November 15, 2022 • 37 mins
Jessica & Bryan sit down with the Founder and CEO of Par 4 Success, Chris Finn, to talk about golf specific physical therapy and how insubordination paved the way to his future in virtual physical therapy. Bryan gets a new belt, Jessica talks about her butthole and hits her longest drive to date.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
You're listening tolls and holes. Jessica Bauser, Brian Pascaret, Hi, baby, baby,
I missed you last week. What you and Derby? You
had your solo episode? Yeah, but you were there. I
was there, so you know how we're broken. Golfers were
totally broken. Golfers have a back issue. You have a
(00:25):
neck issue. We got this crazy email serendipitously, serendipitously that
it was from par for Success, which is a virtual
like physical therapy golf coach. Yeah, Mike, the head of
marketing over there, reached out and uh said, hey, we
should all talk and you guys should talk with our
CEO and founder, Chris Finn. And so we went back
(00:48):
and forth and we did a bunch of research and
we've got him on the show today. We've got Chris Finn,
founder and CEO of par for Success with us. Amazing. Yeah,
Hi Chris, Hey, what's going on? Guys? How are you
doing well? Doing well? I We were so interested in
in your brand and your company. Can you tell us
what is par for Success? That's a that's a great question,
(01:11):
and I think, uh, at its core, it's a it's
a company that was basically birthed out of me getting fired,
um and written up for insubordination. Um, so you know
I've I went to I went to physical therapy school.
I was a strength coach. You know, That's why I
paid my way through the school. You know, I got
out as a you know, young you know, sprite, twenty
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two year old, you know, the master's degree. I'm super smart, right,
because that's what I'm thinking to myself. Get to my
first job, you know, down in in Raleigh area, so
a C C country and at one of the university
hospitals down here, and um, you know, I thought it
was the right thing to refer a client to somebody
who could help them. Unfortunately, UNC and DUKE don't get along,
and so when you send send a client from one
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place to the other, you apparently get written up for insubordination.
So um, I basically got hold. You know, I wasn't
a good employee. I picked picked up what they were
putting down, and UM, you know just just really kind
of from that point on, decided I needed to do
my own thing. Um. My wife loved that I gave
up full health coverage, you know, insurance right before or something.
And she was six months pregnant. Um so so uh
(02:18):
so yeah, so I remember I said I thought I
was intelligent. Um but yeah, So I went out and
basically I had gotten the golf bug down here and Raleigh.
I moved from the Northeast where I played basketball, and
I was just addicted to golf and I was like, well, hey,
why don't I try to do you know what I
like doing. So you know, it's like, you know, i'd
gone to this, you know, the certification course, and I
was like, oh, cool, you can. Golfers would want to
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work out, right, And this is probably two thousand and
ten ulm whole. I don't know if you guys remember
two thousand and ten, but nobody knew what the heck
golf fitness was, um and so so I was like, yeah,
I can help you and they're like, what the hell
do you do? And I was like, oh, well, I
can help your body. They're like, I hate working on
him a golfer, right, So so that was kind of
how Parposts got started, was really me going out knocking
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on doors. I literally had rusted out Mazda three with
my table in the back of the car, driving around,
no health insurance, broke, no income, I actually took on
jobs at like nursing homes, wiping old people's butts, like
to to get paid, um, you know, to to pay
the bills at home, and um, you know really was
just trying to you know, build the business in between
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there and you know, fast forward, you know, nine nine years.
At this point, we've got a team of thirty and
it's been it's been a hell of a ride. We've
got the biggest research database in the world on physical
metrics of golfers. We can tell people how they compare
to other golfers in different areas, and um, you're really
able to give golfers, you know, the scientific keys to
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playing golf for a really long time at a at
a really high level. Chris, that was a lot. Thank you.
Um in a tagline like if someone's new to this,
to your company, like give me one slogan that would
explain your entire company, Like what exactly is it? Yeah,
it swing faster, play better, and hurt less. That's pretty good.
(04:05):
That it's pretty good. So this is you have physical therapist, chiropractors,
doctors that help golfers swing better and swing faster. Is
that what we're talking about here? Yes, we have a Yeah,
we're physical therapists trying the conditioning coaches, um. You know,
so really both medical and fitness, and we basically help
golfers on the body side, so making sure they're mobile
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enough to swing the golf club, um, and making sure
they're strong enough. UM. With all the research we've done,
it's pretty cool we have We can take a in
less than ten minutes. We can figure out exactly like
if somebody wants to pick up you know, five miles
an hour, they want to pick up ten yards, twenty yards,
it's like, hey, these are this is exactly the three
things you need to do to pick those up. Um,
So that way they can you know, do whatever it
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is you know that they're trying to do. On the
technical side, most golfers know like, oh, if I suck
at golfer should take a lesson. What most golfers don't
realize is if your hips don't move, that lesson is
going to be a total like just attempting to compensate,
and that if you can fix your body, what you
can do in four weeks And then all of a
sudden that lesson becomes really really valuable and it becomes
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way more helpful for you. So obviously you guys are
in Raleigh, but from what I understand, you see people
all over the country. So help me understand how if
somebody's not in Raleigh and they want to dig into
body mechanics, in into fixing their body mechanics, what does
that look like for coming to part for success? Yeah,
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so we send them our private jet. Um. Now, so
we have a we've got a really big virtual program
that we've actually we were working on it a bunch um,
you know, probably trying to figure out how the how
the heck is this going to work? And then COVID
hit obviously, and then all of a sudden, everybody wanted
virtual and it was kind of a blessing in disguise
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from a business perspective. Um. And so you know, basically,
we at that point had already figured out how to
assess people, you know, outside of having them stand on
you know, fifty force plates like we can do here.
You know, we can do the entire physical assessment because
of all the data we have, we know the couple
tests that we need them to do to figure out
exactly what they need in order to be successful. Um.
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So we do that with them live they have They
all have coaches, um that they work with and we
custom build everything for him. And I think the important
thing that I always found, particularly from my early days
in the business, is golfers hate working out generally speaking. Yeah,
because we're all degenerates. We'd rather drink and smoke cigars. Yeah. Um.
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So you know we were able to get people where
you know, they can get it really really you know,
faster than can get out of pain then get really good. Uh,
you know, in less than ninety minutes in a week
because we can be super targeted and what they're doing,
what was like the catalysts? Why why did you go
into this field? Was there a need, a desire? Did
you think there was a demand. Did you just want
to help people? I mean, did you have an injury?
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How did this all come up? Why do you want
to be the founder and CEO? I actually didn't. When
I started the company, told my wife, I said, the
last thing I want to do is own a gym.
I do not want to own a freaking gym. Now,
I own a big JOm. Actually we're building a really
big gym now. Um. So she reminds me of that daily.
When I started, I actually wanted to do it virtually
just because I wanted you know, I mean anyone a
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lot of people start like I wanted to make money
and I wanted to do it. I learned quickly that
I didn't like I hated working with people who didn't
want to work with me, which is what consurance based therapy,
unfortunately was. Um. I didn't want to see thirty people
in a day, right, So I was I always my
mother always, she always gave me crap in school. She said,
have you spent as much time studying as you do
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figuring out how much how little work you can do
to pass? Imagine how smart you'd be? Right? So I
think I harnessed that and to part for success. And
I was like, how can I do the least amount
possible to build something that will help a lot of
people and you know, allow me to pay my bills
and you know, my family to do what they want
to do. And um, you know that's kind of where
where honestly where it came from. I did not want
to own a gym. I want to just start a
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virtual company. Um, but in nobody wanted to do anything virtual,
So start doing so. If someone comes to you with
no body aches and pains and they just want a
golf lesson. Are you guys a golf lesson as well?
Or is it just to figure out body pains in issues? Yeah,
that's so we don't do the actual golf lessons. Um.
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You know, we what we do is we figure out
what your body can and can't do. We actually work
with um. You know, a lot of golf pros are
actually around the country in the world. UM. Basically you know,
from a from a business standpoint, but also just understanding
what we were really good at. UM. You know, if
we have if we taught lessons, you're gonna have you know,
a couple of golf pros in here that can teach
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and they can only see so many people. If you
support all of the golf pros in the country, that's
a that's a much bigger you know, a group of
golfers that you're able to help, a much bigger market
that you can reach and UM. So that's where we
do really the physical side of things. And we work
with a lot of the golf coaches out there to say, hey,
you know, are you trying to get golfer a to do?
