CES 2026: Part Five (Wednesday)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
I've crossed oceans of time to bring you this podcast.
This is Better Offlines coverage of the Consumer Electronics Show,
and I'm your host ed Zetron. We're back here in
the Palazza and beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada, bringing you yet

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another episode covering CES with an incredible core of even
more incredible look guests. And yes I wrote it like that.
We've got an open bar, tacos and places to sit
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on the microphone or not. Those joining me here at
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we've of course got the impeccable Jared Newman of the
Advisorate newsletter. Hey, the returning guest for several years now, well,

(00:52):
I mean it's only been one. It just feels like Manny.
And of course the incredible actress and stand up comedian
Chloe Radcliffe.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, fresh off the elliptical in your hotels.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Thiswee I've been doing podcasting, So Chrisa, We're gonna start
with you because you saw something I could not see
moving every time I went by the LG. Cloyd Laundry
folding robot. How was that You said it here that
it folded laundry and served food very slowly. Give me
an idea of how slowly.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, there's a TikTok in that story that you can see,
and one of the top comments was it'll take three
weeks to do your laundry at this pace, right, And
I don't know if it was slow because for the
demo purposes, they're trying to draw it out, make it
more traumatic. But it started off with it was out
of washing machine, and it's trying to pull something out
of a hamper put load it into the washing machine.

(01:44):
It's and it just is doing it so slow, but
it takes its time kind of picking it up.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Does it have any trouble?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Does it have trouble picking it up? Really, it's just
it's not really clear why it takes so long. It's
just like I think the arms are just kind of
calculating maybe, like each little movement slowly puts it in,
slowly closes the washing machine door, slowly rolls over to
a table, there's like a pile of wash glass, slowly
picks one up, slowly starts folding it like just excruciating

(02:15):
and then it picks up the folded thing and then
it messes.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
Did it fix the mess up?

Speaker 1 (02:21):
No, but there was like an LG person. I just
had an arm reach out and they.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
When you say, mess it up house.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Like it was folded like if you imagine something that's
very symmetrically right folded, and then when it it's robot
hand picks it up like the top corner just comes,
it comes unaligned.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
How much is this row boat? Did they say anything
like that?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh, I don't think they're going to sell it.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, that's always what happens with laundry folding.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, yeah, then no, that's like the there's a rich
history of CS and laundry laundry mate here. Oh they
all went, we love laundry, mate laundry may I think
I've been coming to see us a twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
They dead. Finally they're dead. All the all the twenty
ten's ones are dead. That's yeah, that's look what they
took from us. So, yeah, you also said it served food.
I'm guessing it also did that weirdly.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, you know, walked out, roll sorry, rolled over. It
did not have legs. It has like a weeled kind
of robot vacuum. It has arms and like a head unit.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Take a look at that. Look at that piece of ship.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
A head unit.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, that's what they called it.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
The they're kind of selling this as it works with
all of Elgie's appliances. When it rolls over to the fridge,
the fridge opens, it pulls out your milk, rolls over
to the table, sets it down.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's so bad and like I'm guessing it would only
be compatible with the LG stuff. Is this just a concept?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yes, it is a concept, So, I mean the whole
presentation it kind of felt like watching something at Disneyland. Yeah,
there was like very high production value. They had this
very charismatic presenter clearly memorizes very tight fifteen minute script
that included a video that was playing, and they invented
this story about this family and how this how Cloyd
is going to help the dad find his keys and

(04:03):
help really slowly, yeah my kids make the breakfast. And
you're watching it and you're kind of like, okay, like
that's it seems cool that the robot can do this.
But then if you read the book, can it, well,
if you read the press release, what they say is well,
you know, we're really interested in moving more into robotics technology,
but they don't say anything about actually making Cloyd selling it.

(04:24):
The only thing that they mentioned is roboticized appliances like
fridge doors that open automatically or oven doors. So I
feel like they're selling us the robot but what they're
actually going to sell is just like a fridge that
can open by itself.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Like a fridge with a trunk off of a new suv.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, button in it, but no, no, you have
to get like the seven thousand dollars lg one that
you can kick to open.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, it's that these things. I just want the coldest
possible diet coke because that too much to ask. Also,
is its name Cloyd, Yeah, cloid, but the eye is
small for some reason. Just it's so strange to do
this thing. And it got all the headlines and was
going robot this is the year of robotics a CS
and the most famous one is not being released. No,

(05:09):
And if you it's great, you can have breakfast ready
if you started at one am, like just like this incredibly,
Like Henry Casey kind of put it as like the
sloth from Zootopia just fucking yeah. Yeah, it's so what
a strange thing to do, because if that worked much faster,
it would be kind of cool. Man, that's the es.

(05:30):
But it's like it's just not being released. They just
why show it.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I mean, I think you said it. They got all
the headlines. It looks cool. I think they're trying to
show off that, you know, you said, everyone saying that
this is the year of a lot of robots are
trying to We're finally seeing that some of them are
capable of kind of doing these tasks. But these companies
aren't yet ready or able or willing to actually make
this into real products. Like I think it's probably just

(05:56):
not feasible. This thing is huge.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, how big was it?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I would say I didn't get close to it because
it was sort of behind like a rope line and
you could line up for like a selfie. But I
booked it out of the booth for that. I think
it's taller than I am.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'm realizing I actually think I saw. I don't think
I saw the laundry demo or I saw I saw
some portion of the demo, because what I noticed about it,
and now this is the different perspectives that we come
at it from. I was like, Wow, all of these
robotics companies and and you know, electronics companies just wind
up hiring these very hot actors who.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Are very charming to run the demo.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Because the guy I don't know if the guy who
was I don't know if there was a person helping
with the laundry and food demo, but there was a
guy who was like doing this demo. As I walked
by very quick, and he's this fucking gorgeous man being like, Hey, Cloyd,
do you anything else that you can do and help
me make my life easier?

Speaker 4 (06:53):
And it's like, yeah, of course, I guess.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I could Cloyd shrink my shit.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah yeah, I mean truly, it's like, Cloyd, do you
want to come over here and touch my pets? It's
like and you really sort of do watch it and
you're like, I guess I want to fuck the humans,
So maybe I will buy the robot.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
It seems to sort.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Of what you cannot do demo, You cannot do either.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
No, can't do either. But yeah it is it's a
big robot.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, And that's why I said, it's kind of like
being at Disneyland where like they have this like very nice,
very carefully orchestrated, uh demo that they set up, and
it's like watching a little movie of what they are
trying to say is going to be the future, I guess.
And when you're watching it, you're like, oh, that's it's
pretty neat. Like all of that look works together. The
robot rolled over there, Look, it found it's the guy.

(07:38):
That guy's keys. But then you like think about it
for a second and you realize that, no, they're not
actually going to have that.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
So like a very clean house, which is traditionally not
where you lose your keys. Yeah, it's not like you
lose it in an empty room and you're like, oh,
it's in the corner, not underneath something.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
And also if the way that the robot is going
to be able to find the keys is by having
something like an AirTag on the keys that the robot
gave to we have that.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
And also the robot doesn't have legs, so if your
keys are upstairs.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
A very ball pop on a segway coated where you
can just get up onto a curve and obmate.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
It like a dollar. Just like so you also saw
this switchbot switchbots, which they have a laundry folding robots,
and how is that if you see saw that what happened? Well,
I didn't see it fold laundry.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
So they because they they had it out and they
had a like a bench with a few like rumpled
pieces of clothes on. I was like, great, I'm going
to see it fold laundry. This is what I came
here for. And it stood there for like five minutes
doing nothing, and then and then it very slowly rolled
over to one piece of laundry and I was like, great,
it's going to fold the laundry. It very slowly picked

(08:50):
up the piece of laundry and then very slowly moved
over to the to the washing machine and put the
garment in the washing machine very slowly, and then very
slight close the door, and then waited another five minutes,
and then went over to another garment and did the
exact same fill one at a time. Each individual piece
of laundry it went to put in the shop and

(09:12):
didn't fold any.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Of You know, this is like a heavily prepped demo.
They've had to go through a lot like the Boston
Dynamics videos where they like show the robot working one
hundred takes one hundred takes with the robot just like
rolls on its back somehow like explodes. I love this.
I love that they're trying to pretend it's just like fraud,
Like there's there's something very fraudulent about this. Like the
robots are here, Yes, they're here, but are they able

(09:38):
to do anything? Yes? Kind of. If I needed someone
to very slowly put laundry in my washing machine and
eventually do it like I would.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
I was gonna say I stand first five minutes, completely
still resisting folding laundry, slowly move lunch show.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Does the robot look at its phone and scroll Instagram
for like seventeen minutes before it puts in one T shirt?
And does it? Can you program it to leave the
washing in the washing machine and forget? It has to
do like a visibly heavy sigh before it's.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is the most drama that folding laundry has ever
been the recipient.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Other than like a deteriorating relationship.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There it's like a symbol of drama.
This you're you're like, this is the one thing I
came here.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
To see, and it was torn because I was like,
how long can I wait to see if it actually was?
Was it going to run the laundry? And then I
had to wait for it to come out of itself.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Just look like this video. It's also like got a
very strange long body with like with the arms. No,
it's cute, but it's also like if I saw this
in my home, it would chill me every day. I
never get used to seeing this, Like slender Man robot.
It looks a little dead behind the eyes. Yeah, it
has like these weird like the the chows from Sonic Adventure.

(10:54):
We are all eighteen people who got that.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, it's just to their credit. They did tell me
that they are planning to sell it WO towards the
end of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Wait Cloyd or that one.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
That one's cool, but the thunderd Loyd will never leave
the LG prison they put it in. Did you see
any working robots either of you? One? I saw the
fighting robot right, and I saw that guy's dogship form
when he was fighting it just like, no, didn't plant
his feet at all. Pathetic. Yeah, what was the purpose
of that? Are you meant to fight it? Is it
like a boxing robot. It was.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
It also danced, and I think it was just like
one of those general like look at all these things
that this robot can do.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Feels like what they sell on Black Friday, just like,
is that the one that I see in like various
Instagram videos where it's just like running into a wall.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
There was a sign that said five thousand dollars, so
I guess you could just buy it.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
And honestly, that feels like you can haggle.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, that's one of those CS like I'll give you
thirty five dollars, like you can take a tax loss.
I will take this whatever this is, I'm beating the
fuck out of it, regardless. The weirdest category.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Of stuff at CS is the things that you can
buy at CS.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Like the massage chairs, like the wonderful massage chair I
actually did see on the way through CS to get
back here. I found a chair massage chair company called
doctor Boss and it just says, so do you have
any problems with your spine? And spine is in blue
bold letters, and then there were like three or four
spaces with a question mark. I love them. I love

(12:27):
the weird massage chair companies. So I was mentioning the
earlier episode they scam you. They're like, yeah, I got
special CS deal. It's like, you don't you have like
seven margins on this you just like everyone is defrauded. Yeah,
any working robots of any kind, because even last year
I thought I saw working ones.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
There's a TikTok dancing robot.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
There's one that does rock paper scissors against you, and
it wins every.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Time because it can detect right as you're about to do.

Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, it was actually like it was like a cheating
robot because it was like a second behind your Sure. Yeah,
we just looked at what you're doing and then was like,
all right, I'm gonna do the other thing.

Speaker 6 (13:03):
Oh, what the fuck is the point?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I'm sorry. I've been trying this whole week to find
good stuff, and every time I like, it's the year
of the robots. Let's look at the robots.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
You can't how many other years has it been the
year of robotics?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I actually don't know. It's a great question.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, I don't think like that feels like a headline
that has happened before, right, I feel like I probably really.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I feel like they play with the idea occasionally, but
it's there's just something very bizarre about this. I guess
it's like, well, we can't claim Mel and M's do anything,
so what we lie about something else? Okay, Hey, we
have robot vacuums, all right, and the robot vacuums are
fine other than picking up dust in my apartment apparently.
And yeah, I just I'm very confused. And we discussed

(13:45):
this earlier as well, like the robot they had arms
last year, and now the robots have legs like the
robot vacuums. Hmmm, yeah, and yeah, I don't know. It's
just it's so weird. It's really weird. Like I feel
like I'm going a little crazy because everyone I've read
tons of articles about like robots robots, but it sounds
like the practical experience is they don't work, they don't
do the things or you and or you can't buy them.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
It is a very hard problem to solve, like anything
involving like limbs and all that. That's why the Laundry wrote,
Like I wrote about another laundry folding robot last year,
it was one that like their their idea was like
it was like lamp lamps, and then the lamps are
actually robot arms that turn into and they released this

(14:26):
like very flashy concept video and a bunch of people
pre ordered it based on just this rendered video that
is not actually the robot, and they would not show
like a prototype of it actually working right, and it is.
It's just like there's all these edge cases of any
kind of garment you have to pick up and deal with,
like getting a having all the training to deal with

(14:48):
all that takes forever, and nobody's figured that out yet.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
If would any of this be solvable if we weren't
so committed to having the robots look humanoid? No, Like,
like if there was like a big tube. All right,
here comes to my idea.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You've cracked the code. It's a big tube.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, I'm having a right now as a stand up
comedian that no one else here at CS has had.
But like if there was like a big tube and
you dump your clothes in and then somehow there was
like a vacuum space.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Okay, Nope, that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
There is somehow a way to like stretch the clothes flat,
like create tension in the fabric no matter what the
shape is.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Engineers ended in the tube.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You guys writing this down. Yes, it's meed in the tube. Okay,
you're with I like this, this is good. I've got
buy ins om And then somehow there could be like
a wire that like bisects that and then it at
least folds in half and then like does the same,
you know, but like it's not it's not a humanoid.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
It's a machine. It's not a it's not a just
my buddy.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
You even have to identify though, like where the edges
of the clothes are, and that itself is not easy
to do.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's just lasers you describe me. It's like, what do
we need a robot to do? Make food for me?
Not really? Launch, not really TikTok. You want to be
Do you want to see something cheat at rock paper scissors?
Because I'm constantly annoyed that I can't find a better
person that as a rock paper scissors champion, I have

(16:10):
never been able to be defeated by anyone. It's just
so fucking weird. But you know what, changing subjects, did
you find anything you actually liked? Either of you? I
can go please pebble Okay, okay, I've got pebble. Get
mentioned a few times. What was pebble up to this. Well,
so they you know, they're they're doing new watches.

