Taking Risks and Having Fun with Molly Beck, Tech Entrepreneur + Mother of 2

In the intro, Sarah and Laura discuss recent kids' birthday parties, from video game trucks to cold playgrounds. Then, Sarah interviews Molly Beck, podcast listener and tech entrepreneur.

They chat about family logistics, her work story, division of labor in their house (50/50!), and much more!

For the Q&A portion, a listener writes in asking for tips on making the morning process of leaving the house for day care/school with an infant + 2 bigger kids more efficient.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five,
an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger.
I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger.
On the side, we are two working parents who love
our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.
Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,
and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping

(00:25):
out long term career goals. We want you to get
the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.
This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and forty one,
which is airing in mid March of twenty twenty two.
Sarah is going to be interviewing Molly Beck, who is
a amazing tech entrepreneur has wonderful thoughts on building a

(00:48):
career and a family in that world. She is also
a best of both worlds listener, and we are hoping
to bring on lots of listeners as guests as they
talk about how they are combining work in life. So
we are very excited to have Molly on talking about
her life. So speaking of life right now, work in life, Sarah,

(01:10):
It's birthday party season in your household with all your
people having birthdays together in one fell swoop. I mean
they're not that close together, but Annabelle and Cameron are
only six weeks apart. I mean they're like almost two
years apart, but you know what I'm saying. And then
Genevieve is like two months prior to Cameron, so it
just feel and then there's holidays and stuff, so it's

(01:31):
like December, February, April, and then by the time each
birthday gets done, I'm like, oh my god, I need
to like figure out the next birthday like at that moment.
And we didn't do a lot of parties during like
the thick of COVID, but we're definitely back to doing
them now. So I as we are recording this and
by the time this airs, I'll just have happy memories
of this party, hopefully, But right now I'm like, oh,

(01:51):
because we're we're doing a video game truck, which seems
like it would be so easy, and it felt easy
when I reserved it, but I decided I did that
we have a lot more room to park the truck
at our new house versus our old house, like it
would really kind of like clog up the whole street
at our old house. So I did it for our
new house, which is fine. Our new house is like
a several blocks from our old house. But then it

(02:13):
occurred to me that, like number one, I have like
nowhere for parents to sit, and apparently a lot of
parents are coming, and like I got a lot of
people who were like, oh, I'm bringing my two other kids, okay,
And I'm like, okay, which is fine. I don't mind
it because I like bringing my kids to things together.
But so I need to like have a place for parents.
I have to hope that the weather is good and
we haven't moved whatsoever, and our house is still dusty
and like not pretty, and I'm like, I have to

(02:36):
clean a bathroom, like people are gonna have to come
in this house. And then I'm sort of like embarrassed
by the fact that it's a completely empty, dusty house,
and I just I don't know, like it's a lot.
And now I'm just like, why didn't I do it
at a venue where I could have not had to
do anything? And thankfully Annabelle has requested an ice skating party,
which will be nowhere near my house. I will have
to do nothing but write a check and I'm super

(02:56):
super thankful. Yay. Yeah, doing it at venues is always
a great solution because yes, you generally just invite people
and then sit back and you know, maybe you have
to choose which pizza or something, but other than that,
you don't have to do much. We are in the
family birthday desert right now as much as you can,

(03:19):
and a family of seven people have a birthday desert.
But between Alex and January and then Jasper in May,
we don't have anything. Well, I guess Max the dog
is theoretically February, but I don't feel the need to
throw him a party. So we are we're in the
no zone right now. But Henry, by the time this

(03:41):
airs will have actually gone to his first friend birthday party.
He was invited to something. It's so cute. Really just
kind of tickled about that idea that he has his
own friends. Alex turned seven right at the sort of
peak of omicron and so I kind of assume a
lot of parents weren't going to want to go to

(04:02):
like a bouncy house type place at the time, So
we wound up having an outdoor party at a local
playground and it was actually really cool. Like it was
we just you know, had a handful of kids. It
was like six other kids come. It was cold, but
it wasn't you know, So we only did an hour
because it was cold, and we did it late in

(04:23):
the afternoon on Martin Luther King Day that Monday, because
you know, it was the long weekend and so everyone
was so happy to have something to bring their kid
to by late afternoon on Monday that people were just like, oh, yes,
I'm so glad to get out of the house. We
got hot chocolate from Dunkin Donuts and the munchkins, the
little donuts, and people loved it, you know, because everyone

(04:45):
loves donuts and hot chocolate. Yeah, it was. It was
really cool. So I would say that was one of
our maybe better birthday parties. And it was pretty low key,
but it just in terms of how much fun the
kids had, it was right up there. I love the
fact that it was that short because then you basically

(05:05):
it's not like you need a pavilion or like a
place to sit or feel like you're hosting people for
this extended thing. You're just like you're taking your kid
to the playground like you normally would you're going to
stand around or sit wherever, and we have donuts and
hot chocolates. So that is that is beautiful. That was
just good job. Yeah. I mean the thing is, I
don't know that we could have gotten away with that
on like a beautiful may Day, right, Like the reason

(05:27):
it worked is it was a January Monday, and so
nobody else was at the playground, Like we had the
place to ourselves except for like two teenage boys who
were playing on the basketball court. Like, I mean, that
was it, right, And so it kind of was like
our own party venue and I could just have the
entire picnic area without making a reservation or anything, you know.

(05:49):
So it was so low key because of that. But yeah,
we did the video game truck thing once for Sam.
That was fun and it's pretty easy birthday party idea too,
if you as long as you have somewhere flat for
the park the truck to park, which turns out to
be harder than one might imagine in not in Florida. Well,

(06:11):
this part of Pennsylvania. You need a flat spot, and
my driveway it's not flat. That's so we parked in
the road. But of course then I had to make
sure like none of my neighbors were going to park
in the road there, right, you know, some like defending
five spots. Anyway, it was kind of funny. Party favors.