And they say, well, I want them to hit up
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on the ball and his driver cool. Well, you know,
golfer as hips move negative, so they're never going to
do that unless they throw out their back. Um. So
that's how we're able to work with them. And so
in a situation like that, you've got a coach that
comes to that they're working with golfer a and it's
is you know, on the virtual side of things, are
they sending you video of these golfers and you're analyzing
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those videos and then coming back with what you're seeing
and what you recommend for fixing. So so it's actually
it's it's super interesting, Jessica. So they want to We'll
we'll get golf pros and a lot of our clients
will send us videos and they'll be like, hey, this
is my swing. What's wrong? Uh? The interesting thing about
the body and the golf swing is you know when
if we watched you know, say we looked at you know,
you swinging, and we see your left foot like spin
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out you know, you know at impact right, I could
say like, obviously that's not a good thing. I could say, hey,
it's because your hip potentially doesn't move well, um, you can't,
but you can't concretely say it's oh, her hip, her
foot spins out because their hips bad. It could just
be that you like reverse weight shift and shift back
to your trail agg right, but from a but when
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you see that, you can you know, on our side,
we go, oh, I wonder if it's the hip. And
that's where we have you know, four or five tests
that we can do in five minutes and we can say, oh,
your hip sucks, so yeah, that's why that's happening. Or
we could say your hips fine, you just suck a
golf we need to and that's where we need That's
where we need the golf instructor to come in. And
that's an actual like a golf instructor is gonna be
able to fix that problem. But if you have a
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bad hip, the golf instructor is going to have to
try to work around that problem. We can fix your hip,
and now the golf instructor can do what they're great at. Um.
So that's kind of the cool thing is it goes
one way, it doesn't go both ways. You can look
at a swing and say, hey, that doesn't look right.
But then this is kind of the fun part of
our job. As you know, we can do a five
minute screen. I can say, hey, does your foot spin out?
You know? Do you like do you slice it a
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lot or hook it? And how did you know that?
It's like, well, it's because your hip doesn't move, says you.
Only you only got two options. It's going one way
or the other. Um. So that's where it's kind of cool.
The getting the swing is helpful. UM. But then we
can layer on that five minute assessment and then we
can go right away. You know why it's happening or
why not? So let me get something clear when you
say fix it? Are you physically touching the customer to
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do physical therapy on them? Are you recommend what? What
what happens like if you find an issue, like, what
what do you do? Do you go do chiropractic work
on them? What? What's I'm pretty confused here, great question.
You're not understanding how we reach through the camera. It's
a touch signs. It doesn't make sense. So yeah, so
virtually what we do, UM is it's a lot of
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soft It's called soft tissue work. So if you guys
have seen like a thera gun or a phone roller
or you know, a lot of people use lacrosse balls
or softballs. So because of all the research we've done,
when we see a limitation, we can then say, oh,
that's what the issue is in you know, this muscle. Therefore,
we need to show you the technique of how you
can release it on your own, right, because technology is
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pretty cool. Maybe in the metaverse I can reach through
and like do soft tissue release on somebody, but for now,
we've got to show them how to do it, you know,
with a softball or lacrosse ball or a there a gun. Um.
Obviously if they're local, yeah, we're doing need whether it's
dry needling or putting our hands on them and doing
tissue work um that way. But virtually it's I think
that's the coolest thing that I've seen in this industry
is with the progression of technology and whatnot, Like you
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can literally teach people to like be their own therapist,
which is super cool. They your roster on your website
is like a who's who in the sports industry. You
have a lot of staff and they're all super qualified. Um,
tell me the role of of of your staff. Yeah,
I mean so their role is really just a basically
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tell me when I'm an idiot, and I'm wrong. I
joke that, you know, I just if I if I'm
gonna hire someone that they just need to be smarter
than me, which is a really low bar um. But
really that their role is anyone on like all of
our physios, you know, their role is to really look
at the health and wellness of our membership and making
sure that physically they don't have injuries or if they
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do have an injury from playing, that we can get
them back to being healthy. And we have our all
of our strength coaches. Their job is to really you know,
take you know, all the golfers that come in and
really help them figure out, you know, how do we
make them more explosive, how do we make them faster?
How do we make them more durable so they can
play more and you know, and be more consistent, hit
the ball further, and you know, obviously the goal is
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win tournaments for a lot of them. Um. But then
and then we have obviously are um our administrative staff
and and we have lots of interns and whatnot, and
their their critical role really is helping us to really
process all of the data and information you know that
that we're taking in and we were doing this week.
We do what's called test week four times a year.
Will we run a couple of hundred golfers through the
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Gamut force plates and three D and you know, and
so we get all this data and if you don't
have a team members to actually process that data, it's like, yeah,
we've got a big database, but we don't know what
the hell to do with it. Um, So it's, uh,
it's pretty cool. The other team that we have is
it's super diverse. Everyone really works well together, and um,
everyone kind of has their role of making sure that
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our service and product is as good as possible, and um,
you know. Then obviously we've got you know, a lot
of our team that talks to the golfers and give
answers questions and helps them figure out what they need
to get to where they want to go. So I'm
super interested in the data in the metrics because I
was reading about it on the stuff that makes sent over.
We're gonna take a quick break, real quick, and then
when we come back, we're going to dig into that
a little bit more. All Right, So we're back. We've
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got Chris Finn, founder and CEO of par for Success.
So we were talking about data and analytics. Do you
feel that you get more a successful um conclusion when
you're doing it in person at your your facility or
versus virtual. When we started, you know, in the early
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of I would I would answer that question, Yeah, we're
better in person than virtually. UM. Now that we have
had the data for so long, you know, one of
our you know, the big kind of mission that I
had was that I'm not going to offer anything virtually
where people are gonna pay me unless I'm a hundred
percent confident I can get them the same results as
if they came in person. And we arrived at that
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point probably twenty nineteen, just in time for covid um,
and you know, that's where you know, at this point,
and we guarantee everything we do where you know, within ten,
you know, ten weeks on average, people see ten yards
gained within those first ten weeks on average most pretty
much everybody, all of a sudden, you know, if they
didn't pass all the rotational tests, they're going to pass
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them all within generally even quicker than that six day
weeks UM. So I think that's been the really probably
one of the things I'm most proud of with anybody
who comes on and says, hey, I need help, I'm
a hundred percent sure if you can give me ninety
minutes in a week, I'm gonna, you know, we're gonna
get you to where you need to be. Walk me
through that, right, Like and I both have spine injuries
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and have both had surgeries. Right, So I worked with
my PT and still do. I still train with her,
and now we focus purely on what I can do
for golf for me, right, Um, mine was cervical neck.
Brian's was, you know, lumbar spine. I think I've paid
a bit more attention to my journey in that because
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I was, you know, having something cervical, Like my arms
didn't work, My hands didn't work, I mean, it trailed
all the way down. Brian seems to to have some
hindrance in low back. Right. But like, so let's say
we want to hop on the train, right, and so
we get in touch with you guys, walk us through
what that's gonna look like for us, right, Like, we
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reach out, here's what our issues are. How are you
going to fix us? Yeah, So, so it's gonna be
a little different for Brian, and then you know, versus you.
So for you know, for Brian, the big you know,
with the history of the low back, the number one
thing we're gonna be looking at is going to be
particularly hip, uh you know, hip and some shoulder, but
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definitely the hip area is going to be the number
one concern that we want to look at because we
know that hip limitations are the number one predictor of
back issues. Um. So you know, particularly post back issue
where we've already had gone in and had surgical intervention,
like that is the absolute number one priority that we
want to make sure is as clear as possible because
you know, when we look at back in neck with
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a lot of people don't realize that it's not that
area that you're really concerned about post surgically, it's the
area above and below that we need to make sure
it is moving as well as possible to take the
stress off of that, you know, the surgically repaired area.
So for a cervical you know, for you Jessica, like
that's where we're looking. Shoulders are going to be, you know,
incredibly important. Still worried about the hips because of the
hips don't work, then that's gonna screw things up the chain. Um,
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but in particular from a golf perspective, the neck is
generally less of of of an implication in terms of
there's not as much violent movement up there. The back,
I was called, is the friendly neighbor who always tries
to help out if the hips don't do what they
need to do with the shoulders don't, and that's why
the low back usually ends up getting screwed then like
flaring up or spassing out, eventually potentially eating surgery um.