Speaker 5 (16:32):
They're back and it's you know, it's one of those
things that is just like a passion project, which you know,
I feel like it's kind of like au then it's
the same thing with like clicks.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
You know. It's like these people.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
That, yeah, they know it's not for everybody. They just
want this thing to exist and they put it into existence.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And we've got Michael coming on Friday, we'll talk about it.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
When I respect that kind of thing. I think the
Pebble watches are are great. I think so it's just
it's the watches.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Ring is well.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Yeah, so they're starting with the watches and now they
have the thing called the Index I believe it's called. Yeah,
you wear it on your index finger and it's basically
just a button that you can push to take a note.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Uh, and then like a voice. Yeah you voice trains
of the ring.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah. Do you have to speak into the ring? I
think you can know.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
I think you can just there's a little microphone in it.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Does it make a noise or can you record people secretly?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's not persistent. It's like a push to talk kind
of thing.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
But you can break state law.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I think, yeah, I think you can bring it's one
interesting in New York.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
It's a two party consent.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
New York was one.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
No, I believe in you because I break it all
the time.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Just a admit that on a podcast and then be
do an evil laugh after.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
She meant parody she meant but so it's just a rook.
It doesn't do any health No, there's no health stuff.
There's no any of that.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
And then I think there's like a secondary function where
maybe you can like program some stuff if you wanted
to do something else how much then uh oh, you're
putting on a spot here in front something like one
hundred dollars seventy five dimes.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Is them ugly?

Speaker 5 (18:05):
I mean it's presentable. I think there's a there's a
button on it. So I guess, however you feel about it,
the thing is, I can see the use for that.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Like I don't like voice notes at all, Like I
don't like hearing myself speak. Well, I think it will
transcribe that I've never listened to a single episode of
the show which everyone listening to this two works. Iheart's
Gonna Love and It's like I can't hear myself speak,
but if I could do a transcription, I might actually buy.
It'd be the first thing I've seen at CES or
I'm like, I would purchase that.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, I think more broadly that, you know, they're just things.
Their matras is sort of not even matra, but just
like it's this dude he's done all right for himself
in tech, and he just like wants to make cool
gadgets that he doesn't see in the market and whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I you know what, I like.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
That reporting live on the pebble index ring. It really
looks like a ring that somebody is using to record you.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Let me see. Let me see when it has a
sketchy ring its supports me.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Oh yeah, really looks like no, no, I don't have
a microphone in my ring.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's like like the hat that Homer Simpson wall with
the camera in it. Ring Like just like, yeah, I'm
just clicking this non descript slack. Yeah, what are you doing? Nothing?
It's an odd Now say all the crimes you committed,
tell me all your secrets. No, I can't move my thumb.
I can't move my thumb at all. I now actually

(19:24):
know I'm now going to start critiquing this. So you
have to is it one? You can click once and
it will record, because if you have to hold it
the whole fucking time, that might be I cannot recall.
That's fine, it's you know what I mean, even the
benefit of the doubt, they wouldn't do something so fucking stupid. Yeah,
we're gonna the.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Fun to watch and changes just like they're like, oh,
I like that.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Everything, then hearing something the like becoming an aftimist and
then immediately be like no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
That's a good instinct to have. That. Also, we've got
plenty of people who want We got Blanny, We've got
we got fucking cell side analysts there as well. Chris,
there anything you've been enjoying.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I saw some robotic sneakers that were kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Tell me more, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
So they're sneakers that attached to a kind of exoskeleton. Oh,
and they're meant for people who can't like walk long
distances or want to be able to.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Walk at Robert Evans has been using like an exoskeleton. Io.
Please tell me what.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, these ones are different. They attached to a special
shoe and they're battery powered, and then you can kind
of it learns your gate the first twenty steps or so,
and then as you're walking, it just kind of like
pushes you up a little bit. It's a very strange
sensation for somebody who doesn't happen. Really it doesn't really
have trouble walking. But like three hours later, I was

(20:40):
my feet were hurting so bad after being on them
for four or five hours, and I was thinking, like,
maybe that feel kind of good right now I've.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Got an ankle injury. That sounds great. I did see another one,
and every time I see them, like my hateriends think
kicks in and I'm like, no, actually, this is what
technology should do. Yeah, that it can help you if
you'd be walking too much or if you have serious
mobility issues.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
The downside, as it cost forty five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That actually doesn't surprise me. Yeah like that if I
hear that, and I'm like, okay, it literally helps people
who can't walk much walk forty five hundred, and I'm
like that's actually reasonable. I did see a few of them,
but I'm actually kind of excited to see that because
I don't know, like I realized it just went from
being a huge hate. But like I have tons of
like several family members with mobility issues. My mom like it.

(21:24):
I myself. My ankle when it gets bad, really gets
fucked up, and I can't walk, like literally two weeks
ago is having problems with my feet. It's quite lovely.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Well, you are consistent in what you in, what you
like and don't like. Yeah, and that is is there
a tangible, describable.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Problem that this is solving.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yes, And I think the more physical, not necessarily like corporal,
but the more physical a problem, the more you are
going to be inclined to like the tech presentation of
a solution exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And it's like I think, I also, I don't know.
I think that's what technology is meant to do. It's
meant to allow you to do things you can't do,
to streamline things, to make things easier. That's cool, And
there were quite a few of them. I want more
of this shit, like let those who can't will walk.
That's if is there anything more technological than that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
The accessibility stuff is actually kind of interesting. I'm always
looking out for that.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I was writing about it this year and so many
times It's hard to find anything like that because so
much of it is just yeah, cramming tech into products
that don't need it, or you know, the the crap
that we're used to seeing here, smart belts and just
weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
So whenever their belts.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Do you have a belty from like years ago?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Wait, do you kind of remember that? Yeah, Belty, it's
called Belty. What is belty? Oh man?

Speaker 1 (22:39):
This is from probably ten years ago. It was a
smart belt. Do you remember that year at CS when
like Internet of Things was kind of just yeah, and
like everything was just like a flower pot that's connected
to the Internet of this and it was a belt
that I think could automatically adjust, like it's like maybe
you eat more or something.

Speaker 7 (22:58):
Oh God, well, sorry, I'm my fifth piece of chicken. Well,
actually we're gonna go back to shape robots though, because
everyone has kind of mentioned Agi bought or Aggie.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Bott to have the fun. He says, and this is
the TikTok robot. You saw what was that?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, so there's two. They have two different humanoids. One
is a smaller one that was the Dancy one has
like these bright yellow shoes. They have a larger one
that's about about five feel like my hey, maybe, and
they are humanoid robots. They can walk around, the little
one can dance. They have some kind of like AI

(23:38):
functionality in them. So they're meant like the large one.
What they explained to me is that it's meant for
kind of like either for businesses hospitality use cases, like
maybe you put one in a museum and it can
like welcome guests and kind of like show them where
to go.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Or trying do that though.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, So what's interesting is this is a Chinese company
that's making them Okay, and they already have sold several
thousands in China. We went we went to another robotics
company booth, and the whole spiel of this booth was
that the booth is run entirely by robots, and there's
like a human guy there who's kind of like can
answer a question for if you want, But the booth

(24:15):
is just these two robots. And they were the Agibot robots.
And so the larger one was there and it was
had a little microphone. You could talk to it and
you could have this like interaction with it. So I
came up and I was like okay, roast me okay,
and it actually, like you know, it started off kind
of tame, it.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
Was, but then it got pretty mean.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well then I said, I was like, actually, I was like,
can you be a meaner? Like can you do more?
And then not too bad? It made fun of what
I was wearing and.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Couldn't see what you were wearing?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah I could.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
And then at the end I was like, okay, well
you know, all good, let's have a fist bump and
it was like great, and it actually did.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
What did it say about what you were wearing? I
want to judge this from a joke atic.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Honestly, I don't remember exactly. It was just kind of
was like, oh, and you're wearing that, Like I like,
you're making fun of me, but like you're like it
was it was kind.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Of generic, but okay, then you wanted to turn into
the boxing robots.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
So yeah, I wanted it to be Ruda. I want
to find this thing and.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
You're able to have like a back and forth. There's
a slight delay when you say something, maybe maybe two
three seconds for it to come up with a response,
but you can actually and its voice actually sounded pretty
natural in a way that most robot vice models.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Was it like, was it using a model? Was it like,
did they explain any of that it is?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
I'm not sure. I imagine that that company it was
called into Bot. That was the booth that had these
like customized versions.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
And that wasn't was that Aggie Bob.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yes, it was an Agibot robot, but the company that
was showing them off was into Bot, and I guess
they had customized They had bought these robots and somehow
customize them for there.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
But the what you're chatting with, it's not just chat
gbt no or open ai or whatever.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, I think it's a combination of things. I think
they probably use several different models and then they also
have like cameras and sensors so they know you know.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
About Tannemon Square. I'm sorry, I want to admit I
want to be like, what do you think of Winnie
the Pooh? And it just goes just because like just
looks at me personally us you look fam Fuck. No,
I'm actually gonna say it sounds like it worked, which
is unusual. That's genuinely U.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
The nicest thing you say about a robot.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
It works kind of, But what was the what's the
what was the purpose?

Speaker 1 (26:24):
For into bot. Yeah, I'm actually not sure because we
just went because we wanted to.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Like the show. God, their whole face is.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
That our boat is just run by robots, so we're like, well,
we got to go check that out. And then we
just we talked to it and made a TikTok and
I didn't find out what they're trying to do with them.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
But you should have asked it, like can you grab
me some press materials in hand them to me?

Speaker 2 (26:46):
And it would like fail and it starts trying to
fold them. Oh my god, I love it. We get
to things like yeah, it works. What's why though, and
they're like, oh fuck, I we just did this for
the yucks. It could introduce you to a museum, so off.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Okay on the broader theme of why though, Yeah, I
was walking around today at the convention Center and wondering
what is the not what is the point of CS,
but pretty close, like how effective is CS and in

(27:23):
what way for the majority of people who are here?
Well that's sort of I'm asking as a complete naive user,
you know, Like, but it's like, are people I understand that?
Like there were buyers from Sam's Club walking around being like.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
We're looking for a new I don't know what the
fuck they're looking.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
For, but like I understand that if you like, there's
you know, some small proportion of buyers who are looking
for some small proportion of specific tech. But like a
lot of people, it seems like they're just sort of
in booths showing off stuff that like largely already exists,
maybe with like a slightly new extra spice, but like
for the most part, it's not blowing anybody's minds. And

(28:04):
then a lot of people are walking by picking it up,
going oh, setting it down and continuing walking, And it's like,
what effect beyond just like a trip to Vegas that
is justifiable via work, what effect is this having in
most people?

Speaker 5 (28:21):
I mean, as somebody who's I'm not super pessimistic about
CES despite.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
How ridiculous you've been here longer. I don't know. I guess,
I guess for me, And maybe this is the point too.
You love leaflets.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
I love leaflets, No, I just you know, there's probably
some value in just getting a bunch of people into
one place that we don't have anymore.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
You know, we're gonna we're going to rotate rows, We're
going to go to an ad break. Coming up now
an advertisement for Chumley, the robot that's based on Chumley
from Pawn Stars. A word I cannot say. People think
I am talking about pornography. And we're back in the

(29:15):
room and once again we're joined by Charisabella ven Gadget Hello,
Jared Newman of the advisory and newsletter Yo and nearly
said newsletter wrong. And of course Coloie Radleff, actress of
is this thing on in the standup Comedian? And we're
back and we're just talking about how and why people
do see yes, And I'm getting this prevailing just feeling
about conferences. Conferences in general, Jesus Christ. They are just

(29:40):
there to give people something to do, like they put
people in a room. Yeah, there's an extent like I'm
gonna admit I don't go to conferences in general. I
never have non pr FIR and since twenty twelve, like
I've just not gone. It's never affected every time I've
gone to a conference other than ces, I've just been
like why and it's like, oh, we got to meet
sale people from this and it's like okay, but but

(30:03):
why though? And there's so much stuff here aspect if
This year feels like a landmark year for just shit
that don't exist. And I say that remembering the Web
three metaverse year. Even that one, they seem to be like,
we have a new thinner TV that's also wet for
some reason, like like we they were trying new things
of TVs and soundbars, and I guess we've got some
of that. But it feels dominated by just vapor where

(30:27):
vapor were like maybe it was worse during the Indiego
Go boom. You remember the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Indiego
Go boom, when they was.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Just fine of the bowels of the Venetian the Eureka Hole,
where it was just like the most insane shit, like
it's a cooler that's also a razor blade to kill people.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Actually, no, that's the thing. Indigo the Indiegogo fraud generation
was fucking cool because it was just shit that was
impossible to make. And we've raised five hundred thousand dollars.
The money laundering operations that go through Indiegogo have funded
this and I will deliver it in ten years and
then the company will shut down in three.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I found kind of like honest laundry folding robots laundry
made rip and piss like they the most obvious fake one.
I respect they got like fo this it was like
a tower laundry Mate. It was like this weird tower
and it was never clear how it worked. And every
year they were like, next year, there's this hidden consumers,
and then they just died.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
The only landering that Indiegogoeah robots can do is financing.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yes, but I feel like this is like a legendary
year because they're trying to pretend robots work. They tried,
because the reason you can't do robots mass for mass consuming,
mass consumer audiences is because training for edge cases is
fucking difficult. I don't know, it's it's a shame because
I'd love a robot.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
I'd love well, I think I think a laundry folding
robot is like a billion dollar idea if it actually works.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
But I had this tube idea.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Have you heard of indigogo?

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Actually, yeah, the tubat is a little real for Indy Goka,
We've got to do like a movie that never gets made,
or like a card game made by like a disgrace substacker,
like or a board game by a guy with an
allegation section on Wikipedia, Like that's all we do want here.
It's just weird because I say this with a little

(32:21):
sadness because like I may seem like broken heart romantic.
If we had like an actual laundry folding robot, that's cool. Yeah,
that'd be cool. I'd love that. Did you did you
were on the show floor? Yes? So what did you
see and what did you like? That's a fucking long.
I walked around, I walked I walked around Eureka Park
today and I walked around. I was about to say,

(32:42):
keny a hall those you know the sky that ken
toy Your Hall if you don't know, is so E
three is the former games Journalism, the game's equivalent of
this show, and Keny your Hall was like the scariest
place to go with the media badge. You go down there,
every head would snap to your media badge, stop citizen
like marrow Wind, like you'd stolen a piece of bread

(33:03):
from a shop keep. And because they want to talk
to you. Because games is just games right about the game.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
This was all the very small like developers that had
nothing going on and so like not like you know,
like like one division.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, this is it for them, and I went to
Eureka Park and everything I saw was a chat GPT
wrapper and I went upstairs and I was like, fuck
me up, show me something, and I saw a WiFi barbecue.
I feel like I see i'ms every fucking year, and
I wanted to see so I didn't even see anything funny.
I was.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
I was trying to noodle on this idea, like I
don't think this is the right term, but like AI
slop product, you know what I'm talking You know, there's
a real slop.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Nature to it. It was just like, what is it you
want a document analysis? Yes?

