Breaking Your Friends & Ranking Your Favorite Child w/ Jackie Schimmel

Legendary host of the Bitch Bible podcast JACKIE SCHIMMEL chats with Heather about the worst age for a baby, how to clean a Stanley mug, the FIRST time Jackie was kicked off Instagram, being annoyed with your partner for no justifiable reason, why Jackie loves when her husband gets sick, the cutthroat environment of kindergarten admissions, HOW TO RANK YOUR FAVORITE CHILD, and Jackie's birthday plan to bond with her closest friends over their collective hatred of other people :)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's talk with Heather debro Starts now longtime podcast host
of The Bitch Bible, soon to be your new bitch
of a best friend, Jackie Shimble's here. I'm so excited.
I'm gonna tell you something. Sometimes, you know, when you
wake up in the morning and you're like, shit, what
do I have to do today? I've reframed my thinking,
so I go, what do I get to do today?

(00:25):
And sometimes there's nothing that's good on that list? But
when and I had so much today that I just
was not okay with Yeah, I saw I was going
to get to hug you and talk to you and
see you. I was so happy and I thought, that's
my great thing of the day. I got Jackie Shimble.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Oh that's so sweet. I'm very excited to be here.
It's been too long.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Way too long. We have a lot to catch up.
But hold your son now.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
A year and a half, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I know, that's so wid. That's the worst age, by
the way, is it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I just started to like him. Oh really well, I
started to like him around nine months, okay, and then
I became obsessed with him, I would say around fourteen months. Yeah,
and now the love is starting to subside again because
he's becoming reckless. Yes, he's breaking my shit, yes, which
I don't love.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I would say between fifteen months and three years old,
I want to give them back.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
And then I would then they can come home, right.
I three, there should be a place like you know
how orchids. You ever heard that there's like orchid nurseries
where when the flowers fall off your orchid, you can
bring that stick somewhere while it's endorment, right right. That
is just so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
That is so labor intensive. Time is money, but it's
also stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
I remember my father in law bought me an orgid
once and I felt so bad when the flowers fall
off and it's like a stick. And he told me
about that. He's like, oh, there's a place you can
take it. No. I was like, oh okay, and I'm thinking, shit,
do I have to take it to this place now?
And then he goes, or I'll just get you a
new one, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean they are twelve ninety nine. You could just
get a new one.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
You could just get the new one right, just feels
like a lot. It's a lot of cool.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's a lot of work, so much rif raff.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah so all right, fifteen months, Yeah, that's when they
start to get dangerous.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
He's into candles, which is weird. We don't know why
he likes to touch him, eat him. He is obsessed
with just everything about them. He goes from room to room,
he picks up the candles, he smells them, he wants
to inspect them, and it is really cute. But now
he's also chucking them. Yes, so that's like the new thing.

(02:41):
It used to be just a quick sniff and I
was like, oh my god, maybe he's gonna like move
to Paris and open up like a artis no candle,
Yeah exactly. I'm like, oh my god, this is my kid.
But now it's followed by the chucking and the shattered glass,
and I don't love that. No, it's not great.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
No, that's not not terrivic. Are people doing that really
annoying thing? Do you where they're constantly asking you when
you're having another?

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Everywhere I go, every day, every hour, every second. Somebody
asked me if I was pregnant a few weeks ago,
and I wanted.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
To, I swear kill. Why would anyone ask that?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I wanted the closest sharp object and I wanted to
shanker in her throat?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, I say, are you expecting in the vagina?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
My obliques just showed up again? So how fucking Carrie,
I've been working out? I was so pissed it ruined
my whole fucking day.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Why. Yes, but this is my thing? Why what is
the rush with people? Why is it the soon the
moment you're in a committed relationship, they're looking for the
engagement ring, and the moment you have the ring, when
is the wedding? And at the wedding they're asking you
when you're gonna have children, and then when you have one,
it's when the next one? And then that quickly turns

(03:55):
into isn't that enough?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Like focus on your own fucking life. I don't get
what you do when you do whenever you do it,
So why are you asking me?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Like?

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And by the way, this is what's so level ten
stupid about it is what if God forbid, I was
trying to get pregnant, couldn't and couldn't and was having
fertility issues, and then you got some broken bitch named
Brittany asking you when you're gonna have your next kid.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Always Brittany.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
It's always a Brittany with an eye or Ashley with
an eig h Ashley, or with two e's.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, two e's.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
That's a whole other problem.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
And a heart at a trademark.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And nail art so bad?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Do you have a lot of friends? I have, cause
before we get into that, we have to talk about
your Stanley game.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm so sorry, Mary, you are.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Not a You're not a Stanley cup. What happened? Jaggie?

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know I have this alter ego and she just
came to me like a few weeks ago. I got
a glimpse of myself in the mirror and I was
wearing like my work and I had like a pilate
sock on with a slide. They were Selene, but they
look like Burken socks.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Don't you love the pilate slide. It's added a lot
to my wardrobe. I enjoy it like you can't believe.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
And I never hurt the sock song.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It turns me on. I love it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I know it's a lie. Anywhere me too, anywhere I
love them me you do pilates every day, me too,
every day.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Do you do the hot mat or just the reformer?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I just do the reformer.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
I do the hot mat as well. You have to
meet me okay, far, but we have to meet me
at the hot net close at the Beverly Glen Center.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
The hot matt thing. Are you sweating, yes, I don't
really like to sweat.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Very much, but it's more of a glow.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay, a glisten.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
And you're so skinny when you walk in.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Okay, then I'll roll through because I do like that feeling.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, we're going to go back to that. Let's finish
your Stanley Cup. Your alter ego.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Her name is Jerika. I don't know why it's Jessica Erica.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I looked at myself and I'm like, I'm disgusting. I
was wearing a cross body bag.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, stop right there.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I was going antiquing. I'm like, I need my hands
for amble to put on this cross body bag. And
then I was wearing the slides and the socks and
like the aloe set. My hair was in a scrung sheet.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Did it match?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
It match? Yeah? And then I had this Stanley Cup.
Which someone bought me when I gave birth and it's
just followed me ever since. Then.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
They put wine in vodka. Good.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I did have a martini right after giving birth and
it was amazing. My friend brought the shaker and a
crystal glass and like a full bar. Kid.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
That's a friend. That's a real sushi too.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I didn't have sushi because I had sushi while I
was pregnant.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
You why not?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I mean, on the edge, slide into my DMS. He's fine,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
He's got to go to therapy for something. And then
you had sushi.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, mercury poisoning. He's fine. And now it's just I
just use it.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You take it every time. But are you not much?
Do you have like a bad for the environment straw
in there?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I always point out, yes, the turtles.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, And then my question is how does one clean
this thing? Because that's why I can't. I have some.
I never got the Stanley, but I do have this
really cute My girlfriend Dina bought me a door oh
cute water bottle.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Cute.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
And then at Forma where I go, they did a
thing with seleneh. So I have this really cute selene
water bottle.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I saw that Selene water bottle and I was like,
how many drinks is it going to take for me
to be like I need a Selene water bottle?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Let me tell you need it?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Do need? It?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Matches your slides? O?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh my god? Can you imagine I roll through and
pilates with a fucking Selene water bottle cross body?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
No, yeah, I was gonna say, you need the sling
to wear a crossbody. You have to. Jericka needs that
for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Jarret would never, Jackie would, Jericha would never. How do
we clean?