(06:31):
What are your thoughts on party favors? I just hate them,
I I agree. I mean the party favors that I've
gotten that have been good have been like the kid
makes a T shirt during the party and that's your favor.
Love that. But I don't really feel like I have
the energy to like do tied eye or anything. I mean,
I guess I could. That wouldn't be that hard, but

(06:51):
that sound terrible. My one A very memorable favor was
a party we went to where they gave this like
globe that like repeat it was some toy. It was
probably she said she got them like at ross at
some crazy deep discounted rate. It was probably a toy
that would have been twenty five dollars or something, but
she said she got them for like eight dollars each.
And I think I may try to go to that

(07:13):
route and like see if I can find some. We
have like a Tuesday Morning and a Ross near us,
as well as the good old Dollar store. So Josh
said he will take Cameron on Saturday parties on Sunday
and they'll look for like one random, deeply discounted thing
because I just hate the little bags of crap like
they bother me. And we did a no gifts this year.
I know this. I got this a little bit from

(07:36):
my sister in law, so her kids have done no
gifts for years, just from a like we have enough
kind of standpoint, and also just because like a lot
of times you get stuff that's just like really ran,
Like you mentioned that when kids get older they just
exchanged gift cards, which that wouldn't really bother me, but
when you get just like a lot of random plastic
crap that plugs in and like, like, how much of
that stuff do you really need or use? We certainly

(07:58):
don't need or use any any more, or given that
we have three kids and like have amassed plenty and honestly,
what Cameron really wants to do with his time is
like play the Nintendo. So anyway, we just said no gifts,
and in order to make the kids feel better about that,
we told them we will get them like a sizeable
target gift card so that throughout the year, as they
see things that they want that maybe they would have

(08:20):
gotten for their birthday. They can purchase it themselves, and
that way they're choosing like things that they're really excited about,
rather than being showered with a whole bunch of random
stuff at once. And I'm super happy because I know
I'm weird, but I get like depressed and distressed when
my kids have a pile of birthday gifts. I don't know, Okay,
I've made my piece at the lot of clutter. I

(08:41):
don't know. I agree with you on the party favor though,
I think it's best if it's either something that's like
intrinsic to the party itself. So like Ruth had a
you know, paint your own pottery party, which obviously your
thing was the pottery that you painted. That's pretty straightforward
thing that's associated with it. But I think your choice
if you're looking at like little bag of cheap crap,

(09:04):
like you're better off like going up a few dollars
and getting something actually cool, like you know, buy everyone
a copy of the kid's favorite book or a little
lego set or something, but you know, an actual thing
that would be good instead of saving a few dollars
and getting something that nobody wants. I think that's, you know,

(09:24):
maybe something you would try to decide to go up
a few dollars amount you like your friend dead who
got the cool toy for everyone? That sounds like maybe
the way to go on something like that. Well, anyway,
we will be uh, we'll keep you posted on how
the birthday parties went down. And now we'll be talking
to Mollie Well. I am so excited today to introduce

(09:46):
our guest, Molly Beck. Mollie has been a supporter and
listener of the show for quite some time, and it
is only natural that she come to join us today
to tell us all about how she dominates. She is
the CEO of Messi FM. It has had a really
fascinating career journey and has so much great stuff to share.
So go ahead, Molly, why don't you introduce yourself? Sarah.

(10:08):
I am just thrilled to be on this podcast today.
I really applaud what you and Laura have done. I
feel like that for me, it's been helpful and it's
been tangible, and it's really made me feel less alone
in this journey of motherhood. So I am just thrilled
to be here today. Okay, my name is Molly Beck.

(10:28):
I live outside of Orlando, Florida, and I live in Orlando,
Florida with my husband, Colin, who is an attorney for
a large hospitality company. And we have a four year
old boy, a two year old boy, and I am
six months pregnant with a very baby boy. So we
are just a boy family. And of course we have
our little dog, Blueberry, who is just the best part

(10:51):
of the family. And from Orlando, Florida, I run my
B to B software company, Messifm. We build internal podcast
solutions for enterprises, primarily focused on the university, government and
Fortune one thousand market. MESSI is a remote company, so
we have employees across the US, in Canada and in India,

(11:14):
and it's really a joy. Do you be able to
work with lots of customers, lots of teammates in this
wonderful new hybrid world from the Sunshine State. Yes, well,
this is a sunshine to sunshine conversation. Now, for those
of our listeners who are like me and doctors and
don't use words like B to B, what does that mean?
Because I know you pivoted at some point, I had

(11:35):
to do some of abbreviation learning. A great question, I'm
asked Okay, so there's two types of businesses. Largely, one
is called B to B. The B stand for business
to business, and one is called B two C, and
that would be business to consumer. The majority of the
products that you and I buy every day, toilet paper, lipsticks, Starbucks,

(11:58):
our B two C products, were buying them directly from
the business for us to use as consumers in our families. However,
there's also a large percentage of services accounting software. If
you wanted to buy that same toilet paper but in
mass for all of your locations, that are business to
business decisions, So someone at the business is making the decision,

(12:19):
typically through what's called the procurement department, to purchase it
for the business. So MESSIFM answer your question. Started out
as a B two C company, which means that we
created podcasting infrastructure for individuals. I got really excited about
that market because I was someone that had really benefited
from B two C web based services. As a blogger,

(12:42):
I was able to start a blog without knowing any
sort of back end coding because of service called WordPress existed,
could just jump on. It was all web based create
my blog, didn't have to learn any code, and when
I saw podcasting starting to replace blogging. I got really
excited about creating what at the time I was calling
the word press of paid pasts, making it really easy
for anyone to jump into the space. B two C

(13:05):
is a very interesting space because what typically happens and
what happened to MESSI is we had tons of users,
but those users typically don't pay too much money. So
you know a ton of users that are either on
freemium models, which means they start off as free users
and maybe you can upsell them to five ten. I
think our highest package was forty nine dollars a month.

(13:26):
Is a much different experience with instead of the B
to B space, So the B two C space and
podcast hosting became crowded. Most people are familiar with Anchor.
We competed directly with Anchor for quite some time. This
is just such a side note, but something that happened
in my life that was very impactful is I was
like eight months pregnant with my second son. We were

(13:48):
competing directly with Anchor. I couldn't sleep because I had
pregnancy insomnia, and I was on the West Coast in California,
and I was refashioning Twitter, and I really think. I
was the first person to see the tweet from Spotify.
I went out at six am East Coast time saying
they had acquired Anchor, And that was a real turning
point in my business because it did two things at once. One,

(14:10):
it validated I was in the right space. It sounds
silly to say now, but just a couple of years ago,
the idea that podcasting would become as mainstream as music
listening was not really there. You know, you were a
podcaster before that. So it was validating that I was
in the right space. But it was also very stressful
because I sort of instantly realized that these wars Anchor
and I were having sort of like lowering prices. Now

(14:31):
they would have the backing of Spotify so they could
make their service free, which is exactly what happened. And
so I do remember I saw that tweet and by
like three, like eight am Pacific time, I'd emailed my board,
I'd texted my parents because they're on Boston, So's East Coast.
I was like, everyone, this is happening, Like we have
to really think about this. Anyways, jumping ahead, we pivoted

(14:56):
to the B to B space, which means that we
primarily sell now into businesses, and what a joy that
has been. I really think most people, if you're like
me and you're starting a business, you instantly think what's
a service I can use, and then you build for yourself.
But I would encourage anyone listening you're thinking about starting
a product, think about that B to B space, think
about selling it to businesses. A couple of benefits here.

