April 24, 2025 • 47 mins
Host of E! News & the LadyGang podcast and friend of the pod KELTIE KNIGHT joins Heather to discuss lab grown diamonds, Heather's beef with copyright infringement, how AI is affecting fashion and luxury, the dark side of working the Red Carpet, why we need to bring back journalists, and coping with burnout!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's talk with Heather Dubro. Starts now. I don't even
know how you'd like to be introduced.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
She's a three time Emmy Winter New York Times best
selling author, veteran podcaster, co host of Heows. She's really
like one of the most driven, talented, insanely cool women
I know.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Please welcome Kelty Night.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello, Heather Debro. I'm just like blinded by the ring
as per huge.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, are you into lab diamonds?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh my god, I have the greatest story for you
about this.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, this is not I want to tell you she's
looking at my No, that's a real my ring.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It is not a lab diamond. Much to Terry chagrin.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He would love if you were into it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, no, he would have loved if he had known
about lab diamonds before he purchased this.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay, So last year at the Golden Globes, I lost
my diamond on the red carpet. Very viral moment and.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Kind of worth it for how viral it went.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean, I was like, what is all this girl
needs to do? When all the Emmys get a New
York Times bestseller. They're like, no, we don't care about you.
I'm like, lose a diamond. People are like, we're rooting
for you. I don't kill guys. Okay. So I lost
the diamond and I had no insurance on it because
it was pretty new, and I got reached out to
by a bunch of different companies that they were like, well,
(01:20):
replace your diamond, and because they saw it as a
pr opportunity, I was like, well, this is amazing. And
so I ended up working with this company and they
replaced my diamond and they upgraded it to like a
four carrot diamond and it's beautiful and I love it
so much, and so I talk about that I wear
it sometimes, not all the time, and so like, you know,
it's not a date, well you're a day war but anyway,
(01:42):
so Justin knows the whole story that this is a
lab diamond, but it's really fabulous and I love it.
And we went to dinner with you and Terry. This
was months ago. Terry, Heather Justin Sylvester, my co host
ONNY News, Me and my husband Chris, and we went
and you said something shit about you were like you
(02:03):
were like yeah, and she wears lab diamonds, and Justin
Sylvester looked at me across the table and he goes
like this, you didn't see it. But he goes and
looked at my diamond in my hand, look back up
at me. We laughed so hard. The next day in
the Glamorom he was like, he was like, don't tell
(02:24):
Heather to bro. You can never tell her it's a
lab diamond. She won't want to go to dinner with
you anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh my god, that's so funny. Well, I will tell
you how you changed your mind.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think I have so I by the way, that's
fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I would never judge you for the lab.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you know, Justin's looks where he goes, well, because
here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
What I have a hard time, what I was having
a hard time wrapping my brain around, is that it's
actually a real diamond.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's not like.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's a cubic zirconia or you know, like a white
sapphire masquerading.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yes, this is diamond.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Mot a site to its right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's a real diamond.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And then you know, when you think about, you know,
ethically sourced diamonds, how difficult it is for the environment,
the how they mine the diamonds. But also I heard, wait,
you're drinking an energy drink. I just squirreled out, we're
gonna talk about that, okay. But also I heard that
lab grown diamonds are also bad for the environment.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes you know that, Yes, well everything's bad for the
environ Yes, but I will say that there actually is
no difference. And I know this because I had these.
Sorry I'm wearing a triple. These are real, but these
are also a lab grown stud He did admit it,
but they did. I didn't like the setting in them,
so I had them reset and I took it to
(03:49):
a jeweler i'd never worked with before, just near my house,
to just be like, hey, what can you do? And
he put the thing on and he had no idea.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Because there's they can't tell. They can't tell.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So here's the thing about the lab diamonds is that
there's I guess from what I understand, not that I'm
an expert. Maybe we need chat GVT, something else we
need to talk about, okay, but uh, there's a machine.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I guess it's like twenty grand for this machine.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They can't tell, that can tell, But no one has
the machine, because who's going to buy a machine to tell?
And who cares when the regular tester thing can't tell
what kind of diamond is because it's a real diamond.
It was just made in a lab. I had three
of my four children or IVF does it make a difference.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Right, that's true, That's very true. My question is this.
I would only be mad if I was you and
I had a beautiful collection of diamonds that are very
high worth because you've invested over the years, like that
is a very expensive diamond. The lab diamonds are lowering
the price of diamonds because now anyone can go and
(04:54):
get a four carrot diamond for under ten grand if
they want, right, So I would be mad if I
was at a place my life where I was debroing
where I was like, oh god, now you know, Or
if I was like Queen Camilla over in the palace
or Princess Kate being like I'm gonna get the tiara
and now now it's not really worth any as much.
I would be mad if that was my thing. But
(05:15):
I feel like, I think it's nice. I think it's
nice that people can go get a lab diamond. I
think it's nice to think of, like maybe the children
not being like digging, you know, like I just like
the idea of it, and for me it works with
because I would never spend that much money on jewelry.
I don't care about jewelry that much. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, listen, we were with friends recently and they have
plenty of money, right and they could have still went
for it. I still went for the lab diamond, and
I thought, okay, you know what, I kind of get it.
But what it's interesting to me is I wonder what
will become precious now, Like, right, is it going to
turn to ruby's?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Were diamonds ever precious? Because I heard it was like
a whole shanagle from I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Know, there's straight Yeah, I know there's a lot of
like that.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Ermes Burkin feels precious to me because I watched a
video of how it takes them like a year to
make them. Like it's like that to me is very precious.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Craftsmanship is precious, right.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So maybe a diamond Like maybe we've been hoodwinked into
thinking that diamonds are precious and they're not.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Maybe, So I don't know, I don't know, but I
don't have to say, I don't feel judging, And I
will tell you about the studs.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I had a pair of they lost you're Kim Kardashian
and the Boro Bora.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I lost the diamonds, yes, exactly. So I lost my
studs in Las Vegas years ago. They were ensured.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I got the money for them, and instead of replacing them.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Because I was like, studs are so plain.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Sometimes you want gold, sometimes you want silvers, and you
know whatever. So what I did was I bought my
first piece of Van Cleef jewelry.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I bought this.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Necklace, and I bought Nordstroham fake earrings.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, like a Cubis of Coronia, like a Cubic sit.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They were like fifty bucks and they were big and
they were great, and I was like, I'm gonna wear
these till I figured it out. And I never bought
studs again because they seem so plain to me. Spend
money special thing, right, So I never So I kind
of get it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I understand it. I don't have any lab diamonds, but
I'm not against it.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Wow. Okay, So twenty twenty five Heather Dubro where I
will report back to Justin Sylvester tonight. I work I
do want to ask you somethings. There's this whole thing
going on. There's there's two things. I'm sorry. I know
this is your show and I always do this.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, I love this. Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
There's this whole thing now with the tariffs and TikTok
and people are saying, you know, go right to the
manufacturer of these bags and stuff, and how the burkins
and all the bags, like, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
On the tear like fur?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
No, like the fake fake burkins, the Amazon burkin, Like,
do you care?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I do care?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You care a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I care about copyright infringement. This is what I care about.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I don't like. So we're doing lab.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Diamonds, we're doing real diamonds, okay, but they're all real diamonds, right, okay, understood,
and we're all being very transparent about it, right okay.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't like copyright in frig.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wants someone spent time designing something. It drives me insane.
When I'm in Manhattan and I see a table of
fake Van Cleeve bracelets and they look good, right, it
irritates me. Someone designed this. This is their proprietary design.
You shouldn't be knocked off.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I remember once walking by a Michael korsder and I
love Michael course, I think he's an amazing designer. But
in the window we're knockoffs of Valentino bags. I mean
the same studs, right, the same patterns. And I was like,
you're Michael Cores.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's their thing?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look, that's their thing. I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's not for you. I mean, I used to be
a shoe model for Steve Madden and Manhattan in my
early days, and they also ripped off like it's but
they're in. It's inspired by it's not exact.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's not exact, and there's a difference between trends and copy.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yes, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The trend is a bucket bag, The trend is a
bucket bag.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The trend is Leopard, the trend is Camo, the trend
is neon. Those are all things. I mean, yes, you
can go to Zara and Uya and tweed jackets that
are very Chanelle looking vibes, but they don't have fake
sea buttons on them, right, right, right, That's where I
(09:33):
draw the line.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
My next thing is I noticed on your Instagram, which
is fantastic by the way you're doing like you're doing
like a savvy spender thing. I rifty thrifty Thursdays. Okay,
I want to implore you to switch over. There's a
woman taking over TikTok right now. Her name's Becca Bloom.
She it's they're calling it how to Rich Write, And
(09:57):
you know, listen, I actually appreciate because I know last
season on Housewives, you wore a lot of like leagaunts
and like stuff like that that like the regular PLEDs
of the world can afford. But Becca Bloom is very,
very rich, and every day she gives us a TikTok
and she's just doing her life. Yeah, but it's like
the most insane shit ever. She's like, oh my god,
(10:18):
look at my fiance just told me to come downstairs,
and like she opens a box and it's like a
Chanelle tennis racket, Like I feel like that's your life.
And then she's like, let me play my cat's food
and she's like putting a little caviaar on it. Like
I think thrifty Thursday. Thrifty Thursday is great, but I'm
gonna need like fold deerbro Monday.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Okay, I understand what you're saying. Here's the thing about me.
I'm a little bit of both you are. And that's
just the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Like, I don't live like I'm not putting I've been
in your closet.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah it's great.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
We have not seen it enough.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
No, it's true.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But I I feel like people see on housewives. Yeah,
so much of the bougie stuff that when I want
to when I start posting the more regular like when
I buy stuff from Amazon.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Although sometimes I'm so stupid.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I was saying to the girls one day, I'm like,
oh I got the I was wearing these pink leggings
and I'm like, oh, I got them on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And Shannon looked at the tag.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
She's like, those are like four hundred dollars leggings. I
don't care that you bought the money.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, matter, we bought it. But I need you to
do like come with me and rate my Chanel bags,
and I need you to rate them from like one
to ten. I get so much shit for that, know,
but you just have to lean Ina. But Becka bloom
Is she's very much like you. She is rich, but
like she's so wonderful, and that's the difference I appreciate.
(11:38):
She's not rich, like I'm rich and you can't have it.