Speaker 1 (07:54):
How do you clean it? I don't like it, and.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't personally, Oh do.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You do every day you go home and what do
you do? You rinse it?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I leave it in the sink? If I'm being honest, that.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Is there someone n.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I don't want to live a lie on Heather Debroe's world.
You know we're not doing that.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
There's a housekeeper that's cleaning it. Yeah, that's okay. By
the way, love of my life, gratitude on steroids, and
you're so lucky. I love that.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yes, we love her.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
We do a thing. Here's a tip from HD Okay.
So I was trying to get rid of plastic in
our last house, and we had a winter as she
SIPs through her straw, fuck the turtles. So we were
in our old house and we had this filtration system, right.
So it was a beautiful water system that you could
fill your water bottles up with, but you still have

(08:46):
to clean the water bottles. And it became a running
joke with my kids and their friends that our water
bottles always tasted like soap.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yes, I haven't encountered that problem in my home as well. Okay,
I bought the glass bottles. I thought it was like
a cute thing with the Mountain Valley water delivery. Yes,
and they always have a little bubbles in them.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
They have a little residue. So here's the trick. You
use baby soap.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Oh, and I have that? Yes, Why didn't I think
of that?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's already in your house. You use baby soap and
there's no bubbles. Good, and it cleans it and it's mild,
and it doesn't taste like soap.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
It doesn't taste like ASoP dish cleaner.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Now does that mean it actually doesn't clean it? Probably?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm okay with that, But I'm.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay with it because it's the it's the appearance of cleanliness.
It's the idea that someone is going through the motion
of cleaning it.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
There's definitely some macha residue in Jerica's cup. There's like stainish.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Jerica drinks macha as well.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
She does, she loves it.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Can you explain the macha to me? Because I don't
get it green. First of all, I've just recently decided
I like the color green. Okay, it's the color of money.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, and which taga green.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
And the botaga green is nice. It is nice, and
so Van cleave green is nice as well. Yes, this
is not a relatable section of our show. No, but
let's bring it back to the macha. Yes, macha to me,
it's not my vibe. It's truly it's earthy, grassy, it's grassy.
Why do you like the macha? Is it one of
those things that someone has told you you must like
because it's gonna grow your hair or make your skin better. No.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I feel like I'm the person that's been telling everybody
else that for years. I have been drinking macha before
it was the.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Thing, before macha was mucha before.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
It was machag. Yes, why I don't drink coffee. I
don't love caffeine, Okay. I started drinking it so long ago,
and I did feel like it was the only way
that I could consume water. And I do think it's
really good for skin.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Okay, speaking of skin, Oh, we have to go back
to the fact you have no friends. But speaking of skin,
ye don't. I don't want to forget that part. Speaking
of skin, Your skin is insane. Thanks. Oh wait, let's spray.
Do you make up them? I do? Okay, this is
my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (11:08):
This is just a little lamaire refreshy.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
And what I'll tell you is we like this. We
love this. And I am zero to one hundred. So
I either have a full face beat or there is
nothing on my face.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I am very much so with you. I'm not full
face beat because I don't have a reason to have
a full face beat.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
But and you're young and you really don't need it,
but I do.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I prefer wearing nothing on the face. I feel like
fresh and clean, it's so good. And the skin, I
feel like it's so good for your skin.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Me too. And you know, you and I are both
blessed with good skin, which is nice. But what I
find with this little lamaire, it's just called the miss.
It makes me feel like, you know, at the grocery store,
you know, all the food, the produce looks lovely, and
it's being missed all day. That's my theory. Okay, that's
I'm just gonna missed my face all day, like I'm

(12:02):
in the produce section. Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yes, okay, I'm with you on you like that.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
So let's talk about this before we get to the
fact that you have no.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Friends, right, yeah, can't for you.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Your videos when you do your podcast are so fucking close.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I know, I know, I am so sorry.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
In the same time, I'm obsessed with how close it is,
and I love it for you because you have no
pores and your skin is so beautiful, and I love
looking at you that close. No, but I also it
gives me so much anxiety because I think I don't
want anyone looking at me that close. Terry just had

(12:47):
his other catteract done today and I'm horrified. But he's
gonna He's gonna see perfectly. Now. This is terrible.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
He should be so lucky to get a zoom and
shot of you, but the camera angles for me. I'm
hoping that if I just can't figure it out, they'll
eventually like make me or not make me do the videos.
Because I hate the videos.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Why they're so good, I just it's not my thing.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
It took me about four months to get used to
the camera, and I started like acting like Valerie Cherish,
like like I just I don't like it. I started
twelve years ago just with a mic in a closet somewhere,
and now being aware of the camera. It fucks up
my flow a little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
That's why I don't like to watch myself on TV.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah I can imagine, like it would. It just trips
me up. And every week I'm like, you know what,
We're going to put some concealer on and we're gonna
let these hoes know what time it is. Because I'm
not a total dog in these videos, I look like gollum.
I look like I crawled out of the ground.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
You look amazing.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
No, no, no, it's not. Sometimes it's better than others,
But the majority of the time I look at these videos,
I'm like, what what happened? Did I just like escape
from Alcatraz? I Wow, so busted? But see and that's okay.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
I love the fact that you're like, twelve years ago,
I just started with this microphone and I just did
my thing. And that's why what you do works, and
that's why you're successful is because it's authentic.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
My concern for the future, Oh okay, is that you're like,
oh they were there, No more compliments. Now you're very
you're very talented. No, it's true, but you and I've
said it for years. I mean, I don't even remember
how I found you, but I remember finding you and
being like, she's so funny, and we're like, do you
maybe posted something about me? I did?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Is that how we met before I had a podcast? Yeah? Yeah,
oh so long ago?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, so long ago, and we just like became friends. Yes. So,
but I love it and and what I try to
tell people because it's so odd to me that now.
And you know, I have two kids in college and
one that just got into college. A lot of their
friends that I heard when them going through high school
and whatnot, they want to be influencers, podcasters, influencers. That

(15:10):
is a career path. Now. I know.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It's really weird because I don't even know if I identify,
I mean, as an influence.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Do you identify as an influence.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I do not. I won't wear that. I wouldn't say
that I'm an influencer.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Really, but you do, in fact influence people.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I perhaps here and there when I need to buy
a bag, or you know, I've got something coming up, Like,
I'll partake in the influenza lifestyle and practices. But I
when I started a podcast, I didn't have an Instagram. No,
I didn't have any social Instagram.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
E Yes, it did, yes, just barely not.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I started, Yes, it did?

