June 28, 2022 • 37 mins
Sarah & Laura open with a brief discussion of makeup and Sarah's experience with accessories styling, and then they are joined by Jenny Eversole and Rebecca Kirkwood.
Jenny is the creator of Style Space (and longterm BOBW listener!) and Rebecca is a makeup artist and clean beauty expert who worked with Laura for a beauty styling session!
They chat makeup tips, mistakes to avoid, must-have products, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,
an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.
I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.
On the side, we are two working parents who love
our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.
Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,
and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping
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out long term career goals. We want you to get
the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.
This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and fifty six,
which is first airing in late June of twenty twenty two.
We are going to be interviewing Jenny Eversol and Rebecca
Kirkwood from style Space, which is a virtual styling company.
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They can help you figure out makeup, accessories, various other things.
That's what we did. We both did sessions with them.
I learned about makeup with Rebecca. Sarah did accessories. So
we'll be really excited to talk with them and get
some great tips about how everyone can indulge in these
fun things. Because Sarah, you love these sort of superficial
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episode topics, right, I do enjoy them. I enjoy listening
to them. When other podcasts have these kinds of things
as topics, and I enjoy creating them and the feedback
we get from our listeners. I always, you know, kind
of have this self conscious feeling like, oh, is this
too frivolous of a topic, Like it's not serious enough.
But honestly, like, I think it's something that can be
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enjoyable to some people. It is to me. I feel
like I like having some control over how I put
myself out in the world, and part of that is
choosing how to dress and maybe which kind of makeup.
And I guess I don't see any downside in that,
although I think it's also totally fine if you don't
enjoy those things to completely forego them. So you do you. Yeah,
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it's funny. I've been thinking about this with our longtime listeners. Know.
I am doing this Shakespeare reading project this year. I'm
reading through all the works of Shakespeare, and last month
I read through all his sonnets. And if anyone has
had to read his sonnets in your college English class
or what have you, you know that he has a
real be in his bonnet about cosmetics for unknown reasons.
I mean, this is a man who made his living
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in the theater, where there was all sorts of falseness
in how one portrays oneself, but that was his particular
bugaboo with some of these sonnets complaining about how people
had painted themselves and such. You know, I've never been
a big makeup person. It's been interesting. I up pondered
it because I feel like, well, I can learn other skills,
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like I just didn't bother to ever sort of figure
out makeup, just kind of bought what's at the drug
store what I think would work, which you know, probably
similarly with clothes. It's never been an area that I've
cared that much about. But I know that there's definitely
something to be said for how you present yourself to
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the world, and certainly looking nice allow other people to
maybe interact with you a little bit differently than they
might have. And I've become certainly more aware of that
getting older a little bit harder to be effortlessly beautiful. Yes,
got to get older. The age thing definitely comes into
play because I was thinking about this and I really
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didn't consistently wear makeup until my late thirties. And I
remember when I was coming back to work after having Genevieve,
I was like, I need something just because I just
didn't feel you know, you have that postpartum feeling, you
just don't feel like yourself or you just don't necessarily
feel that attractive. And so my treat to myself was
to go to the North Strium beauty counter and just
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let somebody like have at it with me. And I
ended up with a bunch of not a bunch, but
like several products from a couple of brands, and then
I've just kind of kept that look ever since. And
now it does feel a little bit weird to leave
the house without at least some like, you know, tinted moisturizers,
sunscreen type product, and mascara at the very minimum. And
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I do think there's a little age relatedness to that,
because I don't think I felt particularly unadorned or bare
face when I was thirty, but hey, yeah, although the
key thing still is that it needs to be a
very short regimen. I'm not going to spend a ton
of time on it. And it's always one of the
things that sort of has annoyed me, like whenever I
do television or something that's filmed and you have to
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do makeup and it takes like thirty minutes to get
it on. I mean, I get it. I know that
they have to do a lot of it for the
camera lights and stuff, but it's like, oh my god,
you're just sitting in this fair and I think makeup
is one of those eighty twenty things, like twenty percent
of the work gets you eighty percent of the way there,
or in my case, maybe like ten percent. Like, yeah,
I think doing something is so much better, at least
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for me than doing nothing. I know it's not the
one hundred percent I could get by sitting in a
chair with a makeup artist for thirty minutes or something
like that, but like it's actually it's not like it's
ten percent as good. It's actually closer to the optimal
than you would think. No, that's true, and certainly television.
I mean I've always laughed about it, like if I've
been on a morning show and had my makeup done
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and then I have to take the train back to
Philly or something after it and looking like I was
just out. You know, it's as bad as Shakespeare probably
thought it was the amount of makeup all over my
face being on the train at like ten in the morning,
so have had a few particular moments of that. How
about clothing, you are, I mean he did this session
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on accessories, which what do you mean by accessories? By
the way, Yeah, well, I will say we got a
little bit more into basics related to clothing as well.
I didn't want to focus on clothing specifically because I
had actually already worked with Lannie and Linder from Real Lifestyle,
who's like a you know, a private stylist who works
with clients on the kind of a more one on
one way, and I didn't need as much help in
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that department. But accessories is where I have definitely like
I need I need help. I don't have good jewelry
or I don't know, I just never I always feel
like I'm missing like one piece or something like that.
And the person I worked with was amazing. She was
just really she had a lot of like generalities to share,
like okay, when you're petite, like choose this over this,
or like think about this color family and that kind
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of thing. So it wasn't necessarily focusing on like where
this exact kind of necklace, although we did get into
some of that, but the kind of more general concept
stuff was really really helpful and fun. Yeah, I've done
some clothes styling stuff. I wrote about it in one
hundred and sixty eight hours. I definitely recommend if you
are ever aiming to spend a larger amount of money
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on clothes for some reason. Maybe it's you know, either
your body shape has changed for some reason, or you're
starting a different sort of job, or move to an
entirely different climate, or whatever it is that might necessitate
a wardrobe refresh. It's just going to be more efficient
to have somebody tell you the right stuff to buy,
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as opposed to you know, you not knowing, for instance,
and maybe spending money on things that you don't really
wind up wearing. Yeah, I mean, in my experience, not
just more efficient, But I have to say that expertise
means that most of the pieces that I worked with
with Lannie are things that are really really lasting, like
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that I will likely keep for years and years and years.
And I don't necessarily have such good luck on my own.
I don't think such a high ratio of things I
have chosen on my own have ended up being pieces
that I've worn over and over again. So, I mean,
I know it's a little questionable to say that, like
spending out on someone who's going to help you, spend
lots of money on clothes saves money, but honestly, in
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the long run, it may at least pay for itself. Yeah, definitely. Well,
let's learn some more. We're going to answer some great
questions that people have sent in as well about makeup
in this next session. So looking forward to hearing from
Jenny and Rebecca. Well, Sarah and I are delighted to
welcome Jenny and Rebecca to the program. We'll start by
having you guys introduce yourself. Jenny, can you start? Yeah, So,
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my name is Jenny Eversol, and I'm the founder of
style Space, which, as Laura and Sarah mentioned already, it's
a virtual styling platform where you can connect and get
expert style coaching from hair, clothing, and makeup stylists. And
I founded this company about two years ago from an
idea that I had as a fashion designer, and we
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basically wanted to bring something to everyday women who struggled
with style challenges like myself. That's awesome, and Rebecca, can
you introduce yourself as well? Hi, thank you, it's so
great to be here. I am Rebecca Kirkwood. I am
a clean makeup artist and an instructor, and I specialize
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in natural looks and clean, non toxic beauty and stinkcare,
and I am one of the clean makeup artists working
with stock Space. Rebecca, since I did a session with you,
maybe you can talk about what goes on in a
virtual session. I mean, for anyone who's not done this
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sort of thing before, how does it work to do
a virtual makeup session? Sure? I know it's really fun
to do virtual sessions. We come on and take a
look at your products. So if we're doing a makeup
bag makeover, we'll look at your products virtually. You'll hold
them up. I might have you sample some of it
on your skin so I can see you. A big
part of it also is, of course, making sure I
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can see you, so I'll make sure you're set up
for success with your lighting and your setup in advance.