(15:18):
One right up the back price point. You can charge
a lot more for businesses, and you also have a
lot of upsell opportunities in terms of the size and
scale of the organizations that you're selling into how you're
pricing your services. Another really big one, especially if you're
a small company and you're doing some of the customer
service yourself, as I do, is that if you're selling
primarily into businesses, you're mostly getting customer service questions during

(15:41):
the business day. Very rarely are people working on their
podcast for work on like a Saturday afternoon, And we
have a twenty four hour guaranteed response time on all
of Messi's thanks for individuals and businesses, and that's a
different experience if you're getting lots of emails over the
weekend of people working on their side Hustle podcasts for staring.
So if you have an idea, if you are listening

(16:03):
to this podcast and you want to start a business,
but you don't have an idea, here's what I really
think you should do. One there's three questions you should
ask herself. One what businesses do I love? What products
do I use as a consumer? Two? How could technology
make those experiences better? And three what businesses would buy them? So,
Sarah I was actually thinking I came up with that

(16:24):
framework this morning. I was like, hmm, I'm going to
create a planner that businesses say buy for their employees. Yes, okay,
So Sarah, I actually had an idea for you because
I was thinking about so Sarah obviously loves planners. We
all know that. And then I was thinking, okay, so
right now her planners are manual, and so what's technology
that would help that? What if they were like living
some sort of software in the computer. And then I

(16:46):
was thinking, what's like a narrow a narrow thing she
could sell into. Obviously she's a doctor in the doctor space.
I have honestly, I have no idea what epic is.
I've never even reasership, but I know you always talk
about Epic on your blog, So like, what if you
did some sort of like browser sension for Epic that
made it so people could do like planning for their personnel.
You know you're laughing because I don't know that's a

(17:07):
bad idea, but like, following that train of what do
you love? How could technology improve it? In what businesses
would buy? It can help you think of a really
nice B to B business. I think Epic may hire
you as a consultant. Now they're like, wow, we never
thought of getting into the physician wellness space, but here's
our angle. We're going to hire Molly and Sarah and
we're going to go for it, and all of a sudden,
charting will go from being a chore to a pleasurable

(17:29):
part of your day where you just know, oh my goodness,
this is so funny and I love it. I love it.
I love it. Molly, you are full of amazing ideas
and this is already a lot of fun. Okay, so
we're going to pivot. I love your business story. I
think that's so fascinating, and I think you did mention
in your explanation that I think women especially are intimidated
to go into the B to B space, but I

(17:49):
can see why a lot of us should. Just if
that's what you're interested in doing, just get over your
fears and try it, because I absolutely hear the benefits
and how they've worked out so well for you. You.
So now you have this blossoming career and so does
your husband. And you have said that you have a
fifty to fifty split in your household with your two boys,

(18:10):
young boys and boy to be. I guess that one's
more of a you, because that's hard for him to
help as much with that one so far. But tell
me about this split. Have you talked about it? What
processes do you have in order? I want to hear
the logistics here absolutely well, and I also actually have
we sort of have a solution that we've worked out
for the how I carry the baby for nine months,

(18:31):
But we'll get to that second. So Colin and I
do do we split childcare fifty fifty, truly fifty to fifty,
And the way that we do it is the night
before we look at the schedule like whatever's happening in
the day, and I would say our days are fairly predictable.
We both work largely nine to five. We don't do
a ton of work on the weekends. Our kids are

(18:51):
in some activities, but they're somewhat planned, and we do
have forty hours a week of childcare combination of nanny
and preschool. So with that in mind, I look at
the schedule for the next day, and then I can
tell you a top of my head that I know
that during the week we have about five and a
half hours each weekday that's not covered by tildcare, and
on the weekends we have thirteen hours. So dividing that

(19:12):
in half, we each do like two point seventy five
hours on the week days, and then we each do
six point five hours on the weekends, and we just
come up with a schedule. Typically, how it breaks down
is I usually do the morning shift and like an
hour after work and then calling us after work till
they go to bed. That's like on a typical day,
and then on the weekends I still am sort of

(19:33):
the early riser, so I typically take morning straight through
till around like one p one thirty, depending on what
time big it up, and then he does that till bedtime.
Something that's really important to note is that it doesn't
mean that we're not hanging out as a family. We
often do family activities on the weekends. Kids are in sports.
We're big like NASCAR, monster truck people, so we go
to that on the weekends a lot. So we're still

(19:55):
doing stuff as a family, but the person who's like on,
they're like the primary. So if we're at the monster
truck rally in the morning and one of the kids
wants a snack or has to go to the bathroom,
it would be me that's jumping up and doing it,
because I would be in the morning shift. If it's
the afternoon, we're lazing about the house, the kids are hungry.
These kids always want snacks, then it would be cool

(20:16):
and that would jump up and do it. So it's
it doesn't mean that we're not together as a family,
but somebody is on, and somebody is sort of more
off as off as you can be, but then they
also are off. If it's the afternoon and it's Colin's time,
and I am very social, I like to hang out
with my friends a lot, and if I want to
do that, it's fine. I can either hop on a zoom,

(20:36):
I can sometimes I do a little messy work, like
just doing some stuff and that's totally fine. Colin usually
works out in the morning. He's more of a runner
than I am. And we love it. I really enjoyed.
You know, how we started it actually is I think
that the hardest part of parenting for us was when
we had one child under a year old, not a
ton of activities. You could really take them too, like

(20:59):
you can take a six month old to the zoo,
but like, who's enjoying that they're I don't not. In
our family, nobody was enjoying it. So then you have
like two adults and one kid and not a lot
to do. So we started splitting up the weekend, somebody
being more on and off. And then as our family grew,
as the kids frankly became more interesting and like had
things to do, we just kept with the schedule. And oh,