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So that's you know, the first step we're gonna go
through is a full evaluation of We're going to look
at cervical spine. Is the number is one of the
big four rotational centers. So your neck, the upper you know,
it's called the thoracic spine. So I think from the
bottom of your neck down to your belly button right,
and then you have your hips and your shoulders. Those
are the big four rotational centers. I'm gonna be paid
way more attention to the hips, probably with brian um,
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and then I'm gonna neck and shoulders are going to
be you know, of more interest to me with you.
But we're gonna look at all of it. Jessica has
phenomenal hits. You know what they'll it's I mean to
go through this and to hear this, right. I appreciate that, darling,
thank you. But because of my injury and because I
was living with it for so long, I had overcompensated
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so badly in the rest of my body that, like
my hips were a huge problem coming out of cervical
next regery because everything was locked right, like everything was off.
So that's been one of the main things that Yvonne
and I work on is getting my hips to work
again because everything had disconnected right and it was just
doing its own thing. And that's like the biggest hallmark
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to me of a great therapist or somebody knows what
they're doing is you go in it was like the
patient like, oh my god, I just had next surgery
and they're like, your hips are screwed. You gotta and
it's it's like it's almost like you very rarely treat
that where the pain is. It's if you're truly going
to be good, you got to go to the source
of it. I got a good story for that. I
got a good story. Just last week, my neck locked
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up and I went to see my PT and she's
been doing a lot of work in public floor work.
So she went and did a bunch of testing on
me and there were a couple of spots that were
just like, oh my god. And then she like basically
went and write above my butt hole and she hit
a spot that hurts so bad and she was like,
oh my god, this is it. And we go and
we fix it and she does this release and all
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of a sudden, my neck is like zero inflammation completely,
you know. So I go, my golf coach notices, He's like,
you're moving a lot better. I was like my pet
stucker figure in my buttle and it's just like amazing. Now,
they don't teach that general anatomy that your connected to
your I thought that was common knowledge. It was amazing though,
but to your point, right, like, so you know we're
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also we're connected, right and you know, typically what I've
learned in my recovery is that if I'm hurting on
my right shoulder, it is typically something down in my
left hip right like, And it took me a really
long time to get and you know, in touch enough
with myself and and to understand these things that like
you typically where your pain is reading and that's where
you think that there's an issue and typically it's not so.
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And you know, it makes so much sense that you
have to go to different parts and and really figure out.
I mean, I don't necessarily recommend the bub hole and
just you know, for clarity, it wasn't really my body.
If it works, it works. You know, Chris, do you
have any great success stories that you know, like they
was just like someone's completely broken and you guys fixed
him and it was like an awesome story. Oh yeah,
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I mean we got a there's there's a bunch. I
mean we got actually we had a guy, um you
know right now who actually post he had post chemo
lost ability to move in his legs. Doctor told it's's
called neampathy from the chemo. Doctor told him, never gonna
walk again. Um, he's been it's been about a year
and we actually were just talking today. He's walking up
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and down. He actually part of his PTS. He comes
and he swings clubs and we're training. He's we've gotten
him up. He can swing. I think he crested close
to ninety to day without you know, it doesn't fall down. Um,
he's walking down with no, he doesn't doesn't wasn't using
his canes or anything. And he said, I said, don't,
I said, Gary said Gary, I said, you know the
good news of having those hands free. Now he goes
what I said, Now you can double bird that the
doctor when you go walk in. Why are you? Here's
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one for you. Here's the one for you. For the listeners,
he's Crispin is flipping with two features. That's that's incredible.
That's those are I'm sure you have a lot of
those stories. Um what about pros? Are you are semi pros?
Are you? Are you working on top athletes here too? Oh? Yeah, yeah.
I think some of my favorite stories with those are
particularly the we have a very big junior program we've
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been and the cool thing of being around for a
while is, you know, we have you know, probably my
favorite story is Jennifer Chang. She's on the LPGA, she's
inside top one hundred. Um you know she I knew
her since she was fourteen, little kind of pimpley, little,
you know, freshman in high school. She was a four
time state champion here, but like helping to develop her,
she went to USC. I'll buy you guys on California
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and um, you know she you know, she left after
two years to to go play pro. And we have
so many cool stories like that, um, you know, from
either you know, developing them from young you know to
the pro level. Um. But also we get so many
pro sacum in that are so screwed up that you know,
they're like they can't swing or like they just they've
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been doing so much of the wrong stuff, you know, Jessica,
we're just talking about they have they've had elbow paying
for years and like, what have you done well all
the they all on the on the rock. They just
treat my elbow, treat my elbow, and you're like, well,
your hip doesn't move, so you're having to overuse the
elbow to make up for the lack of rotation. They're like,
do an I wone ever tell you that? Noll And
just infuriates you. So it's so back to like how
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we would walk through this, right, Like, so we come
in or we we we get in touch with you
and then you know, obviously because you're there and we're here,
you know, we're either doing a zoom or we're sending
you videos, right and we're starting to break down like
what we think the possible issues are we can run
through some of the testing, right, But then obviously I'm
assuming that you you're in. You guys are putting together
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a plan as you figure out what it is that
either needs to be strengthened or where rotation needs to
open up, and then it's you guys are putting together basically, um,
you know, step by step how how we would be
solving this on our own, and then we would have
to commit to you know, working on those issues correct, right,
like there is a minor, minor thing where you do
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have to actually do a little bit of work. We
do try to minimize that. You know, we've gotten it
down to you. You can give me fifteen minutes you
know in a day like you'll you'll be good. But yeah,
so we have UM so when you guys would you
say you guys reached out. You know what we do
with people as we jump on a live call, so
when we do the assessment live, so that way we
can you know, particularly like for Brian, we're going to
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dive a little bit deeper into hip and back stuff
probably you know, and looking at thoracic spine and his
hips and who knows, maybe his shoulder sucks and maybe
that's where a lot of it's coming from you. Maybe
he's he's anominally, I don't know right for for you,
we're gonna go different a different route, likely you know,
based on your your history and whatnot. UM. You know,
so I think you know based on That's why we
always like to do that initial assessment live from there.
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We have our own app, so you know, people download
our app. We custom build the program for you, so
there's videos explanations, but within the app, you can you're
messaging back and forth with the coach. You can jump
on a call like a video call, like anytime you
want UM. And actually, one of the cool things we're
actually launching UH in December, we're doing our our our
first fifty founding members of this and then we've launched
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largely in January. We're actually doing a like group class
thing of like an Orange Theory fitness. We have like
twenty people in a class, but we're doing it live
over Zoom with video on demand afterwards, where people can
actually you know, pay they don't have to pay for
one on one training, but you actually get a coach
who can see you physically moving through the movements, will
have me have multiple coaches in the classes giving feedback. Um,
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it's gonna be it's gonna be really really cool, particularly
for us to reach a lot of you know, a
much wider audience of people who maybe don't want to
spend the money for one on one coaching, but we
can give you basically that that level of thinking like Peloton,
but the coach actually sees you and and and actually
can talk you through and help you, uh, you know,
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improve your movements. We're going to still do testing and
you know, everything is going to be continued to be
that high level of customization. Um, but it's going to
be in a way where you're actually working out with
other golfers around the world. Do you do you tend
to have more mail or female or like, what's your
skew on demographics of people who reach out. Yeah, it's
definitely most I would say mostly male will get the
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competitive women. Um. The only the time where we'll get
large groups of women is when it's you know, when
it's more social. If we throw like a wine like
wine or some social element afterwards, guys don't show it's
all it's all girls, right. Okay. That is interesting because
on balls and holes we always give the girl and
guide perspective on golf, and that's incredibly I mean, clearly
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it's going to be skewed more male because it's a
truly male sport these days, right. I think what's interesting
to that is that there's also this component of ego
right where it's like, I'll jump into a lesson anytime
I'm having an issue. It was like a fight to
get this guy to go to your point, Jessica. Women
will come in much quicker. The guy Brian is not
coming until his legs don't freaking work right. He's like
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he's like, he's like, I'm gonna I'll wait like twenty
four hours, maybe it'll be okay, pop some adville. I
golfed with this man for like three and a half
weeks during a problem, and he was it was three
weeks of pure hell of him being like he couldn't
figure out what was wrong. It never happened before. It
was something so simple too, but he suffered for three
weeks before I was like, dude, I I your booked.
