May 1, 2025 • 53 mins
Heather Dubrow finally meets Not Skinny But Not Fat's AMANDA HIRSCH as they discuss GLP-1s, joining hate trains, why the body positive movement was fake, AND MUCH MORE!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's talk with Heather dubro starts. Now you've double chapter
means you've listened to her hot takes, and today you
get her unfilteredness right here. Amanda Hirsch, founder, creator, queen
of Not Skinny but Not That, is in the house
and we're going to dive into some Bravo chaos, building
up empires and probably hopefully maybe starting a few rumors
(00:24):
along the way. So here we go. Please welcome Amanda Hirsh.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Bro, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm already influenced. I'm pulled of the lamaire. I'm buying
it like it takes nothing to influence me. Like that's
what people don't get, right. They hate uninfluencers a lot.
It's like, ugh, you make me buy stuff. It's like, no,
we're influenced too, all the time.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
All the time. My kids were just ragging on me
last night because they're like, oh my god, your Instagram
algorithm is just selling you everything, and.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm like, yes, and I'm buying.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm buying it all, all of.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It, buy it all. I'm buying it all.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Take me back to the beginning. Of not skinny, but
not that, but what's so fun? Why just want to
start with saying it's like the name is so iconic,
it's so it's so good, and I just feel like, wait,
how many years ago did you start?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I started in twenty sixteen, and this is when people
had those kinds of names. So like, think about the
meme accounts that you followed back then, you know what
I mean, Like people had those silly names, so it
wasn't today. I'm kind of like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
God, I think it's even better today. But I understand
what you're saying is that we've gone through periods of
time where you know, oh, it's body shaming or it's this,
or it's that, but it's it's great and it's just real.
I recently started following some influencers by accent, well not
by accident, because they showed them to me. And there's
this one girl I can't remember her name, but she's
(01:56):
just all about being skinny. She's so unapologetic about it.
She's like, look, I am skinny and lean because I
eat less than you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You find it refreshing, You like like it, you find
it refreshing. Yeah, because you know what Heather, let me
tell you something about what I think about that. I
think that the whole body positive movement, which I loved
and stand, was fake because everybody wants to be skinny.
And two seconds after people leaned into the body positivity movement,
(02:26):
it was everywhere and inclusivity and fashion shows and all
this great stuff because at the end of the day,
there should be different types of bodies represented. And I
love that and I've always had like I've the reason
why I even name myself that was I liked it.
It was catchy, it could mean a bunch of stuff,
but I also was that girl and the group of
friends then never felt like skinny. Right, there's like skinny.
(02:51):
So you could argue everything's relative. Other people could say
somebody is, somebody isn't. But to me, my whole life,
I had friends that were like this and I I
always had curves and I you know, so that's that.
But yeah, this body positive movement, it's so sad to
me that it ended up being kind of fake, you know,
because a minute after everything was more inclusive, ozempic started raging.
(03:16):
And again I'm not hating on ozempic. I everyone who
wants to do it do it, that's fine, but I
just think, like.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Why were we lying and why.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Are people still afraid to say stuff like people are
afraid to say they're on a diet or that they're
trying to lose weight or that they're so I kind
of like, and I actually love the Kardashians because they
are the kind of only ones that keep talking, Like
they'll on their show, they'll keep saying like, oh, you
look skinny, or you know, what do you do? So
(03:49):
I'm not saying they are always honest about everything that
they do. My point is people are scared to say,
you know, I had a baby ten months ago, And
it's like I was brave for saying, like I want
to lose the baby weight, because now you're supposed to
just be thankful that you made a baby and fucking
be happy that you have a gazillion pounds left on
you and you're not supposed to say you want to
(04:11):
go back to your pre baby body because your beautiful
body made this baby.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So it's such a culster too. Do you remember the
few years I don't remember how many years this was.
This was after my time having kids, but I remember
after I had my last week it became a thing,
like God forbid, you gained an ounce over what the
baby weight coming out, there was something wrong with you.
I mean like I feel like I was body shamed
for when I was pregnant my first two were twins.
(04:37):
I lied about how much I gained because I was embarrassed.
But I think I don't even remember how much it
was at this boy, because it's like my SAT score.
I lied so many Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
My godness too Herber, I lied about my SAT score
so much that I wish I knew what it was.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That is.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I can't believe that's like a thing because I lied
so much that you don't know the truth anymore. Like
I need to find it written down somewhere, because I'd
just be like eighteen seventy four six, like just make
it up, make it all up.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I would ask my mother, but she lied too,
so she wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But anyway, the knots game enough fat, shouldn't. I mean,
it's a it's just a name, and some people, a
lot of people relate to it because a lot of
people feel like they're somewhere in the middle, you know, wait,
and in life.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know, neither here nor there is our take home
exactly and we're exactly where we're supposed to be. I
like the body positivity thing, but I think it's got
to be You've just got to be happy with where
you are. I mean, I'll tell you. For me, going
through menopause is the suckiest thing ever, because you know
your body changes when you're you know, going through puberty,
(05:49):
and then when you have your kids, and you know
it's like a year up, a year down. Your body
takes so long to read normal.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't imagine because after having Lenny myself baby, like,
my body took so much longer to get back to
its rhythm and I'm just now starting like now, I
just got my period after ten months. So it just
shows you that it is all these hormones, right. So
it's like, I'm like, I think the reason I'm not
(06:17):
losing weight, I didn't get my period. Like everything is
kind of working together. And that did make me think
of menopause. My mom when she went through it, she
was not happy. She still is and she's still like,
there's the hormones and I get it, like you get it.
Think about getting your period and how it changes and
wax you out. Think about being pregnant. How it wax
(06:38):
you out.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, it's the same thing. We get fucked all over again.
And I take everything, like any hormone, any anything they
want to give me. I'm like, yes, yes, I will
take that. But the weight is real, and I honestly
keep my weight atle People are always like, oh, she's
sound scary, and it's like, I keep my weight a
little bit lower now because this menopause thing changes the
(07:02):
shape of your body. And I'm sure you saw this
after having your kids too, Like my body changed shape
after having my kids. I was more voluptuous before, like
a small waist and rounded hips, and then after having
my four kids, my body became straighter, my waist became wider,
kind of no boobs now, no more athletics, super weird.
(07:23):
But then you go through menopause and it's like you
start getting thick in the middle and that is the
weirdest thing, and like you start to look like your
grandma or something or mine. I was like, this can't happen,
so I'd rather stay a little lighter and not have that.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, whatever works for you. So do you recommend
any of the stuff that you take?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I personally like I work out every day. My body's
very responsive too, you know, a clean diet, working out
every day. I do take met Foreman, which is an
anti aging it's a diabetic drug, but it's an anti aging,
anti cancer drug.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh, it's like longevity too. I heard, right, I know that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think I had on my podcast Whitney Cummings, and
she said she takes it because she follows this like
longevity doctor and he recommends it. So just you know,
it should be helping with that too.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, it helps with all of it. Now, I will
tell you my husband is super into the GLP once.
He loves them, He takes them, he loves Maunjoro. He
thinks it's so good cognitively, you know, for your brain,
it's great. You know. He just thinks it's a miracle.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Really, I need to tell my mom had was just
complaining to me before we started the pod because she
was like, my energy is up. You know, she's just
complaining all the time. And I was like, Mom, I
don't know, like you know, when you feel bad, like
I don't know how to help you, you know, And
and she even mentioned she was like I need to
find someone like she wants like micro dos.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Maybe the one is that what your husband recommend.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No, he likes the full whole kid in kaboodle Man.
He's in. It's so funny, he this is so my husband.
So he was a board certified general surgeon and a
board certified plastic surgeon, and obviously that's what he's been
doing for many, many years. But he became so obsessed
with the GLP ones and the obesity stuff that he
(09:23):
studied and passed the obesity medicine boards and now he's
a board certified obesity medicine dog because he was just
fascinated by the specialty and by the drugs.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
And it's like supposed to be helping so much other
stuff too.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I hear it's one hundred percent. And honestly, if I
felt like I couldn't control my weight, even if it
was five pounds, I would do it too. I hate
that people are being shamed for it, and you know
what I also hate, I hate that people get asked
about it. I got to talk to Andy Cohen about
this because he always asks people he can.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Get away with though that nobody else can, you know
what I mean? Like he can he can ask.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That stuff like he can ask whatever you have done
he asks people who did he ask.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
At some reunion, and like she just kept lying.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean, he does this a lot, but she was
just like, no, just my lips, and he's like, and
your teeth, oh, and my teeth and you didn't get
any oh. And it's just so it's it's it's cringe
when they when they have to answer. But at the
same time, I understand what you're saying shouldn't be asked.
But I think sometimes when I don't like it, it's like,
you'll there are famous people that are known that have
(10:38):
talked about their weight struggles, that have been, you know,
very open about not being skinny or not being you know,
and so when those people all of a sudden overnight
are are skinny, it's not like they owe the world answers.
But it's more like, Okay, if Oprah didn't tell us
that she did this, like we know how.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Much, Oh, Oprah strug with weight, you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Know what I mean, she couldn't be like overnight, I
just started eating like she needed outside help.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's not cheating.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think if the shame goes away, people will be
more open and then it'll be better. I've seen it
help people that really have that like food in their
brain thing and that they need to quiet it down.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know, I just say live and let live use
what works for you. I don't care if you want
to not tell people what you've had done. Just don't
say you just get sleep and drink water because that
irritates me.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, And I think, like you said, following that girl,
like I just started working with the nutritionist because, like
I said, my body was like not responding to anything
post second baby. I was like, oh my god, all
my normal tricks aren't working, Like what the fuck? So
I started working with somebody, and I'm following her. Like
I told her, I was like, I'm a soldier, like
I have woolpower. You tell me what to do, I
(11:57):
will do it to the like I'll have a birthday
and I won't eat the cake, Like, just tell me
what to do, you know. So I'm following that, and
like I I'm sharing a little bit about it because
it's like, yes, my breakfast is a fucking green smoothie.