She's like, okay, well she has a job, she works,
she hustles, and she's like, okay, guys, I was feeling
a little low today. Let me do my skincare. And
she's like and then I take the octopus squid row
and you're just like, what this is like a level
of fabulousness and start following her name beak, It'll be
(12:01):
your inspiration. I want like rich bitch Mondays with Heather Deris.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh my god, you are so funny.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I can't stay but yet you can't even clean your glasses,
like you really are a hot No.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I am a hot mess, especially right now.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, okay, but speaking of that, you know, I it's
funny every season on the show, like, not intentionally, but
I seem to have like a wardrobe vibe.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Like one year was very into brooches.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, we love a broach, And one year is into logos.
I had logo mania, one year whatever. And I don't
really do it intentionally, but there seems.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
To be it's like a theme.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, my daughter said Max said to me a couple
maybe two years ago. She was like, I really like
that old money look.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
You know what I mean, like that beauty, like like
Sophia Ritchie right old money when she got married and
had all those Chanel dresses.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And she paid for those. By the way, they were
not a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Because she can't exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, Lionel, you're.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But I loved that and I was like, oh, that's
very mean. And so we started talking about quiet Luxury.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So do you think quiet luxury is overhyped or did
it just need like a little sparkle For me?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I find the like quiet luxury, the goop of it all,
like the very like there's not a label on anything.
I find it very boring for me. Yeah, because I
am a show girl, Like I want to wear a
sequin jacket on a Monday at eleven, like I want, But.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Does it need a logo on it?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It doesn't need a logo. It's just a way of dressing.
Like Jasmine Tuk's the supermodel. She does it very well.
She'll be in like it was like Megan Markle in
her in her show. Like it's like a white linen
pant and a shirt and like the shirt. T shirt's
probably from the Goop store or whatever that ca it's
cashmere and it's a four hundred dollars T shirt from
the Row, but like I could wear the same one.
(13:56):
It's Haines and I got it at Walmart, you know
what I mean. But so for me, it's not special enough.
I like to be I'm a Girlhood's Like, I'll show
you my shoe right now, Like I like an accouterment
which I know, got like slides with stuff Veronica beards,
like these are my yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
These are my plate shoes.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, Okay, So that's that's the difference. I think it's
great on some people, and I do love if you're
on a budget, quiet luxury is the trends to follow
because it is something that you can go to Zara.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, but I see that's where we disagreed, because I
think the whole point of quiet luxury is you can't
do it because it's about the quality of the.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Items, and that's the way you hold yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's definitely the way you hold yourself because it's in
the wearing of it. Someone could wear something, you know,
not expensive and make it look more elevated one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But it's funny.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's funny you talk about that because I distinctly remember
thinking to myself several years ago that I was ready
to have more expensive basics.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh yeah, and that to me, it's a womanhood. There's like, yeah,
I want.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I was like, I remember seeing a sweater. This could
have been ten years ago, but I remember seeing a
sweater and thinking, see, I would love to own that
sweater because it's not important.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's something you would just throw on.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Right, and you throw it on, but it's like rich bitch.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, but you would throw it on to go to pilates,
like I have this, Like in my bag, I have
this Selene sweat. This is so obnoxious, by the way,
and not relate. This is the not relatable.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Portion, riching bitch.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I have well.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Leopard Selene cardigan in my bag and like something like that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I would hold it, I would save it. I need
it's mom, I throw it on to wear it to plates.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But I love that, Like you gotta wear your things.
You must, Yeah, you must wear your things.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Must wear your things.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I went to a birthday party this weekend and I
had bought a Bob Mackey ridiculous vintage crop top shirt
that I think was supposed to go over our gown.
And I'm like I could be normal tonight. I was like, no,
I'm wearing my seat when Bob Mackie crop top to
a house party, and it's just like that makes me
so happy and life is sure, you got to wear it.
(16:09):
I actually love when you do the like full when
you're a little more costume. Me too. Like I there
was one episode of House I think you were I
can't remember what season was, but you were like maybe
you're not a golf course, but you had like a blazer,
like you look like Andy walking into the Vogue offices
and Dobleware's product when she like after the makeover, it
was like a little kilt thing, and like, I just
love that. I think it should be fun.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think it should be fun too. And I think
dressing should be fun. I haven't had a stylist in
a few years. Yeah, and I'm loving dressing my just
doing just doing it. And I don't care, Like I
don't care what anyone thinks. I don't care if they
like it or not. I'm just embracing it. But what
I have found is I want less things.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, it's the purge of the years, like we're purging.
I just did a huge closet purge.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
What do you do with your things? Do you sell
it to real real? Do you?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
No? I'm very lucky. I have a niece who just
turned thirteen, and she's tall like me and wants it
all she wants. She comes over. I've put a pile
on the floor and she picks what she wants. I
give a lot to like just people in my life.
I bring stuff to E because a lot of the
makeup artists and stuff, I'm just like, does anyone, like
I'm just sick of wearing this? Does anyone want it?
So I kind of like, get it away nice. I'll
sell some stuff, but most of the stuff that I
(17:20):
have that's worth anything, I'm keeping, Like I'm at that point.
But it's actually we were talking about this. I invested
in this app called Alta. Not that this is an ad,
but no, no, this is good.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I wanted to talk very interesting to Alta.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Is okay, So Alta means in Latin it means elevated,
and so basically what it is is it's like a
digital It's the clueless closet in an app. Okay, so basically.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You have to take pictures of all your stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Well, it's a scan through so you can literally go
like this and flip through your closet and it will
scan everything, and then it searches the internet and names
it like it can find that you put that slipper
and you just scan it. It'll fill in all the info.
You know, Casual Louis Vuitton Slide Black like, it'll fill
it all in. But they also have a service where
they'll come and do your whole closet, so you you
(18:10):
you put your whole closet together and then there's many
many things you can do, so you basically could wake
up in the morning, it tells you what the weather's
going to be like today, and you can say I'm
going to lunch and then a work dinner, and then
it will take your closet and it figures out base
the AI. There's twenty two models. It figures out based
on the trends on the internet. So like what Vogue
(18:30):
is talking about, what Ell is talking about, it will
put the outfits together.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
For you if all your accessories and everything, all.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Your accessories and you can switch things out or whatever.
Or for me, like I just bought a new pair
of like insane Chloe boots. They go over the knee
they're all studied. They're ridiculous. You can click on that
item and say style this item, and it goes through
and it adds address, and then it gives you a
skinny gene with a sweater, look for casual and whatever,
and you can save them. There's also a calendar so
you can like do your looks. You could do a
(18:57):
packing trip so you can say to it, hey, I'm
going to Italy for two weeks. I want to pack
a carry on. These are the dates I'm going. It
looks up the weather and you say I want to
have a flat shoe for sight seeing. And there's one
night that's a formal wedding, and it will put the outfits.
You can mess things up, you can play with it,
and then it gives you a packing list. Pack one
(19:17):
white T shirt, this pair of jeans, like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh my god, just so you know I'm doing this
to no, I.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Will send you a person to do your closet.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay, I need that.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But it's it's really amazing. And the reason I think
it's so important, and what you were saying is like
I want less, is that we live in this thing
where you have your closet and everything's bunched together. Most
of us. Your closet is very beautiful, but most of
everything's bunched together, and you're like, I have nothing to wear, right,
But then when you can actually see it in front
of you, it's different. It's kind of like doing taxes.
(19:46):
You look at your taxes and you look at the spreadsheet.
You're damn, must havenent that much money on four and Amazon.
But you're like, wait, And what I love the most
is I could take a picture of you, Heather de
bro I see something you wear on Housewives or something
you do your outfit. I can screenshot that picture, I
upload it to Alta. It will make me the same
outfit out of my own clothes.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, that's what I'll tell you what I love the
most about that. I will sometimes buy an item that
I I.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just love it.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It doesn't belong, but it belongs with nothing in my friends,
It has no friends, It has no friends, and I'm
really unsure or I realize, oh, I have too many
tops and not enough bottoms, but I really don't understand
what kind of bottoms go with these tops.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's what I need.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And the other thing it can do just it can
you can do that? And be like style me, and
then it will the AI will tell you, well, Gigi
Hidid is wearing this with this low slung gene and
this is the gene they saw her in the paparazzi
picture and you can shop it directly from the app.
That's so, that's how the app makes money, is like
affiliate links when you shot.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So aren't you worried that AI is going to take
over every single job?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I know AI is going to take over every single job,
Like there's no doubt in my mind it's coming. I
know there will be an AI giving you entertainment news
on E news in two years, Like, I know it's coming.
But the thing that they can't take away is us
in real life, like real life events like birthday parties,
you know, weddings like all of that kind of stuff.
So we just have to transition to, you know, using
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AI where it helps us and then really enjoying our
life when we're out in the real world.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, I wonder if it's going to help us actually
unplug more.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I'm like, I want to have a big, grand answer
for you, but yeah, I will tell you, this app
really helps me get dressed and helps me stay organized.
And like, I just I like AI for that, Like
I like chat GBT for that, Like I'm I'm into that.
What I'm not into is we had a situation. I
don't know if this has happened to you yet. We
had a situation on the Lady Gang podcast where we
were talking about shaving our vaginas sorry, and waxing and
(21:51):
uh like what's cool and what people are doing now?
And a company took that video and Ai' beca toobin
my host's voice for their Razor company and then was
running dark ads against Lady Gang on the web, and
so our fans were getting there just like we didn't
hear you, guys, this is not what you said on
the podcast, but they aied the voice. I had something
(22:13):
similar happened to me on TV. I was talking about
Kelly Clarkson and someone took a clip of me talking
about Kelly Clarkson and they aied my voice and then
it talked about Kelly Clarkson these diet pills that she
was using in twenty four hours, and I was like,
we would never do that story, and it went everywhere.