Speaker 1 (15:51):
You started twelve years ago? I started Housewives fourteen? All right.
My youngest child was nine months old when I started
Housewives and he's almost fourteen and a half. Wow. And
Instagram was new wow when I started.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, so then it must have existed.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
It was, but it was a fledgling. Yeah, social media.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I didn't have it.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
People were still just on Facebook.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I had a BlackBerry, so I did not have.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
I never even had a BlackBerry. Oh, I missed that
phase entirely. Wow, it wasn't my I'm glamorous, I'm not technological.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So would you go from like Nokia brick to iPhone basically?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Whoa? Yeah, okay, I was one of those that had
that flip phone that I would type, you know you
have to when you were texting, you'd go abc.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
D Yeah yeah you went No, Kia Brick totally did.
That's a vibe?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
I know. Do you go to like influenceer type things
I have like Amazon's in Cabo. Is Jackie Shimmel or
Jeriica there?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Jericho would be like the first in line. I have
gone to one.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
How'd that go?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I was kicked off Instagram six hours in why because
I called my friend Heather McMahon a whore and they.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Wait, I saw this?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Did you tale as old as time?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
No? No, wait, wasn't this? Said Heather show? No?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
So I went to a influencer retreat okay at Noboo Malibu,
which was like fifteen minutes from my house.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I was like, of course, of course and by the way,
Nobu Malibu say less?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
I know, right, and like two nights in Malibu with
some of my girlfriends and I get paid and I
get to go have like an omacass dinner sign my
ass up, had no kids. I was packed and ready
to go, right. So I call my friend Heather who
lives in Atlanta, and I was like, you have to
come with me, like they want you, let's go. Morgan Stewart,
who's a friend of mine, I was like, pack your bags,

(17:48):
we're all going to Malibu. We're getting paid, we're having sushi,
were talking shit, and we're drinking.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Right done, perfect love it.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I had never been on one of these things before.
I was basic, like barely there. I was only asked
to go so that I could get other people there.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Oh, you were the conduit.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I was one hundred percent creating. I was curating the
guest list. I was getting people to come, and then
six hours in, I'm on the beach. I don't know
what we're supposed to do. I'm unaware that we're supposed
to be.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Like, you did your job, you got people there.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I got people there. They put me in the broom closet.
I was in the worst room at the whole hotel
because I was barely there. Okay, I remember an hour
in I made a joke about plastic straws. Upset a
lot of the influencers. They were like, this bitch blacklisted.
They wouldn't get picked. They were like, we hate her.
I was fine, whatever, I'm having a good time. We
were at the dinner and I made a joke on

(18:43):
Instagram with Heather, who's one of my closest friends, and
I'm like this dumb horse, you know, something like that.
And it was when they were changing all the policy guidelines,
like and they were really cracking down and they're over
that now, just so you know, Oh, are they apparently selective?
Swasta kaus? Are okay though?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's a lot looser.
It's a little loose. You want to hile hit Larry,
go for it, you go dumb horror? Maybe not?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, that's not okay. So I within hours was completely deleted,
deactivated for three months, got kicked off.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah whoa.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
And then it happened to another couple of times.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
So you just don't learn.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, just keep sticking that hand in the fire.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
So I'm assuming you didn't make any friends there, No,
I did not. How did you meet Heather McMahon? I
love her?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Oh God, I love her.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
So I feel like we've DMed each other.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
She's the best. I met her through podcasting. She came
on my podcast and we just trauma bonded and like
became very close friends. Isn't that nice, so nice.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's been one of the best things about podcasting for
so long. I have to say, you really do realize,
like you find a tribe.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Oh totally. And it's kind of instant because I've had
I don't have a lot of guests, but I know
within thirteen seconds if I'm like, this is my girl,
or like I do not fuck with you, and I'll
pretend for the sake of an episode for forty five
minutes that we're getting along. Yeah, great, but like we're good.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Isn't it funny? You have sometimes you'll have someone on
the show and you're you think this is going to
be so great, this is going to kill it, and
you're like, oh my god, when what the why is
the clock ticking? Like I'm in biology class right before
spring break? Like what is going on inful and I
blood from a stone?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Oh it's so hard, so hard. And then you see
them being celebrated for being such a hoot and a half,
and you're like, if you only knew the struggle, only
knew one day.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
One day. Let's go back to the fact you have
no friends. Yeah, so do you really not have a friend?

Speaker 2 (20:47):
So I disappointingly have more friends than people would expect.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Really, yeah, how does how do you get friends?

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I have had the same friends.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Like high school friends. Where did you grow up?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I grew up in La Okay suburbs, yah La. I
have had the same friends forever. I'm talking like elementary
school friends.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
And like, a that's a big that's a big California thing.
I have to say. I've noticed like people that grow
up here, my kids included, Yeah, they have like what
like huge I'm from New York, does you know?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, it's different.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
It don't roll like that.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
I mean, yeah, totally. I have had the same not
a ton, but I have like a group of friends
I would say six or seven since I was like
in elementary school.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Really yeah, And do you find that because I do think.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I love it so much. I find it to be
so comforting. I just I can't be that big of
an asshole if I've maintained all these relationships all these years.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Are they just using you now for your free things?
Because you're an influencer?

Speaker 2 (21:52):
You just want to skincare products and the you know.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Do you need another person to go to Malibu?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
No? I just I identify as the asshole in my
friend group, Like all of my friends are like so
lovely and wonderful people. I'm I am, I carry the burden.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well, we all need one.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
You have to have one.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
You're the humor and you're the real.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yes, I would say some most of the time. I
love not lovely, but no, but it's true. It's honest.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I like when you shit talk Andrew like. It cracks
me up, of course, And I like when you chit
talk your kid like it makes me happy because I
know you love them both immeasurably. Yeah, but it's just
the truth of what it's like to be married, and
it's the truth of what it's like to be a mom.

(22:42):
I mean, we were in the car the other day. Hey,
we're going to dinner, and we were in an uber
and it's Terry and me and Ace and Terry he
is those fucking AirPods. Man, they are like hermetically glu
sealed in his ears wherever we are, Like, he doesn't
need to talk to me on the way to the
restaurant because we're going to spend all this time together.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
So he's like, you want to save talking points?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Okay, I mean it's been almost thirty years, I am,
we've never run out of conversation. I don't think it's
a I don't think it's a big gamble. But okay,
obviously he needs to watch a few more cat videos
or something before we get there, so he'll put in
the air pods, and Ace and I are sitting there
talking and like, he.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Breathes so heavy, so annoying, and there's no ambient music on,
and he's just breathing and he doesn't even realize how
loud it is because he's got his air pods in
and he's watching whatever he's watching, and he's cracking up
at whatever he's watching and doing his whole thing gracefully.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Annoyer and me and.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
He's to look at each other and I and the
other day I was like, he's breathing, and he goes,
you married him.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's true. We have the right to wake up. I
said this to Andrew three days ago. He did nothing wrong,
nothing wrong. He was asleep when I woke up, and
I just woke up so genuinely annoyed by his presence
in the home. You know what I mean? Like sharing,
it's it blows my mind. Sharing my beautiful curated space

(24:13):
with him drives me fucking insane. Some days, like the
fact that I have to sit down at the end
of the day and we have to agree on something
to watch together, which very rarely happens because we kind
of usually go off into our own quadrantes because I
need to recalibrate, he needs to recalibrate. But you know,
once in a while, I'm like, maybe we should watch

(24:34):
something together.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, we try to in unison.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
You know, and then we got to go back and
forth and agree on something, and then he wants to
like tickle, like he wants to like hold hands sometimes,
and it's he's so clingy and needy and he's like
the chick in the relationship. He's just more affectionate than
I am. Like he's a I always say that I'm
a cactus, and he's like a discount hydrator. He needs

(24:58):
a lot of like physical that's his lovelength.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Oh that's sweet.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
He wants to like he always wants to hold hands,
and it's just sweet. I do not get it, you
know what I mean. I'm like, Oh, we're sweating and
we're holding hands, and I'm sure everyone's gonna, you know,
send me a DM being like, oh, you're awful. Whatever.
I don't care. And I just woke up and I
was like, his presence in the home is annoying me

(25:23):
and irking me to my core. And I don't have
a reason for it.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
So what do you what do you do with that?