Like you know, I'm trying hard here.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, I think it's great, and I think it's great
to do it healthy and all that, but I got
to be honest, Like, I'm a little old school when
it comes to that. I believe in calorie and to
visit and resetting your body. So what I always did
after my kids is the cabbage soup diet. Do you
know what that is?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I remember hearing of it, but it's just sounds so gross.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's so gross. But you want to know something, It
totally fucking works. And so it's so stupid. So you
make this cabbage soup and I would change a little
bit because it's a tomato base and I don't like
tomato soup, so I would make it more like a
clear broth with all the veggies in it. And I
would make this huge part of it and keep it
in the refrigerator and I would reheat it and add
(12:57):
Niso soup like powdered Viso soup to it. And I
love it. And then it's so dumb, like one day
you can only have like four bananas or something, and
one day you just eat meat. But it totally works.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh my god, that is old school.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I want to go back to how you because twenty
sixteen was really like you were really on the cutting edge,
were you were one of the Like I was going
to say forefathers, but founding mothers. I don't know what
the mother version is, but really one of the ogs
of this kind of influencing and branding and all of this,
Like how did you what were you doing? Right before this?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I had just spent like five years in Israel with
my husband was Israeli, and the whole time while I
was there, I was like working dumb jobs and being
like only if I was like back in New York,
I'd be like Carrie Bradshaw right now.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I had these like big dreams that were like Delulu always.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And then we finally moved back to New York and
I didn't get cold jobs at all, and I applied
to all.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Of them and none of them. All of them were
like where did you work before? It's no, thank you?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So I got a shitty like recruiting job, which I
who wants to do recruiting? So it was really kind
of like depressed, Like I spent you know, all these
years in Israel. I thought I'd come back to New
York and I'd start.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Doing big shit. Wasn't doing big shit.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And at that time, it was a lot of like
meme accounts on Instagram. We're kind of all the rage
and those would make me kind of really laugh and
I always loved writing, so it started from that, meaning
like I could write these dumb memes and be you know,
that are funny and kind of people share them with
their friends and.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And it was kind of therapeutic for me. So that's
how I started. And it was.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Completely like a noon, Like I wasn't like, hi, I'm Amanda.
It was like just I would post these memes. And
then I started posting recaps of shows. I was watching
a lot of Bravo at the time, and I would
do like pop culture stuff, like celebrity stuff. I'd be like,
I just share, like instead of sharing it with like
my sister and be like, oh my god, did you
(15:08):
see blah blah blah, I would just be like, oh,
maybe they.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Care about this.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
You're sharing it with the world.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm sharing it with the world, and that at that time,
really it was kind of a new thing. It was
weird to watch somebody watch TV, like nobody was really
doing recabs, but people were kind of into that. And
the podcast I started in twenty nineteen, which I love,
by the way, that I started the podcast in twenty nineteen,
and I love that podcasts have become such a legit
(15:35):
medium that podcasts are coming out now, you know what
I mean, Like people are coming out with podcasts today tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Like well, judge, think it's because like to meet in
the podcast world, like I started ten years ago, oh wow, yeah,
and so there weren't a ton of female podcasters at
the time. There was a few of us. And what
I've seen is, you know, it started getting more popular
and then was becoming a thing, and then there was
(16:03):
a glut. It was like everyone and their mother had
to have a podcast, and I feel like the space
got really tricky and overloaded for a while. But now
what I see is that I think people that are
you know, the authenticity that sells, you know, people that
really have the right community have stuck around. And what
(16:24):
I like is I'm seeing new podcasts that makes sense,
not because.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, a lot of and I like it because it's
kind of like it just gives more legitimacy to the medium,
you know what I mean. And like and again, whoever,
at the end of the day, a podcasts won't do
well just because you have somebody's name on it that
is a little bit famous or whatever. Like at the
end of the day, you have to, like, like I've
(16:51):
met people before that have just started a pot and
they're like it's so hard, or like I'm like, are
you okay?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
If you think this is hard and you need to
talk into a microphone for an hour a week, then
you're not in the right biz and you're not going
to keep going, you know what I mean. For me,
it's like my whole life. So when I started in
twenty nineteen, it was like I would talk about pop
culture or whatever. Then I started having other podcasters, then
reality stars, and then it kind of became also like
(17:22):
actors of shows I was talking about. And now it's
really cool because it's kind of like become part of
like a press train for promo tours, and it's it's
really cool because I also, you know, a lot of
people don't know how the behind the scenes work, Like
you decided at the end of the day, who you
want in your podcast, you know what I mean, Like
I don't like so it's like if I'm into the show,
(17:45):
into the movie, into the actor and this I get
to talk to them.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It gives me.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Really, I just love it so much, so super grateful
to be here today.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, it's hard to build a brand around yourself though,
I mean to your point earlier. You know you were
saying about you know, just sending things to your family.
There's you know, if they don't like it, it's so funny,
it doesn't work. You have no harm to have foul
whatever move. But when you're doing a brand around yourself,
it's tricky.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right, which I used to take a lot more risks
to be honest, because as you have less followers.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Who are like I can say anything. You know, it's
really fun.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I recommend it because when no one's following you, you
can say whatever. And then it was hard to kind
of keep and I and I it's important to me, right,
So I still will say the things that I want
to say. I have to be a little bit smarter
about it. I have to make a decision do you
want to fuck yourself with this person or with this thing?
(18:42):
Are you willing to take the risk or are you
not right? So I can say, like Sydney Sweeney annoys
me and a lot of people, will you know not
like that I said that? And I also have to
know that like if her pr follows me or if
she sees my shit on a ghost, she's never coming
on the pod. But I have to like be okay
with some of that, you know, because I'm not going
to be loving everyone. That's just not who I started as.
(19:06):
So I don't want to like, you know, but yeah,
you get shit like I got shipped for everyone's hating
on Blake Lively. I didn't join that hate train. So
everyone's like, you're a second there, dick, because I had
Ryan Reynolds on.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
The pod like right before it blew up, so.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Everyone's like, you're not you're and I'm like, first of all,
first of all, first of all, I always want to
flip the question, like if you just had Ryan Reynolds
on your pod, would you fucking hate on his wife
the next day?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No? Right?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
But aside from that, in this situation, I hate joining
hate trains.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That is one thing you won't find me doing. I can.
I love hating on someone that no one else hates.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
That gives me joy If I'm like, this person is
annoying you guys don't see it. But to join this
like crazy, bring somebody down, take them down, kill their spirit,
want to want them to die, which is what they
did to like like Lively and for her like those
kind of people, You'll never see me joining that train,
(20:12):
regardless on regardless if they were on my podcast or
if there is a relationship I want to maintain, not
burn bridges.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
All that shit.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Isn't crazy, though. I mean, our culture just in general,
is to lift someone up and make them this fabulous
thing and then fucking tear them down. Taylor Swift, she's
so fucking talented, she's so amazing, she owns the world.
She seems like a good person. I don't know her,
but now everyone wants to hate her.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They're hating on Taylor.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The people were hating on Taylor with the football games
and the things and oh it's you and all the
things whatever, or like Anne Hathaway Golden Girl, and then
all of a sudden, do you hate her?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're good? You're good? How what what made you think that?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Your face?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I didn't know anything, but I mean, listen, she is
a little cringe Anne Hathaway, Like have you seen the
Kalma video? Yeah, okay, when she was like telling Italian
paparazzi to Kalama. You saw that? No, okay, I'm gonna
send it to you. It's literally insane.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh like in Italian.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Oh yeah, there was a grazziamo. There was like the
whole thing it was. It was she is over the top,
Like that just might be her. She's very over the top.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't hate, I don't hate.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's just like there are cooler people in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
How about so see, Okay, I'm gonna put myself out
there because I think she's very talent.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Sophia Carzin, that is such a random Why do you
care about her?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Do you know? Like do you remember when Celine Dion
when she was first like becoming huge, she was like
pound at her chest and do all these things. It
was so insane. But her voice is like an angel,
so you forgive her. Yeah, Like Sophia Carson does that.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
When is she pounding on her chest? Is she a singer?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah? She sings. So the way I became the way
I became aware of her was she was in that
movie with that cute guy and he was in the
military and they got together. She was a singer and
she was diabetic and she needed money for the medicine
and they get married and it's a sham, but they
fall in love and whatever. It's a cute movie. It's
a little rom com. But anyways, she sings in the movie,
(22:32):
and she's she's good. But I didn't really she was
like a singer singer. Now every time I see her,
she's got like this gown on and she's whispering this breath,
even the hair is snicked. It's all that. I can't
into her.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I saw her in the movie you know that movie
that it did really well well on Netflix. But it's
kind of shitty with Jason Baimo. It's called like carry
On or something.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, and I love Jason, but I can't watch in
a movie now.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So she was in the movie, and then I had
started hearing about her.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm with you in that.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I saw her just in this movie. Granted I didn't
think she was a good actress, and then I saw
that she was in a lot of other stuff, and
I was like, really, I thought that she was just
in this Netflix movie.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
She's not that good.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I thought she was just a net wrong coome because
she could sing. Hating here, he's so judgmental. I wish
her well, well, I wish you're well. I don't like
to jump on a hate train either, and I feel
bad for the blame.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Do you have a random hate it's just a dislike. Yeah,
random dislike is better than a hate train, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah. I usually I'm usually a likeer. I find the
whole lively thing very.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Upsetting at the end of the day, like she's on
red carpets now and doing her promos and whatever. But
I'm sure that family took a baiting.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But I mean, I think all the families did, and
I think, what sucks, and I have it not taking
a dive into it now and whatever. But I think,
you know, sometimes situations happen and you get in over
your head, man, and you don't even realize it, and
you go, shit, if I could just go back and done, yeah,
(24:15):
redo this, this could have been maybe handled different, right.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You kind of snowball into a situation. Maybe you didn't
want to be in.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What was the first guest you had, You were like,
holy shit, like I I am doing something here.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Kim Kardashian was like a very big one. I couldn't
believe when I got the pitch, like it came to me,
which people you know, always want to know, like how
it happened and listen. If I thought she would ever
say yes, I would have fucking asked, but but I
didn't at that point. So Kim Kardashian was was was
(25:00):
a such a such a fucking gray one. And then
after I did Kim, Chloe came on. Then after I did, Chloe,
Courtney came on. Because like in their family, I feel
like once one of them has a good experience, they
kind of share the wealth, which is so nice. So
those were those were big. But I have to say, like,
even before that, I was so excited about I remember
(25:24):
I had, you know, Aaron and Sarah Foster. Now they're
they're doing amazing and I'm a I have to say,
like I'm a day one fan of them. Like I
loved following them when they had just barely famous, and
I just thought they were so fun. And so I
remember Aaron Foster was one of the first like to
me celebrities that like followed me, and I was so
(25:44):
excited and I asked her on the pod and at
that point I was recording in my one bedroom apartment
and she had come to New York and she agreed
to come in the pod, and I like came down
Sarah's to get her and she give in my apartment
I was so dumb that I put out like nas
even though like who eats during.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
A pod But I was like so excited about like.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Splicing water and like that's so cute.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I know, it was really cute.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So like I was so excited about about just getting
guests that I thought were cool and that I looked
up to. And but but I would say, like Kim
Kardashian is like the like a mega celeb kind of
you know. I flew out to Calabasas, did the whole thing.
