March 6, 2025 • 58 mins
Fashion designer and friend of the pod CARLA ROCKMORE joins Heather to discuss who shined (and who fell short) on this year's Oscars runway!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's job with Heather debros starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
She's a fashion designer, a social media sensation, a woman
with like literally the world's greatest closet, and my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Please welcome Carla Rockmore. Hello, honemy, Hi, how are you?
It's good?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm good. It's been a while.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I know, well out again, but I haven't seen you.
Are you back in LA soon?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
You know? I really need to. I really need to
get to La. But there.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's literally been back to back lately, mostly New York.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So are you a fashion week?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I was not. I skipped.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
This is my second time I've skipped it. Yes, I
don't you know what. I had to shoot my spring line.
It always falls in the in the wrong spot for me.
I mean too, I know you know, and.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I do have to start making an efferent But you
know I love that good.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I don't love getting up at five in the morning
for hair and makeup.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know it's hard.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Wearing a spring look in minus twenty. Don't love it?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I know, you know it's funny. Well, first of all,
I just got back from Paris.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I was telling you last night, and I and Paris
Fashion Week is just beginning. So I was there for
one day, but I looked at all the shows and
it was nothing that you know, I was like dying
to go to and I was with my daughter Max,
and so I went to go visitor.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
For basically two and a half days I was in Paris.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But you know what, Yeah, the the I like, the
like the spirit of fashion week, like everyone the street
fashion and the way everyone walks around.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's so great.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, it gives you, It feeds you, It gives
you energy and you don't need to sleep so good.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But then you get home, okay, after all that adrenaline.
It's an adrenaline rush because there's so much stimulation, and
then I think you crash.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, and it's a little like maybe post showed depression,
you know, because you're like excited and you plan everything.
I do find it, I mean for me, because I'm
not you and I'm not a fashionista. Sometimes I find
it a little overwhelming to you know, even like red
carpet things.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And I've gotten better over the last few years.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think you and I've talked about this, but I
had a stylist for years and I haven't had one
in the last couple of years, and I'm sort of
enjoying it, like I don't really care if people don't
like it, and you know, I'm kind of, you know,
I don't know, experiments your own.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
You're listening to your gut and you're listening to your
own style, and isn't that better than listening to somebody
else the end of the yay?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And it's just like home design. I mean, my feelings
are always the same. Keep the background neutrals, so you
could sell your house eventually, but you know, do fun
things with your accessories and your pillows.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So it's you know, it's the clothing is the canvas,
and the accessories are the color, the paintbrush, you.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Know, all the all.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The acoust It's crazy though, I wanted to say so Max,
as you know Max historically, you know, has had anxiety,
and you know, we were worried years ago would she
even go to college. And she's been you know, Boston, thriving,
and now she's in Paris, and I have to tell you,
so we dropped her off as I haven't seen her
in like seven weeks something like that, six weeks, and
(03:37):
so to go back.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I went alone, and it was great.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, I know, you get to do it this
with Ivy, this like having that mother daughter alone time.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
It's amazing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Isn't it the best?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It really is. And just watching her like handle things.
She's on the metro. She she was so funny. She's like, mom,
should we take the metro? I said, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'm so happy for you that you do those things,
but that is not your mother.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The metro is.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Actually the best, like one of the best things in
Paris is not for me now. I think it's because
I grew up in Quebec and we have a metro.
Like it's not even a subway, it's the metro.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right, it's better clean.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh it's very clean.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I loves it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And she's living where their dorms are is in Evely,
so it's outside of Paris, so they have to take
the metro. But she's doing so great and it was
so fun and we you know, we packed a lot
into two and a half days.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I have to tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I mean I met her, I met her new friends,
took them out for dinner, did a whole gig's dancing
on the table, vibe, fun, and then we took a
class to make croissants and pano chocolette. Yes, that was great.
And we did a lot of retail therapy. And then
one night we did the most fabulous thing. We had
(05:04):
ninety minute massages. Oh we ordered room service. Yes, we
watched a movie we didn't love.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
You know, every vacation I go on with my husband
the last night, like the night that we're packing, that's
what we do. That is all day, yes, because you're
running around the rest of the trip and that's our
day to like stay in the hotel, be in a bathrobe,
(05:34):
have a service or two. You know, order room service.
The best way to end a trip.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's so smart because then you are headed home in
the right mindset.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Right right, and like you don't have to think about
the last day, like what am I gonna wear the
last day?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know, it's it's just it's easy. It's an easy
way to.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I I love it, Terry. It's room service.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh really, mm hmm, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
First of all, it does not like eating in bed
and roll a table in.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I know he doesn't really like it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, look, my husband won't go on a boat, so
there you go.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So Terry has never wanted to.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Go on a boat, and like when I was young,
you know, my parents took us on cruises and we
did all that stuff, but it's never really floated my
boat fun, but it's never really been like something I'm
dying to do. And then friends of ours proposed to
this trip that we are going on, and so we've
chartered a yacht with friends and we're going to Croatia.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Mmmm, you're gonna love it. I hear, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I hear it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And I made sure the boat has stabilizers and it's
going to be grits. It's nice sized yacht. And what
I feel so weird saying yacht. It sounds so like
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That's what it is at the end of the day.
And I don't think like Croatia. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I mean, I'm terrible in geography, but I don't think
you're on open water ocean.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You're gonna be in more of these little lakes.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Right, it seems calmer.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And so we're going from split to Dubrovnik and I'll
pose something. But if anyone has been there and has
great recommendations, love.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
To hear that, But yeah, I think that's what we're
gonna do.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I think we're gonna go to Montenegro for a couple
of days, and then we're gonna go to Split and
then take sail from Split to Dubrevnick and then we
have to stop in New York for something and then
I'm so excited. But Terry was never a boat person,
and so for him to say yes to the boat
I found shucking.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Now is he not a boat person because he gets nauseous,
right exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So that's the same way with Michael. He gets seasick.
But Terry will not get seasick there because it's.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Not You're not on open water. Right, it should be fine,
it should be fine. I think it's such a great idea.
You know, we were thinking about that ourselves as Ivy
is doing a summer program in Berlin.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
How great? What does she study?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Wait? What year is she?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
She is a sophomore, right, she's a great young the
twins right.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Okay, Yes, she's a sophomore.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And she transferred from the Claremont Colleges to Brown, so
she didn't want to take a full semester off because
she's loving the school so much. That, she says, I
don't want to miss anything. I mean, that's the best
thing you can hear from your kid. Yeah, okay, fine,
but you need to explore the world.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Take a summer program. So she's doing.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's a East West Berlin six week kind of understanding.
You know what happened and how the two are you
know at how the two have sort of integrated.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I hear it's I've never been to Berlin. Okay,
supposed to be unbelievable what.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I have, Chill, what an experience.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, so I think we're going to drop her off.
I don't know who we are.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think that, Yeah, definitely go drop her off.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'll tell you, with all, she'd done any studying abroad yet.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Let me think she went when she was twelve to Colombia.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
On her own with a little group to do.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Cs CISV, which is an unbelievable I think I told
you about CISV, that sort of youth peace organization. Yeah, right,
but no, I don't think she hasn't been abroad on
her own as an adult.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, Well, this is what I've done with my kids,
because like Nikki, when he was younger, the school took
them on a little European tour when they were in
eighth grade. Kind of same vibe as what I've did,
but we didn't go.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Obviously the school took them.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But when NICKI went abroad and when Max and listen,
you don't have to take them, but if you can,
I will tell you it was such a fun experience,
especially at this age, our kids, at this age, I
took them. I took Nick in the fall, I took
Max in January, stayed a couple of days, got them
acclimated to the time, so that and like you know,
(10:16):
walked am around, especially like these are the bank machines
you're supposed to use, and yes, they can figure it
out on their own. I didn't like show them everything.
But you know something, I'm totally with you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I know one hundred Michael's going to take me.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You should go.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And then I'm dropping a QBC dropped like right there,
so I can't.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But she, but she's gonna go with him.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
He's only going to be there for three four days
with her letter get climatized as that, running around, make
sure she has everything she needs for the dorm.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right because it's crazy, like when we did the dorm
thing in Paris. I mean, they don't have the same
kinds of stores that we have. They did have Ikea
kill me following the arrows around the thing. I mean
like you get but yeah, to go to the get
the extension court. I will say one of the things
(11:09):
I did with Max Nikki handled himself because we had
to drop him off in Milan and he was studying
in Florence and they did orientation in Milan.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
He set himself up. He was fine. I didn't buy
him anything and he was totally fine. Max.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I was like, all right, I packed command strips, I
packed sticky hooks, things that I did.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Not want to have to source there. I highly recommend that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
She's only going to be there six weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's not it doesn't matter you want a hook to
put your bathrobe on. Six weeks it's annoying to have
your wet bathrobe on the floor, your towel.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And you know what, now that I think about it,
I lied, she's going in a week to Paris, maybe
two weeks over spring break. She's going to Paris for
a week to be with friends, so she'll have her
first Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But you know what, I'm worried about what. I'm worried
about her coming.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Back because she's gonna love it so much.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
No, no, no, she wants to come back. I'm worried
about her freaking passport.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Is your passport not changed?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
No, it's not changed. We didn't change it in time.
So I'm now she's fine. She's already had an experience,
she had Global Entry.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
She does.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Oh, she'll be fine. You by the way, global Entry.
Now have you done it recently?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah? I haven't been her recently, like in the past
two months.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No, no, like six months year al right.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So yes, in LA we have this thing called private suite,
so you can avoid the regular part of the airport,
and it's like it's like a bougie with her own
TSA and everything. So that's that's easy. But the last
time I came through somewhere and I had to go
to TSA, I think, oh it was we went to
London on the show last year, and so we came
(12:59):
back and we had to go through TSA and.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It was just your eyes, you don't talk to anyone.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yes, yeah, I just had that. I went to see
Oh that's right, it's nothing, Oh so good. So yeah,
I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think she'll be I think she'll be just fine,
because she wasn't just fine at the American Airlines lounge.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I gotta tell you this woman, I mean, she gave
her driver's license, she was only going back to school,
and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She absolutely looks like a girl, and she is a girl,
for God's sakes. But anyway, and.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
She have an M on her driver's license.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And and her her birth name right, So she's like,
you ain't that this person? And she's like, well, actually
I am. And it was a bit of a you know,
back and forth. She called Michael crying. Michael kind of
smoothed it over and then she was okay.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
But I couldn't believe it, Like I couldn't believe this
person was so interested in obviously making her feel hutiliated.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yes, I mean she's a young girl. You could see,
she's a tiny little like what are you picking on
people for?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Are you worried about sending her to Germany.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Or you going to bring her back? Absolutely not there.