Speaker 2 (25:28):
I just I allow it to take over and I'm
pretty vocal about it. And he thinks it's funny, like
he's so not sensitive.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Thank god, good? All right?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
He is. He is a silent, strong type, so like
he's not a pussy, he's not a pushover at all.
He just thinks I'm crazy and he just and he
loves it. He just like doesn't care, you know what
I mean. He's like, okay, weirdo. Like, and I'm just like,
you're you're just bugging me.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Everything and you just say that to him of course
you're bugging me.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yes, He's like, why I didn't do anything. I'm like,
I don't know. It just these this is my truth.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Do you sleep together every night or do you have
a sleep divorce? No?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Every night?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Every night? Yeah? Would you ever? You know what a
sleep divorce is?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
When you sleep in separate bedrooms.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
It's like a very amicable like we love each other,
but we just don't like if there's sexy time happening. Fine,
but if not, we don't sleep together.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
That would not fly for Andrew.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Would it fly for you? I feel like you said
recently or a few months ago, or something you were
talking about, maybe.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Like I like when he's sick and I summon him
to the other side of the house, like I love it.
I love when he's sick, when he's like got some ailment,
I uster him.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
He was handling the baby and you got to be alone,
and then he brought the baby in. Oh that was
so annoying to me.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I an he whined his mommy. I'm like, are you
fucking kidding me? Right now?

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I want you to know I hated Andrew in that moment.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
How could you not?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Oh? I did, because I've been there.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh it's your turn, take them away.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Take it, take it. He has enough time with mom.
We're good. Check the box.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
So manipulative.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, here's what I need to know. Because you have
this same group of friends, and obviously you've accumulated other
friends since you identify as a podcaster, So you have
accumulated these guest friends. Sure, yes, yeah, and these other
people that you find in your life. Have you encountered

(27:31):
the mom friends.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So I am very lucky that all of my best
girlfriends we all had babies around the same time.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Are these the childhood friends? No, these more current friends.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Were current adult, past fifteen years friends. Okay, so we
all had babies within like six months of each other.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
So my friend friends are now also my mom friends.
I have not made any external mom friends. That's great,
and that is by clear concise design. Because the bitches
are sniffing around. They're like sharks in the water, and
I'm I'm being poached. I'm being ripped limb to limb
by these broken Jerika adjacent bitches.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
At the jim Beree.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh, I stopped going Where do you go? I used
to go to Well, we don't go here anymore. I
used to go to this place in calabasas a little
mommy and me jim thing. I was there about three
or four times, and I thought, this is a dangerous
social situation for me. So I'm gonna because I was.
I was getting asked to exchange numbers, I was getting
asked for the music class.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
It's desperate. I was getting lonely.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
The mommy the wine happy hour to talk about kids.
I don't want a participate.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
You have enough friends.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I have enough friends. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Okay, I'm gonna tell you hard.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I want to clown with these with these women, you know,
I don't want to be like a circus gester.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
No, I know. And it's hard because you know when
you meet new friends as women, yes, we date each other, yes,
So it's like having first dates and and you know
how like you have couple dates where it's so hard
for you and and one of the members of the
couple to get like if it's like two heterosexual couples

(29:09):
like you and the other woman, and the guys have
to like each other. Also, it's a very very difficult thing.
It's hard to find a couple friend right when it's
the parent child. You have to like the parent and
the kids have to get along, right, it's a whole
other ball of wax.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
And it's a crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
But I want to warn you about something. Oh, if
you're a group of friends and this is just the truth,
because well, let me ask you this question. First, are
you all going to be in the same public school
because you live in like a beautiful little community and
they're all going the same place? Or are you vying
for spots at the private school.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Okay, so this is very topical for me because I
was not aware, Oh yeah, that I had to start
gunning for the preschools.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
You're late right now.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
So I've gone on a few interviews, okay, and I've
already been asked for three separate donations. Yes, and I
have two more tours. The fact that I have to
be interviewed and accepted. You're talking to someone that didn't
go to college.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I am like I got him into one school. I
had to wore out Andrew and say that he would
come and do like music lessons, bring the instruments. That's
an angle I had, like it.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
That's great. Terry comes in and he does medical things
for the kids. Great. Oh yeah. He brings in a chicken,
he pretends it fell, he gets a cut, he sews
it up for them.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Amazing. So you have something to offer, besides, you got
to diversify. Donations are not enough, Allegedly, you have to
bring something to the table to the community.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's like applying to college.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It's a whole fucking thing, and nobody it's about you, right,
I know. I was being like inspected by this woman,
and I was like, are you what is going on?
Like my kids eating glue? Like I have to be accepted?
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (30:58):
So it's do you know that my child is into
a roma therapy. He enjoys candles, he's going to seek.
He can differentiate between the difference between bath.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
And body, the salt and stone. He likes the kurd on.
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Joe Malone is in his favorite exactly.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Too accessible to the masses, it's so wild.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yes, and then what are the conversations that you and
said girlfriend group with children? How are you all discussing this?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Okay, so I don't we're talking about preschool. We're talking
about preschool. So one of my girlfriends is like, homeschool adjacent,
she doesn't want to send her kid to pre school.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Brilliant, she'll be your best.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
So I'm like, okay, you're good.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
My other best friend, she travels a lot. They're a
music family. They go on tour. This that the other thing.
She's got her kids in private school in Nashville. Okay,
so that's taken.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Care of great.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
So I have a clear window, like I'm good, Okay,
we're not vying for the spot.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
All right, good, that's excellent. But I will tell you
you will pick up more mom friends, and I will
tell you it is unfortunate. Preschools okay, you get them
in there, But the big thing is kindergarten. Okay, unless
your preschool goes into the school, which is brilliant if
you found a school like that. But I'm seeing.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Don't.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yes, So I'm going to tell you about kindergarten. Kindergarten.
Now you know I have four children. I've already gotten
three into college, so this is good advice. Getting your
kids into kindergarten is the worst experience ever.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Okay, great ever? Got it?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
It is horrible. You will cry.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Because you're just leaving them for much longer than.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
No, I don't care. Take them for two weeks.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Do they do boarding school?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
No? I'm telling you because the getting them into kindergarten
is so difficult, like where you're going in through preschool.
Now you think that's bad. Now, when you go to kindergarten,
they assess your child, they taken they they go there
for the day and they quote play games with them
and it's really fun. It's not fun. It's an evaluation

(33:10):
and they're watching your kid throw his candle across the
room and eat the glue and punch whatever this kid
over there, and it is and it is so crazy.
And everyone gets their kids all dressed up, and all
the mothers like stand in this room with their kids
waiting for them to be taken and the emotions are palpable,

(33:30):
the stress, and they're okay.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Bye, okay, have fun, have a great day for yourself. Yeah,
that's version of yourself.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
And they go in and they come out a stud
as You're like, how about it? What they do, what
they say to you, and it is so crazy. And
I had twins, so I had to get two of
them in and they did not get into the school
that I wanted them to go to. One was flat
out rejected and the other one was put on a
wait list. And I bawled my eyes out. And all
the women, some of them that did immediately get in
and whatever, we're like, oh, I'm sure, sure it'll be fine.

