Parties and Pregnancies + Croatia Trip Recap w/ Jen Curley

Heather is back! She's joined by good friend Jen Curley to talk baby showers, the lack of RSVPing in recent decades, and the power in party planning. Heather gives us all the details on a very bougie yacht experience in Croatia. They also dive into the realities of pregnancy, hormonal changes, and Jen's ongoing struggle to find the perfect girl's name. Plus, a candid discussion on positive versus negative motherhood content on social media.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's talk with Heather's your brows darts Now?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
I get to hang out with my friend Jack curly day, Yay.
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I am good? I am so good. I'm so glad
that we get to hang for a little bit. I
feel like we're just ships in the night. I know.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
First of all, I'm gutted that I missed your baby shower.
It looked so cute.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm sad too. It was good. But you know, here's
the thing. It's like, let's be honest, it's a baby shower,
you know, so it's a I try to make these
things as fun as possible, like I had, Like, you know,
I try to always have like a drinking game so
people are still you know, like trying like socializing and drinking.

(00:51):
We have like voo Pong, which I feel like you
would have really liked.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I trust me. I saw.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
And so it was it was great. But and I
don't open gifts or do anything like that, but I
feel like I feel like it was. It is still
like I can't drink, so.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It kind of sucks. Yeah, let me ask you this. Wait.
First of all, I just want to tell everyone we're
going to talk about baby showers. We're going to talk
about my trip to Croatia, we are going to talk
about my weird hormonal situation, all those things. But I'm
just curious when it comes to parties. So tell me
if you're like this. I love parties, and I love

(01:31):
to throw parties, and I love to plan them. And
sometimes it's so fun and you just have the best
time or whatever, and other times I feel like, why
do I do this? This is so much money and
it's so much work, and it's so much effort, and
is anyone really enjoying it? Do they feel like they
have to come? And why am I doing this? It's

(01:54):
either like the best time and I want to throw
thirty more parties or I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Same talk about this a little bit on my TikTok.
I was like, I do also feel a little bipolar
about it. But for me, I think right now it's
probably because I'm pregnant and I can't fully participate and
then I'm also hormonal. But I did feel very okay.
I always have to make the disclaimer, right, Like, I'm

(02:19):
very grateful to be able to throw parties, to have
friends that want to come, you know, all the things,
but you're right, it's like there is a line where
there's so much work that goes into it, and I
don't know, I feel like as a host you can
really get down on yourself depending on how the event

(02:41):
goes or how the vibes are going into it.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
It is very interesting because I was also talking about
I kind of got some like pushback on social about
having a baby shower for my not my first baby, right,
like I think the I mean the old, like the
more traditional etiquette rules. Historically you're supposed to just have

(03:05):
a shower for your first, right. And then I think
later on they wrote in that you could have a sprinkle,
even though I feel like that's fucking the same thing.
It's a celebration, tell you the same thing.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
And I also feel like it's okay. Well, first of all,
I think it's always okay to celebrate happy things. Just
let's put that out there. You feel like celebrating, and
it's a good excuse to get your family together or
your friends together. I'm all for all of that. But also,
after two boys, you're having a girl, and so maybe
you don't have a lot of girl things, and it's
kind of an exciting, you know, plot twist and well.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And I was saying that I think the reason why
those rules were originally created is because, like historically, you
put somebody out by having a shower because somebody else
is hosting it, you're asking for gifts. Right, I did
something for both guys and this baby, and I feel
like I so for the second and third, I hosted
it myself, and I specifically said no gifts.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I just feel like, if you're hosting something yourself, you
can you can have as many parties as you want.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
A hundred person that's a very good that's a very point.
If you're putting other people out, like hey throw me
a party, yes, then it's a little bit of a again. Okay,
here we go again. But I agree with you. I
am too much of a control freak to let other
people know. Do you think my.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Friends they're fed up with me. They're like, so will
we ever get to throw apart? Because you know a
lot of times like birthdays, like one of your girlfriends
will organize it. And I feel like for me too,
it's control and it's also it's also what I just said,
I feel like I'm putting somebody out. It's a lot
of work, you.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Know what I mean, it's a lot of money. Everyone's
got busy lives and the intentions are good, but we
know how much time and money and effort it takes
to throw a party for ourselves someone else to do
it for you. But not only that, if I could
just be totally honest, if I am having a birthday
or something, I I like it the way I like
it and as much as I do appreciate and here's

(05:04):
the disclaimer, Like you were saying super grateful that someone
would want to do that or go to the effort,
but I know exactly how I like it and exactly
how it's gonna make me happy, and if it's my event,
just let.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Me handle it. Yeah, yeah and happy yes. And to
piggyback off of that, if you are somebody that you
know what you like and you're assertive, then the dynamic
will be weird. If you have a friend do it,
then what you're gonna be like feeling like you're bossing
them around. Like that's weird. Like I feel like a
good candidate to have your friend throw something for you,

(05:38):
as if you're like super like laid back and you
don't really care. I've never been accused of being chill before.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
No me either. And then here's the other thing. One
of the reasons why I get down on throwing parties
is that people will just cancel. Oh now at the
last minute you have a headcount, and then it's a
couple like you or the couple showers. How many of
the other people didn't come and only one of them came.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
M h. I hate that, and even even ours vps,
like you think that people would be good at it
by now.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
No.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
But and then again, I probably am the worst right
now because I'm all hormonal and I'm all like wanting
to get some time. But I had like a moment
because I had a party planner, and I had a
moment where I was really frustrated because people were not
ours vping on time, and I found myself getting so bothered.

