January 15, 2020 • 45 mins
Actor and comedian Bobby Lee tells all about coming up in the world of comedy and how he turned his personal struggles into art. When I sat down with Bobby, I knew he would be hilarious, but he was also candid, raw, and totally honest. On this episode, find out how he got his start on MAD TV, stories from behind the scenes, and what’s next.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart
Radio and t DC Media to What I had to
do was I had to do an open mic two
where I'm at now, and that road is long and hard,
but I did it. I'm just gonna just do what
I do. I'm gonna wear what I wear. I'm gonna
say what I say. If I never make it, I
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ever make it. If they don't like you, what is
the consequence? Really? Nothing, nothing happens. I'm on a wave
and I'm riding this wave. I don't know how long
this wave is gonna last. Hopefully it lasts for a while,
but if it doesn't, I know that. You know, I'm
always going to be out there. And this is my
little too, also known as Bobby Lee. But today I'm
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going to be called so the whole time, we're just
going to keep saying, don't do until y'all stop watching.
You're going to be here. Thank you. I'm a little
too loud. It's blowing my mind. Oh there we go.
That's fine. You can adjust it to whatever makes you
have a very loud voice. You do. Thank you, You're welcome.
You know you're my favorite, my favorite too. Generally speaking,
you're my favorite. Genetically very good, your face genetically perfect,
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genetically perfect to look at my face. No, you're beautiful circle. No,
you're perfect circle. It's like a yellow moon face. You're
like the moon and the stars and everything in between.
So I know you're super busy. So I'm really grateful
that you're here today. Kidding me, um, I didn't even
know I was going to do it until today, but
it's I wanted to pretend like you've been. I've been
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looking forward to it from last week, but then I
had amnesia. I've heard you had an advent calendar and
you were leading up to the day every day. Yes,
I was for the last three years, even before the
studio was built, before the show even exists. Start checking
it and stuff. So his hand, So that's our that's
Steven Stephen. What did happen to your hand? Oh? I know, Oh,
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it's a it's an exciting story. Then good, he's up
the zoo if you guys can't hear, and tigers escaped
and clawed his hands. That's cool. So that's what happened,
now that we got thought out the way, shall we? Yeah? Yeah, okay, great?
So so the whole series is designed to inspire people
who maybe a young a young little to do coming
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up in the world, trying to become a grown to
do like yourself. Well, you know, the thing for me
is that I didn't know I wanted to do what
I'm doing until I was doing it. Just like you
just showed up on the show, you didn't even know.
I lived my life. I wake up and I go, okay,
I don't stress about things, and I go what do
I need to do today? And I do it the
best I can. I'm a stand up comic. So I
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started to stand up in and So I was working
at a coffee shop and it closed, and then right
next door it was a comedy club, and I just
a pretty famous comedy club the comedy store. But back
then the San Diego wasn't um that popular, and I signed.
I got a job there, first as a bar back,
and then a month later I did open mic night,
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and then five years later I was I did Jay
Leno and then but they're like, so much happened in
between day. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about all
that because stand up is, in my opinion, one of
the hardest things on earth to do, and people are
there in the crowd wanting people to crash and burn
on stage. They don't want to laugh. No, no, I laugh.
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I'm the generous No no, I am a generous over laugher.
And I snort sometimes only because I know that ship
is hard, and it's like, to me, it's my biggest
fear to stand up there, and like, you are there
to entertain people and that's it, right, And so that's
a lot of pressure. And if you're having an off
day and people don't laugh, how do you not run
off the stage crme? Well, because um, you have to
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build a thick skin. And I was very sensitive. But eventually,
and you know, if I had a bad show, it
would really affect me, like I wouldn't be able to sleep.
But then eventually what happens is that you stop caring.
Is it because you have so many reps in and
you're going every right because you realize that what is
the if they don't like you? What is the consequence? Really? Nothing,
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nothing happens. It's all my internal perceptions and how we
feel about it. So it's like, you know, I saw
a guy bomb on TV. I don't want to name who,
you know who it was but he wasn't doing well
on TV. I was like, I was living in San
Diego and I was watching it. He was bombing, but
there was like no canned laughter, but he seemed fine
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with it. So because he seemed fine with it, I
was okay with it watching him, And then I thought
it was cool that he was like I didn't care
like that. I know I'm funny, you know, can I
say funk? Yeah? I just did these people? You know.
So what happens is you eventually um you you grew
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immune to people's um you know. Is it more about
becoming immune or is it more about like building up
the inner confidence and saying, you know what, I'm here.
I'm not going to let them tear me dow. I'm
not going to let them tell me I'm not good enough.
Bombing is inevitable no matter what do you consider bombing
people not laughing just or just like you know, you
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you're telling jokesone's laughing, or like something happens in the
room where you lose control of the room and there's
nothing you can do about it. For me, it's like
that's inevitable. No matter what level you are at, you're
gonna go through that so um for me, it's just
like you know, realizing that this is not my night,
and um, I don't really give a funk about these people,
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and you just okay, and then but we care. I
care about you. I care about you personally. But like
you know, also, I'm not one of those comics that's like, yeah,
I have a great job. I'm trying to make people
laugh and escape there. You know, they're daily you know,
routines of you know, I don't know, mine is a war.
I don't view the audience as somebody I'm trying to help.
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I view them as somebody I have to defeat, right,
like an animal that I have to tame. And sometimes
I can't tame that animal. I think that's the way
I get through it. You know. Yeah, what has been
what has been the biggest challenge? Like where do you?
Is there like a consider stint thing that came up
for you in the earlier days that that had you
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lose control? Was there something in what you were doing well?
I mean, you know, you had a lot of comics
locally in San Diego, or like you have to do
it this way or you know you're too dirty because
I was very I'm still very dirty. On stage, I
swear a lot. I talked about things that um, you
know I got the God wouldn't like, but um Jesus
or whatever I had, or they go, you have to
wear a suit to do corporate gigs and do all
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these things. And I just thought to myself, I'm just
gonna just do what I do. I'm gonna wear what
I wear. I'm gonna say what I say. If I
never make it, I ever make it. But at the
end of the day, what happened was I stuck to
my guns, and I, um, even in San Diego, like
if a headliner would walk in, like you know, someone
like Polly Shore, Ice Clay or something like that, and
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they would see me, you know, there was something about
me that they liked, and so I started opening for
all these guys like Carlosmonca from San Diego. So I
just stuck to my guns. And I still stick to
my guns. You know, even when you're I'm acting in
a director gives me a note sometimes I just can't
do it the way they want me to do it.
So I'm just going to do it the way I
think it because this project and it doesn't feel authentic
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to like you and who you are as an artist.
Maybe well, sometimes I just can't do it, you know,
I just I just don't know what they're saying, and
I can't do it. So I just kind of stick
to my guns and do my thing. I got booed
off the stage in front of twenty thou people. When
was that? That was recently? This is after you've made it?
People booed me off stage? Where was that? Up at North?
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It was in San Jose. Do you know what caused
the booing? Did you? I had to follow Leslie Jones
and she was on fire that night, and they actually
boot you off the stage. I don't remember because I
blacked out, you know, I blacked out for us, So
I don't know exactly what happened. But um, I was
off staged for like two or three minutes and then
I just kind of blacked out. And then I was
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backstage in some room with my shirt off because I
was sweating so are And I remember my agent Matt
was next to me and he was cackling, like laughing,
you know, just maniacally. I go, what happened? He goes,
I've never seen anyone bomb like that. Do you even
remember what was happening starting gibberish, So you were literally
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just not you know, and yeah, then then I remember
that night. I was in the hotel room and I
was like laying there right, and that just you know,
you kind of relive certain parts of it that you
know that you remember and then just eventually just kind
of go, all right, that happened, and then you wake
up and you're fine. Yeah. So one of the questions
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we ask all the artists and the creators on here,
and everybody we have on is super successful, and you
are no exception. We always ask about, like the worst
day you got to before I even got to for you,
was that, Well, that's not even the worst day. I
have so many bad days, but I can't even you know,
like fifty stories up that was there a day that
so you woke up the next day and you had breakfast,
you were fine, you moved on. Was there a day
that you almost just said I'm done, I'm quitting this.
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This is not I mean, but that had nothing to
do with the show. It had to do with the
trajectory of my career. Well, that's just as important of
a conversation because I think a lot of people set
these goals, and a lot of times these goals you're
already hitting them and you're already really successful. But to you,
you're not. So you think you're failing. Yea, but I
am failing. No, you're not. I know. But the thing
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is is that I here's the thing. I don't want
to fight with you. I do. I want to fight. Yeah,
but um, the way I and this is probably not healthy,
but the way I get through things is through I
had to motivate myself. And for me to motivate myself,
I have to create these rivalries and this and and
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and an atmosphere that's going to get me out of
where I'm at. Where did that come from? I think Korean?
I don't know Koreans do it? You know, Like, yeah,
there's a lot of like there was a point where, like,
you know, I was on a show called mad TV
Freight never heard of it. I think it's got canceled. Yeah,
but you were basically the star of the show. They're
somehere thinking, but Peel, you made history with that show.