(21:22):
I want I think, I want to tell you was
the nine month thing. So something that we do actually
is after I'm done like breastfeeding, then Colin does do
the next nine months of wake ups in the night time,
and that's like sort of you know, is it a
perfect science? Like no occasion I'll get up in the
middle of the night, but if the baby can take
a bottle. Then Colin does the night wake ups for
about nine months after and then hopefully by that point

(21:45):
the kids are so think you're the night Oh that's
so funny. For us, it was more like the minute
that I wasn't feeding them at night, they were like, okay, fine,
there's nothing to do, I'll just sleep, So that would
not interesting. I want to hear a tiny bit. Well,
we have to take a quick break, and as soon
as we're back, I want to ask you a tiny
bit more about your weekday split. Maybe we can do

(22:06):
like a day in the life. All Right, we are
back and we are hearing logistics from Molly, especially how
she splits things with her husband very thoughtfully. And I

(22:28):
want to hear you mentioned kind of that you are
more of the morning parent and you kind of really
split those childcare free hours very equally. So I want
to hear a day in the life at your house.
I wake up the angel saying, now, I'm just kidding.
I try to get up around six. My kids usually
they have one of those traffic lights in their rooms

(22:49):
that goes from like green to or red to green
when they can get up, so I know my four
year old does get up a little bit before then
I can hear him in the room, but my two
year olds still a sleep. They share a room, and
my four year old when he gets up, he has
to get dressed and make his bed, and then it's
when it's traffic lights, which is colors. He usually calls
for me. By that point, I'm usually dressed myself. I
just I find it very frustrating to try to like

(23:12):
do my hair, do I make up, and get dressed
with kids running around, so I try to avoid that
as much as possible. So then he and I we
trumps downstairs. Sometimes the two year old is up, then
sometimes they're not. Calm's usually still asleep with the dog.
Calm the dog are sleepers, come downstairs, have a little breakfast.
In terms of breakfast, I don't usually eat breakfast, but

(23:33):
the kids are right now. They're on like a dinosaur
eggs oatmeal kick, which honestly that stuff isn't bad. If
you're like looking for a little snackeroo cereal, you know,
we have some fruit YadA, YadA, YadA. The kid usually
watched some TV. They're really into number blocks right now,
which is if you watch it as an adult, you'd
be like, why do my kids like it. But my

(23:53):
kids really like it, so they watch number Blocks. I'd
probably last like a half hour ish, and then we
trumps back upstairs. It's like seven fifteen, seven thirty, we
wake up Colin, who's actually Colin is sometimes already awake
that the kids really like to waken up, so sometimes
he gets back in bed and pretends to be asleep
and then be kind of all that's like the most
stressful part of the day is like seven thirty to

(24:15):
like seven forty five. It's still my time. But like
the kids are running around, they're already dressed usually at
that point, like they've gotten The four year old was
alread dressed when would downstairs, and the two year old
is like in various stages of it, and like nobody
has like a defined activity, but around eight o'clock defined
activities start. People need to get shoes on out the door,
and the time switches over to Colin. Colin is usually

(24:37):
the one that brings them to school in the morning,
and okay, so then it's my time. So now it's
like eight fifteen, I am definitely walking out the door,
going to the coffee shop. Let my little routine in
the morning I always run into people I know, people
to chat with. It was really important to me to
live in a community where I think I had like

(24:57):
a number even I think I wanted to know if
fifteen percent of people in the coffee shop every day
when I moved here, Like, I just really wanted that.
Com made me feel and I do feel like I
run into people to chat with, which you really like.
So go to the coffee shop, get my coffee, come
back home by me, and it'd a bit. It's maybe
around nine. If I like, like every neighborhood right now,

(25:18):
everybody's talking about real estate gossip. So if I got
some like very hot real estate gossip, then I was
chatting with someone. I'm like texting Polin. Oh my gods,
you'll never believe who's thinking of listing? YadA yad YadA. Okay,
Then from nine to five, it's just a normal day.
I am usually on slacks with internal teams. I'm usually

(25:39):
on demos with customers. I do a lot of customer
onboarding myself. We do some creator training for some of
our bigger accounts. MESSI is no longer Messy's venture back,
which means we took outside capital to build our initial products.
So occasionally I interface with investors, although we're not currently raising.
And that's just like my nine to five. The kids

(26:00):
are usually in and out because we have a nanny
the two year olds. Not neither of the kids are
in full time school, but all of our schools are
just the morning, so I pop out chat with them. Honestly,
on occasion. They do a lot of crafts. I love crafts.
They were doing the craft that I like really like
I happen just rely, like five or ten minutes, just
to remind them who the craft master is in the house,

(26:21):
not me, no anyways. Okay, So then five o'clock the
day and we say goodbye to our nanny. Something that's
important to know is our nanny's actually a family member,
but we treat her like we would someone that was
not a family member, Like we keep very defined hours,
she's pain on the books, all of the things that
someone that was not a family member would get, and
we try to be really respectful of her time. And

(26:43):
the truth is she's a really good friend of mine,
Like you know, even though we weren't sister in law,
she would be a good friend of mine. But I
still try to really keep that boundary during the day,
So five o'clock we say goodbye to her, and then
kids and I hang out. I usually start making dinner. No,
I really like pasta, and my kids really love pasta,
so they do pasta a lot of nights, little veggies

(27:06):
the whole Shenan's, and at six o'clock call and takes
it over. I usually hang out for a little bit.
That's when I read the paper. We'll talk about that later.
That's when I read my paper and like sit in
the couch and kids are running around eating. And then
usually seven o'clock I start having more zooms and they're
usually more social. So I meet with like a creative

(27:27):
entrepreneurship club twice a week part of a life group
at church. Usually just like like to pull get togethers
with friends. So I usually do like some social stuff
online from like seven to nine. For nine o'clock, kids
are down on and I hang out chill watch some
house Hunters. It's a really fun game. One person chooses
what house hunters to go to. Another person has to

(27:48):
see if they can figure out what's to be there
in before they say it. It's pretty crazy actually, and
then go to bed. Yeah, that would be a day.
I love it, And so does your husband like kind
of take over the bedtime duty since that's like technically
his hours. Yeah, don't show me a bedtime book. I'm
not interested. And I'm just kidding. I do by him,