Oh my god, it's both.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Germany is the.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Most creative and accepting place country. Well, Berlin, I don't
know about the rest of it. Berlin is like you
could be pink with purple polka dots and nobody looks
at you.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's just very, very accepting.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I love that. Okay, So this is a great place
for her to go.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
This is a great place.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Well, it's a great place for her to go, it's
not such a great place for mammy to think of
her going because the night life is insanity, really insanity.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, it's good for her, she'll have so much fun.
That's what you're supposed to do in college. Stop worrying.
And you've taught her all the smart things. Cover your drink,
don't take anything that's not open, all the things.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I know, but just you know, you know what
it's honestly to tell you the truth.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's her transness that freaks me out about her going out.
She knows to stay with friends, but can you imagine
an inebriated college guy Okay, now, right, and he likes her,
and he's dancing with her and they're having fun, and
then she has to disclose. Obviously, she knows from the
(15:44):
minute she says hello to sort of explain that, yeah,
so that he doesn't find her in the face and
take her teeth out because he's drunk and his own
male ego was bruised.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Right. Yeah, so there. It makes me so sad.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's like, you can't even like have a conversation and
get to know someone.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I know, well it is, you know, you know, we
all it's hard.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
But she's willing to accept that those bits for living
her authentic self, right, And you know, I give her.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Props for that. I don't know. I don't know if
I was strong enough to do something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I feel the same way, like, I mean, listen, I yeah,
I mean the insecurities that I had about my body
that so many of us have. I mean, I think
she's so brave and I love seeing her thrive.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I love when you guys do videos together. I'm so happy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I've been thinking about those videos since she left, because
you know, she's not here to play in the closet
with me regularly.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, and I miss it. I really miss too.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I miss being able to like pass on little tips
and tricks that I didn't think, you know, any of
my kids would be interested in when they were young,
And all of a sudden, there's this camaraderie between the
two of us. What's also interesting is I find that.
(17:17):
You know, as women in general, doesn't matter if your
transor cists. We come with issues based on what the
world tells us. We have to in order to feel
good about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
At such a young age.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
When I was twenty, if I didn't feel I looked
good if I was going to a party, I would
have so much anxiety.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Me too, right, I.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Had to be perfect.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I had to have the same dress that all the
other girls had.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I had to have like you know, yeah, Hi, what
are we wearing tonight?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We're all we're all wearing black top and jeans and
those boots.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, good, So.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
She has the same thing.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
She's doing the same thing, And it's so funny to
see that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It just it carries over.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It doesn't matter what you are, you know, it doesn't
matter if your cis or trance, if.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
You are a female. It's funny, but it's also not great.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
The society puts it on us to fit in with
the crowd and look the same way.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean one hundred percent, and you know, social media
and filters and all the things, it just makes it
so much worse. You know, I've seen people posting recently
like here's my cellulite or here's my acne scarring, or
here's my this, or here's my dad, and it's like,
my gosh, can you imagine having been that confident to
be like, I don't care. There it is at twenty
(18:41):
thirty forty.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I'm just thankful there were no video cameras then.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh god, I'm glad I'm at the age where the
cellulites are now acceptable.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, forget it. I'm not even I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's too much. I'm all right.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So I have some other questions. But first of all,
I literally just got home from Paris last night. I
had to be places and do things and whatever. So
I just started opening packages and just got.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
This insane bag from you, Carla.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
In the color, I know, the Pantone color is Mochomo's,
but this ox blood color is.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The best color right now.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's the ox blooded.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
This one's called mayr low, but ox blood, mayrre low whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But it's kind of like in that family.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's in that family.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yes, it's so it's very And what's amazing about that
one being the mini is that you can do it
cross body. You can wear it as a shoulder bag.
You can literally like do it small enough that it's.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
A little clutch. It does a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And that color is summer and winter. It's one of
my favorite. Do you know what my favorite color combination
is with that color, that deep deep wine color, My.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Favorite, like my mouth is watering.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Okay, let me hear it, mado red.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh yeah, that's very you I can see that. Yes,
it takes a lot of hoodsbu to be able to
pull the vault. Yeah, I mean for like, I think
for me, and I would say for many people, color
is scary, and I want to I have some very
specific color questions.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Ru.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I like black, you know that, Like.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I wear a lot of black. I do pops of
color every once in a while, I will wear something
not black. It was like, oh, you should wear more
color a little bit. And I think it's partially because
I really just I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I like black.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's like how I grew up, That's how I feel
my prettiest, and so I lean into it because.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I love it as you should.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, However, I think a lot of people wear black
because it's easier. So by default, you know, if you're
wearing all black, it all goes together.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well, it's actually harder though, but.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
To see if the black's man that too.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, but see, you can wear black forever because of
your skin tone. Okay, but there are many, many colorations
between hair and skin tone that should not be wearing black.
At a certain age, when we start losing our natural glow,
you know, not the one that comes in a bottle
(21:24):
like everybody's. Everybody's doing so much glow lately, we're all
starting to look like the tin man. But yeah, but
there are many many people who cannot carry off black.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It drains the.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Color out, oh, I see, at a certain point, so
you've got to consider the darkest of navies. It is
so complimentary on those people who have a hard time
carrying off black as they age.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
That's it, that's it. You can wear any color or
that you freaking want. Aware.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
If it's draining, you throw on a little blush.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Blush, blush.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
That's what our mother has taught us. Add some blush.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Always and I'll always.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It's funny because there's this trend on social now where people,
the younger kids, yeah, are saying, you know, they see
people on the street and they're blush blind, like they're
adding too much blush.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh I see, yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
A lot of blush.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So what I want them to do is zip it
and talk to me about blush blind when you're in
your forties and fifties, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
We need the blush. And then when you walk inside
and the lighting is different, it all looks good.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's very difficult, all right, but you hear a cream blush,
a cream blush, A good cream blush. Try, Yes, I
don't know, can't do it. There's like a bunch of
questions mix in this. But I was watching the Oscars
and the Vanity Fair party in.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The whole thing.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay, So what I noticed is, first of all, there
was a ton of white.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
A lot of white, A lot of bridle. Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Ye are, so I believe in wearing white year round.
I'm totally fine with that. But they're really like, when
does a dress like it looked a lot of like
bridal to me?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Well, yes, there were some of them that were more
bridal esque. I think the ones that the ones that
I really appreciated were the ones where a little bit
of metallic was infused in the white yea, and a
little bit of nude.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Almost excited me more than the white, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
And I really loved when it's clean, animalist, stark white.
That's where it doesn't look like it's a wedding dress
as soon as you start putting on lace, father holes
and little ruffles, especially all together. I mean, if you're
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going to do lace, ruffle and pearls, somebody needs to
throw you a bouquet.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, okay, so I noticed that. So there was the white.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But then what's her name, Kim Kardashian star at the shows? Okay,
wearing it was the.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Most stunning white dress.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It had a big, blass black sash of a bow,
but it was off the shoulder. It was just a
full little princess bodice top and then the skirt was
huge like Cinderella. But the fabric, and that's a wedding silhouette, right, white, right,
But because she had that black sash, and because there
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wasn't a bead on it and it was crinkle fabric
like paper cool, it looked like she was wearing paper.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, it was fabulous.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh I love it to play.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
With it that way.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, So that was the first thing. The second thing was.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And this surprised me because this felt I think I'm
gonna call it eighties, but it could be nineties.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Was There is a lot of red and black together.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's a problem, it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Did you not notice that?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Like Brian Howie, who I adore, she's fabulous, she was
wearing a red and black dress. Coleman Domingo, also a friend,
love him, he was wearing red and black. I can't
remember if he was wearing Gucci or I don't know.
And I think McQueen is showing a lot of and
always does show a lot of red and black together.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And so yeah, first, what's the problem with that?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I just don't like it. I think that I think
the contrast is too stark. It's too stark a contrast.
I like black black as a shade. Okay, it's not
a color. So the best, the most, the easiest, and
the chickest way to wear black is with white gray
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of sorts. And then you get into the neutral colors
like navy, chocolate, brown, camel, dark olive, things that aren't
as contrasty as a red. You know, mind you, I
do love a good neon yellow and black, but that's
because I'm an eighties girl.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You know there's like that too.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Yeah, I'm actually having a battle over red and black
right now because I bought a pair of shoes that
I just adore. They're red, okay, And I didn't know
that people in the United States, being a Canadian, have
an issue with white blue, red, white and blue because.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I have a lot of navy, right, No, but you go, oh, right,
because that's something you'd wear on Memorial Day or July fourth,
or I'll.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Have this gorgeous pair of red shoes. They're like and heel.
The entire thing are red feathers. It looks like I'm
wearing high heel slippers. Okay, love it, Love it. Except
I have a lot of navy dresses and poofy things
and black, right those two, And I put it with black,
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and I immediately grow a hive. And I put it
with navy, and somebody's looking at me, like, are you
you're going to singing seeing the spar the stars.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Star spangled banner.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm screwed because I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Wait the you know what, I like that with though,
I like that with like an army green.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's that's good. That's very very good.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yes, like the red I think is yes, yes, khaki.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, but let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I'm asking this sort of selfishly because I have this
little red dress.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's so simple, but it's just cute. It's like this,
I like the just picture like a sheet.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's a sheet, a mini sheeth.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
No, but it's like straps, but thicker straps, straight across,
tight to away, little bells. Bert It's got this rose
on the front of it. It's super simple and the
straps are like interesting, They're like larger narrow. It's just
so pretty. But it's short and old lady knees. Yes,
you do not want to be naked in this dress?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And so what does it want?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Or even if it's nighttime, what if you were wearing
it out, like if you want to wear I want
to wear hoes or something, what would you do with that?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, So that's a question and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
What do you do with red?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Because after seeing the oscars, I thought, huh, can you
wear black hose and black shoes with that? Because like
Brian's dress was red with like let's.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Just call it black piping.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But it wasn't piping, you know, it was like you
know the tapes accoutrement, and then Coleman's suit was like
a red suit with black lapels and things, and again
it brought me back to like, I think, the eighties.
And then I was like, is that like a tux rental?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
That looks like is that cheek? I can't tell?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And then I have this red dress and I'm like,
do I do it with black and black?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I hate that.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Here's the difference between what was shown at the Oscars
and wearing a black sheer tight sheer not shear. So
if you're doing a very sheer tight, you are diffusing
the black, so it's not as stark a difference as
the red and the black suit or the red and
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the black dress. When you have the same fabrication in
a you know, a fire engine red and a black
those are both opaque, strong colors, so they're fighting each other.
Whereas if you do a shear right in a black pose,
it's softer and so because you can't do nude, No,
(29:56):
you can't do a nude hose right. You don't want
to do navy or else you'll be in the position
I am in, right, So it's got to be black.