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And you know, Alex Borstein did very well. They're all
they're all great, but so are you. I feel like
you're the type of person you would win like ten
oscars and still think you're not doing it. Maybe people are, well,
here's what happened. So then after Matte was over, I
couldn't get any work at all, Like I couldn't you know,
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get an audition. I couldn't get anything going. And for years,
why do you think that was successful? No, we would
call casting directors and they would say, yeah, he was
on Matt TV though, so we're not gonna they didn't
like the show. People only later liked the show, you know,
because the kids that watched it all became in there, became,
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you know, in their twenties, and they started having some
sort of power. And then you know, and then people
from a show started blowing up, like he and Peele
blew up, um Ike Barrenholt started doing well, you know,
Alex will sat so a bunch of these people will
people just started working and then we became kind of cool.
But in the beginning, it was terrible. And my doctor
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Ken Jong started working a lot, and he came in
under the same type and he was just getting every
role and I couldn't even get in the room to
compete with for those roles, and so I just kind
of set her on and said, um, you know, I
look back and I go I did it. I did
eight years on the show. I did stand up at
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tonight show. I did a couple of couple of lines
and a couple of movies. I think that that's fine,
let's get out of here. No. But the reason why
I did is because I didn't know what else to do,
like if somebody something else had come up for me
to like, I had to you have to survive and
make money. So for me, the only way to make
money was to do stand up. So I would do
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shows on the road. So I was always touring, so
every year I would just be doing thirty forty dates,
weekends whenever. And then you're just out in like Nebraska
or Illinois, and you're just out there grinding it out.
And sometimes you would make good money, sometimes you wouldn't,
but you know, you you have to survive as a
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human being in this society. And then, um, what happened was, um,
you know that whole analogy of waves, It was true.
So like you know, Matt TV was a wave that
I rode for a long time and then I then
I caught the wave, went back out there and I
waited for the next wave, and they waited for years
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when a wave came along. So another wave came along.
So what happened was I got the show called Animal Practice.
It was a NBCi, it was a show about veterinarians.
It was a sitcom and there was a monkey in it.
And then I was in the Dictator and then I
booked another pretty big thing. And then after those things
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were over, I waited another three or four years, three years,
and then now I'm on a new wave now, which
is I did this Viceland show, I did Love a
little bit. I'm on a sitcom now, and um, I
did a couple of movies and and I had my
podcast is doing well. So I'm gonna the big I'm
in the biggest wave that I've ever had been on. So,
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so how are you feeling right now? Great? Good? I'm
so grateful, Thank you Lord. No, but you're You're a
good place right now. Life's good, right, Yeah, I'm on
a wave and I'm writing this wave. And then, um,
I don't know how long this wave is gonna last.
Hopefully it lasts for a while, but if it doesn't,
I know that, you know, I'm always going to be
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out there. And so you know, what I realized about
myself is I'm always gonna try, which is it's it's cold,
because here's the things is that you have these dreams
and these goals, but you know, as I think it's
the human condition where nothing ever really just kind of
completely sad because you get to the next one and
then you see the mountain right above and you're like,
one more year and I can get there. And you
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also realize that you think that it's going to fix
you in some way, that if I get this, this
and this, I'm going to feel this way and then
everything will be great. But what you realize is that
you can never escape yourself. And I have so many
issues and problems and you know mental, you know anguish
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that I have to fix those things internally for me
to ever be happy, and I refuse to because the
fact that I think that it's going to affect my
comedy in some way. So you think that in some
ways the trauma and all the stuff you've gone through
makes you the funny person that you are. But I'm
also impossible to live with, like my girlfriend is at
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the end, tell me why you're so impossible to live with?
I can't even begin if this was a five hour podcast.
But I am a living nightmare. I'm like, I'm like Geoffrey,
I'm jof Free from Game of Thrones. I am yeah,
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like you see me now and you're like, oh, he's like,
you know, you know soft kind of like you know
Asian guys. Funny, I'm Craig Cray. I think you're hard
on yourself, and I'm Craig Craig crazy like you know,
I'll like, I'll tell you, I'll give you one story
love story time here. So I was playing this game
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called Red Dead Redemption two. Have you heard of it?
Have you guys heard of that game? No, my good
friend's nephews, you guys played that game. Yeah. So I
was playing Red Dead Redemption and um, one of the
goals was to kill five cougars with an arrow. But
cougars are very difficult to find in the game. It's like,
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let me ask you something, how many Eskimos have you
met in your life? None? That I remember exactly. That's
what cougars are in the game. Okay, you never see him. Okay,
so um, so I finally found It took me like
five hours to find a cougar. So I have my
bow and arrow and I'm going back like this, and
then my girlfriend goes and they look over like this,
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and I turned back. The cougar had bit my neck
right and then I died. I throughout the control like
screamed like anger. Oh it's just such crungy goods. Yea,
but yeah, I don't know when to talk to you,
you know. I mean, I go, what I'm playing that,
you know? And then you know, I'm just like, I'm
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forty seven years old. Who acts like that. It's the
fucking video game. You're passionate. You're not Joffrey because you
got upset over a video game. You're a passionate person. Oh,
but then here's I do Joffrey things like this though
here and then I choked her. I have before, but
but in fun, fun kept getting in fun. I'm kidding.
But um, I'll do stuff like um, like for my openers,
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Like sometimes I'm on the road and my opener is
about to go up on stage, I'll block him from
going on stage. They just said my name. I go, yeah,
you're not gonna how do you block I Just there's
a door usually to the stage, and you and I
just blocked the door, like, yeah, but I'll block it
for like two minutes, why just to see them suffer? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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oh I didn't and then yeah, and then they start
sweating and then I go okay, now yeah, or else
say you'll never open from me again unless you hop
scotches across the stage times. Is this your version of hazing?
Yeah yeah, and they go yeah, but it has nothing
to do with my aunt. You need to hop scotch.
You're never gonna open for me again. So then if
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I watched them on stage, I see the hop scotching,
Oh my god, I'll tell an opener. If you don't
say Yabba dabad five times during your act and you
can't tell the audience why you're saying it, right, you
have to do that so they'll go ya and then
just go into their act. It's so fun for me,
but that's very job for you. Ask I was not
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expecting that story. I'll tell you that much. That means no.
I Actually it's playful. It's like a fun older brother hazing.
You're just you know, like you've worked up the ranks
and now they're just paying their yabba dabba. Dude, Come
on like it? Do you just stand up because I
would shoop my pants publicly you would pants, yes, and
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privately no. But I'm just saying, like, that's why I
commend you guys for what you do, because not only
are you up there and doing your thing, but you're
expected to deliver something that will make everybody have an
emotional reaction to you. That's that's a lot of pressure. Yeah,
but you're doing exactly what I do without an audience. Yeah.
But like in my head, I think they're laughing when
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I said yeah, but Dad would do. I'm like, I'm
so funny in my head, but nobody they laugh because
I pay them right right. But what I'm saying to
use this is what what end up happening is you
do what you do on stage, and you're going to
be able to like if they don't laugh, you'll be
able to handle it. I actually think I'm quite funny,
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but funny call me Roberts. So you should try it.
I should. Can I open for you? You You would never
let me open for you, because they should on your stage?
Can I see this if you said to me, I
want to try it? Like, this is what I do.
I play the Irvine improv once a year and I
always have new comics go up and for like people
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have never done it before. I had, um, Michael Rosenbaum,
you know who played Lex Luthor on Smallville, he did
it for the first time opening from me. There Will Sasso,
who was a mad TV guy. He did it there.
And I always have new people do it there. It's
in front of six seven people, and if you ever
wanted to do it, should trying. So Like, I think
I'm funny in a like I can play off of
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you way. But comedians are storytellers. So you'll get up
there and you'll talk about a very ordinary thing and
it becomes hilarious. I don't know, You're like, yeah, you
can do it, so like what do you just take
a regular thing that happened in your day and then
you just exaggerated because it's not all true. I mean
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there is like ways to like, um, you don't If
you don't want to do it, you don't have to
do it. I want to be I want to be
the next Bobyl. Do you want to try? You do?
Have you ever thought about doing it? Though? Everyone I
know and I'm not trying. This is not the Tatiana
Show right now. It's all about you but everyone I
know tells me I should do improv, but I'm my
biggest fear. I'm telling you take away the crowds, I
would do it. Improv is different though, Well you should
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try because you're with other people and they can like balance, Yeah,
you bounce people. But stand up is you're about yourself, yeah,
and you're everyone's just looking at you, like, make me laugh.
That's why I always snort and laugh really loud in
the audience because I'm like, I'm you know, I'm pathetic.
But there's something about there is something about being up
there and hearing the roar or even silence and people
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just staring at you and they're listened to everywhere that
you're saying. There's just something about that that's like, um,
like going to church or something like very kind of spiritual.
And I don't I don't want to sound narcissistic or
like no or whatever, but people are there to see you.