My mom was like, my mom wrote me and she goes,
do those Kelly Clarkson diet pills really work.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's so scary.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's like, I remember I used to do that with
the ads with the Ginko Bobobo whatever it was called,
because they had one for me and Terry, same thing.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I remember that. Yeah, and you're like, this doesn't seem
like something they would promote.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, And it was also we didn't promote that item.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Right right, that was just crazy, so weird. So I
think it's weird. I think it's scary. I think it's
all eh. I think that it's fun to find ways
that it can help.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I hope all of that is true, because Terry and
I have been taking a little bit of like a
dark spiral yeah, yeah, dive and we end up with, Wow, we.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Should just more, have sex more, and spend more.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're all going to be goldfish to the AI robots
five hundreds.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's all very But that's why I think, like real talk, podcasting,
television shows like those are the things that well can
like you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Well, this is my thing.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You can't replicate the unpredictability of humans.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, so you can.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Replicate many things, and AI can have empathy and all
these different things, but you can't replicate the actual human condition.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And emotions, so that's the only thing, yeah that you.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Know, it's I think it's a It's a big, new,
really scary world. And I'm glad I'm not a kid,
like I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
For it because I can don't be a doctor, don't
be a lawyer, don't be an architect.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
All those things are going to go away.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Right, You're like, you know, we even even graphic design, like,
it's it's wild out there.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
All right, I'm gonna ask you some dumb questions. Okay, okay,
this is would you rather would you rather be stuck?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I know the answer to this.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Would you rather be stuck at an elevator with a
method actor in character or reality star in full drama mode?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Reality starsha?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Would you rather have your worst ex? Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Would you rather have your worst ex give a red
carpet interview about you or your mom?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Honestly, the haters make you famous, so I think my
worst ax me too.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Also, because if your mom gives the interview, people believe it. Yeah,
there's no it's her mother, Yeah, no, thank you. Would
you rather trip on the met galistairs or be caught
wearing last season shoes to the Oscars.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, well I've done both. I tripped on the I
tripped on the Grammy Red Carpet this year. Unfortunately I
did it. I'm so dumb. I didn't do it on purpose,
but I fell in the backstage area and everyone's like,
you did it on purpose for press, because it of
course went viral too. And I was like, you guys
know that if I was doing this for press, I
would have done it in front of the photographers, right
nobody secret? Yeah, Like the security guard was like idiot,
(25:22):
Like Derek, that was it you seeing?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I remember seeing.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And I always wear last year's shoes because I feel
like I actually don't. That's the one thing I'm very
thrifty on.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I will shoe.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I used shoe. I'm so hard on my shoes. I will.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
As a dancer, you would.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Buy a U shoe one hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Really, I don't know, No, I will.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, No, that's where you draw the Lineyeah, I draw
the line.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, first of all, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Like used things, Yes, I know this about it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I don't like other people's energy.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Just sage that violence. Yes, the shoes are too expensive.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to buy the shoe I wanted.
You are like, well, I did buy the shoes for
the oscars, which are so annoying. They were like twelve
hundred dollars flat and I was like, I'll never wear
this is satin sling back pump. I had to have it.
It went with the dress. I will never wear the
shoe again. This is the year.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Now you have to what color is the shoe?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Nude but like a satin shoe.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Can you diet wear?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Maybe black? Yeah, that's a good idea. See, that's why
I come to you.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
But you should die different bitch tips, but you should
die at different colors. Like I remember for my sister's wedding,
she had like this crazy colored dress that we have
to wear. And Vira Wang made shoes that year, and
she made a pump that was a toe shoe.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh it was so gorgeous and it was.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Really tall with a platform in the front. And I
must have died them. They were silk. I died them
like three times.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
They were so great.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So if they're nw, die of the color.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, and then die black men die in black?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh my god, this is this is why I come
to you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
See, that's why rich Riching. Well do you love that? Ye?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Tell me about this?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Tell me about people think that red carpets are very glamorous. Now,
you and I both though, and you're much more comfortable
than I am because I've never been on your side
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
But you know it's fraught with you know, your insecure.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Does your hair LOCALCA? Should you have powdered right before?
I mean, like all the crazy thoughts. What something that
people don't realize that totally sucks about the Red carpet.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Well, first of all, I will say I would love
to see you doing more Red carpets, And I know
Glad has a bigger presence on the Red carpet interviewing.
They had Kroshelle on the Grammys, Like, I really feel
like you should reach out and do something like that.
You would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Because you're interview people.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
You're not it's a little lower lowbrow for you, but
I think you would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, Red carpets. The thing that sucks is waiting for
people because they and going behind the gates. Okay, so
basically when I started in Red carpets, it was like
a free for all. There was like the pavement where
you stood and then where the carpet began, and so
it was like, you know, a threshold, and it was
a like a visual threshold. And then I think it's
(27:58):
my fault. But there was a Grammy where Rihanna wasn't
stopping for me. And I always had a rule. This
is when we had our microphones like plugged in. For
a red carpet, a lot of times you can't use
a okay, I was like, I need forty foot like
I need a forty footer because I might need to
chase after someone. And so Rihanna was walking by me
shoes wearing the pink cupcat dress at the Grammys. I
jumped off my spot and I literally chased that girl
(28:19):
like we I did the interview and it was like
forty feet away, like I chased her down the carpet
to be like really, Rah, And there's a picture of
me being like like I'm running after her. And then
since then they've gotten really smart. They put us behind things.
So they put you behind a gate at the Metcala.
They put you behind like a they'd love to do
like a shrub. They'd love to have you like on
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the other side of a shrub, but the shrub is
like two feet wide. I remember the Critics' Choice one year.
I was like, I couldn't even reach Margot Robbie because
the shrub was so big. And I think it's my
fault because I chased Rihanna, Like I'm almost positive. People
are like, we need to like cattle, but you feel
like you're you literally feel like you're cattle. And they're
like always like the fire Marshal, and I was like, well,
the Marshall didn't do this in twenty fourteen, so I
(29:02):
don't know, like did you change anyway? So that The
other thing I want your listeners to understand is that
I was actually just somewhere and someone looked at a
picture from a red carpet and I was like, don't worry.
That's not what she looks like. We're all more wrinkly,
we're all more creepy, we're all older than we look. Yes,
you don't understand. Even the Getty images they have lights
(29:24):
up high and they're shooting these cameras that have huge
flashes on them, red carpet photos, celebrity photos, like they
don't look like that in real.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Life which is why we love them.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
One hundred percent. I don't want my celebrities to be normal.
That would be so boring. So I want you to
be fabulous. Take me into your fabulous world, do you
know what I mean? But like, I'll look at a
red carpet picture of me and I'm like, that is
not how who woke up? Like it's so much makeup,
as so much little tips. It's about how you tailor
the clothes, it's about how you stand, it's about.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
How you hold your mouth, all those things, and that
they're capturing you and that the one they're posting is
great and all of that, and honestly, for everyone to
understand it, when you're on the red carpet and having
pictures taken like, it's a lot of pressure. It's a
lot of pressure to stand there.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Are you holding your coat? Are you handing it to someone?
Are you holding your bag? Which way?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Are you standing right? Are you looking from left to right?
They're yelling at you, and everyone's yelling you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And someone get a little irritated.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Some of them are calling you Kelsey and you're like,
that's not my name.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Bitch, and so you just ignore that and you're irritated,
and they write your name on a piece of paper
and they hold it up so everyone knows who you are.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yes, and it's so embarrassing. And then like at the
Vanity Fair Oscar party this year, there's like a viral
thing of Kendall Jenner, who's so big supermodel, and then
Lisa from Black Pink comes and like everyone stops yelling
Kendall's name and they're like even the photographer's center in
front of her are yelling at Lisa, and Kendall's looking
over like who the fuck is this bitch? Like it
is like a competition for attention.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's like so crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
You have to be such a strong person because a
red carpet will break you.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
The thing that I have trouble with is when you
all right. So what happens when you go in these
red carps is that they're typically you do photos first.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, so there's all the still photographers.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So you do that and you walk through, and then
there's the electronic press, so you have you on the ground.
You can see who everyone is. There's people, there's US Weekly,
there's E News.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
They put down little papers that have the outlets.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, what is the etiquette I've always been curious about this.
So if you're there and someone is talking to you,
someone is talking to the news, but you catch my eye,
yeah right, and you're looking at me, and I'm like,
all right, kill you. Yeah, probably wants to talk.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, how long should we stand there?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Because as long as it takes, because then there becomes
like this backlog and you feel so awkward yes, staying
there that sometimes Terry and I will just move on.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes. I it's a very and this for the for
the people watching, this is the situation that happened at
the Grammys this year that you might have saw that's
viral between Babyface and Chapel Roone. In my opinion, the
interviews did not handle it well. But it's not one
hundred percent their fault. They're interviewing Babyface and they see
Chapel Round come by and like Chapel's I said a
(32:02):
big moment and they're like, okay, thanks baby Face, and
then they're like chack a chap and they're yelling for her.
The problem is is that, I mean, in an ideal world,
you have a great publicist that is kind of working
that carpet for you, and they're going, okay, we'll go
to Extra cause it's open, and then we'll come back
to E when Kelty's open, Like they'll do that magic
for you. If you're by yourself, there's no harm in waiting,
(32:23):
Like if I catch your eye, it means don't move.
Like what I'm trying to say is just hang out
there for it. And it's going to feel long for
you because you're just standing there. You're hanging and you're
in the background. But the truth is, like none of
this really is live unless you're on an E Live
red carpet, and even then, like we need you to wait,
but we want to talk to you, like the press
is there to help you know. And if we've invested
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all this time and energy and funds to come to
this carpet, it's because we saw a tip sheet that
said Heather and Tarra Dubro are going to be there.
So I have done all this work behind the scenes, Heather.
I've prepared my questions. I've googled you, I've figured out
what's next. I've watched the latest trailer for.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
So you want to talk to me?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So I want to talk to you. I have questions
for you. I've done that prep Like if you were
coming to an event that you're on the list, and
we know you're going to be there. I'm so mad
when you walk in. It bugs me so much. Like
I understand if you're not going to do any press
or people that are like, you know, I just saw
you at E and day ago, like fine, but like
people want to talk to you, so you should stop
even though it feels weird.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, nobody cares. I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And for the people that are on the press line,
it must be very difficult for you if they're giving
you like the monologue of all monologues. It's like speaking soundbites.
Please realize, baby Jesus yet that there's a million people
that also want to be spoken to.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Ye, like take your moment, answer a couple of questions,
move on.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yes, that is that can be very difficult. And you're
looking and you're like uh huh, and then I'm looking
around trying to see who else is there, like it
is an art And I think that's why, like, thank
god there is this movement that is like bring back
the journalists, because for a while it's been get the influence,
stars on the carpet, Get the influencers, get an actress.
(34:03):
Get someone who has something to promote to do the interviews.
That's fun, but they need to be in a secondary position.
You need someone who has learned. It's like learning a skill,
it's learning how to swim. Doing the interviews is just
a ten percent portion of actually managing a red carpet.
You have to be watching. I see britt Reese, I
know Selena is coming, I'm watching, I'm seeing the flow.
(34:24):
I'm listening next door to whoever is asking this, so
I don't ask the same question I'm you know, like
I'm figuring out how to wrap you get the next person.