And then if we do a makeup lesson together, we
will take turns back and forth, so I will demonstrate
how to do a technique on my face, and then
I'll pause and let you do your turn, and I'll
give you tips and kind of correct you and talk
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you through it as you go. Yeah, that's what I
did with Rebecca a few weeks ago. If she would demonstrate,
I would attempt to do it myself. I mean, you know,
it's for people who've ever had makeup done. You know,
obviously the makeup artists would do your makeup, but you
are learning the technique like sort of see her do it,
then you do it, And so the idea is you're
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learning the skills at the same time, right exactly. Yeah, well,
let's talk about some of those skills, Rebecca, because I mean,
I'm very curious what you see people do wrong all
the time. I'm sure as a makeup artist you were
walking around constantly like I can't believe they're doing that.
What are there some of the biggest mistakes you see? Yeah,
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you know, I won't preface it and say, you know,
makeup is there's no like hard fast rules with makeup, right,
and we can show our creativity through makeup. And I
love that. So I have like my signature style and
what I think looks really beautiful on people. But that's
not you know, necessarily to say that everybody's makeup isn't
what they had intended it to look like. Right that
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being said, I do think there are some sort of
basic makeup quote mistakes that I see that are things
we can could, you know, work on all. So for example,
just using way too much makeup. It's so simple, but
sometimes that's sort of the easiest thing to correct. People
will ask things like, oh, my skin is caking or
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pooling or creasing, or my foundation doesn't look right and
my concealer doesn't look right. And when I ask them
to show me what they use or how they do it,
immediately I can tell them, well, you're using like twice
or three times as much product as you really need
to be using, and that's why it's just not working.
So I would suggest to everybody is just like, pull
back and use less makeup, use thin layers and really
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let your skin shine through and it'll be probably an improvement.
And some other makeup mistakes using colors and products that
just aren't right for them. So maybe they know how
to do their makeup or they love their products, but
it's just not the right one for them. And I
think that's a big part of why working with experts
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like the people on style Space for example, can help
because sometimes that's really hard to figure out, you know,
what is the right product for you. And generally I
find maybe the shade is just off, the foundation's shade
is wrong, or the concealer shade is wrong, the eyeshadows
just isn't necessarily complementary to the person. And that's something
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that you can easily fix, you know, just like you
would when you're fixing your styling or anything else. You're
learning about yourself and figuring out what works for you.
And then one other mistake I see a lot is
not using the makeup in the way that it's intended
to be used. And talk about this a lot as
makeup artists with contouring. I mean, that's really hot right now.
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People are learning how to do their makeup on YouTube
and Instagram. Right We're all watching I do it myself
because most of my feet is his makeup, right, So
I'm scrolling and I'm watching people doing their makeup, and
I'm like, oh my god. First of all, like I
said before, using so much makeup, they're covering their whole
face in it, right, and it's not necessarily what what
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it's intended to do. Right, We're not trying to like
restructure our entire face with makeup, which is what I'm
seeing people do, which is really cool, right, Like that
could be a thing, and some people might want to
do that, and there might be times and opportunities where
that's appropriate. But I would say right now, less is
more with contring. We could talk more about it, but
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I see women walking around with you know, lines and
stripes all over their face, and I'm like, what are
you doing to yourself? You're making your life really difficult,
you know. So, yeah, trends change a lot too change. Well,
it's funny. I mean it may be fine for, as
you said, certain circumstances, but I'm not sure your circumstances
like your Tuesday morning staff meetings, right, yeah, yeah, so
for you know, just sticking with Rebecca here, for women
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who do have you know, busy lives, mornings are getting
kids ready for school, they got to get themselves ready
for work and set what are kind of the you know,
the minimalist tools you would suggest, you know, our listeners.
As Sarah and I were discussing earlier, we probably didn't
wear a whole lot of makeup when we were younger,
but as we get a little bit older, it may
be hoove us to have a little bit of help,
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especially as you know, maybe we're not always getting as
much sleep or as doing and youthful as we used
to be. But what of the minimalist tools you would
recommend that women have in their makeuppect, Like, what are
sort of the basic products we should all have. Yeah,
that's a great question. So I think there are some
basics that every person can have, and then you can
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add to it, you know, depending on what you have
going on. But I would start with your complexion. So
maybe one complexion product like a tinted moisturizer or a
tinted facial oil or a foundation, you know, depending on
what sort of look you want, how much coverage you want,
So that would be one. And for some people that
could just be their concealer, you know, so it doesn't
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have you don't have to necessarily have like a whole
lot of phase coverage. So a concealer, a tinted moisturizer
or foundation, something for your complexion, and then something to
help you look more like alive or bright, something to
bring some life to your face. So that could be
a blush or a brownser or both. You know, if
you want to play around the stuff and then helping
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you look more awake. I would say those products would
be mascara and some sort of a brow product, whether
that's a brow gel or a brow pencil. But as
soon as we open up the eyes and add some
definition to the eyes, it can really transform the whole
entire face. And I tell people, if you're really really
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low on time, just put some mascara on, maybe brush
your brows a touch of blush, and you can use
that same blush on your lips if it's a cream product,
and you can really do a whole face of makeup
in five minutes or so. If that's all you have, awesome.
Well we are going to take a quick ad break
and we will be back with Rebecca Kirkwood and Jenny
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Eversol with style Space. So we are back talking with
Rebecca Kirkwood and Jenny Eversol from style Space, which is
virtual styling service. Sarah and I both did sessions with
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them learning about various things. We're starting with Rebecca right now,
just talking about makeup. That's what I did with her.
And I find it interesting that you just said, you
know you want to look awake, you put on mass
era and a brow thing. Because I think a lot
of us when we think, oh well I look asleep
because I have Dirk circles under my eyes, the first
thing we think about is I should like cake on,
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like the foundation under my eyes. So maybe you need
to repeat that for the folks listening here. Now, do
you really look awake getting sort of not getting rid
of but or at least taking attention away from circles
under the eyes. Yeah. Absolutely. I do think a big
part of makeup and why it's so great is that
it can distract people, you know, and you have control
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over what you want people to look at. So, especially
for women over forty, I say, don't worry about piling
on a lot of coverage necessarily, although I do think
a little bit of a concealer under the eye goes
a long way. But if you put some black mescera
on and put a little definition on your brow, your
eye area gets lifted. People are looking at you in
the eyes when they're talking to you, you know, when
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you're meeting somebody on the street or at work. That's
what they're looking at. They're not looking at your dark circles.
They're you know, looking at the definition around your eye.
Really similar to if you have like a really nice
photo or picture, putting a black frame around that all
of a sudden, it makes the picture look so much better. Right,
I have a makeup related question. Obviously there are all
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different skin tones and skin types and all those kinds
of things, but you definitely do some specific product racks.
I know you had fun doing that with Laura and
she had fun shopping. Do you have any magical products
out there that you feel like benefit like ninety five
percent of the people who try them, like some wonders
that tend to kind of work for everyone in building
that streamlined routine. Yeah, there are some great products out there.
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I think having a multi use product is something that
everybody can have and make use out of. So for example,
that could be something like a multi stick by Ilia.