(28:09):
like I probably do buy him twice a week, but
most of the time it's him. Awesome. Oh well, that
sounds lovely. It sounds like you do have a lot
of fun together and with your kids. And what a
cool but unusual setup with an employed family member. I
have like some fantasies of maybe one day, well they're
going to hear it on this podcast. I don't think
they listen, but like, you know, hiring one of my

(28:31):
nieces or nephews to be like kind of like a
vacation O pair like everybody wins. They go on a
free trip, they hang out with their cousins, I pay them, Like,
I think it could be kind of fun. So yeah,
I think that's really cool that you do that. Okay,
So I wanted you to talk a little bit about
not specifically your company, but the tech Stars program and

(28:53):
kind of like the chance you took when your kids
were young that was pretty outside of the box. Just
I don't know, so listeners can kind of hear what's
possible and how it worked out for you. Sure. So,
tech Stars is an accelerator program, which means that they
take a very small number of startups each year. They
run them through a four month long program that's a
mix of mentorship, fundraising, everything to get your company into

(29:17):
a really great space, and they also invest into your company.
And so then the idea is that they take startups
that they think are going to be on a great
trajectory and help them grow even more. Tech Stars is
very competitive to get into, and I had applied in
twenty seventeen when Messi was still just an idea. I
applied in twenty eighteen when Messi was just coming out

(29:38):
of beta, and then I didn't even get an interview
either time. However, they it's part of the application you
have to submit a video. And the first time I
submitted video, you can like get like hosted on my
private YouTube. I saw that it was only watched like
three times. But then the second time the application video
was viewed like fifty times. So I was like, oh,

(29:58):
at least, like I think getting better because they're like
passing it around. So I was just like excited that
this application video was viewed fifty times and I just
got the form rejection letter. Okay, so fast forward. Now
it's twenty nineteen. I have a one year old, and
I am pregnant with my second son, and we are
living in Los Angeles, California, so we had just moved

(30:18):
cross country. My first son was born in New York.
I'm about to get birth to my second son in
Los Angeles. My husband works for a different, like hospitality
ish company out there, and I get an email from
Texars in like January, from the managing director asking me
to apply again. And you know, one of one of

(30:40):
my traits is I'm definitely a Gretchen Reuben rebel, and
I don't like it when people tell me. I don't
like what people tell me what to do. You wanted
this program until they wanted you a hundred percent. And
also the logistics of my life just made absolutely no sense.
I was like super pregnant, I had this one year old.

(31:01):
You know, another reality of my life at that time
is that MESSI was not making very much money. Remember
we had all those users, but no real money. We're
still by to see, so I didn't have regular childcare
at all. And we also lived in LA where we
do no one, so we didn't even have family. So
I was doing the bulk of the childcare and I
was like working on MESSI really early in the morning,
which actually worked at well because on the East time

(31:22):
it was like nine to twelve, so it was like
early in the morning six to nine my time, so
I could do work before Calm left for work. But like,
you know, I don't know how other people feel being pregnant,
but I just like it wasn't in the right head space.
So I get this email, totally blow it off, blow
it off, like a million times. It keeps emailing. I'm like,
he's like, I really think you should apply this year.
I'm like please, no. Anyways, long story short, my baby

(31:45):
comes early, maybe became with sposed to come like the
end of April. That came to on April fol side,
and so the application deadline for Textars was April seventh.
So give birth to the baby, thank God, everything is great,
and then get out of the hospital and I just
keep thinking about his Textar's application, and I'm like, I
don't know, like why do I keep thinking about it?

(32:06):
You know? But then I always think of that quote
that's like, you should dance with the one that wants you,
And I was like the fact that textar is email
me is kind of interesting. So anyways, decide one night,
like April the textors application to do April seven. Decide
on April six, I'm gonna do this application. So I
do the whole thing, and then I realized, oh my gosh,
I should do another video. Remember my videos that were

(32:26):
only being viewed a couple a couple of times. However,
I just had this epidural. My face is like so puffy.
You know, I didn't look my best. I didn't look
my worst. Actually just yeah, let's like we all know
that most people listening to this podcast are like not
my finest hundred person exactly. But so I like go

(32:48):
in the corner of our bedroom and I'm talking really
low in the video because Be's sleeping, and I just
do this quick video and I send it off. Anyways,
end up getting email like inviting me to interview in Philadelphia.
And I don't know what other people's marriages are like.
But I hadn't really told Colin all of the details

(33:09):
about this tech Stars thing. You know, I always think,
why worry people until things are becoming more serious. You know,
I was like, oh, isn't it fun? Textar seems like
they want me. Oh yeah, I applied, We'll see what
happens blah blah blah. But then it suddenly becomes really
real that I have to if I want to continue
the process, I have to fly to Philadelphia and interview.

(33:30):
And at this point I the interview process, the interview date,
I would have a five week old and then I
still have a one year old that remember we have
no regular childcare, so like that's a whole other brinkle,
Like who would watch the one year old while I'm gone?
I didn't think I was up. I knew the five
years old would have to come with me because it
was so breastfeeding. If I knew the one year old couldn't,
it would just be too crazy. So do a little thinking,

(33:51):
And I called my parents and I sort of like
told them the whole story, and they're like, tech what
the stars like? Blah blah blah, And I'm and my
dad like, this is just a parva story that I
think is really important. Is like, I'm very lucky that
I have a community that really believes in my ideas
and my dad, who's not I would say a super

(34:11):
baby person volunteers to fly from Boston to Philly, meet
me at the interview, and then watch the baby during
the interview. And it was just such a kind offer.
And so once my dad offered that, I was like,
I think I should do this, Like I think people really,
I think people are rallying around me, and so fly

(34:33):
to tex Stars. The baby just We're on this cross
country flight. The baby is crying the whole time. We're
in the middle seat. I'm like trying to breastfeed the
night before my dad's like flight. I forget the details,
but whatever it was. My dad didn't get in until
really late. I was there. Baby was crying the whole night.
I was like, still working because to interview at textars,
you do a panel interview with about forty people and

(34:54):
you have to do this whole like pitch and you
see the other startups player there. Mine was at the
Comcast Anology Center, which is like this big, fancy building.
Keep in mind, I've been working for myself for the
past two years, literally out of bed, a baby's bedroom.
And so I go to dry bar, like god bless driver.
I get my first blowout since I've had the baby.