Like there's a whole skill set involved that we don't
get credit for. And then you see these viral red
carpets of people just like flapping all over the place
and it's a mess, and people are like, this is
hard to watch. It's hard to watch because they don't
have that skill. And that's okay, but like put them
(34:47):
in a secondary position where they're just doing a Kiki, right, Yeah,
I would say Kiki Palmer is one of the only
people I know that's like not a professional interviewer that
can really really do a red carpet.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
They think that's so interesting, and that's true, and that's
what we want. We want like those little viral moments,
those little sound bites, that kind of thing. Yeah, let
me ask you this. So you and I are very
similar in this respect, But always on? Is it exhausting
for you to be always on?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Are you always on? And what does your not on
moment look?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Like? This is like so hard? Yeah, Like I actually
want to ask you. Can you answer after?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
This is a big challenge for me because and I
think for everyone, I'm on. So I get up in
the morning, there's emails, there's zooms, they're everything, and I'm Keelty.
I'm selling Keelty Night Industries if you will, I'm selling
the podcast, I'm selling our Lady World Festival, I'm selling
e news, I'm selling my endorsement deals. Like it's Keelty,
(35:50):
So no one else can do it for me, you
know what I mean? Like, there's so many things that
I have to answer to that I can't. People are
always like, oh, celebrities they have all that help. Yes,
yes I do. But there's a lot of times where
like they want Heather Dubro's answer, or Heather Dubro needs
to be on the zoom or Heather Dubro needs to
be filming, like there's no clone, and that's very difficult.
(36:11):
And by the time I get to my free time,
I'm so burnt out. I'm so stressed out. I'm so
depressed by the amount of rejection that I've had to
deal with. All day, I've been all these zooms. I'm selling,
I'm selling, I'm selling, I'm selling. By the time it
gets to seven thirty, I'm thinking about the doom scroll
of me, like, oh, I didn't do that read very
(36:31):
well at E News, and oh they didn't put this
thing up on Instagram for me, and oh, I said, no,
I got to find that money somehow for this, Like
it's a doom scrol. Oh that episode didn't do very
well of late again, like it's a doom scroll that
I'm just almost in a coma of my own critique.
And I just lay in my bed and I read
and I like look at the ceiling like I can't
do anything. So I don't know, and I go to therapy,
(36:53):
I do all the stuff, but it is it's just
a really I'm having a really hard time right now.
I've had a really hard six weeks of just like
what am I doing with my life? Why am I
working so hard? Like, and I'm really lucky. I love
my husband, I love my life. I'm able to do
nice things, which is so you're not allowed to complain.
Like George Clooney once said in an interview, he was like,
nobody wants to hear George Clooney complain, So I don't complain, right,
(37:16):
But like I think we all universally have the same stuff. Yes,
you know, now I'm lucky because I can throw money
at my problems, but it doesn't always help.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well, it's like money can't buy you happiness, but being
sad in Paris is like a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm sad. Let me add to KRT
Like yeah, for sure there is that element in but.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It doesn't fix what's upsetting you.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yes, I'm still sad. How do you turn on?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Like, Oh, I feel the same exact way you do.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
And it's funny because I just ran into a girl
at an event.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I can't say who, but who's also.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Well known and she's younger, she's like in her late thirties,
and she had this same exact answer basically that you
just said.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
If you look at her, you'd.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Be like, she's on top of the world, She's she's beautiful.
To got this, she got that da da, But she said,
this just happened. That just happened. This got rejected, this,
I failed at this didn't go well this d D
and I went but and I like gave her this
really great pep talk and it was great. We hugged
and loved seeing her. And I thought, gosh, wouldn't it
be nice if we could all just have like a
(38:22):
little therapy sash together and give each other that pep
talk because we're all going through it, but no one
it's like the Instagram thing where everyone's lives are perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
It's really not.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And it's like, I, like, you am very lucky. I
have a really great marriage, I have nice kids, we
have money, like there's nothing, there's nothing bad, you know,
knocking with that doesn't mean it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
The kids still argue with each other, Terry and I
still irritate each other, like right, all of those very
normal things.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But you know, I'm thinking, I actually don't have a team.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I've had tea, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I don't have a team, and I haven't I've been
a one man band for a long time, and I'm tired.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And in the same.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Way that I have purged my closet to the point
where you know, I have things that I can wear
and want to wear and don't worry.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
About the excess. I feel the same way about my career.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm in a mode of I need to be just
doing these things that bring me joy that I really
want to do.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
But how do I do that without? You know?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And it's the same thing, but they go, but you're
doing this and this and this and this, Like how
someone even said.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
To me, what more do you want? What more do
you need?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And it's like sometimes you have to realize there are
certain things you do.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And I'm not talking about housewives, by the way, there's
nothing cryptic here. I'm very proud of that and grateful
for that platform. Truly, I mean other things, but I
sometimes you do things as it means to an end.
It is a you know, a bridge right to get
to somewhere else. And we've done this our whole careers,
(40:04):
and so sometimes you just want to be on the
other side of the fucking bridge.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well and have options. And I think I think we
get in this like death spiral of like this is
just what we do. This is what we do, and
these are the pressures that are on it. It's nice
to be picked for stuff. It's nice to have a new,
fresh idea because we are such creative people, you know,
and such go getters, and it just it kind of
just gets frustrating. And I also think with the Instagram
(40:30):
and social of it all, you know, we could show
like the hustle and the highlight reel, Like the highlight
reel is there. But I find that when I share
the like work, or when I share a bad day,
what I get is like a either like oh, she's
just doing this for attention, like oh like god, kelty,
or I get a lot of like righteous people and
(40:54):
my dms telling me like all the fails of the earth.
Like they'll be like, oh wow, I'm so sorry, having
a hard day the children and blah blah blah, And
I'm like, oh, and that's why you don't complain. So
it's not actually our fault that we only show the
highlight reel, because when I do want to be like,
oh my god, I'm so tired or I'm exhausted, I
have too much on my plate and I I'm so depressed.
(41:15):
I cried myself to sleep, like people are like, what
do you have to cry about? Or you know who's
crying the animals in the well, and you're just like, but.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You can't, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
It's it's you know, I have found myself recently releasing
myself to all of that. Meaning I post the rifty
Thursday and there's people like, oh, please look at your
four hundred pairs of shoes in the background.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah that I have that too.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
And if I post bougie things, I get the opposite.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And you know, Terry and I have been doing these.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Really dumb tiktoks lately, which we enjoy and it's funny
and we'll get four million views or something crazy like that,
because if you know us, you know we've written three
books together, we've had podcasts together, we've had TV shows together,
we've had products for the last ten years. And on
a practical level, doing things like that is good for
(42:10):
our brand. Let's just call it what it is. Sure,
it's good for our brand, right, And the more audience
we get, the better it is, So that's all great.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I will also tell you it makes us laugh, right,
and our kids.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Think we're so cringey, and they think we're so ridiculous
and that makes me laugh morer And we don't do
all the trends right, and I'm not trying.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
To right right right, just being us and we are.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
So silly and so stupid together. And so what I'm
trying to do right now is not care so much.
People are following you because.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
They like you.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
It's the same reason why we got into podcasting. When
I remember Drew Pinsky said to me when I told
him I was going to do the show ten years ago,
crazy happy birthday, by the way you two, he said,
I go, oh, I need segments, and he goes, no,
people just want to hang out with you, and I go,
are you sure?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
But he's right.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
People want to hang out do you on Instagram, they
want to hang out with you on talk.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
They just want to hang out with you.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
And yeah, some people enjoy poaching you, and some people
enjoy celebrating you and everything in between.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
And that's life and it's all okay.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
But if you worry about chasing the likes and the
follows and the things, then.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You lost, I know.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
And it's just hard. It's also hard in my job
because I'll see myself losing jobs to people because they
have these things, you know what I mean, they're what
kind of things like, oh my god, I would love
to be on this red carpet, but I can't because
I don't have a million followers or whatever. Like that
is a real They used to do that with actors
(43:40):
the right right, No, even more so now the amount
of times that Becca on Ladygang, my co host, has
lost out on a job to someone who has a big,
bigger following than her, or maybe a famous last name
or something like that, and the casting director will literally
call and be like, we loved her for this, but
(44:01):
they want the they want the cloud.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
See that is just it's so brutal sot now. I mean,
it's hard enough to put yourself out there an audition
and be naked in front of people like that emotionally
and all of that, and be so talented and now
there's another layer, there's another layer, and you're.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Like crazy, like it's it's been.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
It's a challenge for me when I see people in
the red carpet because I'm like, this is what I do,
this is what I'm gonna have a three Emmys for this.
And I was like and I can't do it. And
you got this the TikToker too like that, and I
want I'm happy for everyone, and I'm like, oh, great, girl,
go live your dream like I'm happy for you. And
that's amazing. And I can can't partmentalize those two things.
(44:44):
But it burns.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Of course it burns.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's like, you know, I was a scripted actress and
then we would we were watching all these people start
to do reality and.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
It was like, oh, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
And I think I keep saying this, I think this
is true. I think I was the first actress that
was on that became a housewife. Kyle Richards right is
an actress, but she she wasn't she is now right,
she's acting again now she was when she was a kid,
she was a child actor. But when she joined the show,
she was not currently in the business.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I guess is what I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I'm not trying to take check her IMDb page.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I will check her I AMDB. No, she's so talented.
I'm not trying to take it anyway. But the reason
why I bring it up is I was, I mean,
in your career and not only that, ridiculed. You're not
an actress Angelina Joe Lee Is. I mean, I've taken
so much shit my IMDb everything throughout the years. But
other people on reality shows, other influencers can be given.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Uh guest starring roll out and you're like, oh, just
because you have a following.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
All right, wait, we're going to do a quick lightning
round of them. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I could talk to you for so I know already.
What's your go to karaoke song?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Faith, George Michael.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I've never sung karaoke, and we need to go. Most
embarrassing DM ever sent or received.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I dmd Ariana Grande after she broke up with Pete
Davidson and gave her some love advice.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Did you respond?
Speaker 3 (46:07):
She hearted it?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Do you think it's her?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
It's definitely a bot?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Okay, celebrity you'd love to swap lives with for one day?
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Heather up?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Okay besides me?
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Oh like one of like a Leo girlfriend in Saint Tirpe.
Oh like on the yacht.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
What's your guilty pleasure? Reality show? Oh?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Oh, I love uh the valley? What a guilty pleasure?