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Well, also like, well, like an example I'm thinking of
is like I think it was high sense. Like they
had a oven and then the oven had like a
very small display on it, smaller than a phone, and
they were showing like you could be like I'm in
the mood for pizza, and then it would like generate
a pizza recipe for you, you know what I mean.
So it's like the recipe itself is sloped. But then

(34:11):
also like the implementation of AI is slopped, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
You're just looking at this tiny little screen. It's like
roll on the dough.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
It's just and again, and I've made this point before
on this very podcast earlier today and yesterday, but just
to reiterate, if you are going to look up a
pizza recipe, you're gonna look it up on your phone,
which is a small screen, of course, and then if
you look it up on you're smart oven, you are
also looking it up on a small screen. It is
not eliminating any step in the process or any screen

(34:41):
in the.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So it'll it will turn the oven on for you.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Oh fuck this, fuck it'll turn the oven on.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Fuck this happened to you? And just bashing.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
If damn woman, I know this instinctive, but I do
not make happen.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's like a Tim Rubinson bit, what do I do?
What do I know? And then the street goes to
turn on oven. Finally, It's like the thing they keep
coming back to that I actually liked was just a
fifteen hundred dollars TV with a boot and soundbar with
like micro led. I was just like, fuck, yeah, great, awesome.
TVs are getting thinner and they're getting soundbars in them,

(35:18):
and that's why everything has AI in it, because it's
very clear that it's becoming really cheap to make thin
and big, good looking televisions. The actual difference between like
a fancy fucking LG one and a combination of different
letters you can buy on Amazon that most people can't
fucking tell them.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Sorry, it's it's that is that's a whole other thing.
But yeah, there's like micro led and now MI micro RGB.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't know, uh, both of them.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
If you stand in front of them, it looks like
you're like looking into the eye of God, but like
they're kind of the same.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
But I kind of I love it. I genuinely, genuinely
love the fact that like a good looking TV's easy
yeah now, and you can get them everyone. They're really
like really good, Like even the kind of cheap cheap
ones are pretty good. Like, yeah, I can not. It's
the difference because I stare at screens all the time.
But I think most people would be really happy otherwise
I'm just like show I wanna like some I genuinely

(36:15):
I would love to. I would love to be taken
by the magic of cees. It doesn't the magic's got
like it.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
What do you think would other than a laundry folding robot?
What do you think would like what would take you
what would so?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think anyway, there are like magical ideas they've had,
like wireless power that it fill hiss me talking about
who come and fucking kill me? But like wireless power,
Bluetooth that works, perhaps unbreakable Bluetooth would be very popular
at c yes where Bluetooth My fucking headphones come out constantly,
like something like that might be kind of a boring demo,
but it's like I don't know a Wi Fi router

(36:51):
that doesn't stop working after six months, Like every problem
is just like shit sucks.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
TP link has a router with a AI agent now
that you can talk to.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
That's cool. I go to TP deco.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
TP link deco I had to throw away because also
fucking if I won't work, but you can like kiel
at it and therapy for.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
You from TP link. You listen to this deco, fucking sucks.
It blows you suck. I spend so much money on that.
I can't even fucking ceremony. By goddamn, did you.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
See that Kia smart home stuff?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
No tell me tell me about that.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
So that was one that we thought was pretty cool.
A couple of my colleagues saw it. It was they have
a whole new line of like smart plugs, smart light bulbs,
like okay, connected home stuff very like kind of boring,
but the stuff that you want for I Kia, like
cheap connected light bulbs and smart plugs that will actually
work and like work with real IoT standards that you

(37:40):
want and not you I don't know if anyone here
has tried to install smart bulbs in their homes and
they're they're extremely expensive, or they're like really cheap like
off brand ones from Amazon that never end up working,
or like the app breaks the company goes under, and like, yeah,
you kind of want a company that's used to making
forty million of everything, Yeah, this kind of thing, because

(38:00):
then you just know it's always like.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
An industrial Yeah it's gonna work, and it will.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
They can do it at scale in a way that
makes us be able to pay a reasonable price.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
We have we have four light bulbs in our bedroom,
and so I will be like Alexa, turn off the
lights and about about like ten percent of the time
one of the lights will stay on.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Of the four, I have Lotron in my house, and
one day the bulx just stopped connecting, so I just
have to use the fucking light switch and I'm so
spiteful that I just refuse. But wait, it sounds like
this stuns work though, Carissa.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, I haven't tried them, but I mean it's akia
so I feel like we have I have, I have
decent amount of confidence.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
That Okay, they can do this, I hope.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
So.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I mean, I have some smart light bulbs in my
home and they're like an off brand Chinese one, and
they're the kind you can change color, and we set
them to specific colors for the specific rooms, but we
can never change them back. And then like every few months,
like the app breaks and then they like the totally
wrong color and then we just can't use those lights until.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
We fix it.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
It's so far.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
It's like the product I want from cs is ship
that just works and they don't care. It's that's a
shame as well, because I actually like the smart home stuff,
like the Roseanne Clapper, except you use your voice. It's
it's fun, it's good. But again, one thing breaks. It's
like Wi Fi that works. I don't think that'll make
a good But I was looking through your eng Gadget

(39:20):
coverage and I want to talk about the the Dreamy
Robot vacuum with the legs the X Yes, what are
these legs? Tell me? How do they do? They protrude?
Do they crawl? Like?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
So the promotional image they sent me at first had
it kind of like standing upright like a spider on
these legs, but they're sort of like more like treads
like legs that kind of have these like rubber treads.
And so when I saw it move, it most more
like a tank. It kind of rolls up the stairs
and down the stairs.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
What they look like little chain saws. It's like chainsaw man.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
It's terrifying. When was not clear though, is that that
whole unit with the legs is actually just like a
little like docking station for the actual robot vacuum.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's like a vehicle.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, so the actual robot vacum like like zooms in
there and like parks itself, and then the thing goes
up the stairs and then it can send out the
robot to actually do the vacuuming. What this means though,
is that it can't actually clean the stairs themselves. Apparently
rubo rocks can climb and vacuum the stairs. This one,
which is just a concept, can just like move up.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I'm showing everyone just for the listeners at home. I'm
showing everyone a video which works really well. It's a concept,
so I'm giving them some affordance for how slow this is.
I find this kind of cool. I kind of like, like,
you know what, when it comes to robot vacuums, I'm
oddly like generous, especially because this is just like very
fun to watch. It's like kind of shoving its crotch

(40:47):
into the stairs. It slides up.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Yeah, and then when it term makes that bend and
it starts to go down, it's kind of funny because
it's sort of like half of it goes up.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I think that's cool. I think it's go Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
People, I've asked for years for a robot vacuum that
can do like multiple floors.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Without having to pick it up, and I like him.
I just find the robot rock that I have doesn't
clean dust sometimes, which is a classic exhibit of the floor. Yeah,
but you know what, I feel like robot vacuums are
like the state, Like they're the like block and tackle
of cees. You see. I've been seeing robot vacuum s.
If he is, it's like watching him keep going, like watching.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Hey little buddy. Yeah, I get doing.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Oh you got a fucking arm now. Nice.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
I feel so biased against robot vacuums because I think
I've like lived with the roomate who had one and
it never worked. Yeah, that was like one experience a
long time ago. But uh, just like less than a
month ago, I shot a whole production piece in Denver,

(41:53):
and our whole small crew was staying in one big
Airbnb in like this big, big, fancy house in Denver,
and they had robot vacuums on every floor because for
this exact reason. So I bet these people would love
robot vacuums. Second climb stairs, but they didn't turn off.
I don't know fucking why. Whatever it was, all of

(42:14):
these robot vacuums were programmed to turn on at midnight,
and they were so loud and so scary, and you
had no idea what was going on. And so we,
like my boyfriend and I were sleeping in a bed
here functionally and just we were asleep, and then from
that far away you just hear this horrible like us

(42:37):
and then downstairs, Uh what my one of our crew,
who was staying in the basement, her robot vacuum actually
pushed her door open came into her room in the
middle of the night, and she was like, I genuinely
thought I had an invader, like a home vide. I
thought I was going to be assaulted, and it's just

(42:57):
a room ba.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Horrifying.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I would never have to have a personal vendetta against
my vacuum.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
It's also just like the problem is is that, like
every robot thing, it's the edge cases, it's the ship
between the corners. That's actually the problem. When it comes
to sweeping the floor, that's prett easy. If you have
a perfectly flat surface, it's good. It's just like we
all want it to work. Have you tried any of
the wet dry ones? You've seen those.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
I'm intrigued by them, but I've never just the idea
of like having a little robot looking just spooge on
my floor feels like.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Like, I don't they already seem to do pretty bad
with the brushes. I don't want them to like, sorry, ejaculate.
It's like an aqui. God, yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
All right, Oh buddy, you got excited.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Calm down.

Speaker 5 (43:48):
I think that's kind of you know, that's the core
disconnective cs, right, Like you just want stuff that works
a little better. Yeah, and that's not something that you
can have a CS like it finally works.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's not really did more but didn't work. That's often
what it is though. That's another.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
More did dreamy vacuum with the arm. It can change
out the arm. It has a little cubby in its
station and it can change out the little claw thing
for like a vacuum nozzle and like reach the arm
up and like suck. Well it's not that long, but
it can like go into corners or little spots that.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
That's what can see. How can it where it needs
to go?

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I don't know. I asked them at their booth because
they were demonstrating the kind of claw arm just sort
of picking up balls and putting them in a basket.
And I asked them if they could show me it
going to fetch its little attachments, and they said, no.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
They don't work. That just means they don't work. That
doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
They looked very alarmed, and I asked, like, oh.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, no, one's awesome. That's I love these moments though,
where you can see nobody, like there's like two thousand
members of the media and it's being like, can you
show me it do that?

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Keep asking but who cares?

Speaker 3 (45:03):
When they tell me something? Because I just have so little.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Repercussions for being This is why I asked, did anyone
have an answer?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
It usually takes them like a couple It takes me
a couple tries, and then I would say probably two
thirds of people have got have been able to answer
the but who cares?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Question?

Speaker 3 (45:29):
But it's just so it's so clear that like nobody's prepared.
And I understand that I'm being like incredibly brusque about it,
but I'm also like, I don't know, man, you should.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Have an answer for that.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I feel like you should. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
I Like there was one like cable stand where it's
like it looks really fancy and he's telling me all
about it, and I was like, as far as I
could glean, the only thing special about the cable was
you can make it extra long.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Hm, it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I was like, oh, are you saying like you can
change out the heads of the cable and you can
whatever what they were like all these little pieces and
then he was like, no, no, it's all the same head.
You can't change it out. It's only USBC. But you
can connect them, and I was like, so it's.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Just really long connect.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
Two USBC cables to each other to make a long
USBC cables and wound And I was like, but who cares?

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Like why not just buy a lot?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Sure? I guess I no, I get it.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Like there, it's just this kind of stuff where it's like,
I just want to know the answer to.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Is so what? It's kind of alarming that everyone doesn't
have that answer.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I yeah, I understand that I am being annoying in
your face, and.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I get that you're saying that and you're being nice,
but also this feels like you should just be able
to explain really totally, really easy totally, because otherwise you
paid like twenty five thousand dollars a day to be
in like the South Hole to show off the goob
is microwave with AI or whatever. It's cold.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
There's often there is often that question when you're looking
at something, it's like, well, why couldn't I just do this?

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And then I don't know?

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Yeah neither the day yeah yeah yeah, Well, like like
I was at Lenovo's booth today and they have their
own day they to I think I talked about this
last year too, Like they got cool hardware stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Okay, I want to hear please, that sounds fun.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
They have a gaming laptop. It's a concept, of course,
but some to their credit, some of those concept things they.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Tell Henry Casey was mentioning the toning screen, they actually
made yes.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
And then they have a gaming laptop that goes from
like regular sixteen by nine into like ultra wide.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Hell yeah, yeah, I fucking love that shit. I know,
I love that shit. Great. It's like probably insanely expensive.
But so what I'm guessing is it like you pull
out the sit it's a rollable display. If you just
press a button in it, let's fucking go. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Consumer Electronics shows showed me some weird shit. Great, that
was like in the back. And then they have an
AI chatbot for Winds.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
What is the reason they claim that is?

Speaker 5 (48:04):
I could not get an answer. What did he balance that? Uh?
Usual AI stuff like.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
You have a document? You have a document.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
Yeah, It's like you have a document and then you
ask about the document and it tells you about the document,
summarizes your notification. And it was like it was like, well,
why wouldn't I just use you know, copilot or chat
ept and there wasn't really a clear.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Get him out of here, get him out of here now,
just you'll leaves. Gods, yeah, that's They.

Speaker 5 (48:35):
Also had people telling me that it was on device
language models, and then like the product manager was like,
oh no, that's that's incorrect.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
So large language models traditionally are run in the clouds,
so you have to have a persistent Internet connection. There
are on device language models that require a ship ton
of RAM to run because large language models are extremely rand.

Speaker 8 (48:56):
Depending are you are have you downloaded the Actually I don't.
Most people seeing the stupidest question, have you downloaded a
file that is the size of the large language?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Amight it?

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Like do you are you holding the whole?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
No? No, they not in this case they the product manager.

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Yes, in this case they were not. In theory, yeah,
you would have to have this like pretty powerful computer
in a lot of space and whatever, and it still
wouldn't work as well as like chatty.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Yeah would take it.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
But then and then you would and but yeah, yeah,
I was asking about it because you're dealing with like
they were taking screenshots of what you were doing so
that they could summarize and this like I don't really
want that data going up who knows where.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
So it's like, finally you can tell me what I'm
looking at? Yeah, how else would I know I'm not
looking at? That's such a ship because Lenovo makes some
reliable share and that was the legion go their handheld
gaming pieces. Pretty cool them anything like that. No new
gaming handheld stuff this year? Well, thank god? Would using

(49:56):
all the world's high bandwidth RAM to generate various wife
tunes like it's It's just such a shame. Now, Chris,
I'm going to change the weird company to choose for
something that is actually kind of interesting. Matt is doing
some stuff with this armband, right, and I was nearly
ready to make fun of it as an autistic myself.
But this one that can see facial gestures, can you,

(50:17):
or like emotions and such for the blind though, Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
So this is actually a startup that is so the
startup is independent for Meta, but they made this risk
based like wearable device that's supposed to work in conjunction
with metas smart glasses. So the ideas that you're wearing
Meta smart glasses. They have these kind of like real
time AI capabilities. So I'm talking to you the videos on.