I mean, there is a thing where you're like and
then like sometimes I have a great show and the
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audience they'll stand or something after and then I can
go out there and you know, it's just there's something
about it that's better than anything else. That's ever existed. No,
I mean I believe that. And when you have a
good show like that, you're reminded why you're doing what
you do. So is comedy stand up specifically something that
because you're booking shows and you're on television and you're
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doing movies. Is comedy something in the stand up world
that you will always do no matter what because it
feeds your soul. Well, what happened was when I was
on mat TV for um eight years, I really didn't
do it that much because in my head, I'm like, oh,
I'm on TV now, because I was like that I
made it, yeah, And I'm like it was just like
in the tooth I got in two thousand and I
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was young, you know, and I was like yeah, and
then you're like, you know, we have you know. I
remember the first year I was there, Green Day played,
and you know, you see, like you know, guest stars
like Anna Faris or Ryan Reynolds, people just kind of
guest starring on the show and you're like there and
you're like, I'm a part of it. And then when
the show ended, I didn't do like concentrate on stand up,
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and so when I had to go on the road.
I didn't really have the time or the material to
do it, but I had to do it to pay
my mortgage because I bought a house. So I was strownding,
you know. On stage. I was frantically trying to figure
it out every show, and it was that first year
was really tough. Sometimes I would have to do forty
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five and I get off after the club, but don's
like only twenty five minutes. I don't know what else
to do. I no more jogs, you know, and they'd
be like, um, yeah, the next show, you have to
do forty five because we're paying you for you know.
So it was just a really tough after that. But
so I made a vow never to stop. So even
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now when i'm on you know, I mean, I'm only
like fifth lead on a on a sitcom, but but still,
I you know, when I'm working during the week, even
though I'm tired, I'll still go up, Oh, it's not marijuana.
It's just fine. It's just a jewel. Because I quit smoking.
You don't have to cover quit because the kids here.
I quit smoking and for two years, but I've been
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addicted to these jewels. Let me see what it's like
it's just um, is that a vape? I just sounded
like such a grandma a little vape? What is that?
You look like somebody that you don't? Do? You do rink?
I mean I love a good glass of veno, but
it's got to be a full body temperare Yeah, you
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spoke marijuana. Yeah, your children? I have a French bulldog.
Does that count? I have dogs as well? But why why?
Why do you do you do not do those things?
I don't know. I'm just like a control freak and
I don't like being out of control. I think that's
what it is. Yeah, I mean I went to college
in Miami, so I was satan for four years basically UM.
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But then you know, when you get that out of
your system, you become like the second coming of Christ.
And that's what happened to me. Yeah, Like I got
it out of my system and now I'm on that path.
Well I'm you know, you know, I've been sober for
sixteen years, right, But that was a full blown drug addict,
and I've always struggled with UM addiction and m alcoholism,
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even as a kid. I went to my first rehab
at the age of four. Wow. Yeah, and then I
went to rehabs until I was seventeen, and then um
I went to this place called McDonald Center, and that's
where I first got sober the first time. And I
stayed sober for thirteen years. And then when I got
on mat TV, UM relapsed. Yeah, yeah, you know, and
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then and then I got sober two years after that.
But that two years was the worst two years of
my life. The years that you were getting sober. No, No,
the two years. So when I was thirteen years sober,
I got mad TV and then I was doing was
I was partying the first two years I was at
Matt TV. And those first two years at mat TV
was the worst two years of my life. Are we done? Now?
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What is people doing? No, he's just he's just checking
the camera. He's like, he started talking about drugs. Shut
it down. This interview for me is a dream because
you're being honest and you're not doing like the pr
everything's perfect thing, which no one can relate to, by
the way, because people out there are dealing with the
same exact thing. So and also your success story, so
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it's great to share this. Yeah, I mean, I don't
think that um I would have any of the things
that I have. Even when I did stand up when
I was twenty three, from when I told you I
was working to coffee shop and all that I was
still I was very like active in my my recovery.
And I was. And the reason why I even did
stand up was because one night I was at a
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men's meeting and I was twenty three years old. It
was a Friday night. I was at this men's meeting
and you know, I was a speaker. I was the
first speaker. So I spoke, you know, at this meeting.
And this old man after the meeting comes up to
me and he goes, I've never seen him before or
after that, by the way, and he goes, a kid,
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you should do stand up? Was it Rocky Balboa? Does?
Want to sund like? And then he and I got really,
you guys, do something about I know I've never seen you,
you know, seen you before, but up there, that was
the funniest thing I've ever seen in a meeting. It
was supposed to be you'll you know, but um so
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that that that's planet of seed. And then you know,
a month later I did it. So without me being sober,
I don't think I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't be
here right now because everything just led up to you know,
everything this. Yeah, yeah, totally. And I think that's really
inspiring for people who might be in a dark time
right now, or they're in a rut and they do
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have big dreams, but they just can't get out of it.
You've had, like you said, waves of things that come
and go. What has been the thing? There's got to
be something that has pulled you out of those moments
because there are dark times like what has has it
just been internal? No? I mean people around you? Oh, No,
it's it's it's it's it's basically you. You can you
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can see kind of into the future to see you
can see where your life is going to end up.
It's that like, you know, in six months, I could
die kind of a thing where you go, you know,
if I keep doing this, I'm gonna lose everything, you know,
And a lot of people they just go to the end,
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right But for me, I'm lucky. I can just see
you know, imminent you know danger, So I just kind
of go, you know, I'm gonna quit right here because
I don't want to die, you know, And I have
parents that are still alive. I have a brother, I
have I have family, and you know you have a girlfriend?
Who have a girlfriend? Yes? That you can't you know
you want to destroy yourself. You know you have responsibilities.
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Why do you think drugs and partying is so relevant
in the comedy world. Is it just because you're up
late at night and you've got to like get yourself going,
Because there's there's obviously a trend with comedians, right well,
I mean, why do we do what? What is the
need to go up on stage and have and make
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strangers laugh? There is a weird but that's that's you
being in an entertainer. There's also, I think as a
stand up especially, there's something else going on there of
like this need for it, you know, because you're not
doing it. I don't care what any comics says. You're
not doing it to make people happy. You're doing it
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to feed something that's missing in your life or something
that you're you know lacking. Right, what is it for you? Well?
You know the reason why I relapsed in the first
place because I replaced stand up comedy for spirituality, right, so,
you know, in order for one to get sober, in
my opinion, is is that you need some sort of
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divine intervention or some spiritual awakening, right. But whatever ended
up happening is I started doing stand up and the
audiences applause and their affirmation filled whatever that thing that
I was missing. Where I was supposed to fill it
with spirituality, I filled it with something that was just
kind of like fleeting, you know, like you know people's
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you know, applause, and I thought it was spiritual. It
did fix me for a while, but it's like any
other drug. It's not real really, you know. So now
I don't take myself that seriously. Even if you know,
I'll go to some markets, I'll sell out, you know,
you know I wasn't very I sold out, so like
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see the tickets and you know, the rooms packed. Um,
you know, they come out, they cheer, you know, I
do it, but you know, afterwards, I don't have that
thing like, oh I'm special, you know, I just gotta go.
That's my job, and um, I say hi to people.
You know, it's not it's just it's a weird thing.
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Even um on the street, I just when people go,
can I get a photo? Yeah? Why? I don't know
why you would want one, But yeah, I don't have that.
You know, you see a lot of comedians that that
we're nice, but then they make it and they're just
full fucking douchebags and like and they buy it and
they and they swim in their own like narcissism and
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their ego and they think there's something special and then
they crash. You know, I'm not that. No, you're definitely not.
We Actually we're not going to name names that there
was a comedian who was supposed to be be on our
show and this person did not want to come to
the studio because it was in the middle of Hollywood
and they were afraid that they were going to get mobbed.
And in my head, I'm just like, you're not going
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to get mobbed. And it's great, it's like, you're really funny.
But we've had people in the studio who have like
fifty million followers. They didn't get mobbed because people have
like a sense of respect, right. But to me, that
was like the craziest thing. And I was just like, Okay,
I want your your safety is more important to me
to stay home. You know who I know who this
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comedian is? You might I so want to know so badly. Yeah,
But also like it's fine. I get that, but and
also it is it is a weird time right now
where I think celebrities do have to take an extra
a layer of security because people are crazy. Fans are crazy.
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I'm sure you've had a no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. Have you ever had a crazy fan story? No?
Because for me, it's like how can you especially with
with the Internet and social media and also YouTube stars
like for instance, I was this is funny. I was
literally I went to that lobby because it's a hotel, right,
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and I ran into this kid. I took a photo
of him, This kid Casper, right, he isn't like a
huge YouTube star from England. He's got like four million,
five million followers on Instagram, is a big star. The
reason why I know that was because I did his movie.
I was. I played the bad guy. Him and this
other guy YouTube star. They did a lions Gate movie
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and I was the bad guy, the nemesis in it.