But it's got to be sheer, and then you can
do a black shoe because you've now continued the line
and you're dropping yourself up right, So you're cool with that.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'm cool with that as long as it's sheer.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
I'm not cool with opaque because then I want to
sing derandurant exactly this.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I was like, I don't know what to do with this,
but I want to. Okay, so I'm gonna do that right.
And then last trend, which I know you're gonna hate,
and so I'm just throwing it out there. I mean,
we're so naked now that literally okay. I mean I
can't even get into Kanye's soon to be ex wife
with the vagina out.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just the x ys is this new?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I think they're splitting up. I thought I read that.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
What a shocker.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I know, but I mean, but I mean putting the
vagina away for a second, because I think we can
just all agree like that. That was just a stunt.
I don't know why why we need to see it.
But every dress on everyone. There was Zoe Kravitz, who
I adore and I think she's stunning, but did.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You see her dress?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Her dress was like half sheer halfway down so you
could see like half the butt crack.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And I don't know, Like I'm not telling you I
was offended by it.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Like her body looked amazing, But I mean, there's nipples here,
there's vagina's there, there's and I'm not a prude at all,
but I guess I'm old school when it comes to that.
The teasing of the body parts I find so much sexier.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Right, Absolutely, this is why I transition to a one piece.
I gotta tell you, the one piece is so sexy.
Maybe on me, I find it more chic and more
like it's lifting everything up rather than me having this
suck everything in right, And it's just it leaves something
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to the imagination. You know who did a very good
sheer esque dress rec was Alah. They did a white
and a black. I'm drooling over it. It's a it's
a bandit not a bandage, but it's a tight like
little dress like jersey.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Of sorts to the floor. So it's tight, ye, but
the jersey covered the boops.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
And you had this sheer stripe that sort of weaved
down the body from the from.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The cleavage to the right hip.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You had a bit of skin where your panty line
should be, but then the shear went all the way
down the leg where a slit would be.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
That's how you do shear.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Because you're using it in a way that that compliments
a woman's body because we have lines.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You know, there are lines to our shape.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
So if you're not careful as to where you place
the shear, you're gonna it's it's discon it's going to
cut you up.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I was trying undresses for an event for recently. I mean,
I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I hate to sound like such a prude.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
We have to come to terms with the fact that
we are from a different era at.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
This and we come with our.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Baggage in the sense that my grandmother would never have
worn light.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
After Labor Day. I don't twice about it.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
But I do, and I do like some of the year,
like I mean, I think retrofat. Also, I wore like
like sort of a sheer thing to the reunion last
year that was chocolate brown. And I know my favorite
sheer piece I have is I have two really good
sheer pieces.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
One is a sheer to see a unit by Max Mehrat,
but it has a lining and then let me see,
we keep.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Going on and it's sheer.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
It's like to the knee trench coat with a belt,
but that's completely sheer. Oh I love that, right, But
you shake a pant, Yeah, you were with the pant
and it's just and it's timeless.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
This is the front of it. I'm wearing a bra.
But whatever else you see that's not sheer is built
into the dress.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's all black to me, text it to me. It
might be the alloy, no, but the allia didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You got to see the back though, because that's you know.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Oh yeah, Well, first of all, I'm sorry. If I
had your turlus, i'd be wearing.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Your dress too.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm going to text these two so you could see
the dress.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You could have done that with a boy shorts, but
it wouldn't have looked as good.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
But you know, it's it's got like just let me
built in. It's built in. I'll explain it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So it's like a sheer, black, long sleeve long dress.
It has nothing up top built in, but it's got
almost like in the front it looks like a strong
and in the back it looks like a thong.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I just texted it to you so you could see it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It's a gorgeous dress, and I put it on, but
then I went, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I just you know, I just don't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Well, the problem is you wouldn't be enjoying the night
because the only thing you'd be thinking about is you ask. Hey,
it's the only thing you'd be thinking about.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I know, right, and when he needs to think about.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
That all night long, like, enjoy the night, have a drink,
not as my not as my butt sticking out the
back and our people staring at me.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I know.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And then I don't know if you saw this on
my Instagram, but I was at this charity event and
I wore this legant's number.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yes, yes, that they set me.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And I love Leason's and it's to me, this is
like this is a good sheer. Yes, so what it's
like pants that are lace but it has a boy
short built in underneath it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And then there was a.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Lace bralette top, and then the blazer has lace sleeves.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
But I would ever take the jacket off.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And I'll tell you something, I have real boobs, right,
And this lace little bralette had no cup, no nothing,
and I put the little old lady boobs in there.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'm like, that's so not good. And then I took
out my.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Sticky boobs and my sticky boobs are sticky on both sides, right,
so it sticks to your boob and the other side
sticks to your garment. But it was lace, so like
you could touch. If you touch my boob, it would
be sticky on the outside too.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It was so ridiculous. Yeah, and I ran into dreet
Kevsley there and I was like, my boob is sticky.
I don't even know what to do. I probably didn't
do that right.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And you know what it was.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
It was probably uncomfortable when you sat down because it
was pulling like the sticky.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It really did.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think it was fine once I got it all
hunyak together right, it was all right. It was so
dumb though, so crazy, all these little contraptions we have
to do to put a dress on.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
What do you see as trends for spring? Like what
should we be doing?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Well, you know, it's funny because they have been talking
about quiet luxury dying already because it's been.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
So didn't it just start?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Do they just mean wearing bows or do they mean what?
Speaker 4 (37:17):
No? Quiet luxury is very simple, timeless bodies, styles in
very clean colors with hardly any trim. So a white
blouse this is very me with a camel pleader pant
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and a black trench coat, something that you will have
forever and always has been, you know. I mean there's
certain designers like Kate, like the Row, like who else.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Oh, there's so.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Many that Prada has been doing a lot of that Prada.
But Prada has this I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Between Simons and Muci, I mean mucha forget it like
she's a genius. She even when she does that, she
pushes the envelope right, you know, Like this collection she
came out with at the shows this past fashion week,
(38:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like every piece was uglier than the next.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
And it was, but it was it was so gorgeous
because of that, Like the dresses looked matronly, the hair
was all for clemped, it was all like she just
got out of bed.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
And the makeup wasn't done, but it was.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
It was speaking to all this overdoneness and all this
sexy that we do, and it was.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
So timely and perfect because.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Of that, and also what's walking the runway isn't what
they're selling.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, well, like maybe an iteration of it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, with Prada, is is with certain designers. Prada, it's
pretty on the nose. Are dim it's pretty on the nose,
you know. Scaparelli not so much. I mean, Ariana Grande
looked so stunning at the Oscars in that Scaparelli. It
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was breath taking on both of them, Yes, both of them.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
She turned around and had that shoe on her back.
I was like dead, It's perfect.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
That shoe was all over the shows and different iterations
and combinations.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I just wonder how you sit.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
To dinner like you know, I guess you do not.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
It's like that old I Love Lucy episode where she
had to go standing in the car and they had
to put the top down and then she had to
stand for dinner all.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Night, right.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Right, That's been me a couple of times, for sure.
For sure.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I always worried the shoe might take somebody's eye out, somebody's.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Do you ever purge your closet?
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I have to do it, Yes I do, And I
have to do one like imminently.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I really do have to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
What do you do with your stuff?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I mean, I used to give and sell, and I
used to do that, but now my daughter, it's like
every piece, even if it's crappy, she wants the crappy
more than she wants the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
She's so nate, right, So she wants like my old
Zara T shirts. I'm like, are you sure we can
get you a new one?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:37):
No, she likes the one that has the ketchup stain
on it. So everything goes up stairs because there's no
basements here.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Everything goes upstairs on rolling racks and it sits, and
it's gonna wait until she grows into them.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I keep a certain amount of vintage. I mean it's vintage.
She will take things of mine. She took is Chanelle
sweater of mine to Paris with her and she's like.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Oh, I love vintage goes.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm like, that's rude, right, right right. But it's hard
because what what would you tell people to do with
their clothes? I mean not everyone has a closet like yours.
And you know, certainly we when we moved out of
our house and we're in an apartment now, like I
don't have the space that I used to.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Problem when we move out.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I'm gonna look, I'm only fortunate enough to have this
closet because we moved down to Texas and there's a
lot of land, so they build the houses a little bigger, right.
I was running around my other home in Toronto with
the four little closets we had, naked from place to
place with my las was streaming.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Put down the fucking wines.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
You know. It was like one of those.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
But I think that you have to call regularly and
keep what you think still speaks to you. But maybe
you don't feel like wearing it this season, but it's
still something that you can see yourself wearing later.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know. Is I have this full?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
It's a full, it's a blouse and palazzo pants and
it's in a pink and purple Paisley.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Okay, that's the time.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
At the time, I thought it was like that cats
me out.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
It was sensational. I would do it with a few
shell lip I wore it once I had the moment, right,
and now it's going upstairs on the recks because I
just don't.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Feel you're gonna wear it again.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah no, But I also have a lot of design
work that I do, so I keep this stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Prince is excellent. I may recolor it.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
In another in another sort of you know, maybe it's
going to be a navy blue, emerald green.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Who knows what it's going to be, But the print
is good.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, So you keep these things for inspiration.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I heard that.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Iris Appfell had so much clothes at the end.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Well, first of all, she had her.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Apartment in New York, right, you had her mother's apartment
in New York. Her mother had passed, but she kept
the apartment which was just filled with rex. The whole
apartment just filled with res And she had a storage facility.
I think at the end of the day, I'm going
to have a little storage facility, which kind of pisses
me off because if it's all the way in the
storage facility.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Are you ever going to use it? But you know,
I took Kim Kardashian wants to have. She's got a
storage facility facility, and everything is archived photos of everything.
You know, it's all digital and so you know, you
could just scroll through it and you know, see what
your idea.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
She's Kim Kardashian, So why not, Right, I'm not going
there because I have some great vintage, and I have
some great but it's not like that, right.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You know, it's like I wear it. I sometimes I
put things away for a couple of years. I bring
them back out. Things like exactly what you're saying that
speak to me. I keep Sometimes you know, one of
the girls take something. Maybe you know, some of them
will have kids and they'll have you know, they'll hopefully
there's a girl in there and they'll want, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Some of my stuff. So I just keep that stuff.
But you know, but.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Where do you give it away? Because like the consignment stores,
I don't even want to name them, but some of
them are very annoying. They don't give you much money
for things. Sometimes they don't price them well.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
So where do you do that?
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Right? So I'm going to I'm going to plug here
right now. They're going to be all exted.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
There's a group of girls in North Carolina and they
I like.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I like to work with a small group rather than
a big I do like fashion.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
I do like that file. I think that Fashion file
is more ethical, let's say, than some of the others.