(35:14):
I was like, I have a new person, give the
baby to my dad, go into the interview. I have
this picture that I just totally treasure of my dad
pushing the baby around the corner of the Textars center
while I go inside. To keep in mind, the baby
wasn't taking a bottle, so my dad's really his only
option to watch him was to like push him in
a stroller, like for however long it took. So go in,

(35:36):
have the interview, end up getting into Textars, and then
I realized I have to tell like they don't tell
you right way they get into Textars. But like I
felt like the interview went well. My dad and I
had a chili chili this is called Philly cheese steak,
and then I flew back. But the Textars program is
in Philly and I'm in California, and so I get
into Textars and that's when I realized I have to

(35:57):
have a really serious conversation with Colin about how we're
going to make this work. I am, obviously so not
an expert on marriage, but in my marriage, one thing
that we have always sort of thought is the person
that really feels the strongest should get their way, so,
you know, forgetting takeout, and I kind of listen one

(36:18):
for pizza, but Colin really wants taco Tuesday. He wanted more.
He should get it that night. And this is one
of the situations where Colin wasn't thrilled about the idea
of both of the kids and me moving to Philly
for four months. He had to stay in Los Angeles
because that's where his job was. This is pre COVID,
you did not get permission to work remotely. He would

(36:39):
have to fly like maybe every we thought, maybe like
every third weekend to visit us and be away from
his kids and me for four months for an idea. MESSI,
the company of MESSI now with employees and real customers
and all, is not what we were back then. We
were a ton of users not paying in a space
where Spotify had just bought our biggest competitor. Like it

(37:03):
was really it was. It was like not. It wasn't
like a tenuous and uncertain so tiny centered And we
didn't have childcare in Philly, and we had never had
regular childcare, so I didn't even really know about was
I supposed to be looking for daycare? Was I supposed
to be looking for nannies, but I just feel call on, like, hey,
I'm going to do this, and I just did it

(37:23):
and he was helpful. I think if you're not yet
with a partner, I do think it's helpful to marry
someone that's just easy going. I just think it makes
your life easier. So anyways, the kids and I fly
to Philly. I found a nanny agency. They assigned us
a nanny. I met her on Sunday and then Monday
she started watching my kids full time. We rented an

(37:44):
apartment across the street from the Comcast Technology Center, so
I would did you do firm lunch every day and
feed the baby and then go back and text hers
like changed the trajectory of my business. Comcasts ended up
investing in the business. They became a customer. We ended
up pivoting to B to B. I felt like a
real entrepreneur's when I felt like I wasn't just like

(38:06):
toiling by myself, Like I had this community around myself
and it was one of the best things I ever
did for myself and in our family. Everybody gets to
follow their dreams and sometimes that is even the mom
So that was our journey. What a cool story at
a crazy time, and obviously it ended up like paying
off amazingly. So your gut instinct must have really kind

(38:28):
of told you to move on that and you were
totally right. So I love that you shared that. And
speaking of kind of dreams and instincts, my last question
before we get to the level of the week is
goal setting. You mentioned a couple of goals and how
you I'm curious, like, do you do it quarterly or
do you follow the best of both worlds or best
laid plans kind of methods or are you more just

(38:49):
a yearly or how did you create these big dreams
and goals? Okay, so this is a good question. I
cannot believe I just forgot to tell the craziest part
of this textoor story. Okay, so we get to text.
The second week of the program, I'm sitting in a
meeting like with my leg tucked under my butt. My
leg falls asleep and I tried to walk on it
and I broke my leg. So I was on crutches

(39:12):
for this program with these kids. I'll never forget calling
calling from the er. I had a conference call with
my mom and Colin and I'm like, Okay, here's the deal.
They just did an X ray. It's like not looking good.
That was honestly all joking aside. The lowest I've ever
felt as an adult was I got home from the
er like one d am. I had to pay the

(39:33):
babysitter a ton of overtime to stay that lake because
I broken at the end of the day, which like
is expensively on the babysitting is expensive. I was watching
my pennies, so I had to pay all this overtime,
and my leg was broken. I was on these crutches.
I had this we were living in an apartment building.
I had this huge fear already that was gonna be
a fire. I was gonna be able to get the
kids out, And now I'm like, I'm on crutches and

(39:54):
I have these kids, and it was a very stressful time,
and I just wanted to share the advice. Something that
really helped me is that particular night when I was
so stressed, I couldn't take any serious I didn't want
to take any serious drugs because I was the only caregiver.
And I also didn't have tilan all on my apartment
because we just got there and so I was walking

(40:15):
in and I had this horrible worry that there was
going to be a fire. I had this broken leg,
and how did I get the kids out? So I
stopped and talked to the guy, the doorman at the
front desk, and I was just like, hey, I just
moved in obviously. I just they think my leg is broken,
said to go to orthopedic like the next day. So
I'm like, they think I didn't have health insurance in Philly.
It was a whole namer. So I'm like, here is

(40:35):
the situation. I'm like, just fi, we live on the
eighth floor. I didn't ask him, hey, if there's a fire,
like come and grab us, but just like telling somebody
just the situation. And I think that that works in
almost every situation. If there's always people who are paid
professionals in almost any situation that will help you. If
you were flying across the country with a baby, there

(40:57):
are flight attendants that can help you if things start
going really south with the baby, if you are alone,
Like sometimes I even you know, I'm about to have
three kids really close in age, and you know, the
first time you do anything with when I did it
with two kids and now I'll do it with three kids.
It will be nerve wracking to go out alone with
me and just the three of them, but I'll think about, like, Okay,

(41:18):
what are other people around the situation that like whether
they I always thought like, oh if I pass out
when I'm alone with the kids, Oh if I feel
light headed, I'll just walk into a Starbucks and then
there are paid people there that will have to deal
with me. So just like always look for paid people
that like they can kind of help you if you're stressed.
So anyways, sorry, that was the text I story. Let

(41:38):
me tell you about my goals. Okay, the two things
are true at once. One I love goals and I
am a big goal setter, and two I have not
done so hot on my twenty twenty two goals. Just
laying it up there. My goals for this year, my
three big ones that were personal not mess you related,
would be to meditate every day, to document my experience

(41:59):
of mother better, and to do one hundred thought leadership pieces.
So I'm actually doing okay in the thought leadership. I'm
like on target for that. Meditation every day is happening
a few times a week, and the motherhood documenting has
a bit falling off, but that's okay, that's part of
the process. That's okay. You could just play them this

