Becoming Dylan Mulvaney: Counting the Days of Girlhood

Hello Beauty Translated listeners, today for our series finale we are so excited to bring you this amazing conversation that Carmen and Janie got to have with THE Dylan Mulvaney. Please enjoy our conversation with Dylan about her days of girlhood, trans visibility, and what pride month looks like moving past the pride meltdown of 2023.

And yes listeners and friends, you read that correctly - Beauty Translated is not being picked up for a fourth season. We hope you enjoyed our journey from day one, we couldn't be more proud for having produced a podcast that focuses on the unique perspectives of the trans community. Thank you all for the listens, ratings, reviews, the voicemails, and all of your words of encouragement along the way. It has meant the world to us. We hope you stay beautiful y'all!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, Beauty Translated listeners, and welcome to another episode of
Beauty Translated. In fact, it is the series and season
finale of Beauty translated. Surprise, surprise, not an April Fool's joke,
but we're closing out the series Beauty Translated with an

(00:25):
amazing interview from Bill mulvaney. But before we get to that,
how are you doing, Jennie? How are you joking? Genus?
I'm doing great. I'm doing as good as I can.
I just told Janie that I have a brain tumor
and I have three months to live.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I just told Carmen that I just got kicked
out of medical school, so we're shit out. I was
going to do her ffs. I was going to take
the tumors out, but sorry, my child, my sweet baby
co host friend, your face is stuff like that, and
that tumor is going to grow.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Can you just take me out back and scalpel me?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well with that, I'm sure we'll address this at the
end of the show, but we're working on our Dead
Ringers themed podcast where we talk about a medical malpractice
that we'll be performing.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And yeah, without.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Further ado, I'm sure y'all are very curious to listen
to our wonderful guests, the incomparable Dylan mull Daney.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yay, yay, yay. Well, I am very nervous, but you know,
it's not the first time I've been nervous on the show,
but today I am especially nervous. We have an amazing guest,
somebody who needs no introduction, somebody here.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Oh, Carmen, I'm always the guest. Oh, yes, I'm sorry.
You don't need to be nervous around me.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Janie.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Janie's you know, Janie's here. But we also have another
person here with us today, Jane. Oh, you're right, a
very very special guest. And I would like to introduce
our guest today, Dylan mulvaney.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Hi, Dylan, Hello, Oh my, No need to be nervous, because,
first of all, I feel like me and Janey are
giving like similar vibes with this blonde Yeah. Then Carmen,
I want to go red, and so it feels like
you two are just like where.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I'm at and where I want to go.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
You know, a lot of people kind of compare us
to kind of having like an angel devil dynamic.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
You know, Oh, I love it. I think I have
both I think I would love to see like a
little Dylan Angel and a little Dylan Devil.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
On someone's shoulder, one with red hair, one with blonde hair.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, it's good to hear both sides, you know, it's
good to hear both sides. Yeah, it's jumping a little
bit ahead, But I remember you said in your recent
video that going blonde has been kind of tough for
you to maintain.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh my god, it's.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
The I had no idea like the upkeep and how
expensive it is and how it like kills your hair.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I just was like, Oh, it's gonna I'm gonna be fine.
It's fine, And now it's not totally fine. But uh huh.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
And I feel like I don't know so much of
last year and the year before, I kind of was
seeing people talk about me and use my photo places
that I was like, who are they talking about? So
it felt like this was a fun way to take
ownership over my like appearance. Again, how's blonde going for you?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Oh? I love it? Well.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
See I was going to say, like, if you were
like contemplating red, at least for me personally, red has
been way, way, way more like unwieldy for my hair.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Oh with upkeep is crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
It fades really fast, blonde stays for a long time.
It's just like obviously, like the most notable problem is
like the roots. And yeah, like as soon as I
can see like even like this much like even like
a centimeter, I'm like, oh, I need, I need to
get it done.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
But even Madonna has roots, you know, so I think
it's okay.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Everyone everyone has roots. But yeah, I've been rocking the
blonde for a while. I feel like it fits me.
So I tried to go pink for a while and
it literally fades into in two weeks.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
It's really, it's really well, I.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Didn't know you could go back.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I thought if you went pink, you couldn't go back
blonde because the red is like forever there in your hair.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
No, it was it was more like the pink was
more on like kind of like the whier side of
the color spectrum than like the darker side. And also
it's really just like I'm no hair doctor, but it
also like depends on like everyone's different hair, Like different

(04:44):
things are going to take for different people. Like you
might try red and it could just like take forever,
like it could just like you know your.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Hair, I do, so you know, as many people know,
when I first started out on this journey, I've had
black hair for a very very long time, I mean
natural blonde, and we are doing red as like a
little midway point on my journey to blonde. Because as
anyone who's ever had black hair before, you know, it
is very hard to lighten that to blonde. It doesn't

(05:13):
happen overnight. It takes many, many processes. So I was
actually very happy I got. I got really light. I
was a level one black and I got to probably
about a level seven in my first appointment, which is
pretty great. So but I actually think I'm gonna stick
with the red because I really like the Nicole kidman
like practical magic kind of vibe.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah that's like and not everyone can rock it, and
if you can, I think you should and it fits
your personality.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Thank you. So yeah, you know what, if Dylan says,
keep the keep the red, I'm keeping the red. You know,
I vote.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, Dylan. You know, Janie and I have just been
absolutely loving the bop that you put out Days of Girl.
Oh my god, we've been loving it.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah. Well it's just been.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
It's been a crazy rollercoaster, I think because I've made
this song as sort of like an ode to my
early days of transition and trying to do sort of
like the silliest, campiest version of a song from like
the early two thousands, like a Rebecca Black Friends. And
I think, you know, media literacy isn't fully dead, but

(06:23):
it does feel like it's dying because a lot of people,
I don't think knew what I was trying to do
with the song or even what it was supposed to reflect,
and so it did end up on the wrong side
of TikTok for a while there, and it really was
shocking because I think when you go into something with
such pure intentions and then have it kept apartment yeah,

(06:46):
so interpreted in a yes, in a very different way,
you're kind of like, you feel like you've lost control
over this thing that you made. But then what's so
great about queer people is that they do understand nuance
and camp and they were like, oh, this song was
not trying to be anything highly.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Deep or emotional or vulnerable.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
It was supposed to be for us to like have
fun too, And now it has found the right people
and the right audience, and it's been really cool, I think,
too well funny enough. People were listening to like one
specific little verse of the song and completely dogpiling on it,
and then there were a lot of other pieces of
the music that people hadn't even heard, And so I

