January 7, 2021 • 51 mins
Clay Newcomb and Kolby Morehead reflect on the last two and half years of the podcast and how it has helped them grow. They also share some of their standout episodes and guests. Clay makes a BIG announcement.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the
Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. I'll also be your host into
the world of hunting the icon of the North American
Wilderness Fair. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation. We will
also bring you into some of the wildest country on
the planet chasing Fair. On this monumental episode of the
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Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast, we are gonna relay some very
pertinent information to you guys. We're also going to talk
about some highlights of producing this podcast. But before we
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to help hunters. Western Bear Foundation check them out. Colby M.
Colby moorehead. Hey, welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Man,
this covid stuff has it's knocked out. Colby has been
uh working remotely, yeah, we'll say, yeah, but working hard. Yeah,
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working hard. Bear Hunting Magazine, North Hunting Magazine North. Hey,
you know that we're deep in the heart of squirrel
a pellooza really, oh of course, yeah, this is deep
deep in the heart of squirrel the palooza one which
is uh where me and the kids and many other
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families are. We haven't been able to go every day because,
you know, sometimes we have something going on in the evening.
Usually we're hunting in the evenings. But we're trying to
squirrel hunt as absolute much as possible over the next
sixty days. Is this increasing your squirrel craft your squirrel crafting,
oh my ability to make arts and crafts with squirrel stuff. Yeah,
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ornaments are done. It's not that season, so like like
I'm already making some Christmas ornaments for next year. Well,
Kolby is referring to as a video that I made
for Meat Eat, where I made a Christmas ornament out
of squirrel tales. I want to read you a text
message that I sent to a friend of mine a
few days ago. He says, Clay, if you end up
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doing any squirrel hunting this week, and it would work
to have folks join. We're super interested. And this is
a friend of mine I hunt with and his kids.
And I say, yes, probably go tomorrow. We may go
this evening for the last hour. He says, We're up
for both. Just let me know, all right. And this
is sometimes things just come out of your mouth and
you realize that it's that the that the that the
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energy behind it is deeper than even what you realized
when you said it. Okay, looking forward to And I
said ten four stand by, squirrel of Pellooza is raging
and the flame blows hither and yonder at its will.
So poetic, and uh so, what I was trying to
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say is I don't know if we're gonna go this
afternoon or tomorrow afternoon, but I'll let you know. So
Squirrel Peluza, We're we're gonna try to go this afternoon
if it's not too cold. Um there, not not too cold.
That's not what I meant to say. What I'm meant
to say. If it's not raining. Cold does not affect squirrel.
The Pelluza was a little surprised rain does affect squirrel. Pelouza, Well, hey,
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we're gonna get right into the heart of of this
monumental episode of the Bare Honey magazine podcast. Um, we
we need to break some news to people, Colby that
that really no one would know. Uh. People may have
noticed in the last two weeks we haven't put out
a podcast. They might have just speculated that it was
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like the holidays or something. Um, but it was It's
a little bit deeper than that, and this is really
a Uh we're extremely excited to say that this is
the final episode of the Bear Honey magazine podcast. Yep.
Those words are They may seem counterintuitive because I said,
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we're excited to say that this is the final Bear
Hunting Magazine podcast episode. Yep. We currently have made how
many podcasts have we made? A hundred and this will
hundred and fifteen podcasts. So basically, for the last two
and a half years, we have produced a weekly podcast,
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maybe just missing a week or two random times. The
reason I'm excited to say this, Colby, is because we
have a big announcement that I think it's gonna make
everybody happy, is that we are starting a new podcast.
So though this is not though this is the last
episode of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast in its current form,
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this is not the last that you're gonna hear from this. Uh.
This this chance annal and we're starting a podcast with
meat Eater as we as we told people before, I
now work for meat Eater, also work for Bear Hunting Magazine.
None of that's changed. Um, I still publish an edit
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Bear Hunting Magazine. You still work for bar Haunting Magazine.
Bear Hunting Magazine has never been better. Um. And but
I do work for meat Eater, you know. And it's
been an incredible three months. And from the very beginning
we have been formulating with meat Eater a podcast. And
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as many people know, meat Eater has a suite of podcasts. People,
unless you're really paying attention, sometimes this isn't it's not intuitive.
But there is such a thing as the meat Eater podcast.
Let's just speak clear here. The Meteator podcast is Steve
Ronelli's podcast. Okay, meat Eater to the company has a
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suite of podcasts, and those podcasts, aside from the meter podcast,
would be the Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien, Wired to
Hunt with Mark Kenyon, Bent with Joseph Mellie and Miles Nolte,
Umw's We Can Review with Ryan Callahan and Warren Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I'm coaching. When you when you say them all on
the line, it's hard. Well, there's gonna be another one,
and it's gonna be it's gonna be a podcast that
I'm gonna do for me eater, Okay, And we can't
go into extreme detail or much details all other than that,
if you are currently subscribed to this RSS feed, one
day in the near future, you're gonna wake up and
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you're gonna look on your phone and it's gonna say boom,
something that's gonna say podcast and you might even see
a picture of me. I don't know, maybe not. Don't
look for a picture of me. Just it's gonna say podcasts,
not meat Eater, and you need to listen to that
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podcast because we're doing something different. We're doing something that's
very different than this, and I'm very confident that it's
gonna be enjoyable, and it's been enjoyable for me so far.
It really has been very very neat stuff. So stay tuned,
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just keep watching your podcast feed. And all I can
say is sometime in the near future, this RSS feed
will transition into that media podcast. So there we haven't
there it is. Um. What I wanted to do today
on this final episode was kind of go back and
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track a little bit of our our history pod casting
and maybe me even tell a little bit of my
personal journey into this form of media. And um, and
I want to hear some of your stuff too, Coldy.
You know, for the last year and a half, almost
two years, I guess you've been producing the podcast for me. Um.
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But let me say that I originally was hesitant to
get into podcasting. I was a little bit late to
the game of podcasting. Five years ago podcasts where like
like everybody started to have podcasting, and every month forward
that we went from that time, it was like, you
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need a podcast, you need a podcast. People were telling me, Clay,
you ought to do a podcast, You ought to do
a podcast, And to be honest with you, I was
leary to do it because first of all, I just
wasn't sure that I wasn't sure how if it would
be valuable to people. And secondly, from a real per
personal position, Kolbe. All these forms of media that I
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had done in the past allowed me to kind of
script how I wanted to be portrayed and how much
of myself that I showed people. Those other forms of
media allowed me to be very conservative with those things.
For instance, like video, Like you might you might think
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that video is like, oh wow, they're seeing your face.
They're here and you talk, they're seeing what you do. Well,
if you're making video, you you can be very you.
You release what you want to release. Um, if you're
being a writer magazine, I mean you're hidden behind a
whole bunch of other stuff. Uh, you don't have you
You you tell the reader what you want to tell
the reader. Podcast is pretty different. And I'm not saying
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I don't have control of what I say, because I do.
But when you have an hour to two hours every
week of free flow comp versation with another person, you
reveal a whole lot about who you are. And up
until two and a half years ago, I was not
comfortable with that. I just didn't. I just didn't feel
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like it was the right time. And something happened and
I was just like, Okay, now's the time, and in
my kind of journey. Many things have come about that way,
just like it wasn't right, It wasn't right, it wasn't right,
and then all of a sudden it felt right, and
I pulled the trigger. And when I pulled the trigger
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on anything, I tried to do it to the best
of my ability, to try to make it as good
as I could. And so I committed to making a
weekly podcast and that ended up being like really significant
for us and for our business, and not necessarily financially.
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I don't want to paint the picture that someone would
think that like you're living in a dream world if
you think you're to get rich off a podcast like ours.
I mean, it's just not um. But inside of our
business and inside of our mission statement of what we're
trying to do in the bare Hunting world and in
the honey world in general, and inside of this being
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a small business that me and you run, UM, it
became really valuable to us, definitely because people, you know,
people got to know us, people got to know what
we valued, people got to see some really valuable, incredible people,
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you know. And uh so the Bare Honey Magazine podcast
for me was a developmental tool personally, Like I tell
I say this to some people, is that you know,
human communication is like an extremely important part of our
lives and whatever field you live in. I mean, you
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may think you don't need to communicate, but you do.
And uh, to practice communicating in a thoughtful way is
it is very developmental, especially when you're talking with experts,
or you're talking with people that have some knowledge that
you don't have, or you're trying to mind something out
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of them that you know they have that maybe they
don't even know they have, but you see it. And Uh,
I can go back to the first podcast that I
did two and a half years ago, and I can
hear a difference in the way that I think and
talk even and inside of my life. Colbe moorehead, I
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value personal development at all levels. Um, I'm not happy
with the human that I am today. I mean, I'm content,
but I know that there's developmental processes inside of me
that are good. It's good for me to stretch myself
and to grow in knowledge and all all kind of stuff.