But it was really exciting to me, like the beginning
(26:28):
of it, you know, getting people, and still to this day,
by the way, I'll like DM create relationships with people,
ask them if they want to come on and do
things that way.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Who have you been really surprised by, because you know,
other podcasters and myself we always laugh about some people
who you think are going to come on, they're going
to be so great, and they're like dollsville who and
some people the opposite.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
The first of all, I'm really understanding. So like I
recently had somebody I'm gonna say who, I'm not gonna
be a bitch, But no, no, no, because I like her.
I really think she was tired. It's like these people
have such long press tours, you know how it is
like they do it from like seven am ten pm.
Then they go back to fucking wherever to shoot the
(27:17):
million things they're on. But yeah, some guests, the banter
can't be amazing every single time. But I think whenever
I walk away with it and I don't feel like amazing,
I'm always like I know that I did my best,
you know, like my foot forward is always there, right
unless I'm like fucking sick or I don't know, but
(27:39):
I'll and even if I'm sick, I'll.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Like, you can put it on for an hour, I'll.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Put it on.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
But you know, a lot of comedians that come on,
I'm like, I can't wait to laugh, and then I
don't laugh, and I'm like, why didn't they tell jokes? All? Yeah,
But now I've learned that about comedians that they don't
come on and tell jokes, like they just want to
be normal and have a conversation, you know. Yes, I
remember when Amy Schumer came on and I was such
(28:06):
a huge fan of her, Like she was one of
my like bucket list podcasts where like if she looked
back at our messages it would have been like fun day,
like literally pathetic begging. And she came on and again
I was like, we're gonna, you know, just but I'm
(28:27):
through this hour, you know, And I remember for the
first second I go to her, your voice is so
much different than I thought it was. And she was like,
do you want me to be on? Like, I'm just
not like you want me to. She was kind of like,
this is who I am. You want me to be on.
I was like, no, no, be yourself sort of beyond, you know.
(28:48):
But it ended up being such a great conversation because
we talked about like being moms and her pregnancy, and
it was deep and it was relatable and it was great.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It was just not what I had thought.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Side of podcast, I mean, because you know, I always
try to think, you know, what can we talk about
that they don't always talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Right, right, and you sometimes you don't know sometimes you like,
I like to like plan my interviews and then if
I get to throw it out of the window, great,
you know, if I don't, then I then I don't.
Just speaking in housewives terms, one of the craziest ones
I had this year with Housewives was Luan. That was
(29:28):
let me tell you, I tell you No. Me and
my the girl that works with me, Like we felt
like we were at the club and it was like
eleven am.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like she's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
She's hilarious, Like we were dying at eleven am. Uh,
you know if anybody needs a laugh, Like and you're like,
where should I start with my podcast? I don't know
what that was. I don't know, like the cards were
out the window. The question she was singing it was
(30:00):
eleven am, which I feel like wasn't the vibe she
was on and that's her what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
We finished? And That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Love about Bravo Reality Stars is that. And I always
say this to people because I've had the pleasure of
meeting so many and being friendly with a lot and
like whatever, I'm like, it's real, guys, you know, like
if anybody has any you know, apprehensions that it's not,
it's real.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
They care about the drama.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They're talking about it a year after you ye live it,
like and they are really the same, like nine out
of ten times that you see on TV. So she's
one of those that I'm like, whoa like I didn't
know what to I didn't know what to expect, and.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Are you going to be a Bravo con I'm not
really Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I'm not like you're like, cancel this podcast. I'm not
a Bravo girl like the way there I I I'm
not as like other people. You know, people are everywhere
and I don't feel that I am.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What are your shows? It doesn't have to be Brava,
but like, what are your reality shows?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
What's on right now that I'm watching is Summer House.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I've never seen a Summer House.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh it's fun.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah here, I just you know, it's crazy. I don't
watch a lot of TV. I don't have time to
watch a lot of TV. And I try to watch
a little bit of everything, Like I know the characters
on Summerhouse are and I'll read the clips and I'll
try to watch, you know, some little things. I try
to watch an episode of everything. But I haven't gotten
the Summerhouse.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yet, Summerhouse, Southern Charm. I like, oh, the Valley is back.
Did you ever watch Vanderpump so you know the Valley? Yes,
that's fucking litter.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
They delive. They deliver that. That's like the cheating and
the divorces.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I think because I'm on a reality show, it is triggering.
To watch other reality shows totally gives me anxiety, and
especially like the other Housewright franchises. I'm friends with a
lot of the girls, but I don't watch their shows
because I just want to be friends.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Like I just the other week, somebody asked me, like,
do you listen to blah blah blah podcasts?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And I was like no, And they're like, but you
have a podcast, how do you listen?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I was like, it's because I have a podcast that
I don't. Can't listen to podcasts all day.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know. So I totally feel you. I feel you
on that. It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Tell me about the kids. So you just had a baby,
what nine months ago?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Right, ten months ago?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
And a boy?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Another boy? So two boys, and Howl's your older boy.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He's five, gonna be so he's gonna be five, he's
ten months.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
They're like a four years apart.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
That's a great age difference.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Listen, this is what I say to people about age differences.
It doesn't matter because like everybody thinks their age difference
is great, you know, somebody will be.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Like minors seven years interested.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
People will be like mine are born went up to
the other and it really was great for us, and
they're like, so, I really.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Think it's about you.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You have to be pregnant, you have to give birth,
you have to take care of the kid.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Do it when it is right for you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So for me, the reason this age difference happened is
because if you would have asked me when Noah, my oldest,
was two, to have another baby, I would have said, no,
I'm already, and only when he was three and potty trained,
and I was like, this is I could do it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Then I got pregnant.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
So it's more I feel like it should be about you,
like what you can handle. And but it does feel
it does feel good. I just feel like Lenny needs
to grow up, because Noah's like really needs a buddy,
and he's kind of like speed it up, and Lenny's.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, but it's great.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Actually just went away together as a family, and I
was anxious because I hadn't traveled with Lenny too, like
just us, Like it just felt like we're going away,
you know, we weren't bringing our nanny or anything, and
I just felt like it was gonna be so much
harder than fun, you know, and it was not. It
was more fun than it was hard. And it made
(34:21):
me feel so good and I felt like I felt
even like guilty all of a sudden because I was like,
this is doing so much good for the kids, like
for the baby, Like I feel like, don't they always
kind of like grow up on vacations, on family vacations,
like I feel like they go through like positive changes
and I don't know, I just saw them like thriving
(34:44):
is the word, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Just so you know, Amanda, the next one you take
is going to be shit. I'm just telling you this
that I'm so glad, I'm so happy for you, and
I want you to stay in your euphoor state. But
here's the truth. I have four kids. Sometimes vacations suck, okay,
and there's no vacations their trips. Vacations are when you
(35:06):
get to relax. You can't relax.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
We know that is important that you told me that.
It really is because I could have been like Delulu, thinking,
so I had a good one and you might have
a bad one, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
And accept it. And this is just true. Like what
I try to tell people about motherhood in general is
that you got to just take the winds and move
past the losses. So you're gonna have holidays that are
magical and birthdays that are magical, and guess what, there's
gonna be birthdays and holidays that suck that are one
(35:39):
that you want to crawl into your bed and cry,
and you do sometimes and that's okay too, and you
let it go and you just have to know. That's
why when the good moments and the winds happen, and
the great trips and the great birthdays or the they
came home from school and they made a friend or
whatever it is, you gotta celebrate the winds.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Okay, No, that's important. That's really good advice. You should
make a real Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
My oldest you were twenty one. So it's like I've
got two twenty one year olds, an eighteen year old
and a fourteen year old. So I had three hundred
three and then added the fourth into the mix, you know,
so there was a seven year age spread between the old.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Ties were all planned.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So the twins were IVF planned, and then I did
IVF again to have the third because I wanted the
experience of just having one. I didn't know it would
happen so quickly. I didn't think about three under three,
but there you go. And then the fourth one was
just as surprise. Wow, I know, totally crazy and I
(36:43):
love it. And I never thought I'd have a big family.
I come from, you know, just me and my sister.
You know, a sort of typical Westchester, New York Jewish family.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
From where in Westchester?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Oh god, okay, love, I grew up in Riverdale, do
you know it?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yes? So I grew up in Riverdale.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
So west Chester was kind of our like hop and
the scope.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think I was born in Riverdale.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Really you think you don't know?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
No, I was. I was. I was born in the Bronx.
We lived in Riverdale and for like two years and
then we moved to Austining and then Chappaqua.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's so cool. Yeah, Riverdale. I love saying the Bronx.
People think I'm like hardcore.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It gives you straight credit on my IMDb. Born in
the Bronx, like j Lo.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
We're basically j Loo guys, we are.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So how are you finding like that? I know everyone
always asks about like the work balance and all that stuff,
which is such bullshit, But I'm curious because of what
you do. I feel like it's more conducive to do
it with kids.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, I feel like, how do you do? And I'm like,
I really feel good about it. Like at the end
of the day, I'm not saying I don't work hard,
because I fucking do. But I'm also not going to
an office nine to six, which is harder with kids
nine to six nine to set.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Whatever your hours are.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And I think having that flexibility of scheduling podcasts and
meetings around like times that you can take the kids
out of school or you know, take them to their
after school whatever it is, that it really works well.
It really works well. And I am trying to be
like less on my phone when I'm with them. I
really am making an effort. I'm leaving maybe you guys
(38:30):
can copy this, but I'm trying to leave my phone
in my bedroom in the morning, like when I wake
up with them, and then just grab it when they
go to school, you know what I mean. Like, Yeah,
that's been nice because it's kind of like, just don't
take it. Don't take it from your bedroom because if
I have that hour and a half, like with Noah
before he goes to school and I'm fucking on my phone.
(38:52):
I'm like, girl, you can be on your phone all
day when he leaves, you know what I mean. So
that's me when I don't know what made me think
of it. Maybe it was that show Adolescence on Netflix
or one of the fucking I.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Just started watching that.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, it's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I can have a hard time watching stuff like that
because it's so good, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Here's what I need to know. I need to understand
how difficult it is or not to like any of
the nuts and bolts of having kids in Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Listen after now taking our trip to Florida and we
were like rented a house there and it was so
nice to be in a house and I was like,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I get it. The weather and the weather.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I have to say, I don't complain about the cold
like other people because here's the thing, Heather, And if
you lived in New York, this would probably be your life.