(07:30):
put this little trend out about all of the women
that have helped me throughout my life, and everyone's like, wait,
this is part of the song too, Like why didn't
you release this the bed? Like yes, if you listen
to the entire song, you would know that it's not
just this one thing. But now I feel very content
with like letting however it is interpreted, be out there

(07:50):
and people can take it their way or but I
still know it my way.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
That's what I think matters for me.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah. Absolutely, And I think the realcy to it, you know.
And I've saw some of kind of the negative reaction
to it and a lot of the criticisms of the
like the negative criticisms basically fell down to fell on like, well,
it'd be okay if a CIS woman made a song
like this, but because a trans woman made a song
like this, we're mad about it, you know. And I

(08:18):
think that was the part that kind of I found
the most like annoying about it, as just how like
we hear these things talked about in songs all the
time by sis women, Right, Well, I.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Think that specific like there's already a lot of people
in this world who don't enjoy me, and and so
I think any trans woman releasing this song would have
been you know, it would have gotten some some pushback.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, but I.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Think there were people waiting to find another reason to
dislike me. And and that's where I've really had to
give up this desire to be the most palatable version
of transnis because for the longest time, my dream was
to like be able to win over the housewives in Ohio.

(09:10):
Like I thought that maybe I'm here to make people
that don't necessarily love us dolls accept us. And now
I'm thinking that's not the case. And I'm starting to
think maybe I'm here to like make people ask hard
questions of themselves. And maybe it's less of me being

(09:30):
the most palatable version, but maybe it's more so me
trying to exude femininity at such a hyper rate and
in a way that I think does make some people
still really uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
And how do.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
I not let their uncomfortability dictate how I show up
in the world, because even after I released that song,
I was like, oh my god, do I now need
to put something out that's like deeply traumatic and sad ballad?
And then I was like, no, I don't. I don't
have to do that just because that's what people either

(10:07):
want from me or expect, And and I think it's
it's right now with queer media and trans media specifically,
I think everything has such a like it's like everything's
with like a fine toothed comb being picked apart, and
so I have to be a little more diligent of
like doing projects selfishly that are like, oh, this is

(10:27):
really fun, but then also knowing that it can have
adverse reactions and and that's where it's can be scary.
How do you, like, have you noticed things over the
last couple of years being picked apart in a way
that they weren't before.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Absolutely, Yeah, you really touched on a lot of stuff
that like I wanted to kind of glean from you,
but like, yeah, one thing that we've talked about like
a bunch is that a lot of people might not
know a trans person and know even less about like
the trans experience that you being a trans person that

(11:05):
other people see makes you, like, unwittingly or not, kind
of a like spokesperson for like the community at large
in a way. And I actually wanted to ask you
just because, like you started this whole journey of like
day one of girlhood, day two of girlhood, all of this,
and I'm curious like if you maybe saw yourself as

(11:29):
some sort of representative, either like trying to be unintentionally,
or if this was all just like, oh, this is
just me, this is what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, never, ever, ever, in a million years did I
thought that I would be like when people think of Transnis,
that they would think of Dylan Molvany. And that's the
scary part now of like putting things out is knowing
that there are people that equate Transnis to someone like me,
or me specifically or my content. And that's where it's

(12:01):
like again the people not realizing that there are so
many different versions of the dolls and of any kind
of trans person.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And I think.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
When I going back to like the idea of me
maybe being someone that like the Housewives of Ohio could enjoy,
that wasn't about like me wanting to be a spokesperson,
but more so like my desire to just be liked
in general. I grew up so people pleasey like I
and even funny specific to like moms, like I was

(12:35):
always the kid at like a pool party, like sitting
inside with like the mom while she prepared snacks and
I wasn't hanging out with the other kids. And I
think that comes back to like, yes, wanting to be
accepted by like women as well, Like that was That's
the kind of the through line of my life. But
I really want the dolls in my life to know

(12:58):
that that is not my intention. And as what kind
of what happened last year, after all of the backlash
and boycotts that were happening, I took a big step
back and was like, Okay, anything that I say could
be used against me, but it could also be used
against the community. In having to you know, now having

(13:19):
people that I trust and that I love, being able
to interpret things and making sure that before I put
something out there that is a reflection of the community,
make sure that like it has a few other eyes
on it, because yeah, there's so much room in ways
that things can get twisted and still do like it,
and you kind of have to decide like if it's

(13:41):
worth it or not. So I've been a lot less
willing to like throw, you know word vomit anywhere and everywhere.
I also think, like I look back at a lot
of those videos from like my series and are so cringey,
but like I kind of think of it like you
know that movie eighth grade, the really awkward girl.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
That burn a movie.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I look back at some of those videos and
I'm like, oh, bless your hearts, we look so awkward
or so cringe You're like, and yet there was still
something really pure there. And now I'm a little bit
more jaded, a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Of like a bitch.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
But it's like that is I will all be really
find the earnestness and people would just let me grow
up and let me do it on like my own time,
versus forcing me into sort of like that jaded place
that I don't really want to exist in.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah. Honestly though, I mean, having been a trans woman
for like fifteen years now, I know just how jaded
and cynical year after year things start to become. So
it's very relatable and very real. But I also think
at the end of the day till and you should
just make what you want to make and just be like,
you know what, if people misinterpret it, then so be it.

(15:00):
I did want to ask you one thing because you mentioned,
you know, you you go to and you ask people
for like to put their eyes on things before you.
Who are your people that you typically go to?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Oh my god, me and I'm our lady JO, our
lady J, she writes on Transparent Lady J, Are you crazy?
She's iconos well, and we met through a mutual friend
of ours in the Broadway world, and she is, you know,
she's a busy gal, and she's a very tight circle.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh my god, brilliant.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
But we built this like love of music and of
Broadway and and I think there's so few trans women
in the industry right now that are like capable of
like show running a show or you know, that have
been like in the trenches for the years, and she's
one of them. And what's been really cool is how

(15:50):
our relationship has evolved. Was sort of helping me navigate
the business side of things, but then it became personal
life things and physical body thing. You know. Now it's
all encompassing, and so having her eyes on things have
been really really helpful. I also my two BFFs now

(16:11):
the dolls, Josie Toda and Miss Benny, and having you know,
they're actually younger than me, and it's been fascinating to
have like sort of I'm a gen z cusp, so
I'm twenty seven, Josie's I think twenty two, Miss Benny's
twenty five. And having their view on things is so
different too, because they have less sort of like judgment

(16:37):
just to how they were raised, was like, why would
this be a big deal? And it's been so cool
to have a younger perspective on things too, because a
lot of my audience is younger, and so knowing how
that they're going to interpret something is different than the
mom's watching me or the conservative extremists politicians watching my videos.