(34:02):
Sure they'll end up smug at a decent college. They
won't have to go to community I mean, but it's
really that insane, and the like the what's the word
I'm looking for? The pleasure and the and the I
mean the bragging rights and the like the politics school
and the attitude of the mothers whose children got in

(34:25):
is so insane.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
It's gross.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
It's so gross. But I'm gonna tell you something. They
didn't get into that school. They ended up going to
this other school that I thought was so schleppy and
I hated and my husband loved it. He's like, no,
they teach by Socratic method, it's really basic. It's cool.
My son ended up staying there. My daughter ended up
transferring to later whatever. They went to different schools till
eighth grade, and then they ended up going to the

(34:50):
same high school. Now they're both at great colleges. My
third daughter ended up at one of the schools that,
you know, whatever they've been and then we moved back
to LA Like, they've been to a number of school
right right, there's no bad school. They're gonna do great everywhere.
They will be fine. I'm telling you this story because
I want you to not have a terrible time when

(35:11):
you apply to kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I mean, me and my husband, like, I didn't graduate
high school technically, so we're hardly like the family of academias.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
But It's different when it's your kid, because you don't
want someone I get it, but you don't want someone
telling you that your child is not good enough.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh no, I would key their car. I'd be like,
how dare you? You should be so lucky? Yes, lucky. Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
When my son didn't get into this other school, I
remember the one my son's gonna kill me, But I
remember the admissions woman. She said, you know, Heather, someday
he's gonna surprise you, and like, oh my god, and
winked at me, and I thought, you are such a
fucking asshole. Yeah, and I will tell you. I mean,

(35:57):
this kid is like like the best kid ever and
thriving and that is real estate license as a freshman
in college, just like you know, working already and in
college and just studied in Italy and like who are you?
Who is that school? So this is my advice.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I refuse to be judged by an academic institution.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Do not do it. And no matter what happens, wherever
they go, it is fine.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Also, on a personal note, after that horrible kindergarten thing,
I said, I'm never suffering this again. So I told
all my children, you have resources I'm going to get
you a private guidance counselor you have access to tutors.
I am not going to suffer this. I will be
your cheerleader. I will be your friend. I will be
your parent. I will You could bounce things off me,
but I'm not suffering this. Do you want to options study,

(36:46):
use your resources? If not, go to you know, vocational school.
That's okay too. Just be happy. I don't care. But
I am not getting an ulcer because of.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
This, right, I totally am with you.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
I'm going to get an ulswer about something else.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Something else, but not this, not this. Nope, no, not
on my watch. I'm with you. I'm not a hovercraft parent,
so I'm like, you know, spread your wings, fly, eat
the glue, sniff the candles, do it all, do it all.
Don't care.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So okay, So when does he go to preschool?

Speaker 2 (37:16):
He'll go probably, there's some schools he can start at
to some schools he can start at two and a half.
He's in a little monassory thing right now, which is
basically a glorified barn. They raise chickens, they get they garden.
He's growing microgreens.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I think it's so good. To socialize them totally as
early as possible.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Totally.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I think it's great. Yeah, can I see a picture
of him? He is I'm mean, Oh my god, he's you. Yeah,
he's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
He's gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Look at those eyes.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I can't I can't physically take him.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I have to tell you. So, my firstborn son looked
like that, with those old cheeks, blonde blonde hair, blue eyes,
and he always sucked two fingers. That's what he does.
And random he's twenty one. I will just send him
one of those photos he had this little lion. Oh,
there's nothing more delicious, I know than a little boy.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
They're the best.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I mean, I love all of my kids equally, I
really do. I don't have a favorite. Terry does, but
I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Okay, yeah, that's good to.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, I don't have a favorite, but I mean my
favorite rotates right depending on what's going on. Like like,
Nikki's been my favorite for a little bit, and then
he pissed me off the other day because we were
on the phone. It irritated me. And right now Ace
is my favorite. Yeah, because we had a great day
yesterday and it's so much fun.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I think it's good to have a ranking system.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
It's also good to have choices. So I don't know
if you're gonna have more children, but I highly recommend it.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I'm gonna have probably one more.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, just so that there's a you know, there's a
conversational third, there's an alternate in case one's bugging you
for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I think that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Spare is a good plan.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Okay, yeah, eventually, So what are.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
The plans with the podcast and what do you kind
of like what's next?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'd like to do it as long as humanly possible. Yeah,
I'm not. I'm not that girl that's like looking for
the next thing, you know. I feel like everyone is,
especially in my little corner of the internet. I feel
like everyone's always like looking for like, what's next, what
do we do next? I'm good. It's not lovely to say,

(39:15):
but if I could just podcast for the rest of
my life, I'd be very happy. Well, think as long
as humanly possible.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
No, I think you can. Yeah, but what about doing
it as like a linear.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Show, like a television show, a television show.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
No, no, no never, never. Didn't you have a didn't
you do a viilot? No?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I've done quite a few pilots, and I've decomposed during
every single one.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Why don't you like that I am not built for television?
Because why it's not in my soul or my spirit. Okay,
it's just not. I have been asked many times. I've
done it here and there. I have not enjoyed the experience.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's so interesting. I would think you'd enjoy.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It's most people do, and I do not at all
in my soul. It's not for me.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Huh, I know it's weird.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
But writing more books, I will write a book. Yeah,
I will write a book.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
If I had a book.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, I've been writing it for a really long time.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Maybe we should just talked about it. Thank you so
much about it, Like you did have a book.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I've missed a few deadlines, and by a few, I
mean like years and years of deadlines.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So you should have a book. You should have the pitch.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Bible there, it was there for a while. Yeah, and
we just and touring, touring. I will eventually do again.
I toured. I think that my tour started coronavirus in
twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
The timing doesn't really like work out. And then I
haven't toured since, so I'm probably going to tour in
the next year.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah, I think you should.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I'm ready for it again. I hated it the first time.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Well, so you know what, It's funny. I did it
a little bit, and I had sort of a love
hate why.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I was not like when I do the podcast, I
don't prepare anything, so I just like it's second nature.
I could be on horse tranquilizers. You give me a
microphone in forty five minutes on the clock, and I'm
going to give you a banger of an episode. Okay,
but I'd like.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
To see one of them on horse dranglers.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
All of twenty twenty. You can listen to any of those,
and that's about what's happening. I The touring experience was
very difficult for me to metabolize because I don't take
myself seriously enough to stand on a stage and like
perform in theory, you know what I mean. So going

(41:36):
out there and like just the whole like exchange, I
just I wasn't ready for it. I wasn't having fun.
I didn't know what I was doing. There weren't a
lot of like podcast tours at that time, so I
didn't really have like a road map.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, there was no footprint. Yeah, that's how I felt too.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
It felt inauthentic because I was kind of doing like
the same shtick every night, and I just like, I'm
not a comedian, I don't do stand up, I'm not
an actor, I'm not a television personality. So trying to
like emulate a little bit of all of those things
on a stage, and it was it was very uncomfortable
for me.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
That's so interesting, I am. I mean, I sort of
feel the same way I have done all those things,
so I like performing and it's very comfortable for me.
I for me, I had such anxiety about putting the
show together because I thought, is it? I kept going
is that enough?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah? Yeah, oh totally. Because you're like, people are paying,
how is this different than what they could like consume
on an app?