And um, the thing is is that you know, with
these kids coming up in social media and and YouTube
and their power with all the followers and this, and that,
there is no way to become a star anymore. You know,
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there's It's not like in the eighties, you know, where
if you were on a sitcom there's only four channels
and you were an instant star. I mean you would
get like thirty million people watch your show. I'm on
a TV show. Now it feels like I'm on doing
community theater. I think that nobody has ever said to me,
I love you on that show, not one time? Right,
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So how do you you know if you were if
I was on you know, um, the original Roseanne or
Cosby Show or Seinfeld, like a huge show, that's one thing.
But if you're not on a show like that, there's
no way to behave that way because there's no real
reason because the people don't give a fuck. This is Hollywood.
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I lived right down the street, you know, and I've
done a million things. I walked on the street, like
one out of every person will say can I get
a photo? But like you know, even when I'm on
the roads, you know, in Canada, I'm a bigger star
just because Matt TV was bigger then. Still it's like,
what's it's not? It doesn't, it doesn't, it's nothing. What
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the fun is that I want to know who this
person is? Now it's Okay, it's cool. I'm complete with it.
You are I'm complete, okay, right, like I let things go.
It's like, fine, I'm not complete with it. So on
the topic of influencers, what do you think about like
this new wave of celebrity coming in. You've got like
these huge YouTube stars that are taking I don't want
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to say taking television roles because they're they're getting them right,
But how do you feel about this new wave of celebrity,
this new wave of actor who's not really necessarily an actor,
but they're getting their roles. They still have to compete
with us, right. It's like when I'm in an audition
and I'm testing for a network and you're performing in
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front of the executives and the president of a network
and you have to kill it, go ahead, try yeah,
because they don't at that point, they don't care how
many follows you are. You have to get the part.
So for me, it's like there's more people, but I
got in the door my own way. But the thing
is is that, um, I feel a little bit. This
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is gonna be difficult to say. I'm gonna say it
in my own way. When I was coming up, we
had no internet, so there was only one way to
do it, really, and there was actually only two ways
to do it there was as a stand up especially
is you get really good fifteen years later you become
a headliner, and then you come to l A and
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then see what happens, or you come to l A
before that and hopefully you can act as well. You
can luckily to land apart and then get it that
way right, And um, so I but I did Dorman
washing dishes, to come to l A the comedy store
in Hollywood, cleaning the roof, cleaning the basement, checking ideas
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for years. Then you climb up to like, um, your
first TV spot, and then you climb up to you know,
getting auditions. So I did it the way it was
set up, okay, And so there's something I didn't do
it in my bedroom and all of a sudden, straight
to you know, the casting office. No I did it.
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You know. I'm from a place called Poway, California. And
in Poway, my parents are immigrants. They owned clothing stores.
They don't not speak English, they don't know what Hollywood is.
I have no connection to Hollywood. So what I had
to do was I had to do an open mic
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two where I'm at now, and that road is long
and hard, but I did it, and there is something
about me I sometimes, you know, I'll close my eyes
on go I can't believe that you did it. And
I had a lot of hardships on the way, but
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nobody handed you a single thing. Yeah, and there is
a sense of pride. I guess when it comes to that,
you know that I did it, but you don't in
your head, you don't go you know I'm going to
make it. You just do what's in front of you.
And back then it was like, well I got booked
at this coffee shop on Friday. I'm gonna go do that.
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Oh um, I get to host a show where there's
a headliner. I'm going to do that. Oh I'm gonna
make twenty bucks if I do a show in Escondido.
I'm gonna do that. And you just do You just
live your life. How am I going to pay rent?
How am I gonna you know, like everyone else? And
then eventually you don't have a day job, and then
eventually you're fine. But now the system, so you did
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it that way right, you worked your way up. Now
it's like people are putting these skits on Instagram and
on YouTube, and you're seeing some of them open at
like laugh Factory the Comedy Store. What do you I'm
sure you've seen some of them bomb and you or
or do really well. Well, here's the thing, though, it's
like still at the end of the day they get
to the Comedy Store or laugh Factor, they still have
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to you know, compete against us. And you know this
show I'm doing Saturday with Burr and David Spade and
all these guys, they're beasts. I mean they're I know them,
They're beasts, and you know, in a packed room, they
also have names, so they have fans, and also they're
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at the top of their game. So yeah, I don't
care how you got there, but can you follow that?
And I'm going to tell you this, Papa. Can you
know if if Rogan or whoever is on the lineup,
I might not do as well. But I have no fear.
I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna walk off stage
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and people go, oh, you killed it or whatever. You know,
But I only got there because I put in the
work and the years, you know. And here's a little thing.
It is that those guys the reason why you do
all the work is because you eventually get the respect
of those guys as well. So when you're on stage,
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you don't feel like you're a a faker, you know what.
You know that you belong there because you have your peers,
you know, go yeah, and you guys a kind of
came up together. Yea yeah, And I'm not gonna say that, like,
you know, in the beginning was Joe Rogan and I friends. No,
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I was this kid, and I probably ran and got
a drink for him, and I probably, you know, it
was too scared to talk to him at one point.
But one day he says, what's up, dude, and you go, oh, oh, yeah,
I've been here for a while, right, And then eventually like, um,
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it's so funny because I here's here's the great thing
about working at a comedy club as a new comedian,
this is that not only do you meet because when
I started, you know, it was I saw Sebastian model
Skalko go up the first time and he bombed. He
just sold out twenty thousand seats and I think Pittsburgh
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or Philadelphia, right seats one show, right, I was there
when he bombed in front of like eight people or whatever,
and he was like, I don't know if I'm gonna
do this. I know, you know what I mean. And
I just saw him grow to this gigantic thing, right.
But not only that is by working at a comedy club,
you meet other people that might not be doing stand up,
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but they're like when I came to the comedy store,
there was a kid, Matt, and he used to hang
out at the comedy store and he was a male
room guy at GIRSH and he used to hang out
at the open mics, and you know, I became friends
with Matt and we became very close. And then Matt
became an agent at GERSH and then he became one
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of the head agents at GIRSH and then he signed
me and then I'm still with Matt. And then Matt
went to see A. He's the head of the commedy department.
But I knew I had known him for twenty over
twenty years and he's my guy. That's the That's why
coming to l A as a young person and doing
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these like you know, washing dishes and carrying ship and
all these little things, and you meet other people that
are struggling. There's another kid named Jordy who I used
to do open mics. He was kind of a bigger,
orange hairt guy who just wear this green tie on
stage and him and I would do all these open
mics here in Hollywood in front of nobody. Was dismal
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back in the late nineties. And he's one of the
executives at Comedy Central now right, and he's my friend.
He calls me, Hey, you want to do the show?
You know. So it's like, you know, that's why that's important.
You know, it's not skipping those things you can go to,
you know, do a YouTube video and have have to
generate an audience. And that's great, and I'm happy for you,
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but in many ways, I think that this way is
better for me because I need allies. Well, you built
a really solid foundation in your community, and I was
going to act. I was going to ask you this
question and closing, um, what is a piece of advice
you'd give somebody, the young hopeful comedian who's doing stand up.
They may be bombing, but you just I think you
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just answered it. You just have to put yourself in
the community and just immerse yourself in that world. From
what I hear and and don't be above taking the
mopping job at the comedy start. But I also think
that suffering is a part of it. It's the suffering
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makes you grow. The suffering. Also, when you start with
like ten guys, eventually seven of them leave. They quit
because they can't handle the suffering. But the two or
three of you that stick around, right, you're closer to,
you know, the top, so you can't. The suffering is motivation.
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It keeps you strong. And Allison is an actress and
should I she came in She's like, I'm just in
a mood today, but you know, she's very talented. I'm sorry,
I'm calling you out right now. You have these, especially
when you work in the industry. I go through it
myself where I'm just like, why am I doing this?
And I'm like, no, keep on, keep on, keep on. One.
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I mean, here's the thing. But like last year, right,
I was gonna quit doing acting because I I tested
for um This War a Brother Show and it was terrible.
I from the president of the network and it was
a horrible audition and I wanted to jump off a building.
And then this year my agent goes, you want an
audition for pilot. I'm not I'm done. I can't do
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it anymore. But what happened was, um, there was a
show that wanted me. I wouldn't audition, but then that
president last year I tested for. He said pretty much, Well,
he tested last year, so just give it to him.
So you just, you know, just by failing and showing
up the year before and then the year later, you know,
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I got awarded for you meet me bombing, you know
what I mean. But my point is that it just
I didn't quit. I stayed in town, and then you know,
here we are. You know anyway, I don't even like you.
You were the perfect interview. I promised you guys an
inspirational series, and you just basically killed it. I just
want to cancel the rest of the series now you
did it all. Are you gonna cry? Can you shoot
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your pants? You know what you're like? No, Bobby Lee,
what a delight. Thank you so much for stopping by.