(42:20):
episode that will count. And the other thing I want
to say about sort of goal setting is I also
think it's okay you can always just reset the goals,
like you know, sometimes it's fun to look back. And
also there were stuff that I did in twenty twenty
one that wasn't on the goals list, but I was like,
oh wow, I started running, like I'd ran a mile.
I never thought I would run a mile in my

(42:40):
whole life, Like that wasn't on the list. But some
other things maybe just tinge, where did that goals list
go I love making goals lists, but I fully agree
you can always hit that reset button. You can always
start over, you can always cross goals off the list
because hey, maybe you learn something about yourself and that
just as productive sometimes that like I thought I wanted

(43:03):
to do this, Actually I don't. Moving on, so I
fully applaud that. And yeah, documenting, I mean, yeah, maybe
it's overrated. Like there's always a photo role in your phone, right,
there's always the iPhone share album. I had like a
little Google spreadsheet where I was like writing. My goal
was to everyday start the experience with like I felt
like global blessing about motherhood. And for like three days

(43:24):
in a row, the entry was I felt cranky till
I eat chocolate and I'm like, who is this for? Like,
I can't even tell this to my kids? So funny.
All right, Well it is time for Love of the
Week and we know okay, So full disclosure. Molly's is
our Patreon group, and she shared some of her loves

(43:45):
of the week because she wanted to see which might
be the best one for this episode, and I deemed
her the world's most prepared guests we've ever had. So
I think you should share at least the book you mentioned,
and then whatever else you would like to mention from
that list for your loves. Great, Okay, so let's do
some book recommendations. I actually have a couple that I
think might be helpful. So first book recommendation is I

(44:07):
wanted to give a book recommendation for people that I
love being an entrepreneur. Obviously, it's something I feel very
passionate about. It has been really transformational in my life,
and so I recommend if you have an idea for
a business. Read this book. It's called Business Minded. It
came out earlier this year by someone named Carly Reordan,

(44:28):
and I just wanted to throw out there that sometimes
when women write business books, the reviews come back that like, oh,
they're making business too easy, or like it's not as
complicated as it could be. And to me, that is
a massive form of gatekeeping. And if someone tells you
that business is too hard, two things are happening. One
they want you to feel like they're super smart, which

(44:51):
is why they're saying that it's hard. Or Two they're
nervous that if you get into business, you will crush them.
Business is not hard. And I really feel passionate that
if you have an idea for a business, you can
do it. Spend a couple minutes every day working on
your business. In like the next five weeks you've spent
twenty hours, you have outlined it, and then just start
doing things. You don't have to spend a lot of money,

(45:11):
you don't have to like announce it to the whole world,
you don't have to leave that day job. I think
having control over your business is wonderful for your mental health. Okay,
so that's the business recommendation. Other one for people that
are interested in the B to B space. There's this
book called The Startup Gold Mind. It's by someone named
Neil and it's the subtitle is like how large Companies
can grow and fund your business, And it's just about

(45:34):
how businesses can work with like large established companies in
order to become both customers and funders. The book was
very helpful to me. Then finally a book about middle children.
So I am not a middle child. I'm the oldest,
but I'm about to have a middle child because I'm
making my two year old and middle child. So I

(45:54):
was trying to find a book that would be about
my sweet little guy, and I found this book called
The Sek Power of middle Children. If you are a
middle child, if you love a middle child, if you
have a middle child, if you're partnered with a middle child,
this is the book for you. Man. You will read
this book and you will want to be a middle child.
Middle children are like the best combination of like the

(46:16):
first board and how they tend to be more driven
and the last board and how they tend to be
more social. Middles like run this great path And it
sounds like it's it's an envious rule to be in
the family. So that's the secret power of middle children.
Love it. Those are excellent recommendations. I don't have any
recommendations to compete with that, but since you had so

(46:38):
many of them, maybe I don't have to. Okay, I
will mention one that was brought up, and I don't
know if I've used this before, but you know what,
who cares. So when we were having this discussion yesterday,
if everybody's loves of the week, people came up with
subscription services that they use and love, and I will.
I have three, so I'm going to give that theme.

(47:00):
One is I get masks on subscription. Like I'm hoping
I don't have to do that forever. I would really
like to stop getting them, but right now it's very easy,
and like we always have disposable masks laying around, which
is kind of I've given up on the cloth to
some extent because I don't know, it's just easier. So
that's one. Mine is from Armbrust American, which is like
an American made mask company, and they fit my face,

(47:21):
So that's one. Number two is an old podcast sponsor
that hasn't been a sponsor for like three years, so
this is non sponsor, but I still get the Lola
tampon subscription and never buying tampons is the best, and
they're really good tampons, So there you go. And then
the third one is I get the allurea Beauty box
and I got that recommendation from a Bogel and it

(47:42):
just comes as sample sized products and a couple of
full size products every month, and you get to try
a lot of things. And my oldest kid is already
interested in them, and so sometimes I will give casts
off to her and it makes her day. So it's
really fun. That is awesome, you know what. I used
to be a little less subscriber too before I got pregnant.
I obviously pass it, but it's really nice to have
them come. I feel like they're very high quality. Yeah,

(48:04):
that's a good Lola recommendation and it's like never something
you want to go out and have to buy last minute,
like the Yes, maybe we can sponsor them again anyway.
Thank you so much for being on the show, Mollie.
You were wonderful. Tell everybody where they can find you.
Thank you so much for having me on. You can
always find me at MS molly Back Miss Molly Back

(48:28):
on any social platform if you like data lives, I
actually do a lot of data lives on my Instagram platform.
And if you're interested in networking, I also wrote a
book called reach Out that you can find wherever books
are sold. And if you're interested in starting an internal
podcast at your company, you can go to Messy Messy
dot fm. It's called messi because the future of audio

(48:50):
is authentic and transparent, and internal comms don't have to
be born they can be really about the leaders. Oh
and of course you can always email me Mollie at
messim My whole book is about emailing strangers, so has Tea.
I love it. Thank you so much, Mollie. Well, that
was amazing. Mollie has tons of energy and enthusiasm for

(49:12):
life and work, and we are so glad she was
willing to talk with us about that. Our question today
comes from somebody who also has many small children. So
this is from someone who is looking to get school
aged and baby children ready and out the door in
the morning without having to get up insanely early. So
the listener says that her daughters attend a private school

(49:34):
and her baby boy will also be enrolled in their
childcare program. So the good news is it will be
one stop drop off for her husband, who is doing
the morning run, and she does the afternoon pickup. She said,
the last time we had an infant, the oldest was
a toddler, so it didn't matter so much what time
we dropped them off. But she can't have her girls,
now that they are in school, be tardy. The girls
can dress themselves being school aged, but still need a