(06:38):
And I don't know, it gets silly, right because and
then I it ruins your whole vibe, like it's really noxious.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I remember when I got married, it was my first
you know, huge party obviously in LA and except for
like little dinner parties or whatever. But my mom was
so irritated by how people did not RSBP in a
timely fashion, and she was like, this doesn't happen in
New York. This must be a Californian thing, and I

(07:11):
wondered if it was. And now I guess I'm throwing
it out to the nation. We might have to do
a poll on this. Gabby, remind me, is this RSBP thing?
Is this a California problem? Or is this everywhere like
in New York. Are you having the same problem for
your Fourth of July party or your bachelorette.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Or your wedding or is it generational or is it
I don't know or I don't know. I could because
I okay. So then the other thing is, during this time,
I had a lot of friends tell me, which a
lot of people will say and use the excuse like, oh,
you know, it's hard. Okay, So that's the thing. I
didn't do it digitally because I wanted to do it

(07:52):
old fashioned. So I did snail mail and I did
RSVP to an email address. And then people were like, oh,
it's because because you did mail and it's not like,
you know, paperless posts or evite No one people can't
just click Yes, it's a little bit more effort so
that's why people didn't do in a time of fashion. Heather,

(08:12):
I'm sorry, what I don't care. I was like, you
could email on your phone, you could receive the invite
and even I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I was like, I don't I could make it and
story texted you. So I didn't formally.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Well, no, no, I mean that, but that's something. There
are definitely a good amount of people that, you know,
it's just they just don't know. If RSVP is like
a thing of the past now, I don't know. I
can't tell, but there are lots of excuses. I personally
have never found it that difficult.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
No me either. I'll tell you what the worst infraction is,
in my opinion, the Barmit's the thing you cannot believe.
So you know, when if you were in a group
that has Jewish kids in it, or live in an
area where your kids goes to school with kids that
are Jewish, it's barmits the season when they're in seventh grade.
And the great thing about it is they have plans

(09:03):
every weekend. Literally there's a party to go to that
is fun and chaperoned and it is a fortune. These
are like mini weddings. Yeah, and you know everyone, you know,
they entertain the children, they entertain the parents. It is
so much money. And I will tell you when Ace

(09:25):
turns thirteen. My kids went to Jewish preschool and stuff,
but they were not foreignments. But I was. My husband wasn't.
It's a longer story whatever, I'll tell you it another time.
But the point is when he turned thirteen, I wanted
to do something fun for him. So it was kind
of like a fox mixa, and so I did this

(09:45):
big party for him and Okay, everyone rspp'd. But here's
the thing that they do everyone, Well, the parents will
RSVP yes, But then the kids, especially where we live,
we're kind of on their own vibe and they uber
places and they handle themselves, and they come and go
as they please. And you spend all this money on

(10:05):
an event and some of them will come for an
hour oh and go.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah and there, and they're kids, so it's hard to
be like, don't you know that that's rude.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, I mean the parents should be involved, but you know,
it's like, look, there's extenuating circumstances. Your kids having a
bad night, someone looked at them, funny, the kids sing
to them. They don't fit in, you know, like all
that kind of stuff that totally makes sense. But I've
seen at an event like this, like a posse of
kids come in hang for an hour and be like, yeah,

(10:40):
it's out, and it's like the amount of money that
was spent on the food and the merch and the
entertainment and the things. It's just so crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
And a part of me feels like, again, when I'm
in a good mood about it, I'm like, Okay, that's
just comes with the territory of hosting these things. But
depending I could also be really bothered because it's like,
for like my baby shower, for instance, I paid basically
per head, right, and there were you know, there's always
same day cancelations when things come up. I get it.
Life happens, but yeah, it is hard. It can swing

(11:11):
both ways for me, just going to what you said,
how this whole conversation started. I can either be like, yeah, whatever, right,
this is just life. That's what happens, or I'm like,
what the hell.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I know, I'm the same way, but never doing this again.
And then it's hard. If you know, people have to
drive bar it's a week, you know, it's all.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
This and I think for like the majority of this
group of women to you know, small children land, that's hard.
I get it. There's lots of things happening, there's lots
of variables. Yeah, and you got multiples and you know, so.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think the take home is if you enjoy it
and it makes you happy, you do. I got to
a place several years ago. Although I did throw kind
of a big birthday party this year, and I did
another one like two years ago, but I don't do
it every year, and I don't do it for every occasion.
I didn't do it when the mood hits me, or
I'll do smaller things or dinner parties, but I usually

(12:10):
throw my own birthday because I enjoy doing that. But
I did get to a point where I was like,
you know what, I'm just gonna have smaller dinner parties
and just have four couples and do it like really
excessively and beautifully and whatever, but just make it smaller
and I find that more enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, yeah, because at your birthday party, I didn't even
get to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well that had different issues.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
No, but I feel like, see at my shower, this
would have happened too. We wouldn't have been able to
spend the time that we would have wanted to together because
we don't really get to see each other. Now, I
know i'd almost rather than you and I just do something,
which we are anyways. But yeah, I agree. And I
had told my best friend for this shower, was like,

