pedro the Second
is not like a He's provides some stability, but the
government is having a hard time, so he's not. The
people of hero Grands will think that maybe he's not
doing enough to take care of them, and these kind
of seeds of revolution begin, like separatism begin in the state. Hey,
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we're from for everybody else, you know, we're not. We're
actually like there's a lot of similarities between the gauchos
of southern Brazil and the gauchos of Argentina and Uruguay,
and so they feel a little bit more kinship with
them than they do with Emperor Don Pedro and Heo Dejianio.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Right, yeah, and Brazil is just this abstract concept for
a lot of the people.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I would imagine, yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
They were they were they were still Portugal not that
long ago. And so you know, they call it the
Ragamuffin War, which is really just a silly kind of
sounding name.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is this a translation of some Brazilian Portuguese.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Term it is? Yeah, so in Brazil it's called the
Heavulu song of Fuddopelia. Fuddopelia is like rags like like
like like like a piece of clothing that has been
ripped to shreds.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Is the sort of thing that a ragamuffin would wear.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Right, yeah, rags y, Yeah, it's a it was a
word that was originally come up with to make fun
of these gouch because they have the fringe on their thing.
They dressed kind of rat you know, they're they're they're
not finally dressed like you'd see in Sal Paulo or
Hero Dejaneiro.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Okay, yeah, I mean I just want to say, crafting
a poncho, Weaving a poncho probably takes a lot of skills.
So let's like it seems like this is an opportunistic insult.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yes, yeah, and it's one that the people of this
region kind of got around, like they started calling themselves
for ope leave because they because they didn't they liked it.
They were like, yeah, well whatever, we're like, we're the
scroungey guys, and you know, yeah exactly. Yeah, they called
the Federalists they called them kada muru or they called
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them camels sometimes, and that was like a yeah, kind
of muru was a word they used to make fun
of them for being too European, you're basically Portuguese, like
we're the real Brazilians, you guys, are these uptight, centralized whatever.
So they would make fun of each other with these
with these words.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Okay, so we're just like shouting insults at one another
and the Fedapos are appropriating it, claiming it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah exactly, exactly, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Which seems like it's vibing with the general ethos that
you've been describing.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, exactly. And so that's the those are the kind
of the battle lines here. And you know, while they
call it the ragamuffin War, it's really it's a beef
jerky war.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, okay, so we went from ragamuffin too beef jerky
in sixty seconds.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
It's kind of the beef jerky war. Because here's the
deal is that these these gaut shows, they make it.
They make a lot of jerky, a lot of leather
products down there. The word for jerky in Portuguese they
call it sharky, which is where jerky, the word jerky
comes from.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I always wondered that.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, and yeah, and you know, while we're all supposed
to be this centralized empire, the government which at the
time was in uh was in Hio de Gianeiro like
they were. They had these really low taxes on imported
Argentinian and Uruguayan beef, jerkey and leather products, and so
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because it was a little bit cheaper to buy buy
from Argentina, people were buying there. And now all these
farmers and all of these cattle guys and these ranch
hands in Fiogartia to school, they can't make a living
because they can't sell their stuff. They're selling it as
cheaply as they can. But the Argentina ins, well no,
and they're like, well, why are we even doing here? Then,
Like why you're imposing your stuff on us and you're
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not helping us at all. So we're just gonna you know,
there's some grumblings for let's separate, right, Let's just we'll
do our own thing. We'll break apart. Maybe we'll be
allies with the Uruguayan and Argentina and we can all
do our thing.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, Okay, So that's where they're coming from.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, So Emperor don Pedro he doesn't like that, and
he puts the governor in charge in Fiogarida to Sool.
That just starts like he's starting to like search out
who is a separatist and who's not. He's starting to
compile a list.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, because yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
The separatists are like, okay, well you know this is
our chance. Like are like the guy who ends up
being the separatist leader, Like his name gets mentioned in
a speech by the new governor of Pregardjstool, and that
guy's like, okay, well we can either act now or
we're all going to go to jail anyway. So okay,
they decided to act. They get a group of maybe
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around one hundred people, only about thirty of them are
like armed and on horseback. On September nineteenth, eighteen thirty five,
when there is a there's a battle outside, and it's
a small battle. It's a little skirmish outside of Portoilegree,
which is the capital of the state. And so there's
this battle on this bridge. There's some loyalist guys there.
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There's some gauchos there. They're yelling, they're they're you know,
the loyalists are coming after the gauchos. The gout. They're
trying to fight back. Gunshots come out and people start shooting.
People start attacking with bayonets and spears. They're using spears here.