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Now? Yes? One word to describe your current vibe.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Depress, the and stress.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm telling you there's something in the air because everyone
I'm wrong. I thought it was just me and I'm
weirdly sober right now. Yeah, and so I'm really feeling
all of the feelings and I do not like it.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I mean, I don't want to have any more feelings. No,
I mean either, like, just can I can I beta
block my whole life?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes? Let me give you some pro panel well please
please sure have some somewhere. I love you. I could
talk to you first. Will you come back because we
didn't even we were going to play a game.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
We had a game, we had a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Get to the game.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I know. Love you.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I love this show.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Thanks for having me on, Thanks for being me.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
Just
Let's talk with Heather Dubro. Starts now. I don't even
know how you'd like to be introduced.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
She's a three time Emmy Winter New York Times best
selling author, veteran podcaster, co host of Heows. She's really
like one of the most driven, talented, insanely cool women
I know.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Please welcome Kelty Night.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hello, Heather Debro. I'm just like blinded by the ring
as per huge.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, are you into lab diamonds?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh my god, I have the greatest story for you
about this.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I want to hear it.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay, this is not I want to tell you she's
looking at my No, that's a real my ring.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It is not a lab diamond. Much to Terry chagrin.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
He would love if you were into it.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
No, no, he would have loved if he had known
about lab diamonds before he purchased this.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay, So last year at the Golden Globes, I lost
my diamond on the red carpet. Very viral moment and.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Kind of worth it for how viral it went.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean, I was like, what is all this girl
needs to do? When all the Emmys get a New
York Times bestseller. They're like, no, we don't care about you.
I'm like, lose a diamond. People are like, we're rooting
for you. I don't kill guys. Okay. So I lost
the diamond and I had no insurance on it because
it was pretty new, and I got reached out to
by a bunch of different companies that they were like, well,
(01:20):
replace your diamond, and because they saw it as a
pr opportunity, I was like, well, this is amazing. And
so I ended up working with this company and they
replaced my diamond and they upgraded it to like a
four carrot diamond and it's beautiful and I love it
so much, and so I talk about that I wear
it sometimes, not all the time, and so like, you know,
it's not a date, well you're a day war but anyway,
(01:42):
so Justin knows the whole story that this is a
lab diamond, but it's really fabulous and I love it.
And we went to dinner with you and Terry. This
was months ago. Terry, Heather Justin Sylvester, my co host
ONNY News, Me and my husband Chris, and we went
and you said something shit about you were like you
(02:03):
were like yeah, and she wears lab diamonds, and Justin
Sylvester looked at me across the table and he goes
like this, you didn't see it. But he goes and
looked at my diamond in my hand, look back up
at me. We laughed so hard. The next day in
the Glamorom he was like, he was like, don't tell
(02:24):
Heather to bro. You can never tell her it's a
lab diamond. She won't want to go to dinner with
you anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Oh my god, that's so funny. Well, I will tell
you how you changed your mind.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I think I have so I by the way, that's
fucking hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I would never judge you for the lab.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
But you know, Justin's looks where he goes, well, because
here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
What I have a hard time, what I was having
a hard time wrapping my brain around, is that it's
actually a real diamond.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's not like.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's a cubic zirconia or you know, like a white
sapphire masquerading.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yes, this is diamond.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Mot a site to its right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's a real diamond.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And then you know, when you think about, you know,
ethically sourced diamonds, how difficult it is for the environment,
the how they mine the diamonds. But also I heard, wait,
you're drinking an energy drink. I just squirreled out, we're
gonna talk about that, okay. But also I heard that
lab grown diamonds are also bad for the environment.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes you know that, Yes, well everything's bad for the
environ Yes, but I will say that there actually is
no difference. And I know this because I had these.
Sorry I'm wearing a triple. These are real, but these
are also a lab grown stud He did admit it,
but they did. I didn't like the setting in them,
so I had them reset and I took it to
(03:49):
a jeweler i'd never worked with before, just near my house,
to just be like, hey, what can you do? And
he put the thing on and he had no idea.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Because there's they can't tell. They can't tell.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
So here's the thing about the lab diamonds is that
there's I guess from what I understand, not that I'm
an expert. Maybe we need chat GVT, something else we
need to talk about, okay, but uh, there's a machine.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I guess it's like twenty grand for this machine.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
They can't tell, that can tell, But no one has
the machine, because who's going to buy a machine to tell?
And who cares when the regular tester thing can't tell
what kind of diamond is because it's a real diamond.
It was just made in a lab. I had three
of my four children or IVF does it make a difference.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Right, that's true, That's very true. My question is this.
I would only be mad if I was you and
I had a beautiful collection of diamonds that are very
high worth because you've invested over the years, like that
is a very expensive diamond. The lab diamonds are lowering
the price of diamonds because now anyone can go and
(04:54):
get a four carrot diamond for under ten grand if
they want, right, So I would be mad if I
was at a place my life where I was debroing
where I was like, oh god, now you know, Or
if I was like Queen Camilla over in the palace
or Princess Kate being like I'm gonna get the tiara
and now now it's not really worth any as much.
I would be mad if that was my thing. But
(05:15):
I feel like, I think it's nice. I think it's
nice that people can go get a lab diamond. I
think it's nice to think of, like maybe the children
not being like digging, you know, like I just like
the idea of it, and for me it works with
because I would never spend that much money on jewelry.
I don't care about jewelry that much. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Well, listen, we were with friends recently and they have
plenty of money, right and they could have still went
for it. I still went for the lab diamond, and
I thought, okay, you know what, I kind of get it.
But what it's interesting to me is I wonder what
will become precious now, Like, right, is it going to
turn to ruby's?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Were diamonds ever precious? Because I heard it was like
a whole shanagle from I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Know, there's straight Yeah, I know there's a lot of
like that.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Ermes Burkin feels precious to me because I watched a
video of how it takes them like a year to
make them. Like it's like that to me is very precious.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Craftsmanship is precious, right.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So maybe a diamond Like maybe we've been hoodwinked into
thinking that diamonds are precious and they're not.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Maybe, So I don't know, I don't know, but I
don't have to say, I don't feel judging, And I
will tell you about the studs.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I had a pair of they lost you're Kim Kardashian
and the Boro Bora.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I lost the diamonds, yes, exactly. So I lost my
studs in Las Vegas years ago. They were ensured.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I got the money for them, and instead of replacing them.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Because I was like, studs are so plain.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Sometimes you want gold, sometimes you want silvers, and you
know whatever. So what I did was I bought my
first piece of Van Cleef jewelry.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I bought this.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Necklace, and I bought Nordstroham fake earrings.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, like a Cubis of Coronia, like a Cubic sit.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
They were like fifty bucks and they were big and
they were great, and I was like, I'm gonna wear
these till I figured it out. And I never bought
studs again because they seem so plain to me. Spend
money special thing, right, So I never So I kind
of get it.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I understand it. I don't have any lab diamonds, but
I'm not against it.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Wow. Okay, So twenty twenty five Heather Dubro where I
will report back to Justin Sylvester tonight. I work I
do want to ask you somethings. There's this whole thing
going on. There's there's two things. I'm sorry. I know
this is your show and I always do this.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
No, I love this. Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
There's this whole thing now with the tariffs and TikTok
and people are saying, you know, go right to the
manufacturer of these bags and stuff, and how the burkins
and all the bags, like, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
On the tear like fur?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
No, like the fake fake burkins, the Amazon burkin, Like,
do you care?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I do care?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You care a lot.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I care about copyright infringement. This is what I care about.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I don't like. So we're doing lab.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Diamonds, we're doing real diamonds, okay, but they're all real diamonds, right, okay, understood,
and we're all being very transparent about it, right okay.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't like copyright in frig.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Wants someone spent time designing something. It drives me insane.
When I'm in Manhattan and I see a table of
fake Van Cleeve bracelets and they look good, right, it
irritates me. Someone designed this. This is their proprietary design.
You shouldn't be knocked off.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't like.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I remember once walking by a Michael korsder and I
love Michael course, I think he's an amazing designer. But
in the window we're knockoffs of Valentino bags. I mean
the same studs, right, the same patterns. And I was like,
you're Michael Cores.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
What are you doing?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's their thing?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Look, that's their thing. I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's not for you. I mean, I used to be
a shoe model for Steve Madden and Manhattan in my
early days, and they also ripped off like it's but
they're in. It's inspired by it's not exact.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's not exact, and there's a difference between trends and copy.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yes, right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
The trend is a bucket bag, The trend is a
bucket bag.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
The trend is Leopard, the trend is Camo, the trend
is neon. Those are all things. I mean, yes, you
can go to Zara and Uya and tweed jackets that
are very Chanelle looking vibes, but they don't have fake
sea buttons on them, right, right, right, That's where I
(09:33):
draw the line.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
My next thing is I noticed on your Instagram, which
is fantastic by the way you're doing like you're doing
like a savvy spender thing. I rifty thrifty Thursdays. Okay,
I want to implore you to switch over. There's a
woman taking over TikTok right now. Her name's Becca Bloom.
She it's they're calling it how to Rich Write, And
(09:57):
you know, listen, I actually appreciate because I know last
season on Housewives, you wore a lot of like leagaunts
and like stuff like that that like the regular PLEDs
of the world can afford. But Becca Bloom is very,
very rich, and every day she gives us a TikTok
and she's just doing her life. Yeah, but it's like
the most insane shit ever. She's like, oh my god,
(10:18):
look at my fiance just told me to come downstairs,
and like she opens a box and it's like a
Chanelle tennis racket, Like I feel like that's your life.
And then she's like, let me play my cat's food
and she's like putting a little caviaar on it. Like
I think thrifty Thursday. Thrifty Thursday is great, but I'm
gonna need like fold deerbro Monday.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Okay, I understand what you're saying. Here's the thing about me.
I'm a little bit of both you are. And that's
just the truth.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Like, I don't live like I'm not putting I've been
in your closet.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah it's great.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
We have not seen it enough.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
No, it's true.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But I I feel like people see on housewives. Yeah,
so much of the bougie stuff that when I want
to when I start posting the more regular like when
I buy stuff from Amazon.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Although sometimes I'm so stupid.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I was saying to the girls one day, I'm like,
oh I got the I was wearing these pink leggings
and I'm like, oh, I got them on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And Shannon looked at the tag.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
She's like, those are like four hundred dollars leggings. I
don't care that you bought the money.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, matter, we bought it. But I need you to
do like come with me and rate my Chanel bags,
and I need you to rate them from like one
to ten. I get so much shit for that, know,
but you just have to lean Ina. But Becka bloom
Is she's very much like you. She is rich, but
like she's so wonderful, and that's the difference I appreciate.
(11:38):
She's not rich, like I'm rich and you can't have it.
She's like, okay, well she has a job, she works,
she hustles, and she's like, okay, guys, I was feeling
a little low today. Let me do my skincare. And
she's like and then I take the octopus squid row
and you're just like, what this is like a level
of fabulousness and start following her name beak, It'll be
(12:01):
your inspiration. I want like rich bitch Mondays with Heather Deris.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh my god, you are so funny.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I can't stay but yet you can't even clean your glasses,
like you really are a hot No.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I am a hot mess, especially right now.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Okay, okay, but speaking of that, you know, I it's
funny every season on the show, like, not intentionally, but
I seem to have like a wardrobe vibe.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Like one year was very into brooches.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, we love a broach, And one year is into logos.