(12:54):
are you you know? She she knows me by now,
so how I'm controlling and stuff and I'll like, you know,
I was like, oh, I have an idea. Maybe if
you just like did a surprise thing and like I
wasn't a part of the plant. She was like, are
you kidding me? That's a suicide mission, Like I would
never surprise you with a shower or house.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Like, yeah, you're probably right. I think I could have
thrown me at the show.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh yes, I mean this is what I mean. I
go back and forth because there is something about totally
relinquishing all of that control. If somebody was very like
I'm taking it from you and I'm doing it and
you don't get to you know what I mean, Like
the moment you let me in and you let me

(13:42):
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Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yes, I saw photos.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
I haven't posted like the charity of the photos. I
think I will start posting some. I didn't take like
a ton of content or anything. We did like a
few tiktoks forever, but that was it. I have to say.
You know, first of all, the trip was phenomenal. Okay,
I mean so so great, But this is kind of
how it all started. We were out to dinner with
these friends of ours and we were talking about They

(14:41):
were telling us that they had done this yacht trip
and we'd always wanted to try a yacht trip. And yes,
this is totally unrelatable and very bougie, so forgive me,
but I'm just gonna tell you rat it have you
ever done anything.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Like this out of touch heather, out of touch, totally
out of touch. Have I done a yacht trip? Yes, No,
I have not so.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Ever done anyth but we've done things where we like,
you know, charter a boat for the day and we
go out like in the middle of a vacation and
they snorkel and whatever. Yeah, never slept on a boat.
Terry historically is very seasick, and so yeah, no, it
was like never. And when I was younger, like in

(15:20):
high school, like, we've been on cruises with my family.
Not a big fan, so it wasn't really in the
cards for us. But we were having dinner with these
friends and we talked about it and they're like, it's
so great, you guys got to do this with us,
And we were like, okay, we should do this, and
I like drunk plans, I don't know. But the next thing,
you know, we have booked this yacht trip in Croatia.

(15:43):
Now why Croatia, you might ask, Croatia, because I heard
it was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I'd like, it's very popular.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, but it was also not a place that was
I mean, I don't want this to sound terrible, but
it wasn't a place I was dying to go to, Like,
there's three places I haven't been to yet, Like I'd never.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
On your list.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, Like we haven't been to Australia yet, which is
so weird. We were supposed to go a few times,
kept getting canceled. We haven't done that yet. I would
love to go to our straight. So Crenatia wasn't like
I had this burning desire to go. But what I
decided was it's beautiful. Everyone loves it when they go there,
and it's a great place to go by boat. And

(16:22):
I thought, this is a great way to try out
this boat thing in a place that I'm not going
to be worried that, oh we have to get into
town and see this, or we got to make sure
we see that. I just I didn't care what we did,
and so we so we planned the thing and I
really didn't micromanage the trip because my friend Daisy was like, listen,

(16:42):
the yacht people. The captain knows where to go and
they know where to stop, and you can't micromanage it.
We'll just go with the flow.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
And I was like okay, and I did. I was like, yeah, good, Well,
I was gonna say, also from about you. But for me,
I think I would have to relinquish control because I
don't know that much about boating, right, So I feel
like that in itself, you would have to let them
kind of write take one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And I had asked we did a zoom with the captain,
and I had said, you know, do we need We're
gonna go to this beach club, like do we need
day beds? Do we need to ranch? And he was like, oh,
it's before the high season, It'll be fine wherever. I'm like, okay,
totally let it all go. So I'm gonna tell you
all the highs and lows of the trip here.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
What I would tell you is, in general, it was
so fabulous and this boat thing is so great. I mean,
we got terry everything from boning to we bought these
expensive like anti nausea watches, we got prescription scapalamine patches,
we go everything he needed nothing Oh nothing, Wow, No,

(17:50):
I was totally there was Stabler that's on the boat.
The boat was so gorgeous. There was like a lot
of different hangout areas, like there was a steapool and
the on where the water coming from the Adriatic. There
was the like they set up a beach club in
the back when we were anchored. There was a hot
tub on the on the rooftop deck, there were different

(18:11):
places to eat and hang, and there was only four couples.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So fun. I mean, I'll be completely honest, I feel
like I've never been on a yacht trip. Well there's
there's a few other reasons, but I feel like, up
until now, and you know I live in Newport, I
feel like I'm unsure that I'm a boat person, as
you have just remarked on many reasons why people could

(18:37):
not be. You know here, you know, plenty of people
have boats, and I'm happy to go on one for
like a little a little spin, but even a little jaunt.
Like I'll tell you, the bathrooms freak me out a
hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
The bathrooms are weird. This that that I'm gonna tell you.
This ship was like first of all, the bathrooms were gorgeous,
not weird at all, amazing shower everything was beautifully appointed
and big and nice, and I mean it was so

(19:17):
so nice everything about it. I'm telling you I was
not a boat person. I feel exactly the same way
you do. Even when we go to Idaho and we
go on the boat for the day. I'm like, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Like I want to be I want to be a
boat person. It's very sexy. But even Kevin, he's always
lost at me and he's like, you hate it. I'm like,
I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I just
I can go on it for a little bit and
be like and then I'm.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Like, Okay, I'm telling you. We were the same way,
Terry's the same way, and Terry has this thing we're
just so annoying. We will go on a trip and
it'll be amazing and at the end of be like, yeah,
we're never doing that again. I'm like he he will
lean into the I don't like this and I didn't
like that, yeah, and all that kind of thing. I

(20:04):
was very concerned, and even the night before we got
on the boat, he was like, why are we doing this?
Who the place would be? I'm like, you, I have
a video. I made a video with him. I'm like,
you agreed to do this, you wanted to do this.
It's going to be fine, and if we hate it,
we'll never do it again. I will tell you that.
What was I want to tell you some of the
lovely things about it. It's so relaxing, especially while the

(20:27):
boat is moving. Like we were having cocktails in our
doors one night while they were repositioning, and the breeze
was just unbelievable and the sun was setting and I
can't explain it. It's like a floating hotel room.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
This is encouraging. This is encouraging because I feel like
I would love to I feel like it's something different
to do. So wait, would you and Terry both do
it again?