It's eighteen thirty six, but there's a there's a spear.
The commander of the loyalist force is wounded by a
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spear and two of his men are killed. And when
the commander of the loyalist force is stabbed with the spear,
he drops his gun, takes off his helmet, throws it
on the ground, falls off his horse, gets up and
just runs away screaming wow. And so all of his
men lose their nerve and they leave too. So this
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is and they run away.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, so they psych themselves out. I mean, okay, getting
a spear piercing yourself is going to be bad from.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Morale, but dropping your helmet and all of your weapons
and running away it is a bad look for it.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
It's a bad look. On the other hand, maybe it's like, Okay,
we're going to cut our losses and get out of here.
I don't know whatever. Anyway, so loyalists have experienced non successfulness.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, it's a very small engagement. There's thirty people on
each side, but the loyalists run. And this is kind
of I mean a picture like a Lexington and Concord
kind of situation where there weren't a lot of people
out on that battlefield, but like it was important. And
the Gauchos move into Porto Alegra and they take the
city on September twentieth, eighteen thirty five. September twentieth is
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still a state holiday in Heirograng's school. I bet yeah,
and the state declares independence. A year later, the Empire
is trying to send troops to counterattack and to retake
the province, but it's it's far away. It's all the
way on the southern tip of the tip of the
country in place, and the governments and kind of disarray,
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which is part of the reason why these guys want
to separate in the first place, they're trying to break apart,
and because the government can't take care of them, and
then when they do break apart, the government's struggling to
do anything about it. Yeah, so this begins the gehead
to those Fahapos, the heavl Song Fahopelia, the Ragamuffin War,
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in Ragamuffin War, the beef Jerky War.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Beefery War.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yes, it will last for ten years and leave three
thousand people dead.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Wow, Yes, Okay, But.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
It's kind of this romantic time period in Brazilian history
because we're at the height of you know, we're in
the eighteen hundreds. It's kind of this romantic time period
for literature and art, and this is kind of a
time period that like how we view the Old West, Right,
we view the Old West as kind of these romantic ideas,
when in reality it was a bunch of you know,
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smelly guys shooting each other.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Right, So both of these things can be true. There
is this really gritty side that ended badly for some people.
And also you have other people writing literature achieving achievement. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of Brazilian literature that is kind
of written around this time too, and not to mention
that like it's contemporary with people like Victor Hugo. Right,
so there's a lot of literature around this time, and
we're going to get into how some of that comes
into being. Yes, so okay, So now we've got the
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beef Jerky war is in effect, is in full effect,
and this revolution it's starting to spread, and it's starting
to spread north to the next state north, which is
called Santa Catarina. And this is the problem for the emperor.
We don't want this revolution spreading, but it is spreading
because Santa Catarina is also in the south. They have gauchos,
they are a little bit more they If we have
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to pick sides, I think we're gonna pick here. Ground
you to school. And one of the people living in
Santa Katarina is Anita Maria Jesus Hiberro. This is our Anita.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Garibaldi, Anita Maria jesusber So. And can we call her
Anita for short?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yes, okay. Anita was born August thirtieth, eighteen twenty one.
So as this rebellion is spreading to her hometown, she's
a teenager.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Prime risk taking phase of one's life.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yes, exactly. She lost her father a long time ago.
Her mother is suffering from depression, probably because of that,
and Anita is but that puts her in a position
where she needs to be a little bit more adult.
She needs to kind of take charge of things. So
she's a horseback rider, she's a gaucho. She can shoot,
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she can ride, she can drive cattle, she can work
the farm, she can do all the cowgirl stuff. She's
I'm getting like Annie Oakley vibes when I think about yeah,
you know, even down to the like troubled childhood. She's
from a town. Well, there's some debate on what town
she's from. A lot of towns nearby like to claim her.
But I'm gonna call I'm gonna go with a Tubo,
(20:00):
which means Shark, but it's close to the coast in uh,
she's shut down.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm from the town of Shark. Yes, okay, awesome, Yes, okay.