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Right? Exactly right, And you're already listening, So now you're
just looking at me saying those things. And then then
I have to say, like I do look sometimes at
people's podcast tours, and I get embarrassed for that.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Sure, Oh yeah, have you.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Seen some of them? Oh yes, I have like lip
syncing and.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
There's a lot of there's a lot of tap dancing. Yeah,
tap dancing for their lives. You know, everyone is just
bleeding out. It feels like the talents are just scraping.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, it's a lot, and I just feel like, yeah,
I don't know, I would like to do it again.
But I think if I did it again, what I
would enjoy more. I think is instead of doing my
own podcast tour, I think I would maybe I'm just
coming up with this now, maybe I would enjoy touring
with like a bunch of women, yes, like, yeah, maybe

(43:37):
a few of us that have yeah, like put a
few women together that have successful podcasts and like do
it together so everyone's got their own time and then
we all do something together so it doesn't feel like
the onus is on you so much.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, totally. I feel like I might enjoy that one
hundred percent. Yeah. And then the audience is getting more
more right.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
And then there's like more merch for everyone to buy,
and that made me uncomfortable too, Like am I selling merch?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Oh gosh, yes, Like what about like with your face
on it?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Like no, I just was in a merch meeting and
I'm like, do you think like my friends would never
speak to me again. If my face was on a
T shirt, if I sold shirts with my face on it,
no one I would get blocked. My friends would never me.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
No, but I wouldn't put your face on things. But
I feel like some of like your sayings and stuff
would be very, very funny.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Even that makes me like my throat clothes up. But
like I'll I could lean into that, but I just cannot. Like,
I'm not selling Stanley Kuzy's face on it, you know
what I mean, We're not doing that. Let's see now,
athetic Now I like that we should.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
I think you actually needed Jericha Kuzzi now everybody needs one.
Now I kind of want one for my get you,
But I'm going to put it on my Selene bottle
and one of those Stanley You can't. I can't. I
just I can't even look at the bottom of it
that fits into the cup holder. It just hurts my soul.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
If we ever see Heather Debro with a Stanley, you
have to call the cops.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
It's never ever ever going to happen.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Good.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Why do you think kids should be able to smoke?
By the way, did I say that? Yes? I was joking.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I do think smoking is very glamorous.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
It is. I missmoking. I just said this last night, right.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I never smoked, No, never, so boring, but I would
love to start.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I smoked from a young age, but I quit when
I was thirty one, I think, so it was a
long time ago. I loved it. I had a cigarette
holder that I took to the prom with me. Oh
and then my mother confiscated. Gorgeous. It was fabulous.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It's so fabulous.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
It's so elegant smoke. Remember those posters they would say
smoking is glamorous. It was like an old like wrinkled man, Like,
why is that the poster?

Speaker 2 (45:55):
No, it's bad marketing. It is so cool, it's so cool.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It by chance they found out smoking was good for you.
I would start again tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Me too, Oh, me too. Yes, we love it.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
So you never smoked? So what are your vices?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I shop a lot. Yeah, I'm a big shopper.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
It gives me. I don't know, it fills a void
in my soul. And I mean I drink. I drink,
and I shop drinking shopping.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
And I'm like, I say terrible things on a microphone
assumption every week. I say awful things like children should
start smoking and then have no recollection. I would say
that's a pretty good vice.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
When do you have time to watch TV?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
I make a lot of time every evening, and I'm
like pretty exclusive with reruns of Housewives. I love. I
need to know what's coming. I need to know it's coming.
I watch the new seasons as well, but I love
are rewatched.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
What are your what are.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Your hyper okay all of them? I have certain hyper fixations, Okay, Roney,
just forever, because like newcast or old cast, old casts?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Do you watch the new one? I do?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I watch I watch it like I yearn for the
nostalgia of Ramona Singer and like a Pucci skirt, you
know what I mean, with her Banks, with her Cameron
Diaz Banks. I watch Old Orange County all the time.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Old meaning when I was on or even older.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
From the beginning to your first seasons to the Shannon
other dynamic, which I really just love so very much.
I'm hyper fixated on Gretchen Rossi's home decor, very the
z gallery sconces, the her little bedside tables, She's got
the little waiter in the I mean, like I can't

(47:50):
get enough Jeff's armoir. What is it for the Jeff's
Jeff's hutch, right with the china and the window treatments
in her kitchen? I mean, I just I could not
cannot get over it.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
I love it, Yeah, I love it. And what about BH.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Beverly Hills too, I'll yeah, those are probably like the
Holy Trinity for me.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I watched none of it.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I watch our show because I have to, right, because
I have to see what's going on. But I never
watched before I joined the show, okay, And I didn't
watch while I was gone. Okay, so I don't have
those gaps.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
So is that by clear and concise design? Or is
that because you have a life?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Well, okay, I mean I think that I didn't. When
I joined the show, I didn't watch it because I thought,
you know what, I don't think that's fair. Let me
meet someone where they are now, right Because I joined
in season seven? Yes, and I thought, I don't know,
people are allowed to change, and let me make my
own opinions of who everyone is. So that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Do you feel like you, in hindsight made fair assessments
of everyone based on no previous knowledge.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Probably I think so too, Yeah, I think so. Yeah,
And then I don't watch the other franchises. Well, that's
not exactly true. I've watched an episode, not maybe a
whole episode, but things here are in there. I did
watch the first season of Beverly Hills because we were
friends with Paul Nassaf and Adrian maloof so we knew
them before they got.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Married with her hair tensil.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah, yes, with the tinsil. So it was like, oh
my god, Paul and Adrian are doing a reality show,
let's watch it. So we watched it, and you know,
and I thought it was fun and great and yeah,
all those things. But then I joined the show and
then it was weird, and then I didn't want to
watch it anymore. And now I'm friends with so many
of them that I'd rather just be friends with them

(49:41):
and not know what the drama is. Like I will
run into one of them, or I'll have lunch with
someone from Beverly Hills or whatever, and something will come
up about something that happened on the show, and I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
That must be refreshing though to them or to me. Actually,
probably not to them. They probably wish that you watched
all of those episodes maybe but refreshed for you.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, I like it. I don't want to know.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
So you have no knowledge of the skytops.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I do know what this from OC. I do know
what the skytops are, because.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Thanks God, if you're not part of that, no, I
don't think I would ever be never, you would never listen.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I remember when I joined the show, there was not
a lot of designer stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I know, I know, it was a very different era.
There are no Stanley cups and there was no skytops.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
No, there were no skytops. I remember when Tamar brought
bought her first Chanel bag.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And like Tamor's really smart with her money. Yeah she is.
She is a good investor, she saves her money. She
is not a frivolous like she has nice things and
she's a really nice taste. Like her home is really pretty,
and she does a really good job. But she'll do
a lot of the DIY stuff. She does it herself. Yeah,
I guess that's the why and the DIY, right, But

(50:53):
she does. You know, she's good at all that. But like
she was always really pragmatic, still is, and so I
remember she wanted this Chanel bag and she bought it
from I think the real real I can't remember, but
you know, she still has it. She takes care of it,
you know. But obviously she's bought a lot more things
since that. But I remember people didn't on my show.