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I paid for it, like, go to the lesson. And
it took my coach two minutes to analyze what was
going on, and boom, fixed. That was three weeks in
my life. I will never get back with a shitty
golfer who was mean. I was too good looking and
way too strong. It was weird. I don't know how
that happened, but a lot of a lot of guys
have that problem brand, but it is. It's an ego thing, right,
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So it's like, I love I I'm really interested to
see like how your new classes work, right like, and
how many people are going to want to join life
classes and what that? You know, how helpful that is?
And do guys feel better if they're doing it with
a group of people or they know that there's other
people that are participating, right Like? That's interesting. Well, we'll
see the women generally speaking, the women in the classes now,
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it depends. There's definitely like the women who come in
and they're they're more there for like the social and
the enjoyment. Now there's don't go wrong. There's women to
come in and they're looking to like cut throats. Like
we've had some women and I can think of once
she's seventy two, if a guy tries to help get
a wait for her, she legit will drop his ass. Yeah. Yeah,
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I saw a great post the other day of like
how women golfers are portrayed on the internet, and it
was like all these sexy, hot golf influencers and then
it was like a picture of what you really see
on the golf course and it was just like a
bunch of really like tough, butch women who are like
sixty five with like a cigarette and a beer and
then they'll cut you. They'll cut you. So what's the
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future for part for success? Where do you want to
see it in ten years and what's coming up next? Yeah?
So I think for us, you know, part for Success,
the goal has always been for us to be able
to establish kind of the gold standard for everyone out
there in terms of Uh, when I started, nobody knew,
like what's a good club at speed for forty five
year old guy? Like, nobody knew. All you could do
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is compare yourself to Tiger Woods or somebody on tour. Right,
That's that's a stupid comparison. So you know, we've already
gotten to the point where we can tell you, for
your age, how you compare to other people your age.
I think in ten years from now, what I'm really
what I really love is, you know, when people say
you hated do you work out for golf? It's like, hey,
hey do you do you do you part for success?
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You go to part four like like that that is
the that is synonymous with taking care of your body,
enjoying the game for a lot of years to come.
You know, I want to see in ten years that
we've had people that have been working with us for
twenty um and I think, you know, obviously, you know,
I've always looked at it from a business perspective of
you know, could you go out and franchise and build
a lot of Sure you could do that, but how
could I The best way for me ultimately to disseminate
(29:50):
all of our information to as many golfers as possible
to help them is the virtual realm, and how can
we do that digitally? And that's where I see, you know,
for us, this is you know, we're building kind of
a a big group based you know, Jim that can
be accessed from Australia you know, or Idaho. I mean,
it can be accessed anywhere and we can get that
information to people, um, you know, very very quickly. We
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have you know, we have private member like research releases
where we talked them about the new information that we're
finding and how to help them so that we're people
want to be a part of the Power of Success
Club because we're giving them an insight into how to
make themselves better and an edge that other people don't have. Um,
that's that's really the goal. It sounds awesome. Where can
everyone find you if they want to find out more
(30:32):
about Power for Success? Yes, so they can obviously, Um,
we're on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and just app par
for success. Um. You know we also obviously our website
is power Success dot com p R the number four
success dot com and we actually set up anyone listening
for the show, we set up a private page for
them Power Success dot com slash b n h and
(30:55):
they can grab that assessment we've been talking about for free.
They can run through it. They you can jump on
a free call with any of my guys to kind
of explain it to him. Um. But yeah, that's you know,
any of those any of those places we would be
we can be found anyone listen. That's awesome. Thank you
so much for that. Yeah, well, I want to do
this again because I want to dig more into metrics
and some of the other things that we didn't get
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a chance to touch that. I have a lot of
interest in so at some point I want to nerd
out again and we can nerd anytime you'd like. Okay, cool,
Thank you so much for being on the pod. Yeah,
thank you. This is great. All right? What are you
laughing at men for? It's Mulligan time. This is your
(31:44):
rendition of Mulligan time. It's Mulligan time. All right, Hi,
it's Mulligan time. That was super fun. Now let's call
Christie's cool. Yeah, he's way cool. Success perfect success is awesome.
Um I have a mull again? What's your Mulligan? So
in our past episodes, we've always had like good customer
service and bad customer service stories, and most of them
are now good customer service, customer service. UM I have
(32:06):
a great story about quator Quaters owned by Travis Matthew.
They make golf peril clothes, hats, shoes, and belts. And
I had a belt issue. What was your belt issue? Um?
I have a stretchy golf belt. Most we have a
bunch of those. I love strategy belt. They moved with
you when you golf and uh I purchased stuff from
(32:27):
Nike and from Quator and from Adidas, and uh so Quator,
I bought one from Roger dunn and the it was
all blacked, all murdered out like my putter, and um,
the paint start tipping off and it didn't look so
good action a lot of belt action and is a
black metal belt, so that it started chipping off looking gray.
(32:49):
But I think that you were most upset that it
wasn't murdered out anymore and had nicks and chips on it,
and it didn't match your murdered out putter and it
felt discombobulating. Course. So in fact, I think you blamed
the belt on your pudding the other day. Not true. Um,
I called Quater. I talked to a customer service guy
named James, and I told him my story, and I
(33:12):
told him where I bought it, and I didn't buy
it through Quator, but I bought it at Roger Dunne,
where I usually buy all my stuff. And uh we
had a couple of emails back and forth, and uh,
I did tell him that we had Balsinhole's golf podcast
and then we'll be reviewing it. And so here it is.
They are sending me a new belt and it's really cool.
(33:32):
I ema have to return my old belt. I did
take pictures of it. They saw it was me. It
was a manufactur's defect chipping off. So ironically, they only
had like one stretchy belt that had a silver buckle. UM.
All of them were painted either light gray or black,
and UM, I picked the one and only silver so
this doesn't happen again. And Quater is sending me a
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cheers belt. That's the name of the belt, cheers UM
in a dark blue and gray. And so thank you
Equator for or for having excellent customer service. We really
appreciate it. That's great. I had a two hundred and
sixty eight yard drive this week. I have been working
really hard with my coach. I've been going in every
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week and working specifically on my irons. As we've talked
about before, I was having a really tough time with distance,
and you know, lesson by lesson we've kind of really
analyzed and figured out like where my issues were. And
with just a couple of slight adjustments to my body
mechanics and some weight shifting, I am now hitting my
(34:37):
irons farther than I've ever hit them in my life. UM,
it's been a game changer. I'm creans and regulation all
over the place, which was always a really big struggle
for me. Oddly enough, in working with my just my irons,
it's translated over to my driver and you know, usually
I'm two hundred two yard drives to twenty, sometimes to thirty. Uh,
(35:00):
never have I hit to Yeah, But the issue that
you're so consistent, We have no issues with your driver.
You're always hitting and like it looks like you have
so much more power in your swing now. It's crazy.
So much of that has come from just these slight,
you know, changes that we made and shite is shite,
shit shite. It was my weight distribution and just my hips,
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you know, like what we talked about with Chris Finn,
like I was really overcompensating in certain areas of my
body and now everything is starting to flow a lot better.
And the distance that I'm getting in the power that
I'm generating in my game is huge. You just imagine
how much further if you go with par for success
and do it. I'm gonna do it. In fact, everybody
should do it. As Chris mentioned, there's um, you know
(35:44):
a link that you can go get a free assessment,
and that link is par for success dot com forward
slash b in h. So par for success dot com
forward slash b a H. I'm going to go get
my assessment, and everybody who's listening, who's interested, should go
get an assessment and see how they can generate more
(36:04):
power and fix a little bit of their body mechanics
that might be offering. You might be overcompensating because you're
not working out, or you have an injury, or you know,
we have all those things where degenerates. We like drinking
and smoking on the golf course. We don't necessarily, I
don't necessarily, you know, work out as much as I should.
But you know, overall, I'm excited. I'm getting more distance,
(36:26):
I'm getting more power, you're getting a new belt. We're
back together, um recording. That's awesome. Where can they find babe?
They can find us at Balls the Letter in Holes Golf.
That's Balls, the Letter in Holes Golf. We're on Instagram,
we're on TikTok, We're on Twitter, and find us online,
(36:48):
find us wherever we're everywhere. Babe, Thanks, start golfing with me.