Speaker 1 (20:48):
A thousand percent? While we were on there, we were
already going, Okay, we need to do this again. But
where would be a better place for us to do it?
Because here's the that Croatia gorgeous people are love and
you stop at all these little islands. It's a little
more of like a rancho relaxo vibe. You know, you
get off, you walk around the little towns. They're all

(21:10):
very interesting, beautiful walled cities. There's a fortress or a
fort Dubrovnik is a walled city. You can see tunnels
where they would hide the submarines. Really beautiful. But basically,
you know, it's a little same thing. I don't want
to be rude about it.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
But you know, if you could compare to any other
island or country you've been to, what what is the
vibe most like?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
It reminds me a little bit of z in the
south of France. Have you ever been to Ez? I
have not. It's like medieval little town. It's gorgeous and
you walk up and it's preserved, but they have like
news stores within this preserved, beautiful medieval little city.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
And I was thinking maybe St. Barts or no St
Bart No. I was like, I love skate art, I.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Love Saint part's the same part.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Could you do a yacht trip there?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Okay? I wouldn't do it there. I'll tell you why.
I'll tell you why. Yeah, because I think I love
Saint Bart. But I like I like being like I
like to stay at Eden Rock and walk around to
the different beach clubs and that's so cute, so cute.
I like being in town there. I don't really I
know people like staying on yachts. It's Saint Bart, but

(22:29):
I like being sort of on land there.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Land. Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Because I don't own a yacht, nor will I ever,
so I guess if you owned a yacht I understand that,
but I like being in the action a little bit.
I think with Croatia, you know, there wasn't any like
great fabulous dinner spot to go. There was some lovely
restaurants went and to, but I like a mix of

(22:53):
relaxation and party and vibe. So to me, the south
of France would be perfect. Have some beautiful chill day
on the yacht, go out somewhere, swim, spend the whole day,
you know, water toys, no makeup, doing all that stuff,
and then you go into town that night and you

(23:15):
go to you know, l Cafe or La Opera, petty Plage,
and you have like a fun baby late night dinner
and then you go to your boat. Croatia doesn't really
have that. They have nightclubs and stuff like that, but
not what I'm talking about. So I think I need

(23:36):
more of that kind of thing. But I will tell
you we would go out, we would get up, we'd
have breakfast with everyone, and then you know, some people
worked out, some people did this, and then I put
on a swimsuit and I would be like, what area
do I feel like sitting it today? And I would
go find my little spot and I would look at

(23:56):
the clock and I'd be like, oh, I only have
five hours to sit here. Oh wow, I'd be sad
that it was only five hours and nothing can You
were relaxed then, so relaxed. Yeah, so great. And you
know it's very important that you go with the right people. Yeah,
because even though it was a big boat, you know,

(24:18):
it's still but you know, you're all like eating together
and hanging out together. And we had an amazing group
of people.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
You're like in small quarters, I mean you're on a
boat together.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah, but there was really there's like two separate living rooms.
There's you know, an upstairs dining room and downstairs die
There was a lot, a lot of different hangout spots.
This the layout. I would say, if anyone's looking to
do some kind of boat drip like this, you really
need to look at the layout of the boat.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
The boat.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
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first of all, of course, I brought merch for everyone.
I did, uh. I did this CR CR twenty five,

(26:33):
so it was Croatia Crew twenty five, and it has
some bags for everyone. And there ended up being a
gender reveal party with one of the couples, yes, which
was fun. I'd never been to one before, so I
enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
And somebody was pregnant on this boat, yes, ooh fabulous,
and she was dressed fabulously, gorgeously amazing.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
So so fun. But I did have to take control
of the trip a little bit because it felt a
little willy nilly and there wasn't enough of a plan
and so dear, oh dear, so I had to control
a little bit. But my my, what do you call them? Castmates?
My fellow travelers, my friends were like, yeah, well do

(27:21):
you think we should do? Heather, I go, okay, just
give me five minutes. I'm like, all right, we're going
to have dinner here, and let's single here, and let's
stock here. And so I did take control a little bit,
which I think needed. But now that I've done it,
I totally understand how to do it next time. And
I have a full list of having to change things.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, I mean, hey, I'm glad that you discovered a
new way to a vacation because and actually this is
encouraging for me. Now, okay, have you been on a cruise? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
In high school I was on a cruise and a
couple of cruises and I hated it. And to be
honest with you, like, now that I've been on reality
TV for so long, I don't think a cruise is
in my future.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Wait, what does that have to do with reality TV?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Because I think that the kind it Look, We're not
the Kardashians by any stretch of the imagination. But when
you are on a show like this where everyone thinks
that you're like they know you and your.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Friends, it's to be trapped on this ship, I get it. Yeah, yes, yes, that.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
And sometimes sometimes we go places and no one looks
at us, talks to us, cares. So yeah, you know,
we were walking around there was a weird like a
pop parazzi guy was following. Now, another couple we were
with are famous, but we were walking around a little
town in I can't even remember corchials somewhere and there