(16:58):
So I think having is any different types of people
in my close circle to ask and talk to you
about these things.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, I love that. I think that's amazing. It's like
you've got dolls of every generation there. That is I
think really awesome. Can we talk a little bit about
the days of girlhood. There's like a line in the
Days of Girlhood that I just absolutely loved when I

(17:26):
was when I was watching the video, I was like, yes, Dylan,
I'm so glad you did that. It was the Patriarchy's over,
you can hold our beer, and I just love that line.
And I also loved the water guns with the beer cans.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Oh thank you.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
That was so I was like trying to figure out
a way to call out the elephant in the room
of the last year, but doing it in a really
funny way. And I always have healed through comedy and humor,
and that's always been my way in from like healing
from trauma, and even started doing stand up comedy again

(18:02):
like two months ago, and I did a lot of
my my thank you humor around like beer and these
brand deals and all these things, and I walked off
like hearing other people laugh about it with me instead
of at me made me feel like a thousand times better.
So with the video too, I just wanted it to

(18:23):
feel like a, Hey, I'm doing okay now and I'm
getting the last laugh in this situation.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
And I still love beer, So.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
I think it's It's one of those things where I
was like, I still have ownership over me and my
interests in making the kind of light of a really
crummy situation.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, I love that, and I love that you
love beer because I know I was like, actually a yeah,
he I love yeah. I was actually like talking to
someone that works at a brewery yesterday about how like
shitty and like soogynistic and like just kind of like
ugly the culture is around there, and that was a

(19:05):
much smaller brewery than the whatever whatever company you were
dealing with.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
I don't remember their name, I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I think I think a lot of people certainly recognize
the absurdity of it. Like I mean, you know, it's
kind of funny, like me and Carmen were like talking
about like what what to say here, like what to
talk about and how like dour like last like June was,
and how like just really depressing of a pride month

(19:33):
it was. But like I feel like, in a sense,
like maybe this is just like some of your optimism
rubbing off on me. But I feel like at a
certain point people have to see how just ridiculous this is,
like like stacking a can of butt lights and shooting
them with a machine gun.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Is so insane, Like you're actually this weird person.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
I say, And what I'm what I've been waiting for
and what I think happened was like queer as this
was I think for all of us last year. It
was really scary because it felt violent and it felt
like this could be a very real reflection of what
can and will happen from people who are that hateful,

(20:19):
and even if that's just starting online. And then that
brands followed suit, so they believed like, oh my god,
we don't want to insert ourselves into these conversations, and
so Pride Month was this, Like God, it felt like
we were like in a grieving process like it was.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
It was so weird and dark.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
And I think we're getting closer to now, brands and
just humans in general realizing how ridiculous some of these
claims are and how close minded, and it's almost like
people are showing their true colors in a way that
gets embarrassing because of their talk themselves into like a

(20:58):
corner and then you realize or it might even be
someone that you really enjoyed for a long time, and
then one specific topic you're like.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Oh my god, like that's I don't really feel about
certain things.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
And I'm hoping that brands will start smarting up to
the fact that this is just a very specific, loud
group of humans, and also like what side do they
want to be on in the long run, because I
will never forget the brands that have showed up and
the brands that haven't, and even you know the same
thing with in the industry and TV shows that have

(21:31):
still showed up for us and haven't. And I think
we got a long way to go, but we're getting
closer to everyone realizing how stupid this all is.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I think a big part of like why it felt
so like dour was that, like I don't know, all
of us have kind of like every other Pride month
we've seen like every like logo like changed to like
a rainbow flag and then like okay, now you support
us for one month, okay, whatever, But seeing that like
not happen, Like seeing like some like rapper with face

(22:03):
tattoos saying like Target's grooming your kids, and then Target
being like okay, take down the Pride section, Like why
are you listening to them? Yeah, Like that's just like
like seeing like that just did feel depressing. And yeah,
I just I feel like the pendulum has to swing back,
like that was just so abnormal.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, And I think because my whole goal with like
even the initial Day's Girlhood series was like make people laugh.
My content is never supposed to be melancholy or dar
you know, there's moments where it has gone there, but
that like I remember specifically when things were so bad,
I was like, well, I'm either going to not put

(22:46):
anything out right now because it's so like grim or
if I'm going to put something out there, it's going
to be something to make people smile, because there's not
really enough of that. And I still think that is
the I mean, we like queer joy is hard to
find right now online just because it gets so pummeled,
but we have to keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Your content is like like a beacon of positivity. Like yeah,
before like I knew who like you were, and I
was hearing like a lot of like controversial stuff. I
remember like going to your TikTok and being like, all right,
well what's this all about? What's going on here? And
I was shocked to see you just like filming videos
of yourself like jumping in really cold water or like

(23:31):
like feed it like going on like a safari or
like I was like, this is what.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
People are mad about. This is crazy, Like.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
And I do want to do a better job, like
I think Carmen Ray. Before the we hopped onto this,
we talked a little bit about like what do I
want to accomplish in the future this next year girlhood.
I think my goal is to get people to see
a more authentic side to me, because every you know,
even if somebody has a conversation with me for five minutes,

(23:59):
they know I'm not just this like person that's like
they're seeing jump into cold freezing water or you know,
doing an outfit of the day. I didn't mean to no, no,
I actually totally agree because that is like, and especially
if someone hasn't seen my greater sort of a bigger
picture of what I've done on the internet, they might

(24:21):
just think about one or two specific videos, and I
want to put things out there and make things so
that people can see there's a lot more to me
than just those specific sides. And I will say those
videos aren't a character. They aren't a character. They are me,
but they're the loudest version of myself. Whereas like there's

(24:42):
also I actually think I'm a bit of an introvert,
and what happens is like I've got the theater kid
energy and when I'm with myself, I feel really comfortable
and safe enough to like show that off. And if
I'm at an event, I can kind of put that
on and and be outgoing. But a lot of the times,
like I like to sit in my house by myself

(25:04):
for like four days before going outside and doing anything.
And that's something too, like that when people think of
you as this like hyper person or this like really
big personality and having to keep that up all the
time because I am a little bit more subdued that well,
a lot more subdued actually than that in general, like
daily life.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Do you feel like that is like as a result
of just kind of all of the stuff kind of
wearing you down a little bit over time?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
For sure?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
For sure, I think safety I felt. I think about
it like tired, being tired, and the energy, like do
I have the energy right now to be the Dylan
that people enjoyed from the internet. And what's also been
interesting is there's a lot of people that I think
followed me because they were fascinated by my body physical transition,