You would take a car from your house to go
to the place. You would not be walking to the subway, right,
so probably, so it's not like you're like braving the
(40:02):
Cold's like you're going.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
From place to place, and you could like.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't experience it that bad. I think with kids
it's annoying because they want to be at the park
and they want to be outside. I have an elevator
in my building.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
But yeah, you can.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I really sense the difference now after being and like
we were there for like almost two weeks, and like
having a backyard and having just a house for everyone
to sort of be in a different place and not
just seeing everybody all the time.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
On that note, like we so our last home that
we sold was very large, and we went from twenty
two thousand square feet to immediately popping into a rental
that was I don't know, thirty five hundred like that,
and there's six of us. We moved into this house
and I loved it, Like I loved that there was
(40:56):
nowhere to hide that everyone was like and I think
weirdly the kids really liked it too. Everyone was close together.
We could I don't know, it was nice.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I could feel that.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I mean this house was probably twenty two thousand is
fucking huge.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Are you back in that? Are you in that house now?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Are you well? No, we sold that, We sold that house.
We moved into a bunch of different renduals and now
so we moved back to LA and we had bought
this house that I was going to take down to
the studs because I redo houses and stuff. But after
the fires and everything, and then we got sort of
screwed by this contractor. I just got over it. It's
this gorgeous piece of property. I just don't feel like
(41:36):
doing it anymore. So I'm selling it. And we're living
like where I am right now, Like this is the
ocean out here. So it's a high rise. Oh, it's
so sexy. It's like living in New York. There's like
ten people downstairs at all times. There's always someone to
help you. But it's in La. It's the best. I
never want to see a blade of grass again.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Stop you're in that phase right now? Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, I have two kids in college. The third one
is going off to Yale next year, so she's gone
to college, and then I have one going into high
school next year. So like the light at the end
of the tunnel is very shut, very right.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's fourteen is yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Wait, are you you're looking forward to like an empty
your house.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Or you're you are really yes? Yes, Oh, don't people
get like upset about it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You know, it's funny they say, they say the kids
shit in the nest when they're in high school. So
I guess a lot of kids act up before they
go to college to make you happy that they're leaving.
I really didn't have that experience. I'm really close with
my kids. We have a great relationship. We still travel together.
I visit them, they visit OZ like all the things,
and there's face time, which is so much better. But
(42:48):
I have to say, and you'll see this, I mean,
your kids are so young, it's so hard to even
wrap your brain around it. But I've enjoyed every stage
with them. And then it's like you've done your job.
Not that it's ever over, but you've done your job,
and now it's time to watch them soar and fly.
Like my two oldest both have internships this summer going
into their senior year of college that are so interesting
(43:11):
and different and really cool and write for them and
maybe this is their thing and it's exciting to watch
them grab onto it.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, yeah, that does sound cool.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
So I go fly and leave my home, yes, but
come back to visit, come.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Back to visit or let's meet in the South of France.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Cute love that.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
What's hot right now? In New York? Do you get
do you go out? Do you take date nights?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
So I don't. I mean, no, we do.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
We'll we'll go out to eat, We'll go out to eat.
But I'm not that. You know my friend, I just
went out with my friend last night and she told
me because she you know, when you have like too
many glass of wine with your friend and you get
so deep, like literally, my husband doesn't understand. I come
home and he asks me, like, you met up at
seven and you got home at eleven thirty, Like what
did you talk about four and a half hours?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
And you're like, finish our conversation, you like text each
other on the way home, Oh, we forgot to talk
about whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Like he doesn't get it. He's like, I'm thinking, I
think he's sure. I'm like talking about him the whole time,
and I'm like, we talked about you, Like I think
that's what he's worried about that I'm like planning the divorce.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I'm like, I did talk about you.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Like He's like, what did you why was it all?
What did you talk about? Like nothing, but but we
did get deep. So I remember she asked me like
she basically said that if she were in my position,
doing my kind of job, she would have like she
would have gone off the deep end, Like she would
have taken advantage, she would have gone to all the parties.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
She would have drank more.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
You know what I mean, she would have That's just
her personality where I'm like not just not like that,
like I'll I won't go to almost anything. I'm just
like I'm a loser. No, I I just I like
being home most of the time. So I really pick
and choose like what I go to, what I spend
my time on, like who I spend my time with.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
You know that's so good, that's so intentional. See, I
think at your age, I felt like I had to
take it while it was there. It's your Your attitude
about it is so healthy, so refreshing, and it's better.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Well for me taking what is there to me? Like
the the there to me is like my my work.
So like I'll do anything for like a podcast, gas
or something that has to do with what I do.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But like do I I don't.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Care about like Premier's brand opening store.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You know what I mean those things.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Are like I'm not going to go unless it's like
a friend somebody.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I like, you know, an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
It's just not why would I Why would I put
the effort into that to like have a getty picture?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Right, you know something you need a getty picture, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I was at an event a couple of weeks ago,
and I was I was myself and I was meeting
someone or whatever. There was a red carpet. I'll always
do the red carpet if it's like for a good cause,
good talking points, whatever, but I really just needed to
I pictured.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
But dress, that is true, and especially if you're getting dressed,
like there better be a pick or I'm leaving.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Do you always get glam done or do you do
your own?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I mean if I do, if I will make the
effort go to a premiere, do the thing, then one
hundred percent, I'm like getting the glam and doing the thing.
But I really don't like it. I don't know how
people do glam all the time, Like it's so boring.
I don't want to sit in a chair for three hours,
Like like imagine your event is at five and then
you have to leave it four. That means you have
(46:42):
to get glam at like one, so you're literally like
glued to your chair. Like I just want people to
know that that it's not fun because I feel like
people see influencers or vingos people like getting glam and
it's like, I don't get how people do it all
the time.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
It just you have to picture it like this. It's
like you know when you get married and it's important,
so you have to do all the things. It's like
that always. It's like the fact you have to take
in everything, shower.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Do you do glam for the show all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So it was really hard for me going from scripted
television to reality TV and realizing there's no glam team.
I was like, okay, and I'm good at doing my
own makeup, which I do a lot. I'll do my
makeup a lot, but at the time, I didn't really
know how to do lashes. And I remember my first
season on the show, Alexis Blino said to me, well,
(47:33):
it's really not hard just learning how to do your lashes.
Just buy him and I was like, okay, So I
bought a pair of lashes, I went home, I tried
it a couple of times, I'm like, all right, I
got this, and so I like, obviously if it's for
a big photo shoot or I was gonna say the reunion,
but I've done my makeup myself for a couple of
the reunions. Really yeah, I have it.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Just got hair. Yeah, hair is hard, Harris.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I think this isn't even my hair. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
It looks good.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
First of all, you look so good without makeup, Like
your look right now with the little sprits that is
in my car.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I love sprits. Is actually anything in the sprits I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
I am an all or nothing person. I either look
like this or I have a full face beat. I
don't understand people that can do a swipe of glosses
and the scare.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
That's not me at all.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I'm getting the miss guys, do you.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Are you someone who has a five year plan or
you fly by the seat of your pants. I mean,
obviously your instincts are so good in this space and
with your brand, you've done so well. But like now, what.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I'm always talking about the things you know, and you know,
I think people in this industry know, like when you
have like teams or you're working with agents and stuff
like that. A lot of times you get offered to
do a lot of things really quick, like podcast tours
and books.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
And this and that. And I know, and I am.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I think I'm too intentional because I think about things
for five years because I really want it to be,
Like I don't want to just do it because people
will buy tickets or because I have it.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
So why not do it?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
So I always think about things for way too long,
so I think about them. But my dream dream, like
my vision board dream that I'm saying you right now,
and it's I think everyone knows it's like hard to
say a dream because it's like feels embarrassing sometimes or like,
you know, too big. But I think, at the end
of the day, like what I'm doing on my podcast
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would be my dream for it to be on TV,
even though nowadays you hear about TV and the decline
of TV and the podcasts are actually doing better than
TV shows and all this fucking shit. But the end
of the day, there's something about just me always watching
like late night talk shows and when Chelsea Handler had
(49:57):
hers like that's just the vibe that I would want,
you know that I that is on my vision board.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
But I have to also say, like I would be so.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Content to keep just doing what I'm doing at the
rate that I'm doing it, because I'm just just makes
me really happy, you know.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
And it's a hard thing to put out there because
there's certain things you get one shot at. Sometimes you
can get more than one shot, but oftentimes you get one. However,
on the opposite side of that, and this would be
my advice, is that sometimes all of us spend so
much time making it so precious and trying to make
(50:36):
it so perfect that we don't end up doing it
and it doesn't have to be that perfect. Yeah, Like
take the tour for example. Touring is so big right now,
and you have such an engaged, beautiful community, you should
one hundred percent of touring.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, No, you're right, Heather, It is true. Sometimes I do.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I overthink things to the point of like even I
discussed with like this. I took a meeting with this
book agent and she said to me also about a book,
and I was.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Like, I don't know if I want to write a book.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
I'm not a little And she said to me, which
I know will be sad to hear for listeners, right,
because everything to you is so beautiful and it's like
breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
But she just said to.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Me, like a book for most of the people that
you love to come up with books that aren't authors, right,
that are celebrities, influencers, whatever, it's just another piece of
their brand, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
And that's how she put it.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
And it made a lot of sense to me for
two days and I forgot about it. But when she
said that, I was like, right, like, I look at
it like this like romantic you know thing, whereas it's
like a thing that you churn out.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
And it's hard for me.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Sometimes I call myself anti culture sometimes even though I'm
like I'm in the culture, but because I can be
so like kind of anti the things that you're like
supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
But I'm taking your advice.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, I think especially book. So Terry and I wrote
three books together, crazy, Like, did I ever think I'd
write a fucking book? No? We wrote three? Okay, so
well I write another one? Who does? But what is
interesting about it is it's part of your package and
it's a credential, you know what I'm saying, And it
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makes you it is I agree it's part of your brand.
But also, if you take out the achiness of what
that feels like, it's also a love letter to your community.
It's like, here's a little something that I'm going to
tell you that you can read on your own and
digest that that I haven't talked about on the podcast.
(52:40):
I want to share with you because you love me
so much. You want to buy this book.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, no, you're right. That's a good way to look
it out.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
So as your other mother, I say you need to
write a book and go on tour.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I'm taking it. I swear I'm taking it. I'll set
up the meetings, do it, doing it, and.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
The next time in New York, we have to go
and have a cocktail.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yes, please, You're so cool. I really enjoyed meeting you
a lot. I think you're so great and smart and fun. Yes,
and have fun on your trip. I won't say worry
even though she told me bye, continue, Thank you, my lofe.