(28:43):
was a pop parazzi guy following us around.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah. I didn't think about that angle, but you're right,
You're right. I'm only considering a cruise situation because of
small children.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Oh, I think your kids would love it. My youngest
would have loved a cruise, and we Almo did it
one time. I was gonna go with it again.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I've been on one. Not a huge fan, but I
think for kids maybe it would be, you know, a
different experience.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I think it deppends on the age of the kids.
I think if you have kids that are at the
age that they can cruise around by themselves on the ship,
then I think it's fantastic because it gives them some freedom.
You know, they can't get off the ship. They can't,
you can't lose them. But they can go to the
water park, or they can go to the movie theater,
or there's places they could go. And I think in that,

(29:33):
you know, ages ten to fourteen, I think that's a
great thing.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I don't know, but You've intrigued me about the
yacht thing, because I do feel like every time I
go on about I go I always well always feel
like I will like it.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
You know, when you go to a resort and you're
spending a fortune at a resort and everything, like your
kids order breakfast and it's a thousand dollars. It's not really,
but it feels like it and they take a bite
and then they move on. You know, all the hitting costs,
and then you make your husband get up at the
crack of dawn to go get chairs, save chairs, or

(30:14):
you get a cavana. All those things I find so
such a hassle and carrying everything down it takes all
of that away. You're just stationary and as adults, I mean,
I just love waking up and not carring, waking up whatever,
sitting on a chair. There's always a chair, it's always
in a good spot, there's always a thing, there's someone

(30:36):
to bring you stuff. You don't have to flag a
waiter down. It's like it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
And it's very private too, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
It's so private, and that's the other thing.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
I mean, you know, you're in swimsuits or whatever, you
don't have to worry about who's looking at you holding
your stomach again, you know, whatever it is, you're just
very freeing.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Well okay, all right, all right, you may have talked
me into it.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I'm telling you this is the thing. I so highly
recommend it. It was so so great, it was fun.
We played it in that game night. One night, I
brought a really dumb game. I can't call the help
to look it up, but I bought this game that's
like charades, but you could only use mouth noises and
you have to put your hands behind your back. That

(31:19):
is funny, and we were dying laughing. We celebrated with
the crew one night. We got off the ship you
know a few times and had dinner. One day we
went to a daytime beach club, which was really fun.
The Adriatic Sea is really really beautiful and it's still

(31:40):
like refreshing at this time of year. I'm not sure
it ever gets warmor it's not like Caribbean water, but
it's so beautiful, I mean, just gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well good, no, I mean, I do have like now
is the time, but I have just like this bucket
list of places because I've so restricted right now. So
I'm just like daydreaming of things that I want to do.
Once you know I'm unpregnant.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
What's your D date? Are you telling people that.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's end of July? But I feel like with both
my other pregnancies, I mean, I guess it was relatively
spot on. So both of my other pregnancies were identical.
I mean the labor too, three days three days before
my DU date for each and the same exact birth story,

(32:32):
which is my water broke, which the first time it happened.
My doctor was like that never happens, like it happens
in movies and shows that your water never breaks first,
you usually go into labor first. And for both of
them it was the same. My water broke, and I
did not go into labor, so I had to get into.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Where were you when you water? When your water broke?

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Both times, I was at home because when you think
about it, it was three days before my d days,
so I wasn't really doing much.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Running errands, you know me.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Yeah, Well, with my first one, my water broke and
I called and they said, well, you know, maybe wait
and see if you go into labor, So I like
stayed home and died my roots. I was like okay,
and then and then still nothing was happening, and they're like, yeah,
you got to go in because your water can only
be broken for a certain amount of time. Right then

(33:22):
they have to get the baby out. So it was
really crazy when it happened the second time with guy
Miob was like, wow, that is crazy. So well, I mean,
we'll see if it happens again. But I did talk
about this on on social too that I have a
little placenta situation where it's enter previa. So if the

(33:45):
placenta doesn't move, then I have to have a sea session.
So if I have a sea section, that obviously will
be scheduled, and then that will be even earlier, so
that would be like mid July I had.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
So my water never broke with any of the kids.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
They broke it for you.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Now I had a sea sections. I started with twins.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
So they told so tell me all, tell me all
the upsides of sea sections. Oh, I feel it's the best.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Okay, you have an appointment, you get your nails done
from makeup so nice. You just go in. It's very civilized,
give you an epidural, you lay down and they kick
you in. It's fine. I loved it. But I never
when a labor, I never my water never broke, like,
nothing like that ever happened.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Well, yeah, because I think with a scheduled sea section,
you don't you don't want any of those things to happen.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Definitely not. But I mean, just you.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Know, I mean, and there are so many variables, you know,
when you do you know, when you do not have
a scheduled sea section, there's like lots of different things
that could happen. So it is interesting that it happened
exactly the same. And I would say all three pregnancies,
although have been very similar as well, so I haven't
had anything different. Were your pregnancies different from one to

(34:56):
the other.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Well, you know the first time it was twins, that
was a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, I could see it.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, that was a lot.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
So it was nothing ever like that again, I'm sure. No.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
With the twins I had first I had kidney stones.
Oh god, but I had to pass. I was just
telling the story the other day. I was so sick
and I was lying on the floor of our bathroom
with my head you know, on the tile, because I
was dying. It was like eight and a half months
pregnant with the twins, and Terry stepped over me to
get to the bathroom. Oh nice. And I also had

(35:31):
preaclampsia with them. Sure, yeah, it is the hype of pressure.
And so I but I made it to my due
date with the twins, which was I don't remember, is
that thirty eight weeks the twins and so they so
they you know, they did my sea section that day
and then I had to have magnesium and it was terrible.