(25:55):
but then don't want to stick around for what else
there is to come or the they're parts of me
that because I think so often in media trans people
are like aggled at or looked at, like with what
we've had done or what we're going to have done,
you know, and then the pieces that don't include that
they aren't as interested in. And it's frustrating because I

(26:18):
now see that by by putting so much of myself
out there, that that's what people wanted or thought they wanted,
and now as I'm like setting boundaries with what I
want to share, people might not be as interested. And
it's a little frustrating. Have you felt that way when
like you share your stories and your journeys.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh my gosh, well, Dylan, no, not quite, because I mean,
to be honest, I've just never had as many eyes
on me as I have. You know, I know that
you have a lot of eyes on you. I've just
never had a big following. So I feel pretty free
and confident to say whatever the hell comes to my mind,
you know, And just like act how I feel so online,

(26:59):
I am like a very deeply cynical, very just kind
of like uh shit, posty person and that is kind
of a little bit of who I am in person.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
But I love your stories, by the way, like you do.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
You do like good, like I feel like I'm catching
up on the internet when I like go through your stories.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Thank you. I'm glad. I appreciate that. That makes me
feel good because I'm always worried that you're going to
see something and think negatively of me. But never But yeah,
it's just I like to just kind of be because
I'm not a very positive person. I just like to
be like, well, look, this is who you're going to get.
And so recently here in Atlanta, we just had one

(27:37):
of our most famous legendary drag queens passed away. Her
name was mister Charlie Brown, and she self identified as
a bitch. And I have been finding power in self
identifying and a bit lately because it's just kind of
who I am and I want people to love me
for that. You know. I even have a hat here

(27:58):
that I got recently that says my job is just bitch,
you know which obviously.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
I'm I'm happy to have you. I will identify you
as a bitch if that is what you.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Want every time we talked together.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
So I honestly, I think a little bit of bitchiness
would do me good.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Like I think people well, in a way.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I have to second that I want you to finish,
but I totally agree.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I was I think a lot of people have been
kind of waiting for my villain arc and we're getting
there because Dylan the villain, I I was so sort
of like Pollyanna, good girl. And I did that specifically
online because I knew that there were a lot of
young people fought like very impressional people following me.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Which is good.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
But at least it's thank you.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
But as far as like the dolls of my life
who like really know me, I think have been waiting
for me to be like a little like bite around
the edge of yeah, because that because and I talk
about like Chelsea Handler a lot, because she's such a inspiration,
comedy inspiration to me growing up that like I have
that raunchy side and it's slowly starting to come out

(29:14):
and and that bite. But it is scary because I
think we as trans women can't get away with especially
talking publicly about certain things or other women, or or
judgments or critiques or even like that was a big
thing that came from the song when I released it,
as like am I entitled to talk about or sing

(29:37):
about these frivolous parts of girlhood and and the you know,
and it's it's kind of a bummer. I believe I am,
and that has been the debate. But I hope that
we get to a place where we are valued in
our opinions and not crucified for them, but we also

(29:59):
do so I don't ever want to step on anyone's
toes or make people feel like I don't value their
version of womanhood or even when I think what's tricky
is like when they when a woman has a critique
of me and it maybe isn't in my favor, and
I have to decipher in that moment, is this something
that's being said to like help me or is it

(30:21):
just purely to hurt me, And especially if that has
anything to do with like their desire for me to
de transition or them misgendering me. Oftentimes I have to
initially just put that aside and I can't even listen
to it, and that's so spam.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yes, that goes into the delegue.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
But I will say, like for people who do have
critiques of someone like me or the dolls, I think
making sure that they aren't misgendering us within the context
of it and trying to find the respect so that
we are able to hear them and their thoughts. And
I really do, like honestly online, if I'm watching another

(31:03):
trans person critique me, those are the people that I want.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
To be hearing from.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
And of course sometimes I'm like, oh, I wish this
wasn't on TikTok. I wish this was like in our
messages or on a caller. Yeah, Like, and I granted
I don't see all of those, but at least when
I'm watching them generally, it's not out of a place
of like hate or anything. It's like out of a

(31:27):
place of like wanting me to improve, which makes me
feel good.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Right, And I want to talk about a moment like that,
if it's okay, you had a moment like that that
really stuck out for me because I remember watching it
in real time and being like, wow, this was really
like a powerful moment between two women. But the moment
with Laverne on the red carpet, oh.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Of course, So that's that's another moment of like media literacy,
because outside of what we saw in the video, me
and Laverne had the most amazing interaction and like it
was truly one of my and again she was also
at work. She's like on the red carpet hosting. So
this is a really like tiny moment, but a really

(32:08):
beautiful one behind the scenes. And I left that sort
of just feeling really connected with her and really joyous.
And then obviously the Internet perceived it in a different
kind of way, and it was good because it flagged
moments of me, you know, interrupting her me, you know,
being that was I was just so nervous to even
get to speak with her.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
And now I've seen her at many.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Events, we're in cahoots where she's someone that I consider
like a mentor role model type. And I that's when
the Internet, I think, can take something and turn it
a little bit ugly.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Souine. I really think, yes.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
A genuine moment between two trans women and it's like
they almost want to pit us against each other, and
we can't let that happen. And I think that is
when I look back at there were a few moments
where I like either was acknowledging another trans person's critique
of me publicly or you know, kind of like fighting words.

(33:06):
Those are the moments that I don't feel proud of,
Like I think, like I think the best thing we
can do as a community is really try to figure
our shit out privately, not behind closed doors, but like, yeah,
just really trying to get on the same page so
that we are as united as possible when it comes
to how we're being perceived online and in public. And

(33:27):
but that's tricky because you know, again there's so many
different versions of dullhood.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
True.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You mentioned how like kind of like being more like
careful about what you say in your public persona, and
you're right that like a lot of you know, uh,
you're right to just like be yourself and all the
time and create what you want. And a lot of
you know, like conservative types and the Ohio moms are
not going to like get down with it, and that

(33:57):
is just going to kind of be what it does.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Do both of you feel like, like, first of all,
do you feel like an activist? And two did you
feel like that was something that was expected of you
when you transition?