I'm ready, and they stick to their prices. There's none
of that. Oh, here's another twenty percent because it's a
you know, Saturday like, there's.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
None of that. But these two girls they will prey.
It's three girls. It's called the edit sale. Now here's
the thing.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
They're very small, so they do the Dallas Market and they.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Do North Carolina at this point, okay, but but that's
where they sell. It doesn't mean that they won't take
your stuff right and sell it. They have a huge
event twice a year, like in a big warehouse.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Everybody knows about it. Wow, and they do very well.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
They have only been doing it a few years.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Do you buy well, you buy vintage? Do you buy resale?
Is that the same thing?
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Absolutely no, it's not the same thing. But without question,
I love a good consignment store.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
How do you feel about? Are talking about the luxury?
So I was just in Paris. I did come home
with a lovely orange box.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Oh yes, I'll.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Have to show you a photo of that. You're gonna
love this color.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
But I have well, I have a thing two things.
Number One, I hate knockoffs. I hate them with every
fiber of my being. If I can't afford something, I
don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Good for you, and I just it drives me insane
because to me.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's copyright infringement, that is someone's proprietary design, and I
can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I hate walking.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Down the street in New York and seeing a six
foot table full of Van Cleef bracelet knockoffs, like it
just drives me crazy. And there's so many beautiful designers
out there at different price points that are.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Doing amazing, cool different things.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Right, So I hate knockoffs, and I have a thing
about energy, so.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I'm not I don't like, I don't want to carry
someone else's bag.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh I see, I see.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I don't have that, no, and I think so Look,
my daughter Max were very different and she's so funny,
I mean, but we always laugh, Like I like think
shiny and new, and it has to be as old
as possible for her.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
She loves antiques, she loves vintage.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
She wants things to be old and crusty and you know,
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
And so she's.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
More like my mom is like that.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
So she's more like my mom, and I love it
for her and it's amazing, but it's not me. I
don't want I don't want to carry someone else's thing.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
But do you think that's because it was your mom maybe, yeah,
Like I feel like there are things that my mother did,
okay and war that I have an aversion to, not
so much war. She always had great style and was
but like I won't keep food past like two days, right, yes,
(48:14):
because like you know, there could be a little animal
growing on it before she threw it out.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
She just she wasn't interested in that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
She was an artist, So I have an aversion to
things that I grew up with. And so because your
mom loved the old antiques, you may you might have been.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
It's almost like a rebellion.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, it perfectly could be. I mean we are so
and my mom too, like your mom also an artist.
And also like if you go in that freezer, you
have to excavate, like I don't even know what you
know from the ice age, what is in there?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Same thing?
Speaker 2 (48:56):
And always beautifully dressed, gorgeous style always and a little
more uncustume, you know, she she dresses a little more flamboyantly.
I'm like, I'm more of the quiet luxury dresser, like
very very different. But yeah, I love it for them.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
So not me, right, Well, that's next.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Even loves vintage jewelry anything vintage.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Love vintage jewelry. I love it.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
But that so it speaks to me, it doesn't speak
to you. That's the beauty. That's the beauty of listening
to our gut. Yes, there's no judgment against you or
me because I like vintage and you don't. You know,
it's just it enhances who we are on the inside,
which is way more important than the piece.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
One hundred But it reminds me of like when my
grandmother gave me one of her air Mez scarves, which
was the first I have a collection of air mes
scarves and it was the first one I ever owned,
and it smelled like her and but also it was
just like the most beautiful thing and it had her
energy to it, you know. So even now, like I'll
be like, oh, I'm taking Grandma on the trip, you know,
(50:03):
because I know, like there's it's like a piece of her.
And so I don't know who owned those other things right,
dry clean them?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
So yeah, we need to see.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
So my take home is sage your vintage, right right, Okay,
tell me before we go, tell me you're giving my
listeners like a fabulous code for a discount.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
What what is going on? What's the new drop.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Where's the whole carlic A Rockmore collection right now?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Where are we headed? And what's our code?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Well the code is Rockmore fifteen all capital letters, I believe.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Let me check.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
We'll post it too.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
Yes, rock Moore fifteen and you get fifteen percent off
anything in the on the website. And it is growing.
It's very exciting for me and for the team. Our
sling bags are doing super duper well.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
They always do because it's the type of bag. This
sling bag the best bag for travel.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
I can't even tell you because you don't need hands.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's it's big enough.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's big. You can put a water bottle in it.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
You can you can put so much stuff, a passport
in it if you have have to.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
There's a detachable wristlet, and there's two straps, and it's
the type of bag that you're not gonna get pick pocketed.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Like it's just not a zipper.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
You can't compete with this bag. But but there's more.
There's more because I need a tote when I work,
me too. I need someplace to put my computer, and
I need.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Someplace to put my mug, okay, my thermost because I'm
always drinking tea, and so I made.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
A tote bag. Oh my god. Firstly, look at the colors.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Okay, I'm dead. I want that yellow.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah, the saffron, let me show you.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
So it's just mushy, gushy enough for you to be
able to smush it under a ball. Yeah, but it's
just firm enough for it to pop right back.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And I see all the colors, way, pick them up.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
You've got saffron ye chili, which is this beautiful fire.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
It's like an orange red.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right, and I see a long strap allnut.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Right, the walnut and emerald green because I'm a green girl.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Right. But here's the best.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Here's the best.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Okay, inside your tote bag. Because I'm always traveling.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
So I think, what does a woman need when she
has a quick business trip like two days, Right, she
needs a tote bag for her computer and her stuff.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Which has a luggage slide things.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Oh, this is the best thing.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
So it's got like her toe bag has a piece
of leather on the outside of it so you can
slide it over the handle of your wheelie.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
That is the best.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
And you have a detachable strap, so you wear shoulder strap,
so you wear a crossbody or shoulder bag is a
great bag. Let's say you have a piece or two
of jewelry that you want to carry with you because
you don't want to put it in, you know, anywhere,
or a good sunglasses or something really special.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Inside the bag.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
And by the way, it snaps so you can put
it through security without losing things.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Okay, it's always a problem.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yet it's attached by two snaps, and you can take
it out and you get a second. It's called a
two in one. It's a mini nylon weekend er sling bag.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
So it's a two.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
You get a toe bag.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
And then on the weekend, when you finish your meetings
and you're running around doing a little shopping, you've got
a beautiful little mini right that is so.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is there what's inside? Let me see the inside the back.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
It's just it's just a nylon pouch.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
It's like the MANI know what's inside the toe? Oh wait, okay,
I want to do what's inside inside?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Obsessed? Right now?
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Inside you have a zipper compartment for your wallets and
for your pathwork. In front of that, you have two pockets,
one for your phone, one for your.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Charger or whatever it is. That you need.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
You have a thermost thingy, an elastic thermist thingy.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Or a water bottle holder.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
You have a computer sleeve with a snap so it
stays tight. You have another larger pocket in front of
that so you could put a.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Notepad or a book or whatever, and then you have
a ton of space.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Because it's so good. It's a perfect tote. I need
one of those.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I you know, I always travel with a toe bag.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
That is my life is. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Because if I'm not like filming somewhere and we're just like,
let's say we're popping away for the weekend somewhere, I
don't want to bring twelve bags. Like there's certain trips
that you go on it's an anniversary trip, or you're
traveling with another couple and you want to be epic, right,
so you bring all the shoes, all.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
The bags, all the things. Costume changes constantly.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
And there's other trips where you want to bring as
little as possible and maybe just even you know, not
check luggage. So what I do, and this is why
I really love your fun colors, is I will have
my toe bag. I take it on the plane on
my wheelie and then I.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Use it as my beach bag.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, absolutely, you can do that.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
I would use it not as my beach bag, but
because I don't get a beaches, I would use it
as my running around like sample bag. Like it's yeah,
if you're in the light back, if I have to
schlep something like jewelry or whatever to make.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Or a fact, that's my bag. But then where's my purse?
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Like two days later, if I want to go to
a gallery or if.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
I want to lay you have the little bag.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I have the little bag.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
That's great. How much is that bag?
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Okay, don't quote me. I think it's two twenty five.
I'm so bad.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
I'm so I'm gonna tell you that's an amazing price
to get a bag like that from a designer, like
a fend It.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
It's three thousand dollars or more.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yes, now this is not Fendy, it's made in China,
it's pu it's not leather.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
It's okay, even better than when you can wipe it
off well you know, and that's the thing, like you
can go into the airport bathroom and put it down
on the floor.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
No, nook it.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
I know you can hook it. But if something gets
on it.
Speaker 4 (56:50):
It's look when you're I'm sorry, when you're on a plane, okay,
and you're schmushing that thing underneath.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
See you're not cleaning.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Underneath the person seats in front of you. Who knows
how long it's been.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Now you can clean the bottom, so you know hard
and fact rule for me is never put your purse
on the floor because they say that's when the money
runs out.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
But the only exception to that is seat in front
of you.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
Okay, so now I know begin don't on the floor.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
But I think those are gorgeous. I'm so happy for you.
Thank you for my Merleau new bag.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I'm going to take it on my trip that I'm
going on this weekend.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
I love it and I I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I'm kind of obsessed with that yellow.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
I know the saffron's gorgeous saffrons. Thank you. One of
my green dresses.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
This dress is a T shirt material, so that's another
thing you need for traveler.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yes, and also I always wear a dress when I travel.
I like stretchy, long dresses because it's just the easiest
way to travel.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
You're cozy, you're covered.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
Doesn't take space. You don't have to.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
You don't have to worry about increasing too badly. You
know a little steam in the hotel and you're good
to go. Yet me too, all right?
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Tell people how to find you on social.
Speaker 4 (58:13):
On social, you can find me on Carla dot rock More.
I have no idea why there's a dot there on Insta,
so Carla dot Rockmore. On TikTok, it's just Carla Rockmore,
and everywhere else it's just.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
If you watch YouTube, it's Carla Rockmore. If you watch Facebook,
it's Carla Rockmore. I'm even on X and Carla is
with a C.
Speaker 4 (58:37):
And then if you want are interested in looking at merchandise,
that Carla Rockmore collection is at Carla Rockmore dot com.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
All right, I love you so much, thank you for
being here.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Love you too, honey. I'm me Cam
Let's job with Heather debros starts now.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
She's a fashion designer, a social media sensation, a woman
with like literally the world's greatest closet, and my friend.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Please welcome Carla Rockmore. Hello, honemy, Hi, how are you?
It's good?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm good. It's been a while.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I know, well out again, but I haven't seen you.