They make a really great cream product. It could be
used on the cheeks, it can be used on the eyes,
it can be used on the lips. So I love
that because you can even toss it in your bag
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and literally do your makeup in the car if you
have to or when you're traveling, which is really awesome.
Another brand, Beauty Counter, makes a really lovely cream blush
that comes in a little compact, which is really great
for travel, and it has a mirror built into it,
so I think that that's really handy because we're not
often traveling or going to work with a mirror. And
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then Cosss makes some really lovely brow products, both a
brow pencil and a brow gel that are really universal.
The brow gel can be invisible like a shade that's clear,
so you don't even have to worry about color matching.
You can just brush your brows similar to as if
you were, you know, putting hairspray in your hair. You
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don't have to worry about the shade. You're just putting
the brows in its place and making your face look
a little bit more defined. Yes, I will say that
I had no idea that that was a thing that
you could sort of put stuff on your brows, or
should I guess for that matter. I mean, I've seen
some people do brows really badly over the years, like
you know, it looks like, you know, you light coloring
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and you have like a huge dark streak across your
face and your eyebrows, and so I sort of assumed
that that was what the products were, but it turns
out no, that's not Yep, you can do it differently. Yeah,
And I think we have a sort of question from
listeners about you mentioned as we get older, we might
want to have a little bit of foundation on a
little bit of coverage. Way to think about finding one
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that matches because of course, you know, people have a
million different skin tones and there are a lot of
different products out there, and thankfully more than there used
to be. I mean, it used to be like you
were white or you weren't right, you know, but now
there's a lot more, which is great, but it also
makes it even sort of more challenging to figure out
what's quite match. So how should we think about Yeah,
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this is actually finding foundation and matching concealer is probably
one of the hardest things for my clients that I
work with. And I would say first, when you're thinking
about color matching, step back and think about your actual
physical coloring. So same thing when you're thinking about what
kind of clothes you're wearing, are you cool toned or
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warm toned? Most people fall into one of those categories
or they're in between, like a neutral. So for example,
if you know you burn really easily, or you're fairly fair,
you look really good and silver and light like cool tones,
blues and things like that. We used to talk about
coloring like back in the eighties and nineties, like what
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season you are, Like if you're a winter okay, so
that might be somebody who's cool toned. And if you're
warm or golden, you might tan more easily. You might
look really nice in gold or more like jewel tones
things like that. So you can sort of start there
and get a sense of like you have to have
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sort of an inner conversation with yourself, like what kind
of skin tone do I have? You can also look
at the back of your wrist and look at your
veins and see like are they really blue and purple
or is your skin sort of translucent? That might mean
that you're a little bit more cool toned. I would
say a lot of people fall in that neutral spot. Okay.
So once you sort of decide what your coloring is,
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if you go to the websites of the brands that
you're shopping from, these there are tools now. They make
it so easy, like color maps tools which did not
exist before. I almost think it's easier to color match
online than it is in person. These days when you're shopping,
like in a store, it could be kind of endless,
you know, options, But online they'll break it down. Are
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you fair, are you light? Are you medium? Are you tan?
Are you dark? Are you deep? And you can figure
out by looking at the models. Okay, I have a
sort of a sense of where I fall in that spectrum,
and then you look at the descriptions. Are you a
medium cool? Are you a medium warm? You know, this
is where you sort of decide at that point where
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you fall in the spectrum. It's not a perfect science,
but that's where I usually start. And then if you
are shopping in person, if you're at a store, find
the category of shade that you're in. Are you light,
are you medium? Are you tan? Are you dark? And
then pick the three shades that look closest to what
you think it is. And then you do a swipe
down your cheek and down your neck a little bit,
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try and find some natural light if there's a window
in the store, if possible, and just do that little
stripes down your neck and ideally it will just blend
and almost disappear into your neck. And that's what we're
looking for when we want a color match. Excellent advice,
or you could just get Rebecca to tell you that's
that's your other option too. Yeah, So, I mean, Jenny,
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I would love to turn with you a little bit here.
You could talk about, like what are the occasions that
somebody should seek out a stylist, Like what when would
you recommend that somebody look into hiring a stylist, or
like what do people tend to come to you guys for? Yeah,
So people come to us for any and all occasions,
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whether it's like your every day you're just try to
curate your wardrobe or your makeup bag or your hair
product selection. Because majority of people in America, so it's
the eighty twenty rule, and you wear twenty percent of
your things eighty percent of the time, and so it
creates a lot of stress and just overwhelm every morning
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when you could justify your life and get everything in
your closet, everything in your makeup bag that you love.
So it could be for every day, it could be
for special occasion. It could be for you're starting a
new chapter in your life. You've had transitions in your body.
I know that we hear this a lot. COVID ten
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you've either lost or gained ten and people uses as
an opportunity to revamp their style if you're looking for
a new work wardrobe. A lot of people have shifted
their working styles from working from home to maybe a
hybrid schedule, so this is a really great tool to
help that. And just similar to the way that you
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would work with a mechanic or a plumber, you're wearing
clothing every single day, You're wearing products on your skin
and in your hair, and having an expert guide that
process can save you a lot of time, effort, and money.
Do you find a lot of people signing up for
services like around certain milestone birthdays example, Yeah, definitely, like
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Mother's Day. We had a lot of bookings for their
mothers and yeah, birthdays for example, or starting a new
job and they want to celebrate that milestone and that
achievement in their career. Yeah. Now, I thought it was
definitely an interesting experience. I mean just it's funny where
some makeup for like years, but I haven't really thought
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about much how to do it. And there are like
those little things about like well what makes you look awake,
you know, the brows and the mascara versus the stuff
under the eyes. Necessarily that you probably aren't necessarily thinking about.
So yeah, well it's definitely I could. Yeah, I find
that like these stylists that they've been in the industry
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for decades and they have so much experience and wisdom
to share with you that like, this is not our
job to know these things every single day, it's their job,
and they can prepare the way for you so you
don't have to spend all that time. I'm endlesslie scrolling
through YouTube and Instagram though it's fun, but that content
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is met for a mass audience and to meet your
individual needs. Like, how do you know if you have
hooded eyes, for example, unless someone told you that, And
there's a lot of you don't know what you don't
know until you work with a stylist. And yeah, you
can get amazing results with minimal effort and time. Awesome,
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Although speaking of the whole Instagram and YouTube thing, I
wonder if either of you have recommendations. We have this
question from listeners videos people to follow whose content is
aimed at adult women who are leading the Tuesday staff meeting,
as opposed to wishing to look like you know somebody
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on the keeping up with the Kardashians or whatever. Are
there any content producers that you guys really like and
would recommend? I think Ky Washington is a makeup artist.
She is a makeup artist with me in a clean
Beauty Artist program. She is incredible, uses clean products and
it's all very natural looking. But she's a little bit
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more like on the glam side too, which I think
is fun. And then Kristin Arnette is also a celebrity
makeup artist, very natural looking, you're not going to get
major crazy, you know, contouring sort of looks. And also
Katie Dunno, which is a celebrity makeup artist. She can
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do some really beautiful work, and I think her recommendations
and tips that she posts on Instagram are very accessible
for every day awesome Awesome. We may get some of
those names, so we can share those in this show
notes as well. Really, Corul, well, we always end with
a love of the week. So these are the things
that we are finding really cool, and so Sarah and
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I can go first if you guys want a moment
or two to think about it. Although we've gotten some
good productations already, I will start that I really liked
Rebecca's recommendations of the Alia stuff that I've been using
their foundation and concealer and their multi stick I guess
as you said, and have found that to be very
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usable and it's very quick to put on. So I'll
give a shout out to those. So I've enjoyed using that. Well,
how about you. Mine is a little bit more. I
actually might have used this as a prior level of
the week, but I have to give a shout out
to the Allure Beauty Box. I've been getting this every
month the last I don't know, six to nine months,
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and you know, other subscription boxes are a sort of
hit or miss, but in this box, there's usually at
least one, if not two things that I really really
like and the box is like twenty five dollars a month.