Let's talk with Heather dubro starts. Now you've double chapter
means you've listened to her hot takes, and today you
get her unfilteredness right here. Amanda Hirsch, founder, creator, queen
of Not Skinny but Not That, is in the house
and we're going to dive into some Bravo chaos, building
up empires and probably hopefully maybe starting a few rumors
(00:24):
along the way. So here we go. Please welcome Amanda Hirsh.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thank you, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Bro, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm already influenced. I'm pulled of the lamaire. I'm buying
it like it takes nothing to influence me. Like that's
what people don't get, right. They hate uninfluencers a lot.
It's like, ugh, you make me buy stuff. It's like, no,
we're influenced too, all the time.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
All the time. My kids were just ragging on me
last night because they're like, oh my god, your Instagram
algorithm is just selling you everything, and.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm like, yes, and I'm buying.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I'm buying it all, all of.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It, buy it all. I'm buying it all.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Take me back to the beginning. Of not skinny, but
not that, but what's so fun? Why just want to
start with saying it's like the name is so iconic,
it's so it's so good, and I just feel like, wait,
how many years ago did you start?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I started in twenty sixteen, and this is when people
had those kinds of names. So like, think about the
meme accounts that you followed back then, you know what
I mean, Like people had those silly names, so it
wasn't today. I'm kind of like, oh my.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
God, I think it's even better today. But I understand
what you're saying is that we've gone through periods of
time where you know, oh, it's body shaming or it's this,
or it's that, but it's it's great and it's just real.
I recently started following some influencers by accent, well not
by accident, because they showed them to me. And there's
this one girl I can't remember her name, but she's
(01:56):
just all about being skinny. She's so unapologetic about it.
She's like, look, I am skinny and lean because I
eat less than you.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
You find it refreshing, You like like it, you find
it refreshing. Yeah, because you know what Heather, let me
tell you something about what I think about that. I
think that the whole body positive movement, which I loved
and stand, was fake because everybody wants to be skinny.
And two seconds after people leaned into the body positivity movement,
(02:26):
it was everywhere and inclusivity and fashion shows and all
this great stuff because at the end of the day,
there should be different types of bodies represented. And I
love that and I've always had like I've the reason
why I even name myself that was I liked it.
It was catchy, it could mean a bunch of stuff,
but I also was that girl and the group of
friends then never felt like skinny. Right, there's like skinny.
(02:51):
So you could argue everything's relative. Other people could say
somebody is, somebody isn't. But to me, my whole life,
I had friends that were like this and I I
always had curves and I you know, so that's that.
But yeah, this body positive movement, it's so sad to
me that it ended up being kind of fake, you know,
because a minute after everything was more inclusive, ozempic started raging.
(03:16):
And again I'm not hating on ozempic. I everyone who
wants to do it do it, that's fine, but I
just think, like.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Why were we lying and why.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Are people still afraid to say stuff like people are
afraid to say they're on a diet or that they're
trying to lose weight or that they're so I kind
of like, and I actually love the Kardashians because they
are the kind of only ones that keep talking, Like
they'll on their show, they'll keep saying like, oh, you
look skinny, or you know, what do you do? So
(03:49):
I'm not saying they are always honest about everything that
they do. My point is people are scared to say,
you know, I had a baby ten months ago, And
it's like I was brave for saying, like I want
to lose the baby weight, because now you're supposed to
just be thankful that you made a baby and fucking
be happy that you have a gazillion pounds left on
you and you're not supposed to say you want to
(04:11):
go back to your pre baby body because your beautiful
body made this baby.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So it's such a culster too. Do you remember the
few years I don't remember how many years this was.
This was after my time having kids, but I remember
after I had my last week it became a thing,
like God forbid, you gained an ounce over what the
baby weight coming out, there was something wrong with you.
I mean like I feel like I was body shamed
for when I was pregnant my first two were twins.
(04:37):
I lied about how much I gained because I was embarrassed.
But I think I don't even remember how much it
was at this boy, because it's like my SAT score.
I lied so many Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
My godness too Herber, I lied about my SAT score
so much that I wish I knew what it was.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That is.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I can't believe that's like a thing because I lied
so much that you don't know the truth anymore. Like
I need to find it written down somewhere, because I'd
just be like eighteen seventy four six, like just make
it up, make it all up.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And I would ask my mother, but she lied too,
so she wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But anyway, the knots game enough fat, shouldn't. I mean,
it's a it's just a name, and some people, a
lot of people relate to it because a lot of
people feel like they're somewhere in the middle, you know, wait,
and in life.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know, neither here nor there is our take home
exactly and we're exactly where we're supposed to be. I
like the body positivity thing, but I think it's got
to be You've just got to be happy with where
you are. I mean, I'll tell you. For me, going
through menopause is the suckiest thing ever, because you know
your body changes when you're you know, going through puberty,
(05:49):
and then when you have your kids, and you know
it's like a year up, a year down. Your body
takes so long to read normal.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I can't imagine because after having Lenny myself baby, like,
my body took so much longer to get back to
its rhythm and I'm just now starting like now, I
just got my period after ten months. So it just
shows you that it is all these hormones, right. So
it's like, I'm like, I think the reason I'm not
(06:17):
losing weight, I didn't get my period. Like everything is
kind of working together. And that did make me think
of menopause. My mom when she went through it, she
was not happy. She still is and she's still like,
there's the hormones and I get it, like you get it.
Think about getting your period and how it changes and
wax you out. Think about being pregnant. How it wax
(06:38):
you out.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, it's the same thing. We get fucked all over again.
And I take everything, like any hormone, any anything they
want to give me. I'm like, yes, yes, I will
take that. But the weight is real, and I honestly
keep my weight atle People are always like, oh, she's
sound scary, and it's like, I keep my weight a
little bit lower now because this menopause thing changes the
(07:02):
shape of your body. And I'm sure you saw this
after having your kids too, Like my body changed shape
after having my kids. I was more voluptuous before, like
a small waist and rounded hips, and then after having
my four kids, my body became straighter, my waist became wider,
kind of no boobs now, no more athletics, super weird.
(07:23):
But then you go through menopause and it's like you
start getting thick in the middle and that is the
weirdest thing, and like you start to look like your
grandma or something or mine. I was like, this can't happen,
so I'd rather stay a little lighter and not have that.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
I mean, whatever works for you. So do you recommend
any of the stuff that you take?
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I personally like I work out every day. My body's
very responsive too, you know, a clean diet, working out
every day. I do take met Foreman, which is an
anti aging it's a diabetic drug, but it's an anti aging,
anti cancer drug.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Oh, it's like longevity too. I heard, right, I know that.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think I had on my podcast Whitney Cummings, and
she said she takes it because she follows this like
longevity doctor and he recommends it. So just you know,
it should be helping with that too.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, it helps with all of it. Now, I will
tell you my husband is super into the GLP once.
He loves them, He takes them, he loves Maunjoro. He
thinks it's so good cognitively, you know, for your brain,
it's great. You know. He just thinks it's a miracle.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Really, I need to tell my mom had was just
complaining to me before we started the pod because she
was like, my energy is up. You know, she's just
complaining all the time. And I was like, Mom, I
don't know, like you know, when you feel bad, like
I don't know how to help you, you know, And
and she even mentioned she was like I need to
find someone like she wants like micro dos.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Maybe the one is that what your husband recommend.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
No, he likes the full whole kid in kaboodle Man.
He's in. It's so funny, he this is so my husband.
So he was a board certified general surgeon and a
board certified plastic surgeon, and obviously that's what he's been
doing for many, many years. But he became so obsessed
with the GLP ones and the obesity stuff that he
(09:23):
studied and passed the obesity medicine boards and now he's
a board certified obesity medicine dog because he was just
fascinated by the specialty and by the drugs.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
And it's like supposed to be helping so much other
stuff too.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I hear it's one hundred percent. And honestly, if I
felt like I couldn't control my weight, even if it
was five pounds, I would do it too. I hate
that people are being shamed for it, and you know
what I also hate, I hate that people get asked
about it. I got to talk to Andy Cohen about
this because he always asks people he can.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Get away with though that nobody else can, you know
what I mean? Like he can he can ask.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That stuff like he can ask whatever you have done
he asks people who did he ask.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
At some reunion, and like she just kept lying.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I mean, he does this a lot, but she was
just like, no, just my lips, and he's like, and
your teeth, oh, and my teeth and you didn't get
any oh. And it's just so it's it's it's cringe
when they when they have to answer. But at the
same time, I understand what you're saying shouldn't be asked.
But I think sometimes when I don't like it, it's like,
you'll there are famous people that are known that have
(10:38):
talked about their weight struggles, that have been, you know,
very open about not being skinny or not being you know,
and so when those people all of a sudden overnight
are are skinny, it's not like they owe the world answers.
But it's more like, Okay, if Oprah didn't tell us
that she did this, like we know how.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Much, Oh, Oprah strug with weight, you.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Know what I mean, she couldn't be like overnight, I
just started eating like she needed outside help.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It's not cheating.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think if the shame goes away, people will be
more open and then it'll be better. I've seen it
help people that really have that like food in their
brain thing and that they need to quiet it down.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
You know, I just say live and let live use
what works for you. I don't care if you want
to not tell people what you've had done. Just don't
say you just get sleep and drink water because that
irritates me.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yeah, And I think, like you said, following that girl,
like I just started working with the nutritionist because, like
I said, my body was like not responding to anything
post second baby. I was like, oh my god, all
my normal tricks aren't working, Like what the fuck? So
I started working with somebody, and I'm following her. Like
I told her, I was like, I'm a soldier, like
I have woolpower. You tell me what to do, I
(11:57):
will do it to the like I'll have a birthday
and I won't eat the cake, Like, just tell me
what to do, you know. So I'm following that, and
like I I'm sharing a little bit about it because
it's like, yes, my breakfast is a fucking green smoothie.
Like you know, I'm trying hard here.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Well, I think it's great, and I think it's great
to do it healthy and all that, but I got
to be honest, Like, I'm a little old school when
it comes to that. I believe in calorie and to
visit and resetting your body. So what I always did
after my kids is the cabbage soup diet. Do you
know what that is?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I remember hearing of it, but it's just sounds so gross.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's so gross. But you want to know something, It
totally fucking works. And so it's so stupid. So you
make this cabbage soup and I would change a little
bit because it's a tomato base and I don't like
tomato soup, so I would make it more like a
clear broth with all the veggies in it. And I
would make this huge part of it and keep it
in the refrigerator and I would reheat it and add
(12:57):
Niso soup like powdered Viso soup to it. And I
love it. And then it's so dumb, like one day
you can only have like four bananas or something, and
one day you just eat meat. But it totally works.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh my god, that is old school.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I want to go back to how you because twenty
sixteen was really like you were really on the cutting edge,
were you were one of the Like I was going
to say forefathers, but founding mothers. I don't know what
the mother version is, but really one of the ogs
of this kind of influencing and branding and all of this,
Like how did you what were you doing? Right before this?