So this is Anita and she has badass vibes.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
She has badass vibes. She's like a badass, like high
energy eighteen year old. And when word of this revolution
starting to show up and she's like she's in she
thinks it's awesome, super on board. This is excitement, right,
Like this is good, Like this is going to be
an opportunity for some excitement. So Luke Sky her.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Purpose in life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not just
random risk taking. This is risk taking in accordance with
some ideals.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, right, exactly, And so she wants to be a
part of this and she gets a very good opportunity
to be right in the middle of it. In eighteen
thirty six, that is the year that Giuseppe Garibaldi arrives
in town. And Jesaipa Gharrabaldi we've talked about him in
the open. He is, he's a big deal patent.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay. So he's made his way across the Atlantic Ocean,
which in and of itself is kind of a big
deal because you know.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
In eighteen thirty four that was not like a guarantee
that you would make it all the way to the
other side of the ocean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, you don't just hop on a plane and get
disappointing in flight meals.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yes, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
So yeah, so this guy shows up and so Joseppe
Garibaldi tells about him.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
So, Jiseppe Garibaldi, he was born in a town called Nice,
which is in present day France. But at the time,
in eighteen oh seven when he was born, it was
French and Italian. They were kind of going back and forth.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So he is European history.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Right, exactly. He's of Genoan descent. I guess, okay, but
this is a time and it's easy to think of
Italy as being a country, right. It was a country
during the Roman Empire, and it is a country now.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
But yeah, and geographically it's a peninsula with a very
distinct to shape it's boot, you know. But but at
this time, yeah, Italy was just a geographical term. It
was not a political thing. You've got Genoa, You've got Sicily,
which is actually not entirely unified. You've got Florence, You've
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got Sardinia, you've got the Papal States, you've got Naples,
you've got Venice, you've got Tuscany, you've got Lombardy. YadA, YadA, YadA, yes,
and so Italy it's like it's it's just this whole.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
It's just a mess of states, kind of like Germany
was like that too, right, just just a bunch of
different and they all have they have different languages, like
the Venetians had total everl language. They to speak like
Italian as we know it, right.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, Like I was told by UH, an Italian
tour director of a trip that I took some students
on that the reason okay, so this one of the
stereotypes of Italians is that they use hand gestures a
lot when they speak. Our tour director said that his
explanation was that, well, historically, you have so many different
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cultures in Italy, and politically Italy was divided for so long,
and you have so many different dialects that you have
to use the hand gestures to communicate because the words
might not match up.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know. That's really interesting, Yeah, because I mean even
if they were speaking Italian, even if a couple of
these states were speaking Italian, or too.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Many different things in different places, but.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah, yeah, you have these dialects, these accents that were
so strong you couldn't understand you other dialect is almost
a different language, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes, so yeah, anyway, so you've got all of these
different subcultures, all these different nations, all these different city states, and.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
And yeah, so Garret Baldi was not he was Garabaldi
is an interesting character. We could do a whole thing
on him, but totally yeah, but we're gonna focus on
him as he relates to Anita for this story. What
he wanted to do was unify Italy under one banner.
It was all these different little and he was hoping
(24:01):
to recreate an Italian state for the people of Italy.
He gets involved in some revolutionary movements that are trying
to do that. In eighteen thirty four, he participates in
a mutiny to overthrow the government of Piedmont, which is
in the north of Italy, right, and he wants to
overthrow the government of Piedmont was to create an Italian government.
(24:24):
That doesn't work for Austria, who shares a border with Piedmont.
And you know, the last time we had a unified
last time we had a unified Italy, we had the
Roman Empire. And neither France, nor Austria, Australi, Hungarian Empire,
none of these guys in Germans. Nobody really wants Italy
to be a unified dominant power in Europe, so is
(24:47):
in their best interest to keep Italy down, which is
what Austria does. They attack this revolution in Piedmont. Garibaldi
and his guys lose. Garibaldi is personally sentenced to death
in absentia by Austria. So he runs away.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay, yeah, I don't blame him.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, you got two options to get hanged or flee
to Tunisia, which is what he does. He runs to Carthage.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, goes to Tunisia, which is the part of North
Africa that's geographically closest to Italy, so it's a convenient
place to flee to. And also, Ben you said, Carthage,
which is in Roman Empire terms, the historical symbolic enemy
of Rome. So I don't know. He gets points for style.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yes, so he leaves. He goes. In eighteen thirty six,
he sails across the Atlantic to Rio dei Gianeiro and
he's kind of just looking for something different. He had
been a ship captain before, so he's a good sailor.
He gets on the ship, he goes to Rio, and
when he's in Rio, he starts reading about this revolution
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in the south of the country, these fret Opilia's, the gauchos,
and Garibaldi is the kind of guy who like this
sounds awesome, yeslution, We're gonna overthrow the empire where these
these are freedom fighters looking to like battle this tyrannical
government to create their own culture. Like I'm in I'm
super down. So he goes out of his way to
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find some of the guys, some people who are involved
with the revolution. Rio's a big place, it's one of
the capital of Brazils. There's an opportunity to find people
there who maybe can help you. And he does eventually
end up meeting the leader of the revolution and he's like, hey,
I'm formidably, I'm a ship captain. Like, how can I help?