And for example, there was this cream. It was by
a brand called avant Ava and t it's like a
college and cream. I'm like, this stuff is really nice.
I'm like, maybe I'll go buy it. I mean, came
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in this twenty five dollars box and I'm like, oh, well,
I probably won't buy excess one hundred and twenty dollars
and that would be a little bit of a I
mean maybe I will who knows, but like, what an
amazing value that it came in this twenty five dollars box,
And I guess that's just a testament to how much
cosmetics are probably marked up a lot of the time,
but you just get some really nice deals and honestly,
like the truth is, it comes every month and there's
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usually something else that I really like. So as long
as I don't mind bouncing around from brand to brand,
I feel like it's a great way to try out
a lot of really nice luxury skincare and a few
beauty products at a reasonable price. Awesome good endorsement there, Rebecca,
or well, yeah, Rebecca, why don't you start with yours? Sure?
So there is one trend on Instagram that's been going
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around the last few weeks where people place their makeup
products on their face at the same time. So they'll
put bronzer and blush on and maybe a highlighter on
their face all at once, and then you blend it.
So I have been playing around with this and it's cool.
I think it is a little bit of a time
saver since you're only blending once, but it works really
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well if you're using cream products. So I'm applying my bronzer,
a little blush, even a little concealer, and I blend
it all and it's great, especially if you have a
booty blender. It's really it's fun. So try it. All right,
that's the next tip. And Jenny, how about you, what's on?
What are you loving this week? I really love being
a Borrean touch up pen. It's a concealer pen and
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you just put it underneath your eyes and it just
really light like puts more life into your eyes and
widens them. Wonderful. All right, well, this has been great
talking with you guys. Jenny, can you remind us where
we can find you all online and how our listeners
could look you guys up. Yeah. Style space dot com
is where you can book a styling session in any
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category from clothing, hair, makeup, and skincare, and you can
also download a free ebook to start your five steps
to achieving your dream style. Awesome. Well, thank you guys
so much for joining. Yes, we really appreciate it. Yeah,
thanks so much for having me. Thank you so much.
All right, well, that was so much fun. We are
back with the question portion of this episode. This question
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comes from a listener who says she is a full
time working mom with a husband and a nine year
old daughter. She is in a lead position for a
small nonprofit busy household, also coordinating care for aiding parents.
Her question initially was about negotiating work from home one
day a week or leaving early a couple of days
a week, because she has all this stuff going on
(31:33):
with appointments for aging parents and such like this. Now,
of course it sounds a little strange, like what negotiating
to work from home? Isn't that like a twenty eighteen question, Like,
I don't think we got that question since twenty nineteen, because,
of course, huge chunks of our listeners have been working
from home some number of days per week during the
(31:53):
course of COVID, and it's not so much about negotiating it. Now.
It seems like a lot of organizations are negotiating to
get people back into the office one day a week.
I mean, it's really an entirely different thing. But it
turns out not where this particular listener works, So she
says previously asking for flexibility may have impacted her pay.
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She believes she was given a smaller raise in some
previous junctures because she had taken some flexibility. She's been
back in the office full time for a year and
it's been taking its full attempting to manage the care
of her parents. She wants some more flexibility because she
has to be in the place basically forty hours a week,
(32:34):
clocking in, clacking out, even though some of this is
definitely sort of the informational work that could be done
at home. So she's wondering what she should do. Should
she approach this in a certain way of asking for flexibility,
or should she maybe try to find a new position
that would offer her the ability to work from home
(32:56):
have a little bit more flexibility. So, Tara, what do
you think? Yeah, my thought is that I guess I'm
just really disappointed. You've been in this role a really
long time, which means that you've probably been giving more
than you've been taking from this company, or you wouldn't
still be there. And I guess it's just surprising to
me that they're not doing more to support your desires
for a bit more flexibility at this juncture. And so
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I do think that probably the way to I don't know,
prove your value or make them rethink your value is
to job search. If you can I'm not saying necessarily
to leave, but hey, look around, because you may be
surprised that you're able to find some other options that
are either mostly remote or incredibly flexibility on how you
use that remoteness. And even if you truly don't want
(33:40):
to leave your current position, you could use an offer.
Maybe you find an offer that's like eighty percent remote
and say, hey, I'm going to leave unless you give
me like one day or two days a week to
be remote, and that might actually be able to kind
of get you what you want at your current position,
or you will find something better. You mentioned your age
is something that you were worried about, but I don't
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think that being you know, just over fifty is going
to be a hindrance in the job market at this point.
I mean a lot of leadership positions are offered to
people in that age range who said you were eighty.
That might be a little bit different, but I don't know.
I just it sounds like where you are. They sound
a little micromanagerie to me, and I think it's probably
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worth looking elsewhere. I won't throw out the idea of
part time. I mean, if you truly feel like you
just do not want to look at anything work related
on any Friday or something, and you feel like you
have the job structure that could support that and you
can financially do it. You know that that would be
one option, but you'd have to figure out how that
work that you're missing would be covered so that you're
not forced to try to basically do forty hours of
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week in thirty two hours, which is probably just going
to be very stressful and not actually feasible. Yeah, it
is strange that this is like the one organization that
didn't adopt remote work. I mean, I don't know what
are they thinking. Who knows have they heard about the
Great Resignation? I would agree with Sarath, there's you're a
downside to looking for a job, Like you're absolutely allowed
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to go hunt for a job if you want. It,
doesn't mean you have to take it. You're just seeing
what is out there. And there are definitely jobs in
the nonprofit universe that are going to be fully remote
or in the office two days a week, which might
be a lot better for you, or maybe they're fully flexible,
like you're in the office when you need to be,
and you aren't when you aren't, and you can you know,
build this life that allows you to deal with your
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other responsibilities around that. So I would say, see what's
out there network hard, really ask yourself if there's things
in adjacent fields that you might be interested in doing.
You're not committing yourself to anything. You're just seeing what's
out there, seeing who's interested in you. You may wind
up offered a wonderful position that you're like, I can't
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believe I worked for these people for so many years
because this was there. It may be that it's pretty similar,
but you're just you know, you can then make a choice,
is it enough better to go or can I use
this as a leverage see it more of what I
want out of my current job. I would say, you know,
especially as PEP will get older, sometimes there are certain
aspects of a job that they have built up and
accrued over time. So as you mentioned more you have
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a lot of vacation time, for instance, you probably are
pretty good benefits on things like that. Just make a
list of what those are, like what you absolutely need
in that and if you definitely want at least you know,
twenty vacation that days per year, like, go into your
negotiations for a new job with that in mind, and
you know you might be able to get it. I mean,
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who knows. Like I think it's just we're not like
we have to know what we're comparing this current job too.
And it's possible that there's nothing out there that's as good,
but I feel like that's highly unlikely. There's probably something
out there that's pretty similar that you could you could
be doing and that might be a little bit more
appreciative of your time and agree. Awesome, Well, you'll have
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to follow up and let us know, let us know
what you do, all right. Well, this has been best
of both worlds. We have been talking all things style, makeup, accessories,
et cetera. We will be back next week with more
on making work and life pit together. Thanks for listening.
You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com
or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can
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Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,
an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.
I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.
On the side, we are two working parents who love
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Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,
and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping
(00:25):
out long term career goals. We want you to get
the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.