(49:57):
lot of prompting to put shoes on, brush teeth, get backpacks,
put on coats. This listener is already doing things like
packing lunches the night before and everything else she can
possibly do to make mornings go more smoothly, but it
is still a flurry of gentle and then not so
gentle nudging to get them out the door. Her husband's
an engineer, she's an attorney. We're both gonna be busy
when she returns to work. She's on maternity leave and

(50:20):
getting ready for the childcare runs coming up soon. So
what do we recommend? Sarah? Okay, So, just to set
the scene of how long it takes for us, we
wake the kids up at around six forty five to
six fifty although today it was seven because that was
being very lazy and we leave at seven thirty five
and today went fine, So I guess thirty five minutes

(50:40):
is enough from wake up to out the door. One
thing that helps us is the older kids are expected
to pretty much do themselves, and the only thing that
has helped to keep them on track, other than a
lot of nagging, has been music as prompts. And in fact,
this morning I was like, Karen, start putting it. He's like, no, Mom,
the ten minute song didn't come on yet, and then
like it came on two seconds later and he went

(51:01):
to work. He knew, like that's the countdown and you
have to be ready. We've also had like discussions where
it's like if you're not ready and the song stops,
which that's the queue to leave, like you will lose
video game time. So there's some steaks like tied to things,
and they take it fairly seriously. So yeah, having the
big kids be as self sufficient as possible, and we
do have the clothes kind of set up. We have

(51:22):
them downstairs. Currently, our new house is going to be
all one floor, so I don't know, we might change
things up, but for now, the cloths are downstairs to
make things really easy to change, and our nanny is
very nice and she sets out there like uniform outfit
the day before, so there's just no thought that goes
into them putting on their clothes. And one other thing
I will note is that maybe there needs to be
slightly earlier bedtime that would facilitate an earlier wake up

(51:44):
for the baby, because it sounds like the baby is
the one that you are worried about. But when my
kids were little, they tended to go to bed really early,
so they were up pretty early, and then you don't
have as much of a rush with them because maybe
you have a whole hour to get them ready or
whatever it is. So think about out maybe the baby
in particular might need an earlier bedtime so that getting

(52:05):
them up at six or six thirty or whatever the
time it needs to be is in a struggle, but
more of a natural phenomenon for them. Yeah, said, I
had some questions about the scenario because obviously, anytime you
start new routines and she's going back to work after
maternity to leave, it's it's time to think about who's
doing what, and you know why you're doing what. You're doing.

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So just a couple questions to get clarity on. So, first,
if she is doing the afternoon pickup, what is involved
in that? Is she then like done with work at
that point and she's doing the after dinner I mean
the after school shift with the kids and starting dinner
and all that while her husband's still at work. Because
if she is the afternoon parent, then it seems like
he should be the morning parent, meaning that this is

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mostly his problem, not hers, right if that is their split,
And so I'm not saying with an infant that he
could get everyone ready, especially if she is nursing like
she is going to be on the infant, but it
could be that she is only doing the infant and
like she hands the baby fed and in his little
cute onesie to her husband, who then is you know,

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has gotten the girls ready and gotten them out the door.
So I don't know that she needs to be the
one doing all this, you know, not saying it's going
to be easy for him either, But he didn't write
into us, so I don't know what his deal is.
Maybe maybe he has other ideas for how to make
it happen, but you know, splitting it could be good.

(53:30):
In any case, you know that she takes the baby,
that just makes obvious sense. He takes the girls. I
would also say it's going to be a pain, Like
there's no real way around this, And so I think
having some idea, some fantasy that there is a version
of getting three children out the door that is all

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butterflies and fairies and wonderfulness is just not realistic. And
so when you but the thing about acknowledging that is
that then you don't spend so much of your energy
pursuing whatever hacks you think are going to make it
easier for you. Like you just acknowledge that it's not
going to be a fun necessarily part of the day,

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and you just deal with that, right, Like you say, Okay,
you know, yes, we have to get out the door.
We're not going to have some magical system where it's
all great, but we do have to get out the door.
And so let's just all deal with it. Because the
problem when people decide that there must be some magical,
wonderful approach that they just need to work to find
is they start making decisions that then gets you know,

(54:37):
they lose their entire night to getting ready for the
next day. So I'm not even just talking. Just like
the lunches. I mean, there's the lunches. They pack everyone's
bags for everything, it's all done. It's like, you know,
you spend an hour getting ready at night, but then
you still have to get ready in the morning too,
and you're still yelling and you're like unhappy about it
because you know, you put out the unicorn pants and

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now she doesn't want to wear the unicorn pants answer
you know, whatever else happened, and then you know you
still have a scene in the morning, and you didn't
have your hour to relax at night because you were
putting out the unicorn pants, and now you are really unhappy.
So if you accept that it is going to be
slightly chaotic and unpleasant, maybe not unpleasant, but just not

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smooth and well oiled machine every day, then that allows
you to enjoy some relaxed time at night, not thinking
you should be doing everything on earth to prepare for
the blizzard that is coming the next morning. And then
the last thing I would suggest is possibly, now that
you have three children, you need to think about your
childcare scenario. And one of the reasons we started employing

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a nanny once we had multiple children is because it
is a lot of work to get everyone out the door,
and having another person whose job it is to help
make that happen can make your mornings feel far more smoother.
As you were preparing to go to wark. So you know, yes,
your daughters are in school, but maybe it would be

(56:05):
beneficial for you to have, you know, care for the
baby so that's always there, you know, so you have
a nanny come in the morning, get the girls ready,
you know, take care of the baby during the day,
pick the girls up at school. Do you know the
hour or two after school with the three of them,
you can come in you know as somebody who started
dinner already and you know put the time in at work.
You need to and feel relaxed about it and have

(56:28):
that support at home instead of having you know, you
and your husband both have this crazed getting yourself and
the kids ready and cutting your work day short in
order to do the pick up. Maybe it would be
time to think about that fully fully agree with that
if you're able to do it, I mean, it's life
changing and probably worth it if you're able to worth it.

(56:49):
If you're able to, yeah, well this has been best
of both Worlds Sarah has been interviewing Molly Beck about
tech entrepreneurship. We will be back next week with more
on making work and life fit together. Thanks for listening.
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