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And to me, the podcast has been a massive platform
for personal development. I've had to overcome. Uh. I mean
you may not hear it, but I mean there's been
times in this podcast when I have had overcome insecurity
and fear. Um, there's been there's been administrative difficulties on
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organizing and getting things set up. And I mean we've
we've traveled extensively at times just for the podcast to
go meet people, which may not have made sense. It's like, golly,
you're gonna drive eight hours one way and do it
to our podcast and turn around and come back. Um.
You know it took dedication, sacrifice, some discipline, some time management,
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all these things, and I think those things are really
positive for sure. And uh, I know it was development
inside of you. And you know you've not been on
every podcast, I mean so, but you've you've been on
a lot of them, and you put your hands on
almost all of them on the back side of production
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and different things, and a lot of them would have
been you know, you would have had influence that people
wouldn't see, like maybe an idea for a podcast, or
how you ought to talk to that person or this person,
and uh, can you speak to that in any way? Kobe? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, for one thing, the technological side of it,
Like I had to be pretty technical. Whenever a challenge
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would come up, I would have to do some research
and figure out how to how to manage that. Uh,
even the equipment we have today took a process. So
like if you if you listen to the earlier ones,
it sounds so much different than it does now. And
so there was just like growth inside of that process. Um.
But even just like you know, being willing to uh
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always struggle with jumping into a conversation, and so I
think that you know, it made it to where I'm
you know, had to. I had to develop that a
little bit. You know, It's like I still have more
room to grow inside of those things. But at the
same time, it's like there has been development inside of
that uh that area, and even just you know, thinking
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about possible topics in and knowing that not everything that
I bring is um going to be necessarily a good
idea like on brand or whatever we want to do
inside the podcast, but it was still like a valued idea.
Just so just being willing to that mean that builds
a sense of vulnerability. It's like I'm willing to share
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something even though it's shot down, and I know it's
still valued. You know. You know, collaboration is just that
kolbe when you're partnering with somebody to do something. It
doesn't mean that yeah, that's because for the one good idea,
there may have been four that they weren't bad ideas,
but they just weren't the idea. Yeah, you know, so
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yeah yeah, or even like what we name these what
we name the podcast is sometimes the hardest thing, you know,
or what we write up about it or anything. And
so just even inside of that learning how to think
in different ways of just like how is you know,
in communications like sometimes and what the things that we've
been doing. It's not a two way conversation, So it's
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learned to think in a way that we share something
in it and it conveys a message to where there's
not like some follow up question or something, you know.
And so I think so even inside of that form
of communication, it's something that it's helped me think in
a different way. And even now, I mean it's that
thing is going to continue to go even without being
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involved in the podcast, but just inside the magazine and
and what information we put out on social media and everything,
it's forming a different way of how to engage in
a thought, you know, not like here's a recipe for
how you do something every time, But it's just learning
a new way to think and so that that's been
a process that's I don't know how like tangible it
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can be, but it's definitely something that's that's real, that's
happened in the background. Yeah that's good man, that's good.
You know. So aside to from like this personal process
that both you and I have had inside of producing
this kind of media, UM, we've also put out a
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lot of good information for bear hunters, and not just
bear hunters. I told somebody the other day about one
in every five bear Hunting magazine podcast we talked about
bear hunting. Uh. So you know, for somebody that maybe
has isn't familiar with the style of content that we have. UM,
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we don't always talk about bear hunting. We've we've kind
of let this podcast be a platform for just whatever
we wanted to talk about that was outdoor related, hunting related.
I mean, we've had some to this day some of
the most commented on podcasts that we it had to
do with the ones on raising kids and building family culture. Yeah.
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I mean I think the last night I got a big,
long email from some guy that had never listened to
our podcasts. But kind of started listening to several of
them found that one, and then when he did, he
started listening to all the rest of him. I mean,
that doesn't directly tie the bear hunting. That was a
idea it probably it was. It was building family culture.
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Yeah yeah, so but to me, it's it all fits
so well together because I mean I always say this,
but hunting, the actual acquisition of wild protein is always
about something bigger, and that's something bigger has always been
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about feeding your family, feeding people, and so like to
be some great hunter, and we say it all the time,
but to be some great hunter, but to be to
to not be a successful husband and father or mother, Um,
there's a hole inside of that, you know. Yeah. Well,
even the idea for that podcast wasn't like, oh, this
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is what people want to hear. It was because I
feel like the thing inside of the podcast that we've
done is trying to be authentic. So it's like it
was something that you could authentically speak to because it
was something that you actively build and pursue inside of
your life, and it's and so it wasn't like a
stretch to say, ho, let's do a podcast about this.
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It was this reflects like authenticity inside of what happens here,
you know. And so I feel like inside of all
these podcasts, it's been kind of a reflection of what's
authentically something that you would do. Like even like the
Snake podcast with Chris Jenkins, it was like you have
a fascination for snakes, you know, and uh, the same
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thing with like personal development, white tail hunting, squirrel hunting,
coon hunting you oh uh. And just like valuing people,
I think that's one of the common threats too. So
like the or Province podcast or you know, Most Shepherd
or James Lawrence or your dad, like just all these people,
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it's like it wasn't like it's not that they're valued
because of what they've done, is because of who they are,
and they've they found a lifestyle and they they lived
that lifestyle out that they were just they were authentic
to you know, And I think that was really like
one of the driving forces inside the podcast was was that,
you know, it's something that you might not be able
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to nail down at times. But I mean I was
thinking about even the Aaron Snyder podcast we did, It's
like we didn't ask him questions that you would hear
you know him asked on another podcast, and so that
kind of identifies the value that we have or what
we see as value inside of the podcast, inside of hunting,
inside of our own lives. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's
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good insight. And we have sought to be authentic and
and at times that authenticity is just giving out good
bear information, which we have. You know. Uh, it would
be fun to go back through all the titles of
the hundred and fifteen podcasts, because some of some of
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them were just like tactical, like dummies guy debating bears,
how to how to judge bears, judge bears, um, you know,
utilizing bear meat and bear fat, like, some of them
were really practical, um and and functional. And I think
that's really important because you know, I mean we do
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have a I mean inside of the context of what
we're doing at Barony Magazine, I mean, we are trying
to give people bear hunting information. But I think what
we what we did was we maybe drew a lot
of people that weren't bear hunters into this world through
other things that they were interested in, whether it be
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squirrel hunting or deer hunting or family stuff or and
then they got here and they they saw something, maybe
they got interested in bear hunting, And I don't really care.
I mean, yeah, I do have I do want people
to be interested in bear hunting, but not just for
the sake of people going out and killing more bear.
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I mean, like, I'm interested in bear hunting because people
getting interested. I'm interested in people getting interested in bear
hunting because I feel like it's a critical component of
the North American hunting model, and also know that it
is a part of the model that is in jeopardy
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because of anti hunting sentiment and many different other things. Culturally,
I mean, just just the idea that the average person
you walk up to on the street be fun to
do this, Like just go ask somebody, do you humans
eat bear? In um, It depends on where you were
asking that question. Some places, you know, probably eight out
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of ten would say yes. Some places ten out of
ten would say no. So just this kind of cultural
idea that bears aren't a usable resource, it's actually detrimental
to the whole of North American hunting. Yeah, So that's
why I think it's good to educate people about bear hunting,
Educate people about the commodities that we get from bear
hunting and how we actually use more of a bear
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than we do in almost any other kind of critter
that we hunt. In this connection to food and wildlife
related commodities, utilitary and resource of wildlife is really a
strong point of relevancy in is we continue to rebrand
what hunting is to a population that often doesn't understand.
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And so by us being able to put a good
light on bear hunting, I think strengthens the whole of
North American hunting. And so that's why it's important for
people to be bear hunters, I think, and to just
have an understanding of it. I had we had a
call this morning from a guy from Western Tennessee and
he had found the podcast and subscribed and he was
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calling to renew and he just said, you know, I
get this and I read it cover to cover as
soon as I get it. He said, it's one of
two magazines that up to subscribe to and I have
no plans of bear hunting, but I really like love
the magazine. And so inside of that he has a
really positive light of of what bear hunting looks like.
In an appreciation for him even though he doesn't, you know,
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plan on hunting him himself, you know, unless the population
in western Tennessee explodes, and you know, maybe in that scenario.
But I thought that was really interesting that you really
love the magazine and what what this what's putting out
being put out without any drive to pursue them yourself.