(50:45):
That's going back to an app that's run by this startup. Right,
the app can detect They have these models to detect
kind of like facial expressions, gestures. There's a whole bunch
of stuff you can customize, right, and then this wristband
will send a signal to the risk and it vibrates
in different patterns based on like if you do a
thumbs up, it might vibrate like in a certain way

(51:06):
if you do it thumbs down, or you frown or you.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
You know, for someone who's visually impaired. Yeah, actually sounds
quite useful.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
If somebody is talking to a blind person and they
give a thumbs up that person.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Yeah, actually that's a that's a good point anybody. That's
a good point.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Anybody who thinks that they can communicate with a blind
person via hand gesture should be walked off.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You are doing the jack off gesture at me. My
armband's fucking telling me you're just doing this with your hand.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, well, I just.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Could do your subtle ones too. And I think it's
also they said that you know there's people who you know,
they're talking to their kids and they're like, oh, I
never get that feedback from my kids, like knowing how
they're Yeah, that's another expressions.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
They did get back in line.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
No, No, they did say that. Yeah, they think that perhaps
there's a use case for people who are nerodivergent who
just like could see the facial expression but just like
don't know what it means.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
But I say this as someone with autism. If I
heard someone's say that to me, they might be blind
by the end of the conversation. I will say this,
if you're a visually impaired listener to the show, I
would actually love easy at Better offline dot com please
email me because I can see, like I don't experience
your life. I'm actually genuinely curious if these things happened,
because I know last year there was this cane that

(52:16):
talked and we kind of like like like we made
fun of it, but it was like people were like, no,
this is actually really useful, and I want to know
because I don't want to give people shit for something
that's actually useful. The fact they're mentioning the near I
divergent thing really fucking pisses me off, though, because that
is like the experience of someone who does not have
autism or anything related to that, because it's just like,
that's not how it fucking works. We're not sitting there

(52:39):
like with what is the bloke from Light to Me
where it's just looking from micro expressions. Nobody saw that show. Okay, okay,
it's just mostly it's just Tim Roth going you lie
in mate, and then like every scene is cut between,
like like a picture of like Colin Powell and Bill Clinton,
Like frowning at someone is like frowning if they should

(53:00):
have the light to be blowke at CEUs. You know
what I'm it's weird. Meta seems to have like oddly
interesting accessibility stuff though, like who works over there? It's
like they seem to be trying something there. And then
there's all the other stuff that Meta does, like ten
percent of their revenue being from fraud twenty four, which
is real.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Does that mean that, like somebody high up in some
pyramid at Meta is actually well intentioned?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yes? I mean, like I must be clear, I think
Meta is a deeply evil organization run by a scumbag.
And when when Mark Zuckerberg, I assume from natural causes,
passes from this world or for a fucking party for
that piece of shit. That being said, there are people
a meta I'm familiar with inaccessibility, in particular, you actually
give a ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just they're not

(53:47):
running the company, and I think it might be sadly
like an after effect of the larger product. But at
the same time, if there's some fucking good from me,
it's just it's hard to get excited about something from that. Yeah, exactly.
It's like, actually, because like my the only meta product
I unashamedly loved was the Portal. Was great, but it's
because it could it like it was a very It's

(54:08):
weirdly hard to find a thing to call someone from
a TV and like on Christmas, my kid and I
might call my parents and it's like it's easy for
my dad and my mom to work and they just
click and it works, and they of course discontinued this
product because meta is Yeah, meta is not about connecting
you to people. It's about showing you either like dogs
barking or like dog whistles. Mostly AI dog's barking at

(54:32):
this point.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Yeah, like the worst AI s I generated like sprouts
another head and then that that head starts barking.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
So I'm like being like reverse gang stalk by meta. Though,
because I don't get any AI slow. Oh really, I've
never been shown any.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I don't know that I get shown AI stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I've seen other people's feets and they are just like, yes,
I have a friend who's it's exclusively AI. I get
like I get gen Z people being like showing a
clearly homeless person pictures of like brain raw and this
person in distress, just being like why am I being
harassed by a man with broccoli hair and eight cameras

(55:10):
And it's like, oh God. But luckily I've trained my things,
so all they get is like silk and wind howls
now like shout out to Chloe and Abby and all
those wonderful dogs. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. Just
moving on. But yeah, like I've had to train my feed.
But it's a shame because it's like I guess, at
some scale with a company like that, you do eventually
do a good thing, just most of the other things

(55:31):
are bad. Do they still support the portal? Does it work?
It works? For now?

Speaker 4 (55:36):
What is the portal?

Speaker 2 (55:37):
It's like, literally, it's just an HDMI camera. You connect
to your TV and you can connect to someone else.
It will it works?

Speaker 9 (55:43):
Right, You're looking at it. Yeah, and it follows for
your TV. Yeah, and it follows you like very quite
well as well. It's like it was a cool product,
which is why they stopped it because we can't have that.
We can't be having you connect to people on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
No, no, because you know what that does takes you
off of Facebook.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, you can't be shown the feed. But it's like
it's interesting to see them try. Shit, It's just there's
all the other stuff. Also, it's kind of rare to
see hyperscala here because like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, they don't
really Amazon will have like a side thingy. I remember
last year when I had a picture of the smiling
man on my badge and I went into the Amazon
thing a woman stopped me and went wows. I mean,

(56:21):
there are no good reactions to that picture and everyone
knows it. But yeah, it's it's they usually don't have
a presence, so mets are trying to do stuff is good,
Like right now, I'm like try. I guess everyone is
looking quite pained.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I mean, the smart glasses are interesting. They you know,
I've written a lot about this. I have very mixed
feelings dumb about that because they're genuinely good products. You
roast me every time I post on my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
You don't have roast roast you. I'm nice to you.
When did I ask grost you? Come on? Now?

Speaker 1 (56:55):
You don't rust me, but I did one time post
a poll of like do these look good on me?
And you were like and you were the first and
instill like.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
It's the royals and glasses but anyway you have complax.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
It's true because they are actually like a good product
if you use them, they work really well. The a
some of the AI stuff you're gonna hate this, it's cool.
The translation features I've used on vacation consistently.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
That's the only feature where like everyone's gonna like that.
And dictation and stuff is good.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, they're good. The display glasses they look unfortunate, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
But I've used, but they're using they're kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, they're cool. They're you know, I tried today. They
they just launched a handwriting the handwriting feature.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (57:36):
So you know they use this neural band that you
can control gestures.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
So if you sell of the glasses, you put them
on and you control it with the wristband. Just for
party site.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, you kind of do little swipes and that's how
you control the interface.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
It works pretty well, and it does.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
And so up to now, if you get like a
What'sapp message and you want to reply, basically you have
to like use your voice to dictate or reply. So
now what they're going to do is they have a
future it's feature called handwriting, where you can basically just
trace letters with your hand, like on any like on
your leg, on a table, you know, just say cool,
like just do the letters and then that will appear

(58:12):
on screen. And I try to say it was actually
like it worked really well. It did not work with cursive,
although I'm the only old person who probably would even
try that.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Uh huh, I mean that's I cannot, like I just
practice a physical, physical disability, where like writing is one
of the worst things. It's like eventually painful. I kind
of want to go and hunt this down just to
be like, yeah, let's fucking go, mate, I have a disability.
Let's go. But actually, you know, maybe it works, but wait,
so do it's how you write them? Do you do
it by letter?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Like yeah, so you just do a letter by letter
and then when you want to do a space, you
do like a left to right. When you want to
delete something, you can go right to left.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I'm oddly like intrigued by this because there's when they
brought Swipe. I don't remember Swipe. It's like when you
just drag the it's now fairly common, but it like
that works pretty well. Oh yeah, I love it. I'm
kind of like, all right, Meta, if you want to
do one whole booth for swipe, a c that they
did one year Swipe, I think actually have like a
small booth. Yeah, it sounds like something plausible and I

(59:10):
just mandela affected into the world, just like YouTube videos
popping up. No, it's I I can't believe, like Meta
fucking Meta is the company that brought something that worked
to ces. Oh god, it's like it's like a three
headed dog being born. Disgusting.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I mean, I think what you were what you were
saying earlier about basically the trend is the most pragmatic
things are the things that actually will help the world
and the consumers actually want and actually need, But they
just are the least shiny and they get the least
positive feedback and they hit the fewest headlines.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, and if you allow me to tell a brief story,
please please close out this there.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
This is okay, Here we go. I think, I think
we you're for the first minute of this, you're gonna
go why are you telling this story? And then I
think you will understand. For my wonderful boyfriend's birthday earlier
this year, I had a couple grand plans. I have
this like very vivid memory of him having when we

(01:00:17):
first started dating a couple of years ago, having this
like plug by his bed that had multi chords coming
out of it, like a little octopus set up kind
of thing, and he would move it from next to
his bed to his office and then from his office
to wherever we were going. And I two years ago
I was like, it would be awesome to get him
a second one of those so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
That he didn't have to move it around.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
And then he also thinks that the Eminem's store in
Times Square is very funny, and so I was like,
I also will get him some Eminem's store branded merchandise, okay,
And then I think I had a third idea right
that I don't remember now. And then it was the
day before my boyfriend lives in London. It was a
day before I was It was the day I think
it was the day that I was flying to London.

(01:00:59):
Had not any of this. Went to the Times Square
store in London, the Eminem I'm sorry, the eminem story
in Times Square. Uh, couldn't find anything that he would want.
Got him a pair of boxer shorts that I knew
he wouldn't like. It's not the type that he wears.
But I was like I at this point, I really
have backed myself into a corner. Landed in London, went
immediately to multiple department stores looking for this type of

(01:01:22):
cable whatever. None of them had the setup that I wanted.
I wound up buying what's the fancy It's like Macy's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
No, it's like a step down from that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
It's a two word, two name, John w John Lewis, John.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I fucking wish yees.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
So he went to John Wallas, went John Watis, went
to John Lewis, bought him a plug and two cables
that all were sold separately. Couldn't figure out what the
third like, couldn't find the third thing whatever. I wound
up for his birthday and just for context, the year
before he had turned forty and I had gotten him
a vintage Tottenham Hotspur which is the soccer team that
he supports warm up jacket from the year that he

(01:02:06):
became a fan of nineteen eighty three, like went hunted
on eBay, found the exactly it was this incredible gift.
And this year I brought him Eminem's boxers and a
plug and two chords. And he was like, you are
the idiot husband and I am the long suffering wife.
And fair point. But the entire point of this story

(01:02:27):
is out of all of the presents I have gotten
him over the last two years, you want to know
what he fucking uses every fucking day, the cable and
the cables. And I'm like, see, it wasn't a bad present.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
And you are still the fucking husband. You're still the husband.
You're still the husband who got the gift. They're like, look,
it's good, it's good, and it was expensive. Stop muttering
onto your breath when I mentioned Christmas. All right, We're
going to rotight to our next guest. The next advertisement
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(01:03:17):
Welcome back to the show. I'm met Zeitron. I'm joined
by Charissa Bella Engadget.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Hello, Jared Newman of the Advisory to newsletter. I'm Robert
Evans of Behind the Bastards. I am loving the drive
time radio DJ version. I'm really enjoyed. A yeah, I really,
I'm going to be everyone not for me. Have you
taken reader questions? I would love them. If you want
to easier better offline dot com, I'll answer all your questions. No,

(01:03:44):
I've been Daniel Goodman my producer. Sorry, my producer is Mattsowski,
but Daniel producers went in person. It's not a fan
and be heat as well. Nevertheless, we've been working on it.
But I think the idea of like a drivetime show
with me is a really, you don't need to you
don't want to have that on. Holy Force come out
of the world. But Robert, you've got a stack of
paper in your crusading against trees. I do, I do.

(01:04:06):
I hate trees.

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
I love printed advertisements for products that are going to
destroy the company releasing them. Yes, and I've been collecting
quite a few. These are just the ones that I
managed to grab out of my bag quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Nice, but talk to me about some of the things
you've seen today.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
Well, I mean, easily the most impressive product that's at
the show today and there's a wide variety of stuff.
There's like apparently some sort of like magnetically fired net
gun for taking out drones. Okay, you know there's all
sorts of incredible like different like in smart vehicle product
or products like different kind of electric engines, and like

(01:04:47):
all sorts of crazy new battery and solar technology. But
it's the AI that's really set off the convention this year.
Everyone's talking about AI and there's no AI product that
people are talking about more than AI Moon, the world's
first zodia AI faery. I mean obvious, please, like look
at the I mean I would describe them as like

(01:05:07):
if a furry that's not a nice joke, furrey head
fetal alcohol syndrome, right, Like that's that's kind of like
how these look to me. I don't mean that like negative,
it's just a description. Yeah, And these are these are
to replace your astrologer. You know, they're trying to get

(01:05:31):
rid of astrology.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
They're coming off a scam. They're coming after the scam artists. Today,
the newspapers are gonna shut down. They already told classified
the way.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
And I, for one thing, I cannot tell how much
is AI generated of the pictures of people in this brochure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Everything looks a little wrong to me. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
They brat that they have a pro prietary astrology engine
with a berth horoscope and a composite chart analysis, a
long term memory system so it gets to know you
better with every chat, and a personalized personality that's customizable
based on user data. They're good as friends, as emotional comfort.
They brag that it can help you cure certain problems

(01:06:10):
that you might have. Uh so I'm gonna say the
other ad I've got. Yes, I'm gonna say Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
First of all, I don't think the audience could possibly
know how low resolution it's like. And you've got some Yeah,
here's the thing, because there's like astrology where it's like
based on like when you were born and more times,
and like there's always like thoughts. This is not that,
this is like various photos. They're not okay, this is

(01:06:38):
like did they photo show this thing in that's what
They don't quite look right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
And I can't tell if that's just because they used
AI photos or if there's just like a deep well
of madness at the same.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
These are these physical objects.

Speaker 6 (01:06:50):
Yeah, yeah, they're little furbye sized objects that give you
our like horoscope chatbots that are supposed to like learn
and evolve the more they work with you. And they're
also supposed to like counsel you and be like quasi therapists.
So they had like four different arc types of these

(01:07:11):
robots that they were advising. One is the relationship advisor
filter out toxic, filter out the toxic, making the ones
you loved, making the sorry, making the ones you love
cherish you even more, which is a weird sentence first off,
like okay, sure. And this one is sharp tongued, emotionally rich,
sharp intuition, strong empathy, and sensible and obviously it's a Scorpio.