Speaker 1 (34:08):
That's a really great question. Well, I didn't feel like
that when I transitioned, because when I transitioned, the landscape
was so different. I transitioned before Caitlin, and that was
like I mark Caitlin. I marked Caitlyn coming out as
like when BC before K.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
That's funny, BC.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, we don't want to give her that twenty eleven,
but no, I marked that as like the era when
like everyone became very like aware of trans people. It
was a turning game, yeah, for sure. And it was
like pretty much impossible to be like a stealth transperson
at that point, just because like everyone knew what a
transperson looked like, the little dog, I know what you are,

(34:53):
the Whitney tras, the homophobic dog. But when I started
making the show, my first season of the podcast, I
really felt like I had to be an activist and
I had to be like a role model and YadA YadA, yadh.
But after my first season of the podcast and I
got into the second and then now the third, I

(35:14):
like kind of dropped all of that because it really
was not authentic to me, and I realized, like that
just kind of being who I am and just But
I do think when you're in such like a public
eye like you are, people are going to place that
pressure on you, especially as a trans woman, a newly
out trans woman, and then you're damned if you do
and damned if you don't, which I think is the

(35:34):
funniest thing about it, Like you're forced into this position
of like being like an activist, like martyr type figure,
but then like some people think like it's too way
too soon for Dylan to be like this activist or like,
you know, and then other people.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
But if you're not, you have this platform and you're
sort of using it exactly right. Yeah, Jane, do you
feel the same, uh?

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Kind of?

Speaker 5 (35:58):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I've always been a very like I know, even like
pre transition, I've just I've just always been who I
am and I've always kind of I mean like yeah,
like I don't know, like I just always felt like.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
That my authenticity.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I think that there's there's like two types of people
in the world, you know, And this is definitely something
I've learned from like working service industry in my whole life.
There's the people that are going to see you being
authentic and appreciate that, and then there's going to be
people that just want to see, you know, something else
out of you. Like if I'm bartending and I'm having

(36:41):
a bad day, I'm probably going to be a little
bit less.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Patient and a little more bitchy.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
And I think that there is going to be people
that will come up and we'll see, oh damn, she's
very busy. It's she's probably been here a long time,
and they'll probably like appreciate that. And then there's people
that just wanted me to be like.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Hi, how are you?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Can I get you any It's like, I I just
I feel like that's very dehumanizing to me, and so
I've always just kind of made it a point to
like be who I am as much as I can
be who I am, because I get very like depressed
when I'm not. It really really affects my mental health

(37:19):
when I have to like always kind of be like
performing what I think like other.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
People like want to see out of me.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
So I've I've always tried to be like very authentic
in that regard.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
I feel like early on people wanted me to be
an activist, but like their idea of like transactivists, and
even like I remember getting asked to go to the
White House and I was like why why am I? Like?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Why am I doing this right?

Speaker 4 (37:47):
And I say, and that is what I'll say is
people like how could you take that thing?

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I was like, I mean if somebody else wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, I I now know my strengths, and I know
my weaknesses.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
My strengths are, you know, I love performing, like I
really want my version of like how I show up
in the world eventually to be more in the scripted
space and in more of like the hosting space, and
not directly need thinking of Dylan as an act, Like
if you ever see Dylan molvany activist, it's because somebody else.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Wrote that I did. Not about myself ever.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I mean, I think it's a really common thing, and sadly,
like it's common from both sides. Like there's a lot
of like more like liberal leaning people who see any
famous trans person like, oh, Hunter Shaffer's an act of us,
you know, and it's like, but it's also it's kind
of like a conservative thing because if you look like online,
a lot of like turfs and stuff will refer to
like all trans people as like tras or like trans

(38:49):
rights acts of us, right, And I feel like it's
a very sly way of like politicizing something. And I
guess that's more This is more kind of a roundabout
way to answer your question, is that yes, I don't
feel like my transness is political. I just am trans,
Like I have a lot of political opinions. I'm very
free to share them, but I don't think that my

(39:11):
transness is one of them.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
I just am trans. Like that's not like political to me.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
So when people try to make it seem like you're
an activist just for being trans, it's like a weird
way of kind of trying. It's like kind of trying
to like sumear you in a way, yes, and.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
By also by if somebody like introduces you in the
context of like, oh, this is a transactivist. And then
if I am put in a position where I'm asked
something that I'm I don't have all the facts on,
or if I'm you know, then get into some sort
of debate that I'm not ready to have it, then

(39:48):
kind of like it it looks bad for all of
us because I wasn't ready to do that and I
didn't want to take that title on. Yeah, So I
think right now my two lanes that like I talked
about this in the video that I made for a
year two but I really think based on everything that
I've dealt with in the media and the brand landscape,
I really want to find ways to get trans people

(40:10):
back out into the sort of the bigger media landscape
of advertising and as well as scripted, and trying to
make sure that these companies and organizations, production companies, studios
aren't capitalizing on us in the wrong ways but are
really leaning into like, yes, I think they exploit that.
That's key, but also not like turning their backs on

(40:33):
us all together, because I think when we say please
don't exploit us, some people then go, okay, then we
won't use you at all. And that's the final line
of like, okay, great, then let's figure out what that means.
And then I also like, yeah, I love Broadway, like
I'm a fucking Broadway girl, and it's a really crappy

(40:53):
landscape right now for trans people and commercial theater, and
so I want to figure that out too.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
But that's like two little tiny.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Versions of activism that I feel like I can really
speak on. And then as I feel more ready to
have some of the more difficult discussions, I'm the first
one to be like, Okay, now I'm ready to do that,
but I have to like privately learn how to do
that first.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right, And and again, like it's something that like you'll
get from both sides, because like, yeah, like being positioned
as an activist, like everything you say will be like
held up to like that higher pedestal. And yeah, like
conservative people will do what they always do. But you'll
also get a lot of cynicism from like especially like
very like online like trans people who like and I

(41:42):
don't know, I've always tried to like make a point
with this show to like, you know, like not engage
with that, because the cynicism from like trans people is
something that I understand, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
And sometimes warranted, like like even towards me.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
I'm ever, if I've watched a video of a trans
woman speaking ill of me, it can be frustrating, but
at the same time, like I would never like wish
them ill because of it or not be open to
like communicating further. And I think we're you know, we
don't all have to be BFFs, but right I hopefully

(42:22):
we can find.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
We can be annoying, Yeah, be annoying.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
I just wish there was like a level of respect
and humanity, And I've seen some people do that really
really well when critiquing others.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah, And there's a big difference between like, you know,
someone making a cynical critique that comes from like a
place of like hate and discuss and yeah, and one
that comes from like yeah, like the trans person, like
critiquing you. You know, they might be in bad faiths
to a degree, but they probably don't like hate you
or like hate trans people, you know, like they're probably

(43:01):
just it's I don't know, it's coming from a different place.
And I think that that's like important to like always
kind of like be aware of as like trans people
in the media.