Are you back in LA soon?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
You know? I really need to. I really need to
get to La. But there.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's literally been back to back lately, mostly New York.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So are you a fashion week?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I was not. I skipped.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
This is my second time I've skipped it. Yes, I
don't you know what. I had to shoot my spring line.
It always falls in the in the wrong spot for me.
I mean too, I know you know, and.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I do have to start making an efferent But you
know I love that good.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm not. I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I don't love getting up at five in the morning
for hair and makeup.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know it's hard.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Wearing a spring look in minus twenty. Don't love it?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I know, you know it's funny. Well, first of all,
I just got back from Paris.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I was telling you last night, and I and Paris
Fashion Week is just beginning. So I was there for
one day, but I looked at all the shows and
it was nothing that you know, I was like dying
to go to and I was with my daughter Max,
and so I went to go visitor.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
For basically two and a half days I was in Paris.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But you know what, Yeah, the the I like, the
like the spirit of fashion week, like everyone the street
fashion and the way everyone walks around.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's so great.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, it gives you, It feeds you, It gives
you energy and you don't need to sleep so good.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
But then you get home, okay, after all that adrenaline.
It's an adrenaline rush because there's so much stimulation, and
then I think you crash.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, and it's a little like maybe post showed depression,
you know, because you're like excited and you plan everything.
I do find it, I mean for me, because I'm
not you and I'm not a fashionista. Sometimes I find
it a little overwhelming to you know, even like red
carpet things.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And I've gotten better over the last few years.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I think you and I've talked about this, but I
had a stylist for years and I haven't had one
in the last couple of years, and I'm sort of
enjoying it, like I don't really care if people don't
like it, and you know, I'm kind of, you know,
I don't know, experiments your own.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
You're listening to your gut and you're listening to your
own style, and isn't that better than listening to somebody
else the end of the yay?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And it's just like home design. I mean, my feelings
are always the same. Keep the background neutrals, so you
could sell your house eventually, but you know, do fun
things with your accessories and your pillows.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
So it's you know, it's the clothing is the canvas,
and the accessories are the color, the paintbrush, you.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Know, all the all.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
The acoust It's crazy though, I wanted to say so Max,
as you know Max historically, you know, has had anxiety,
and you know, we were worried years ago would she
even go to college. And she's been you know, Boston, thriving,
and now she's in Paris, and I have to tell you,
so we dropped her off as I haven't seen her
in like seven weeks something like that, six weeks, and
(03:37):
so to go back.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I went alone, and it was great.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, I know, you get to do it this
with Ivy, this like having that mother daughter alone time.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
It's amazing, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Isn't it the best?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
It really is. And just watching her like handle things.
She's on the metro. She she was so funny. She's like, mom,
should we take the metro? I said, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I'm so happy for you that you do those things,
but that is not your mother.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The metro is.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Actually the best, like one of the best things in
Paris is not for me now. I think it's because
I grew up in Quebec and we have a metro.
Like it's not even a subway, it's the metro.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Right, it's better clean.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Oh it's very clean.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, I loves it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And she's living where their dorms are is in Evely,
so it's outside of Paris, so they have to take
the metro. But she's doing so great and it was
so fun and we you know, we packed a lot
into two and a half days.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I have to tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I mean I met her, I met her new friends,
took them out for dinner, did a whole gig's dancing
on the table, vibe, fun, and then we took a
class to make croissants and pano chocolette. Yes, that was great.
And we did a lot of retail therapy. And then
one night we did the most fabulous thing. We had
(05:04):
ninety minute massages. Oh we ordered room service. Yes, we
watched a movie we didn't love.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
You know, every vacation I go on with my husband
the last night, like the night that we're packing, that's
what we do. That is all day, yes, because you're
running around the rest of the trip and that's our
day to like stay in the hotel, be in a bathrobe,
(05:34):
have a service or two. You know, order room service.
The best way to end a trip.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That's so smart because then you are headed home in
the right mindset.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Right right, and like you don't have to think about
the last day, like what am I gonna wear the
last day?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know, it's it's just it's easy. It's an easy
way to.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I I love it, Terry. It's room service.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh really, mm hmm, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
First of all, it does not like eating in bed
and roll a table in.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I know he doesn't really like it.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Okay, look, my husband won't go on a boat, so
there you go.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So Terry has never wanted to.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Go on a boat, and like when I was young,
you know, my parents took us on cruises and we
did all that stuff, but it's never really floated my
boat fun, but it's never really been like something I'm
dying to do. And then friends of ours proposed to
this trip that we are going on, and so we've
chartered a yacht with friends and we're going to Croatia.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Mmmm, you're gonna love it. I hear, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I hear it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And I made sure the boat has stabilizers and it's
going to be grits. It's nice sized yacht. And what
I feel so weird saying yacht. It sounds so like
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That's what it is at the end of the day.
And I don't think like Croatia. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
I mean, I'm terrible in geography, but I don't think
you're on open water ocean.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
You're gonna be in more of these little lakes.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Right, it seems calmer.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And so we're going from split to Dubrovnik and I'll
pose something. But if anyone has been there and has
great recommendations, love.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
To hear that, But yeah, I think that's what we're
gonna do.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I think we're gonna go to Montenegro for a couple
of days, and then we're gonna go to Split and
then take sail from Split to Dubrevnick and then we
have to stop in New York for something and then
I'm so excited. But Terry was never a boat person,
and so for him to say yes to the boat
I found shucking.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Now is he not a boat person because he gets nauseous,
right exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So that's the same way with Michael. He gets seasick.
But Terry will not get seasick there because it's.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Not You're not on open water. Right, it should be fine,
it should be fine. I think it's such a great idea.
You know, we were thinking about that ourselves as Ivy
is doing a summer program in Berlin.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
How great? What does she study?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Wait? What year is she?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
She is a sophomore, right, she's a great young the
twins right.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Okay, Yes, she's a sophomore.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And she transferred from the Claremont Colleges to Brown, so
she didn't want to take a full semester off because
she's loving the school so much. That, she says, I
don't want to miss anything. I mean, that's the best
thing you can hear from your kid. Yeah, okay, fine,
but you need to explore the world.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Take a summer program. So she's doing.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
It's a East West Berlin six week kind of understanding.
You know what happened and how the two are you
know at how the two have sort of integrated.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And I hear it's I've never been to Berlin. Okay,
supposed to be unbelievable what.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I have, Chill, what an experience.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, so I think we're going to drop her off.
I don't know who we are.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think that, Yeah, definitely go drop her off.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I'll tell you, with all, she'd done any studying abroad yet.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Let me think she went when she was twelve to Colombia.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
On her own with a little group to do.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Cs CISV, which is an unbelievable I think I told
you about CISV, that sort of youth peace organization. Yeah, right,
but no, I don't think she hasn't been abroad on
her own as an adult.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, Well, this is what I've done with my kids,
because like Nikki, when he was younger, the school took
them on a little European tour when they were in
eighth grade. Kind of same vibe as what I've did,
but we didn't go.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Obviously the school took them.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
But when NICKI went abroad and when Max and listen,
you don't have to take them, but if you can,
I will tell you it was such a fun experience,
especially at this age, our kids, at this age, I
took them. I took Nick in the fall, I took
Max in January, stayed a couple of days, got them
acclimated to the time, so that and like you know,
(10:16):
walked am around, especially like these are the bank machines
you're supposed to use, and yes, they can figure it
out on their own. I didn't like show them everything.
But you know something, I'm totally with you.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I know one hundred Michael's going to take me.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You should go.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And then I'm dropping a QBC dropped like right there,
so I can't.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
But she, but she's gonna go with him.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
He's only going to be there for three four days
with her letter get climatized as that, running around, make
sure she has everything she needs for the dorm.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right because it's crazy, like when we did the dorm
thing in Paris. I mean, they don't have the same
kinds of stores that we have. They did have Ikea
kill me following the arrows around the thing. I mean
like you get but yeah, to go to the get
the extension court. I will say one of the things
(11:09):
I did with Max Nikki handled himself because we had
to drop him off in Milan and he was studying
in Florence and they did orientation in Milan.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
He set himself up. He was fine. I didn't buy
him anything and he was totally fine. Max.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I was like, all right, I packed command strips, I
packed sticky hooks, things that I did.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Not want to have to source there. I highly recommend that.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
She's only going to be there six weeks.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It's not it doesn't matter you want a hook to
put your bathrobe on. Six weeks it's annoying to have
your wet bathrobe on the floor, your towel.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
And you know what, now that I think about it,
I lied, she's going in a week to Paris, maybe
two weeks over spring break. She's going to Paris for
a week to be with friends, so she'll have her
first Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But you know what, I'm worried about what. I'm worried
about her coming.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Back because she's gonna love it so much.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
No, no, no, she wants to come back. I'm worried
about her freaking passport.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Is your passport not changed?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
No, it's not changed. We didn't change it in time.
So I'm now she's fine. She's already had an experience,
she had Global Entry.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
She does.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Oh, she'll be fine. You by the way, global Entry.
Now have you done it recently?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah? I haven't been her recently, like in the past
two months.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
No, no, like six months year al right.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So yes, in LA we have this thing called private suite,
so you can avoid the regular part of the airport,
and it's like it's like a bougie with her own
TSA and everything. So that's that's easy. But the last
time I came through somewhere and I had to go
to TSA, I think, oh it was we went to
London on the show last year, and so we came
(12:59):
back and we had to go through TSA and.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It was just your eyes, you don't talk to anyone.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Yes, yeah, I just had that. I went to see
Oh that's right, it's nothing, Oh so good. So yeah,
I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think she'll be I think she'll be just fine,
because she wasn't just fine at the American Airlines lounge.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I gotta tell you this woman, I mean, she gave
her driver's license, she was only going back to school,
and you know.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She absolutely looks like a girl, and she is a girl,
for God's sakes. But anyway, and.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
She have an M on her driver's license.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
And and her her birth name right, So she's like,
you ain't that this person? And she's like, well, actually
I am. And it was a bit of a you know,
back and forth. She called Michael crying. Michael kind of
smoothed it over and then she was okay.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
But I couldn't believe it, Like I couldn't believe this
person was so interested in obviously making her feel hutiliated.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yes, I mean she's a young girl. You could see,
she's a tiny little like what are you picking on
people for?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Are you worried about sending her to Germany.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Or you going to bring her back? Absolutely not there.
Oh my god, it's both.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Germany is the.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Most creative and accepting place country. Well, Berlin, I don't
know about the rest of it. Berlin is like you
could be pink with purple polka dots and nobody looks
at you.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's just very, very accepting.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I love that. Okay, So this is a great place
for her to go.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
This is a great place.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Well, it's a great place for her to go, it's
not such a great place for mammy to think of
her going because the night life is insanity, really insanity.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yes, it's good for her, she'll have so much fun.