(01:07:35):
And then the Capricorn one is your career lucky charm.
It cures overthinking, which might be a violation of FDA advertising,
cures in action, masters, hustling, and career building.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
I want to know how cues in action just by
it's so horrifying you make it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I need to get up and leave my house
to get away for it from the doll.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:58):
And then there's the joyful protector cap onuncech to ditch
the mental overloads, stay upbeaten, carefree, twenty four to seven,
and I really wanted to try these out, but they
did not seem to be functioning. At least the demo
I got, I couldn't really hear it and it I connected,
it just like wasn't connecting. I guess like that's been
an issue because I've tried a bunch of different we

(01:08:18):
slapped and we gave access to jim Andi or to
fucking chat GPT, to a ring or to a pencil
or something like that, and most of the ones when
I'd ask like can I try it, They're like, well,
the signal's not really working right now, like because it's been.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
A lot though, because the Wi Fi doesn't work and
all these things are off device. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
Well, and that's one of the products that I did
really like was from a I initially just discovered the
company because I saw their name and I was like,
that can't be an American company because they would not
have picked this name. And it's for they do translation
based AI products and the company's name is trans Aia,
So I just looked. I just kind of like that
got me looking. But then their products were actually really

(01:08:59):
really neat. They had a device that's like a transcription tool.
It's about the size of a smartphone. It's got the screen,
it looks nice. It's got a swiveling camera that has
like a little engine on it, and so you can
just set it down when you're doing an interview and
it'll transcribe that. But it also it acts as a translator.
It's got like one hundred and fifty languages, like you
can have Translate Concrete, which.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
A bunch of products actually sounds a ton of people.
And this was on I remember them saying this was
all on device, and it's on device.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
That's what I really liked because a lot of people
are offering this is a translator, but it's in the
cloud or it's it's you're literally like chat GPT's on
it too, and like, so you want me to have
like interviews that might be sensitive and then throw that
shit back to chat GPT or elsewhere on the No,
I want it on device.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
And especially with these cheap companies, you know they're not
paying the extra.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
To keep it so diope, yeah, and that will be
trans Ai is going to have this out there if
you just google Transai Kickstarter. They've got a Kickstarter going
to fund this device, which I didn't get to test
it fully, I did get to like whole and look
at it. It seemed at least physically well made, like
it's a good industrial design. I can't well I did.
I mean, there's only so much you can try standing around.

(01:10:09):
They did give me, though, a set of wireless earbuds
that are automatic translators that's supposed so I am going
to get to try that out like that, so we'll
see how.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Well it works device as well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
No, no, no, no, those are those are because they're just
little earbuds, right. But it may it may just be
though that the downloads enough onto your phone. I'm not
I haven't gotten to try that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
But I feel like in a few years, anything that's
left of the air Bubble will all be on device,
just because nobody trusts this shit right well, and just yeah,
nobody wants to pay for it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
No one wants to pay for it, and for stuff
that's really crucial, like being a like if you're trying
to sell like you can have conversations when you're traveling
around the world, maybe in like weird off grid locations.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
I don't want to have to have like five G
We were just saying that earlier. It's like if you're
in some way where you desperate, you need the translation.
There's no English speakers around. It's probably also not a
Wi Fi rich environment. Yeah, and you you have more
experience of this, I think than anyone. Well, and you'd
always prefer to have a person. But that's not mean
always some what else you got in your pile of papers? Okay,

(01:11:17):
let's see what? Please? Do I have them? I?

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Well, I've got this book that I can't wait to read,
Patterns for Building AI Agents by Sam Bogwatt, who is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
The co founder.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
That's a great name. I think it's it's just a
normal name. I'm Bogwar, founder and CEO of something called
Master AI. I don't know what it is, but eleven
of these we're sitting out at a bus stop on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
The way to the convention center. So I just went
ahead and grabbed one, like when you're walking around Brookley
Fund a scientology thing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
Yeah, yeah, it might be a cult. I have not
confirmed it's not a cult.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Okay, So okay, this guy Patsons for building a saman Yeah,
I don't know. I'll look at this later and i'll
tear it. Oh yeah, this is oh actually I can't read.
This is the sequel to Principles of Building AI Agents
of Oh, okay, you got to read the first one
strikes back first. So I found the name.

Speaker 6 (01:12:05):
This is the device I was talking about, the AI,
the on the world's first on device AI meeting note taker,
the trans AI note. You can see, it's like a
nice looking gadget.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
By the way.

Speaker 5 (01:12:15):
There was another device called trans AI or trans It's
just something with trans and AI in the name, and
it was voice cloning. It was a translator, that translator
that tried to make your voice sound like it was
in the other language.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it was a little undersettling.
That's that's really good for fraud. Like that really is
going to fraud.

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
So I haven't really wanting to take advantage of a
lot of French people at scale, and it's just hard
to do right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, I'm just reading this agent book example Coding Agents.
Replet agent feeds errors back into context and kicks off
an not mate feedback loop. Based on everything I've ever
read about that company, that is wrong, just like it.
Maybe just haven't looked masters.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
There was Oh, there was the cybo pal, which is
It was one of those products where I can see
the cool in this, but it doesn't work very well.
Where it's supposed to be a site tracking, intelligent monitor
that moves on its own with your.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Head, Okay, I can see the bottom as you as.

Speaker 6 (01:13:14):
You like move Now, obviously you don't want it to
just physically move whenever you move your head, because that
would be a nightmare. That would like literally be hell,
like if this gadgets just constant as you're like, I
gotta like move over, take a hit of a vight
pen or something. But so they had to figure out, like,
how can you what is like an easy, seamless, unobtrusive
way for you to tell this thing to move, And

(01:13:35):
they settled on a complex series of different hand gestures
that you have to use, what like you have to
go aim at one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Of two different sensors.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
And first the lady who was like the pr representative
that was supposed to show it off, tried to and
about one out of every four times it did what
she asked it to. And then the guy who I
think was one of the inventors. It's definitely her boss.
There's a language, bears. It was a little hard to
tell their exact roles in the company sat down and he.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Did a lot better.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
It responded to what he asked it about seventy percent
of the time, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Still a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:14:10):
Both of them a lot of the time are just
like doing this, like repeating the same like two finger
gesture whatever, over and over at a camera to get
it to move. And when it because periodically for like
forty seconds, it would do like five or six gestures
in a row would move.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
And I was like, oh, that's kind of neat. Yeah,
if it worked, it would be great.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's just one of these. It's
another like AI product, well for one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
That's not AI. I'm sorry, guys, like we're using that
for every It's the same thing. Like they had that
company that Apple bowl, like in twenty eleven that was
like they had a ca it was like a ball
that it was like a wee baw. You're attached to
a monitor and you could like do gestures and that
badly fucking worked. Hell yeah no.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
Lenovo actually had a tilting a swiveling screen, yeah, laptop
and then follows your head when you're on.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Did it work?

Speaker 7 (01:14:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
It worked at these people. So are you oh say
we had that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Didn't Xbox have that technology like ten years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Well connects, but it couldn't see black people. So that
was like it's like it's like a better keeps happening too,
It's not the first, no one will be the last time.
The law doesn't seem to do that either.

Speaker 6 (01:15:17):
Well sometimes yeah, but yeah, I mean, and that that
the whole frustration of like things labeled it, because there's
there's a mix of like shit labeled as AI that
under no circumstance does anyone really reasonable consider like a
robot that responds to a gesture by moving a screen
and that's all it does is not an intelligence?

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Also, just do you have fucking hands? And have you
met people with all the hands.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Like we've been and we've been doing that for forever.
Like machines that you can like do something into a
camera and it recognizes a simple a vision.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
It's just basic like you get not on device now.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
And likewise, like I keep seeing like I like this AI,
this meeting note taker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
I don't is it AI?

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
I guess it's more AI to recognize and like transcribe
a conversation. But the appeal is not that it's a
thing that you can communicate with. The appeal is that
it can do a task.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
It's this there's a bunch of different AI pins and
AI glasses and the ones I hated all had chat
integration into it to where you can communicate with it,
and the ones that were cool were like, yeah, it's
a pen that can listen to a conversation and transcribe
it for you, right right, And it's like, well, yeah,
that's that might be useful.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
You know. It's just like it all gets back to
the classic thing of like, yeah, I want this to
do a task and they're like, oh no, no, sorry,
AI doesn't do that. Yeah, like it's not able to
do that. And it's I feel like this is just
the logical end point of where this is. CS has
been going for ten years, which is slowly distancing itself

(01:16:49):
from reality. Yeah, and promise to just this point when
ninety seven percent of the stuff is just like if
it works, wouldn't it be kind of useful?

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Sort of Well, it's like you know, I was talking
about like AI slop products earlier, you know, and it's
the kind of thing where like okay, uh, you can
talk to your router and the router will tell you
what's wrong whatever. But it's like you could just design
a UI that just like told you that, that just
gave you that information in a visually appealing way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Work. People don't look as a print journalist.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
Like people don't want to read a block of text unfortunately,
they just want visual. And yet we're reverting into this
thing where like the technology communicates with you via a
block of text that was generated by Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
I also love that with routes as well, because I
think for like every CEES I've ever been to, there
was a router company that said, yeah, we'll just fix
your network problems. Right, everyone's lying, every single one of
them's lying. It's wrong every time. It's never worked, tp
link deco, fuck you, tp Link, I'm sorry that shit
don't work. Busted and fuck that. Hundreds of dollars wasted.

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
Yeah, and it's the most I've the most product category
type I have seen at CEES is some form of
digital assistant and or a new chat bot or like companion.
Right right, Like there's a huge booth for a company
called to Ya t u Ya that was like they've
got this holistic it does everything digital companion. You can

(01:18:13):
like there's a health version of it, so you can
like feed this thing your health data, Like you can
give it access to your wearables, and it'll not just
like tell you what's my heart rate? Add how much
you know, many calories did I burn? But it'll tell
you like it'll like make workout plans for you and
like recommend diets and stuff for you, which, like, I

(01:18:34):
guess I'm sure there are people who want that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I have.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
The concern I always have was like with like, okay,
so you're feeding all of your biometric data into this
machine that you're feeding all of your communications to. It
has access to your email, it has access to your notes,
it's you've got a wearable device and it's listening to you.
There's a mobile version running through your house. How secure
are you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
How? How how much do you trust this company's data safety? Yes,
data retention, considering big companies have breaches all the time.
I will also have if you get the wrong workoup
and you can actually really hurt yourself. Honestly, this is
someone who's done it to myself. It's just like that
feels I feel people are very cavalier about that as well,
where it's just like Oh yeah, I'll just take the

(01:19:16):
workout from the air and you fuck your leg up,
you fuck your arms up, all the things I've done.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
Yep, And there's a So they have an AI pet
robot for two you that can live in your house.
It's got It looks like a big white doughnut with wheels.
And I think the hole in the middle is meant,
at least based on the crudely photo or the crudely
photoshopped cat sitting in it, to be like your pet
can sit inside the AI robot companion.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
See, it's part of the Wow family. I've always a
pet for my pet, your cat, And it's telling that
you get a real cat in that thing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:51):
They had to photoshop a cat crudely because the cat
is getting inside a wheeled robot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Bobo is killing that shit. Bob is fucking running across
the house to like, yeah, donkey kick that shit.

Speaker 6 (01:20:03):
And they describe again it just looks like a doughnut
with wheels. Galactic design, harmonious coexistence, sleek sci fi aesthetics
for pets and people.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, it's Jesus, It's just why am I going to
meet somebody who buys one of these? Yeah? I want
to meet someone, I actually want to study the brain
of someone who goes that is.

Speaker 6 (01:20:28):
Like yes, yes, it was a big booth, so clearly
there's money behine hundred thousand. This is uh yeah. I'm
not sure where the company is based at them. I
haven't looked into it enough yet. There was a panel
going on uh two ya x two ya and Google
Cloud from AI First to AI Everywhere, which was the

(01:20:51):
same as half of the other panels I've heard.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
It was just a bunch of platform do you want
to tie someone?

Speaker 6 (01:20:56):
Like how the ais ais just getting back? It's coming
to everything. Don't you love your digital assistant? I don't
go anywhere without my digitalist?

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
You set the last year this is the worst that
leviby it Actually.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
It's at least not any better. And yeah, they've they've
got the health management thing. It's got a fitness coach,
it does sleep analysis. And again I just keep thinking like, okay,
so you're just handing literally your entire life's data.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
And this is the Zone app.

Speaker 6 (01:21:24):
This is they do the doughnut thing, and they have
the Companion app that can also one of the things
they bragged about is that if you just oh, it
can run your smart home, so you can plug your
security system into this addition to your biometric data. It's
a security guardian twenty four to seven protection for peace
of mind. And it can run your smart power system,

(01:21:46):
it can run your smart home. And it's also just
a companion. And one of the things they advertise this
companion can do is if you just tell it a topic,
it'll automatically generate a podcast for you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Aren't we all you know? We're as you're now ed.
It takes a little more skill than that chat chat
with Hay two. Yeah. By the way, it's Hay two
sounds a lot too much like haka. Yeah. I'm also
just thinking like everything's like sleep analysis, so as a
chat GPT wrapper you feed the sleep day or into
health analysis. It's just they released chat GPT for Health

(01:22:20):
Today AI podcasts Alex said, listen to what you love.
Alex Heath of Sources says that churt GPT health is
going to be big. I think that that's irresponsible, yeah
and also bullshit, like a massive numpty would use chat
GPT health. It's like, what's it going to fuck? And
it also it's great, it's like use it for this this,
but it's not for health advice.

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
Yeah, so why though he said that we can't advertise
that right now Jesus the liability, But.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Also, what the fuck is it for? Then it's for
giving you health advice? Yeah, it's like it's for health.
Here's the other thing that like health stores.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
If we buy and this is an if, but like
if we buy the idea that generative AI agents like
chattybut Gemini whatever are like the operating systems of the future,
which I of course do, yeah, and I know you
believe that, but like you now you have all these
other products like that, which is like its own AI

(01:23:13):
kind of agent and so and there's like a million
of them on the show floor, So like are you
gonna have that? And then another device that has its
own ANI thing and another device as Zoni I think, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
You really would rather just use chatchybut or whatever. That's
the thing. It's like, what happens to all these companies
when open ai copies all of them? Yeah? Or dies?
What if open ai raises their prices? Do the margins
make sense?

Speaker 6 (01:23:40):
And these products are literally just a thing that like
that a computer that we slapped into a ring or
something and gave it wireless at like gave it like
access to to chatchipt, right, that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
What if you can't afford that anymore? Yeah, what if
they raise the prices by ten percent? Because that doesn't
sound like much if you're like paying twenty bucks a month,
but if you're doing I don't know, thousands of dollars
tens hundreds of Yeah, wipe them out immediately if your
margins are ten percent, and like most of your business
is spent on chat GPT, It's just it's inevitable, but

(01:24:15):
also so easily clonable.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
I am I'm looking forward to the chat GPT. Furry astrologer.