And uh, but at the same time he's he's learning
the value of them and you know, you could tell
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he valued them and in this type of hunting and
that uh that we do. Um, I just thought that
was pretty cool. Man. I love people from Tennessee. Yeah, did.
It was a real pleasure to talk to you typical Tennessee.
And I'm telling you, man there, did you know that, um,
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the Ozarks were settled at one time, like over half
of the people that lived in the Ozarks had directly
migrated from Tennessee. I did not know that. Okay, now
you do. Now you know why I love people from
Tennessee because it's our cultures are a mirror reflection. Yeah.
Oh no, that's good. And that's good. Intel man. Well,
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don't for a minute think that because we're not producing
this podcast, that we're not producing our our our magazine.
Because bare Honting Magazine is uh is going to continue
to function, and we're excited that this new podcast, um,
which isn't And I'm gonna go ahead and leak a
small bit of intel about the content of this podcast.
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It's not there focus. Now. Could I speak for more
than ten minutes without talking about Bear? Probably not? Okay,
you following me, I'm but it's not Bear focused like
like this like our podcast has been. So I think
that would excite a lot of people maybe or you know,
it would be like, oh, okay, what's it about then, Clay,
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You'll have to find out, is what I would say. Yeah. Um,
so we're excited about it and uh and we're I
think it's gonna free Zue up to even continue to
make our print magazine even better, better content. I really do.
It's gonna be good. Yeah, It's definitely gonna free up
some time for me to focus on those things more. Yeah. Yeah, great. Well,
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what I wanted to do just briefly was talk about
kind of a few experiences that I've had. I kind
of tell gave a general overview of the podcast, but
there are several that stand out to me that would
be like, um, just behind the scenes things that when
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I think about this two and a half years of
doing this podcast. What stood out to me and I
want you to I want you to think about it,
to Kobe, like like be thinking of and the like
us going somewhere or somebody that was here that you know,
just let's just talk a little bit about it. But
the first the first one that I wanted to talk
about as Ori Province, um Ori Province, It's It's The
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episode was Old Mountain Hunter. It was on our Greatest Hits.
A portion of it was on our Greatest Hits podcast.
I interviewed Ori Province ten years ago and oor he
lives way out in the mountains um for Arkansas. He
lives about as far back as you can live. And
most shepherd told me about our province and he said, hey,
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there's an old man that lives, you know, down in
this place and he's killed two huge bucks and you
ought to go interview and it was for a different magazine.
I go to or Province's house meet him and he's
just a he's a relic, you know, I mean, like
he is like uh for for and I met him, well,
I would have been like two thousand twelve or something.
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I mean, at the time of it was just he
was a relic of a man, you know, not influenced
by the trends of the times very much. And he'd
lived out there his whole life was a logger, was
all this. And uh, I took a photograph of him
with his deer head hanging on a barn and or
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he was a not a very tall guy. Or he
was probably five ft seven or six maybe, and uh,
he he was standing in front of his barn, and
he had a big set of shed antlers in his hands,
standing by one of his big bucks. And I caught
him in this photo laughing. And I showed that picture
to my wife years ago, and she said, My wife
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said something to me that kind of shaped the way
that I thought about what I was doing. And she said, Clay,
you're a cultural anthropologist. Like I mean, she said it
in such a way that I mean, it wasn't. I
just was like, what do you mean by that? You know,
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anthropology is the the study of of humans and the
study of human history and um. And she said, that
picture is special. You captured something of the ozarks that's unique.
And uh, and it kind of to me. I was
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I didn't know what I was doing when I interviewed
this guy and that kind of put some It didn't
really define anything for me because I didn't change anything
any way that I was doing anything, but it kind
of gave value to what I was doing as I
was going to some of these guys and talking to
him and UM. Later I would come back into a
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podcast with Or almost ten years later, went back and
did a podcast and I loved it. When Mr Or
I said, do you know what a podcast is? And
he said, nope, I never heard of her. And in Uh,
we recorded this podcast with him and UM a month later,
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Or Province was ninety one at the time, and a
month later Or he passed away, and we had this
hour and a half to two hour conversation about his life.
You know, most of it was about his life. It
wasn't even about his hunting, even though we did talk
about hunting. His wife was there, she talked, and Uh,
(32:55):
it was just special, Like I just was grateful I
would have had that conversation with him if we were
recording it or not, and it would have been like
highly valuable had my son with me. UM. And we
portray values to our children in so many ways, but
the biggest way is by just what we value and
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what we expose them to. My dad was kind of
a in a way, an armchair cultural anthropologist or or
now that I like, you know, kind of evaluate the
things that I enjoy and value. I got it from
him because my dad used to take me. If some
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of my most bright memories as a kid was my
dad taken me two some old and there's one guy
in particular that I see in my mind and I
don't even know his name, I know where he lived,
but but it was a I mean, just as country
a man as there is in Arkansas. And this guy
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killed buck and my dad knew him. And Dad met
the guy somewhere and the guy told him he killed
a big buck, and Dad said, hey, we'd like to
come out to your house and see it. I mean,
my dad loved big deer. And so we drove out
there and I remember hearing that man talk and seeing
his house and seeing the way that he lived. And
they were poor, they were dirt poor. And my dad,
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who was a banker, my dad was a professional, I mean,
he was like a you know, I saw the value
that he attributed to that man. And as a kid,
that really impacted me because Dad didn't diminish that guy
for being dirt poor, And I mean I had stark
recollection that this man's life was different than mine just
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and uh oh, my dad painted that guy like he
was a hero. And that stuck with me forever. And
he didn't do that just once. He we did that
like my whole childhood. Somebody to kill a big deer
and we drive to go see it, and we'd talked
to that person. And sometimes people we knew, sometimes people
we didn't. And so that's kind of the like going
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to some guy's house and talking to him and interviewing
him was like kind of second nature. You know. My
dad wasn't recording what he was doing, but essentially he
was the other thing. And I'm kind of off on
a different tangent with my dad, But my dad, I
remember when right before hunting season he would get on
(35:30):
the phone and talk to his hunting buddies. And you know,
back in the day, just picking up a telephone in
your house is the way you communicated. So you wouldn't
be talking about your cell phone in a truck. You know,
you go back home and once they got dark and
you had dinner, you'd pick up the phone and dial
somebody's home phone number and they'd pick up the phone. Well,
we had two phones in the house, one in the
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front and one in the back. And when he'd called
John Mesco to talk about deer hunting that weekend, I'd say, Hey, Dad,
can I get on the other end? Can I on
the other phone and listen to y'all talk? And so
I'd go to the back bedroom and pick up the
phone and I wouldn't say a word, I just listen,
and I'd listen to them talk about deer hunting. And
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now I recognize the influence that just listening to those
men talk had on me. Now that inside of a podcast,
this is what I'm doing all the time. And I
I valued, uh, listening to grown men talk. No, but
and my dad probably put that inside of me, But
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it was kind of innate, almost like if two men
were talking, I was gonna be like eavesdropping. I was
gonna be listening to what they said, not saying anything, um,
but just listening and UM. So I said all that
to say like that or province podcast to me just
stands out. It's like really unique, partly because he's not
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with us anymore. And I realized what a jewel it
was to have that audio recording and and his family
is what told me that, you know, his family now
has that recording which they wouldn't have had before. That
has value for them. You know. Um, that one stands
out to me that podcast. Do any of them stand
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out to you, Kobe? I mean that one does. That
was one of the first ones that that we did
after I had gotten here. I think I remember meeting
you in chef ad had a restaurant afterwards, like kind
of halfway in between. Yeah, you weren't there, but you
you came down and I called you were at the
office and I called you and said, hey, we're gonna
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we're gonna eat lunch over here. You ought to meet us. Yeah,
so it was it was It was cool. I you know,
I think I remember just kind of the scenarios around
podcast more than the actual content and just the people themselves.
I know that the when when we did our kind
of like month hand a podcast tour, it was fun.
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We just do one after the other and just drive
here and then drive a couple of hours and then
do another one, and uh, just you know the people,
you know, getting to meet the different people and and
people that a lot of times you can look at
it's just their drive. It's something that they chose to pursue.