This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and fifty six,
which is first airing in late June of twenty twenty two.
We are going to be interviewing Jenny Eversol and Rebecca
Kirkwood from style Space, which is a virtual styling company.
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They can help you figure out makeup, accessories, various other things.
That's what we did. We both did sessions with them.
I learned about makeup with Rebecca. Sarah did accessories. So
we'll be really excited to talk with them and get
some great tips about how everyone can indulge in these
fun things. Because Sarah, you love these sort of superficial
(01:09):
episode topics, right, I do enjoy them. I enjoy listening
to them. When other podcasts have these kinds of things
as topics, and I enjoy creating them and the feedback
we get from our listeners. I always, you know, kind
of have this self conscious feeling like, oh, is this
too frivolous of a topic, Like it's not serious enough.
But honestly, like, I think it's something that can be
(01:33):
enjoyable to some people. It is to me. I feel
like I like having some control over how I put
myself out in the world, and part of that is
choosing how to dress and maybe which kind of makeup.
And I guess I don't see any downside in that,
although I think it's also totally fine if you don't
enjoy those things to completely forego them. So you do you. Yeah,
(01:54):
it's funny. I've been thinking about this with our longtime listeners. Know.
I am doing this Shakespeare reading project this year. I'm
reading through all the works of Shakespeare, and last month
I read through all his sonnets. And if anyone has
had to read his sonnets in your college English class
or what have you, you know that he has a
real be in his bonnet about cosmetics for unknown reasons.
I mean, this is a man who made his living
(02:16):
in the theater, where there was all sorts of falseness
in how one portrays oneself, but that was his particular
bugaboo with some of these sonnets complaining about how people
had painted themselves and such. You know, I've never been
a big makeup person. It's been interesting. I up pondered
it because I feel like, well, I can learn other skills,
(02:37):
like I just didn't bother to ever sort of figure
out makeup, just kind of bought what's at the drug
store what I think would work, which you know, probably
similarly with clothes. It's never been an area that I've
cared that much about. But I know that there's definitely
something to be said for how you present yourself to
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the world, and certainly looking nice allow other people to
maybe interact with you a little bit differently than they
might have. And I've become certainly more aware of that
getting older a little bit harder to be effortlessly beautiful. Yes,
got to get older. The age thing definitely comes into
play because I was thinking about this and I really
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didn't consistently wear makeup until my late thirties. And I
remember when I was coming back to work after having Genevieve,
I was like, I need something just because I just
didn't feel you know, you have that postpartum feeling, you
just don't feel like yourself or you just don't necessarily
feel that attractive. And so my treat to myself was
to go to the North Strium beauty counter and just
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let somebody like have at it with me. And I
ended up with a bunch of not a bunch, but
like several products from a couple of brands, and then
I've just kind of kept that look ever since. And
now it does feel a little bit weird to leave
the house without at least some like, you know, tinted moisturizers,
sunscreen type product, and mascara at the very minimum. And
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I do think there's a little age relatedness to that,
because I don't think I felt particularly unadorned or bare
face when I was thirty, but hey, yeah, although the
key thing still is that it needs to be a
very short regimen. I'm not going to spend a ton
of time on it. And it's always one of the
things that sort of has annoyed me, like whenever I
do television or something that's filmed and you have to
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do makeup and it takes like thirty minutes to get
it on. I mean, I get it. I know that
they have to do a lot of it for the
camera lights and stuff, but it's like, oh my god,
you're just sitting in this fair and I think makeup
is one of those eighty twenty things, like twenty percent
of the work gets you eighty percent of the way there,
or in my case, maybe like ten percent. Like, yeah,
I think doing something is so much better, at least
(04:49):
for me than doing nothing. I know it's not the
one hundred percent I could get by sitting in a
chair with a makeup artist for thirty minutes or something
like that, but like it's actually it's not like it's
ten percent as good. It's actually closer to the optimal
than you would think. No, that's true, and certainly television.
I mean I've always laughed about it, like if I've
been on a morning show and had my makeup done
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and then I have to take the train back to
Philly or something after it and looking like I was
just out. You know, it's as bad as Shakespeare probably
thought it was the amount of makeup all over my
face being on the train at like ten in the morning,
so have had a few particular moments of that. How
about clothing, you are, I mean he did this session
(05:32):
on accessories, which what do you mean by accessories? By
the way, Yeah, well, I will say we got a
little bit more into basics related to clothing as well.
I didn't want to focus on clothing specifically because I
had actually already worked with Lannie and Linder from Real Lifestyle,
who's like a you know, a private stylist who works
with clients on the kind of a more one on
one way, and I didn't need as much help in
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that department. But accessories is where I have definitely like
I need I need help. I don't have good jewelry
or I don't know, I just never I always feel
like I'm missing like one piece or something like that.
And the person I worked with was amazing. She was
just really she had a lot of like generalities to share,
like okay, when you're petite, like choose this over this,
or like think about this color family and that kind
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of thing. So it wasn't necessarily focusing on like where
this exact kind of necklace, although we did get into
some of that, but the kind of more general concept
stuff was really really helpful and fun. Yeah, I've done
some clothes styling stuff. I wrote about it in one
hundred and sixty eight hours. I definitely recommend if you
are ever aiming to spend a larger amount of money
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on clothes for some reason. Maybe it's you know, either
your body shape has changed for some reason, or you're
starting a different sort of job, or move to an
entirely different climate, or whatever it is that might necessitate
a wardrobe refresh. It's just going to be more efficient
to have somebody tell you the right stuff to buy,
(06:56):
as opposed to you know, you not knowing, for instance,
and maybe spending money on things that you don't really
wind up wearing. Yeah, I mean, in my experience, not
just more efficient, But I have to say that expertise
means that most of the pieces that I worked with
with Lannie are things that are really really lasting, like
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that I will likely keep for years and years and years.
And I don't necessarily have such good luck on my own.
I don't think such a high ratio of things I
have chosen on my own have ended up being pieces
that I've worn over and over again. So, I mean,
I know it's a little questionable to say that, like
spending out on someone who's going to help you, spend
lots of money on clothes saves money, but honestly, in
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the long run, it may at least pay for itself. Yeah, definitely. Well,
let's learn some more. We're going to answer some great
questions that people have sent in as well about makeup
in this next session. So looking forward to hearing from
Jenny and Rebecca. Well, Sarah and I are delighted to
welcome Jenny and Rebecca to the program. We'll start by
having you guys introduce yourself. Jenny, can you start? Yeah, So,
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my name is Jenny Eversol, and I'm the founder of
style Space, which, as Laura and Sarah mentioned already, it's
a virtual styling platform where you can connect and get
expert style coaching from hair, clothing, and makeup stylists. And
I founded this company about two years ago from an
idea that I had as a fashion designer, and we
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basically wanted to bring something to everyday women who struggled
with style challenges like myself. That's awesome, and Rebecca, can
you introduce yourself as well? Hi, thank you, it's so
great to be here. I am Rebecca Kirkwood. I am
a clean makeup artist and an instructor, and I specialize
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in natural looks and clean, non toxic beauty and stinkcare,
and I am one of the clean makeup artists working
with stock Space. Rebecca, since I did a session with you,
maybe you can talk about what goes on in a
virtual session. I mean, for anyone who's not done this
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sort of thing before, how does it work to do
a virtual makeup session? Sure? I know it's really fun
to do virtual sessions. We come on and take a
look at your products. So if we're doing a makeup
bag makeover, we'll look at your products virtually. You'll hold
them up. I might have you sample some of it
on your skin so I can see you. A big
part of it also is, of course, making sure I
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can see you, so I'll make sure you're set up
for success with your lighting and your setup in advance.