That's what you're supposed to do in college. Stop worrying.
And you've taught her all the smart things. Cover your drink,
don't take anything that's not open, all the things.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I know, but just you know, you know what
it's honestly to tell you the truth.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That's her transness that freaks me out about her going out.
She knows to stay with friends, but can you imagine
an inebriated college guy Okay, now, right, and he likes her,
and he's dancing with her and they're having fun, and
then she has to disclose. Obviously, she knows from the
(15:44):
minute she says hello to sort of explain that, yeah,
so that he doesn't find her in the face and
take her teeth out because he's drunk and his own
male ego was bruised.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Right. Yeah, so there. It makes me so sad.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's like, you can't even like have a conversation and
get to know someone.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I know, well it is, you know, you know, we
all it's hard.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
But she's willing to accept that those bits for living
her authentic self, right, And you know, I give her.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Props for that. I don't know. I don't know if
I was strong enough to do something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I feel the same way, like, I mean, listen, I yeah,
I mean the insecurities that I had about my body
that so many of us have. I mean, I think
she's so brave and I love seeing her thrive.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I love when you guys do videos together. I'm so happy.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I've been thinking about those videos since she left, because
you know, she's not here to play in the closet
with me regularly.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, and I miss it. I really miss too.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I miss being able to like pass on little tips
and tricks that I didn't think, you know, any of
my kids would be interested in when they were young,
And all of a sudden, there's this camaraderie between the
two of us. What's also interesting is I find that.
(17:17):
You know, as women in general, doesn't matter if your
transor cists. We come with issues based on what the
world tells us. We have to in order to feel
good about ourselves.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
At such a young age.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
When I was twenty, if I didn't feel I looked
good if I was going to a party, I would
have so much anxiety.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Me too, right, I.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Had to be perfect.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
I had to have the same dress that all the
other girls had.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
I had to have like you know, yeah, Hi, what
are we wearing tonight?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We're all we're all wearing black top and jeans and
those boots.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Okay, good, So.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
She has the same thing.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
She's doing the same thing, And it's so funny to
see that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It just it carries over.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
It doesn't matter what you are, you know, it doesn't
matter if your cis or trance, if.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
You are a female. It's funny, but it's also not great.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
The society puts it on us to fit in with
the crowd and look the same way.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I mean one hundred percent, and you know, social media
and filters and all the things, it just makes it
so much worse. You know, I've seen people posting recently
like here's my cellulite or here's my acne scarring, or
here's my this, or here's my dad, and it's like,
my gosh, can you imagine having been that confident to
be like, I don't care. There it is at twenty
(18:41):
thirty forty.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I'm just thankful there were no video cameras then.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh god, I'm glad I'm at the age where the
cellulites are now acceptable.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, forget it. I'm not even I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's too much. I'm all right.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
So I have some other questions. But first of all,
I literally just got home from Paris last night. I
had to be places and do things and whatever. So
I just started opening packages and just got.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
This insane bag from you, Carla.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
In the color, I know, the Pantone color is Mochomo's,
but this ox blood color is.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The best color right now.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's the ox blooded.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
This one's called mayr low, but ox blood, mayrre low whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But it's kind of like in that family.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's in that family.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Yes, it's so it's very And what's amazing about that
one being the mini is that you can do it
cross body. You can wear it as a shoulder bag.
You can literally like do it small enough that it's.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
A little clutch. It does a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And that color is summer and winter. It's one of
my favorite. Do you know what my favorite color combination
is with that color, that deep deep wine color, My.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Favorite, like my mouth is watering.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Okay, let me hear it, mado red.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh yeah, that's very you I can see that. Yes,
it takes a lot of hoodsbu to be able to
pull the vault. Yeah, I mean for like, I think
for me, and I would say for many people, color
is scary, and I want to I have some very
specific color questions.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Ru.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I like black, you know that, Like.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I wear a lot of black. I do pops of
color every once in a while, I will wear something
not black. It was like, oh, you should wear more
color a little bit. And I think it's partially because
I really just I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I like black.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
That's like how I grew up, That's how I feel
my prettiest, and so I lean into it because.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I love it as you should.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, However, I think a lot of people wear black
because it's easier. So by default, you know, if you're
wearing all black, it all goes together.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Well, it's actually harder though, but.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
To see if the black's man that too.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, but see, you can wear black forever because of
your skin tone. Okay, but there are many, many colorations
between hair and skin tone that should not be wearing black.
At a certain age, when we start losing our natural glow,
you know, not the one that comes in a bottle
(21:24):
like everybody's. Everybody's doing so much glow lately, we're all
starting to look like the tin man. But yeah, but
there are many many people who cannot carry off black.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It drains the.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Color out, oh, I see, at a certain point, so
you've got to consider the darkest of navies. It is
so complimentary on those people who have a hard time
carrying off black as they age.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
That's it, that's it. You can wear any color or
that you freaking want. Aware.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
If it's draining, you throw on a little blush.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Blush, blush.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
That's what our mother has taught us. Add some blush.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Always and I'll always.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
It's funny because there's this trend on social now where people,
the younger kids, yeah, are saying, you know, they see
people on the street and they're blush blind, like they're
adding too much blush.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Oh I see, yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
A lot of blush.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So what I want them to do is zip it
and talk to me about blush blind when you're in
your forties and fifties, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
We need the blush. And then when you walk inside
and the lighting is different, it all looks good.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's very difficult, all right, but you hear a cream blush,
a cream blush, A good cream blush. Try, Yes, I
don't know, can't do it. There's like a bunch of
questions mix in this. But I was watching the Oscars
and the Vanity Fair party in.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
The whole thing.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Okay, So what I noticed is, first of all, there
was a ton of white.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
A lot of white, A lot of bridle. Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Ye are, so I believe in wearing white year round.
I'm totally fine with that. But they're really like, when
does a dress like it looked a lot of like
bridal to me?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Well, yes, there were some of them that were more
bridal esque. I think the ones that the ones that
I really appreciated were the ones where a little bit
of metallic was infused in the white yea, and a
little bit of nude.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Almost excited me more than the white, right.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
And I really loved when it's clean, animalist, stark white.
That's where it doesn't look like it's a wedding dress
as soon as you start putting on lace, father holes
and little ruffles, especially all together. I mean, if you're
(24:15):
going to do lace, ruffle and pearls, somebody needs to
throw you a bouquet.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, okay, so I noticed that. So there was the white.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
But then what's her name, Kim Kardashian star at the shows? Okay,
wearing it was the.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Most stunning white dress.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
It had a big, blass black sash of a bow,
but it was off the shoulder. It was just a
full little princess bodice top and then the skirt was
huge like Cinderella. But the fabric, and that's a wedding silhouette, right, white, right,
But because she had that black sash, and because there
(25:00):
wasn't a bead on it and it was crinkle fabric
like paper cool, it looked like she was wearing paper.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, it was fabulous.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh I love it to play.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
With it that way.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Okay, So that was the first thing. The second thing was.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
And this surprised me because this felt I think I'm
gonna call it eighties, but it could be nineties.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Was There is a lot of red and black together.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's a problem, it's a problem.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Did you not notice that?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Like Brian Howie, who I adore, she's fabulous, she was
wearing a red and black dress. Coleman Domingo, also a friend,
love him, he was wearing red and black. I can't
remember if he was wearing Gucci or I don't know.
And I think McQueen is showing a lot of and
always does show a lot of red and black together.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And so yeah, first, what's the problem with that?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I just don't like it. I think that I think
the contrast is too stark. It's too stark a contrast.
I like black black as a shade. Okay, it's not
a color. So the best, the most, the easiest, and
the chickest way to wear black is with white gray
(26:13):
of sorts. And then you get into the neutral colors
like navy, chocolate, brown, camel, dark olive, things that aren't
as contrasty as a red. You know, mind you, I
do love a good neon yellow and black, but that's
because I'm an eighties girl.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You know there's like that too.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Yeah, I'm actually having a battle over red and black
right now because I bought a pair of shoes that
I just adore. They're red, okay, And I didn't know
that people in the United States, being a Canadian, have
an issue with white blue, red, white and blue because.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I have a lot of navy, right, No, but you go, oh, right,
because that's something you'd wear on Memorial Day or July fourth,
or I'll.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Have this gorgeous pair of red shoes. They're like and heel.
The entire thing are red feathers. It looks like I'm
wearing high heel slippers. Okay, love it, Love it. Except
I have a lot of navy dresses and poofy things
and black, right those two, And I put it with black,
(27:18):
and I immediately grow a hive. And I put it
with navy, and somebody's looking at me, like, are you
you're going to singing seeing the spar the stars.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Star spangled banner.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I'm screwed because I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Wait the you know what, I like that with though,
I like that with like an army green.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
That's that's good. That's very very good.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yes, like the red I think is yes, yes, khaki.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, but let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I'm asking this sort of selfishly because I have this
little red dress.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's so simple, but it's just cute. It's like this,
I like the just picture like a sheet.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
It's a sheet, a mini sheeth.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
No, but it's like straps, but thicker straps, straight across,
tight to away, little bells. Bert It's got this rose
on the front of it. It's super simple and the
straps are like interesting, They're like larger narrow. It's just
so pretty. But it's short and old lady knees. Yes,
you do not want to be naked in this dress?
Speaker 1 (28:25):
And so what does it want?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Or even if it's nighttime, what if you were wearing
it out, like if you want to wear I want
to wear hoes or something, what would you do with that?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Okay, So that's a question and a half.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
What do you do with red?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Because after seeing the oscars, I thought, huh, can you
wear black hose and black shoes with that? Because like
Brian's dress was red with like let's.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Just call it black piping.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But it wasn't piping, you know, it was like you
know the tapes accoutrement, and then Coleman's suit was like
a red suit with black lapels and things, and again
it brought me back to like, I think, the eighties.
And then I was like, is that like a tux rental?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
That looks like is that cheek? I can't tell?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And then I have this red dress and I'm like,
do I do it with black and black?
Speaker 3 (29:12):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So I hate that.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Here's the difference between what was shown at the Oscars
and wearing a black sheer tight sheer not shear. So
if you're doing a very sheer tight, you are diffusing
the black, so it's not as stark a difference as
the red and the black suit or the red and
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the black dress. When you have the same fabrication in
a you know, a fire engine red and a black
those are both opaque, strong colors, so they're fighting each other.
Whereas if you do a shear right in a black pose,
it's softer and so because you can't do nude, No,
(29:56):
you can't do a nude hose right. You don't want
to do navy or else you'll be in the position
I am in, right, So it's got to be black.