I love you too. Balls and Holes it's produced and
distributed by the Eight Side Network,
You're listening tolls and holes. Jessica Bauser, Brian Pascaret, Hi, baby, baby,
I missed you last week. What you and Derby? You
had your solo episode? Yeah, but you were there. I
was there, so you know how we're broken. Golfers were
totally broken. Golfers have a back issue. You have a
(00:25):
neck issue. We got this crazy email serendipitously, serendipitously that
it was from par for Success, which is a virtual
like physical therapy golf coach. Yeah, Mike, the head of
marketing over there, reached out and uh said, hey, we
should all talk and you guys should talk with our
CEO and founder, Chris Finn. And so we went back
(00:48):
and forth and we did a bunch of research and
we've got him on the show today. We've got Chris Finn,
founder and CEO of par for Success with us. Amazing. Yeah,
Hi Chris, Hey, what's going on? Guys? How are you
doing well? Doing well? I We were so interested in
in your brand and your company. Can you tell us
what is par for Success? That's a that's a great question,
(01:11):
and I think, uh, at its core, it's a it's
a company that was basically birthed out of me getting fired,
um and written up for insubordination. Um, so you know
I've I went to I went to physical therapy school.
I was a strength coach. You know, That's why I
paid my way through the school. You know, I got
out as a you know, young you know, sprite, twenty
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two year old, you know, the master's degree. I'm super smart, right,
because that's what I'm thinking to myself. Get to my
first job, you know, down in in Raleigh area, so
a C C country and at one of the university
hospitals down here, and um, you know, I thought it
was the right thing to refer a client to somebody
who could help them. Unfortunately, UNC and DUKE don't get along,
and so when you send send a client from one
(01:54):
place to the other, you apparently get written up for insubordination.
So um, I basically got hold. You know, I wasn't
a good employee. I picked picked up what they were
putting down, and UM, you know just just really kind
of from that point on, decided I needed to do
my own thing. Um. My wife loved that I gave
up full health coverage, you know, insurance right before or something.
And she was six months pregnant. Um so so uh
(02:18):
so yeah, so I remember I said I thought I
was intelligent. Um but yeah, So I went out and
basically I had gotten the golf bug down here and Raleigh.
I moved from the Northeast where I played basketball, and
I was just addicted to golf and I was like, well, hey,
why don't I try to do you know what I
like doing. So you know, it's like, you know, i'd
gone to this, you know, the certification course, and I
was like, oh, cool, you can. Golfers would want to
(02:40):
work out, right, And this is probably two thousand and
ten ulm whole. I don't know if you guys remember
two thousand and ten, but nobody knew what the heck
golf fitness was, um and so so I was like, yeah,
I can help you and they're like, what the hell
do you do? And I was like, oh, well, I
can help your body. They're like, I hate working on
him a golfer, right, So so that was kind of
how Parposts got started, was really me going out knocking
(03:02):
on doors. I literally had rusted out Mazda three with
my table in the back of the car, driving around,
no health insurance, broke, no income, I actually took on
jobs at like nursing homes, wiping old people's butts, like
to to get paid, um, you know, to to pay
the bills at home, and um, you know really was
just trying to you know, build the business in between
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there and you know, fast forward, you know, nine nine years.
At this point, we've got a team of thirty and
it's been it's been a hell of a ride. We've
got the biggest research database in the world on physical
metrics of golfers. We can tell people how they compare
to other golfers in different areas, and um, you're really
able to give golfers, you know, the scientific keys to
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playing golf for a really long time at a at
a really high level. Chris, that was a lot. Thank you.
Um in a tagline like if someone's new to this,
to your company, like give me one slogan that would
explain your entire company, Like what exactly is it? Yeah,
it swing faster, play better, and hurt less. That's pretty good.
(04:05):
That it's pretty good. So this is you have physical therapist, chiropractors,
doctors that help golfers swing better and swing faster. Is
that what we're talking about here? Yes, we have a Yeah,
we're physical therapists trying the conditioning coaches, um. You know,
so really both medical and fitness, and we basically help
golfers on the body side, so making sure they're mobile
(04:26):
enough to swing the golf club, um, and making sure
they're strong enough. UM. With all the research we've done,
it's pretty cool we have We can take a in
less than ten minutes. We can figure out exactly like
if somebody wants to pick up you know, five miles
an hour, they want to pick up ten yards, twenty yards,
it's like, hey, these are this is exactly the three
things you need to do to pick those up. Um,
So that way they can you know, do whatever it
(04:47):
is you know that they're trying to do. On the
technical side, most golfers know like, oh, if I suck
at golfer should take a lesson. What most golfers don't
realize is if your hips don't move, that lesson is
going to be a total like just attempting to compensate,
and that if you can fix your body, what you
can do in four weeks And then all of a
sudden that lesson becomes really really valuable and it becomes
(05:08):
way more helpful for you. So obviously you guys are
in Raleigh, but from what I understand, you see people
all over the country. So help me understand how if
somebody's not in Raleigh and they want to dig into
body mechanics, in into fixing their body mechanics, what does
that look like for coming to part for success? Yeah,
(05:28):
so we send them our private jet. Um. Now, so
we have a we've got a really big virtual program
that we've actually we were working on it a bunch um,
you know, probably trying to figure out how the how
the heck is this going to work? And then COVID
hit obviously, and then all of a sudden, everybody wanted
virtual and it was kind of a blessing in disguise
(05:49):
from a business perspective. Um. And so you know, basically,
we at that point had already figured out how to
assess people, you know, outside of having them stand on
you know, fifty force plates like we can do here.
You know, we can do the entire physical assessment because
of all the data we have, we know the couple
tests that we need them to do to figure out
exactly what they need in order to be successful. Um.
(06:11):
So we do that with them live they have They
all have coaches, um that they work with and we
custom build everything for him. And I think the important
thing that I always found, particularly from my early days
in the business, is golfers hate working out generally speaking. Yeah,
because we're all degenerates. We'd rather drink and smoke cigars. Yeah. Um.
(06:34):
So you know we were able to get people where
you know, they can get it really really you know,
faster than can get out of pain then get really good. Uh,
you know, in less than ninety minutes in a week
because we can be super targeted and what they're doing,
what was like the catalysts? Why why did you go
into this field? Was there a need, a desire? Did
you think there was a demand. Did you just want
to help people? I mean, did you have an injury?
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How did this all come up? Why do you want
to be the founder and CEO? I actually didn't. When
I started the company, told my wife, I said, the
last thing I want to do is own a gym.
I do not want to own a freaking gym. Now,
I own a big JOm. Actually we're building a really
big gym now. Um. So she reminds me of that daily.
When I started, I actually wanted to do it virtually
just because I wanted you know, I mean anyone a
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lot of people start like I wanted to make money
and I wanted to do it. I learned quickly that
I didn't like I hated working with people who didn't
want to work with me, which is what consurance based therapy,
unfortunately was. Um. I didn't want to see thirty people
in a day, right, So I was I always my
mother always, she always gave me crap in school. She said,
have you spent as much time studying as you do
(07:39):
figuring out how much how little work you can do
to pass? Imagine how smart you'd be? Right? So I
think I harnessed that and to part for success. And
I was like, how can I do the least amount
possible to build something that will help a lot of
people and you know, allow me to pay my bills
and you know, my family to do what they want
to do. And um, you know that's kind of where
where honestly where it came from. I did not want
to own a gym. I want to just start a
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virtual company. Um, but in nobody wanted to do anything virtual,
So start doing so. If someone comes to you with
no body aches and pains and they just want a
golf lesson. Are you guys a golf lesson as well?
Or is it just to figure out body pains in issues? Yeah,
that's so we don't do the actual golf lessons. Um.
(08:21):
You know, we what we do is we figure out
what your body can and can't do. We actually work
with um. You know, a lot of golf pros are
actually around the country in the world. UM. Basically you know,
from a from a business standpoint, but also just understanding
what we were really good at. UM. You know, if
we have if we taught lessons, you're gonna have you know,
a couple of golf pros in here that can teach
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and they can only see so many people. If you
support all of the golf pros in the country, that's
a that's a much bigger you know, a group of
golfers that you're able to help, a much bigger market
that you can reach and UM. So that's where we
do really the physical side of things. And we work
with a lot of the golf coaches out there to say, hey,
you know, are you trying to get golfer a to do?