And then if we do a makeup lesson together, we
will take turns back and forth, so I will demonstrate
how to do a technique on my face, and then
I'll pause and let you do your turn, and I'll
give you tips and kind of correct you and talk
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you through it as you go. Yeah, that's what I
did with Rebecca a few weeks ago. If she would demonstrate,
I would attempt to do it myself. I mean, you know,
it's for people who've ever had makeup done. You know,
obviously the makeup artists would do your makeup, but you
are learning the technique like sort of see her do it,
then you do it, And so the idea is you're
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learning the skills at the same time, right exactly. Yeah, well,
let's talk about some of those skills, Rebecca, because I mean,
I'm very curious what you see people do wrong all
the time. I'm sure as a makeup artist you were
walking around constantly like I can't believe they're doing that.
What are there some of the biggest mistakes you see? Yeah,
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you know, I won't preface it and say, you know,
makeup is there's no like hard fast rules with makeup, right,
and we can show our creativity through makeup. And I
love that. So I have like my signature style and
what I think looks really beautiful on people. But that's
not you know, necessarily to say that everybody's makeup isn't
what they had intended it to look like. Right that
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being said, I do think there are some sort of
basic makeup quote mistakes that I see that are things
we can could, you know, work on all. So for example,
just using way too much makeup. It's so simple, but
sometimes that's sort of the easiest thing to correct. People
will ask things like, oh, my skin is caking or
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pooling or creasing, or my foundation doesn't look right and
my concealer doesn't look right. And when I ask them
to show me what they use or how they do it,
immediately I can tell them, well, you're using like twice
or three times as much product as you really need
to be using, and that's why it's just not working.
So I would suggest to everybody is just like, pull
back and use less makeup, use thin layers and really
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let your skin shine through and it'll be probably an improvement.
And some other makeup mistakes using colors and products that
just aren't right for them. So maybe they know how
to do their makeup or they love their products, but
it's just not the right one for them. And I
think that's a big part of why working with experts
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like the people on style Space for example, can help
because sometimes that's really hard to figure out, you know,
what is the right product for you. And generally I
find maybe the shade is just off, the foundation's shade
is wrong, or the concealer shade is wrong, the eyeshadows
just isn't necessarily complementary to the person. And that's something
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that you can easily fix, you know, just like you
would when you're fixing your styling or anything else. You're
learning about yourself and figuring out what works for you.
And then one other mistake I see a lot is
not using the makeup in the way that it's intended
to be used. And talk about this a lot as
makeup artists with contouring. I mean, that's really hot right now.
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People are learning how to do their makeup on YouTube
and Instagram. Right We're all watching I do it myself
because most of my feet is his makeup, right, So
I'm scrolling and I'm watching people doing their makeup, and
I'm like, oh my god. First of all, like I
said before, using so much makeup, they're covering their whole
face in it, right, and it's not necessarily what what
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it's intended to do. Right, We're not trying to like
restructure our entire face with makeup, which is what I'm
seeing people do, which is really cool, right, Like that
could be a thing, and some people might want to
do that, and there might be times and opportunities where
that's appropriate. But I would say right now, less is
more with contring. We could talk more about it, but
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I see women walking around with you know, lines and
stripes all over their face, and I'm like, what are
you doing to yourself? You're making your life really difficult,
you know. So, yeah, trends change a lot too change. Well,
it's funny. I mean it may be fine for, as
you said, certain circumstances, but I'm not sure your circumstances
like your Tuesday morning staff meetings, right, yeah, yeah, so
for you know, just sticking with Rebecca here, for women
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who do have you know, busy lives, mornings are getting
kids ready for school, they got to get themselves ready
for work and set what are kind of the you know,
the minimalist tools you would suggest, you know, our listeners.
As Sarah and I were discussing earlier, we probably didn't
wear a whole lot of makeup when we were younger,
but as we get a little bit older, it may
be hoove us to have a little bit of help,
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especially as you know, maybe we're not always getting as
much sleep or as doing and youthful as we used
to be. But what of the minimalist tools you would
recommend that women have in their makeuppect, Like, what are
sort of the basic products we should all have. Yeah,
that's a great question. So I think there are some
basics that every person can have, and then you can
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add to it, you know, depending on what you have
going on. But I would start with your complexion. So
maybe one complexion product like a tinted moisturizer or a
tinted facial oil or a foundation, you know, depending on
what sort of look you want, how much coverage you want,
So that would be one. And for some people that
could just be their concealer, you know, so it doesn't
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have you don't have to necessarily have like a whole
lot of phase coverage. So a concealer, a tinted moisturizer
or foundation, something for your complexion, and then something to
help you look more like alive or bright, something to
bring some life to your face. So that could be
a blush or a brownser or both. You know, if
you want to play around the stuff and then helping
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you look more awake. I would say those products would
be mascara and some sort of a brow product, whether
that's a brow gel or a brow pencil. But as
soon as we open up the eyes and add some
definition to the eyes, it can really transform the whole
entire face. And I tell people, if you're really really
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low on time, just put some mascara on, maybe brush
your brows a touch of blush, and you can use
that same blush on your lips if it's a cream product,
and you can really do a whole face of makeup
in five minutes or so. If that's all you have, awesome.
Well we are going to take a quick ad break
and we will be back with Rebecca Kirkwood and Jenny
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Eversol with style Space. So we are back talking with
Rebecca Kirkwood and Jenny Eversol from style Space, which is
virtual styling service. Sarah and I both did sessions with
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them learning about various things. We're starting with Rebecca right now,
just talking about makeup. That's what I did with her.
And I find it interesting that you just said, you
know you want to look awake, you put on mass
era and a brow thing. Because I think a lot
of us when we think, oh well I look asleep
because I have Dirk circles under my eyes, the first
thing we think about is I should like cake on,
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like the foundation under my eyes. So maybe you need
to repeat that for the folks listening here. Now, do
you really look awake getting sort of not getting rid
of but or at least taking attention away from circles
under the eyes. Yeah. Absolutely. I do think a big
part of makeup and why it's so great is that
it can distract people, you know, and you have control
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over what you want people to look at. So, especially
for women over forty, I say, don't worry about piling
on a lot of coverage necessarily, although I do think
a little bit of a concealer under the eye goes
a long way. But if you put some black mescera
on and put a little definition on your brow, your
eye area gets lifted. People are looking at you in
the eyes when they're talking to you, you know, when
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you're meeting somebody on the street or at work. That's
what they're looking at. They're not looking at your dark circles.
They're you know, looking at the definition around your eye.
Really similar to if you have like a really nice
photo or picture, putting a black frame around that all
of a sudden, it makes the picture look so much better. Right,
I have a makeup related question. Obviously there are all
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different skin tones and skin types and all those kinds
of things, but you definitely do some specific product racks.
I know you had fun doing that with Laura and
she had fun shopping. Do you have any magical products
out there that you feel like benefit like ninety five
percent of the people who try them, like some wonders
that tend to kind of work for everyone in building
that streamlined routine. Yeah, there are some great products out there.
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I think having a multi use product is something that
everybody can have and make use out of. So for example,
that could be something like a multi stick by Ilia.
They make a really great cream product. It could be
used on the cheeks, it can be used on the eyes,
it can be used on the lips. So I love
that because you can even toss it in your bag
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and literally do your makeup in the car if you
have to or when you're traveling, which is really awesome.
Another brand, Beauty Counter, makes a really lovely cream blush
that comes in a little compact, which is really great
for travel, and it has a mirror built into it,
so I think that that's really handy because we're not
often traveling or going to work with a mirror. And
(19:01):
then Cosss makes some really lovely brow products, both a
brow pencil and a brow gel that are really universal.