And I think that there's a lot of value inside
of that too. Uh. Even like at the beginning of
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COVID when we went up to the to the college
and talked to oh I forget his name about just
the history inside of inside of people that were in
this you know, Arkansas region and all the books that
he he had written. It's like, man, this guy has driven,
you know, to just eat up everything they could and
(38:43):
listen to well listen to podcasts like you know, and
everything surrounding like Keith Sutton and and everything that he did,
the life he had and and uh, everything that he pursued,
and then just like hearing about like what his life's
like now, you know. Uh, it's just you see, I'm
attracted to authenticity and just people that are genuine and
(39:04):
so even these like just being around James or Hearing,
you know, being on the podcast with him or or
mo or Hearing Advances the no podcast um Or when
we recorded a podcast up in Washington with the guys
from du with with um Buddy and and Jason Buddy
and Jason w Yeah, so I don't know. I mean,
(39:27):
just as far as content, it's hard for me to
nail one down, but I just remember all the things
surrounding them. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime we did if if, if
there was a podcast done, it was encased by usually
a lot of relationship around it, you know. I mean
sometimes we interviewed strangers, uh, or you know, people we
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didn't know that well. Um. But the one thing that
we did that is pretty rare, maybe maybe like really rare,
is we never did an internet based podcast. Every single
hundred and fifteen of the hundred and fifteen episodes were
done in person, even through covid um. And that was
(40:12):
something that we wanted to do because I didn't I
didn't feel like, um, I just felt like it would
be more authentic and like people were like Clay, well,
you're limiting yourself so much on your guests. It almost
felt like it was cheating. Like if I use the internet,
I could get any guests in the outdoor world that
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you know, would agree to come on the show. And
I don't know why, but I just wasn't interested in that.
I mean I could have got and I could name
like ten big names you know that, you know, and
I could have had him on the show, but I'd
rather have most Shepherd or a province. Brent Reeves, Jonathan Wilkins.
I mean that guys that I can go beat with
and talk to it. I mean sometimes we were traveling,
(40:56):
I mean like going to Montana with Gym sessions of
Husk Mall and oh jeez, we've been all over the place.
And I didn't mean you forget Brent. I can't forget
old Brent Reeves. He's always there. He's like the Life
Nation podcast. Yeah, you don't have to mention Brent for
him to be there. No, No, So you know, that
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was a decision that we made that I think ended
up paying off big time, which wouldn't make sense, Like
like people ask me that and they're like, well, people
don't just ask me that. Like the daily battle that
I had for the last two years is people messaging
me saying, hey, you need to have this guy on
your podcast, and the guy lives in New York and
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I I just have this like scripted thing that I write. Hey, man,
I'm sure there would be awesome to have that guy on,
but we only do in person podcasts, you know, So
like you know, if I were up there or if
he were down here, or we're in the same place,
i'd be glad to do it. But but that was important,
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I think, um, because it it there was more invested
in it. You know. It kind of feels a little
bit cheap to me personally doing internet stuff. And not
to say that I won't do that in the future,
because on the next version of this podcast there will
be some interased internet based stuff. It just kind of
has to be for what we're doing, for the uniqueness
of what we're doing, and that will be okay, but uh,
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but for this little section of time, that's what we did.
To me, there were like categories of podcasts that we
did that were really distinct and one of them would
be like Dori Province podcast where we met with usually
an older person, old timer. Um. And there were several
that were very distinctive to me that we're just will
(42:49):
be hallmarks forever in my life those times I spent
with those guys. Um. One of them would be the
podcast I've done with James Lawrence, my kind of personal
mentor really good friend that I just have deep perspect for.
The second one would be Roy clark Man old Roy
Clark over in East Tennessee and Ira all Roy and
(43:10):
Ira Man, incredible guys. I mean, man, when you talk
to a Roy Clark again. He may have known what
a podcast was because someone told him that I was
coming and I was gonna do a podcast. But Roy
would be the same way. You'd be like, Roy, you
want to be on a podcast. I'd be like, sure,
what's that? I mean, these guys did what they did
(43:31):
not to get famer notoriety. They did it because they
loved it. And uh, you know when Roy cried on
our podcast, like that was a moment I'll never forget.
And what was he doing. He was talking about his
buddy and that was sitting across the room from and
that wasn't even in the podcast. It was on our
highlight reel and um and when Roy said, uh, he
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said that his friend when he was in the fourth
grade wrote him a Valentine's card that said we bear hunters,
ain't we? Roy? And uh, ma'am, you just can't. You
can't write that kind of stuff. And I I've used
that since then. I made a post the other day
on Instagram which is essentially the modern Valentine's card and
(44:19):
I had a picture of Shepherd and Bear and my
nephew Christian and I were coon hunting, and I said,
we coon hunters, Um, but no Roy Clark Man incredible,
incredible conversation we had with him Advance. I can't. I
can't talk about our podcast without talking about Advance. And
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that was a really unique one because we went all
the way to California for that UM and went to
his house. That one was a stretch because he didn't
know me. I didn't know him. I just read the
man's book and I was like, this is a guy
I want to talk to. And uh, we went to California,
him up and they treated us like we were family,
(45:03):
you know, And I brought my whole family to his house.
And to this day, you know, we're friends with with
Ed and his wife and just incredible people. Um. I'm
I'm scrolling through here on some of these other podcasts, Uh,
you know, i'd i'd categorized him O Shepherd in that
(45:23):
same category to most been on several times and and
MO most not quite an old guy. If he's listening
to this, I'm gonna give him the I mean, I'm
not gonna call him an old guy because he still
probably walk up mountains better than me, But Bud, he
but mo. The The other thing that we did that
people loved and that I loved was we interviewed a
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lot of biologists. I got right down to the nitty gritty.
I've always loved biology. I've always loved people that actually
had the data, had the research. It wasn't anecdotal, it
wasn't just like a hunter that just had these isolated observations,
even though would they be a lifetime of observations. Sometimes
biology tells a different story and I don't I don't
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want to be caught up in the wrong facts, and
I think, you know, science helps us not do that.
So we met with my Iron Means and Sarah Lyda
and uh Laura Conley and uh other biologists. Who else
did we meet with? Um? I hope I'm not missing somebody.
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Those were the main ones, and we met with them
even several times at different times over in Oklahoma. Oh yeah,
Jeff Ford, Yeah, my buddy Jeff Ford over in Oklahoma.
Bara biologists. UM, incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. We uh. But
we also did a lot of detailed, tactical style podcast
(46:53):
so we had like these the the the interview in
the old Guys Biologists, and then I would say tactical
how to stuff that. Oftentimes I'd have Brent Reeves, Ryan
Grab or other experts. Uh. Heath Martin was on one
of them. Uh mo would have been categorized in one
(47:16):
of those, um and where we where we would just
nail down specific stuff and tactics. And some of those
podcasts are are great resources that we refer to people
all the time. Somebody will write us and be like, hey,
tell me about baiting bears and we'll go, Man, just
listen to that podcast. We talked about it and told
everything that we knew. So those are important judging black bears,
(47:39):
uh black bear shot placement. Um. We also had some
fun storytelling podcasts. Brent Reeves and on episode that Eddie
Ford did a Dueling Stories podcast which was about an
hour and fifteen minutes long where we just swap stories.
Just I would tell a story, then he'd tell a story.
I'd tell the story, he'd tell the story, and we
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we told some good ones. Um. But we we also
had some We had Cam Spinks on the podcast Country
music Guy talked about his hunting and his music, and
he was on what was he on the voice the Voice,
Blake Shelton's the Voice, and he talked about that we
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went and visited old Ted Nugent. Yeah, that was a
unique podcast for sure. Um oh man, the stories we
can tell about that, you just have to go listen
to the podcast. We Ted welcomed us into his home.
They were both very hospitable, very hospitable. Um, just very
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unique people. Yeah, for sure. We also had a lot
of in the field podcasts that were that we're talking
about what we're doing, Like if we're in Montana bear hunting,
we'd do a podcast like in the field if we
did want an elk hunt in Montana. I've done many
podcasts in the field in Arkansas, like at a camp,
(49:08):
at a Turkey camp, at our bear camp, at our
deer camps, um, around the Yeah, we've done podcast in
outfitters camps and those are always really good. Get some
good intel, kind of get a feel for what it's
like to hunt in that particular place. Um. Credible stuff. Man. Well, Hey,
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the main thing that I want to portray is that
this season of interviewing people in these long form formats
has been special to me. I've enjoyed it and I
hope you have to. And all these podcasts will remain
available as the new meat Eat podcasts begins, they will
(49:50):
remain available so you'll be able to go back and
listen to these or share them or whatever, and I
hope that you will. Kolbe closing thoughts, It's been a
fun right, been a fun ride. Yeah, a lot of value. Yep. Well,
thank you all for for listening to us and for
(50:11):
the support just that you've given us by listening, by
supporting our advertiser, all the you know, I'm gonna ding
all the bells, you know, just just the support that
you've given us, subscribing to Barroonning magazine, buying merchandise from us,
all that stuff is uh, we do deeply appreciate it.
(50:32):
And as we sign off for the final time in
this format, the Barrowning Magazine podcast, which it's not just
this format, I mean Bear Hunting Magazine podcast is no
more and uh truly think I think all of you guys, gals, kids,
we appreciate it. And for the last time, keep the
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wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Yep.