But it's got to be sheer, and then you can
do a black shoe because you've now continued the line
and you're dropping yourself up right, So you're cool with that.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I'm cool with that as long as it's sheer.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
I'm not cool with opaque because then I want to
sing derandurant exactly this.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
I was like, I don't know what to do with this,
but I want to. Okay, so I'm gonna do that right.
And then last trend, which I know you're gonna hate,
and so I'm just throwing it out there. I mean,
we're so naked now that literally okay. I mean I
can't even get into Kanye's soon to be ex wife
with the vagina out.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just the x ys is this new?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I think they're splitting up. I thought I read that.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
What a shocker.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I know, but I mean, but I mean putting the
vagina away for a second, because I think we can
just all agree like that. That was just a stunt.
I don't know why why we need to see it.
But every dress on everyone. There was Zoe Kravitz, who
I adore and I think she's stunning, but did.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You see her dress?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Her dress was like half sheer halfway down so you
could see like half the butt crack.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And I don't know, Like I'm not telling you I
was offended by it.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Like her body looked amazing, But I mean, there's nipples here,
there's vagina's there, there's and I'm not a prude at all,
but I guess I'm old school when it comes to that.
The teasing of the body parts I find so much sexier.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Right, Absolutely, this is why I transition to a one piece.
I gotta tell you, the one piece is so sexy.
Maybe on me, I find it more chic and more
like it's lifting everything up rather than me having this
suck everything in right, And it's just it leaves something
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to the imagination. You know who did a very good
sheer esque dress rec was Alah. They did a white
and a black. I'm drooling over it. It's a it's
a bandit not a bandage, but it's a tight like
little dress like jersey.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Of sorts to the floor. So it's tight, ye, but
the jersey covered the boops.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
And you had this sheer stripe that sort of weaved
down the body from the from.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The cleavage to the right hip.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You had a bit of skin where your panty line
should be, but then the shear went all the way
down the leg where a slit would be.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
That's how you do shear.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Because you're using it in a way that that compliments
a woman's body because we have lines.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You know, there are lines to our shape.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
So if you're not careful as to where you place
the shear, you're gonna it's it's discon it's going to
cut you up.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I was trying undresses for an event for recently. I mean,
I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
But I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I hate to sound like such a prude.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
We have to come to terms with the fact that
we are from a different era at.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
This and we come with our.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Baggage in the sense that my grandmother would never have
worn light.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
After Labor Day. I don't twice about it.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
But I do, and I do like some of the year,
like I mean, I think retrofat. Also, I wore like
like sort of a sheer thing to the reunion last
year that was chocolate brown. And I know my favorite
sheer piece I have is I have two really good
sheer pieces.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
One is a sheer to see a unit by Max Mehrat,
but it has a lining and then let me see,
we keep.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Going on and it's sheer.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
It's like to the knee trench coat with a belt,
but that's completely sheer. Oh I love that, right, But
you shake a pant, Yeah, you were with the pant
and it's just and it's timeless.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
This is the front of it. I'm wearing a bra.
But whatever else you see that's not sheer is built
into the dress.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's all black to me, text it to me. It
might be the alloy, no, but the allia didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You got to see the back though, because that's you know.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Oh yeah, Well, first of all, I'm sorry. If I
had your turlus, i'd be wearing.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Your dress too.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm going to text these two so you could see
the dress.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
You could have done that with a boy shorts, but
it wouldn't have looked as good.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
But you know, it's it's got like just let me
built in. It's built in. I'll explain it.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So it's like a sheer, black, long sleeve long dress.
It has nothing up top built in, but it's got
almost like in the front it looks like a strong
and in the back it looks like a thong.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I just texted it to you so you could see it.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
It's a gorgeous dress, and I put it on, but
then I went, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I just you know, I just don't. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Well, the problem is you wouldn't be enjoying the night
because the only thing you'd be thinking about is you ask. Hey,
it's the only thing you'd be thinking about.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
I know, right, and when he needs to think about.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
That all night long, like, enjoy the night, have a drink,
not as my not as my butt sticking out the
back and our people staring at me.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I know.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And then I don't know if you saw this on
my Instagram, but I was at this charity event and
I wore this legant's number.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yes, yes, that they set me.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
And I love Leason's and it's to me, this is
like this is a good sheer. Yes, so what it's
like pants that are lace but it has a boy
short built in underneath it.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
And then there was a.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Lace bralette top, and then the blazer has lace sleeves.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
But I would ever take the jacket off.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And I'll tell you something, I have real boobs, right,
And this lace little bralette had no cup, no nothing,
and I put the little old lady boobs in there.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'm like, that's so not good. And then I took
out my.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Sticky boobs and my sticky boobs are sticky on both sides, right,
so it sticks to your boob and the other side
sticks to your garment. But it was lace, so like
you could touch. If you touch my boob, it would
be sticky on the outside too.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It was so ridiculous. Yeah, and I ran into dreet
Kevsley there and I was like, my boob is sticky.
I don't even know what to do. I probably didn't
do that right.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
And you know what it was.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
It was probably uncomfortable when you sat down because it
was pulling like the sticky.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
It really did.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I think it was fine once I got it all
hunyak together right, it was all right. It was so
dumb though, so crazy, all these little contraptions we have
to do to put a dress on.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
What do you see as trends for spring? Like what
should we be doing?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Well, you know, it's funny because they have been talking
about quiet luxury dying already because it's been.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
So didn't it just start?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Do they just mean wearing bows or do they mean what?
Speaker 4 (37:17):
No? Quiet luxury is very simple, timeless bodies, styles in
very clean colors with hardly any trim. So a white
blouse this is very me with a camel pleader pant
(37:40):
and a black trench coat, something that you will have
forever and always has been, you know. I mean there's
certain designers like Kate, like the Row, like who else.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Oh, there's so.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Many that Prada has been doing a lot of that Prada.
But Prada has this I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Between Simons and Muci, I mean mucha forget it like
she's a genius. She even when she does that, she
pushes the envelope right, you know, Like this collection she
came out with at the shows this past fashion week,
(38:19):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like every piece was uglier than the next.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
And it was, but it was it was so gorgeous
because of that, Like the dresses looked matronly, the hair
was all for clemped, it was all like she just
got out of bed.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
And the makeup wasn't done, but it was.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
It was speaking to all this overdoneness and all this
sexy that we do, and it was.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
So timely and perfect because.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Of that, and also what's walking the runway isn't what
they're selling.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, well, like maybe an iteration of it.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, with Prada, is is with certain designers. Prada, it's
pretty on the nose. Are dim it's pretty on the nose,
you know. Scaparelli not so much. I mean, Ariana Grande
looked so stunning at the Oscars in that Scaparelli. It
(39:22):
was breath taking on both of them, Yes, both of them.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
She turned around and had that shoe on her back.
I was like dead, It's perfect.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
That shoe was all over the shows and different iterations
and combinations.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
I just wonder how you sit.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
To dinner like you know, I guess you do not.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
It's like that old I Love Lucy episode where she
had to go standing in the car and they had
to put the top down and then she had to
stand for dinner all.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Night, right.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Right, That's been me a couple of times, for sure.
For sure.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I always worried the shoe might take somebody's eye out, somebody's.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Do you ever purge your closet?
Speaker 4 (40:07):
I have to do it, Yes I do, And I
have to do one like imminently.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I really do have to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
What do you do with your stuff?
Speaker 4 (40:15):
I mean, I used to give and sell, and I
used to do that, but now my daughter, it's like
every piece, even if it's crappy, she wants the crappy
more than she wants the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
She's so nate, right, So she wants like my old
Zara T shirts. I'm like, are you sure we can
get you a new one?
Speaker 1 (40:37):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:37):
No, she likes the one that has the ketchup stain
on it. So everything goes up stairs because there's no
basements here.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Everything goes upstairs on rolling racks and it sits, and
it's gonna wait until she grows into them.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I keep a certain amount of vintage. I mean it's vintage.
She will take things of mine. She took is Chanelle
sweater of mine to Paris with her and she's like.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Oh, I love vintage goes.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
I'm like, that's rude, right, right right. But it's hard
because what what would you tell people to do with
their clothes? I mean not everyone has a closet like yours.
And you know, certainly we when we moved out of
our house and we're in an apartment now, like I
don't have the space that I used to.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Problem when we move out.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
I'm gonna look, I'm only fortunate enough to have this
closet because we moved down to Texas and there's a
lot of land, so they build the houses a little bigger, right.
I was running around my other home in Toronto with
the four little closets we had, naked from place to
place with my las was streaming.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Put down the fucking wines.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
You know. It was like one of those.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
But I think that you have to call regularly and
keep what you think still speaks to you. But maybe
you don't feel like wearing it this season, but it's
still something that you can see yourself wearing later.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
You know. Is I have this full?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
It's a full, it's a blouse and palazzo pants and
it's in a pink and purple Paisley.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Okay, that's the time.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
At the time, I thought it was like that cats
me out.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
It was sensational. I would do it with a few
shell lip I wore it once I had the moment, right,
and now it's going upstairs on the recks because I
just don't.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Feel you're gonna wear it again.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Yeah no, But I also have a lot of design
work that I do, so I keep this stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Prince is excellent. I may recolor it.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
In another in another sort of you know, maybe it's
going to be a navy blue, emerald green.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Who knows what it's going to be, But the print
is good.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, So you keep these things for inspiration.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I heard that.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Iris Appfell had so much clothes at the end.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Well, first of all, she had her.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Apartment in New York, right, you had her mother's apartment
in New York. Her mother had passed, but she kept
the apartment which was just filled with rex. The whole
apartment just filled with res And she had a storage facility.
I think at the end of the day, I'm going
to have a little storage facility, which kind of pisses
me off because if it's all the way in the
storage facility.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
Are you ever going to use it? But you know,
I took Kim Kardashian wants to have. She's got a
storage facility facility, and everything is archived photos of everything.
You know, it's all digital and so you know, you
could just scroll through it and you know, see what
your idea.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
She's Kim Kardashian, So why not, Right, I'm not going
there because I have some great vintage, and I have
some great but it's not like that, right.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You know, it's like I wear it. I sometimes I
put things away for a couple of years. I bring
them back out. Things like exactly what you're saying that
speak to me. I keep Sometimes you know, one of
the girls take something. Maybe you know, some of them
will have kids and they'll have you know, they'll hopefully
there's a girl in there and they'll want, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Some of my stuff. So I just keep that stuff.
But you know, but.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Where do you give it away? Because like the consignment stores,
I don't even want to name them, but some of
them are very annoying. They don't give you much money
for things. Sometimes they don't price them well.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
So where do you do that?
Speaker 3 (44:44):
Right? So I'm going to I'm going to plug here
right now. They're going to be all exted.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
There's a group of girls in North Carolina and they
I like.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
I like to work with a small group rather than
a big I do like fashion.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
I do like that file. I think that Fashion file
is more ethical, let's say, than some of the others.