I'm a revolutionary, I want to fight.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I have a resume. Yes, check out my LinkedIn profile exactly.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Have have participated in a mutiny in Piedmont, have fought
the Austrian army? Do you need help with the Brazilians?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
He's got bullet points actually maybe literally bullet points.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yes, so so Josepi Garibaldi gets a letter of mark
to serve as a corsair, like a like a private mark.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Is that like an official thing?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah? So, okay, a letter of mark. Usually will see
this in reference to like the Pirates of the seventeen hundreds,
the Pirates of the Caribbean kind of thing. For instance,
like if you were a private ship captain and you
were British, you could go you could get a letter
of mark from the British government that said it's okay
if you want to like plunder and raid French shipping,
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because we're at war with them, so you're kind of
like a government sponsored pirate. So the letter he got
here was like, you can attack imperial shipping and we
won't and that's okay, Like you're allowed to, you're but
you can't because we're at war with them. If situation changes,
they can pull the letter of mark. It's a conditional thing,
like if you attack our stuff, you're gonna go to
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you know, we're gonna hunt you down. If you attack
somebody that we're not at war with and accidentally put
us in a war with somebody else, we're gonna hunt
you down.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Okay. But it's like a stress valve, like a release valve.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Are plundering out, Okay, you can under here's a list
of folks you can plunder.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah. Yeah, you like a mercenary, but they're not going
to pay. You can plunder. You do whatever you want
to be.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, but if you're plundering, presumably you're going to get
something out of the deal anyway, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, but we're not. Yeah, you're pirrating for us. Okay, yeah. Cool.
So he gets this letter of mark that's great. Here's
the problem with the Gauchows. They don't have a port,
they don't have access to the sea, they don't have
any big cities, they don't have any shipbuilding facilities.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Okay, so his maritime resume is irrelevant.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yes, he can now he now has a letter where
he can raid Brazilian shipping, but he doesn't. He has
no boats and he has no access to water. He
heads south to Regretss. He catches a boat down there,
and he goes out into the countryside of the state
and he starts recruiting people to help him. And what
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he ends up doing is building two boats on land,
like in like farmland. He builds two ships like.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Way in the middle of the continent. Yes, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, he's like shipbuilding people out there because he has
no access to the water. All the entire coast is
owned by the by the empire. So he builds an
eighteen ton warship and a fourteen ton warship and he
puts them on wheels and they're dragged by two hundred
os in to the sea, so he can put them
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in the ocean and hire it with them.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Okay, let's just stop for a moment and visualize this.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah, so they reenact this in Brazil, like you'll see
like in parades and stuff like yeah. Yeah, and he'll
go to school for the for the the anniversary of
this kind of stuff. Like they'll i mean, they're little boats,
but like they'll they'll build boats and put them on
wheels and guys. Garibaldi famously always dressed his guys in
red shirts. It was the story is that it was
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cheaper to buy red shirts.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Then.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I heard a.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Story that it was like leftovers from some butcher's shops
or something.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. Yeah, butchers in the time period wore red shirts
because of the blood.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Uh it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, And so but there was like a bunch of
they had a bunch of red shirts laying around, and
he was like, I'll just dress all my guys in that.
And so you'll always see Garibaldi and his guys in
red shirts. But guys, and we'll wear that, and they'll
they'll drag you know, they'll they'll strap a regular size
rowboat to two horses and they'll drag it down the
street for a parade and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Okay, so the two horses are representing like two hundred
docks in.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, one horse. These are big boats, Like this is
like like a pirate ship, right, this is not a
small Yes, there are paintings of this. It's crazy looking.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yeah. Yeah, Like this is not like a kayak that
you can portage with one or two people. This is yeah, this.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Is build a thing like like the Trojan horse kind
of style, right to build wheels for us.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Okay, so they're slefting this over land and this is
that is not immediately approximate to the seashore.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Right, because because the empire owns the seashore, and if
they see you building this thing off the cost, they're
gonna come get you. Right, Like, you got to build
it far enough away that they don't know what you're doing.
You got to build it in secret, drag it out there, stick,
get in the water, and then start attacking people.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah like oh yeah, this is just like an educational
project for like our middle school students. No, no, just
we're doing it's huge. Okay, So it's like what what
did you say, eighteen.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Tons, eighteen tons and fourteen tons like with crews of
like dozens of people, right, Like that's the size of
this ship, like a pirate ship. Like it's it's a warship.