The brow gel can be invisible like a shade that's clear,
so you don't even have to worry about color matching.
You can just brush your brows similar to as if
you were, you know, putting hairspray in your hair. You
(19:22):
don't have to worry about the shade. You're just putting
the brows in its place and making your face look
a little bit more defined. Yes, I will say that
I had no idea that that was a thing that
you could sort of put stuff on your brows, or
should I guess for that matter. I mean, I've seen
some people do brows really badly over the years, like
you know, it looks like, you know, you light coloring
(19:42):
and you have like a huge dark streak across your
face and your eyebrows, and so I sort of assumed
that that was what the products were, but it turns
out no, that's not Yep, you can do it differently. Yeah,
And I think we have a sort of question from
listeners about you mentioned as we get older, we might
want to have a little bit of foundation on a
little bit of coverage. Way to think about finding one
(20:04):
that matches because of course, you know, people have a
million different skin tones and there are a lot of
different products out there, and thankfully more than there used
to be. I mean, it used to be like you
were white or you weren't right, you know, but now
there's a lot more, which is great, but it also
makes it even sort of more challenging to figure out
what's quite match. So how should we think about Yeah,
(20:25):
this is actually finding foundation and matching concealer is probably
one of the hardest things for my clients that I
work with. And I would say first, when you're thinking
about color matching, step back and think about your actual
physical coloring. So same thing when you're thinking about what
kind of clothes you're wearing, are you cool toned or
(20:46):
warm toned? Most people fall into one of those categories
or they're in between, like a neutral. So for example,
if you know you burn really easily, or you're fairly fair,
you look really good and silver and light like cool tones,
blues and things like that. We used to talk about
coloring like back in the eighties and nineties, like what
(21:09):
season you are, Like if you're a winter okay, so
that might be somebody who's cool toned. And if you're
warm or golden, you might tan more easily. You might
look really nice in gold or more like jewel tones
things like that. So you can sort of start there
and get a sense of like you have to have
(21:29):
sort of an inner conversation with yourself, like what kind
of skin tone do I have? You can also look
at the back of your wrist and look at your
veins and see like are they really blue and purple
or is your skin sort of translucent? That might mean
that you're a little bit more cool toned. I would
say a lot of people fall in that neutral spot. Okay.
So once you sort of decide what your coloring is,
(21:51):
if you go to the websites of the brands that
you're shopping from, these there are tools now. They make
it so easy, like color maps tools which did not
exist before. I almost think it's easier to color match
online than it is in person. These days when you're shopping,
like in a store, it could be kind of endless,
you know, options, But online they'll break it down. Are
(22:13):
you fair, are you light? Are you medium? Are you tan?
Are you dark? Are you deep? And you can figure
out by looking at the models. Okay, I have a
sort of a sense of where I fall in that spectrum,
and then you look at the descriptions. Are you a
medium cool? Are you a medium warm? You know, this
is where you sort of decide at that point where
(22:33):
you fall in the spectrum. It's not a perfect science,
but that's where I usually start. And then if you
are shopping in person, if you're at a store, find
the category of shade that you're in. Are you light,
are you medium? Are you tan? Are you dark? And
then pick the three shades that look closest to what
you think it is. And then you do a swipe
down your cheek and down your neck a little bit,
(22:55):
try and find some natural light if there's a window
in the store, if possible, and just do that little
stripes down your neck and ideally it will just blend
and almost disappear into your neck. And that's what we're
looking for when we want a color match. Excellent advice,
or you could just get Rebecca to tell you that's
that's your other option too. Yeah, So, I mean, Jenny,
(23:18):
I would love to turn with you a little bit here.
You could talk about, like what are the occasions that
somebody should seek out a stylist, Like what when would
you recommend that somebody look into hiring a stylist, or
like what do people tend to come to you guys for? Yeah,
So people come to us for any and all occasions,
(23:38):
whether it's like your every day you're just try to
curate your wardrobe or your makeup bag or your hair
product selection. Because majority of people in America, so it's
the eighty twenty rule, and you wear twenty percent of
your things eighty percent of the time, and so it
creates a lot of stress and just overwhelm every morning
(23:58):
when you could justify your life and get everything in
your closet, everything in your makeup bag that you love.
So it could be for every day, it could be
for special occasion. It could be for you're starting a
new chapter in your life. You've had transitions in your body.
I know that we hear this a lot. COVID ten
(24:19):
you've either lost or gained ten and people uses as
an opportunity to revamp their style if you're looking for
a new work wardrobe. A lot of people have shifted
their working styles from working from home to maybe a
hybrid schedule, so this is a really great tool to
help that. And just similar to the way that you
(24:40):
would work with a mechanic or a plumber, you're wearing
clothing every single day, You're wearing products on your skin
and in your hair, and having an expert guide that
process can save you a lot of time, effort, and money.
Do you find a lot of people signing up for
services like around certain milestone birthdays example, Yeah, definitely, like
(25:03):
Mother's Day. We had a lot of bookings for their
mothers and yeah, birthdays for example, or starting a new
job and they want to celebrate that milestone and that
achievement in their career. Yeah. Now, I thought it was
definitely an interesting experience. I mean just it's funny where
some makeup for like years, but I haven't really thought
(25:24):
about much how to do it. And there are like
those little things about like well what makes you look awake,
you know, the brows and the mascara versus the stuff
under the eyes. Necessarily that you probably aren't necessarily thinking about.
So yeah, well it's definitely I could. Yeah, I find
that like these stylists that they've been in the industry
(25:45):
for decades and they have so much experience and wisdom
to share with you that like, this is not our
job to know these things every single day, it's their job,
and they can prepare the way for you so you
don't have to spend all that time. I'm endlesslie scrolling
through YouTube and Instagram though it's fun, but that content
(26:06):
is met for a mass audience and to meet your
individual needs. Like, how do you know if you have
hooded eyes, for example, unless someone told you that, And
there's a lot of you don't know what you don't
know until you work with a stylist. And yeah, you
can get amazing results with minimal effort and time. Awesome,
(26:27):
Although speaking of the whole Instagram and YouTube thing, I
wonder if either of you have recommendations. We have this
question from listeners videos people to follow whose content is
aimed at adult women who are leading the Tuesday staff meeting,
as opposed to wishing to look like you know somebody
(26:49):
on the keeping up with the Kardashians or whatever. Are
there any content producers that you guys really like and
would recommend? I think Ky Washington is a makeup artist.
She is a makeup artist with me in a clean
Beauty Artist program. She is incredible, uses clean products and
it's all very natural looking. But she's a little bit
(27:10):
more like on the glam side too, which I think
is fun. And then Kristin Arnette is also a celebrity
makeup artist, very natural looking, you're not going to get
major crazy, you know, contouring sort of looks. And also
Katie Dunno, which is a celebrity makeup artist. She can
(27:32):
do some really beautiful work, and I think her recommendations
and tips that she posts on Instagram are very accessible
for every day awesome Awesome. We may get some of
those names, so we can share those in this show
notes as well. Really, Corul, well, we always end with
a love of the week. So these are the things
that we are finding really cool, and so Sarah and
(27:55):
I can go first if you guys want a moment
or two to think about it. Although we've gotten some
good productations already, I will start that I really liked
Rebecca's recommendations of the Alia stuff that I've been using
their foundation and concealer and their multi stick I guess
as you said, and have found that to be very
(28:16):
usable and it's very quick to put on. So I'll
give a shout out to those. So I've enjoyed using that. Well,
how about you. Mine is a little bit more. I
actually might have used this as a prior level of
the week, but I have to give a shout out
to the Allure Beauty Box. I've been getting this every
month the last I don't know, six to nine months,
(28:38):
and you know, other subscription boxes are a sort of
hit or miss, but in this box, there's usually at
least one, if not two things that I really really
like and the box is like twenty five dollars a month.