I had logo mania, one year whatever. And I don't
really do it intentionally, but there seems.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
To be it's like a theme.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, my daughter said Max said to me a couple
maybe two years ago. She was like, I really like
that old money look.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
You know what I mean, like that beauty, like like
Sophia Ritchie right old money when she got married and
had all those Chanel dresses.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And she paid for those. By the way, they were
not a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Because she can't exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, Lionel, you're.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But I loved that and I was like, oh, that's
very mean. And so we started talking about quiet Luxury.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So do you think quiet luxury is overhyped or did
it just need like a little sparkle For me?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I find the like quiet luxury, the goop of it all,
like the very like there's not a label on anything.
I find it very boring for me. Yeah, because I
am a show girl, Like I want to wear a
sequin jacket on a Monday at eleven, like I want, But.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Does it need a logo on it?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
It doesn't need a logo. It's just a way of dressing.
Like Jasmine Tuk's the supermodel. She does it very well.
She'll be in like it was like Megan Markle in
her in her show. Like it's like a white linen
pant and a shirt and like the shirt. T shirt's
probably from the Goop store or whatever that ca it's
cashmere and it's a four hundred dollars T shirt from
the Row, but like I could wear the same one.
(13:56):
It's Haines and I got it at Walmart, you know
what I mean. But so for me, it's not special enough.
I like to be I'm a Girlhood's Like, I'll show
you my shoe right now, Like I like an accouterment
which I know, got like slides with stuff Veronica beards,
like these are my yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
These are my plate shoes.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, Okay, So that's that's the difference. I think it's
great on some people, and I do love if you're
on a budget, quiet luxury is the trends to follow
because it is something that you can go to Zara.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, but I see that's where we disagreed, because I
think the whole point of quiet luxury is you can't
do it because it's about the quality of the.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Items, and that's the way you hold yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's definitely the way you hold yourself because it's in
the wearing of it. Someone could wear something, you know,
not expensive and make it look more elevated one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
But it's funny.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It's funny you talk about that because I distinctly remember
thinking to myself several years ago that I was ready
to have more expensive basics.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh yeah, and that to me, it's a womanhood. There's like, yeah,
I want.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I was like, I remember seeing a sweater. This could
have been ten years ago, but I remember seeing a
sweater and thinking, see, I would love to own that
sweater because it's not important.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's something you would just throw on.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Right, and you throw it on, but it's like rich bitch.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, but you would throw it on to go to pilates,
like I have this, Like in my bag, I have
this Selene sweat. This is so obnoxious, by the way,
and not relate. This is the not relatable.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Portion, riching bitch.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I have well.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Leopard Selene cardigan in my bag and like something like that.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Years ago.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I would hold it, I would save it. I need
it's mom, I throw it on to wear it to plates.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But I love that, Like you gotta wear your things.
You must, Yeah, you must wear your things.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Must wear your things.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I went to a birthday party this weekend and I
had bought a Bob Mackey ridiculous vintage crop top shirt
that I think was supposed to go over our gown.
And I'm like I could be normal tonight. I was like, no,
I'm wearing my seat when Bob Mackie crop top to
a house party, and it's just like that makes me
so happy and life is sure, you got to wear it.
(16:09):
I actually love when you do the like full when
you're a little more costume. Me too. Like I there
was one episode of House I think you were I
can't remember what season was, but you were like maybe
you're not a golf course, but you had like a blazer,
like you look like Andy walking into the Vogue offices
and Dobleware's product when she like after the makeover, it
was like a little kilt thing, and like, I just
love that. I think it should be fun.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think it should be fun too. And I think
dressing should be fun. I haven't had a stylist in
a few years. Yeah, and I'm loving dressing my just
doing just doing it. And I don't care, Like I
don't care what anyone thinks. I don't care if they
like it or not. I'm just embracing it. But what
I have found is I want less things.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, it's the purge of the years, like we're purging.
I just did a huge closet purge.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
What do you do with your things? Do you sell
it to real real? Do you?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
No? I'm very lucky. I have a niece who just
turned thirteen, and she's tall like me and wants it
all she wants. She comes over. I've put a pile
on the floor and she picks what she wants. I
give a lot to like just people in my life.
I bring stuff to E because a lot of the
makeup artists and stuff, I'm just like, does anyone, like
I'm just sick of wearing this? Does anyone want it?
So I kind of like, get it away nice. I'll
sell some stuff, but most of the stuff that I
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have that's worth anything, I'm keeping, Like I'm at that point.
But it's actually we were talking about this. I invested
in this app called Alta. Not that this is an ad,
but no, no, this is good.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I wanted to talk very interesting to Alta.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Is okay, So Alta means in Latin it means elevated,
and so basically what it is is it's like a
digital It's the clueless closet in an app. Okay, so basically.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You have to take pictures of all your stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Well, it's a scan through so you can literally go
like this and flip through your closet and it will
scan everything, and then it searches the internet and names
it like it can find that you put that slipper
and you just scan it. It'll fill in all the info.
You know, Casual Louis Vuitton Slide Black like, it'll fill
it all in. But they also have a service where
they'll come and do your whole closet, so you you
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you put your whole closet together and then there's many
many things you can do, so you basically could wake
up in the morning, it tells you what the weather's
going to be like today, and you can say I'm
going to lunch and then a work dinner, and then
it will take your closet and it figures out base
the AI. There's twenty two models. It figures out based
on the trends on the internet. So like what Vogue
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is talking about, what Ell is talking about, it will
put the outfits together.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
For you if all your accessories and everything, all.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Your accessories and you can switch things out or whatever.
Or for me, like I just bought a new pair
of like insane Chloe boots. They go over the knee
they're all studied. They're ridiculous. You can click on that
item and say style this item, and it goes through
and it adds address, and then it gives you a
skinny gene with a sweater, look for casual and whatever,
and you can save them. There's also a calendar so
you can like do your looks. You could do a
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packing trip so you can say to it, hey, I'm
going to Italy for two weeks. I want to pack
a carry on. These are the dates I'm going. It
looks up the weather and you say I want to
have a flat shoe for sight seeing. And there's one
night that's a formal wedding, and it will put the outfits.
You can mess things up, you can play with it,
and then it gives you a packing list. Pack one
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white T shirt, this pair of jeans, like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh my god, just so you know I'm doing this
to no, I.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Will send you a person to do your closet.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay, I need that.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But it's it's really amazing. And the reason I think
it's so important, and what you were saying is like
I want less, is that we live in this thing
where you have your closet and everything's bunched together. Most
of us. Your closet is very beautiful, but most of
everything's bunched together, and you're like, I have nothing to wear, right,
But then when you can actually see it in front
of you, it's different. It's kind of like doing taxes.
(19:46):
You look at your taxes and you look at the spreadsheet.
You're damn, must havenent that much money on four and Amazon.
But you're like, wait, And what I love the most
is I could take a picture of you, Heather de
bro I see something you wear on Housewives or something
you do your outfit. I can screenshot that picture, I
upload it to Alta. It will make me the same
outfit out of my own clothes.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, that's what I'll tell you what I love the
most about that. I will sometimes buy an item that
I I.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just love it.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
It doesn't belong, but it belongs with nothing in my friends,
It has no friends, It has no friends, and I'm
really unsure or I realize, oh, I have too many
tops and not enough bottoms, but I really don't understand
what kind of bottoms go with these tops.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's what I need.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And the other thing it can do just it can
you can do that? And be like style me, and
then it will the AI will tell you, well, Gigi
Hidid is wearing this with this low slung gene and
this is the gene they saw her in the paparazzi
picture and you can shop it directly from the app.
That's so, that's how the app makes money, is like
affiliate links when you shot.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So aren't you worried that AI is going to take
over every single job?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I know AI is going to take over every single job,
Like there's no doubt in my mind it's coming. I
know there will be an AI giving you entertainment news
on E news in two years, Like, I know it's coming.
But the thing that they can't take away is us
in real life, like real life events like birthday parties,
you know, weddings like all of that kind of stuff.
So we just have to transition to, you know, using
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AI where it helps us and then really enjoying our
life when we're out in the real world.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, I wonder if it's going to help us actually
unplug more.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I'm like, I want to have a big, grand answer
for you, but yeah, I will tell you, this app
really helps me get dressed and helps me stay organized.
And like, I just I like AI for that, Like
I like chat GBT for that, Like I'm I'm into that.
What I'm not into is we had a situation. I
don't know if this has happened to you yet. We
had a situation on the Lady Gang podcast where we
were talking about shaving our vaginas sorry, and waxing and
(21:51):
uh like what's cool and what people are doing now?
And a company took that video and Ai' beca toobin
my host's voice for their Razor company and then was
running dark ads against Lady Gang on the web, and
so our fans were getting there just like we didn't
hear you, guys, this is not what you said on
the podcast, but they aied the voice. I had something
(22:13):
similar happened to me on TV. I was talking about
Kelly Clarkson and someone took a clip of me talking
about Kelly Clarkson and they aied my voice and then
it talked about Kelly Clarkson these diet pills that she
was using in twenty four hours, and I was like,
we would never do that story, and it went everywhere.