That was he made us laugh. He got us to
think a little. Nobody's quitting anything ever. Behind the influence
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Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart
Radio and t DC Media to What I had to
do was I had to do an open mic two
where I'm at now, and that road is long and hard,
but I did it. I'm just gonna just do what
I do. I'm gonna wear what I wear. I'm gonna
say what I say. If I never make it, I
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ever make it. If they don't like you, what is
the consequence? Really? Nothing, nothing happens. I'm on a wave
and I'm riding this wave. I don't know how long
this wave is gonna last. Hopefully it lasts for a while,
but if it doesn't, I know that. You know, I'm
always going to be out there. And this is my
little too, also known as Bobby Lee. But today I'm
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going to be called so the whole time, we're just
going to keep saying, don't do until y'all stop watching.
You're going to be here. Thank you. I'm a little
too loud. It's blowing my mind. Oh there we go.
That's fine. You can adjust it to whatever makes you
have a very loud voice. You do. Thank you, You're welcome.
You know you're my favorite, my favorite too. Generally speaking,
you're my favorite. Genetically very good, your face genetically perfect,
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genetically perfect to look at my face. No, you're beautiful circle. No,
you're perfect circle. It's like a yellow moon face. You're
like the moon and the stars and everything in between.
So I know you're super busy. So I'm really grateful
that you're here today. Kidding me, um, I didn't even
know I was going to do it until today, but
it's I wanted to pretend like you've been. I've been
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looking forward to it from last week, but then I
had amnesia. I've heard you had an advent calendar and
you were leading up to the day every day. Yes,
I was for the last three years, even before the
studio was built, before the show even exists. Start checking
it and stuff. So his hand, So that's our that's
Steven Stephen. What did happen to your hand? Oh? I know, Oh,
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it's a it's an exciting story. Then good, he's up
the zoo if you guys can't hear, and tigers escaped
and clawed his hands. That's cool. So that's what happened,
now that we got thought out the way, shall we? Yeah? Yeah, okay, great?
So so the whole series is designed to inspire people
who maybe a young a young little to do coming
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up in the world, trying to become a grown to
do like yourself. Well, you know, the thing for me
is that I didn't know I wanted to do what
I'm doing until I was doing it. Just like you
just showed up on the show, you didn't even know.
I lived my life. I wake up and I go, okay,
I don't stress about things, and I go what do
I need to do today? And I do it the
best I can. I'm a stand up comic. So I
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started to stand up in and So I was working
at a coffee shop and it closed, and then right
next door it was a comedy club, and I just
a pretty famous comedy club the comedy store. But back
then the San Diego wasn't um that popular, and I signed.
I got a job there, first as a bar back,
and then a month later I did open mic night,
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and then five years later I was I did Jay
Leno and then but they're like, so much happened in
between day. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about all
that because stand up is, in my opinion, one of
the hardest things on earth to do, and people are
there in the crowd wanting people to crash and burn
on stage. They don't want to laugh. No, no, I laugh.
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I'm the generous No no, I am a generous over laugher.
And I snort sometimes only because I know that ship
is hard, and it's like, to me, it's my biggest
fear to stand up there, and like, you are there
to entertain people and that's it, right, And so that's
a lot of pressure. And if you're having an off
day and people don't laugh, how do you not run
off the stage crme? Well, because um, you have to
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build a thick skin. And I was very sensitive. But eventually,
and you know, if I had a bad show, it
would really affect me, like I wouldn't be able to sleep.
But then eventually what happens is that you stop caring.
Is it because you have so many reps in and
you're going every right because you realize that what is
the if they don't like you? What is the consequence? Really? Nothing,
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nothing happens. It's all my internal perceptions and how we
feel about it. So it's like, you know, I saw
a guy bomb on TV. I don't want to name who,
you know who it was but he wasn't doing well
on TV. I was like, I was living in San
Diego and I was watching it. He was bombing, but
there was like no canned laughter, but he seemed fine
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with it. So because he seemed fine with it, I
was okay with it watching him, And then I thought
it was cool that he was like I didn't care
like that. I know I'm funny, you know, can I
say funk? Yeah? I just did these people? You know.
So what happens is you eventually um you you grew
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immune to people's um you know. Is it more about
becoming immune or is it more about like building up
the inner confidence and saying, you know what, I'm here.
I'm not going to let them tear me dow. I'm
not going to let them tell me I'm not good enough.
Bombing is inevitable no matter what do you consider bombing
people not laughing just or just like you know, you
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you're telling jokesone's laughing, or like something happens in the
room where you lose control of the room and there's
nothing you can do about it. For me, it's like
that's inevitable. No matter what level you are at, you're
gonna go through that so um for me, it's just
like you know, realizing that this is not my night,
and um, I don't really give a funk about these people,
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and you just okay, and then but we care. I
care about you. I care about you personally. But like
you know, also, I'm not one of those comics that's like, yeah,
I have a great job. I'm trying to make people
laugh and escape there. You know, they're daily you know,
routines of you know, I don't know, mine is a war.
I don't view the audience as somebody I'm trying to help.
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I view them as somebody I have to defeat, right,
like an animal that I have to tame. And sometimes
I can't tame that animal. I think that's the way
I get through it. You know. Yeah, what has been
what has been the biggest challenge? Like where do you?
Is there like a consider stint thing that came up
for you in the earlier days that that had you
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lose control? Was there something in what you were doing well?
I mean, you know, you had a lot of comics
locally in San Diego, or like you have to do
it this way or you know you're too dirty because
I was very I'm still very dirty. On stage, I
swear a lot. I talked about things that um, you
know I got the God wouldn't like, but um Jesus
or whatever I had, or they go, you have to
wear a suit to do corporate gigs and do all
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these things. And I just thought to myself, I'm just
gonna just do what I do. I'm gonna wear what
I wear. I'm gonna say what I say. If I
never make it, I ever make it. But at the
end of the day, what happened was I stuck to
my guns, and I, um, even in San Diego, like
if a headliner would walk in, like you know, someone
like Polly Shore, Ice Clay or something like that, and
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they would see me, you know, there was something about
me that they liked, and so I started opening for
all these guys like Carlosmonca from San Diego. So I
just stuck to my guns. And I still stick to
my guns. You know, even when you're I'm acting in
a director gives me a note sometimes I just can't
do it the way they want me to do it.
So I'm just going to do it the way I
think it because this project and it doesn't feel authentic
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to like you and who you are as an artist.
Maybe well, sometimes I just can't do it, you know,
I just I just don't know what they're saying, and
I can't do it. So I just kind of stick
to my guns and do my thing. I got booed
off the stage in front of twenty thou people. When
was that? That was recently? This is after you've made it?
People booed me off stage? Where was that? Up at North?
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It was in San Jose. Do you know what caused
the booing? Did you? I had to follow Leslie Jones
and she was on fire that night, and they actually
boot you off the stage. I don't remember because I
blacked out, you know, I blacked out for us, So
I don't know exactly what happened. But um, I was
off staged for like two or three minutes and then
I just kind of blacked out. And then I was
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backstage in some room with my shirt off because I
was sweating so are And I remember my agent Matt
was next to me and he was cackling, like laughing,
you know, just maniacally. I go, what happened? He goes,
I've never seen anyone bomb like that. Do you even
remember what was happening starting gibberish, So you were literally
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just not you know, and yeah, then then I remember
that night. I was in the hotel room and I
was like laying there right, and that just you know,
you kind of relive certain parts of it that you
know that you remember and then just eventually just kind
of go, all right, that happened, and then you wake
up and you're fine. Yeah. So one of the questions
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we ask all the artists and the creators on here,
and everybody we have on is super successful, and you
are no exception. We always ask about, like the worst
day you got to before I even got to for you,
was that, Well, that's not even the worst day. I
have so many bad days, but I can't even you know,
like fifty stories up that was there a day that
so you woke up the next day and you had breakfast,
you were fine, you moved on. Was there a day
that you almost just said I'm done, I'm quitting this.
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This is not I mean, but that had nothing to
do with the show. It had to do with the
trajectory of my career. Well, that's just as important of
a conversation because I think a lot of people set
these goals, and a lot of times these goals you're
already hitting them and you're already really successful. But to you,
you're not. So you think you're failing. Yea, but I
am failing. No, you're not. I know. But the thing
(09:24):
is is that I here's the thing. I don't want
to fight with you. I do. I want to fight. Yeah,
but um, the way I and this is probably not healthy,
but the way I get through things is through I
had to motivate myself. And for me to motivate myself,
I have to create these rivalries and this and and
(09:47):
and an atmosphere that's going to get me out of
where I'm at. Where did that come from? I think Korean?
I don't know Koreans do it? You know, Like, yeah,
there's a lot of like there was a point where, like,
you know, I was on a show called mad TV
Freight never heard of it. I think it's got canceled. Yeah,
but you were basically the star of the show. They're
somehere thinking, but Peel, you made history with that show.