Speaker 6 (01:24:21):
Sure now that that's responsible use, that's AI of AI,
and that that really seems like ethical AI to me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Yeah, they're worrying.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
There was a good one on mental health and AI
that was by a the Yeah, I mean it wasn't
so much a panel as like a speech by like
a clinical therapist. Okay who I've got this written down
of my notes. I'm spacing on her name right now.
But she was taking very much the the reasonable tact
of like, Okay, what has already happened is that a

(01:24:52):
shitload of people are using chatbots as therapists. That is happening.
That is a thing that is going on. There are
harms we are starting to document and we will continue to
document with that, but it's a thing that's happening. What
would a healthy like like. And the other thing she
was saying that I don't fully agree with, but I

(01:25:13):
think it's an arguable point is the because lack of
access to mental health resources is such an endemic problem
in the United States and the world, there is an
opportunity if you can make ethically a clinical like a
like an AI therapist, right or something that can do

(01:25:33):
counseling or whatnot to reach people who could another way.
Now I don't agree with that, but I it's a
for the purpose of a like listening to the speech,
I can I can follow with like, Okay, how would
you I want to hear your pitch on like what
an ethical version of this would be. And what I
appreciated is that she doesn't really didn't really come to
a conclusion, like she was like, these are the things

(01:25:54):
you would need to do. I don't know if it
can be done. That was kind of the three one
is like I'm not sure that this is a here's
what it would need to be if it was if
you were going to try to do this, Here's what
you couldn't have it doing. Here's the things you'd have
to keep in mind. And like, one of the things
she brought up, which I think is why this is
a fundamentally impossible thing, is she said, Okay, one of

(01:26:14):
the major problems with chatbots, especially because people using THEMS therapists,
is that they are designed to keep you on and
to keep you using it, and they like, well, we'll
gas you up, they'll they'll lie, they'll say whatever to
keep you using them, and that's bad for like therapy. R.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, you need pushback, right, you.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
Need pushback, You need critical analysis of what you're doing.
Sometimes you don't need a machine that is trying to
keep you happy so that you continue to use it.
That's not therapy. And she was like, so any responsible
version of this technology turned towards therapy would have to
not do that. And so I came up to her
afterwards and I was like, well, the problem to me

(01:26:53):
then is people will always have access to the robots
that are really dangerous and terrible therapists that make them
feel good and want to talk to them, why would
anyone use and pay money for a presumably more expensive
therapeutic bot that doesn't make them feel good? And she
was like, well, yeah, I think that's probably like an
insurmountable problem. Basically, like that was the That wasn't her word,

(01:27:16):
but her words were essentially like, yeah, I'm I have
the same concern, and I'm not sure it's possible to
do this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
So what frustrates me She's right, sure, but what frustrates
me about that is like I'm tired of people saying
if it did this, it would be great. If it's
just not possible, if it's just like most of ces
this year is like if it worked, it would be good.
Hers was more people are using chatbots for therapy? Is it?
What would you need to see for this to not
be Irrespecti's and I use, I think that's reasonable. I

(01:27:43):
just I think it's just people. What She's right, it's
a good thing that it's like, is that a good thing?
People will conflate you can't do it, probably yeah, And
it's also people will conflate that by saying and if
we just buy more GPUs then therapy bot will exist.
And it's also just people misunderstand what therapy is. It's
it's really Yeah, it's good that someone said what would

(01:28:05):
be required, but the moment you think about what be required, yeah,
realize it's the same.

Speaker 6 (01:28:12):
Last year, we talked to a guy who made an
AI enabled device that was like four as a companion
for old people. Primarily, it's like this like head shaped
kind of robot but didn't have like a face, that
had cameras on it and could like move a little
bit and engage with you that you would like keep
in a kitchen or something like an appliance, and you

(01:28:34):
could use basic stuff with it. It'll tell you like
the weather outside, it can look up stuff for you, and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
It'll also basically like a lepsa, but it also.

Speaker 6 (01:28:42):
It's programmed to engage you and kind ask you to like, hey,
do you want to record a story for your grandkids?
Like you can build an archive? Hey, uh, you have
these friends who also have this device, why don't I
call one of them, like I just to try and
keep them active, to try to keep them engaged with
their family, to make sure and talking to the inventor

(01:29:02):
of it, he was incredibly concerned both about privacy but
also about this is a medical device, and this is
a device that would give people better access to their doctors,
better access to their families, give their families a better
idea of what's going on with them. And so I
don't think it's going to work as a product. I'm
sure the company has already failed to be entirely honest,
because I don't think anyone's going to buy this thing.

(01:29:24):
But I appreciate, like, Okay, you can't you You you
had a good impulse coming in here.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
This is not a cash grab for you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
You were attempting to make something that would solve a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
And be a good business as a result of that.

Speaker 6 (01:29:36):
Right, And this year I came across a company that
this is the company I showed you the horror Zeroth
that had the They have the Wally Robot. They say
they're working with Disney to do a licensed version of
But they have these tiny robots that look like rock'm
sockam robots that are like companions for the elderly, even
though they look like a Toya kid would have played.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Was this nice or something like that? No, No, it's.

Speaker 6 (01:30:01):
Zero with this company, But it can like walk away.
I can hobble around and the thing is. When I asked, like,
what does it do, she said, well, it'll tell your face.
It'll tell like an elderly person's family member if they're
not doing well, if they like seem to be less
social or like stressed or anxious. And I was like, well,
based on what and he said, well, if you look,

(01:30:21):
you can see, like we've got this, you can see
like how the machine sees through the cameras and it
looks like the terminator, and it'll zero in on faces
and it'll notice like micro expressions that show you that
somebody's like hiding stand And I'm like, you're number one,
you don't know any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Yeah, you're making this so too.

Speaker 6 (01:30:37):
Telling me that your like elder care device looks at
people the way the terminator.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Does, you a lot of confidence.

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
And just the difference in like this man who this
is a very personal invention to him, and he at
every step was thinking about what will actually be best
to the people I want to help, versus this marketer
being like, yeah, it's like a fucking terminator. I'll tell
you if your grandma's dying, fucking room to do with that.
And it's tiny, it's like eighteen inches tall, Grandma's gonna

(01:31:04):
have this walking around, it's because she's gonna trip on it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yeah, like what the fuck? Like the classic thing that
old people do is trip on stuff, and it's like,
we need another one.

Speaker 6 (01:31:11):
But grandma needs is a tiny robot that looks like
a toy that her forty year old grandson now would
have played with as a kid, and like why why
does she want this in her house?

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
You get it between like t Moon notifications and Instagram
notification Grandma dead, Grandma dead, grama details later, Grandma dead,
or like the it's like your cat's pissed, Like you
get the note he really is notification. If you bought
even seven of these devices, your entire life is just
a nightmare.

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Of just like ping cat the rest of your life
trying to scroll through one day's notice.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Your I mean, my fucking phone is already like that.
It's insane. You install a new app that's like, oh,
it's the it's the Selfridges app, and it's like did
you know you can buy pants? And it's like I'm familiar,
Thank you Selfridges.

Speaker 5 (01:31:56):
But I think it it kind of gets back to
like you know what I'm saying before about like pebble
and clicks. It's like, you know, it is so in
short supply at cees to find like authenticity, somebody who
is like really passionate about like this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
I want to solve a problem. So when you find it,
it's very exciting, you know. Yeah, like the guy.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Who made the the the mug that has a fan
on it for when you're in like you're drinking at
the stadium or something during like a summer game and
you want both a.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Fan and you want your your beer, your gatorade, whatever you.

Speaker 6 (01:32:29):
Put in there. You know as well, it's stupid. I
don't want one. It barely counts as consumer electronics. But
at least a man had a dream, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
So we're going to rotate again and the next ad
is whatever it is, it's perfect. You have to buy
it immediately. Diana once again, in front of a micro

(01:33:00):
phone in the Palazzo in Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm drinking
my eleventh diet Coke. I'm surrounded by the warmth and
love of friendship and camaraderie. Joining me is Chloe Radcliffe,
the wonderful stand up comedian actress from a is this
thing on who What? Where? It's you who Robert Evans
of Behind the Bastards. Yes, correct, I'm going. I'm just

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stand up comedian Adam Conover and also the host of
the Factory podcast. Hello, and of course edyonon Gaiso Junior,
who writes the Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello, and we're back.
We're back for the final bit of this of the
Wednesday's CES episode. I am on. This is what twelve
and a half hours. It's great. I've got so many more.
I fucking love doing I'm not even complaining. I love

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doing this. But everyone else, everyone else is tired. And
I'm so sorry everyone for dragging you into this. But yeah,
so we've got two people who've never been to CES before. Oh, Chloe, Adam, Yeah,
how'd you feel? What do you think? Welcome to the jungle.

Speaker 10 (01:34:00):
I mean, it makes me wanna like go see someone
play an acoustic guitar with no amplification.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (01:34:11):
It makes me want to like walk by a playground,
like you know, it's recess and the children are just
sort of like running around.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
It makes me want to build a fire and dig
a hole. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:34:26):
It makes me want to like have a basic a
basic pleasure of life. And I'm having trouble, like, you know,
putting the two worlds together.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
You know, I mean, like, well, it's just you know,
like this is it's the center of you know, the
tech industry in many ways, or at least a certain
piece of it.

Speaker 10 (01:34:46):
Right, It's like all sort of coalescing around this, you
know moment.

Speaker 6 (01:34:51):
It's like a little black hole like owls of the
tech end, not ready to like ship all this stuff
out yet, so we're kind of watching it as it
and it's.

Speaker 10 (01:35:03):
It's supposedly the most the most important, you know industry
in America.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Sets the tone for the year as well, because it's
in January, drives the economy.

Speaker 10 (01:35:12):
These are the people who are like creating the future
and and so much of it could not be more
distant from most people's lives or horrifying to their lives.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Yeah, did you say anything new today that horrified you? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:35:25):
There were three different kiosks that we're selling body trackers
that would track you while you're driving a car. Sorry,
it's not for you the driver, though, it's for your
employer to track you while you're driving the car, like
if you know, to track ups drivers or Uber drivers

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or other people who are drive in a fleet and
it can you sit there and it has you know,
it draws a little skeleton over.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Your body and your face to track you. And then
it has a little icon, Oh we can tell you're yawning.

Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
A little voice will say put on your seat belt
like it's it's it's human monitoring to you know, mechanize people.
I guess if you're a logistics company that can't afford
way mos, which are also all over the place, this
is a way of sort of putting your drivers into
a little virtual prison.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Feels so much more invasive than you know, Hey, we
do have an alarm on the car door, so we
know every time you get in and out of the vehicle,
and and we have GBS in the car and we know,
you know, we know when you're stopped.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
Yeah, we have like a governor so it can't go
above a certain yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:36:31):
And uh, you know, it was kind of fun to
play with because they have a camera set up and
you want to track your body.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
And me and what we're playing with it.

Speaker 10 (01:36:37):
And then and I was like waving at it, and
then I kind of pretended I was in a car
crash and then I kind of like yanked the equipment
around and it wasn't put and then a German Man
came over and he was like, you must leave.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
That has been enough fun. You must I was like,
I'm sorry, yes, you must leave. Yeah. Each time you
say each time and I'm said I'm sorry. He's like, oh, yes,
yes you have to go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:37:08):
By the way I was, I was like pretty stoned
for the entire two hours that we were there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:37:13):
I love getting in trouble at booths. Like my second
or third sees. I used to have this thing where
I would go I would seek out all of the
rugged products because this was right when they were starting
to make a bunch of bluetooth speakers fifteen years ago,
starting to make a bunch of like blue like power
banks and stuff. So like rugged electronics was coming into
like its own as a field, and so I would
always I would track down like where they had and

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there was there was one year where one of the
companies selling them had a bunch of like these big
boxy rugged speakers and like logs that like you could
sit on or that they were stacking them on. They
just brought the logs as decorations, right, but they were
like stump sized logs. And I asked them like, hey,
so it's like drop resistant, crush proof, and they were
like walking me through the stats, and I was like,
can I try just dropping one of these logs on
top of it? And they were like yeah, And so

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I fucking hit as hard as the son of a
bitch in half.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
And said you must leave, you must put the log down.
She apologized to me because she said it. I asked,
I didn't do I didn't assault the device.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Well, you assaulted the device, but with expressed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
With that with consent. But this was also a device
you are mint to a soul.

Speaker 6 (01:38:22):
Yes, well that and that's what my very first cees.
They had an indestructible cell phone, not a smartphone cell phone,
and they took a bunch of journalists out too. I
think we were in front of Caesar's. Maybe it was
the Venetian, but they had like a car that had
like company branding on it, and they would each journalist
could go and set the phone down and they would
drive over it with like an suv, right to show

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you how tough it is. And everyone did the exact
same thing and took a video while it was driving
over it, and I did the same thing as everyone else.
I put the phone down flat, they drove over it.
I was like, yep, that's a tough phone. And one
guy stacked it on its side and they drove over
it popped it right open because it hit a seam.
And that is one of the most influential like moments

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in my career as a journalist where it's like, that's
that's how you do.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
I feel like this is that this is the CS thing.
It's like, we have got one thing this does and
most people are not going to ask because this is
not for people to use, it's for people to sell.
And it's like, oh yeah, yeah, well what if it
does this? Wait? What does it work? I feel like
you were talking about something earlier, Chloe. It was just
like you asked one question. My brain just seizing up

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in real time.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember, which I just have so
many people I've been like what's the point?

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, that's the question. It's like, what's the point? And
then like why fuck way, no one's ever asked does Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
you got anyth dregs left, Chloe things to declare.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
I saw this is not a well I actually don't
know what product this is associated with.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
It must be a product way for the best.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
But there was a like test how strong your your
punch is? Oh yeah, they've had section And I stood
for a couple of minutes and just watched with the
greatest respect, the dweebiest, loseriest, sweet little dorks, some young,

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many old walk up and just like try and rail
this thing, and like, you know, everybody punched it, but
watching watching dudes in just like weirdly fitting suits whose
faces move a little strange, be like it is my
turn to punch now. I was like, this is incredible,
this is beautiful. And I was like, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna take a video of this. I'm not

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gonna take it. This is I'm not trying to like,
I'm not trying to be mean. I'm not trying to
make this a sideshow, but this is cinema. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
I saw also like there was one where you could
throw footballs at target, and I was just I watched
this old man just walk up and just fucking lamping
the footballs and then he just and he's like, wife
was like like videoing him do it, and they just
walked off and you could see the people both be like, wait,
you're not gonna talk to us about the TV and
they just walked off. That guy fucking rocks. That's beautiful.