My mom was like, my mom wrote me and she goes,
do those Kelly Clarkson diet pills really work.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
It's so scary.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
It's like, I remember I used to do that with
the ads with the Ginko Bobobo whatever it was called,
because they had one for me and Terry, same thing.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I remember that. Yeah, and you're like, this doesn't seem
like something they would promote.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah, And it was also we didn't promote that item.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Right right, that was just crazy, so weird. So I
think it's weird. I think it's scary. I think it's
all eh. I think that it's fun to find ways
that it can help.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I hope all of that is true, because Terry and
I have been taking a little bit of like a
dark spiral yeah, yeah, dive and we end up with, Wow, we.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Should just more, have sex more, and spend more.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
We're all going to be goldfish to the AI robots
five hundreds.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's all very But that's why I think, like real talk, podcasting,
television shows like those are the things that well can
like you can't.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Well, this is my thing.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You can't replicate the unpredictability of humans.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, so you can.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Replicate many things, and AI can have empathy and all
these different things, but you can't replicate the actual human condition.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
And emotions, so that's the only thing, yeah that you.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Know, it's I think it's a It's a big, new,
really scary world. And I'm glad I'm not a kid,
like I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
For it because I can don't be a doctor, don't
be a lawyer, don't be an architect.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
All those things are going to go away.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Right, You're like, you know, we even even graphic design, like,
it's it's wild out there.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
All right, I'm gonna ask you some dumb questions. Okay, okay,
this is would you rather would you rather be stuck?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I know the answer to this.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Would you rather be stuck at an elevator with a
method actor in character or reality star in full drama mode?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Reality starsha?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Would you rather have your worst ex? Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Would you rather have your worst ex give a red
carpet interview about you or your mom?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Honestly, the haters make you famous, so I think my
worst ax me too.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Also, because if your mom gives the interview, people believe it. Yeah,
there's no it's her mother, Yeah, no, thank you. Would
you rather trip on the met galistairs or be caught
wearing last season shoes to the Oscars.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, well I've done both. I tripped on the I
tripped on the Grammy Red Carpet this year. Unfortunately I
did it. I'm so dumb. I didn't do it on purpose,
but I fell in the backstage area and everyone's like,
you did it on purpose for press, because it of
course went viral too. And I was like, you guys
know that if I was doing this for press, I
would have done it in front of the photographers, right
nobody secret? Yeah, Like the security guard was like idiot,
(25:22):
Like Derek, that was it you seeing?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I remember seeing.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
And I always wear last year's shoes because I feel
like I actually don't. That's the one thing I'm very
thrifty on.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I will shoe.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I used shoe. I'm so hard on my shoes. I will.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
As a dancer, you would.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Buy a U shoe one hundred percent?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Really, I don't know, No, I will.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, No, that's where you draw the Lineyeah, I draw
the line.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well, first of all, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Like used things, Yes, I know this about it.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I don't like other people's energy.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Just sage that violence. Yes, the shoes are too expensive.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to buy the shoe I wanted.
You are like, well, I did buy the shoes for
the oscars, which are so annoying. They were like twelve
hundred dollars flat and I was like, I'll never wear
this is satin sling back pump. I had to have it.
It went with the dress. I will never wear the
shoe again. This is the year.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Now you have to what color is the shoe?
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Nude but like a satin shoe.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Can you diet wear?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Maybe black? Yeah, that's a good idea. See, that's why
I come to you.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
But you should die different bitch tips, but you should
die at different colors. Like I remember for my sister's wedding,
she had like this crazy colored dress that we have
to wear. And Vira Wang made shoes that year, and
she made a pump that was a toe shoe.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Oh it was so gorgeous and it was.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Really tall with a platform in the front. And I
must have died them. They were silk. I died them
like three times.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
They were so great.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
So if they're nw, die of the color.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, and then die black men die in black?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Oh my god, this is this is why I come
to you.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
See, that's why rich Riching. Well do you love that? Ye?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Tell me about this?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Tell me about people think that red carpets are very glamorous. Now,
you and I both though, and you're much more comfortable
than I am because I've never been on your side
of it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
But you know it's fraught with you know, your insecure.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Does your hair LOCALCA? Should you have powdered right before?
I mean, like all the crazy thoughts. What something that
people don't realize that totally sucks about the Red carpet.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Well, first of all, I will say I would love
to see you doing more Red carpets, And I know
Glad has a bigger presence on the Red carpet interviewing.
They had Kroshelle on the Grammys, Like, I really feel
like you should reach out and do something like that.
You would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Because you're interview people.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
You're not it's a little lower lowbrow for you, but
I think you would be amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, Red carpets. The thing that sucks is waiting for
people because they and going behind the gates. Okay, so
basically when I started in Red carpets, it was like
a free for all. There was like the pavement where
you stood and then where the carpet began, and so
it was like, you know, a threshold, and it was
a like a visual threshold. And then I think it's
(27:58):
my fault. But there was a Grammy where Rihanna wasn't
stopping for me. And I always had a rule. This
is when we had our microphones like plugged in. For
a red carpet, a lot of times you can't use
a okay, I was like, I need forty foot like
I need a forty footer because I might need to
chase after someone. And so Rihanna was walking by me
shoes wearing the pink cupcat dress at the Grammys. I
jumped off my spot and I literally chased that girl
(28:19):
like we I did the interview and it was like
forty feet away, like I chased her down the carpet
to be like really, Rah, And there's a picture of
me being like like I'm running after her. And then
since then they've gotten really smart. They put us behind things.
So they put you behind a gate at the Metcala.
They put you behind like a they'd love to do
like a shrub. They'd love to have you like on
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the other side of a shrub, but the shrub is
like two feet wide. I remember the Critics' Choice one year.
I was like, I couldn't even reach Margot Robbie because
the shrub was so big. And I think it's my
fault because I chased Rihanna, Like I'm almost positive. People
are like, we need to like cattle, but you feel
like you're you literally feel like you're cattle. And they're
like always like the fire Marshal, and I was like, well,
the Marshall didn't do this in twenty fourteen, so I
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don't know, like did you change anyway? So that The
other thing I want your listeners to understand is that
I was actually just somewhere and someone looked at a
picture from a red carpet and I was like, don't worry.
That's not what she looks like. We're all more wrinkly,
we're all more creepy, we're all older than we look. Yes,
you don't understand. Even the Getty images they have lights
(29:24):
up high and they're shooting these cameras that have huge
flashes on them, red carpet photos, celebrity photos, like they
don't look like that in real.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Life which is why we love them.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
One hundred percent. I don't want my celebrities to be normal.
That would be so boring. So I want you to
be fabulous. Take me into your fabulous world, do you
know what I mean? But like, I'll look at a
red carpet picture of me and I'm like, that is
not how who woke up? Like it's so much makeup,
as so much little tips. It's about how you tailor
the clothes, it's about how you stand, it's about.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
How you hold your mouth, all those things, and that
they're capturing you and that the one they're posting is
great and all of that, and honestly, for everyone to
understand it, when you're on the red carpet and having
pictures taken like, it's a lot of pressure. It's a
lot of pressure to stand there.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Are you holding your coat? Are you handing it to someone?
Are you holding your bag? Which way?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Are you standing right? Are you looking from left to right?
They're yelling at you, and everyone's yelling you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And someone get a little irritated.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Some of them are calling you Kelsey and you're like,
that's not my name.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Bitch, and so you just ignore that and you're irritated,
and they write your name on a piece of paper
and they hold it up so everyone knows who you are.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yes, and it's so embarrassing. And then like at the
Vanity Fair Oscar party this year, there's like a viral
thing of Kendall Jenner, who's so big supermodel, and then
Lisa from Black Pink comes and like everyone stops yelling
Kendall's name and they're like even the photographer's center in
front of her are yelling at Lisa, and Kendall's looking
over like who the fuck is this bitch? Like it
is like a competition for attention.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's like so crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
You have to be such a strong person because a
red carpet will break you.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
The thing that I have trouble with is when you
all right. So what happens when you go in these
red carps is that they're typically you do photos first.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, so there's all the still photographers.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
So you do that and you walk through, and then
there's the electronic press, so you have you on the ground.
You can see who everyone is. There's people, there's US Weekly,
there's E News.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
They put down little papers that have the outlets.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right, what is the etiquette I've always been curious about this.
So if you're there and someone is talking to you,
someone is talking to the news, but you catch my eye,
yeah right, and you're looking at me, and I'm like,
all right, kill you. Yeah, probably wants to talk.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, how long should we stand there?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Because as long as it takes, because then there becomes
like this backlog and you feel so awkward yes, staying
there that sometimes Terry and I will just move on.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yes. I it's a very and this for the for
the people watching, this is the situation that happened at
the Grammys this year that you might have saw that's
viral between Babyface and Chapel Roone. In my opinion, the
interviews did not handle it well. But it's not one
hundred percent their fault. They're interviewing Babyface and they see
Chapel Round come by and like Chapel's I said a
(32:02):
big moment and they're like, okay, thanks baby Face, and
then they're like chack a chap and they're yelling for her.
The problem is is that, I mean, in an ideal world,
you have a great publicist that is kind of working
that carpet for you, and they're going, okay, we'll go
to Extra cause it's open, and then we'll come back
to E when Kelty's open, Like they'll do that magic
for you. If you're by yourself, there's no harm in waiting,
(32:23):
Like if I catch your eye, it means don't move.
Like what I'm trying to say is just hang out
there for it. And it's going to feel long for
you because you're just standing there. You're hanging and you're
in the background. But the truth is, like none of
this really is live unless you're on an E Live
red carpet, and even then, like we need you to wait,
but we want to talk to you, like the press
is there to help you know. And if we've invested
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all this time and energy and funds to come to
this carpet, it's because we saw a tip sheet that
said Heather and Tarra Dubro are going to be there.
So I have done all this work behind the scenes, Heather.
I've prepared my questions. I've googled you, I've figured out
what's next. I've watched the latest trailer for.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
So you want to talk to me?
Speaker 3 (33:00):
So I want to talk to you. I have questions
for you. I've done that prep Like if you were
coming to an event that you're on the list, and
we know you're going to be there. I'm so mad
when you walk in. It bugs me so much. Like
I understand if you're not going to do any press
or people that are like, you know, I just saw
you at E and day ago, like fine, but like
people want to talk to you, so you should stop
even though it feels weird.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, nobody cares. I totally get that.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And for the people that are on the press line,
it must be very difficult for you if they're giving
you like the monologue of all monologues. It's like speaking soundbites.
Please realize, baby Jesus yet that there's a million people
that also want to be spoken to.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Ye, like take your moment, answer a couple of questions,
move on.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yes, that is that can be very difficult. And you're
looking and you're like uh huh, and then I'm looking
around trying to see who else is there, like it
is an art And I think that's why, like, thank
god there is this movement that is like bring back
the journalists, because for a while it's been get the influence,
stars on the carpet, Get the influencers, get an actress.
(34:03):
Get someone who has something to promote to do the interviews.
That's fun, but they need to be in a secondary position.
You need someone who has learned. It's like learning a skill,
it's learning how to swim. Doing the interviews is just
a ten percent portion of actually managing a red carpet.
You have to be watching. I see britt Reese, I
know Selena is coming, I'm watching, I'm seeing the flow.
(34:24):
I'm listening next door to whoever is asking this, so
I don't ask the same question I'm you know, like
I'm figuring out how to wrap you get the next person.
Like there's a whole skill set involved that we don't
get credit for. And then you see these viral red
carpets of people just like flapping all over the place
and it's a mess, and people are like, this is
hard to watch. It's hard to watch because they don't
have that skill. And that's okay, but like put them
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in a secondary position where they're just doing a Kiki, right, Yeah,
I would say Kiki Palmer is one of the only
people I know that's like not a professional interviewer that
can really really do a red carpet.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
They think that's so interesting, and that's true, and that's
what we want. We want like those little viral moments,
those little sound bites, that kind of thing. Yeah, let
me ask you this. So you and I are very
similar in this respect, But always on? Is it exhausting
for you to be always on?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Are you always on? And what does your not on
moment look?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Like? This is like so hard? Yeah, Like I actually
want to ask you. Can you answer after?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (35:29):
This is a big challenge for me because and I
think for everyone, I'm on. So I get up in
the morning, there's emails, there's zooms, they're everything, and I'm Keelty.