And so he builds these two ships and he drags
them across Satakatarina to the town of Laguna and he
arrives there on July twenty second, eighteen thirty nine. He
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gets to the shore, he's got the boats. He's trying
to find a spot to put the boats in the water.
And he's up on this hill and he's got this
spyglass like like you'd see on a pirate boat or something.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, yeah, like yeah, So he's telescoping it out. He's
surveying the horizon.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yes, scopes out the horizon, he scopes out the bay,
scopes out where if there's an enemy enemy around, if
there's any enemy ships in the harbor, where would I
put mine in where they don't we'll like you know.
And so he's looking around and the story goes that
as he's scouting out the city, he sees a girl
walking around town.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Wait, okay, so he's just like, let's linger on the
visuals here we've got this round lens and did they
I don't know if they had the crosshairs in those days,
but let's imagine it. And he's just like, hey, she's exactly.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That's exactly what happened. He's Italian man, this is how
they were.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, like this is this is like peak cliche.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yes, you would roll your eyes if you saw this
in a in a movie. But like I'm picturing it
like like a cartoon, like you know, and the cartoons
were like you go past it and you're like go
back and then like the eyes like pop out the
far side of the telescope. That's kind of the visual
I have of this in my head. But day he's
looking around, he was looking around, he sees her. He's like, whoa,
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she's cute.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Now. Giuseppe Garibaldi was thinking strategically. He's thinking like, okay.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Boats, town defenses, guards, entry ps es, and then all.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Of a sudden, la la or whatever the Italian slash
Portuguese version is. Okay, he was not expecting this, but
apparently it happened. Okay, meet cute, or at least a
wonder a unidirectional meet cute. Yes, Oh she's interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yes, okay, what happens, and so he scouts out the
town and there's no imperial presence in the town. So
what he does is he drags his two boats up
and he puts him in the water there, and he
moves his guys in, and he's like, all right, well,
the revolution now controls this town, okay. And people come
out to meet him because this is weird. He's showing
up with these two boats. He's gonna put him in
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the water. People in Steth the cutter a Katarina, they're like,
you know, they're a little they're a little confused bout
what's going on. They're mostly sympathetic to the revolution. Here
there's no imperial guys around. Cool, great, we move in.
We'll put these boats in the water. And the people
of the town came up, and I'm going to read
a quote from Garibaldi here as he's entering the town
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with these boats. And you'll have to excuse me because
the version I'm using for this quote is Garibaldi's writings
translated by a Portuguese speaker into Portuguese, which I have
then attempted to translate back by myself. So I'm not
sure it's I'm not sure it's completely accurate, and I'm
not sure it's exactly what Garibaldi said, but I will
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do my best.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We're going on vibes here.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yes, this is a translation of a translation, but here
we go. He says. We entered, and the first person
who approached was the one I had seen through the spyglass.
It was Anita, the future mother of my children, my
life's companion, the good and happy and unhappy fortune of
my life, the woman whose courage would ignite my life.
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We stopped and stared at each other, looking at each
other as people who had seen each other in various
previous incarnations. We searched for memories of where we had
known each other. I saluted her, and I said I
must have you. I spoke very little Portuguese and articulated
the provocative words in Italian.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, he's thirty two years old. She's eighteen. But this
is normal for this, that's like pretty normal for this
time period, right and.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
In eighteen whatever? Yeah? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.
So what does she do? Does she say and walk
off in a huff?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
She doesn't fall, you know, she doesn't, I don't know,
swoon for his Italian. She says, I'm married. Uh oh, which.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Is which is a statement of fact. Yes, so she
was married.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
She had been married to a shoemaker since she was
fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So I'm gonna say, if she's eighteen and she's married, well, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
By most accounts, this was not a very This is
not like a very happy marriage either. Oh yeah, so
she of course ditches that guy, falls in love with
Jiseeppe Garibaldi, runs off to leave her hometown of like
boring living with the shoemaker. Nothing happening here. She's getting
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an opportunity to ride horses and shoot guns and fight
in a war and for a cause. Yes, help her,
help her her country be free, her people be free.
She gets a red shirt and she joins the army
of Jiuseppe Garibaldi. Okay, I want to kind of to
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kind of illustrate what she's deciding with this, so I'm
going to use a quote Fromjuseppe Garibaldi. And it's it's
interesting because when you read about her in Portuguese y,
they talk about Joseepa Garabaldi is just Garibaldi, and she's
just anita, like you know in Brazilian sports. It's like
that too, where you just go by your first name.