(10:12):
And you know, Alex Borstein did very well. They're all
they're all great, but so are you. I feel like
you're the type of person you would win like ten
oscars and still think you're not doing it. Maybe people are, well,
here's what happened. So then after Matte was over, I
couldn't get any work at all, Like I couldn't you know,
(10:32):
get an audition. I couldn't get anything going. And for years,
why do you think that was successful? No, we would
call casting directors and they would say, yeah, he was
on Matt TV though, so we're not gonna they didn't
like the show. People only later liked the show, you know,
because the kids that watched it all became in there, became,
(10:54):
you know, in their twenties, and they started having some
sort of power. And then you know, and then people
from a show started blowing up, like he and Peele
blew up, um Ike Barrenholt started doing well, you know,
Alex will sat so a bunch of these people will
people just started working and then we became kind of cool.
But in the beginning, it was terrible. And my doctor
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Ken Jong started working a lot, and he came in
under the same type and he was just getting every
role and I couldn't even get in the room to
compete with for those roles, and so I just kind
of set her on and said, um, you know, I
look back and I go I did it. I did
eight years on the show. I did stand up at
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tonight show. I did a couple of couple of lines
and a couple of movies. I think that that's fine,
let's get out of here. No. But the reason why
I did is because I didn't know what else to do,
like if somebody something else had come up for me
to like, I had to you have to survive and
make money. So for me, the only way to make
money was to do stand up. So I would do
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shows on the road. So I was always touring, so
every year I would just be doing thirty forty dates,
weekends whenever. And then you're just out in like Nebraska
or Illinois, and you're just out there grinding it out.
And sometimes you would make good money, sometimes you wouldn't,
but you know, you you have to survive as a
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human being in this society. And then, um, what happened was, um,
you know that whole analogy of waves, It was true.
So like you know, Matt TV was a wave that
I rode for a long time and then I then
I caught the wave, went back out there and I
waited for the next wave, and they waited for years
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when a wave came along. So another wave came along.
So what happened was I got the show called Animal Practice.
It was a NBCi, it was a show about veterinarians.
It was a sitcom and there was a monkey in it.
And then I was in the Dictator and then I
booked another pretty big thing. And then after those things
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were over, I waited another three or four years, three years,
and then now I'm on a new wave now, which
is I did this Viceland show, I did Love a
little bit. I'm on a sitcom now, and um, I
did a couple of movies and and I had my
podcast is doing well. So I'm gonna the big I'm
in the biggest wave that I've ever had been on. So,
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so how are you feeling right now? Great? Good? I'm
so grateful, Thank you Lord. No, but you're You're a
good place right now. Life's good, right, Yeah, I'm on
a wave and I'm writing this wave. And then, um,
I don't know how long this wave is gonna last.
Hopefully it lasts for a while, but if it doesn't,
I know that, you know, I'm always going to be
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out there. And so you know, what I realized about
myself is I'm always gonna try, which is it's it's cold,
because here's the things is that you have these dreams
and these goals, but you know, as I think it's
the human condition where nothing ever really just kind of
completely sad because you get to the next one and
then you see the mountain right above and you're like,
one more year and I can get there. And you
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also realize that you think that it's going to fix
you in some way, that if I get this, this
and this, I'm going to feel this way and then
everything will be great. But what you realize is that
you can never escape yourself. And I have so many
issues and problems and you know mental, you know anguish
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that I have to fix those things internally for me
to ever be happy, and I refuse to because the
fact that I think that it's going to affect my
comedy in some way. So you think that in some
ways the trauma and all the stuff you've gone through
makes you the funny person that you are. But I'm
also impossible to live with, like my girlfriend is at
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the end, tell me why you're so impossible to live with?
I can't even begin if this was a five hour podcast.
But I am a living nightmare. I'm like, I'm like Geoffrey,
I'm jof Free from Game of Thrones. I am yeah,
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like you see me now and you're like, oh, he's like,
you know, you know soft kind of like you know
Asian guys. Funny, I'm Craig Cray. I think you're hard
on yourself, and I'm Craig Craig crazy like you know,
I'll like, I'll tell you, I'll give you one story
love story time here. So I was playing this game
(15:37):
called Red Dead Redemption two. Have you heard of it?
Have you guys heard of that game? No, my good
friend's nephews, you guys played that game. Yeah. So I
was playing Red Dead Redemption and um, one of the
goals was to kill five cougars with an arrow. But
cougars are very difficult to find in the game. It's like,
(16:00):
let me ask you something, how many Eskimos have you
met in your life? None? That I remember exactly. That's
what cougars are in the game. Okay, you never see him. Okay,
so um, so I finally found It took me like
five hours to find a cougar. So I have my
bow and arrow and I'm going back like this, and
then my girlfriend goes and they look over like this,
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and I turned back. The cougar had bit my neck
right and then I died. I throughout the control like
screamed like anger. Oh it's just such crungy goods. Yea,
but yeah, I don't know when to talk to you,
you know. I mean, I go, what I'm playing that,
you know? And then you know, I'm just like, I'm
(16:42):
forty seven years old. Who acts like that. It's the
fucking video game. You're passionate. You're not Joffrey because you
got upset over a video game. You're a passionate person. Oh,
but then here's I do Joffrey things like this though
here and then I choked her. I have before, but
but in fun, fun kept getting in fun. I'm kidding.
But um, I'll do stuff like um, like for my openers,
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Like sometimes I'm on the road and my opener is
about to go up on stage, I'll block him from
going on stage. They just said my name. I go, yeah,
you're not gonna how do you block I Just there's
a door usually to the stage, and you and I
just blocked the door, like, yeah, but I'll block it
for like two minutes, why just to see them suffer? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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oh I didn't and then yeah, and then they start
sweating and then I go okay, now yeah, or else
say you'll never open from me again unless you hop
scotches across the stage times. Is this your version of hazing?
Yeah yeah, and they go yeah, but it has nothing
to do with my aunt. You need to hop scotch.
You're never gonna open for me again. So then if
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I watched them on stage, I see the hop scotching,
Oh my god, I'll tell an opener. If you don't
say Yabba dabad five times during your act and you
can't tell the audience why you're saying it, right, you
have to do that so they'll go ya and then
just go into their act. It's so fun for me,
but that's very job for you. Ask I was not
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expecting that story. I'll tell you that much. That means no.
I Actually it's playful. It's like a fun older brother hazing.
You're just you know, like you've worked up the ranks
and now they're just paying their yabba dabba. Dude, Come
on like it? Do you just stand up because I
would shoop my pants publicly you would pants, yes, and
(18:41):
privately no. But I'm just saying, like, that's why I
commend you guys for what you do, because not only
are you up there and doing your thing, but you're
expected to deliver something that will make everybody have an
emotional reaction to you. That's that's a lot of pressure. Yeah,
but you're doing exactly what I do without an audience. Yeah.
But like in my head, I think they're laughing when
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I said yeah, but Dad would do. I'm like, I'm
so funny in my head, but nobody they laugh because
I pay them right right. But what I'm saying to
use this is what what end up happening is you
do what you do on stage, and you're going to
be able to like if they don't laugh, you'll be
able to handle it. I actually think I'm quite funny,
(19:23):
but funny call me Roberts. So you should try it.
I should. Can I open for you? You You would never
let me open for you, because they should on your stage?
Can I see this if you said to me, I
want to try it? Like, this is what I do.
I play the Irvine improv once a year and I
always have new comics go up and for like people
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have never done it before. I had, um, Michael Rosenbaum,
you know who played Lex Luthor on Smallville, he did
it for the first time opening from me. There Will Sasso,
who was a mad TV guy. He did it there.
And I always have new people do it there. It's
in front of six seven people, and if you ever
wanted to do it, should trying. So Like, I think
I'm funny in a like I can play off of
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you way. But comedians are storytellers. So you'll get up
there and you'll talk about a very ordinary thing and
it becomes hilarious. I don't know, You're like, yeah, you
can do it, so like what do you just take
a regular thing that happened in your day and then
you just exaggerated because it's not all true. I mean
(20:24):
there is like ways to like, um, you don't If
you don't want to do it, you don't have to
do it. I want to be I want to be
the next Bobyl. Do you want to try? You do?
Have you ever thought about doing it? Though? Everyone I
know and I'm not trying. This is not the Tatiana
Show right now. It's all about you but everyone I
know tells me I should do improv, but I'm my
biggest fear. I'm telling you take away the crowds, I
would do it. Improv is different though, Well you should
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try because you're with other people and they can like balance, Yeah,
you bounce people. But stand up is you're about yourself, yeah,
and you're everyone's just looking at you, like, make me laugh.
That's why I always snort and laugh really loud in
the audience because I'm like, I'm you know, I'm pathetic.
But there's something about there is something about being up
there and hearing the roar or even silence and people
(21:09):
just staring at you and they're listened to everywhere that
you're saying. There's just something about that that's like, um,
like going to church or something like very kind of spiritual.
And I don't I don't want to sound narcissistic or
like no or whatever, but people are there to see you.