Speaker 6 (43:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, Dylan, I want to try and kind of wrap
up talking about what we're looking forward to in the
next year of girlhood, okay, which you kind of teasing, Yeah,
but I want to know Janie and I really want
to know when, if and if when are we going
to get an album?

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Oh my god, I don't.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, is that in the world as a full length
producers features?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
I think after last week, I am I'm not running
into the studio to make it. I would love music
to be something that feels like every so often like
little gift to myself if I have really something that
I want to share and funny enough, I I actually
love listening to Joni Mitchell and Brandy Carlyle and Carol King,

(44:10):
like that's my kind of favorite music.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
So I could see later in my life.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Maybe a folk album. She's coming out with a focus.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Yes, a little folky or maybe country, could you imagine
very I.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Love I love making a country album.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
It right, So no, you're going to be holding your
breath for a long time before waiting on an album.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
But I I am. I love trying everything.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
And I think we've got a podcast that we might
be seeing this year, Carmen Wing, and then my book
I think will be coming out next year, which so
so there's a lot of things to look forward to.
And and the way that the Internet has worked is
like everything has to be so fat, like it needs

(44:56):
to happen so fast. And I'm now excited to just
like sit back and let some of the longer they
form things and projects start to really come to fruition,
especially because like this is an election year, it's going
to be really polarizing in general, Like I don't want
to be like oversaturating the internet or media with like

(45:18):
my face everywhere, so being really particular about why and
what I'm putting out there. What do what do y'all
want from your next year?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
From my next year? I want my insurance to approve
my facial feminization surgery because they've denied it three times.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
And what the hell.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, I've I had to switch I have It's a
long story, Dylline. I've had to switch insurances, I've had
to switch doctors. It will get covered. I will be
having this FFS hopefully. I've just let me do like I'm.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Just me and Janie were just give us like a
scalpel and it'll be great.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
To me as a scalpel and some morphine and I
will go down on you. But now it's looking like, yeah,
I mean, that's like one big thing that I that
was on my last year of girlhood. But I spent
a whole year with an insurance company and a doctor
that wouldn't that just didn't work. So it's on this
year for girlhood for me.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well mentioned this a few times, But I have an
album coming out, my second Top.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, we just released a new single for it, Karma
and in the music video, well she's in the music
the song.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, yeah, i'll send it to you.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I actually have it up because I was just sending
it to Kurt, But yeah, I'll send it to you
if you want to see it.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
It's very punk. Yeah, I have a new album coming out.
It should be out by June.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So I'm really excited about that because really like the
album was finished, like writing it last year. I've just
spent like over a year just like tweaking it and like, yeah,
like this is what I love to do. Like I
love to make music, I love to perform, I love
making art. Making this video too was like a blast,

(46:58):
like getting able to like script it, get everyone together.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
It was a very like communal release party at Mary. Yeah,
it was.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
It was so cool, Like it was really like and
also like playing shows like last year. Each year like
since I've started the Janey Danger like project has been
better than the last one. So yeah, And I'm just
like a girl in my room, like I just make
all this ship like in my bedroom.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
We're all just I'm a girl in my closet right now.
I'm very sorry about that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
She does this, she does so yeah, the new album.
I'm also getting my my first surgery. Uh it's not
gender confirming. I just have a deviated septum and need
to get that so.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
On tour.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
And also I looked this up because I thought this
was funny. Dylan do you know what a day? Are
you still counting days?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Or okay, day seven thirty? Oh god? Now trigger where
seven point thirty was there? Seven? What's today?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Now?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
The twenty March? We're recording this one forty three seven
forty three? Okay, amazing? That sounds like a lucky number
Angel numbers.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Oh yeah, seven four three sure?

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Seven seven seven is going to be your lucky day?
Do you count it from like when you started hormones
or just like the day that you woke up publicly?

Speaker 4 (48:30):
But I started hormones like maybe four months ahead of that,
but really this is the tea. Also, at one point,
my hormones like got off and and like the my
numbers like completely went in the wrong direction for like
whatever reason I could tell you, and I like I
went into a doctor and he was like, okay, so

(48:50):
basically this last year didn't really count, and I was.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Like just erasing all the ex's on your calend.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I thank you so much now from what I feel like,
the moans are yeh yeah, but that's also like like
uh in the grand scheme of things, like I talked
about this too, but I can't watch to my mom
And I was four there were moments of high school
where like I would have loved to have transitioned.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
So I'm going to tell you you wouldn't have finished
high school. You would have become a drug addict.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Oh oh my god, it was just sorry.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Oh I I just.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
Don't want people to think that it's like seven thirty
of like getting an idea to be a one, because
that was so and most people don't again like media,
I'm curiously no, it's it's but I will say the
fact that I can now go back and be like, oh,
on day three, like my memory has gotten so much
better because I have these like references for things that

(49:52):
sounds amazing like it I feel like it's like fighting
dementia because I'm really I'm like, I'm with it.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Generally it's good.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
So you've heard it here. First, folks, if you transition,
you will never get dementia.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
So and you make a video every single day documenting
what you're doing, you will have a decent memory.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
That is similar to what happens in fifty. First, imagine
if you woke up on day three sixty five and
you forgot everything.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Honestly great like that, if I could forget all of
the trauma would it would be a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, but then it wouldn't have made you who you are.
It wouldn't made all. It doesn't kill you what strong strong.
I'm not going to sing it because I'm not a
good singer. But well, Dylan, but you were in the
music I was in the music video.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I was.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I was one of the music video girls in my
thong and my I was, I was made. I made.
I've made like a bunch of like spooky masks out
of real process by the way, which I was allergic
out of dead, which I was very allergic. Was like
I have analogies.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
So just when you watch this, yeah, I think part
of making art is like poisoning people, like a little
buzz sprinkling some toxicity around.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Well, Dylan, it was amazing talking to you today. I
can't thank you enough for taking the time. Thank you
to be here with us. No, thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
Huge.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
This is a huge moment for translated. Okay, this is huge.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Well, and it's funny because I was like getting ready
to do it's like I'm not going to wear any makeup,
Like it was like I like I thought there was
something nice.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
About going on beauty translated with a bare face.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Yeah, you look beautiful, he looks. I usually do you
just roll out of bed and.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Just like and do the damn thing?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah? Who are we talking to?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
I do like that? Is that a red lip?