And they say, well, I want them to hit up
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on the ball and his driver cool. Well, you know,
golfer as hips move negative, so they're never going to
do that unless they throw out their back. Um. So
that's how we're able to work with them. And so
in a situation like that, you've got a coach that
comes to that they're working with golfer a and it's
is you know, on the virtual side of things, are
they sending you video of these golfers and you're analyzing
(09:24):
those videos and then coming back with what you're seeing
and what you recommend for fixing. So so it's actually
it's it's super interesting, Jessica. So they want to We'll
we'll get golf pros and a lot of our clients
will send us videos and they'll be like, hey, this
is my swing. What's wrong? Uh? The interesting thing about
the body and the golf swing is you know when
if we watched you know, say we looked at you know,
you swinging, and we see your left foot like spin
(09:45):
out you know, you know at impact right, I could
say like, obviously that's not a good thing. I could say, hey,
it's because your hip potentially doesn't move well, um, you can't,
but you can't concretely say it's oh, her hip, her
foot spins out because their hips bad. It could just
be that you like reverse weight shift and shift back
to your trail agg right, but from a but when
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you see that, you can you know, on our side,
we go, oh, I wonder if it's the hip. And
that's where we have you know, four or five tests
that we can do in five minutes and we can say, oh,
your hip sucks, so yeah, that's why that's happening. Or
we could say your hips fine, you just suck a
golf we need to and that's where we need That's
where we need the golf instructor to come in. And
that's an actual like a golf instructor is gonna be
able to fix that problem. But if you have a
(10:29):
bad hip, the golf instructor is going to have to
try to work around that problem. We can fix your hip,
and now the golf instructor can do what they're great at. Um.
So that's kind of the cool thing is it goes
one way, it doesn't go both ways. You can look
at a swing and say, hey, that doesn't look right.
But then this is kind of the fun part of
our job. As you know, we can do a five
minute screen. I can say, hey, does your foot spin out?
You know? Do you like do you slice it a
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lot or hook it? And how did you know that?
It's like, well, it's because your hip doesn't move, says you.
Only you only got two options. It's going one way
or the other. Um. So that's where it's kind of cool.
The getting the swing is helpful. UM. But then we
can layer on that five minute assessment and then we
can go right away. You know why it's happening or
why not? So let me get something clear when you
say fix it? Are you physically touching the customer to
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do physical therapy on them? Are you recommend what? What
what happens like if you find an issue, like, what
what do you do? Do you go do chiropractic work
on them? What? What's I'm pretty confused here, great question.
You're not understanding how we reach through the camera. It's
a touch signs. It doesn't make sense. So yeah, so
virtually what we do, UM is it's a lot of
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soft It's called soft tissue work. So if you guys
have seen like a thera gun or a phone roller
or you know, a lot of people use lacrosse balls
or softballs. So because of all the research we've done,
when we see a limitation, we can then say, oh,
that's what the issue is in you know, this muscle. Therefore,
we need to show you the technique of how you
can release it on your own, right, because technology is
(12:00):
pretty cool. Maybe in the metaverse I can reach through
and like do soft tissue release on somebody, but for now,
we've got to show them how to do it, you know,
with a softball or lacrosse ball or a there a gun. Um.
Obviously if they're local, yeah, we're doing need whether it's
dry needling or putting our hands on them and doing
tissue work um that way. But virtually it's I think
that's the coolest thing that I've seen in this industry
is with the progression of technology and whatnot, Like you
(12:23):
can literally teach people to like be their own therapist,
which is super cool. They your roster on your website
is like a who's who in the sports industry. You
have a lot of staff and they're all super qualified. Um,
tell me the role of of of your staff. Yeah,
I mean so their role is really just a basically
(12:43):
tell me when I'm an idiot, and I'm wrong. I
joke that, you know, I just if I if I'm
gonna hire someone that they just need to be smarter
than me, which is a really low bar um. But
really that their role is anyone on like all of
our physios, you know, their role is to really look
at the health and wellness of our membership and making
sure that physically they don't have injuries or if they
(13:05):
do have an injury from playing, that we can get
them back to being healthy. And we have our all
of our strength coaches. Their job is to really you know,
take you know, all the golfers that come in and
really help them figure out, you know, how do we
make them more explosive, how do we make them faster?
How do we make them more durable so they can
play more and you know, and be more consistent, hit
the ball further, and you know, obviously the goal is
(13:25):
win tournaments for a lot of them. Um. But then
and then we have obviously are um our administrative staff
and and we have lots of interns and whatnot, and
their their critical role really is helping us to really
process all of the data and information you know that
that we're taking in and we were doing this week.
We do what's called test week four times a year.
Will we run a couple of hundred golfers through the
(13:47):
Gamut force plates and three D and you know, and
so we get all this data and if you don't
have a team members to actually process that data, it's like, yeah,
we've got a big database, but we don't know what
the hell to do with it. Um, So it's, uh,
it's pretty cool. The other team that we have is
it's super diverse. Everyone really works well together, and um,
everyone kind of has their role of making sure that
(14:08):
our service and product is as good as possible, and um,
you know. Then obviously we've got you know, a lot
of our team that talks to the golfers and give
answers questions and helps them figure out what they need
to get to where they want to go. So I'm
super interested in the data in the metrics because I
was reading about it on the stuff that makes sent over.
We're gonna take a quick break, real quick, and then
when we come back, we're going to dig into that
a little bit more. All Right, So we're back. We've
(14:37):
got Chris Finn, founder and CEO of par for Success.
So we were talking about data and analytics. Do you
feel that you get more a successful um conclusion when
you're doing it in person at your your facility or
versus virtual. When we started, you know, in the early
(15:00):
of I would I would answer that question, Yeah, we're
better in person than virtually. UM. Now that we have
had the data for so long, you know, one of
our you know, the big kind of mission that I
had was that I'm not going to offer anything virtually
where people are gonna pay me unless I'm a hundred
percent confident I can get them the same results as
if they came in person. And we arrived at that
(15:21):
point probably twenty nineteen, just in time for covid um,
and you know, that's where you know, at this point,
and we guarantee everything we do where you know, within ten,
you know, ten weeks on average, people see ten yards
gained within those first ten weeks on average most pretty
much everybody, all of a sudden, you know, if they
didn't pass all the rotational tests, they're going to pass
(15:42):
them all within generally even quicker than that six day
weeks UM. So I think that's been the really probably
one of the things I'm most proud of with anybody
who comes on and says, hey, I need help, I'm
a hundred percent sure if you can give me ninety
minutes in a week, I'm gonna, you know, we're gonna
get you to where you need to be. Walk me
through that, right, Like and I both have spine injuries
(16:03):
and have both had surgeries. Right, So I worked with
my PT and still do. I still train with her,
and now we focus purely on what I can do
for golf for me, right, Um, mine was cervical neck.
Brian's was, you know, lumbar spine. I think I've paid
a bit more attention to my journey in that because
(16:23):
I was, you know, having something cervical, Like my arms
didn't work, My hands didn't work, I mean, it trailed
all the way down. Brian seems to to have some
hindrance in low back. Right. But like, so let's say
we want to hop on the train, right, and so
we get in touch with you guys, walk us through
what that's gonna look like for us, right, Like, we
(16:44):
reach out, here's what our issues are. How are you
going to fix us? Yeah, So, so it's gonna be
a little different for Brian, and then you know, versus you.
So for you know, for Brian, the big you know,
with the history of the low back, the number one
thing we're gonna be looking at is going to be
particularly hip, uh you know, hip and some shoulder, but
(17:05):
definitely the hip area is going to be the number
one concern that we want to look at because we
know that hip limitations are the number one predictor of
back issues. Um. So you know, particularly post back issue
where we've already had gone in and had surgical intervention,
like that is the absolute number one priority that we
want to make sure is as clear as possible because
you know, when we look at back in neck with
(17:27):
a lot of people don't realize that it's not that
area that you're really concerned about post surgically, it's the
area above and below that we need to make sure
it is moving as well as possible to take the
stress off of that, you know, the surgically repaired area.
So for a cervical you know, for you Jessica, like
that's where we're looking. Shoulders are going to be, you know,
incredibly important. Still worried about the hips because of the
hips don't work, then that's gonna screw things up the chain. Um,
(17:50):
but in particular from a golf perspective, the neck is
generally less of of of an implication in terms of
there's not as much violent movement up there. The back,
I was called, is the friendly neighbor who always tries
to help out if the hips don't do what they
need to do with the shoulders don't, and that's why
the low back usually ends up getting screwed then like
flaring up or spassing out, eventually potentially eating surgery um.
(18:11):
So that's you know, the first step we're gonna go
through is a full evaluation of We're going to look
at cervical spine. Is the number is one of the
big four rotational centers. So your neck, the upper you know,
it's called the thoracic spine. So I think from the
bottom of your neck down to your belly button right,
and then you have your hips and your shoulders. Those
are the big four rotational centers. I'm gonna be paid
way more attention to the hips, probably with brian um,
(18:33):
and then I'm gonna neck and shoulders are going to
be you know, of more interest to me with you.