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I want to throw the football and I don't want
to go I'm done here. I don't need to talk
to you and your like Gooby TV or whatever it was.
It was like one of the weird off brand television
companies that spends way too much of this show. Yeah,
you'll first see us and you'll now really, I feel
like this is an I don't want to say atypical year,
but it's one of the Sadden ones, Like I'm having

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a great time new ideas.

Speaker 11 (01:41:32):
One thing I maybe the only thing I liked actually
was I saw this massive John Deere tractor.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Didn't know they could be this fucking big, massive two
story houses.

Speaker 11 (01:41:43):
Yeah, literally, I climbed stairs to get up there had
crazy hydraulic if I had a vision of of just
not doing any of this ship at farming with the with.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
The big as tract really and right by farming.

Speaker 11 (01:41:57):
Yeah, with the industrial farming from a long line of farmers.
I feel like that that felt right for a second,
and then I had intest of thoughts about running over
all the tech.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Yeah, and that would be.

Speaker 10 (01:42:07):
Oh yeah, that I felt more when I climbed up there,
I started, you know, because it's you climb into this
thing and you're thirty feet above the ground and it's
like the bridge of like the Starship Enterprise. It's like
a hydraulic chair and like a giant thing, and you're
looking at the it's the rest of the show floor
and you're just like, oh, if I had a missile

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launcher on this, I could blow.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
It all up.

Speaker 10 (01:42:30):
And the front of it looks like weaponry because it's
like twenty like imagine a cone the shape of a
traffic cone, but as tall as a person, right, and
then on its end like with the sharp part pointed out,
like twenty of those lined up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
That's what you're it's right, it is.

Speaker 10 (01:42:47):
I believe it's picking corn like off the cobs and
putting it into a giant like dump truck looking thing
that that that goes along in sync with it, which
is another part of the gap between the stuff with
the sh in reality, because it's like this is so
far from what most people think of it as a farm.
You know, this looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
But that's how but that's how most farms is. Oh,
I know, but it's it's just the gap between.

Speaker 10 (01:43:13):
It looks like if you were playing like a video
game and you were like terraforming mars like this, this
thing looks.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Like I just like the idea of a giant tractor
and just turning the fucking thing on, driving forward until
I'm out at this convention center.

Speaker 12 (01:43:27):
Could drive away, just head for the hills, Yeah, just
to just stop to hit red Rock, go out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
To Area fifty one, me and the boys.

Speaker 11 (01:43:35):
Yeah, that's our dear president.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
That's one of his bits, right, Remember when he had
that truck and.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Just drive away.

Speaker 11 (01:43:44):
They won't let me, But I could just go off
into the sunset.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
You could.

Speaker 11 (01:43:48):
You could do that up the tractor, you know, if
you maybe if you're hot, worried. I don't know if
it actually has an.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Imagine you could imagine a tractor that you are describing
is the size of a spaceship. But if you just
know exactly where to cut, you can just make red
wire technically wire and turn this thing on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
Yes, Massacre mo over Sea the last US track to Massacre.

Speaker 3 (01:44:11):
Blasting big green tractor out of the speakers there were.

Speaker 10 (01:44:14):
I do want to say behind us in line for
the tractor, there was like a bunch of folks from
Japan and they were like vibrating with excitement to get
in the tractor. Because I can only imagine just the
americanness of a John Deere tractor and the size of it.
It was like they were they like shoved me out
of the way to get in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
I'm I will also say this is a unique thing
that Americans can't understand how small some other countries are.
Look when I got to American and I saw my
first cruise ship, I kind of freaked the fuck out.
I say, it's just so large, so much, it looks
like the size of London. Upsetting. I still freak out
over them. They're huge and they're terrifying. They look horrifying,

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and like, if I go on this big tractor, I
would either feel overwhelmed with power or like just like
I wouldn't want to exist. But I also liked that
they had a big tractor. See if that makes me.

Speaker 6 (01:45:04):
Yeah, I feel like the big tractor is like the
ring of power and that Yeah, no matter whether or
not you like hate it, before you get behind the wheel,
as soon as you start driving it, it changes you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
You just hit dragula.

Speaker 10 (01:45:15):
Yeah, it's like it was pretty clear. It was pretty
clear you don't even drive this thing you supervised. Yeah,
Mar this would be my green Goblin mosque.

Speaker 6 (01:45:26):
You've got mister Wharf behind you on the weapons tail
rikers outside.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Alex Heath is hand Sorry, Alex, Sorry, Alex. I don't
mean I'm not going to run you over the track.
I do love that.

Speaker 11 (01:45:40):
Every now and then you'll name jobs when you're like,
I wish I could do bodily harm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
I also would not do bodily harm to Alex Heath.
I apologize, Alex.

Speaker 6 (01:45:50):
Not what the poster that you made and put on
the wall. I wasn't gonna comment on it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
It's weird, but just the fucking signal chat from lost
was just like an action of threat against an executive.
I was like, oh yeah, and it was the second
I got here as well. He was like, Samuel, when
we're going to and I'm not going to fucking repeat it.

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
Yeah, it's it's not illegal to make actionable threats against people.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
It's not. It depends on what.

Speaker 12 (01:46:17):
Who you voted for, folks. Yeah, it's These are jokes.
These are bits bits. We're doing bits. We're having a laugh.
We're having a laugh. It's bans it's we're bantmaxing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
We're bantering. Yeah, yeah, that's that's how it works. So Adam,
this is your last day though. Did you see anything
you liked it? So you're on it of all? Yeah? No, no,
I know. I was vaping. I have a dry herb vape,
which is the best way to consume week Hi. I
actually am curious what does that mean?

Speaker 10 (01:46:44):
Okay, so what it means? I love explaining this. What
it means is you you know, Robert, you know what
this is. Yeah, it's just like a vape that, yeah,
you put material in it. Most vapes that people think
of our oil that have like chemically extracted the THHC
and suspended it in like an.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
All of the vapes used to work a volcano and
stuff when we were kidding.

Speaker 10 (01:47:02):
This is you put plant material in it. It heats
it to a precise temperature where it does not burn.
It just vaporizes the THHC and other oils oils, and
one of the great things about it is it makes
almost no vapor. So you I use this thing at
the fucking airport, Like nobody noticed. You know, no one's
looking at you. No one is going to know as
you're using this thing. So it is great for this

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kind of environment, but it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
Doesn't taste like strawberry melon. I guess weed babes maybe
never do wow. Spoken like a person who really knows
her drugs.

Speaker 10 (01:47:34):
Uh, I did see something that I really did pop for,
which was and Ed was there too, the uh uh
it was ah okay. So imagine like a white van,
like a normal van, and on top of it are
sort of a couple of blue tubes that go up
and down and rotate, kind of like a like if
you built like a lego version of an anti aircraft

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that looks like that looks like a home anti aircraft weapon,
And it turns out that's what it was because it
shoots a net at.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
Drones using not gunpowder. It's just some kind of electromagnet.
So it's like a like almost a rail gun type.
I asked the guy was this a rail gun, and
he was like.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
What's a rail gun?

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Magnets to propel around? Nothing trail gun with you.

Speaker 10 (01:48:19):
Sorry, it's like a it's like a yeah, like a
sci fi torp.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Can we cut that out of.

Speaker 10 (01:48:26):
But yeah, so it shoots a it shoots a net
at the drone and then it catches the drone and
then there's a little parachute so the drone like falls
down to Earth so you can it was like super
fucking just like Metal Gear Solid five.

Speaker 11 (01:48:38):
Yeah, it's just because it's like he was like, there's
a legal gray area where it's like, you know, you
see a drone that you don't know and you're like,
whose drone is this?

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
And you want to shoot it, but you can't. You know,
you might get in trouble.

Speaker 10 (01:48:52):
So he says, so you're not destroying it, you can
just you can give it back to the owner after.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
You retrieve it. That shit on the back of my
truck like a technical and in the park, just driving
you pick up truck with a bunch of drones in
the back.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
I mean, what we think mad Max is going to
look like is like old gas trucks. It's actually going
to just be semi trucks with drone trophies.

Speaker 10 (01:49:16):
Because the drones are going to have countermeasures. Eventually, they're
going to all they are chaff or they're going.

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
To dodge, you know, they've already I mean that's yeah,
that is the nature of drug Like that's what we're
seeing in Ukraine right now, which is like it's it's this,
it's gotten to this insane escalation of countermeasure where if
you go to a lot of frontline villages, they're covered
in miles of fiber optic cable. It looks like the
whole dilage is covered in spiderweb. Question, because you almost
have to have all of the drones be wired because

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jamming is so prevalent, right, so if that you can't
jam jam one that's got like a wire on it.
So they're basically taking off with these long spools and
flying around and it leaves because they're getting shot down constantly.
Drones don't have a long life span in the field,
so you just wind up with these villages that are
it looks like a giant spider full of cables webbed.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
That like hangs on the tree, have no idea about.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Yeah, the drone warfare's nuts. Fuck, I hate it.

Speaker 6 (01:50:11):
That's the thing that came closest to killing me overseas
was a fucking drown But yeah, it's it's it's all
this like Red Queen measure countermeasure ship. Like everyone's been
sprinting as fast as possible to stay more or less
in place for the last four years.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
What I liked about this company was I was like,
is this for the military, And he.

Speaker 10 (01:50:29):
Was like, I mean, we're pitching the military, but like,
you know, mate, we talked to him, but like we
think you could use it, you know, to like guard
a private you know, like a power plant, or like I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Was like, use it at Coachella or whatever. I mean.
I uh.

Speaker 10 (01:50:44):
Once there's an episode of Adam Ruins Everything where we
couldn't shoot for like ninety minutes because some dumb ass
was flying a drone over the shoot and we could.
We had to find the guy to stop because it
was fucking like because he used it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
That day, ye had to break his legs. I remember
that episode in That's I love that. I do love Honestly,
every time I hear about this, I just want to
play with one. I just want to shoot a guy
like Duck Hunt, like your guy Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
Just a guy in the sky. Okay, okay, yeah, see
a guy.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
Shot down exactly what I mean, exactly that understand what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
Not a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
I'm just looking at in the streets and capture in
my nets.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
He's got to be high enough that that there van.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
Guns have to be able to aim at them.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
The last time I saw the Blue Angels at fleet
during Fleet Week in San Francisco, I couldn't stop myself
from thinking like I could take them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
I could take them. I feel like I could take
take him. Went out.

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Well, they're flying real close to each other. I feel
like it's not hard to fuck that up. Shove just
a little shop. It's like a because they're in a plane.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
Yeah rock sure, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Yeah, wait, no, we do actually want to take them out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
With Okay, So they're flying pretty low.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
If I ever need to take the Blue Angels, I
would like these.

Speaker 4 (01:52:13):
How low? Like are we talking one hundred feet?

Speaker 6 (01:52:15):
Feel like if you get on top of the Salesforce
tower when they're doing some of those like really low flights,
get like a potato gun. You could get one of
those lodge right into one of the area intake things.
Oh sure, and they're probably like they're they're going so fast.
I feel like any little mistake would be catastrophic.

Speaker 10 (01:52:30):
Yeah he is, And don't get up the Harlem Globe drivers, Okay,
manhunt look like you know, you're like posted up on
the Salesforce tower.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
You used a potato gun parody parody he's doing He's
doing Bess Spence were Bents Spence? Yeah, Fence. But yeah,
it's so it is quite funny watching people like I'm
gonna call you to normal. I think that that's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Yeah, watching a lot of my exes would disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Yeah, sure, but normal You've seen this show and it's
funny watching regular people just be like, yeah, so most
of it's useless, most of it doesn't work, some of it,
most of it will never exist.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
I mean I asked the question in the last episode
with none of these guys here, I've basically said, uh,
what does what is the point of CS? I was like,
what does anybody walk away from CES with you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Yeah? Well I was asking Edward and maybe someone here
knows the answer. Who's the customer? Like I went to
toy fair once and at.

Speaker 10 (01:53:34):
Toy Fair there's there's buyers from retail chains walking around
going like yes, I'll take ten thousand sticky hands or whatever,
which makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Who here? It's not custom Like, who's there are?

Speaker 6 (01:53:45):
So there's CS is really a couple of different events, right,
A huge number of the booths here, particularly when you
get to the areas where all of the company all
the booths are small, and all of the companies have
like different like like Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, or Taiwanese names.
Right when you get to like that chunk of the
of the of the show, most of the people who

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are walking around those booths, it's not like journalists because
in a lot of cases, a bunch of the booths
have the same products that are just like slightly different,
like the same battery, but a different case. Because who's
advertising there are like OEMs, it's like factories and like
manufacturers of different like things that are advertising we make this,
we make this, and you can like buy this part
to make or to sell like as part of other

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tech gear, right, And there are buyers and there are
representatives of companies that are like looking to contract with
manufacturers and whatnot who make can.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Do business here.

Speaker 6 (01:54:38):
That's like a chunk of the event that we don't
have really any because that's not journalists aren't interested in that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
And that's most of that is kind of full of
these I was mentioning like photonic scent sense and we
had things.

Speaker 6 (01:54:51):
Just for like one group I went past like twenty
booths that we're all just selling different pieces of solar panels. Right, yeah,
that's not form valid, right, and that's fine and that
so that's like a big chunk of the event. And
then another chunk of the event is consumer electronics, which
is where most of the bullshit is, right because it's
like eighty percent, well, this, no one will ever buy this,
this is a terrible idea, and twenty percent ranging from Okay,

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there's probably a customer for this to like, oh, that's
actually really cool. And then the third chunk of the event,
which journalists are also involved in, is like this is
not a product yet, but it will be, or these
are ways in which we are looking to integrate technology
into like things that are above the consumer level, like
all of the smart city stuff, all of like the
smart vehicle stuff, right where journalists are interested in that,

(01:55:38):
consumers are interested in that, but you as a consumer,
an't going to go buy a smart street light, right Yeah.
So that so I kind of look at as like
those are the three events that cees is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Okay, that's clarifying, thank you. Yeah. I think like the
majority of this year just feels like chat GPT wrappers. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:55:54):
Yeah, that's most of what most of what I've seen
as some form of AI chatbot integration or glasses we'll chat.

Speaker 10 (01:56:01):
I saw one interesting uh we talked to one vendor
that was like an AI thing that actually seemed to
kind of do something okay, which was they, Okay, if
you have an autonomous driving system and it goes on
a drive and the drive doesn't go well, this will
simulate a slight version of the like they can take

(01:56:24):
a real drive, turn it into a simulation, and then
have the agent or whatever it is, the weay mo
do it again like in its head.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
To like make it do it better the next time.