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I had just spent like five years in Israel with
my husband was Israeli, and the whole time while I
was there, I was like working dumb jobs and being
like only if I was like back in New York,
I'd be like Carrie Bradshaw right now.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I had these like big dreams that were like Delulu always.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And then we finally moved back to New York and
I didn't get cold jobs at all, and I applied
to all.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Of them and none of them. All of them were
like where did you work before? It's no, thank you?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
So I got a shitty like recruiting job, which I
who wants to do recruiting? So it was really kind
of like depressed, Like I spent you know, all these
years in Israel. I thought I'd come back to New
York and I'd start.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Doing big shit. Wasn't doing big shit.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
And at that time, it was a lot of like
meme accounts on Instagram. We're kind of all the rage
and those would make me kind of really laugh and
I always loved writing, so it started from that, meaning
like I could write these dumb memes and be you know,
that are funny and kind of people share them with
their friends and.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And it was kind of therapeutic for me. So that's
how I started. And it was.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Completely like a noon, Like I wasn't like, hi, I'm Amanda.
It was like just I would post these memes. And
then I started posting recaps of shows. I was watching
a lot of Bravo at the time, and I would
do like pop culture stuff, like celebrity stuff. I'd be like,
I just share, like instead of sharing it with like
my sister and be like, oh my god, did you
(15:08):
see blah blah blah, I would just be like, oh,
maybe they.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Care about this.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
You're sharing it with the world.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm sharing it with the world, and that at that time,
really it was kind of a new thing. It was
weird to watch somebody watch TV, like nobody was really
doing recabs, but people were kind of into that. And
the podcast I started in twenty nineteen, which I love,
by the way, that I started the podcast in twenty nineteen,
and I love that podcasts have become such a legit
(15:35):
medium that podcasts are coming out now, you know what
I mean, Like people are coming out with podcasts today tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Like well, judge, think it's because like to meet in
the podcast world, like I started ten years ago, oh wow, yeah,
and so there weren't a ton of female podcasters at
the time. There was a few of us. And what
I've seen is, you know, it started getting more popular
and then was becoming a thing, and then there was
(16:03):
a glut. It was like everyone and their mother had
to have a podcast, and I feel like the space
got really tricky and overloaded for a while. But now
what I see is that I think people that are
you know, the authenticity that sells, you know, people that
really have the right community have stuck around. And what
(16:24):
I like is I'm seeing new podcasts that makes sense,
not because.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, a lot of and I like it because it's
kind of like it just gives more legitimacy to the medium,
you know what I mean. And like and again, whoever,
at the end of the day, a podcasts won't do
well just because you have somebody's name on it that
is a little bit famous or whatever. Like at the
end of the day, you have to, like, like I've
(16:51):
met people before that have just started a pot and
they're like it's so hard, or like I'm like, are
you okay?
Speaker 2 (16:59):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
If you think this is hard and you need to
talk into a microphone for an hour a week, then
you're not in the right biz and you're not going
to keep going, you know what I mean. For me,
it's like my whole life. So when I started in
twenty nineteen, it was like I would talk about pop
culture or whatever. Then I started having other podcasters, then
reality stars, and then it kind of became also like
(17:22):
actors of shows I was talking about. And now it's
really cool because it's kind of like become part of
like a press train for promo tours, and it's it's
really cool because I also, you know, a lot of
people don't know how the behind the scenes work, Like
you decided at the end of the day, who you
want in your podcast, you know what I mean, Like
I don't like so it's like if I'm into the show,
(17:45):
into the movie, into the actor and this I get
to talk to them.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
It gives me.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Really, I just love it so much, so super grateful
to be here today.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, it's hard to build a brand around yourself though,
I mean to your point earlier. You know you were
saying about you know, just sending things to your family.
There's you know, if they don't like it, it's so funny,
it doesn't work. You have no harm to have foul
whatever move. But when you're doing a brand around yourself,
it's tricky.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right, which I used to take a lot more risks
to be honest, because as you have less followers.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Who are like I can say anything. You know, it's
really fun.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I recommend it because when no one's following you, you
can say whatever. And then it was hard to kind
of keep and I and I it's important to me, right,
So I still will say the things that I want
to say. I have to be a little bit smarter
about it. I have to make a decision do you
want to fuck yourself with this person or with this thing?
(18:42):
Are you willing to take the risk or are you
not right? So I can say, like Sydney Sweeney annoys
me and a lot of people, will you know not
like that I said that? And I also have to
know that like if her pr follows me or if
she sees my shit on a ghost, she's never coming
on the pod. But I have to like be okay
with some of that, you know, because I'm not going
to be loving everyone. That's just not who I started as.
(19:06):
So I don't want to like, you know, but yeah,
you get shit like I got shipped for everyone's hating
on Blake Lively. I didn't join that hate train. So
everyone's like, you're a second there, dick, because I had
Ryan Reynolds on.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
The pod like right before it blew up, so.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Everyone's like, you're not you're and I'm like, first of all,
first of all, first of all, I always want to
flip the question, like if you just had Ryan Reynolds
on your pod, would you fucking hate on his wife
the next day?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
No? Right?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
But aside from that, in this situation, I hate joining
hate trains.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That is one thing you won't find me doing. I can.
I love hating on someone that no one else hates.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
That gives me joy If I'm like, this person is
annoying you guys don't see it. But to join this
like crazy, bring somebody down, take them down, kill their spirit,
want to want them to die, which is what they
did to like like Lively and for her like those
kind of people, You'll never see me joining that train,
(20:12):
regardless on regardless if they were on my podcast or
if there is a relationship I want to maintain, not
burn bridges.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
You know.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
All that shit.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Isn't crazy, though. I mean, our culture just in general,
is to lift someone up and make them this fabulous
thing and then fucking tear them down. Taylor Swift, she's
so fucking talented, she's so amazing, she owns the world.
She seems like a good person. I don't know her,
but now everyone wants to hate her.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They're hating on Taylor.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
The people were hating on Taylor with the football games
and the things and oh it's you and all the
things whatever, or like Anne Hathaway Golden Girl, and then
all of a sudden, do you hate her?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
You're good? You're good? How what what made you think that?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Your face?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I didn't know anything, but I mean, listen, she is
a little cringe Anne Hathaway, Like have you seen the
Kalma video? Yeah, okay, when she was like telling Italian
paparazzi to Kalama. You saw that? No, okay, I'm gonna
send it to you. It's literally insane.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh like in Italian.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Oh yeah, there was a grazziamo. There was like the
whole thing it was. It was she is over the top,
Like that just might be her. She's very over the top.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't hate, I don't hate.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
It's just like there are cooler people in the world.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
How about so see, Okay, I'm gonna put myself out
there because I think she's very talent.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Sophia Carzin, that is such a random Why do you
care about her?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Do you know? Like do you remember when Celine Dion
when she was first like becoming huge, she was like
pound at her chest and do all these things. It
was so insane. But her voice is like an angel,
so you forgive her. Yeah, Like Sophia Carson does that.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
When is she pounding on her chest? Is she a singer?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah? She sings. So the way I became the way
I became aware of her was she was in that
movie with that cute guy and he was in the
military and they got together. She was a singer and
she was diabetic and she needed money for the medicine
and they get married and it's a sham, but they
fall in love and whatever. It's a cute movie. It's
a little rom com. But anyways, she sings in the movie,
(22:32):
and she's she's good. But I didn't really she was
like a singer singer. Now every time I see her,
she's got like this gown on and she's whispering this breath,
even the hair is snicked. It's all that. I can't
into her.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I saw her in the movie you know that movie
that it did really well well on Netflix. But it's
kind of shitty with Jason Baimo. It's called like carry
On or something.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
No, and I love Jason, but I can't watch in
a movie now.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
So she was in the movie, and then I had
started hearing about her.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'm with you in that.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I saw her just in this movie. Granted I didn't
think she was a good actress, and then I saw
that she was in a lot of other stuff, and
I was like, really, I thought that she was just
in this Netflix movie.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
She's not that good.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
I thought she was just a net wrong coome because
she could sing. Hating here, he's so judgmental. I wish
her well, well, I wish you're well. I don't like
to jump on a hate train either, and I feel
bad for the blame.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Do you have a random hate it's just a dislike. Yeah,
random dislike is better than a hate train, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah. I usually I'm usually a likeer. I find the
whole lively thing very.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Upsetting at the end of the day, like she's on
red carpets now and doing her promos and whatever. But
I'm sure that family took a baiting.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
But I mean, I think all the families did, and
I think, what sucks, and I have it not taking
a dive into it now and whatever. But I think,
you know, sometimes situations happen and you get in over
your head, man, and you don't even realize it, and
you go, shit, if I could just go back and done, yeah,
(24:15):
redo this, this could have been maybe handled different, right.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
You kind of snowball into a situation. Maybe you didn't
want to be in.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
What was the first guest you had, You were like,
holy shit, like I I am doing something here.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Kim Kardashian was like a very big one. I couldn't
believe when I got the pitch, like it came to me,
which people you know, always want to know, like how
it happened and listen. If I thought she would ever
say yes, I would have fucking asked, but but I
didn't at that point. So Kim Kardashian was was was
(25:00):
a such a such a fucking gray one. And then
after I did Kim, Chloe came on. Then after I did, Chloe,
Courtney came on. Because like in their family, I feel
like once one of them has a good experience, they
kind of share the wealth, which is so nice. So
those were those were big. But I have to say, like,
even before that, I was so excited about I remember
(25:24):
I had, you know, Aaron and Sarah Foster. Now they're
they're doing amazing and I'm a I have to say,
like I'm a day one fan of them. Like I
loved following them when they had just barely famous, and
I just thought they were so fun. And so I
remember Aaron Foster was one of the first like to
me celebrities that like followed me, and I was so
(25:44):
excited and I asked her on the pod and at
that point I was recording in my one bedroom apartment
and she had come to New York and she agreed
to come in the pod, and I like came down
Sarah's to get her and she give in my apartment
I was so dumb that I put out like nas
even though like who eats during.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
A pod But I was like so excited about like.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Splicing water and like that's so cute.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I know, it was really cute.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So like I was so excited about about just getting
guests that I thought were cool and that I looked
up to. And but but I would say, like Kim
Kardashian is like the like a mega celeb kind of
you know. I flew out to Calabasas, did the whole thing.