Speaker 6 (51:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Oh yeah, I love it. Brands this they're basic brands.
She does it?

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Okay, Well, thank you, yeah, thank you so much. Yeah,
we really appreciate this, and good luck on your three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
ten and forever girlhood, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And hopefully we'll be together in person at some point.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
That would be really about we're coming to La. We
gotta we'll go to get me out of George. Yeah,
you're not the first guests to invite us, so.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Yeah, hopefully the invitees open.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Thank you. Yeah, the beauty translated yeah in La. All right, Well,
thank you, Dylan. Thanks thanks for listening to our interview
with Dylan Mlvaaney. We're going to take some calls from
our lovely listener.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Hello beauty.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
So back in the end of like January, you both
listened to my rapper situation or hey guess mc as
Jane referred to him. But he is gone now and
sadly I have lost all of my hostes and the

(53:00):
inbox is quite empty. So I was wondering, with summer approaching,
do you think is a good idea for me to
get back on the app now? Or kind of go
old school?

Speaker 3 (53:18):
And do I think it's called a meet cute?

Speaker 5 (53:22):
And the kids say, please give me your thoughts, share
inspiration of maybe a summer romance, or you know, maybe
give me one that went horribly wrong. I could use
either at this point, much love to you both.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Can I jump in first and say, I don't know
what the fucking meat cute? It's like a movie. It's
like a movie trup.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
That's not in the Bible, And I don't think you
should do that.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It doesn't sound like a your movie head, you're supposed
to know what a meat cute is? What movie? Is
that a movie? They bump into each other and I
fall in love. I spilled my coffee on you, and
I fell in love with you. That's a meat cute.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Oh Like when the nerdy girl like, oh, I dropped
all my papers, The handsome guy picks up all her
papers and then notices one of them is like for
a bottom surgery confirmation and looks at her and it's like, no, kitten,
you can't flip your wings.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Like that and then they fall in love. Yeah, it's
exactly that is a meat cute and also the plot
of a movie.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I'm sure I was about to say slump. It's like
how how to chase a girl in ten days or
how to be a chaser in ten ways? Yeah, ten
things I chase about you anyway, American chase her. I
think she should just go to some rat bottles, find
find like a real see because this I like I said,

(54:55):
when your first call, you were you're messing around with.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
The suck at MC big times see. Yeah, So yeah,
I think, yeah, go to a good eight mile style
rap battle. Yeah, find you the guy, hook up with
the guy who.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Go to go to the men's restroom, find the guy
that's like wretching and go in there and be like,
be rabbit, you can do this. You got this ship,
and uh, he's gonna go out there, he's gonna fucking
kill it, and then you're gonna suck the absolute life

(55:30):
out of his dick in the parking lot. Be eight inches.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
So yeah, I think you should attempt to meet cute,
but you should like follow a man into the bathroom.
That's what Jane and I are suggesting that, like, oh me,
what am I doing in here?

Speaker 6 (55:50):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I just came to give you some words of encouragement.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Or maybe do a thing where you write down a
bunch of your hardest bars and have them like handwritten,
like on a bunch of loose papers and then wrap
like or then go into a rap bottle and like
drop them in front of the guy like, oh, all
my bars everywhere, Oh my gosh, all my firefucking bars,

(56:15):
and he's gonna be like, damn, this bitch is spitting.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah. That's probably the best advice I've given on this
show so far. So yeah, I think we need to
just ditch the apps. Even though I met my boyfriend
on an app, I think it's time to ditch the
apps and go analog. Baby.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Maybe there's maybe unless there was an app like instead
of like grinder, it's like wrapper where it's where's where
you can find dope emces, hot.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Soccer emces near you, dope EMCs near you. These soccer
EMCs need your bars. These soccer EMCs want to steal
your flows. Right now, I think you should get ahead
of the curve and get on it, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yeah, that's my advice. Yeah, shall we take the next one? Yeah,
let's see what our other our final call of the show.
Let's see what they got for us.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
Hi, longtime listener, one time guest, first time caller. I
have always thought I was a lesbian, but have lately
tried to like started thinking about, like what would it
be like to be with a man. I listened to
a lot of true crime, and I'm terrified of men.

(57:36):
So I was wondering if you had any advice for
those of us who are having our second to sexual
awakening or third whatever and want to take steps towards
cooking up with a guy but are scared and clueless.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Thanks love y'all. Bye.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Stop listening to true crime. Yeah, that's gonna be my
first This is a firmly anti true crime podcast, so
that's gonna be my first piece of advice.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
To I'll ruin dick for you, for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
It is garbage that is only there to like make
you more afraid to dude.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I genuinely think like there is this is conspiracy brain
Cheney coming out, but I think I'm right that there
is some kind of connection between like the rise in
true crime podcasts and the Rise, and like security state
technology like ring doorbells and like people who put like
cameras in their house.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I can say I used to dabble in true crime
podcasts back in the day, like when I first started
listening to podcasts. I don't like them anymore because I
need I don't need, I need to fucking laugh, okay,
And they intentionally like the ads that they have are
like for simply safe and for like ring and for
like other home security type things, and it's just so telling.

(59:04):
It is very telling. They're literally scaring the shit out
of you and then they go to an ad break
and they try to sell you home security. It would
be like if I told you that you are extremely
clocky and bricky and blah blah blah and cut ads
offs vfs and fucking like find a surgeon near you.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You know, well, I think you just found a really
good pitch for our next show. But yeah, podcast the Swan, Yeah, yeah,
I like that. Yeah have you seen the Curse? I
remember talking about this on episode one, But there's a

(59:46):
very funny bit and where Benny Saftey is like, this
was my show and it's like like a bunch of
like twelve women who are like vying for the love
of like a burn victim.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Oh my god, pretty pretty tangential. But I have not
seen that it's a funny show. Yeah, uh, okay, men
are not that hard to hook up with. I will
say that is true. You don't have to do a lot.
Men are not used to receiving compliments. Compliment them, and
then instantly they'll just be you know, And I would say,

(01:00:20):
it's probably harder to hook up with a woman. But
you know what, I've actually never tried. Oh no way, nope,
it's it's about it's about even it's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
About fifty to fifty honestly, Like, well, look, I understand
being a little more cautious of guys. They're they're strong,
like they're like there is they're scary legitimately reasons to
be like trepidacious there Yeah, But that being said, like
you can't go around your whole life just being afraid
of the world around you like that. There's plenty of