I mean, there is a thing where you're like and
then like sometimes I have a great show and the
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audience they'll stand or something after and then I can
go out there and you know, it's just there's something
about it that's better than anything else. That's ever existed. No,
I mean I believe that. And when you have a
good show like that, you're reminded why you're doing what
you do. So is comedy stand up specifically something that
because you're booking shows and you're on television and you're
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doing movies. Is comedy something in the stand up world
that you will always do no matter what because it
feeds your soul. Well, what happened was when I was
on mat TV for um eight years, I really didn't
do it that much because in my head, I'm like, oh,
I'm on TV now, because I was like that I
made it, yeah, And I'm like it was just like
in the tooth I got in two thousand and I
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was young, you know, and I was like yeah, and
then you're like, you know, we have you know. I
remember the first year I was there, Green Day played,
and you know, you see, like you know, guest stars
like Anna Faris or Ryan Reynolds, people just kind of
guest starring on the show and you're like there and
you're like, I'm a part of it. And then when
the show ended, I didn't do like concentrate on stand up,
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and so when I had to go on the road.
I didn't really have the time or the material to
do it, but I had to do it to pay
my mortgage because I bought a house. So I was strownding,
you know. On stage. I was frantically trying to figure
it out every show, and it was that first year
was really tough. Sometimes I would have to do forty
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five and I get off after the club, but don's
like only twenty five minutes. I don't know what else
to do. I no more jogs, you know, and they'd
be like, um, yeah, the next show, you have to
do forty five because we're paying you for you know.
So it was just a really tough after that. But
so I made a vow never to stop. So even
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now when i'm on you know, I mean, I'm only
like fifth lead on a on a sitcom, but but still,
I you know, when I'm working during the week, even
though I'm tired, I'll still go up, Oh, it's not marijuana.
It's just fine. It's just a jewel. Because I quit smoking.
You don't have to cover quit because the kids here.
I quit smoking and for two years, but I've been
(23:44):
addicted to these jewels. Let me see what it's like
it's just um, is that a vape? I just sounded
like such a grandma a little vape? What is that?
You look like somebody that you don't? Do? You do rink?
I mean I love a good glass of veno, but
it's got to be a full body temperare Yeah, you
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spoke marijuana. Yeah, your children? I have a French bulldog.
Does that count? I have dogs as well? But why why?
Why do you do you do not do those things?
I don't know. I'm just like a control freak and
I don't like being out of control. I think that's
what it is. Yeah, I mean I went to college
in Miami, so I was satan for four years basically UM.
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But then you know, when you get that out of
your system, you become like the second coming of Christ.
And that's what happened to me. Yeah, Like I got
it out of my system and now I'm on that path.
Well I'm you know, you know, I've been sober for
sixteen years, right, But that was a full blown drug addict,
and I've always struggled with UM addiction and m alcoholism,
(24:47):
even as a kid. I went to my first rehab
at the age of four. Wow. Yeah, and then I
went to rehabs until I was seventeen, and then um
I went to this place called McDonald Center, and that's
where I first got sober the first time. And I
stayed sober for thirteen years. And then when I got
on mat TV, UM relapsed. Yeah, yeah, you know, and
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then and then I got sober two years after that.
But that two years was the worst two years of
my life. The years that you were getting sober. No, No,
the two years. So when I was thirteen years sober,
I got mad TV and then I was doing was
I was partying the first two years I was at
Matt TV. And those first two years at mat TV
was the worst two years of my life. Are we done? Now?
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What is people doing? No, he's just he's just checking
the camera. He's like, he started talking about drugs. Shut
it down. This interview for me is a dream because
you're being honest and you're not doing like the pr
everything's perfect thing, which no one can relate to, by
the way, because people out there are dealing with the
same exact thing. So and also your success story, so
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it's great to share this. Yeah, I mean, I don't
think that um I would have any of the things
that I have. Even when I did stand up when
I was twenty three, from when I told you I
was working to coffee shop and all that I was
still I was very like active in my my recovery.
And I was. And the reason why I even did
stand up was because one night I was at a
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men's meeting and I was twenty three years old. It
was a Friday night. I was at this men's meeting
and you know, I was a speaker. I was the
first speaker. So I spoke, you know, at this meeting.
And this old man after the meeting comes up to
me and he goes, I've never seen him before or
after that, by the way, and he goes, a kid,
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you should do stand up? Was it Rocky Balboa? Does?
Want to sund like? And then he and I got really,
you guys, do something about I know I've never seen you,
you know, seen you before, but up there, that was
the funniest thing I've ever seen in a meeting. It
was supposed to be you'll you know, but um so
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that that that's planet of seed. And then you know,
a month later I did it. So without me being sober,
I don't think I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't be
here right now because everything just led up to you know,
everything this. Yeah, yeah, totally. And I think that's really
inspiring for people who might be in a dark time
right now, or they're in a rut and they do
(27:22):
have big dreams, but they just can't get out of it.
You've had, like you said, waves of things that come
and go. What has been the thing? There's got to
be something that has pulled you out of those moments
because there are dark times like what has has it
just been internal? No? I mean people around you? Oh, No,
it's it's it's it's it's basically you. You can you
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can see kind of into the future to see you
can see where your life is going to end up.
It's that like, you know, in six months, I could
die kind of a thing where you go, you know,
if I keep doing this, I'm gonna lose everything, you know,
And a lot of people they just go to the end,
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right But for me, I'm lucky. I can just see
you know, imminent you know danger, So I just kind
of go, you know, I'm gonna quit right here because
I don't want to die, you know, And I have
parents that are still alive. I have a brother, I
have I have family, and you know you have a girlfriend?
Who have a girlfriend? Yes? That you can't you know
you want to destroy yourself. You know you have responsibilities.
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Why do you think drugs and partying is so relevant
in the comedy world. Is it just because you're up
late at night and you've got to like get yourself going,
Because there's there's obviously a trend with comedians, right well,
I mean, why do we do what? What is the
need to go up on stage and have and make
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strangers laugh? There is a weird but that's that's you
being in an entertainer. There's also, I think as a
stand up especially, there's something else going on there of
like this need for it, you know, because you're not
doing it. I don't care what any comics says. You're
not doing it to make people happy. You're doing it
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to feed something that's missing in your life or something
that you're you know lacking. Right, what is it for you? Well?
You know the reason why I relapsed in the first
place because I replaced stand up comedy for spirituality, right, so,
you know, in order for one to get sober, in
my opinion, is is that you need some sort of
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divine intervention or some spiritual awakening, right. But whatever ended
up happening is I started doing stand up and the
audiences applause and their affirmation filled whatever that thing that
I was missing. Where I was supposed to fill it
with spirituality, I filled it with something that was just
kind of like fleeting, you know, like you know people's
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you know, applause, and I thought it was spiritual. It
did fix me for a while, but it's like any
other drug. It's not real really, you know. So now
I don't take myself that seriously. Even if you know,
I'll go to some markets, I'll sell out, you know,
you know I wasn't very I sold out, so like
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see the tickets and you know, the rooms packed. Um,
you know, they come out, they cheer, you know, I
do it, but you know, afterwards, I don't have that
thing like, oh I'm special, you know, I just gotta go.
That's my job, and um, I say hi to people.
You know, it's not it's just it's a weird thing.
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Even um on the street, I just when people go,
can I get a photo? Yeah? Why? I don't know
why you would want one, But yeah, I don't have that.
You know, you see a lot of comedians that that
we're nice, but then they make it and they're just
full fucking douchebags and like and they buy it and
they and they swim in their own like narcissism and
(30:58):
their ego and they think there's something special and then
they crash. You know, I'm not that. No, you're definitely not.
We Actually we're not going to name names that there
was a comedian who was supposed to be be on our
show and this person did not want to come to
the studio because it was in the middle of Hollywood
and they were afraid that they were going to get mobbed.
And in my head, I'm just like, you're not going
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to get mobbed. And it's great, it's like, you're really funny.
But we've had people in the studio who have like
fifty million followers. They didn't get mobbed because people have
like a sense of respect, right. But to me, that
was like the craziest thing. And I was just like, Okay,
I want your your safety is more important to me
to stay home. You know who I know who this
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comedian is? You might I so want to know so badly. Yeah,
But also like it's fine. I get that, but and
also it is it is a weird time right now
where I think celebrities do have to take an extra
a layer of security because people are crazy. Fans are crazy.
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I'm sure you've had a no no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. Have you ever had a crazy fan story? No?
Because for me, it's like how can you especially with
with the Internet and social media and also YouTube stars
like for instance, I was this is funny. I was
literally I went to that lobby because it's a hotel, right,
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and I ran into this kid. I took a photo
of him, This kid Casper, right, he isn't like a
huge YouTube star from England. He's got like four million,
five million followers on Instagram, is a big star. The
reason why I know that was because I did his movie.
I was. I played the bad guy. Him and this
other guy YouTube star. They did a lions Gate movie
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and I was the bad guy, the nemesis in it.