(35:52):
And then when I had Cat that was a scheduled
sea section, but with her I had placed sent to
a kreda.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh well, what is that?

Speaker 1 (36:01):
So that's when the placethenta grows into the side of
the uterus and for some reason no one knew that.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Huh. So how did they discover that you had it.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
On the table? So my memory of this is which
Jerry's confirmed. So I'm on the table and we had
just moved down to Newport Beach. So I had a
new doctor, a guy doctor, which was so weird to
me anyway, but he was a very good doctor. And
so I get this guy doctor. Although I totally remember
this is so I've never told to anyone this before.

(36:34):
I remember I was having the weirdest sex dreams, oh
when I was pregnant with my third child, really vivid
and really weird. And I don't know why I felt
like sharing this with him, but I started telling like,
is this normal? Like this is so weird, this has
never happening. He's looking at me like, you know, it's

(36:57):
totally fine.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
News that don a note.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, so cringey, But anyway, I told him this and whatever. Anyway,
So then I'm on the table and there's like they
take the baby out and she's fine, and she's over there,
and like you're playing music and it's all great, and
then all of a sudden it got super quiet in
the room. And you know, right after you have the baby,

(37:21):
whether in vagine, yeah or a C section, they give
you great drugs, right, so yeah, great drugs on board,
And all of a sudden the music stops, and I'm like,
why is it so quiet in here? And I'm just
like looking around, thinking whatever. And then a little while
later the music never started again, but everyone started talking

(37:43):
or whatever. So apparently because of this placenta acreda, it
was so attached to the uterus that they almost had
to do a hysterectomy on the table right there.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
And what I kept them from doing that they.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Got control of the blood loss because I guess when
they pull I don't know that this is exactly true,
but I guess when they pull it off of the
uterine wall, it's bleeding. Anyway, he was a great doctor.
He got control of the bleeding. But I guess the
room got quiet because they were ordering blood and doing

(38:18):
all the things that they needed to do to prep
for surgery. And thankfully they didn't have to do that,
and everything was okay, and Kat was okay. And then
how weird that after the twins and Kat were all IVF,
I then got pregnant naturally, No, we do remember that,

(38:39):
which obviously if I had had an hysterictomy, that never
would have happened. Oh wild right, Yeah, it was totally
So I had placenta akreta again with Ace and it resolved.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
What do you mean just on its own? I guess, yeah, yeah,
so flacenta previak who resolve on its own? I actually
I did have it with my first and and it
just moved on its own. But I'm a little late
now so and it hasn't moved, so, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
And there's nothing they can do to move it that
kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
No, nope, zero, And it's one of the very few
things that there's just there's yeah, there's nothing to be done.
You just kind of have to if it's if it's
because it's basically blocking your service. So if it's like
there's no way for the baby to get out.

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a name? Now? Really?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I will die on this till my friends they argue
with me, and I just think it. I think as
a I think this has to do with a lots
of personality and the maybe your your own journey and
how you had kids. But I am convinced that girl
names are harder than boy names. That's what I feel like.
I don't know it's because I have two boys already,

(41:40):
but I feel like, because I am a girl, I
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but I feel like it was there's more of a
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that sounds good, Like I have there's more room for
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(42:01):
more fun name, more silly name for girl names. I'm
like every single I'm like, I hate it. I hate it.
Well sounds like a sounds like this sounds like that
is that.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Because you're worried she's gonna be bullied or.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I know, I think I just personally don't like a
lot of nate like. I don't know. I think I'm
more judgmental about girl like I think that as a female,
just like we're more critical of other females than we
are of me. I don't know. I just feel like
I have so many more opinions about girl names than
I do about boy names. Boy names were just kind
of like sure, like that sounds good. That doesn't girl names,

(42:36):
there's like even aside from associations, it's just like, oh,
I don't know, that name sounds bitchy, or that name
sounds like this, or that's the name name sounds like
she's gonna be like this. I don't know. I didn't
have as many opinions about boy names.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I feel like they grud into the name.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well yeah, so that's the other things. A lot of
people are like, oh, maybe you have to wait to
see the baby. I'm not like that. I know a
lot of my friends are like that. I I feel like,
you know, I have so many friends that are like, oh,
I named I named my kid this, and I almost
name him this because you imagine how I name him that,
because they're so there's such a this. I'm like, I
always like, yeah, I could have imagined that other name. Yeah,

(43:14):
because they are whatever you name. I don't feel like, oh,
they could have never been this other name, like Carter,
like his the runner up for him was William. That
was like the phase that I was in till this day.
I'm like, he could have totally been right. Some moms
are like, oh my god, you're getting could you imagine now?