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They don't really.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Exactly right, his name is little Ronald. Yeah, so Joseeppa
Garibaldi is talking to later in life. He's talking to
guys who are going to follow him into war and
for the they're going to fight for Italian independence. They're
going to try to reunify. He's not done with his
dreams of unifying Italy. He's going to come back to
that later in life. He's talking to his guys. But
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I think this quote also sums up what he's asking
of Anita when she leaves her hometown to follow him
into war. He says, I offer neither pay, nor quarters,
nor food. I offer only hunger, thirst, forced march, his
battles and death. Let him who loves his country with
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his heart and not merely his lips, follow me. And
I kind of get that vibe with Anita. She could
have stayed home and had a boring life and that
would have been fun.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, But in some parallel universe.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
That is not this. Yes, exactly, she decides she's going
to go with him, and this is the kind of
guy she's going for.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
The hunger she's going to And this is the kind.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Of guy that jesset He was to write. He inspired
this kind of attitude in people. He was a real
he was a true believer in all of this. He
was very charismatic. He was very like devoted to his causes.
Like he's willing to fight and die for the independence
of this state in Brazil that he'd never heard of
like five years ago. But he's like very passionate about it.
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And that's kind of how their romances is and the
way they wrote about it and the way it is
portrayed in Brazilian telenovelas. It's very passionate.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, and if you're the subject of a Brazilian telenovela,
you know you've arrived.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
You made it.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
In with most of our European heroes, they become they
get the they get the erotic fanfic version from nineteenth century,
and for the great Brazilian heroes, they get telen novellas.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So she joins the army with him, and she she
will never leave his side again for the rest of
her life. She will fight beside him in every major
battle that they're going to participate in. She is like,
she's a frontline soldier in his army and she will
fight with him. So they take Laguna. There was no
imperial presence there. It shows up when they find out
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that the rebels are there putting boats in the water.
After the fact, yeah, exactly, they show up and they
have to they have to have a battle. So the
Battle of Imbituba Isbitua is just the other like Laguna
is the southern part of the bea in the northern
part of the beach is called eb two weather. They're
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very close to each other, and the Brazilian navy sends
warships and he has to fight them with his warships
and with cannons that he's brought over to the beach.
So now he controls the beach, so that gives him
an advantage if he can shoot from the from the
coast at the Brazilian warships. There's a battle. During the battle,
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Anita is on Garibaldi's flagship. They're fighting. At one point
there is a cannon shot that blows up a big
part of the side of the ship. There On, she
falls into a pile of three dead guys and Garibaldi's
like are you good? And she's like, no, no, I'm good.
Like you do your thing, I'll do my thing. She
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was carrying a sword, she was rallying people in the battle,
she's carrying ammunition to the cannons. And the rebels win
that battle and they drive off the Brazilian navy and
from that point on they can start building boats on
the shore and Garibaldi starts. Yeah, and so the Garibaldi
is they start building a fleet and they start raiding
shipping and doing what they had got that letter of
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mark to do. They end up taking fourteen Brazilian ships
during the course of their their career here and now
fourteen fourteen. Yeah, and because of the successes that they're taking,
the revolution begins to get swept up in Santakatarina, and
we've had the Republic of here Grandia Soul and then
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Sata Katarina declares independence in July of eighteen thirty nine.
They declare the Juliana Republica for the Yeah, so they're
Juliana Hippublika because it was created in July and oh
like the.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
July Republic Yeah yeah, got it, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And so now the revolution spreading like you said, and
Anita and Giuseppe are fighting in battles on the ground.
Their military is mostly is mostly foot soldiers, but there
is cow and they they're almost always mounted because they're
the commanding they're the commanders of the unit. Giuseppe writes
about her at one point, he says, she was an
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amalgam of two elemental forces, the strength and courage of
a man and the charm and tenderness of a woman,
manifested by the daring and vigor of which she brandished
her sword, and the beautiful oval of her face that
trimmed the softness of her extraordinary eyes. So this is good.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Oh, dude is in love.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Dude is in love. Yeah, she's killing people with a
sword and he's just like, gut. Can you feel the
love tonight going on watching it?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah? Okay, the revolution spreading, that's bad for the Brazilian Empire.
They regroup, they watch a big attack and they drive
the rebels out of Santa Catardina. There's fighting, Anita and
Giuseppe air fighting guerrilla fights, but they're outnumbered pretty badly.
They get pushed out of Santa Katarina. They have one
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more kind of big attempt to kind of reassert the revolution,
and it's it happens in eighteen forty. The Garibaldi's are
part of a much larger revolution.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So then you say, the Garibaldi's are they married at
this point or she's still married.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, so she's still married the other guy. They are not.