(51:14):
They didn't wear designer.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
No, it wasn't really a thing in early Housewives. And
then I don't know when it happened, but there was
this shift of like glam and logos and designers, and
it was It's a funny evolution.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
It is. And I think that people think the more logos,
the more wealth, and so they think it's exciting. But
it's not necessarily to although I did, you know, it's funny.
When I look back on my seasons, I definitely there
is definitely some seasons where my clothing had a trend.
I don't think I meant it to, right, but it did.
Like there was one year I was very into brooches, yeah,
and there were just brooches everywhere. We love a brooch, yeah,

(51:52):
but there was a cluster. There was a cluster of brooches.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
I love jack a pink. This is what I think
about when I close my eyes, and you're my favorite
confessional look. I loved you in the pink Chanelle sweater.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
I gave that to Max she has it. Oh no,
I didn't. I gave it to my mother.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It was a great confessional look.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
It was, I know, it was in my entry way. Yeah,
the hair was good. Hair was good.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
It wasn't like a jump scare. You know, sometimes you
get those confessional looks from housewives and you're like, holy fuck.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I don't think I've ever had a Have I ever
had a jump scare confessional look?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
No? No, But I like there's I could name so
many jump scares. There's Nini when she had she had
like a ball cut situation. I can't think of who
it was with the ponytail. Teresa's had quite a few
jump scares. Yeah, there's there's.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Been a few, been a few. I what I look for, Well,
I've been really trying to wear color, yeah, because I
you know, I always wear black, so in the confessionals,
I try to wear color yees. So I don't think
I wore any black last year. I just tried to
find something comfortable because you sit there a long time.
M yeah, the long time to sit, my bet, and

(53:02):
you got to sit up straight. I bet and then
you got to make sure the undergarments are undergarmenting and
all that. Oh my god. We were on the family
food and I was where I had the worst. It
was like every wardrobe malfunction that could have happened, it happened.
And I was in a bad spot with the girls
that year. So it was like, I feel like no
one was really talking to me. And I wanted to

(53:23):
wear a color. So I got this green dress. It
was really pretty, but it needed a strapless bra and
it needed like some kind of shapewear because I didn't
want to look lumpy because it was like clean and silky. Yeah,
So I got this one, and I don't wear shapewear,
So I got this one piece thing right that was
like a strapless bra into shapewear thing, okay, and it

(53:49):
just kept get it shifting shifting ship it was shape shifting.
It's like the bra part kept getting lower and.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Lower boobs are getting smushed.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Us. I had like a low double boob thing happening.
And then I was nervous, so I crack sweat and
I had like a like a crustaine. It was so bad,
not good. No, I was not meant to wear color.
I guess.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I'm sorry. Devastating really really wasn't good.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I know, all right, So everything else is great, show
is going great.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Yeah, got a child ticking along, not stop.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Asking maybe someday, but leave us the fuck alone.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Eventually, I'll let you know.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I love it. Yeah, and what do you But what
shows are you into these days? Okay? So are you
a white Lotus girl? Yeah? Yeah, I didn't watch it.
You didn't know. I haven't watched any of them.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Wow, Why.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
You know? Sometimes you miss cultural phenomena. I know, I
keep meaning to bet us. Sometimes you miss the boats
and then you're too behind and you can't catch up.
I feel like that's where I am.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I think that's probably where you are.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
It's probably where I am. But having said that, I
go to Europe a lot, and I have a lot
of flights coming up, and so I may dive in.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
That's a great like a plane watch a plane? Binge
is white like?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
And do I go back to season one?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
I would say you.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Should say it serialized?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I need to know what happened. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I mean you could watch the seasons independently and it
wouldn't matter. But I think you go season one and
just yeah, okay, I'm going to do it, bang through it.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
I'm going to do it.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yeah, it's a good plane watch for sure.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Do were you upset or happy about the finale?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I think Mike White is a genius. I was happy
with it.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Okay, good, And I think there are mixed reviews. I
don't follow it, so.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I think there's mixed reviews. But there's always mixed reviews,
And isn't good writing like that should elicit mixed reviews?

Speaker 1 (55:49):
One hundred. We just watched I do watch TV with
A's okay, because that's like a fun thing we do together.
We like order Dntiphong, we watch Q show together. So
we just finished watching Paradise.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Oh. I haven't heard of this, but it's it's Sterling K.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Brown okay from uh this is Us, Oh okay, and
it's it's like an apocalyptic like thing, like this thing
has happened, and they create this underground city for everyone
to live in, okay basically, and it's there's a little
espionage going on, and you know, it's cool. It's like

(56:26):
it's a great show. Okay, that's good and he's so talented.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
I'm going to put that on my list. I also wants, by.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
The way, shredded even better. Oh my god, he takes
his shirt off a lot. I'm like, keep going. Okay,
there's a nude scene. I really enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Top of the List.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Yeah, I really liked that good And now he's now
we're watching what's that Shonda Rhime show it's called it's
called The Residents.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Okay. Is it hard to follow? No, because I'm like
foaming at the mouth after seven pm, Like I can
only participate, Like no, And it's kind of my brain.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
It's like it's like a it's a murder mystery. It's
like The Gate. It's like Clue. Okay, okay, it's like Clue,
but written by Shonda Rhimes.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Great, and the characters are great. You are you a
Severance girl?

Speaker 1 (57:08):
I didn't watch Severance?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Okay, my husband's making me watch it.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
And is it gory? I don't, Like, I don't. I
can't do it.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
It's not gory, but like I'm I just want to
decompose at the end of the day. I'm not trying
to think about anything mindless and as it triggers me too,
because as I was walking through the hallways of this
very building, I started thinking about seference, like, this is
a very severance office building.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
The hallways it is, yes.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
And I went into the wrong building, which is so
crazy because I literally.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Well, there are two next door that look they look exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
The lobby is identical, yes, which is very Severence coded.
And I started walking through these hallways and I'm like,
this is we're here, call me helly R.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I heard Jay Shetty say the other day. He was
saying that great minds talk about ideas and average minds
talk about events. I had small minds talk about people.
And I looked at Terry and I.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Go, fuck, oh my god, I have a really small mind.
Do you know what I'm doing for my birthday party
this year?

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Which birthday?

Speaker 2 (58:11):
It's in August And it just came to me yesterday.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Oh I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Okay, I'm gonna have a dinner party which all my
favorite things. Okay, and I'm talking my very very best friends,
like my core Core crew, Gridlock Crew, Yes, Judgment Free Crew. Okay,
everybody's gonna walk in. Nobody's gonna enjoy this experience except
for me, which is kind of historically how all my
birthday parties go, Like when I rented a theater and

(58:36):
I made everybody, all of my deeply intellectual friends watch
Real Housewives Scary Island trilogy with handbooks with character backstory,
and we had caviar, and then we had Zanku chicken.
We had all of my favorite things and Martini's.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
They didn't love that.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
No, they did not love it. No, Everyone's like, this
is the worst idea. I'm like, you're gonna sit the
fuck down in this theater in our pajamas and you're
gonna love it with these martinis, and you are going
to watch it. And then I got up with a
microphone commentary and all of my friends wanted to die.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
That is hilarious.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
It is my favorite birthday ever. This year, they're going
to come over to my house. Okay, we're gonna have
like beautiful smooth jazz, beautiful cocktails, beautiful course to meal.
Everyone has to walk in and write a name of
some peripheral person that they hate. You put it in
a ball perfect, and then during cocktail hour, we're going

(59:35):
to put the bowl down. We're all going to go around.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
The person can't be in the room.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I know they can't be in the room, but it
has to be someone just like you know, everybody has
someone that is completely unoffensive.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Is this like someone in your life? Or like people
hate Anne Hathaway?