And for example, there was this cream. It was by
a brand called avant Ava and t it's like a
college and cream. I'm like, this stuff is really nice.
I'm like, maybe I'll go buy it. I mean, came
(28:59):
in this twenty five dollars box and I'm like, oh, well,
I probably won't buy excess one hundred and twenty dollars
and that would be a little bit of a I
mean maybe I will who knows, but like, what an
amazing value that it came in this twenty five dollars box,
And I guess that's just a testament to how much
cosmetics are probably marked up a lot of the time,
but you just get some really nice deals and honestly,
like the truth is, it comes every month and there's
(29:19):
usually something else that I really like. So as long
as I don't mind bouncing around from brand to brand,
I feel like it's a great way to try out
a lot of really nice luxury skincare and a few
beauty products at a reasonable price. Awesome good endorsement there, Rebecca,
or well, yeah, Rebecca, why don't you start with yours? Sure?
So there is one trend on Instagram that's been going
(29:40):
around the last few weeks where people place their makeup
products on their face at the same time. So they'll
put bronzer and blush on and maybe a highlighter on
their face all at once, and then you blend it.
So I have been playing around with this and it's cool.
I think it is a little bit of a time
saver since you're only blending once, but it works really
(30:03):
well if you're using cream products. So I'm applying my bronzer,
a little blush, even a little concealer, and I blend
it all and it's great, especially if you have a
booty blender. It's really it's fun. So try it. All right,
that's the next tip. And Jenny, how about you, what's on?
What are you loving this week? I really love being
a Borrean touch up pen. It's a concealer pen and
(30:25):
you just put it underneath your eyes and it just
really light like puts more life into your eyes and
widens them. Wonderful. All right, well, this has been great
talking with you guys. Jenny, can you remind us where
we can find you all online and how our listeners
could look you guys up. Yeah. Style space dot com
is where you can book a styling session in any
(30:48):
category from clothing, hair, makeup, and skincare, and you can
also download a free ebook to start your five steps
to achieving your dream style. Awesome. Well, thank you guys
so much for joining. Yes, we really appreciate it. Yeah,
thanks so much for having me. Thank you so much.
All right, well, that was so much fun. We are
back with the question portion of this episode. This question
(31:11):
comes from a listener who says she is a full
time working mom with a husband and a nine year
old daughter. She is in a lead position for a
small nonprofit busy household, also coordinating care for aiding parents.
Her question initially was about negotiating work from home one
day a week or leaving early a couple of days
a week, because she has all this stuff going on
(31:33):
with appointments for aging parents and such like this. Now,
of course it sounds a little strange, like what negotiating
to work from home? Isn't that like a twenty eighteen question, Like,
I don't think we got that question since twenty nineteen, because,
of course, huge chunks of our listeners have been working
from home some number of days per week during the
(31:53):
course of COVID, and it's not so much about negotiating it. Now.
It seems like a lot of organizations are negotiating to
get people back into the office one day a week.
I mean, it's really an entirely different thing. But it
turns out not where this particular listener works, So she
says previously asking for flexibility may have impacted her pay.
(32:14):
She believes she was given a smaller raise in some
previous junctures because she had taken some flexibility. She's been
back in the office full time for a year and
it's been taking its full attempting to manage the care
of her parents. She wants some more flexibility because she
has to be in the place basically forty hours a week,
(32:34):
clocking in, clacking out, even though some of this is
definitely sort of the informational work that could be done
at home. So she's wondering what she should do. Should
she approach this in a certain way of asking for flexibility,
or should she maybe try to find a new position
that would offer her the ability to work from home
(32:56):
have a little bit more flexibility. So, Tara, what do
you think? Yeah, my thought is that I guess I'm
just really disappointed. You've been in this role a really
long time, which means that you've probably been giving more
than you've been taking from this company, or you wouldn't
still be there. And I guess it's just surprising to
me that they're not doing more to support your desires
for a bit more flexibility at this juncture. And so
(33:18):
I do think that probably the way to I don't know,
prove your value or make them rethink your value is
to job search. If you can I'm not saying necessarily
to leave, but hey, look around, because you may be
surprised that you're able to find some other options that
are either mostly remote or incredibly flexibility on how you
use that remoteness. And even if you truly don't want
(33:40):
to leave your current position, you could use an offer.
Maybe you find an offer that's like eighty percent remote
and say, hey, I'm going to leave unless you give
me like one day or two days a week to
be remote, and that might actually be able to kind
of get you what you want at your current position,
or you will find something better. You mentioned your age
is something that you were worried about, but I don't
(34:00):
think that being you know, just over fifty is going
to be a hindrance in the job market at this point.
I mean a lot of leadership positions are offered to
people in that age range who said you were eighty.
That might be a little bit different, but I don't know.
I just it sounds like where you are. They sound
a little micromanagerie to me, and I think it's probably
(34:20):
worth looking elsewhere. I won't throw out the idea of
part time. I mean, if you truly feel like you
just do not want to look at anything work related
on any Friday or something, and you feel like you
have the job structure that could support that and you
can financially do it. You know that that would be
one option, but you'd have to figure out how that
work that you're missing would be covered so that you're
not forced to try to basically do forty hours of
(34:42):
week in thirty two hours, which is probably just going
to be very stressful and not actually feasible. Yeah, it
is strange that this is like the one organization that
didn't adopt remote work. I mean, I don't know what
are they thinking. Who knows have they heard about the
Great Resignation? I would agree with Sarath, there's you're a
downside to looking for a job, Like you're absolutely allowed
(35:03):
to go hunt for a job if you want. It,
doesn't mean you have to take it. You're just seeing
what is out there. And there are definitely jobs in
the nonprofit universe that are going to be fully remote
or in the office two days a week, which might
be a lot better for you, or maybe they're fully flexible,
like you're in the office when you need to be,
and you aren't when you aren't, and you can you know,
build this life that allows you to deal with your
(35:25):
other responsibilities around that. So I would say, see what's
out there network hard, really ask yourself if there's things
in adjacent fields that you might be interested in doing.
You're not committing yourself to anything. You're just seeing what's
out there, seeing who's interested in you. You may wind
up offered a wonderful position that you're like, I can't
(35:45):
believe I worked for these people for so many years
because this was there. It may be that it's pretty similar,
but you're just you know, you can then make a choice,
is it enough better to go or can I use
this as a leverage see it more of what I
want out of my current job. I would say, you know,
especially as PEP will get older, sometimes there are certain
aspects of a job that they have built up and
accrued over time. So as you mentioned more you have
(36:06):
a lot of vacation time, for instance, you probably are
pretty good benefits on things like that. Just make a
list of what those are, like what you absolutely need
in that and if you definitely want at least you know,
twenty vacation that days per year, like, go into your
negotiations for a new job with that in mind, and
you know you might be able to get it. I mean,
(36:26):
who knows. Like I think it's just we're not like
we have to know what we're comparing this current job too.
And it's possible that there's nothing out there that's as good,
but I feel like that's highly unlikely. There's probably something
out there that's pretty similar that you could you could
be doing and that might be a little bit more
appreciative of your time and agree. Awesome, Well, you'll have
(36:50):
to follow up and let us know, let us know
what you do, all right. Well, this has been best
of both worlds. We have been talking all things style, makeup, accessories,
et cetera. We will be back next week with more
on making work and life pit together. Thanks for listening.
You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com
or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can
(37:11):
find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has
been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us
next time for more on making work and life work together.
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