They're a couple, but they're not. They will be married,
but they are not yet.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
So they're like Genita or Anna Seppi or Okay, Okay,
so they're very much a couple. They're very much an item.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yes, So I mean, for instance, at the Battle of
the Kudi Chibanos in eighteen forty, she is pregnant, so
they're they're an item.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Okay, Yeah, And so she's pregnant, so she's dealing with
that on top of all the other like soldiering stuff,
riding into battle, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Just hiking, camping, sleeping outside, living in a tent right
and staying active, very little food, very little water. You're
on the run from the from the empire because you
can't really fight them head on. But eventually there assembles
a large force of revolutionaries and they're going to have
this kind of climactic battle against the Empire at the
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Battle of Kudichibanos and kudi Chiba. Yeah, and kudi Chiba
is the town that my family's from, so that's the
city that my in laws are all from. So it's
like right there. There's this huge battle in eighteen forty
and Anita Hibertro is fighting and she's pregnant. She's in
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the unit with Jioseppa Garibaldi. But there's a lot of
confusion in combat, and there's a cavalry charge and at
some point in the charge she is not from her horse, and.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
She's captured, not from her horse, while pregnant.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yes, I don't know how pregnant. I'm not entirely sure
how far.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Okay, but like the steaks, like on multiple fronts, the
stakes are high.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Yes she is, Yeah, the pregnant consort of the enemy
cavalry commander. But she's captured and the Imperial soldiers have
her and they bring her back.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
To their can Oh wow, and these are the guys
she was hoping to defeat.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yes, so she's a prisoner. She's a prisoner of the enemy.
She's a prisoner of war of the enemy. She's not wounded,
but she is she is captured. Yeah, and they tell
her that just Epi Garibaldi is dead. He was killed
in action.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
They tell her. Yes, Okay, now you say they tell her,
and okay, so I know that sometimes when I watch
a show and one of the characters is reported dead,
I like to think. I'm a sophisticated TV viewer and
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I'm like, okay, do we have proof that that character
is dead.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
If you're a sophisticated TV er, you'll know that you
can watch that character be horribly mutilated and die and
that still doesn't mean they're not coming back. Yeah the
type of show, Yeah, yeah, yeah, ever really dead?
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Now, this is Anita, So she lived before the invention
of television, so she was not provy to these conventions.
So okay, so these people who are like torturing her
and just being.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
They didn't torture her, so.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
This is like emotionally they were trying.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
This is Brazil, this is this is Brazilian prisoner of war.
So she was kind of she was like, this is
kind of max brazil prisoner of war. She was sitting
at the campfire with these guys and they were like drinking.
She's not in like a like a GMO. She's like
sitting there on the log with these guys and they're
drinking after the after the battle, talking about the battle,
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and then they're like, oh, yeah, sorry. I think she's
trying to.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Figure out, like, Okay, do I like play long to
be polite? Do I take a swig from a bottle
or you know?
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah? Well she doesn't. She doesn't believe it right because
she thinks that there would have been a bigger news
or bigger deal if he had been killed. It would
have they would have paraded him around or something. It
would have been something, something bigger than him just.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
Being like I think he's feels pretty savvy.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah. But what she says to them is, hey, do
I'm gonna do you mind if I go look? Do
you if I go check the battlefield see if I
can find him. If I can find him, I'd like
to bury him. And these guys are like, yeah, sure, whatever.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
I think he can't argue with that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
So they let her go walk the battlefield to find him,
and she walks around a little bit and she doesn't
find him. I'm sure somebody's watching her while she's doing this.
They don't just let her off to go, but they
take her around and she doesn't see him, and they're like, well,
I don't know what happened, but like he's dead, that's
what we heard. And then they come back to the
camp and she's like, no, I don't think he's dead.
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So what does she do. She's in their camp, she's
not tied up, she's not bound, but she is kind
of in this tent.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
With guards and people watching her.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
There is a there's a strong implication that you were
expected to stay here.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, with pointy objects or firearms to back this up.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yes, we will probably shoot at you if you run away,
but we're not gonna tie you to a post or something,
put you in a cage or whatever. Pat do you
think Anita Garibaldi or Anita Hibero is the kind of
person that would sit in her tent and wait to
hear back whether her husband's dead or not. She doesn't
think he is.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I don't think Anita Hrberto is going to just sit around.