And um, the thing is is that you know, with
these kids coming up in social media and and YouTube
and their power with all the followers and this, and that,
there is no way to become a star anymore. You know,
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there's It's not like in the eighties, you know, where
if you were on a sitcom there's only four channels
and you were an instant star. I mean you would
get like thirty million people watch your show. I'm on
a TV show. Now it feels like I'm on doing
community theater. I think that nobody has ever said to me,
I love you on that show, not one time? Right,
(33:33):
So how do you you know if you were if
I was on you know, um, the original Roseanne or
Cosby Show or Seinfeld, like a huge show, that's one thing.
But if you're not on a show like that, there's
no way to behave that way because there's no real
reason because the people don't give a fuck. This is Hollywood.
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I lived right down the street, you know, and I've
done a million things. I walked on the street, like
one out of every person will say can I get
a photo? But like you know, even when I'm on
the roads, you know, in Canada, I'm a bigger star
just because Matt TV was bigger then. Still it's like,
what's it's not? It doesn't, it doesn't, it's nothing. What
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the fun is that I want to know who this
person is? Now it's Okay, it's cool. I'm complete with it.
You are I'm complete, okay, right, like I let things go.
It's like, fine, I'm not complete with it. So on
the topic of influencers, what do you think about like
this new wave of celebrity coming in. You've got like
these huge YouTube stars that are taking I don't want
(34:36):
to say taking television roles because they're they're getting them right,
But how do you feel about this new wave of celebrity,
this new wave of actor who's not really necessarily an actor,
but they're getting their roles. They still have to compete
with us, right. It's like when I'm in an audition
and I'm testing for a network and you're performing in
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front of the executives and the president of a network
and you have to kill it, go ahead, try yeah,
because they don't at that point, they don't care how
many follows you are. You have to get the part.
So for me, it's like there's more people, but I
got in the door my own way. But the thing
is is that, um, I feel a little bit. This
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is gonna be difficult to say. I'm gonna say it
in my own way. When I was coming up, we
had no internet, so there was only one way to
do it, really, and there was actually only two ways
to do it there was as a stand up especially
is you get really good fifteen years later you become
a headliner, and then you come to l A and
(35:47):
then see what happens, or you come to l A
before that and hopefully you can act as well. You
can luckily to land apart and then get it that
way right, And um, so I but I did Dorman
washing dishes, to come to l A the comedy store
in Hollywood, cleaning the roof, cleaning the basement, checking ideas
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for years. Then you climb up to like, um, your
first TV spot, and then you climb up to you know,
getting auditions. So I did it the way it was
set up, okay, And so there's something I didn't do
it in my bedroom and all of a sudden, straight
to you know, the casting office. No I did it.
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You know. I'm from a place called Poway, California. And
in Poway, my parents are immigrants. They owned clothing stores.
They don't not speak English, they don't know what Hollywood is.
I have no connection to Hollywood. So what I had
to do was I had to do an open mic
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two where I'm at now, and that road is long
and hard, but I did it, and there is something
about me I sometimes, you know, I'll close my eyes
on go I can't believe that you did it. And
I had a lot of hardships on the way, but
(37:19):
nobody handed you a single thing. Yeah, and there is
a sense of pride. I guess when it comes to that,
you know that I did it, but you don't in
your head, you don't go you know I'm going to
make it. You just do what's in front of you.
And back then it was like, well I got booked
at this coffee shop on Friday. I'm gonna go do that.
(37:39):
Oh um, I get to host a show where there's
a headliner. I'm going to do that. Oh I'm gonna
make twenty bucks if I do a show in Escondido.
I'm gonna do that. And you just do You just
live your life. How am I going to pay rent?
How am I gonna you know, like everyone else? And
then eventually you don't have a day job, and then
eventually you're fine. But now the system, so you did
(38:02):
it that way right, you worked your way up. Now
it's like people are putting these skits on Instagram and
on YouTube, and you're seeing some of them open at
like laugh Factory the Comedy Store. What do you I'm
sure you've seen some of them bomb and you or
or do really well. Well, here's the thing, though, it's
like still at the end of the day they get
to the Comedy Store or laugh Factor, they still have
(38:23):
to you know, compete against us. And you know this
show I'm doing Saturday with Burr and David Spade and
all these guys, they're beasts. I mean they're I know them,
They're beasts, and you know, in a packed room, they
also have names, so they have fans, and also they're
(38:46):
at the top of their game. So yeah, I don't
care how you got there, but can you follow that?
And I'm going to tell you this, Papa. Can you
know if if Rogan or whoever is on the lineup,
I might not do as well. But I have no fear.
I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna walk off stage
(39:09):
and people go, oh, you killed it or whatever. You know,
But I only got there because I put in the
work and the years, you know. And here's a little thing.
It is that those guys the reason why you do
all the work is because you eventually get the respect
of those guys as well. So when you're on stage,
(39:30):
you don't feel like you're a a faker, you know what.
You know that you belong there because you have your peers,
you know, go yeah, and you guys a kind of
came up together. Yea yeah, And I'm not gonna say that, like,
you know, in the beginning was Joe Rogan and I friends. No,
(39:50):
I was this kid, and I probably ran and got
a drink for him, and I probably, you know, it
was too scared to talk to him at one point.
But one day he says, what's up, dude, and you go, oh, oh, yeah,
I've been here for a while, right, And then eventually like, um,
(40:11):
it's so funny because I here's here's the great thing
about working at a comedy club as a new comedian,
this is that not only do you meet because when
I started, you know, it was I saw Sebastian model
Skalko go up the first time and he bombed. He
just sold out twenty thousand seats and I think Pittsburgh
(40:31):
or Philadelphia, right seats one show, right, I was there
when he bombed in front of like eight people or whatever,
and he was like, I don't know if I'm gonna
do this. I know, you know what I mean. And
I just saw him grow to this gigantic thing, right.
But not only that is by working at a comedy club,
you meet other people that might not be doing stand up,
(40:55):
but they're like when I came to the comedy store,
there was a kid, Matt, and he used to hang
out at the comedy store and he was a male
room guy at GIRSH and he used to hang out
at the open mics, and you know, I became friends
with Matt and we became very close. And then Matt
became an agent at GERSH and then he became one
(41:17):
of the head agents at GIRSH and then he signed
me and then I'm still with Matt. And then Matt
went to see A. He's the head of the commedy department.
But I knew I had known him for twenty over
twenty years and he's my guy. That's the That's why
coming to l A as a young person and doing
(41:39):
these like you know, washing dishes and carrying ship and
all these little things, and you meet other people that
are struggling. There's another kid named Jordy who I used
to do open mics. He was kind of a bigger,
orange hairt guy who just wear this green tie on
stage and him and I would do all these open
mics here in Hollywood in front of nobody. Was dismal
(42:00):
back in the late nineties. And he's one of the
executives at Comedy Central now right, and he's my friend.
He calls me, Hey, you want to do the show?
You know. So it's like, you know, that's why that's important.
You know, it's not skipping those things you can go to,
you know, do a YouTube video and have have to
generate an audience. And that's great, and I'm happy for you,
(42:22):
but in many ways, I think that this way is
better for me because I need allies. Well, you built
a really solid foundation in your community, and I was
going to act. I was going to ask you this
question and closing, um, what is a piece of advice
you'd give somebody, the young hopeful comedian who's doing stand up.
They may be bombing, but you just I think you
(42:44):
just answered it. You just have to put yourself in
the community and just immerse yourself in that world. From
what I hear and and don't be above taking the
mopping job at the comedy start. But I also think
that suffering is a part of it. It's the suffering
(43:04):
makes you grow. The suffering. Also, when you start with
like ten guys, eventually seven of them leave. They quit
because they can't handle the suffering. But the two or
three of you that stick around, right, you're closer to,
you know, the top, so you can't. The suffering is motivation.
(43:29):
It keeps you strong. And Allison is an actress and
should I she came in She's like, I'm just in
a mood today, but you know, she's very talented. I'm sorry,
I'm calling you out right now. You have these, especially
when you work in the industry. I go through it
myself where I'm just like, why am I doing this?
And I'm like, no, keep on, keep on, keep on. One.
(43:49):
I mean, here's the thing. But like last year, right,
I was gonna quit doing acting because I I tested
for um This War a Brother Show and it was terrible.
I from the president of the network and it was
a horrible audition and I wanted to jump off a building.
And then this year my agent goes, you want an
audition for pilot. I'm not I'm done. I can't do
(44:09):
it anymore. But what happened was, um, there was a
show that wanted me. I wouldn't audition, but then that
president last year I tested for. He said pretty much, Well,
he tested last year, so just give it to him.
So you just, you know, just by failing and showing
up the year before and then the year later, you know,
(44:29):
I got awarded for you meet me bombing, you know
what I mean. But my point is that it just
I didn't quit. I stayed in town, and then you know,
here we are. You know anyway, I don't even like you.
You were the perfect interview. I promised you guys an
inspirational series, and you just basically killed it. I just
want to cancel the rest of the series now you
did it all. Are you gonna cry? Can you shoot
(44:52):
your pants? You know what you're like? No, Bobby Lee,
what a delight. Thank you so much for stopping by.
That was he made us laugh. He got us to
think a little. Nobody's quitting anything ever. Behind the influence
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