(43:35):
Like he's such a carter.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Like, do you have any friends. I have friends that
named their child and then renamed them a few months later.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Oh, I have not had that thing. Is that a
lot of trouble to go through them? You have to
go back and like change all the.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Did you ever change your name when you got married?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I did? I did, And I feel like that's what
I'm referring to you. I feel like that legally, that's
a lot of work.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I mean, it is out to pay in the ass.
I didn't change my name until we were married for
like working or fifteen years. Oh my gosh, what has
social Security guard, passport driver's I mean, kill me.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
It's a lot. And you feel all that out at
the hospital. So yeah, I don't know, it would be
a lot. So anyways, answer question, we have a small list.
We definitely don't have any names that we're like super
in love with it. That's the oven. Then if I
finally find a name that I kind of like, then
I got to run it by Kevin. And then men

(44:34):
obviously have a totally different perspective of female names too,
so then it's yeah, I don't know. The boys were
so much easier in my opinion. I was like, does yeah,
we had.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
A few harder have a name.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
He likes, Oh, I don't ask him stuff like that.
I have other model. Like I remember I was telling
one of my best friends. She was like, you know
we do you know how we do Christmas cards? Now
everyone does the whole you know, you get photos taken
and you sent out her She was like, oh yeah,
Like don't you don't let Carter because I was asking
her like, oh, which one do you? Which photto do

(45:07):
you like? More right? She's like, well what does Carter say?
I'm like, I don't ask him stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I ask him that either, because I well, you there
comes a time where'd you have that?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Like, well, yes, he's still little and he's eight. I'm
not about to let him, my eight year old, choose
this baby's name. You have years left enjoying. I will say, though,
Carter is traumatized with Guy's name because Carter's a very
square boy. Guy is a little bit different of a

(45:37):
name like, and so he was. He was really nervous,
like with this third baby, because Kevin had jokes like
we're gonna name her girl and he was like, no,
you're not right, Like he's like probably if it was
up to him, we'd name her like, you know, Mary
or something. Oh my god, did you have.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Any girl names picked out?

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Dead?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
You had these?

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Are you recycling any of those or you overnose? I'm
not because here's the thing. That's the other argument. My
friend's like, didn't you have Everyone has girl names from
when they were like a teenager?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, I had. Okay, so Catherine was my big one.
Now I have one of my best friends named I
have multiple Catherines in my everyday life, and I do
feel like I'm not even one of those people that
it's like, oh, it has to be nobody has it.
But I feel like if there is more than two
people in your everyday life that have that name, it

(46:35):
does it's kind of weird. It does kind of take
the shine away from it a little. To name your kids.
So I still love the name. And then there's a
whole category of names that I really like but that
are just not for me, you know what I mean,
Like like right now, the like the like gender mutual names.

(46:55):
I'm not a gender neutral name person, And I'm like, yeah,
I feel like on another family, I'd be like, WHOA,
what a cool name? Right that sounds so cool or
that sounds so hip, but I would feel like a
poser naming my.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Mind with your last name.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yes, And that's the other issue because our last name
ends with the e y. This is not an issue
with boy names. A lot of girl names and with
that sound e you know, it's like it can be
very rank. So in the beginning I was calling her
Shirley because we can't name her Shirley curly, right, And
a lot of girl names end in that sound e

(47:34):
y or an I or an L, E I g
H or whatever, right, And there are some that are
still okay, right, but it's just it can't be too right,
you know what I'm saying. So it's like that eliminates
also a lot as well.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Did your mom weigh in?

Speaker 2 (47:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
She did?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
She Yeah, she's she's not, she's not asking about that,
I could. I feel like she knows also how opinionated
I am. But I feel like and there as you
know too, there are so many new age names too
that like you know, people are like, oh, like they
like to do like geographic stuff, you know, like, well, yeah,

(48:14):
we're talking about what we're talking about, Like the kids
were like thinking about doing like a Camp and Crystal
Cove and they're like, oh, you should name her Cove
and I'm like, oh no, yeah, I again very I
think that's a very cool girl name on somebody else,
but me, keV, it would be it would be weird,

(48:35):
like we're we're just we're definitely it doesn't fit us
right now.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Oh I get it.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So yeah, that's it's it's hard. It's hard. It's hard.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
And then like someone that's like three or four weeks
away from delivering, you are you seem great to me,
Like we were talking about being hormonal before, you don't
seem hormonal to me at all.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think also because I'm normally like such a raging
be So the difference is that like that vast you know,
I keep saying it. Kevin, I was like, is it
just because I'm pregnant or He's like, no, you're normal.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Well you're so funny. I was watching you make sandwiches
the other day for Kevin and Carter, and I was like,
she is just like so pregnant and just so happy
to make sandwiches.

Speaker 5 (49:21):
And I'm listen, I have I'm in the m in
the zone right now where I'm like, I'm just gonna
keep going until I can't go no more, because you
know that will happen.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yes, So every day, even especially a few weeks before,
I mean, I'm I'm waking up pretty tired just from
the nature of just trying to sleep while you're you know,
very pregnant. But every day to motivate myself, I do think, like,
I still don't feel terrible. I can still do the things,
and who knows how I feel after I've never if

(49:53):
I do have to have a sea section, you know,
I kind of just want to reserve the time that
I'm just like laid out until I like have to
be you know what i mean. Like right now, I'm like, though, really,
what is there a bank?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Though?