But we're gonna look at all of it. Jessica has
phenomenal hits. You know what they'll it's I mean to
go through this and to hear this, right. I appreciate that, darling,
thank you. But because of my injury and because I
was living with it for so long, I had overcompensated
(18:54):
so badly in the rest of my body that, like
my hips were a huge problem coming out of cervical
next regery because everything was locked right, like everything was off.
So that's been one of the main things that Yvonne
and I work on is getting my hips to work
again because everything had disconnected right and it was just
doing its own thing. And that's like the biggest hallmark
(19:16):
to me of a great therapist or somebody knows what
they're doing is you go in it was like the
patient like, oh my god, I just had next surgery
and they're like, your hips are screwed. You gotta and
it's it's like it's almost like you very rarely treat
that where the pain is. It's if you're truly going
to be good, you got to go to the source
of it. I got a good story for that. I
got a good story. Just last week, my neck locked
(19:38):
up and I went to see my PT and she's
been doing a lot of work in public floor work.
So she went and did a bunch of testing on
me and there were a couple of spots that were
just like, oh my god. And then she like basically
went and write above my butt hole and she hit
a spot that hurts so bad and she was like,
oh my god, this is it. And we go and
we fix it and she does this release and all
(19:58):
of a sudden, my neck is like zero inflammation completely,
you know. So I go, my golf coach notices, He's like,
you're moving a lot better. I was like my pet
stucker figure in my buttle and it's just like amazing. Now,
they don't teach that general anatomy that your connected to
your I thought that was common knowledge. It was amazing though,
but to your point, right, like, so you know we're
(20:20):
also we're connected, right and you know, typically what I've
learned in my recovery is that if I'm hurting on
my right shoulder, it is typically something down in my
left hip right like, And it took me a really
long time to get and you know, in touch enough
with myself and and to understand these things that like
you typically where your pain is reading and that's where
you think that there's an issue and typically it's not so.
(20:43):
And you know, it makes so much sense that you
have to go to different parts and and really figure out.
I mean, I don't necessarily recommend the bub hole and
just you know, for clarity, it wasn't really my body.
If it works, it works. You know, Chris, do you
have any great success stories that you know, like they
was just like someone's completely broken and you guys fixed
him and it was like an awesome story. Oh yeah,
(21:05):
I mean we got a there's there's a bunch. I
mean we got actually we had a guy, um you
know right now who actually post he had post chemo
lost ability to move in his legs. Doctor told it's's
called neampathy from the chemo. Doctor told him, never gonna
walk again. Um, he's been it's been about a year
and we actually were just talking today. He's walking up
(21:26):
and down. He actually part of his PTS. He comes
and he swings clubs and we're training. He's we've gotten
him up. He can swing. I think he crested close
to ninety to day without you know, it doesn't fall down. Um,
he's walking down with no, he doesn't doesn't wasn't using
his canes or anything. And he said, I said, don't,
I said, Gary said Gary, I said, you know the
good news of having those hands free. Now he goes
what I said, Now you can double bird that the
doctor when you go walk in. Why are you? Here's
(21:49):
one for you. Here's the one for you. For the listeners,
he's Crispin is flipping with two features. That's that's incredible.
That's those are I'm sure you have a lot of
those stories. Um what about pros? Are you are semi pros?
Are you? Are you working on top athletes here too? Oh? Yeah, yeah.
I think some of my favorite stories with those are
particularly the we have a very big junior program we've
(22:11):
been and the cool thing of being around for a
while is, you know, we have you know, probably my
favorite story is Jennifer Chang. She's on the LPGA, she's
inside top one hundred. Um you know she I knew
her since she was fourteen, little kind of pimpley, little,
you know, freshman in high school. She was a four
time state champion here, but like helping to develop her,
she went to USC. I'll buy you guys on California
(22:32):
and um, you know she you know, she left after
two years to to go play pro. And we have
so many cool stories like that, um, you know, from
either you know, developing them from young you know to
the pro level. Um. But also we get so many
pro sacum in that are so screwed up that you know,
they're like they can't swing or like they just they've
(22:52):
been doing so much of the wrong stuff, you know, Jessica,
we're just talking about they have they've had elbow paying
for years and like, what have you done well all
the they all on the on the rock. They just
treat my elbow, treat my elbow, and you're like, well,
your hip doesn't move, so you're having to overuse the
elbow to make up for the lack of rotation. They're like,
do an I wone ever tell you that? Noll And
just infuriates you. So it's so back to like how
(23:16):
we would walk through this, right, Like, so we come
in or we we we get in touch with you
and then you know, obviously because you're there and we're here,
you know, we're either doing a zoom or we're sending
you videos, right and we're starting to break down like
what we think the possible issues are we can run
through some of the testing, right, But then obviously I'm
assuming that you you're in. You guys are putting together
(23:36):
a plan as you figure out what it is that
either needs to be strengthened or where rotation needs to
open up, and then it's you guys are putting together basically, um,
you know, step by step how how we would be
solving this on our own, and then we would have
to commit to you know, working on those issues correct, right,
like there is a minor, minor thing where you do
(23:58):
have to actually do a little bit of work. We
do try to minimize that. You know, we've gotten it
down to you. You can give me fifteen minutes you
know in a day like you'll you'll be good. But yeah,
so we have UM so when you guys would you
say you guys reached out. You know what we do
with people as we jump on a live call, so
when we do the assessment live, so that way we
can you know, particularly like for Brian, we're going to
(24:19):
dive a little bit deeper into hip and back stuff
probably you know, and looking at thoracic spine and his
hips and who knows, maybe his shoulder sucks and maybe
that's where a lot of it's coming from you. Maybe
he's he's anominally, I don't know right for for you,
we're gonna go different a different route, likely you know,
based on your your history and whatnot. UM. You know,
so I think you know based on That's why we
always like to do that initial assessment live from there.
(24:41):
We have our own app, so you know, people download
our app. We custom build the program for you, so
there's videos explanations, but within the app, you can you're
messaging back and forth with the coach. You can jump
on a call like a video call, like anytime you
want UM. And actually, one of the cool things we're
actually launching UH in December, we're doing our our our
first fifty founding members of this and then we've launched
(25:03):
largely in January. We're actually doing a like group class
thing of like an Orange Theory fitness. We have like
twenty people in a class, but we're doing it live
over Zoom with video on demand afterwards, where people can
actually you know, pay they don't have to pay for
one on one training, but you actually get a coach
who can see you physically moving through the movements, will
have me have multiple coaches in the classes giving feedback. Um,
(25:25):
it's gonna be it's gonna be really really cool, particularly
for us to reach a lot of you know, a
much wider audience of people who maybe don't want to
spend the money for one on one coaching, but we
can give you basically that that level of thinking like Peloton,
but the coach actually sees you and and and actually
can talk you through and help you, uh, you know,
(25:46):
improve your movements. We're going to still do testing and
you know, everything is going to be continued to be
that high level of customization. Um, but it's going to
be in a way where you're actually working out with
other golfers around the world. Do you do you tend
to have more mail or female or like, what's your
skew on demographics of people who reach out. Yeah, it's
definitely most I would say mostly male will get the
(26:09):
competitive women. Um. The only the time where we'll get
large groups of women is when it's you know, when
it's more social. If we throw like a wine like
wine or some social element afterwards, guys don't show it's
all it's all girls, right. Okay. That is interesting because
on balls and holes we always give the girl and
guide perspective on golf, and that's incredibly I mean, clearly
(26:32):
it's going to be skewed more male because it's a
truly male sport these days, right. I think what's interesting
to that is that there's also this component of ego
right where it's like, I'll jump into a lesson anytime
I'm having an issue. It was like a fight to
get this guy to go to your point, Jessica. Women
will come in much quicker. The guy Brian is not
coming until his legs don't freaking work right. He's like
(26:55):
he's like, he's like, I'm gonna I'll wait like twenty
four hours, maybe it'll be okay, pop some adville. I
golfed with this man for like three and a half
weeks during a problem, and he was it was three
weeks of pure hell of him being like he couldn't
figure out what was wrong. It never happened before. It
was something so simple too, but he suffered for three
weeks before I was like, dude, I I your booked.