I think, okay, if she sits around, it's to give
herself a few seconds to think up a plan, and
the plan would involve getting out of there looking for Giuseppe.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yep. Yeah, she jumps on a horse. She steals a
horse from the guys, takes off running into the night
on horseback, and she gets a solid one hundred meters
or so before they start shooting at her. Okay, and
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we are going to take a very quick commercial break
and finish this story. But we're going to leave it
here for right now, where Anita Hibero freedom fighter, eighteen
year old freedom fighter, a veteran of multiple battles, is
galloping off into the night with Brazilian soldiers, Imperial soldiers
shooting at her and raising an alarm and riding for
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their horses. We will be right back after this ride.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Anita ride.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
Okay, welcome back. So Anita Garibaldi or Anita Hibberto. At
this point, she is on horseback, she is riding. She's
not severely injured, but she has survived this battle. She
did fall off her horse. She's riding and the Imperial
soldiers are shooting at her. There's bullets whipping past her head.
She doesn't really know where she is or where she's going,
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but she's just trying to get away from her captors
so that she she can regroup with the rebels, find
just at Bagheribaldi and get away from these guys.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
So and also she's pregnant, right.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
She's pregnant. Yeah, that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
So that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Yeah, yeah, adds a degree of difficulty the At first
she gets a pretty good distance, but then the Brazilian
army gets on their horses and they start pursuing her
on horseback, and they're still shooting at her. And at
one point she's riding. She's riding and there's a gunshot
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and the horse underneath her starts to go limp. It's
been hit, and the horse goes down and dumps her
off at a at a full gallop. She hits the deck.
She's hurt, but she can still move. So she pulls
herself out from under the horse and she starts running
and the Brazilian the Imperial troops are closing on her.
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It's dark, it's nighttime. They're closing on her, and she's
looking for anything she can do. She runs. She hears
the sounds of running water and it's a river nearby,
a big river, like fast moving waters.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
And so you can't just wait across it.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
You can't wait across it. So she runs and the
Brazilian troops are closing on her. Rapidly. There's nowhere else
to go. She jumps in the river and starts swimming.
The Brazilian troops like they get off. I don't know
if they didn't have bullets in their guns or if
they shot at her or not, but this is kind
of one of these slow reloading like a musket or
like a rifle musket kind of deal, and it would
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have taken them a long time to reload if they
even had a bullet still in the thing. So maybe
they shoot at her, maybe they don't. But either way,
this is a fast moving river and she's getting pulled
downstream very rapidly. These guys are looking around, there's nowhere
to go, Like, they can't follow the river because there's
too much forest around, and they just decide, you know what,
she's not going to make that pregnant lady, you know,
(52:01):
not where to come for her? Current fell off a
horse right like this is this is it?
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Except she doesn't die. She gets the other side. Yes,
Anita Himar, she doesn't die. She gets the other side
of the river. And she spends the next four days
on foot wandering through the forest looking for help. Oh wow, yeah,
four days, no food, no water, no, nothing, trying to
(52:28):
scavenge for everything. She eventually, at the end of those
four days, comes across a farmhouse where people are people there.
They take her in, they help her, and they get
her in contact with the resistance. And turns out she
said that Garibaldi is still alive, and he's there and
he's very very happy to see her.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
Ahha, So her instinct or her excuse was valid.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Yes, yeah, he's there and he's alive and they're back
together again. So Anita is reunited with Giuseppe Garibaldi. He
is alive and now she is too. She suffered greatly
wandering through the forest for four days. She was shot at,
she survived the battle. He probably thought she was dead
in battle, right if he didn't, if you didn't see
(53:15):
her again. But she's back there and she lives and
the baby survives also. So a few months after this escape,
she gives birth to Domenico Minatti Garibaldi. Okay, great happiness, right.
She and Giuseppe are in a little house together, a
(53:37):
little resistance house. She's been put up there. She has
this baby. They're staying there for the first couple of
weeks to until the baby's a little bit older where
they can they can move him. Well. While they're staying
at this house, somehow the Empire gets word that they're there.
And when Minotti is twelve days old, less than two weeks,
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there is a word. There is a call from the
tree line and it is imperial forces. The Brazilian Empire
is here. They have found the Garibaldi's. They have surrounded
the house. It's Anita. It's twelve day old baby boy,
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and it's Giuseppi and they're surrounded. They're surrounded. She just
gave birth twelve days ago. This pet is the story
of the statue that you saw in Rome. Yeah, with
the baby in one hand and the gun and the other.
And this is the story that we are going to
(54:49):
have to tell in part two of this episode. Please
stay tuned, Please tune back in because this is a
This is going to be a fun escape.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
You want to find out what happens.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Thanks so much for listening, and we will see you
on the next one.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
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