(01:00:54):
guys that are nice and chill. And as a firm
rule that I've always kind of like uh said, when
giving like girls advice about like cooking up with men, like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
It's a lot more comfortable to like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Maybe find like like honestly like bisexual guys, like guys
that you won't have to worry about like the murdering
in the middle of the night, because yeah, yeah, guys
that are like generally like more aware murder off. They're
like sexual like desires their sexual orientation. Like honestly, there
is a contingent of like I don't like using the

(01:01:31):
word chaser, like when it's like misapplied, but because I
think that like many a man being attracted to trans
women is like fine, but like not automorly yeah right, yes, exactly,
And but there is like a contingent of guys that
are just aware that they like trans women and will
be like very forward about it. And I don't know,

(01:01:52):
as long as it's a guy who's going to take
you on a date, hold your hands in public, treat
you nice, and not be ashamed of you, that's probably
a guy that's gonna be normal, un chill and like
someone that you can like trust intimately.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Like that I will say. From from the apps, I mean,
the apps are I think essential for quit hashtag girls
like us in that sense, because you're really able to
do a lot of vetting on a aapp. I don't
know about you, Janey, but on an app, I can
instantly tell when a guy is an asshole and not
oh I can't. So I'm like, yeah, no, you're like not,

(01:02:27):
Like I can just tell by if they're wearing Oakley's
if he won't show his face, that's no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
It's like just there's certain rules like that, like if
he won't show his face, then don't go out with him,
like just period blank period. Yeah, if he if he
only wants to like look up behind closed doors, I
mean granted, yeah, maybe, like yeah, if that's what you want.
But generally speaking, like I think that that is a
bigger red flag, then it might be worse.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
That's rodding, let me tell you, because those guys are
so fucking in their head that they will make up
any kind of scenario that you're telling people about it,
and they'll be like, oh, I'm not saying that this
really happens. But like those guys that are like super
like oh we got to keep it quiet or whatever,
they're just like yeah, crazy, they're crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Or they could be like cheating on their like partner
in a way that you don't want to be entangled
with then you're going to have like we've talked about that. Yeah, yeah,
I told you about the little the short, little Italian
girl that like drove to my house. Like you don't
want to deal with something like that, like just get you,
like if you can find someone who yeah, if you're
on an app and you find someone who will show

(01:03:37):
his face, or if you're in public and you find
someone who like approaches you and is like you know,
it isn't going to be like you're not going to
have like a crying game like type situation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
I think you'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I mean, relationships are tricky and I can't make any
like promises after that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
But like you know, I don't think you can go
around your whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Being like scared that like someone's gonna like murder you,
because I mean my house could collapse right now on
top of me and kill me like it's and I
have to me's fucking too. So yeah, then I won't
have to pay rent this month. So yeah, I think
that about does a Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I was gonna say too, just like any guy with
tattoos usually a good guy to go for piercings, you
know that. Being said, I have a boyfriend with zero
piercings and zero tattoos. Software engineers always want to fuck
the dolls. Okay, true, find you a software engineer. Yeah,

(01:04:42):
they make good money too, they do weah, so yeah,
and you're I think this listener lives in New York,
and I just know that there are some Oh come on, yeah,
doll eleven men? What are we go down to? What's
that bar that everybody goes to? Fuck? I can't there
like a meme about it that goes around online like

(01:05:02):
saw those uh mean transsexual outside smoking a cigarette and
she's not a lesbian or something like that? What cut all? This?
This is brambling. This is like brain less rambling. Okay, well, y'all,
thank you so much for all of your your many
many hours of listening.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, if I may, I just want to I want
to thank everyone that I reached out to that took
the time to come on the show. Thanks again to
Dylan mulvaney, Thanks to Hala Hessa, Liz Vera, Drew Domino,
the Girls Like the Girls, thanks to Sophie, thanks to Yeah,

(01:05:50):
thanks to Josh Indrementum. These are all great people and
I'm glad, Uh, I'm glad that I got to introduce
them to this audience. I'm glad that you know, to
kind of cross pollinate audiences like that, because I think
that they all make very very worthwhile stuff, very very

(01:06:12):
talented writers, comedians, creators, and yeah, I just want to
thank them all for taking time out of their day
to come join us and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Talk about some bullshit. It really, it really does mean
a lot to me. Thanks to Jessin, Kurt, the producers,
and thank you to my best friend Carmen. I love you.
Thanks for letting me do this with you. It was
so much fun. And thank you for making this season

(01:06:46):
absolutely amazing. This isn't it for Janie and I. We
are working on another project, so stay tuned. I love
working with Janie so much and she really brings out
the comedian and me. So she and I are going
to be brainstorming some ideas for the future. So stay
tuned and keep your eyes on the feet. You never

(01:07:08):
know I might pop on here with some surprises of
what we've got, what we've got coming up and stuff.
So but yeah, thank y'all so much for your many
hours of listening to Beauty translated. Thank you for following
me from the very start when I just started, and
all of the amazing guests that I was able to

(01:07:30):
get on the podcast over the time, you know, it
was absolutely incredible, and I'm just, you know, really proud
of what we've done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yeah, I am too. I'm very proud of the show.
And yeah, I'm very fortunate to I've gotten to do
this and to have this opportunity. So thanks to iHeart,
thanks to anyone that I may have forgotten to mention,
and thanks to any new people, new people that supported

(01:08:03):
that like the music, came to the shows called in
really appreciate all the callings.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
It's like, I really did not expect.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
So many just like sincere like people like I don't know,
I expected so much like bullshit, But every almost every
call we got was just a very like sincere, like
queer person that like wanted to connect them. I know,

(01:08:35):
we made a lot of like jokes and stuff, and
that's fun. It's a it's a comedy show. But there's
been a lot of people that have reached out to
me and said like that we actually helped them, and
I'm really.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Glad we could do that. So thank you. Yes, I'm
sorry we had to end this on like a somber note.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
But we've had a lot of fun here, so I
feel like you deserve a little dose of illness.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Yeah, I agree. Welcome to the Welcome to the real
fucking world. Bit take your hormones, it's the real world.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Me and Carmen will be back together in some capacity soon,
back in the cot. We'll be we'll be hanging out,
we'll be going to movies, we'll be chilling and hopefully
we can cook up something for you in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
And I hope to see you guys there. So thank
you all. Yeah, thank you guys so much. We really
appreciate it. Thank you beauties, and we hope you follow
us on our next yearn Yeah, thank you beauties. Goodbye,
what beautiful Forever.