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Colby moorehead. Hey, welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Global headquarters. Man,
this covid stuff has it's knocked out. Colby has been
uh working remotely, yeah, we'll say, yeah, but working hard. Yeah,
(03:05):
working hard. Bear Hunting Magazine, North Hunting Magazine North. Hey,
you know that we're deep in the heart of squirrel
a pellooza really, oh of course, yeah, this is deep
deep in the heart of squirrel the palooza one which
is uh where me and the kids and many other
(03:26):
families are. We haven't been able to go every day because,
you know, sometimes we have something going on in the evening.
Usually we're hunting in the evenings. But we're trying to
squirrel hunt as absolute much as possible over the next
sixty days. Is this increasing your squirrel craft your squirrel crafting,
oh my ability to make arts and crafts with squirrel stuff. Yeah,
(03:49):
ornaments are done. It's not that season, so like like
I'm already making some Christmas ornaments for next year. Well,
Kolby is referring to as a video that I made
for Meat Eat, where I made a Christmas ornament out
of squirrel tales. I want to read you a text
message that I sent to a friend of mine a
few days ago. He says, Clay, if you end up
(04:13):
doing any squirrel hunting this week, and it would work
to have folks join. We're super interested. And this is
a friend of mine I hunt with and his kids.
And I say, yes, probably go tomorrow. We may go
this evening for the last hour. He says, We're up
for both. Just let me know, all right. And this
is sometimes things just come out of your mouth and
you realize that it's that the that the that the
(04:38):
energy behind it is deeper than even what you realized
when you said it. Okay, looking forward to And I
said ten four stand by, squirrel of Pellooza is raging
and the flame blows hither and yonder at its will.
So poetic, and uh so, what I was trying to
(05:01):
say is I don't know if we're gonna go this
afternoon or tomorrow afternoon, but I'll let you know. So
Squirrel Peluza, We're we're gonna try to go this afternoon
if it's not too cold. Um there, not not too cold.
That's not what I meant to say. What I'm meant
to say. If it's not raining. Cold does not affect squirrel.
The Pelluza was a little surprised rain does affect squirrel. Pelouza, Well, hey,
(05:24):
we're gonna get right into the heart of of this
monumental episode of the Bare Honey magazine podcast. Um, we
we need to break some news to people, Colby that
that really no one would know. Uh. People may have
noticed in the last two weeks we haven't put out
a podcast. They might have just speculated that it was
(05:47):
like the holidays or something. Um, but it was It's
a little bit deeper than that, and this is really
a Uh we're extremely excited to say that this is
the final episode of the Bear Honey magazine podcast. Yep.
Those words are They may seem counterintuitive because I said,
(06:10):
we're excited to say that this is the final Bear
Hunting Magazine podcast episode. Yep. We currently have made how
many podcasts have we made? A hundred and this will
hundred and fifteen podcasts. So basically, for the last two
and a half years, we have produced a weekly podcast,
(06:30):
maybe just missing a week or two random times. The
reason I'm excited to say this, Colby, is because we
have a big announcement that I think it's gonna make
everybody happy, is that we are starting a new podcast.
So though this is not though this is the last
episode of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast in its current form,
(06:54):
this is not the last that you're gonna hear from this. Uh.
This this chance annal and we're starting a podcast with
meat Eater as we as we told people before, I
now work for meat Eater, also work for Bear Hunting Magazine.
None of that's changed. Um, I still publish an edit
(07:18):
Bear Hunting Magazine. You still work for bar Haunting Magazine.
Bear Hunting Magazine has never been better. Um. And but
I do work for meat Eater, you know. And it's
been an incredible three months. And from the very beginning
we have been formulating with meat Eater a podcast. And
(07:39):
as many people know, meat Eater has a suite of podcasts. People,
unless you're really paying attention, sometimes this isn't it's not intuitive.
But there is such a thing as the meat Eater podcast.
Let's just speak clear here. The Meteator podcast is Steve
Ronelli's podcast. Okay, meat Eater to the company has a
(08:00):
suite of podcasts, and those podcasts, aside from the meter podcast,
would be the Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien, Wired to
Hunt with Mark Kenyon, Bent with Joseph Mellie and Miles Nolte,
Umw's We Can Review with Ryan Callahan and Warren Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(08:26):
I'm coaching. When you when you say them all on
the line, it's hard. Well, there's gonna be another one,
and it's gonna be it's gonna be a podcast that
I'm gonna do for me eater, Okay, And we can't
go into extreme detail or much details all other than that,
if you are currently subscribed to this RSS feed, one
day in the near future, you're gonna wake up and
(08:51):
you're gonna look on your phone and it's gonna say boom,
something that's gonna say podcast and you might even see
a picture of me. I don't know, maybe not. Don't
look for a picture of me. Just it's gonna say podcasts,
not meat Eater, and you need to listen to that
(09:12):
podcast because we're doing something different. We're doing something that's
very different than this, and I'm very confident that it's
gonna be enjoyable, and it's been enjoyable for me so far.
It really has been very very neat stuff. So stay tuned,
(09:34):
just keep watching your podcast feed. And all I can
say is sometime in the near future, this RSS feed
will transition into that media podcast. So there we haven't
there it is. Um. What I wanted to do today
on this final episode was kind of go back and
(09:57):
track a little bit of our our history pod casting
and maybe me even tell a little bit of my
personal journey into this form of media. And um, and
I want to hear some of your stuff too, Coldy.
You know, for the last year and a half, almost
two years, I guess you've been producing the podcast for me. Um.
(10:20):
But let me say that I originally was hesitant to
get into podcasting. I was a little bit late to
the game of podcasting. Five years ago podcasts where like
like everybody started to have podcasting, and every month forward
that we went from that time, it was like, you
(10:40):
need a podcast, you need a podcast. People were telling me, Clay,
you ought to do a podcast, You ought to do
a podcast, And to be honest with you, I was
leary to do it because first of all, I just
wasn't sure that I wasn't sure how if it would
be valuable to people. And secondly, from a real per
personal position, Kolbe. All these forms of media that I
(11:04):
had done in the past allowed me to kind of
script how I wanted to be portrayed and how much
of myself that I showed people. Those other forms of
media allowed me to be very conservative with those things.
For instance, like video, Like you might you might think
(11:26):
that video is like, oh wow, they're seeing your face.
They're here and you talk, they're seeing what you do. Well,
if you're making video, you you can be very you.
You release what you want to release. Um, if you're
being a writer magazine, I mean you're hidden behind a
whole bunch of other stuff. Uh, you don't have you
You you tell the reader what you want to tell
the reader. Podcast is pretty different. And I'm not saying
(11:50):
I don't have control of what I say, because I do.
But when you have an hour to two hours every
week of free flow comp versation with another person, you
reveal a whole lot about who you are. And up
until two and a half years ago, I was not
comfortable with that. I just didn't. I just didn't feel
(12:11):
like it was the right time. And something happened and
I was just like, Okay, now's the time, and in
my kind of journey. Many things have come about that way,
just like it wasn't right, It wasn't right, it wasn't right,
and then all of a sudden it felt right, and
I pulled the trigger. And when I pulled the trigger
(12:33):
on anything, I tried to do it to the best
of my ability, to try to make it as good
as I could. And so I committed to making a
weekly podcast and that ended up being like really significant
for us and for our business, and not necessarily financially.
(12:53):
I don't want to paint the picture that someone would
think that like you're living in a dream world if
you think you're to get rich off a podcast like ours.
I mean, it's just not um. But inside of our
business and inside of our mission statement of what we're
trying to do in the bare Hunting world and in
the honey world in general, and inside of this being
(13:15):
a small business that me and you run, UM, it
became really valuable to us, definitely because people, you know,
people got to know us, people got to know what
we valued, people got to see some really valuable, incredible people,
(13:36):
you know. And uh so the Bare Honey Magazine podcast
for me was a developmental tool personally, Like I tell
I say this to some people, is that you know,
human communication is like an extremely important part of our
lives and whatever field you live in. I mean, you
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may think you don't need to communicate, but you do.
And uh, to practice communicating in a thoughtful way is
it is very developmental, especially when you're talking with experts,
or you're talking with people that have some knowledge that
you don't have, or you're trying to mind something out
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of them that you know they have that maybe they
don't even know they have, but you see it. And Uh,
I can go back to the first podcast that I
did two and a half years ago, and I can
hear a difference in the way that I think and
talk even and inside of my life. Colbe moorehead, I
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value personal development at all levels. Um, I'm not happy
with the human that I am today. I mean, I'm content,
but I know that there's developmental processes inside of me
that are good. It's good for me to stretch myself
and to grow in knowledge and all all kind of stuff.