Speaker 10 (01:56:35):
I'm like, okay, that that seems like sure a company,
an AI company that a different one of these companies
my contracts will date specifically.

Speaker 6 (01:56:42):
What I like about that is that that's a company.
I don't know how all this product will work, but
that's a company that's thinking about solving a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:56:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:56:48):
I always gravitate towards like someone identified a problem and
they made a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Maybe it doesn't work. I suppose the ones just making
up a problem rather than feling to solve it. You
know how your.

Speaker 6 (01:57:01):
Kid doesn't have a robot hallucinating horoscopes for it? Well,
we have solved that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Does your does your does? Where? Does does your kid
think that Taiwan is Taiwan or China? Right? Well, this, this,
this toy is going to tell your child that it
has offended it terribly. Do not mention Winnie the pool
to ai Bop. You will get fucking drunks, you little
shit claude. Don't talk about and sweat.

Speaker 6 (01:57:31):
Is your four year old having too much trouble finding
which under the sink chemicals are most caustic? This new
teddy bear will make sure they know and teach them
how to open all your pill bottles.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
This adorable rabbit will teach your five year old about BDSM.
And what's funny is we are sounding like we're making jokes.
No horror, this is a thing happening today. Welcome, Welcome,
because you may be thinking, well, also, doesn't it do
all the assistant stuff? And you'll be surprised to hear
it does not. None of this refuck. I am like

(01:58:02):
I would actually love to be elated. I would love
to see something I'd love to I brought in so
many people spoken in so many hours, and I'll swear
to fucking god, I'm trying. There's some like there was.

Speaker 6 (01:58:12):
Okay, A cool thing I saw today is this company
that is advertising like paper batteries, right, okay, and the
actual battery isn't isn't paper, but like the battery like
the core of the battery is made out of cellulose
and so the only other and that decomposes. And so
basically instead of dealing with batteries the way you do
now with batteries like this, you throw them into compost,

(01:58:34):
you compost them, and then you filter the metal bits
out and you can recycle the metal bit separately, and
then the compost is usable compost.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Right, that's useful potentially.

Speaker 6 (01:58:42):
Again, I have not looked into this company and done
like third party report also how they are claiming it works.
I don't know if it works, but it's at least
an idea and.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
By here filter the metals and like, but you know
what again, And I'm also like, yeah, who's gonna be
doing that also? But that has great ramifications for disposable things.

Speaker 6 (01:59:00):
That's against someone's trying, yes to take humanity a step forward,
and at least that's.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Good as opposed to like the eighteenth different VACUUS autonomous
driving as opposed to what I saw next to that booth,
yea meat which the company name is just M M
E E T T.

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
Don't know what that means, and it's it's they have
an AI business card. They actually have two different card products.
One is it's the size of a business card. If
a business card was way thicker and couldn actually fit
in your wallet and would be super easy to break
even if it wasn't your wallet. But you tap into
someone's phone and if their phone as an NFT reader
like or.

Speaker 2 (01:59:35):
Not n F NFC, Sorry, oh I couldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:59:39):
If your phone has an NFC reader, it'll pop populate
automatically with their like business card.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
And one quick problem sure if you bump in phone together,
it will do this without you having like an easily
breakable piece of electron.

Speaker 6 (01:59:52):
Interesting what if I told you would? Also, as long
as you have an Internet connection, can translate things because
they can just stick that on whatever. Now I would
I'm using a shitty speaker, I assume, Oh well, I'm sold.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
I just fucking And.

Speaker 6 (02:00:09):
The other product they had was a thicker card that
they bragged with as thin as three millimeters houses for
AI assistants, all the chat bots, they don't actually live
in the product. Again, it's connecting. Why do you need internet?

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
Really simple? What is for? Is that just different? That's
just prompt engineering. These motherfuckers are claiming as like eleven AI.

Speaker 6 (02:00:31):
Ah, no, no, you're you're being unfair. They've got the
AI meeting assistant turn conversations anywhere into summaries, insights and
action items to boost productivity.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
They've got an AI.

Speaker 6 (02:00:43):
Translation assistant break language barriers across one hundred.

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
And forty five So there's not four ais.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
No, it's just four different things. Does it's just prompt engineering?
Because I don't think they were lying to explain.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Because it's like all using chat gpty so to explain
to a sales assistant, which is so promptent.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Ring is literally just every single AI product you have
ever seen on this floor is just prompts. It's prompts
for the API and telling it you are a sales assistant,
you are a meeting assistant. That's all it is. It's
just text. It's just it's all text. Every single one
of these is just text. I am Yeah, Well, what
about the pixels yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:01:19):
Sometimes it's Yes, it's multimodal an AI inspiration assistant ideas
and develop them in the future possibility.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
You can use that. You're a writer.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
You can what do you mean capture fleeting ideas? Do
you mean have an idea? Focus on it in I've
got to be clear your own brain. Then you can't.
An AI can't it. If it's fleeting, it leaves your

(02:01:54):
brain faster than you can type it into your busines
his card.

Speaker 6 (02:02:01):
I'm thinking about, like, because I keep a notebook and
sometimes I like jot down ideas in it. I'm thinking about,
like that time I woke up after blacking out and
just written on a page in the notebook was Hitler
with abs question mark?

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:02:15):
The AI could have really helped me. That could have
been something, you know, Hitler with abs could have been
the next goog.

Speaker 10 (02:02:20):
Wow, Robert Hitler with abs. Sure is an invigorating and
original idea.

Speaker 11 (02:02:25):
We're not just coming up with an idea. You're touching
into something that everyone else is feeling.

Speaker 2 (02:02:32):
What if he had abs? Right? So I'm not just
an idea. It's a revolution. That's another hitler with abs
that real quick. It's not another one of those tweets
about AI wrotes, like every AI thing is like, it's
not just big, it's huge.

Speaker 10 (02:02:48):
That has literally become to me in the last month
that has if whenever I see it's not X, it's y,
I'm like, that's LLLM test.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
So as we wrap up and Adam is finally released
into the into the wild again, is that I'm just
going to tell you the worst name I saw on
the show floor and I fucking looked and it would
be junkie Cream.

Speaker 4 (02:03:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
Yeah, I got junk yunk cream.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
We love junk and it is just an AI slop company.
It was just like it was just I don't want
to talk about what they did because they couldn't work
it out. And also it was very obviously we're trying
to be like because it.

Speaker 4 (02:03:23):
Is just money.

Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
That's so that's exactly. No, no, no, it's like an
it's like an illustration. It's like an it's like semi
animation producing whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
It's very clearly meant to make you go junkie.

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
Cream, right, And that's actually exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
Why I it looks like, come, I haven't brought it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:38):
Up because I saw it yesterday and I was like,
junkie cream.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
And then as soon as you walk over it's the
whole vibe is isn't this crazy junkie cream that ruins it?
Like that's not it's not it's not funny anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
There's a couple of those about yesterday, the jerk off
hand and I saw that. I saw that today, and
I get the handy. I get exactly what you mean, though,
It's like you can look, it's not it's not your
grandma's jack off machine. It's like a very sad thing.

Speaker 3 (02:04:09):
It's only funny when it's when the product is in earnest,
like the Okay, I think, Edward, I think you were
talking about toilet cams. But I then saw, I think,
a different toilet cam than you did. And when the
guy was explaining it to me, he was, first of all,
the words camera in your toilet are, at least to

(02:04:31):
a woman, the camera four words that you can string together.
And so then when he was explaining it, he was like, yeah,
so then the camera. So you put the cam, you
put the thing in, and he put you put the
camera in your toilet, and and he goes, and I said.
I was like, and it's facing down right, and he goes, yeah,

(02:04:52):
he goes.

Speaker 4 (02:04:53):
Obviously it's facing down.

Speaker 3 (02:04:55):
And I was like, and then he paused and he goes,
or maybe it wasn't obvious, and I was like, yeah, honestly.

Speaker 6 (02:05:01):
Notting a toilet in a camera and a toilet everything's
on the table.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Yeah, I know what you might do.

Speaker 4 (02:05:08):
Yeah, yeah, And what happens to those photos?

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
And what?

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
What? What fuck toilet camera?

Speaker 4 (02:05:15):
What is this product supposed to do?

Speaker 3 (02:05:17):
It's looking at your ship and going, hey, you got
to drink more water.

Speaker 4 (02:05:20):
That's the way it does. It insane with a permanent camera.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
I forget who posted it, but it's like, yeah, I
know it's because my piss is like looks like a
high viz vest.

Speaker 10 (02:05:29):
Yeah, Like the consistency of your poop is already you
know it when it's happened.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
If you're like diary, yeah, yeah, ask them. And this
little machine has so many pieces to it, like it's
probably you know, like as you're holding it, it feels
like it's probably like four separate housings that have been
attached together to like make it all work. And I

(02:05:55):
say that it looks it looks fine. I just say
that to say, there's a lot of seams in the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
And a load of pictures of piss, and presumably.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
That's in the cloud. That's for anybody to ask.

Speaker 2 (02:06:05):
Oh good, I'm sure that won't be breached.

Speaker 3 (02:06:07):
But I said, I was like, how do you clean
the toilet cam? And he said, oh, you clean it
in the same way that you would clean your toilet.

Speaker 4 (02:06:15):
And I was like, well for all, yeah, really weird?

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Yeah, like, how does he clean his toilet?

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Yeah, clean his toilet.

Speaker 4 (02:06:23):
The follow up question, how often? Also, this is sitting
on the rim.

Speaker 3 (02:06:27):
I like, I'm happy to use the scrub brush, but
it is once a year at best that I really
like getting there with elbow grease around the rim. And
then this thing has so many once a year.

Speaker 4 (02:06:39):
I guess that's exactly how I.

Speaker 10 (02:06:41):
Pay a lady clean your toilet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to
clean my toilet to look through the photo.

Speaker 3 (02:06:49):
Also, I have a camera on my toilet. It is
called my cell phone, which I bring with me every time.

Speaker 2 (02:06:56):
Yeah. All, So just if you I'm just gonna as
we wrap, I think this statement I want to make
is if you are thinking I'm going to put a
camera in a toilet, Your fucking scumbag. I'm sorry, I'm
just I.

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
Met the guy who founded the company and he seems
sweet and like you just had bad shits.

Speaker 4 (02:07:12):
Yeah, but it is like, I don't know, buddy, A
camera can't be the.

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
Just but I think the going robot.

Speaker 6 (02:07:19):
I mean, it's just because you're right that this is
something that is going to be more immediately, Like more
women are going to immediately respond negatively to this idea
than men because there's a chunk of men. I'm sure
there's just a smaller number of women too, but there's
a chunk of men who have absolutely no interest in
their own privacy, have absolutely no concerns about privacy, and

(02:07:41):
are shocked and kind of scared when they realize other
people have a sense of privacy. And most of those
guys violation of threat exactly. Yeah, who are Like you
don't want a camera on you at all time? You
don't want a camera on you, like when you're when
you're having sex. That's weird you wouldn't want Yeah, it

(02:08:03):
would be upset if.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
I had a camera in a public space trained on you.

Speaker 6 (02:08:07):
You don't post about how many erections the robots that
you have every night.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
Oh my god, I bet that's it. All right, We're
gonna wrap up. I'm gonna read my favorite name from
the the show floor, Shenzen City Wenzita's Motor Manufacture Co. Limited.
That's a fucking name. Shen Zen Pan Brain Technology Co. Limited.
Hand brain basically like brain brain, like in a head. Yeah,
it's like it's actually a really worrying photo. I don't
know if that's just like a guy sitting there full

(02:08:36):
sleep faster and it looks like a sleep act near mask.
But it just looks like a horrifying thing.

Speaker 4 (02:08:42):
It looks like something that people use in kick Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Yeah, it looks like how the guy in Manhunter was
like towards the anyway, can I tell one more story? Please?
Please please?

Speaker 10 (02:08:51):
Okay, just this is the most useful thing that I'm
gonna leave with, and you can jump into the story
if you want. We went to the Weai Moo booth,
which was mostly just way mo is here, you know,
waymo here it is. But they had a little line
and if you scan your badge and you push a button,
it would dispense a little a little goodie for you.
And first of all, very clearly there's just a person

(02:09:14):
in there.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
And they get a very upset if you suggest otherwise.

Speaker 10 (02:09:18):
Really if you if you say that, they are but
like sometimes you'd scan your thing and then sometimes it
would take like four or five seconds and like the
little pin would like come out at an irregular angle,
like this is a guy back there, and like that's
much cheaper than any other mechanism. And then you take
the little pin and they go, oh, you're a winner.
Everybody was a winner, but like, oh you're a winner.
And then you go to a different guy and they

(02:09:39):
give you a way Mo hat and a little beanie
and tomorrow I'm flying in Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
It's going to be cold, and bring a hat.

Speaker 10 (02:09:45):
So that's Waimo has made my life.

Speaker 3 (02:09:50):
Well advertise for Waymo.

Speaker 10 (02:09:53):
I think it's gonna be pretty clear. It's ironic. Okay,
if my hat says.

Speaker 2 (02:09:56):
We adam my god, I'm so I'm so sorry, I'm.

Speaker 6 (02:10:03):
A little I'm a little tipsy. So for a second
it was unclear to me. I thought you were saying
that Waimo had given you a ticket to Madison, Wisconsin.
I was like, what an incredible advertising.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
Foss stand up to Madison, get in there.

Speaker 4 (02:10:19):
Airplane.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
Yeah, yeah, all right, as we wrap this up and
Adam has to he has to go, Adam, plug your stuff,
plug your shit.

Speaker 10 (02:10:27):
Okay, I'll be well listen the Factually podcast, which sometimes
but I'm gonna be a Madison, Wisconsin docy this weekend,
a comedy on State. Next week, I'll be Fort Wayne
Summer Comedy Club. After that, Louisville, Houston, Texas, and finally
taping a special on at the Punchline in San Francisco
from February nineteenth through twenty first.

Speaker 2 (02:10:48):
Lovely Chloe, why don't you because you do this too?

Speaker 4 (02:10:50):
Yeah, I do this too. This weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:10:51):
I'll be in Cincinnati next week, and I'll be in Washington,
d C. And uh the week after that, not the weekend.
I will be doing my solo show called Cheat in
Philadelphia January twenty twenty one and twenty two, and then
at the end of January, I'll be in Vermont and
then for Collins and then Fargo, going to Fargo.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
Okay, that's all that's gonna be colder than man.

Speaker 4 (02:11:14):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:11:16):
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Paul Adams from Friend of the Show past last year,
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