I'm ready, and they stick to their prices. There's none
of that. Oh, here's another twenty percent because it's a
you know, Saturday like, there's.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
None of that. But these two girls they will prey.
It's three girls. It's called the edit sale. Now here's
the thing.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
They're very small, so they do the Dallas Market and they.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Do North Carolina at this point, okay, but but that's
where they sell. It doesn't mean that they won't take
your stuff right and sell it. They have a huge
event twice a year, like in a big warehouse.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Everybody knows about it. Wow, and they do very well.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
They have only been doing it a few years.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Do you buy well, you buy vintage? Do you buy resale?
Is that the same thing?
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Absolutely no, it's not the same thing. But without question,
I love a good consignment store.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
How do you feel about? Are talking about the luxury?
So I was just in Paris. I did come home
with a lovely orange box.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Oh yes, I'll.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Have to show you a photo of that. You're gonna
love this color.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
But I have well, I have a thing two things.
Number One, I hate knockoffs. I hate them with every
fiber of my being. If I can't afford something, I
don't buy it.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
Good for you, and I just it drives me insane
because to me.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's copyright infringement, that is someone's proprietary design, and I
can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I hate walking.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Down the street in New York and seeing a six
foot table full of Van Cleef bracelet knockoffs, like it
just drives me crazy. And there's so many beautiful designers
out there at different price points that are.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Doing amazing, cool different things.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Right, So I hate knockoffs, and I have a thing
about energy, so.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I'm not I don't like, I don't want to carry
someone else's bag.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Oh I see, I see.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
I don't have that, no, and I think so Look,
my daughter Max were very different and she's so funny,
I mean, but we always laugh, Like I like think
shiny and new, and it has to be as old
as possible for her.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
She loves antiques, she loves vintage.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
She wants things to be old and crusty and you know,
the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
And so she's.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
More like my mom is like that.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
So she's more like my mom, and I love it
for her and it's amazing, but it's not me. I
don't want I don't want to carry someone else's thing.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
But do you think that's because it was your mom maybe, yeah,
Like I feel like there are things that my mother did,
okay and war that I have an aversion to, not
so much war. She always had great style and was
but like I won't keep food past like two days, right, yes,
(48:14):
because like you know, there could be a little animal
growing on it before she threw it out.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
She just she wasn't interested in that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
She was an artist, So I have an aversion to
things that I grew up with. And so because your
mom loved the old antiques, you may you might have been.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
It's almost like a rebellion.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, it perfectly could be. I mean we are so
and my mom too, like your mom also an artist.
And also like if you go in that freezer, you
have to excavate, like I don't even know what you
know from the ice age, what is in there?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Same thing?
Speaker 2 (48:56):
And always beautifully dressed, gorgeous style always and a little
more uncustume, you know, she she dresses a little more flamboyantly.
I'm like, I'm more of the quiet luxury dresser, like
very very different. But yeah, I love it for them.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
So not me, right, Well, that's next.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Even loves vintage jewelry anything vintage.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Love vintage jewelry. I love it.
Speaker 4 (49:22):
But that so it speaks to me, it doesn't speak
to you. That's the beauty. That's the beauty of listening
to our gut. Yes, there's no judgment against you or
me because I like vintage and you don't. You know,
it's just it enhances who we are on the inside,
which is way more important than the piece.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
One hundred But it reminds me of like when my
grandmother gave me one of her air Mez scarves, which
was the first I have a collection of air mes
scarves and it was the first one I ever owned,
and it smelled like her and but also it was
just like the most beautiful thing and it had her
energy to it, you know. So even now, like I'll
be like, oh, I'm taking Grandma on the trip, you know,
(50:03):
because I know, like there's it's like a piece of her.
And so I don't know who owned those other things right,
dry clean them?
Speaker 1 (50:12):
So yeah, we need to see.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
So my take home is sage your vintage, right right, Okay,
tell me before we go, tell me you're giving my
listeners like a fabulous code for a discount.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
What what is going on? What's the new drop.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Where's the whole carlic A Rockmore collection right now?
Speaker 1 (50:34):
Where are we headed? And what's our code?
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Well the code is Rockmore fifteen all capital letters, I believe.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Let me check.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
We'll post it too.
Speaker 4 (50:43):
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It's very exciting for me and for the team. Our
sling bags are doing super duper well.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
They always do because it's the type of bag. This
sling bag the best bag for travel.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
I can't even tell you because you don't need hands.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's it's big enough.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's big. You can put a water bottle in it.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
You can you can put so much stuff, a passport
in it if you have have to.
Speaker 3 (51:18):
There's a detachable wristlet, and there's two straps, and it's
the type of bag that you're not gonna get pick pocketed.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Like it's just not a zipper.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
You can't compete with this bag. But but there's more.
There's more because I need a tote when I work,
me too. I need someplace to put my computer, and
I need.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
Someplace to put my mug, okay, my thermost because I'm
always drinking tea, and so I made.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
A tote bag. Oh my god. Firstly, look at the colors.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Okay, I'm dead. I want that yellow.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah, the saffron, let me show you.
Speaker 4 (52:05):
So it's just mushy, gushy enough for you to be
able to smush it under a ball. Yeah, but it's
just firm enough for it to pop right back.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And I see all the colors, way, pick them up.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
You've got saffron ye chili, which is this beautiful fire.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
It's like an orange red.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right, and I see a long strap allnut.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
Right, the walnut and emerald green because I'm a green girl.
Speaker 3 (52:33):
Right. But here's the best.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
Here's the best.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Okay, inside your tote bag. Because I'm always traveling.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
So I think, what does a woman need when she
has a quick business trip like two days, Right, she
needs a tote bag for her computer and her stuff.
Speaker 3 (52:52):
Which has a luggage slide things.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Oh, this is the best thing.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
So it's got like her toe bag has a piece
of leather on the outside of it so you can
slide it over the handle of your wheelie.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
That is the best.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
And you have a detachable strap, so you wear shoulder strap,
so you wear a crossbody or shoulder bag is a
great bag. Let's say you have a piece or two
of jewelry that you want to carry with you because
you don't want to put it in, you know, anywhere,
or a good sunglasses or something really special.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Inside the bag.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
And by the way, it snaps so you can put
it through security without losing things.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Okay, it's always a problem.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yet it's attached by two snaps, and you can take
it out and you get a second. It's called a
two in one. It's a mini nylon weekend er sling bag.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
So it's a two.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
You get a toe bag.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
And then on the weekend, when you finish your meetings
and you're running around doing a little shopping, you've got
a beautiful little mini right that is so.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Is there what's inside? Let me see the inside the back.
Speaker 3 (54:07):
It's just it's just a nylon pouch.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
It's like the MANI know what's inside the toe? Oh wait, okay,
I want to do what's inside inside?
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Obsessed? Right now?
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Inside you have a zipper compartment for your wallets and
for your pathwork. In front of that, you have two pockets,
one for your phone, one for your.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
Charger or whatever it is. That you need.
Speaker 4 (54:30):
You have a thermost thingy, an elastic thermist thingy.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Or a water bottle holder.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
You have a computer sleeve with a snap so it
stays tight. You have another larger pocket in front of
that so you could put a.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Notepad or a book or whatever, and then you have
a ton of space.
Speaker 1 (54:52):
Because it's so good. It's a perfect tote. I need
one of those.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I you know, I always travel with a toe bag.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
That is my life is. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Because if I'm not like filming somewhere and we're just like,
let's say we're popping away for the weekend somewhere, I
don't want to bring twelve bags. Like there's certain trips
that you go on it's an anniversary trip, or you're
traveling with another couple and you want to be epic, right,
so you bring all the shoes, all.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
The bags, all the things. Costume changes constantly.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
And there's other trips where you want to bring as
little as possible and maybe just even you know, not
check luggage. So what I do, and this is why
I really love your fun colors, is I will have
my toe bag. I take it on the plane on
my wheelie and then I.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Use it as my beach bag.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, absolutely, you can do that.
Speaker 3 (55:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
I would use it not as my beach bag, but
because I don't get a beaches, I would use it
as my running around like sample bag. Like it's yeah,
if you're in the light back, if I have to
schlep something like jewelry or whatever to make.
Speaker 3 (56:00):
Or a fact, that's my bag. But then where's my purse?
Speaker 4 (56:05):
Like two days later, if I want to go to
a gallery or if.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
I want to lay you have the little bag.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
I have the little bag.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
That's great. How much is that bag?
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Okay, don't quote me. I think it's two twenty five.
I'm so bad.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
I'm so I'm gonna tell you that's an amazing price
to get a bag like that from a designer, like
a fend It.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
It's three thousand dollars or more.
Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yes, now this is not Fendy, it's made in China,
it's pu it's not leather.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
It's okay, even better than when you can wipe it
off well you know, and that's the thing, like you
can go into the airport bathroom and put it down
on the floor.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
No, nook it.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
I know you can hook it. But if something gets
on it.
Speaker 4 (56:50):
It's look when you're I'm sorry, when you're on a plane, okay,
and you're schmushing that thing underneath.
Speaker 3 (56:57):
See you're not cleaning.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Underneath the person seats in front of you. Who knows
how long it's been.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Now you can clean the bottom, so you know hard
and fact rule for me is never put your purse
on the floor because they say that's when the money
runs out.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
But the only exception to that is seat in front
of you.
Speaker 3 (57:16):
Okay, so now I know begin don't on the floor.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
But I think those are gorgeous. I'm so happy for you.
Thank you for my Merleau new bag.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
I'm going to take it on my trip that I'm
going on this weekend.
Speaker 3 (57:29):
I love it and I I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I'm kind of obsessed with that yellow.
Speaker 3 (57:35):
I know the saffron's gorgeous saffrons. Thank you. One of
my green dresses.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
This dress is a T shirt material, so that's another
thing you need for traveler.
Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yes, and also I always wear a dress when I travel.
I like stretchy, long dresses because it's just the easiest
way to travel.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
You're cozy, you're covered.
Speaker 3 (58:01):
Doesn't take space. You don't have to.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
You don't have to worry about increasing too badly. You
know a little steam in the hotel and you're good
to go. Yet me too, all right?
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Tell people how to find you on social.
Speaker 4 (58:13):
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I have no idea why there's a dot there on Insta,
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and everywhere else it's just.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
If you watch YouTube, it's Carla Rockmore. If you watch Facebook,
it's Carla Rockmore. I'm even on X and Carla is
with a C.
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that Carla Rockmore collection is at Carla Rockmore dot com.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
All right, I love you so much, thank you for
being here.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Love you too, honey. I'm me Cam
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