(27:19):
I paid for it, like, go to the lesson. And
it took my coach two minutes to analyze what was
going on, and boom, fixed. That was three weeks in
my life. I will never get back with a shitty
golfer who was mean. I was too good looking and
way too strong. It was weird. I don't know how
that happened, but a lot of a lot of guys
have that problem brand, but it is. It's an ego thing, right,
(27:42):
So it's like, I love I I'm really interested to
see like how your new classes work, right like, and
how many people are going to want to join life
classes and what that? You know, how helpful that is?
And do guys feel better if they're doing it with
a group of people or they know that there's other
people that are participating, right Like? That's interesting. Well, we'll
see the women generally speaking, the women in the classes now,
(28:04):
it depends. There's definitely like the women who come in
and they're they're more there for like the social and
the enjoyment. Now there's don't go wrong. There's women to
come in and they're looking to like cut throats. Like
we've had some women and I can think of once
she's seventy two, if a guy tries to help get
a wait for her, she legit will drop his ass. Yeah. Yeah,
(28:25):
I saw a great post the other day of like
how women golfers are portrayed on the internet, and it
was like all these sexy, hot golf influencers and then
it was like a picture of what you really see
on the golf course and it was just like a
bunch of really like tough, butch women who are like
sixty five with like a cigarette and a beer and
then they'll cut you. They'll cut you. So what's the
(28:46):
future for part for success? Where do you want to
see it in ten years and what's coming up next? Yeah?
So I think for us, you know, part for Success,
the goal has always been for us to be able
to establish kind of the gold standard for everyone out
there in terms of Uh, when I started, nobody knew,
like what's a good club at speed for forty five
year old guy? Like, nobody knew. All you could do
(29:07):
is compare yourself to Tiger Woods or somebody on tour. Right,
That's that's a stupid comparison. So you know, we've already
gotten to the point where we can tell you, for
your age, how you compare to other people your age.
I think in ten years from now, what I'm really
what I really love is, you know, when people say
you hated do you work out for golf? It's like, hey,
hey do you do you do you part for success?
(29:27):
You go to part four like like that that is
the that is synonymous with taking care of your body,
enjoying the game for a lot of years to come.
You know, I want to see in ten years that
we've had people that have been working with us for
twenty um and I think, you know, obviously, you know,
I've always looked at it from a business perspective of
you know, could you go out and franchise and build
a lot of Sure you could do that, but how
could I The best way for me ultimately to disseminate
(29:50):
all of our information to as many golfers as possible
to help them is the virtual realm, and how can
we do that digitally? And that's where I see, you know,
for us, this is you know, we're building kind of
a a big group based you know, Jim that can
be accessed from Australia you know, or Idaho. I mean,
it can be accessed anywhere and we can get that
information to people, um, you know, very very quickly. We
(30:12):
have you know, we have private member like research releases
where we talked them about the new information that we're
finding and how to help them so that we're people
want to be a part of the Power of Success
Club because we're giving them an insight into how to
make themselves better and an edge that other people don't have. Um,
that's that's really the goal. It sounds awesome. Where can
everyone find you if they want to find out more
(30:32):
about Power for Success? Yes, so they can obviously, Um,
we're on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and just app par
for success. Um. You know we also obviously our website
is power Success dot com p R the number four
success dot com and we actually set up anyone listening
for the show, we set up a private page for
them Power Success dot com slash b n h and
(30:55):
they can grab that assessment we've been talking about for free.
They can run through it. They you can jump on
a free call with any of my guys to kind
of explain it to him. Um. But yeah, that's you know,
any of those any of those places we would be
we can be found anyone listen. That's awesome. Thank you
so much for that. Yeah, well, I want to do
this again because I want to dig more into metrics
and some of the other things that we didn't get
(31:16):
a chance to touch that. I have a lot of
interest in so at some point I want to nerd
out again and we can nerd anytime you'd like. Okay, cool,
Thank you so much for being on the pod. Yeah,
thank you. This is great. All right? What are you
laughing at men for? It's Mulligan time. This is your
(31:44):
rendition of Mulligan time. It's Mulligan time. All right, Hi,
it's Mulligan time. That was super fun. Now let's call
Christie's cool. Yeah, he's way cool. Success perfect success is awesome.
Um I have a mull again? What's your Mulligan? So
in our past episodes, we've always had like good customer
service and bad customer service stories, and most of them
are now good customer service, customer service. UM I have
(32:06):
a great story about quator Quaters owned by Travis Matthew.
They make golf peril clothes, hats, shoes, and belts. And
I had a belt issue. What was your belt issue? Um?
I have a stretchy golf belt. Most we have a
bunch of those. I love strategy belt. They moved with
you when you golf and uh I purchased stuff from
(32:27):
Nike and from Quator and from Adidas, and uh so Quator,
I bought one from Roger dunn and the it was
all blacked, all murdered out like my putter, and um,
the paint start tipping off and it didn't look so
good action a lot of belt action and is a
black metal belt, so that it started chipping off looking gray.
(32:49):
But I think that you were most upset that it
wasn't murdered out anymore and had nicks and chips on it,
and it didn't match your murdered out putter and it
felt discombobulating. Course. So in fact, I think you blamed
the belt on your pudding the other day. Not true. Um,
I called Quater. I talked to a customer service guy
named James, and I told him my story, and I
(33:12):
told him where I bought it, and I didn't buy
it through Quator, but I bought it at Roger Dunne,
where I usually buy all my stuff. And uh we
had a couple of emails back and forth, and uh,
I did tell him that we had Balsinhole's golf podcast
and then we'll be reviewing it. And so here it is.
They are sending me a new belt and it's really cool.
(33:32):
I ema have to return my old belt. I did
take pictures of it. They saw it was me. It
was a manufactur's defect chipping off. So ironically, they only
had like one stretchy belt that had a silver buckle. UM.
All of them were painted either light gray or black,
and UM, I picked the one and only silver so
this doesn't happen again. And Quater is sending me a
(33:54):
cheers belt. That's the name of the belt, cheers UM
in a dark blue and gray. And so thank you
Equator for or for having excellent customer service. We really
appreciate it. That's great. I had a two hundred and
sixty eight yard drive this week. I have been working
really hard with my coach. I've been going in every
(34:17):
week and working specifically on my irons. As we've talked
about before, I was having a really tough time with distance,
and you know, lesson by lesson we've kind of really
analyzed and figured out like where my issues were. And
with just a couple of slight adjustments to my body
mechanics and some weight shifting, I am now hitting my
(34:37):
irons farther than I've ever hit them in my life. UM,
it's been a game changer. I'm creans and regulation all
over the place, which was always a really big struggle
for me. Oddly enough, in working with my just my irons,
it's translated over to my driver and you know, usually
I'm two hundred two yard drives to twenty, sometimes to thirty. Uh,
(35:00):
never have I hit to Yeah, But the issue that
you're so consistent, We have no issues with your driver.
You're always hitting and like it looks like you have
so much more power in your swing now. It's crazy.
So much of that has come from just these slight,
you know, changes that we made and shite is shite,
shit shite. It was my weight distribution and just my hips,
(35:23):
you know, like what we talked about with Chris Finn,
like I was really overcompensating in certain areas of my
body and now everything is starting to flow a lot better.
And the distance that I'm getting in the power that
I'm generating in my game is huge. You just imagine
how much further if you go with par for success
and do it. I'm gonna do it. In fact, everybody
should do it. As Chris mentioned, there's um, you know
(35:44):
a link that you can go get a free assessment,
and that link is par for success dot com forward
slash b in h. So par for success dot com
forward slash b a H. I'm going to go get
my assessment, and everybody who's listening, who's interested, should go
get an assessment and see how they can generate more
(36:04):
power and fix a little bit of their body mechanics
that might be offering. You might be overcompensating because you're
not working out, or you have an injury, or you know,
we have all those things where degenerates. We like drinking
and smoking on the golf course. We don't necessarily, I
don't necessarily, you know, work out as much as I should.
But you know, overall, I'm excited. I'm getting more distance,
(36:26):
I'm getting more power, you're getting a new belt. We're
back together, um recording. That's awesome. Where can they find babe?
They can find us at Balls the Letter in Holes Golf.
That's Balls, the Letter in Holes Golf. We're on Instagram,
we're on TikTok, We're on Twitter, and find us online,
(36:48):
find us wherever we're everywhere. Babe, Thanks, start golfing with me.
I love you too. Balls and Holes it's produced and
distributed by the Eight Side Network,
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