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And to me, the podcast has been a massive platform
for personal development. I've had to overcome. Uh. I mean
you may not hear it, but I mean there's been
times in this podcast when I have had overcome insecurity
and fear. Um, there's been there's been administrative difficulties on
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organizing and getting things set up. And I mean we've
we've traveled extensively at times just for the podcast to
go meet people, which may not have made sense. It's like, golly,
you're gonna drive eight hours one way and do it
to our podcast and turn around and come back. Um.
You know it took dedication, sacrifice, some discipline, some time management,
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all these things, and I think those things are really
positive for sure. And uh, I know it was development
inside of you. And you know you've not been on
every podcast, I mean so, but you've you've been on
a lot of them, and you put your hands on
almost all of them on the back side of production
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and different things, and a lot of them would have
been you know, you would have had influence that people
wouldn't see, like maybe an idea for a podcast, or
how you ought to talk to that person or this person,
and uh, can you speak to that in any way? Kobe? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, for one thing, the technological side of it,
Like I had to be pretty technical. Whenever a challenge
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would come up, I would have to do some research
and figure out how to how to manage that. Uh,
even the equipment we have today took a process. So
like if you if you listen to the earlier ones,
it sounds so much different than it does now. And
so there was just like growth inside of that process. Um.
But even just like you know, being willing to uh
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always struggle with jumping into a conversation, and so I
think that you know, it made it to where I'm
you know, had to. I had to develop that a
little bit. You know, It's like I still have more
room to grow inside of those things. But at the
same time, it's like there has been development inside of
that uh that area, and even just you know, thinking
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about possible topics in and knowing that not everything that
I bring is um going to be necessarily a good
idea like on brand or whatever we want to do
inside the podcast, but it was still like a valued idea.
Just so just being willing to that mean that builds
a sense of vulnerability. It's like I'm willing to share
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something even though it's shot down, and I know it's
still valued. You know. You know, collaboration is just that
kolbe when you're partnering with somebody to do something. It
doesn't mean that yeah, that's because for the one good idea,
there may have been four that they weren't bad ideas,
but they just weren't the idea. Yeah, you know, so
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yeah yeah, or even like what we name these what
we name the podcast is sometimes the hardest thing, you know,
or what we write up about it or anything. And
so just even inside of that learning how to think
in different ways of just like how is you know,
in communications like sometimes and what the things that we've
been doing. It's not a two way conversation, So it's
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learned to think in a way that we share something
in it and it conveys a message to where there's
not like some follow up question or something, you know.
And so I think so even inside of that form
of communication, it's something that it's helped me think in
a different way. And even now, I mean it's that
thing is going to continue to go even without being
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involved in the podcast, but just inside the magazine and
and what information we put out on social media and everything,
it's forming a different way of how to engage in
a thought, you know, not like here's a recipe for
how you do something every time, But it's just learning
a new way to think and so that that's been
a process that's I don't know how like tangible it
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can be, but it's definitely something that's that's real, that's
happened in the background. Yeah that's good man, that's good.
You know. So aside to from like this personal process
that both you and I have had inside of producing
this kind of media, UM, we've also put out a
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lot of good information for bear hunters, and not just
bear hunters. I told somebody the other day about one
in every five bear Hunting magazine podcast we talked about
bear hunting. Uh. So you know, for somebody that maybe
has isn't familiar with the style of content that we have. UM,
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we don't always talk about bear hunting. We've we've kind
of let this podcast be a platform for just whatever
we wanted to talk about that was outdoor related, hunting related.
I mean, we've had some to this day some of
the most commented on podcasts that we it had to
do with the ones on raising kids and building family culture. Yeah.
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I mean I think the last night I got a big,
long email from some guy that had never listened to
our podcasts. But kind of started listening to several of
them found that one, and then when he did, he
started listening to all the rest of him. I mean,
that doesn't directly tie the bear hunting. That was a
idea it probably it was. It was building family culture.
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Yeah yeah, so but to me, it's it all fits
so well together because I mean I always say this,
but hunting, the actual acquisition of wild protein is always
about something bigger, and that's something bigger has always been
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about feeding your family, feeding people, and so like to
be some great hunter, and we say it all the time,
but to be some great hunter, but to be to
to not be a successful husband and father or mother, Um,
there's a hole inside of that, you know. Yeah. Well,
even the idea for that podcast wasn't like, oh, this
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is what people want to hear. It was because I
feel like the thing inside of the podcast that we've
done is trying to be authentic. So it's like it
was something that you could authentically speak to because it
was something that you actively build and pursue inside of
your life, and it's and so it wasn't like a
stretch to say, ho, let's do a podcast about this.
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It was this reflects like authenticity inside of what happens here,
you know. And so I feel like inside of all
these podcasts, it's been kind of a reflection of what's
authentically something that you would do. Like even like the
Snake podcast with Chris Jenkins, it was like you have
a fascination for snakes, you know, and uh, the same
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thing with like personal development, white tail hunting, squirrel hunting,
coon hunting you oh uh. And just like valuing people,
I think that's one of the common threats too. So
like the or Province podcast or you know, Most Shepherd
or James Lawrence or your dad, like just all these people,
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it's like it wasn't like it's not that they're valued
because of what they've done, is because of who they are,
and they've they found a lifestyle and they they lived
that lifestyle out that they were just they were authentic
to you know, And I think that was really like
one of the driving forces inside the podcast was was that,
you know, it's something that you might not be able
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to nail down at times. But I mean I was
thinking about even the Aaron Snyder podcast we did, It's
like we didn't ask him questions that you would hear
you know him asked on another podcast, and so that
kind of identifies the value that we have or what
we see as value inside of the podcast, inside of hunting,
inside of our own lives. You know. Yeah, yeah, that's
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good insight. And we have sought to be authentic and
and at times that authenticity is just giving out good
bear information, which we have. You know. Uh, it would
be fun to go back through all the titles of
the hundred and fifteen podcasts, because some of some of
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them were just like tactical, like dummies guy debating bears,
how to how to judge bears, judge bears, um, you know,
utilizing bear meat and bear fat, like, some of them
were really practical, um and and functional. And I think
that's really important because you know, I mean we do
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have a I mean inside of the context of what
we're doing at Barony Magazine, I mean, we are trying
to give people bear hunting information. But I think what
we what we did was we maybe drew a lot
of people that weren't bear hunters into this world through
other things that they were interested in, whether it be
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squirrel hunting or deer hunting or family stuff or and
then they got here and they they saw something, maybe
they got interested in bear hunting, And I don't really care.
I mean, yeah, I do have I do want people
to be interested in bear hunting, but not just for
the sake of people going out and killing more bear.
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I mean, like, I'm interested in bear hunting because people
getting interested. I'm interested in people getting interested in bear
hunting because I feel like it's a critical component of
the North American hunting model, and also know that it
is a part of the model that is in jeopardy
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because of anti hunting sentiment and many different other things. Culturally,
I mean, just just the idea that the average person
you walk up to on the street be fun to
do this, Like just go ask somebody, do you humans
eat bear? In um, It depends on where you were
asking that question. Some places, you know, probably eight out
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of ten would say yes. Some places ten out of
ten would say no. So just this kind of cultural
idea that bears aren't a usable resource, it's actually detrimental
to the whole of North American hunting. Yeah, So that's
why I think it's good to educate people about bear hunting,
Educate people about the commodities that we get from bear
hunting and how we actually use more of a bear
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than we do in almost any other kind of critter
that we hunt. In this connection to food and wildlife
related commodities, utilitary and resource of wildlife is really a
strong point of relevancy in is we continue to rebrand
what hunting is to a population that often doesn't understand.
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And so by us being able to put a good
light on bear hunting, I think strengthens the whole of
North American hunting. And so that's why it's important for
people to be bear hunters, I think, and to just
have an understanding of it. I had we had a
call this morning from a guy from Western Tennessee and
he had found the podcast and subscribed and he was
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calling to renew and he just said, you know, I
get this and I read it cover to cover as
soon as I get it. He said, it's one of
two magazines that up to subscribe to and I have
no plans of bear hunting, but I really like love
the magazine. And so inside of that he has a
really positive light of of what bear hunting looks like.
In an appreciation for him even though he doesn't, you know,
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plan on hunting him himself, you know, unless the population
in western Tennessee explodes, and you know, maybe in that scenario.
But I thought that was really interesting that you really
love the magazine and what what this what's putting out
being put out without any drive to pursue them yourself.
And uh, but at the same time he's he's learning
the value of them and you know, you could tell
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he valued them and in this type of hunting and
that uh that we do. Um, I just thought that
was pretty cool. Man. I love people from Tennessee. Yeah, did.