But it was really exciting to me, like the beginning
(26:28):
of it, you know, getting people, and still to this day,
by the way, I'll like DM create relationships with people,
ask them if they want to come on and do
things that way.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Who have you been really surprised by, because you know,
other podcasters and myself we always laugh about some people
who you think are going to come on, they're going
to be so great, and they're like dollsville who and
some people the opposite.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
The first of all, I'm really understanding. So like I
recently had somebody I'm gonna say who, I'm not gonna
be a bitch, But no, no, no, because I like her.
I really think she was tired. It's like these people
have such long press tours, you know how it is
like they do it from like seven am ten pm.
Then they go back to fucking wherever to shoot the
(27:17):
million things they're on. But yeah, some guests, the banter
can't be amazing every single time. But I think whenever
I walk away with it and I don't feel like amazing,
I'm always like I know that I did my best,
you know, like my foot forward is always there, right
unless I'm like fucking sick or I don't know, but
(27:39):
I'll and even if I'm sick, I'll.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Like, you can put it on for an hour, I'll.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Put it on.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
But you know, a lot of comedians that come on,
I'm like, I can't wait to laugh, and then I
don't laugh, and I'm like, why didn't they tell jokes? All? Yeah,
But now I've learned that about comedians that they don't
come on and tell jokes, like they just want to
be normal and have a conversation, you know. Yes, I
remember when Amy Schumer came on and I was such
(28:06):
a huge fan of her, Like she was one of
my like bucket list podcasts where like if she looked
back at our messages it would have been like fun day,
like literally pathetic begging. And she came on and again
I was like, we're gonna, you know, just but I'm
(28:27):
through this hour, you know, And I remember for the
first second I go to her, your voice is so
much different than I thought it was. And she was like,
do you want me to be on? Like, I'm just
not like you want me to. She was kind of like,
this is who I am. You want me to be on.
I was like, no, no, be yourself sort of beyond, you know.
(28:48):
But it ended up being such a great conversation because
we talked about like being moms and her pregnancy, and
it was deep and it was relatable and it was great.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It was just not what I had thought.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Side of podcast, I mean, because you know, I always
try to think, you know, what can we talk about
that they don't always talk about.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Right, right, and you sometimes you don't know sometimes you like,
I like to like plan my interviews and then if
I get to throw it out of the window, great,
you know, if I don't, then I then I don't.
Just speaking in housewives terms, one of the craziest ones
I had this year with Housewives was Luan. That was
(29:28):
let me tell you, I tell you No. Me and
my the girl that works with me, Like we felt
like we were at the club and it was like
eleven am.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like she's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
She's hilarious, Like we were dying at eleven am. Uh,
you know if anybody needs a laugh, Like and you're like,
where should I start with my podcast? I don't know
what that was. I don't know, like the cards were
out the window. The question she was singing it was
(30:00):
eleven am, which I feel like wasn't the vibe she
was on and that's her what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
We finished? And That's what I do.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Love about Bravo Reality Stars is that. And I always
say this to people because I've had the pleasure of
meeting so many and being friendly with a lot and
like whatever, I'm like, it's real, guys, you know, like
if anybody has any you know, apprehensions that it's not,
it's real.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
They care about the drama.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They're talking about it a year after you ye live it,
like and they are really the same, like nine out
of ten times that you see on TV. So she's
one of those that I'm like, whoa like I didn't
know what to I didn't know what to expect, and.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Are you going to be a Bravo con I'm not
really Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I'm not like you're like, cancel this podcast. I'm not
a Bravo girl like the way there I I I'm
not as like other people. You know, people are everywhere
and I don't feel that I am.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
What are your shows? It doesn't have to be Brava,
but like, what are your reality shows?
Speaker 3 (31:16):
What's on right now that I'm watching is Summer House.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I've never seen a Summer House.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Oh it's fun.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah here, I just you know, it's crazy. I don't
watch a lot of TV. I don't have time to
watch a lot of TV. And I try to watch
a little bit of everything, Like I know the characters
on Summerhouse are and I'll read the clips and I'll
try to watch, you know, some little things. I try
to watch an episode of everything. But I haven't gotten
the Summerhouse.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yet, Summerhouse, Southern Charm. I like, oh, the Valley is back.
Did you ever watch Vanderpump so you know the Valley? Yes,
that's fucking litter.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
They delive. They deliver that. That's like the cheating and
the divorces.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I think because I'm on a reality show, it is triggering.
To watch other reality shows totally gives me anxiety, and
especially like the other Housewright franchises. I'm friends with a
lot of the girls, but I don't watch their shows
because I just want to be friends.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Like I just the other week, somebody asked me, like,
do you listen to blah blah blah podcasts?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
And I was like no, And they're like, but you
have a podcast, how do you listen?
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I was like, it's because I have a podcast that
I don't. Can't listen to podcasts all day.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know. So I totally feel you. I feel you
on that. It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Tell me about the kids. So you just had a baby,
what nine months ago?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Right, ten months ago?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
And a boy?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Another boy? So two boys, and Howl's your older boy.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
He's five, gonna be so he's gonna be five, he's
ten months.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
They're like a four years apart.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
That's a great age difference.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Listen, this is what I say to people about age differences.
It doesn't matter because like everybody thinks their age difference
is great, you know, somebody will be.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Like minors seven years interested.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
People will be like mine are born went up to
the other and it really was great for us, and
they're like, so, I really.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Think it's about you.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
You have to be pregnant, you have to give birth,
you have to take care of the kid.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Do it when it is right for you.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
So for me, the reason this age difference happened is
because if you would have asked me when Noah, my oldest,
was two, to have another baby, I would have said, no,
I'm already, and only when he was three and potty trained,
and I was like, this is I could do it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Then I got pregnant.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
So it's more I feel like it should be about you,
like what you can handle. And but it does feel
it does feel good. I just feel like Lenny needs
to grow up, because Noah's like really needs a buddy,
and he's kind of like speed it up, and Lenny's.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, but it's great.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Actually just went away together as a family, and I
was anxious because I hadn't traveled with Lenny too, like
just us, Like it just felt like we're going away,
you know, we weren't bringing our nanny or anything, and
I just felt like it was gonna be so much
harder than fun, you know, and it was not. It
was more fun than it was hard. And it made
(34:21):
me feel so good and I felt like I felt
even like guilty all of a sudden because I was like,
this is doing so much good for the kids, like
for the baby, Like I feel like, don't they always
kind of like grow up on vacations, on family vacations,
like I feel like they go through like positive changes
and I don't know, I just saw them like thriving
(34:44):
is the word, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Just so you know, Amanda, the next one you take
is going to be shit. I'm just telling you this
that I'm so glad, I'm so happy for you, and
I want you to stay in your euphoor state. But
here's the truth. I have four kids. Sometimes vacations suck, okay,
and there's no vacations their trips. Vacations are when you
(35:06):
get to relax. You can't relax.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
We know that is important that you told me that.
It really is because I could have been like Delulu, thinking,
so I had a good one and you might have
a bad one, okay.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
And accept it. And this is just true. Like what
I try to tell people about motherhood in general is
that you got to just take the winds and move
past the losses. So you're gonna have holidays that are
magical and birthdays that are magical, and guess what, there's
gonna be birthdays and holidays that suck that are one
(35:39):
that you want to crawl into your bed and cry,
and you do sometimes and that's okay too, and you
let it go and you just have to know. That's
why when the good moments and the winds happen, and
the great trips and the great birthdays or the they
came home from school and they made a friend or
whatever it is, you gotta celebrate the winds.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Okay, No, that's important. That's really good advice. You should
make a real Listen.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
My oldest you were twenty one. So it's like I've
got two twenty one year olds, an eighteen year old
and a fourteen year old. So I had three hundred
three and then added the fourth into the mix, you know,
so there was a seven year age spread between the old.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Ties were all planned.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So the twins were IVF planned, and then I did
IVF again to have the third because I wanted the
experience of just having one. I didn't know it would
happen so quickly. I didn't think about three under three,
but there you go. And then the fourth one was
just as surprise. Wow, I know, totally crazy and I
(36:43):
love it. And I never thought I'd have a big family.
I come from, you know, just me and my sister.
You know, a sort of typical Westchester, New York Jewish family.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
From where in Westchester?
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Oh god, okay, love, I grew up in Riverdale, do
you know it?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yes? So I grew up in Riverdale.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
So west Chester was kind of our like hop and
the scope.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think I was born in Riverdale.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Really you think you don't know?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
No, I was. I was. I was born in the Bronx.
We lived in Riverdale and for like two years and
then we moved to Austining and then Chappaqua.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
That's so cool. Yeah, Riverdale. I love saying the Bronx.
People think I'm like hardcore.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
It gives you straight credit on my IMDb. Born in
the Bronx, like j Lo.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
We're basically j Loo guys, we are.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
So how are you finding like that? I know everyone
always asks about like the work balance and all that stuff,
which is such bullshit, But I'm curious because of what
you do. I feel like it's more conducive to do
it with kids.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah, I feel like, how do you do? And I'm like,
I really feel good about it. Like at the end
of the day, I'm not saying I don't work hard,
because I fucking do. But I'm also not going to
an office nine to six, which is harder with kids
nine to six nine to set.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Whatever your hours are.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And I think having that flexibility of scheduling podcasts and
meetings around like times that you can take the kids
out of school or you know, take them to their
after school whatever it is, that it really works well.
It really works well. And I am trying to be
like less on my phone when I'm with them. I
really am making an effort. I'm leaving maybe you guys
(38:30):
can copy this, but I'm trying to leave my phone
in my bedroom in the morning, like when I wake
up with them, and then just grab it when they
go to school, you know what I mean. Like, Yeah,
that's been nice because it's kind of like, just don't
take it. Don't take it from your bedroom because if
I have that hour and a half, like with Noah
before he goes to school and I'm fucking on my phone.
(38:52):
I'm like, girl, you can be on your phone all
day when he leaves, you know what I mean. So
that's me when I don't know what made me think
of it. Maybe it was that show Adolescence on Netflix
or one of the fucking I.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Just started watching that.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, it's really Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I can have a hard time watching stuff like that
because it's so good, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
It's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Here's what I need to know. I need to understand
how difficult it is or not to like any of
the nuts and bolts of having kids in Manhattan.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Listen after now taking our trip to Florida and we
were like rented a house there and it was so
nice to be in a house and I was like,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I get it. The weather and the weather.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I have to say, I don't complain about the cold
like other people because here's the thing, Heather, And if
you lived in New York, this would probably be your life.