Speaker 2 (59:51):
It could be anything. If you want to be boring,
I like Anne Hathaway.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I want to say that.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
If you want to be boring and suck, you can
pick someone that everyone overtly hates. If you want to
be fun in a sport for the celebration of my birth,
then you have to pick someone that's going to be
a groan. Like you want to pick someone that's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Like what, It's got to be controversial.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
It has to be controversial. I have a very long list.
If people play, I mean like a floating shelf, like
a rusty floating shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
It could be a thing, not a person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
It could be a thing of the people floating.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
What else do you hate?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Oh? So fake plants? I mean the tofted like for
fake plant.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I do I enjoy a fake plant because I don't
want bugs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I I will take the bugs. I can't have a
fake tree. I'm not I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Some trees are fake with real moss at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
That's better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It's a hybrid. That's Okay, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I don't like maintenance.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I know I have a I got a guy that
comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I don't. I don't want the guy ever since we
moved into the apartment. I am done with maintenance. I
don't want to see a blade of grass ever again.
I'm done. I don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
People totally understand the ball I get it. I oh god,
so many things I don't like, like magenta lipstick. I
don't like frosted lip gloss. I don't like I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Like zip plumpers. Why do we what's that? Why did
my lips have to burn?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Eyelash extensions? I don't really get. I don't like gramic curtains.
I don't. I mean, I could just do this for hours.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah. I looked up to see if they had Gramata.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Gramit curtains are terrible. Just discuss. I don't like shower curtains.
Why do people still? Why is? Why do they even exist?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It's pretty unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
I don't like plastic or wire hangers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Same, same unnecessary. We live in a it's twenty twenty five.
You can amazon anything. Yeah, just put a little effort in.
I for the birthday. It has to be a person.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Okay, all right, good, So everyone comes in, you have
this beautiful meal, you put the name in the bowl,
and then what is that dessert?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
No, So then we're going to go around. We're going
to pick the names out, and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Does everyone pick their own a different name?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
No, we just it's just a bawl. It's a random
So we'll be like, somebody hates Jessica. And then we're
going to each have individual notebooks with our initials on them, okay, monogrammed,
and then everyone's going to write down who we think
hates that person. Then we're going to open up open
it up to a socratic seminar.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
After you because you could probably figure it out once
you all start talking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Right, So then we're going to save the conversation for dinner.
And then we're going to go one by one. We're
gonna we're gonna announce who picked each person, and then
we're going to make a case for why we hate
that person and do we collectively as a group hate
them or not? Or is it unwarranted?

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
And is it possible that someone could be turned around
with the hate by the end of the meal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yes, it's just a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Isn't it fun? It's so fun because I hate a
few people that are very external from my friend group.
But they're pleasant people like beloved by many. You hate them,
I fucking and I talked to my husband about it
all the time. I'm like, I hate her and he's like,
she's so nice. I'm like, no, I literally I hate
everything she stands for and he's like, well, and I'm like,

(01:03:07):
she's got no vibe. Okay, I just I get hyper fixated,
and I'm like, I know it says nothing about her
and everything about me. That's the that is the foundation
of the of the party.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Because it's not mean against the person, it's what's fundamentally
wrong with you that you can't vibe with them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Yeah, and I want to like get through the trenches
of that iasation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yes, Yeah, and I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
I don't know why that sounds fun to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Sounds fun to me. One of my best friends who
really hates no one, was at an event the other
night and she was texting me and she wanted to
meet up for a drink afterwards. But I was exhausted
and I just whatever done this whole thing, And I
was we're on the opposite sides of town mm hmm,
and like I love you, I just can't. She was,
but I hate everyone. She hated everyone at the dinner
she was at, and it was like really beautiful and

(01:03:54):
I was like, I run back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Oh, I know, there's something so beautiful when you break
a person. Like all of my best friends are lovely,
Like these are women that are like nuice, successful, loving, charitable,
like you know, beacons of the community, like wonderful, objectively
wonderful people. And after like there always comes a point

(01:04:19):
in my friendships, like when we're like a few years deep, okay,
and we're at a cocktail, we're at a dinner, and
I see the shift in them when I've broken them down,
you know what I mean. And my best friend, I'll
never forget it. One day, we're just at dinner and
she's like, she said something so out of character for her,

(01:04:39):
like so petty, bitchy, and she felt so bad after
she said it, and I was like, this is a
safe space and you can go deeper. And I knew
that I broke her, And it happens with all of
my friends.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
I love it, and I love it. For you, that
sounds like a wonder full wonderful birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
It's the best feeling because I'm like, I have given
them permission to be a bad person selectively, because I'm
so fucked in the head that they feel safe saying
terrible things around me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
But it is a safe space, and I kind that's
what's the best part. I think one of my favorite
are I think one of my favorite birthday parties was
a few years ago. I had foot surgery and I
really didn't want to do anything. And if it's like, oh,
I'll just take you to lunch, and I'm like, no,
I don't want to go on twelve lunches. And so
finally I was like, all right, I'll just do something.
So I was like, all right, I'm gonna have a Bengo
party in my house. It's gonna be a pajama party.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Love.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
So I transferred my entire basement they called Subterraneans here whatever. Yeah,
beautiful basement. But I transformed the whole thing to this white,
cloudy like puffy thing with it was all balloons and
fairy lights and white roses. And I changed all the
furniture out pretty and the doors were open to our
movie theater and I got robes for everyone with their

(01:05:58):
nail like. It was just great food, the whole thing.
So I hired these really cute guys to run my
Bingo game, and so I figured and I had a
photo shoot the next day for people. So I was like,
this is great. I'm gonna call it for six o'clock.
By ten pm, I am a seat out, I'm in
my bed. I'm fine. So I we do the thing

(01:06:19):
and everyone comes over and it must have been like
eighteen women something like that. And I had prizes like
for the Bingo bottle of dom AirPods. It was like
some bougie bracelets something like that. So everyone comes over.
I didn't realize that the two of the guys I
hired were from Magic Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Hell yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
It was a It turned into a much much different party.
I mean, it was so fun. It was so off
the rails, and it was like one of my girlfriends
had just had a baby and this was like her
first night out and it was She's ready to run
lap dances and everyone was dancing and affording and like

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crazy and like you know, when you you're having so
much fun, you like cry because I love you and
then you hate people. But it was like, it was
the most beautiful, fun night. The last person left at
like two thirty in the morning. It was the best.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
It's so great when you don't anticipate that type of
in the evening and then it takes a turn.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
It just takes a turn. It's so good. That's so
all right, Well you and I I have to go
because I'm going to get my face filled right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
O fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Yeah, I love that little botox, little sculpture, little golden needles,
crazy time for Yeah, mommy, that's why I'm wearing no
makeup because I'm going right from me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
We love that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
We went to Pilates, dear love it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
That's a perfect wenket.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
And then my son, my youngest, is going on like
you know, in eighth grade to go to d C.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's going to DC tomorrow. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Well that's fun.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
We get to sort of be empty nesters. It's kind
of nice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
I like when everyone's gone for a short period of time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Totally anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Tell everyone how to find your podcast, how to find
you on social since you're back on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
I'm back on Instagram for the fourth time. I'm at
Jackie Shimmel and then my podcast, The Bitch Bible comes
out on Tuesdays anywhere you listen to podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Thank you, I agree you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Thank you so much. That was so fun, oh so easy,