It was a real pleasure to talk to you typical Tennessee.
And I'm telling you, man there, did you know that, um,
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the Ozarks were settled at one time, like over half
of the people that lived in the Ozarks had directly
migrated from Tennessee. I did not know that. Okay, now
you do. Now you know why I love people from
Tennessee because it's our cultures are a mirror reflection. Yeah.
Oh no, that's good. And that's good. Intel man. Well,
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don't for a minute think that because we're not producing
this podcast, that we're not producing our our our magazine.
Because bare Honting Magazine is uh is going to continue
to function, and we're excited that this new podcast, um,
which isn't And I'm gonna go ahead and leak a
small bit of intel about the content of this podcast.
(27:57):
It's not there focus. Now. Could I speak for more
than ten minutes without talking about Bear? Probably not? Okay,
you following me, I'm but it's not Bear focused like
like this like our podcast has been. So I think
that would excite a lot of people maybe or you know,
it would be like, oh, okay, what's it about then, Clay,
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You'll have to find out, is what I would say. Yeah. Um,
so we're excited about it and uh and we're I
think it's gonna free Zue up to even continue to
make our print magazine even better, better content. I really do.
It's gonna be good. Yeah, It's definitely gonna free up
some time for me to focus on those things more. Yeah. Yeah, great. Well,
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what I wanted to do just briefly was talk about
kind of a few experiences that I've had. I kind
of tell gave a general overview of the podcast, but
there are several that stand out to me that would
be like, um, just behind the scenes things that when
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I think about this two and a half years of
doing this podcast. What stood out to me and I
want you to I want you to think about it,
to Kobe, like like be thinking of and the like
us going somewhere or somebody that was here that you know,
just let's just talk a little bit about it. But
the first the first one that I wanted to talk
about as Ori Province, um Ori Province, It's It's The
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episode was Old Mountain Hunter. It was on our Greatest Hits.
A portion of it was on our Greatest Hits podcast.
I interviewed Ori Province ten years ago and oor he
lives way out in the mountains um for Arkansas. He
lives about as far back as you can live. And
most shepherd told me about our province and he said, hey,
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there's an old man that lives, you know, down in
this place and he's killed two huge bucks and you
ought to go interview and it was for a different magazine.
I go to or Province's house meet him and he's
just a he's a relic, you know, I mean, like
he is like uh for for and I met him, well,
I would have been like two thousand twelve or something.
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I mean, at the time of it was just he
was a relic of a man, you know, not influenced
by the trends of the times very much. And he'd
lived out there his whole life was a logger, was
all this. And uh, I took a photograph of him
with his deer head hanging on a barn and or
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he was a not a very tall guy. Or he
was probably five ft seven or six maybe, and uh,
he he was standing in front of his barn, and
he had a big set of shed antlers in his hands,
standing by one of his big bucks. And I caught
him in this photo laughing. And I showed that picture
to my wife years ago, and she said, My wife
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said something to me that kind of shaped the way
that I thought about what I was doing. And she said, Clay,
you're a cultural anthropologist. Like I mean, she said it
in such a way that I mean, it wasn't. I
just was like, what do you mean by that? You know,
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anthropology is the the study of of humans and the
study of human history and um. And she said, that
picture is special. You captured something of the ozarks that's unique.
And uh, and it kind of to me. I was
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I didn't know what I was doing when I interviewed
this guy and that kind of put some It didn't
really define anything for me because I didn't change anything
any way that I was doing anything, but it kind
of gave value to what I was doing as I
was going to some of these guys and talking to
him and UM. Later I would come back into a
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podcast with Or almost ten years later, went back and
did a podcast and I loved it. When Mr Or
I said, do you know what a podcast is? And
he said, nope, I never heard of her. And in Uh,
we recorded this podcast with him and UM a month later,
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Or Province was ninety one at the time, and a
month later Or he passed away, and we had this
hour and a half to two hour conversation about his life.
You know, most of it was about his life. It
wasn't even about his hunting, even though we did talk
about hunting. His wife was there, she talked, and Uh,
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it was just special, Like I just was grateful I
would have had that conversation with him if we were
recording it or not, and it would have been like
highly valuable had my son with me. UM. And we
portray values to our children in so many ways, but
the biggest way is by just what we value and
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what we expose them to. My dad was kind of
a in a way, an armchair cultural anthropologist or or
now that I like, you know, kind of evaluate the
things that I enjoy and value. I got it from
him because my dad used to take me. If some
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of my most bright memories as a kid was my
dad taken me two some old and there's one guy
in particular that I see in my mind and I
don't even know his name, I know where he lived,
but but it was a I mean, just as country
a man as there is in Arkansas. And this guy
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killed buck and my dad knew him. And Dad met
the guy somewhere and the guy told him he killed
a big buck, and Dad said, hey, we'd like to
come out to your house and see it. I mean,
my dad loved big deer. And so we drove out
there and I remember hearing that man talk and seeing
his house and seeing the way that he lived. And
they were poor, they were dirt poor. And my dad,
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who was a banker, my dad was a professional, I mean,
he was like a you know, I saw the value
that he attributed to that man. And as a kid,
that really impacted me because Dad didn't diminish that guy
for being dirt poor, And I mean I had stark
recollection that this man's life was different than mine just
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and uh oh, my dad painted that guy like he
was a hero. And that stuck with me forever. And
he didn't do that just once. He we did that
like my whole childhood. Somebody to kill a big deer
and we drive to go see it, and we'd talked
to that person. And sometimes people we knew, sometimes people
we didn't. And so that's kind of the like going
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to some guy's house and talking to him and interviewing
him was like kind of second nature. You know. My
dad wasn't recording what he was doing, but essentially he
was the other thing. And I'm kind of off on
a different tangent with my dad, But my dad, I
remember when right before hunting season he would get on
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the phone and talk to his hunting buddies. And you know,
back in the day, just picking up a telephone in
your house is the way you communicated. So you wouldn't
be talking about your cell phone in a truck. You know,
you go back home and once they got dark and
you had dinner, you'd pick up the phone and dial
somebody's home phone number and they'd pick up the phone. Well,
we had two phones in the house, one in the
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front and one in the back. And when he'd called
John Mesco to talk about deer hunting that weekend, I'd say, Hey, Dad,
can I get on the other end? Can I on
the other phone and listen to y'all talk? And so
I'd go to the back bedroom and pick up the
phone and I wouldn't say a word, I just listen,
and I'd listen to them talk about deer hunting. And
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now I recognize the influence that just listening to those
men talk had on me. Now that inside of a podcast,
this is what I'm doing all the time. And I
I valued, uh, listening to grown men talk. No, but
and my dad probably put that inside of me, But
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it was kind of innate, almost like if two men
were talking, I was gonna be like eavesdropping. I was
gonna be listening to what they said, not saying anything, um,
but just listening and UM. So I said all that
to say like that or province podcast to me just
stands out. It's like really unique, partly because he's not
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with us anymore. And I realized what a jewel it
was to have that audio recording and and his family
is what told me that, you know, his family now
has that recording which they wouldn't have had before. That
has value for them. You know. Um, that one stands
out to me that podcast. Do any of them stand
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out to you, Kobe? I mean that one does. That
was one of the first ones that that we did
after I had gotten here. I think I remember meeting
you in chef ad had a restaurant afterwards, like kind
of halfway in between. Yeah, you weren't there, but you
you came down and I called you were at the
office and I called you and said, hey, we're gonna
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we're gonna eat lunch over here. You ought to meet us. Yeah,
so it was it was It was cool. I you know,
I think I remember just kind of the scenarios around
podcast more than the actual content and just the people themselves.
I know that the when when we did our kind
of like month hand a podcast tour, it was fun.
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We just do one after the other and just drive
here and then drive a couple of hours and then
do another one, and uh, just you know the people,
you know, getting to meet the different people and and
people that a lot of times you can look at
it's just their drive. It's something that they chose to pursue.