You would take a car from your house to go
to the place. You would not be walking to the subway, right,
so probably, so it's not like you're like braving the
(40:02):
Cold's like you're going.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
From place to place, and you could like.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I don't experience it that bad. I think with kids
it's annoying because they want to be at the park
and they want to be outside. I have an elevator
in my building.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
But yeah, you can.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
I really sense the difference now after being and like
we were there for like almost two weeks, and like
having a backyard and having just a house for everyone
to sort of be in a different place and not
just seeing everybody all the time.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
On that note, like we so our last home that
we sold was very large, and we went from twenty
two thousand square feet to immediately popping into a rental
that was I don't know, thirty five hundred like that,
and there's six of us. We moved into this house
and I loved it, Like I loved that there was
(40:56):
nowhere to hide that everyone was like and I think
weirdly the kids really liked it too. Everyone was close together.
We could I don't know, it was nice.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I could feel that.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
I mean this house was probably twenty two thousand is
fucking huge.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Are you back in that? Are you in that house now?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Are you well? No, we sold that, We sold that house.
We moved into a bunch of different renduals and now
so we moved back to LA and we had bought
this house that I was going to take down to
the studs because I redo houses and stuff. But after
the fires and everything, and then we got sort of
screwed by this contractor. I just got over it. It's
this gorgeous piece of property. I just don't feel like
(41:36):
doing it anymore. So I'm selling it. And we're living
like where I am right now, Like this is the
ocean out here. So it's a high rise. Oh, it's
so sexy. It's like living in New York. There's like
ten people downstairs at all times. There's always someone to
help you. But it's in La. It's the best. I
never want to see a blade of grass again.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Stop you're in that phase right now? Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Well, I have two kids in college. The third one
is going off to Yale next year, so she's gone
to college, and then I have one going into high
school next year. So like the light at the end
of the tunnel is very shut, very right.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
That's fourteen is yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Wait, are you you're looking forward to like an empty
your house.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Or you're you are really yes? Yes, Oh, don't people
get like upset about it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
You know, it's funny they say, they say the kids
shit in the nest when they're in high school. So
I guess a lot of kids act up before they
go to college to make you happy that they're leaving.
I really didn't have that experience. I'm really close with
my kids. We have a great relationship. We still travel together.
I visit them, they visit OZ like all the things,
and there's face time, which is so much better. But
(42:48):
I have to say, and you'll see this, I mean,
your kids are so young, it's so hard to even
wrap your brain around it. But I've enjoyed every stage
with them. And then it's like you've done your job.
Not that it's ever over, but you've done your job,
and now it's time to watch them soar and fly.
Like my two oldest both have internships this summer going
into their senior year of college that are so interesting
(43:11):
and different and really cool and write for them and
maybe this is their thing and it's exciting to watch
them grab onto it.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
You know, yeah, that does sound cool.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
So I go fly and leave my home, yes, but
come back to visit, come.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Back to visit or let's meet in the South of France.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Cute love that.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
What's hot right now? In New York? Do you get
do you go out? Do you take date nights?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
So I don't. I mean, no, we do.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
We'll we'll go out to eat, We'll go out to eat.
But I'm not that. You know my friend, I just
went out with my friend last night and she told
me because she you know, when you have like too
many glass of wine with your friend and you get
so deep, like literally, my husband doesn't understand. I come
home and he asks me, like, you met up at
seven and you got home at eleven thirty, Like what
did you talk about four and a half hours?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
And you're like, finish our conversation, you like text each
other on the way home, Oh, we forgot to talk
about whatever.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Like he doesn't get it. He's like, I'm thinking, I
think he's sure. I'm like talking about him the whole time,
and I'm like, we talked about you, Like I think
that's what he's worried about that I'm like planning the divorce.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I'm like, I did talk about you.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Like He's like, what did you why was it all?
What did you talk about? Like nothing, but but we
did get deep. So I remember she asked me like
she basically said that if she were in my position,
doing my kind of job, she would have like she
would have gone off the deep end, Like she would
have taken advantage, she would have gone to all the parties.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
She would have drank more.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
You know what I mean, she would have That's just
her personality where I'm like not just not like that,
like I'll I won't go to almost anything. I'm just
like I'm a loser. No, I I just I like
being home most of the time. So I really pick
and choose like what I go to, what I spend
my time on, like who I spend my time with.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
You know that's so good, that's so intentional. See, I
think at your age, I felt like I had to
take it while it was there. It's your Your attitude
about it is so healthy, so refreshing, and it's better.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Well for me taking what is there to me? Like
the the there to me is like my my work.
So like I'll do anything for like a podcast, gas
or something that has to do with what I do.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
But like do I I don't.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
Care about like Premier's brand opening store.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
You know what I mean those things.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Are like I'm not going to go unless it's like
a friend somebody.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I like, you know, an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
It's just not why would I Why would I put
the effort into that to like have a getty picture?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Right, you know something you need a getty picture, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
I was at an event a couple of weeks ago,
and I was I was myself and I was meeting
someone or whatever. There was a red carpet. I'll always
do the red carpet if it's like for a good cause,
good talking points, whatever, but I really just needed to
I pictured.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
But dress, that is true, and especially if you're getting dressed,
like there better be a pick or I'm leaving.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Do you always get glam done or do you do
your own?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
I mean if I do, if I will make the
effort go to a premiere, do the thing, then one
hundred percent, I'm like getting the glam and doing the thing.
But I really don't like it. I don't know how
people do glam all the time, Like it's so boring.
I don't want to sit in a chair for three hours,
Like like imagine your event is at five and then
you have to leave it four. That means you have
(46:42):
to get glam at like one, so you're literally like
glued to your chair. Like I just want people to
know that that it's not fun because I feel like
people see influencers or vingos people like getting glam and
it's like, I don't get how people do it all
the time.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
It just you have to picture it like this. It's
like you know when you get married and it's important,
so you have to do all the things. It's like
that always. It's like the fact you have to take
in everything, shower.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Do you do glam for the show all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So it was really hard for me going from scripted
television to reality TV and realizing there's no glam team.
I was like, okay, and I'm good at doing my
own makeup, which I do a lot. I'll do my
makeup a lot, but at the time, I didn't really
know how to do lashes. And I remember my first
season on the show, Alexis Blino said to me, well,
(47:33):
it's really not hard just learning how to do your lashes.
Just buy him and I was like, okay, So I
bought a pair of lashes, I went home, I tried
it a couple of times, I'm like, all right, I
got this, and so I like, obviously if it's for
a big photo shoot or I was gonna say the reunion,
but I've done my makeup myself for a couple of
the reunions. Really yeah, I have it.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Just got hair. Yeah, hair is hard, Harris.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
I think this isn't even my hair. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
It looks good.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
First of all, you look so good without makeup, Like
your look right now with the little sprits that is
in my car.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I love sprits. Is actually anything in the sprits I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
I am an all or nothing person. I either look
like this or I have a full face beat. I
don't understand people that can do a swipe of glosses
and the scare.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
That's not me at all.
Speaker 3 (48:25):
I'm getting the miss guys, do you.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Are you someone who has a five year plan or
you fly by the seat of your pants. I mean,
obviously your instincts are so good in this space and
with your brand, you've done so well. But like now, what.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
I'm always talking about the things you know, and you know,
I think people in this industry know, like when you
have like teams or you're working with agents and stuff
like that. A lot of times you get offered to
do a lot of things really quick, like podcast tours
and books.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
And this and that. And I know, and I am.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
I think I'm too intentional because I think about things
for five years because I really want it to be,
Like I don't want to just do it because people
will buy tickets or because I have it.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
So why not do it?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
So I always think about things for way too long,
so I think about them. But my dream dream, like
my vision board dream that I'm saying you right now,
and it's I think everyone knows it's like hard to
say a dream because it's like feels embarrassing sometimes or like,
you know, too big. But I think, at the end
of the day, like what I'm doing on my podcast
(49:37):
would be my dream for it to be on TV,
even though nowadays you hear about TV and the decline
of TV and the podcasts are actually doing better than
TV shows and all this fucking shit. But the end
of the day, there's something about just me always watching
like late night talk shows and when Chelsea Handler had
(49:57):
hers like that's just the vibe that I would want,
you know that I that is on my vision board.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
But I have to also say, like I would be so.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Content to keep just doing what I'm doing at the
rate that I'm doing it, because I'm just just makes
me really happy, you know.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
And it's a hard thing to put out there because
there's certain things you get one shot at. Sometimes you
can get more than one shot, but oftentimes you get one. However,
on the opposite side of that, and this would be
my advice, is that sometimes all of us spend so
much time making it so precious and trying to make
(50:36):
it so perfect that we don't end up doing it
and it doesn't have to be that perfect. Yeah, Like
take the tour for example. Touring is so big right now,
and you have such an engaged, beautiful community, you should
one hundred percent of touring.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Yeah, No, you're right, Heather, It is true. Sometimes I do.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I overthink things to the point of like even I
discussed with like this. I took a meeting with this
book agent and she said to me also about a book,
and I was.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Like, I don't know if I want to write a book.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
I'm not a little And she said to me, which
I know will be sad to hear for listeners, right,
because everything to you is so beautiful and it's like
breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
But she just said to.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
Me, like a book for most of the people that
you love to come up with books that aren't authors, right,
that are celebrities, influencers, whatever, it's just another piece of
their brand, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
And that's how she put it.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
And it made a lot of sense to me for
two days and I forgot about it. But when she
said that, I was like, right, like, I look at
it like this like romantic you know thing, whereas it's
like a thing that you churn out.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
And it's hard for me.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Sometimes I call myself anti culture sometimes even though I'm
like I'm in the culture, but because I can be
so like kind of anti the things that you're like
supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
But I'm taking your advice.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Yeah, I think especially book. So Terry and I wrote
three books together, crazy, Like, did I ever think I'd
write a fucking book? No? We wrote three? Okay, so
well I write another one? Who does? But what is
interesting about it is it's part of your package and
it's a credential, you know what I'm saying, And it
(52:20):
makes you it is I agree it's part of your brand.
But also, if you take out the achiness of what
that feels like, it's also a love letter to your community.
It's like, here's a little something that I'm going to
tell you that you can read on your own and
digest that that I haven't talked about on the podcast.
(52:40):
I want to share with you because you love me
so much. You want to buy this book.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah, no, you're right. That's a good way to look
it out.
Speaker 1 (52:48):
So as your other mother, I say you need to
write a book and go on tour.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I'm taking it. I swear I'm taking it. I'll set
up the meetings, do it, doing it, and.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
The next time in New York, we have to go
and have a cocktail.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
Yes, please, You're so cool. I really enjoyed meeting you
a lot. I think you're so great and smart and fun. Yes,
and have fun on your trip. I won't say worry
even though she told me bye, continue, Thank you, my lofe.
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