I'm selling Keelty Night Industries if you will, I'm selling
the podcast, I'm selling our Lady World Festival, I'm selling
e news, I'm selling my endorsement deals. Like it's Keelty,
(35:50):
So no one else can do it for me, you
know what I mean? Like, there's so many things that
I have to answer to that I can't. People are
always like, oh, celebrities they have all that help. Yes,
yes I do. But there's a lot of times where
like they want Heather Dubro's answer, or Heather Dubro needs
to be on the zoom or Heather Dubro needs to
be filming, like there's no clone, and that's very difficult.
(36:11):
And by the time I get to my free time,
I'm so burnt out. I'm so stressed out. I'm so
depressed by the amount of rejection that I've had to
deal with. All day, I've been all these zooms. I'm selling,
I'm selling, I'm selling, I'm selling. By the time it
gets to seven thirty, I'm thinking about the doom scroll
of me, like, oh, I didn't do that read very
(36:31):
well at E News, and oh they didn't put this
thing up on Instagram for me, and oh, I said, no,
I got to find that money somehow for this, Like
it's a doom scrol. Oh that episode didn't do very
well of late again, like it's a doom scroll that
I'm just almost in a coma of my own critique.
And I just lay in my bed and I read
and I like look at the ceiling like I can't
do anything. So I don't know, and I go to therapy,
(36:53):
I do all the stuff, but it is it's just
a really I'm having a really hard time right now.
I've had a really hard six weeks of just like
what am I doing with my life? Why am I
working so hard? Like, and I'm really lucky. I love
my husband, I love my life. I'm able to do
nice things, which is so you're not allowed to complain.
Like George Clooney once said in an interview, he was like,
nobody wants to hear George Clooney complain, So I don't complain, right,
(37:16):
But like I think we all universally have the same stuff. Yes,
you know, now I'm lucky because I can throw money
at my problems, but it doesn't always help.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well, it's like money can't buy you happiness, but being
sad in Paris is like a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm sad. Let me add to KRT
Like yeah, for sure there is that element in but.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It doesn't fix what's upsetting you.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yes, I'm still sad. How do you turn on?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Like, Oh, I feel the same exact way you do.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
And it's funny because I just ran into a girl
at an event.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I can't say who, but who's also.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Well known and she's younger, she's like in her late thirties,
and she had this same exact answer basically that you
just said.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
If you look at her, you'd.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Be like, she's on top of the world, She's she's beautiful.
To got this, she got that da da, But she said,
this just happened. That just happened. This got rejected, this,
I failed at this didn't go well this d D
and I went but and I like gave her this
really great pep talk and it was great. We hugged
and loved seeing her. And I thought, gosh, wouldn't it
be nice if we could all just have like a
(38:22):
little therapy sash together and give each other that pep
talk because we're all going through it, but no one
it's like the Instagram thing where everyone's lives are perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
It's really not.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And it's like, I, like, you am very lucky. I
have a really great marriage, I have nice kids, we
have money, like there's nothing, there's nothing bad, you know,
knocking with that doesn't mean it's perfect.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
The kids still argue with each other, Terry and I
still irritate each other, like right, all of those very
normal things.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But you know, I'm thinking, I actually don't have a team.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I've had tea, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I don't have a team, and I haven't I've been
a one man band for a long time, and I'm tired.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
And in the same.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Way that I have purged my closet to the point
where you know, I have things that I can wear
and want to wear and don't worry.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
About the excess. I feel the same way about my career.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm in a mode of I need to be just
doing these things that bring me joy that I really
want to do.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
But how do I do that without? You know?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And it's the same thing, but they go, but you're
doing this and this and this and this, Like how
someone even said.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
To me, what more do you want? What more do
you need?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
And it's like sometimes you have to realize there are
certain things you do.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And I'm not talking about housewives, by the way, there's
nothing cryptic here. I'm very proud of that and grateful
for that platform. Truly, I mean other things, but I
sometimes you do things as it means to an end.
It is a you know, a bridge right to get
to somewhere else. And we've done this our whole careers,
(40:04):
and so sometimes you just want to be on the
other side of the fucking bridge.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Well and have options. And I think I think we
get in this like death spiral of like this is
just what we do. This is what we do, and
these are the pressures that are on it. It's nice
to be picked for stuff. It's nice to have a new,
fresh idea because we are such creative people, you know,
and such go getters, and it just it kind of
just gets frustrating. And I also think with the Instagram
(40:30):
and social of it all, you know, we could show
like the hustle and the highlight reel, Like the highlight
reel is there. But I find that when I share
the like work, or when I share a bad day,
what I get is like a either like oh, she's
just doing this for attention, like oh like god, kelty,
or I get a lot of like righteous people and
(40:54):
my dms telling me like all the fails of the earth.
Like they'll be like, oh wow, I'm so sorry, having
a hard day the children and blah blah blah, And
I'm like, oh, and that's why you don't complain. So
it's not actually our fault that we only show the
highlight reel, because when I do want to be like,
oh my god, I'm so tired or I'm exhausted, I
have too much on my plate and I I'm so depressed.
(41:15):
I cried myself to sleep, like people are like, what
do you have to cry about? Or you know who's
crying the animals in the well, and you're just like, but.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You can't, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
It's it's you know, I have found myself recently releasing
myself to all of that. Meaning I post the rifty
Thursday and there's people like, oh, please look at your
four hundred pairs of shoes in the background.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah that I have that too.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
And if I post bougie things, I get the opposite.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
And you know, Terry and I have been doing these.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Really dumb tiktoks lately, which we enjoy and it's funny
and we'll get four million views or something crazy like that,
because if you know us, you know we've written three
books together, we've had podcasts together, we've had TV shows together,
we've had products for the last ten years. And on
a practical level, doing things like that is good for
(42:10):
our brand. Let's just call it what it is. Sure,
it's good for our brand, right, And the more audience
we get, the better it is, So that's all great.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I will also tell you it makes us laugh, right,
and our kids.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Think we're so cringey, and they think we're so ridiculous
and that makes me laugh morer And we don't do
all the trends right, and I'm not trying.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
To right right right, just being us and we are.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
So silly and so stupid together. And so what I'm
trying to do right now is not care so much.
People are following you because.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
They like you.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
It's the same reason why we got into podcasting. When
I remember Drew Pinsky said to me when I told
him I was going to do the show ten years ago,
crazy happy birthday, by the way you two, he said,
I go, oh, I need segments, and he goes, no,
people just want to hang out with you, and I go,
are you sure?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
But he's right.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
People want to hang out do you on Instagram, they
want to hang out with you on talk.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
They just want to hang out with you.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
And yeah, some people enjoy poaching you, and some people
enjoy celebrating you and everything in between.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
And that's life and it's all okay.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
But if you worry about chasing the likes and the
follows and the things, then.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
You lost, I know.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
And it's just hard. It's also hard in my job
because I'll see myself losing jobs to people because they
have these things, you know what I mean, they're what
kind of things like, oh my god, I would love
to be on this red carpet, but I can't because
I don't have a million followers or whatever. Like that
is a real They used to do that with actors
(43:40):
the right right, No, even more so now the amount
of times that Becca on Ladygang, my co host, has
lost out on a job to someone who has a big,
bigger following than her, or maybe a famous last name
or something like that, and the casting director will literally
call and be like, we loved her for this, but
(44:01):
they want the they want the cloud.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
See that is just it's so brutal sot now. I mean,
it's hard enough to put yourself out there an audition
and be naked in front of people like that emotionally
and all of that, and be so talented and now
there's another layer, there's another layer, and you're.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Like crazy, like it's it's been.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
It's a challenge for me when I see people in
the red carpet because I'm like, this is what I do,
this is what I'm gonna have a three Emmys for this.
And I was like and I can't do it. And
you got this the TikToker too like that, and I
want I'm happy for everyone, and I'm like, oh, great, girl,
go live your dream like I'm happy for you. And
that's amazing. And I can can't partmentalize those two things.
(44:44):
But it burns.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Of course it burns.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
It's like, you know, I was a scripted actress and
then we would we were watching all these people start
to do reality and.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
It was like, oh, don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
And I think I keep saying this, I think this
is true. I think I was the first actress that
was on that became a housewife. Kyle Richards right is
an actress, but she she wasn't she is now right,
she's acting again now she was when she was a kid,
she was a child actor. But when she joined the show,
she was not currently in the business.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I guess is what I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
I'm not trying to take check her IMDb page.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I will check her I AMDB. No, she's so talented.
I'm not trying to take it anyway. But the reason
why I bring it up is I was, I mean,
in your career and not only that, ridiculed. You're not
an actress Angelina Joe Lee Is. I mean, I've taken
so much shit my IMDb everything throughout the years. But
other people on reality shows, other influencers can be given.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
Uh guest starring roll out and you're like, oh, just
because you have a following.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
All right, wait, we're going to do a quick lightning
round of them. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I could talk to you for so I know already.
What's your go to karaoke song?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Faith, George Michael.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I've never sung karaoke, and we need to go. Most
embarrassing DM ever sent or received.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
I dmd Ariana Grande after she broke up with Pete
Davidson and gave her some love advice.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Did you respond?
Speaker 3 (46:07):
She hearted it?
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Do you think it's her?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
It's definitely a bot?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Okay, celebrity you'd love to swap lives with for one day?
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Heather up?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Okay besides me?
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Oh like one of like a Leo girlfriend in Saint Tirpe.
Oh like on the yacht.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
What's your guilty pleasure? Reality show? Oh?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Oh, I love uh the valley? What a guilty pleasure?
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Now? Yes? One word to describe your current vibe.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
Depress, the and stress.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm telling you there's something in the air because everyone
I'm wrong. I thought it was just me and I'm
weirdly sober right now. Yeah, and so I'm really feeling
all of the feelings and I do not like it.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I mean, I don't want to have any more feelings. No,
I mean either, like, just can I can I beta
block my whole life?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yes? Let me give you some pro panel well please
please sure have some somewhere. I love you. I could
talk to you first. Will you come back because we
didn't even we were going to play a game.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
We had a game, we had a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Get to the game.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I know. Love you.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I love this show.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Thanks for having me on, Thanks for being me.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
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