And I think that there's a lot of value inside
of that too. Uh. Even like at the beginning of
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COVID when we went up to the to the college
and talked to oh I forget his name about just
the history inside of inside of people that were in
this you know, Arkansas region and all the books that
he he had written. It's like, man, this guy has driven,
you know, to just eat up everything they could and
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listen to well listen to podcasts like you know, and
everything surrounding like Keith Sutton and and everything that he did,
the life he had and and uh, everything that he pursued,
and then just like hearing about like what his life's
like now, you know. Uh, it's just you see, I'm
attracted to authenticity and just people that are genuine and
(39:04):
so even these like just being around James or Hearing,
you know, being on the podcast with him or or
mo or Hearing Advances the no podcast um Or when
we recorded a podcast up in Washington with the guys
from du with with um Buddy and and Jason Buddy
and Jason w Yeah, so I don't know. I mean,
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just as far as content, it's hard for me to
nail one down, but I just remember all the things
surrounding them. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime we did if if, if
there was a podcast done, it was encased by usually
a lot of relationship around it, you know. I mean
sometimes we interviewed strangers, uh, or you know, people we
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didn't know that well. Um. But the one thing that
we did that is pretty rare, maybe maybe like really rare,
is we never did an internet based podcast. Every single
hundred and fifteen of the hundred and fifteen episodes were
done in person, even through covid um. And that was
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something that we wanted to do because I didn't I
didn't feel like, um, I just felt like it would
be more authentic and like people were like Clay, well,
you're limiting yourself so much on your guests. It almost
felt like it was cheating. Like if I use the internet,
I could get any guests in the outdoor world that
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you know, would agree to come on the show. And
I don't know why, but I just wasn't interested in that.
I mean I could have got and I could name
like ten big names you know that, you know, and
I could have had him on the show, but I'd
rather have most Shepherd or a province. Brent Reeves, Jonathan Wilkins.
I mean that guys that I can go beat with
and talk to it. I mean sometimes we were traveling,
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I mean like going to Montana with Gym sessions of
Husk Mall and oh jeez, we've been all over the place.
And I didn't mean you forget Brent. I can't forget
old Brent Reeves. He's always there. He's like the Life
Nation podcast. Yeah, you don't have to mention Brent for
him to be there. No, No, So you know, that
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was a decision that we made that I think ended
up paying off big time, which wouldn't make sense, Like
like people ask me that and they're like, well, people
don't just ask me that. Like the daily battle that
I had for the last two years is people messaging
me saying, hey, you need to have this guy on
your podcast, and the guy lives in New York and
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I I just have this like scripted thing that I write. Hey, man,
I'm sure there would be awesome to have that guy on,
but we only do in person podcasts, you know, So
like you know, if I were up there or if
he were down here, or we're in the same place,
i'd be glad to do it. But but that was important,
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I think, um, because it it there was more invested
in it. You know. It kind of feels a little
bit cheap to me personally doing internet stuff. And not
to say that I won't do that in the future,
because on the next version of this podcast there will
be some interased internet based stuff. It just kind of
has to be for what we're doing, for the uniqueness
of what we're doing, and that will be okay, but uh,
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but for this little section of time, that's what we did.
To me, there were like categories of podcasts that we
did that were really distinct and one of them would
be like Dori Province podcast where we met with usually
an older person, old timer. Um. And there were several
that were very distinctive to me that we're just will
(42:49):
be hallmarks forever in my life those times I spent
with those guys. Um. One of them would be the
podcast I've done with James Lawrence, my kind of personal
mentor really good friend that I just have deep perspect for.
The second one would be Roy clark Man old Roy
Clark over in East Tennessee and Ira all Roy and
(43:10):
Ira Man, incredible guys. I mean, man, when you talk
to a Roy Clark again. He may have known what
a podcast was because someone told him that I was
coming and I was gonna do a podcast. But Roy
would be the same way. You'd be like, Roy, you
want to be on a podcast. I'd be like, sure,
what's that? I mean, these guys did what they did
(43:31):
not to get famer notoriety. They did it because they
loved it. And uh, you know when Roy cried on
our podcast, like that was a moment I'll never forget.
And what was he doing. He was talking about his
buddy and that was sitting across the room from and
that wasn't even in the podcast. It was on our
highlight reel and um and when Roy said, uh, he
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said that his friend when he was in the fourth
grade wrote him a Valentine's card that said we bear hunters,
ain't we? Roy? And uh, ma'am, you just can't. You
can't write that kind of stuff. And I I've used
that since then. I made a post the other day
on Instagram which is essentially the modern Valentine's card and
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I had a picture of Shepherd and Bear and my
nephew Christian and I were coon hunting, and I said,
we coon hunters, Um, but no Roy Clark Man incredible,
incredible conversation we had with him Advance. I can't. I
can't talk about our podcast without talking about Advance. And
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that was a really unique one because we went all
the way to California for that UM and went to
his house. That one was a stretch because he didn't
know me. I didn't know him. I just read the
man's book and I was like, this is a guy
I want to talk to. And uh, we went to California,
him up and they treated us like we were family,
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you know, And I brought my whole family to his house.
And to this day, you know, we're friends with with
Ed and his wife and just incredible people. Um. I'm
I'm scrolling through here on some of these other podcasts, Uh,
you know, i'd i'd categorized him O Shepherd in that
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same category to most been on several times and and
MO most not quite an old guy. If he's listening
to this, I'm gonna give him the I mean, I'm
not gonna call him an old guy because he still
probably walk up mountains better than me, But Bud, he
but mo. The The other thing that we did that
people loved and that I loved was we interviewed a
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lot of biologists. I got right down to the nitty gritty.
I've always loved biology. I've always loved people that actually
had the data, had the research. It wasn't anecdotal, it
wasn't just like a hunter that just had these isolated observations,
even though would they be a lifetime of observations. Sometimes
biology tells a different story and I don't I don't
(46:06):
want to be caught up in the wrong facts, and
I think, you know, science helps us not do that.
So we met with my Iron Means and Sarah Lyda
and uh Laura Conley and uh other biologists. Who else
did we meet with? Um? I hope I'm not missing somebody.
(46:26):
Those were the main ones, and we met with them
even several times at different times over in Oklahoma. Oh yeah,
Jeff Ford, Yeah, my buddy Jeff Ford over in Oklahoma.
Bara biologists. UM, incredible stuff. Incredible stuff. We uh. But
we also did a lot of detailed, tactical style podcast
(46:53):
so we had like these the the the interview in
the old Guys Biologists, and then I would say tactical
how to stuff that. Oftentimes I'd have Brent Reeves, Ryan
Grab or other experts. Uh. Heath Martin was on one
of them. Uh mo would have been categorized in one
(47:16):
of those, um and where we where we would just
nail down specific stuff and tactics. And some of those
podcasts are are great resources that we refer to people
all the time. Somebody will write us and be like, hey,
tell me about baiting bears and we'll go, Man, just
listen to that podcast. We talked about it and told
everything that we knew. So those are important judging black bears,
(47:39):
uh black bear shot placement. Um. We also had some
fun storytelling podcasts. Brent Reeves and on episode that Eddie
Ford did a Dueling Stories podcast which was about an
hour and fifteen minutes long where we just swap stories.
Just I would tell a story, then he'd tell a story.
I'd tell the story, he'd tell the story, and we
(48:02):
we told some good ones. Um. But we we also
had some We had Cam Spinks on the podcast Country
music Guy talked about his hunting and his music, and
he was on what was he on the voice the Voice,
Blake Shelton's the Voice, and he talked about that we
(48:25):
went and visited old Ted Nugent. Yeah, that was a
unique podcast for sure. Um oh man, the stories we
can tell about that, you just have to go listen
to the podcast. We Ted welcomed us into his home.
They were both very hospitable, very hospitable. Um, just very
(48:48):
unique people. Yeah, for sure. We also had a lot
of in the field podcasts that were that we're talking
about what we're doing, Like if we're in Montana bear hunting,
we'd do a podcast like in the field if we
did want an elk hunt in Montana. I've done many
podcasts in the field in Arkansas, like at a camp,
(49:08):
at a Turkey camp, at our bear camp, at our
deer camps, um, around the Yeah, we've done podcast in
outfitters camps and those are always really good. Get some
good intel, kind of get a feel for what it's
like to hunt in that particular place. Um. Credible stuff. Man. Well, Hey,
(49:29):
the main thing that I want to portray is that
this season of interviewing people in these long form formats
has been special to me. I've enjoyed it and I
hope you have to. And all these podcasts will remain
available as the new meat Eat podcasts begins, they will
(49:50):
remain available so you'll be able to go back and
listen to these or share them or whatever, and I
hope that you will. Kolbe closing thoughts, It's been a
fun right, been a fun ride. Yeah, a lot of value. Yep. Well,
thank you all for for listening to us and for
(50:11):
the support just that you've given us by listening, by
supporting our advertiser, all the you know, I'm gonna ding
all the bells, you know, just just the support that
you've given us, subscribing to Barroonning magazine, buying merchandise from us,
all that stuff is uh, we do deeply appreciate it.
(50:32):
And as we sign off for the final time in
this format, the Barrowning Magazine podcast, which it's not just
this format, I mean Bear Hunting Magazine podcast is no
more and uh truly think I think all of you guys, gals, kids,
we appreciate it. And for the last time, keep the
(50:55):
wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Yep.
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