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, I know, I know as a mom, it's just
it is what it is, right, you just get up
and you do the stuff. And even this past weekend,
we had a really mellow weekend and I kept thinking
to myself, Okay, Sunday we got nothing. I'm gonna lay
in bed until like something obscene like nine am, and

(50:31):
I can't do it. You know. I wake up and
I try. I'm like laying there and Kevin supports it,
but then it's just hard again the control freak thing.
And then also it's just with the small kids and
I have a two year old, so it's just I'm like, okay, okay,
I'm just gonna do it, you know, like I was, no,
I get it, yeah, because Kev's like, oh, I'll do it,

(50:53):
and then he ends up coming back there and asking me,
and I'm like, I'm just gonna get up, like what ever?
You know, like what am I doing when in here?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Anyway? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
It's very it is very hard to just stay still,
so I do. I have tried. After my shower, I
was like, probably no more big social activities. Ah, but
I feel like it's summer now, so it's kind of nice.
It's kind of a little bit of a lull because
clearly we did not plan any vacations and so we're

(51:25):
just like hanging. We're hanging. The kids have stuff going on.
Guys started preschool, which is like always traumatizing for everybody involved, right, So,
but I wanted to do it before the baby got here,
and so the kids are active, but I'm just trying
to really nest and be here and you know, get

(51:48):
everything ready. But as you know, my friend, baby number
three there's a lot less to do. She got a
lot of cute clothes from the shower and one. I
haven't really bought that much, but I feel like there's
a lot already. And that's probably the extent of it
because I just had Guys, so I have all the
other gadgets, right, So I don't know. I'm kind of

(52:12):
feeling I feel considering. I feel like, okay, yeah I
did hire. I'm not gonna lie. We hired an organizer.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, well, I lived with my I love my organizers.
It's best.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I mean, talk about money while spend right, we're trying
to be very concerned. We're like, let's we're going to
be conservative, not spend a lot of money. Because when
we had Guy, we had to build another bedroom for
it was a whole thing and construction, you know, and
so I was like, we're not doing anything that extensive.
But then with the organizer, so she was great. She

(52:47):
did our garage, which I'd.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Have told her.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
I said, one day I'll be like my friend Heather
and have a whole room for my luggage because let
me tell you, well, luggage and any more, it's so
clunky and it's so hard to fit anyways, whatever, So
we did that. She did the garage and then she
did the kid's closets, which that's the best. It was

(53:12):
a game changer, and I think because of that, I
feel good.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
You know, Cat's going to college and Max is going
back to college, and nikki'shere. Everyone's going to go back
to school in August, and we're living between these two
apartments and it's crazy. And so because of the way
we've been living, like every it's not like it's so
much space, but I mean it is, but it's not
not like what we used to have, but things have

(53:35):
just gotten very cluttered. And so I spent this past weekend.
I am on such a purge, which I love. But
I did feel Good Aces room and I did my
bathroom because I just couldn't stand all the collection of
products and things that I accumulated, and I started. I
did half my closet, and you know, so I'm going

(53:59):
through and we did Nikki's room, so I'm going through.
I have to do terry, but I'm going through everyone's stuff.
And then you're going to hire an organizer. I highly
recommend doing a quick purge because you'll do more come
but there's just something nice about getting rid of the
stuff that are that you know you want rid of.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I know, and I think I'm I'm addicted to getting
rid of stuff because after she came, we purged so much,
like so many donations, so many things, and I think
it's been really help. So I told Kevin two things.
He's lucky, He's lucky that the girl is the third baby,
because if she was the first baby, you know, I
would have been buying everything under the sign. Oh yeah,

(54:38):
I think by third kid, you're a little calm.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yeah again, you know, they they really don't wear clothes
for six months. I wear onesies and that's that I know.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
I know, and I feel like, yeah, you're kind of
not over it, but you know what I mean, You're
you're call You're chill. You're chilled out a little bit.
And then the second thing, too, is that I've been
on this purge rage. It gives me such endorphins purging stuff,
and so because of that, I've really been so squeaky
about buying anything new because now what has happened is

(55:11):
I purge and with the organizer, we have like a
place for everything. So that means that means that if
I get anything new, I'm gonna have to throw something out.
You see what I'm saying, Like everything is like perfectly,
so it's helped with mine not buying anything like that.
I've been so good. Although I did get a lot
of did you ever go to Red Balloon when you're

(55:32):
out here? Okay, I got a lot. I got a
good amount of Red Balloon gift cards to you from
the shower, so that is tempting.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Gone to them for when you need stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I think I'm gonna hold on to them, honestly. This
is how good I'm being, Like they're they're just burning
a hole. But I'm like, I can wait.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I would wait if you'll see, like what her coloring
looks like and how big she can and she gets
bigger early or she doesn't, and then all of a sudden,
you're gonna need a Thanksgiving dress and you'll be like,
I got money to.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
That's what I'm saying. So I'm like, I'm really just chilling.
I don't know I'm feeling. I don't mean a brag,
but I feel I feel pretty. I feel pretty good.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
I actually that's great. I was telling you, right, we
got on I bet like we I did purge and
I felt like I got a lot done this weekend,
which was good, and that's very good for my mental
health because when things feel chaotic to me, I like,
I'm the kind of person when I was young, like
I would clean my room before I could study because
I needed just a very clean, balanced space. So I

(56:31):
feel like I'm doing that. But I'm so weirdly hormonal
and I don't really understand this, but I guess in
menopause you can have hormonal days too. I just like,
I feel so PMS the last three days. But you know,
I'm like sitting myself down and having chalks with myself
so and the perking helped.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I'm glad you have yourself to talk you pull.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Who else is there?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I know? So the last thing I want to I
was going to ask you that I would. I guess
we could kind of end on. I don't know, we
could probably we could probably chatted for years and years,
you know, which is talking about all this mom stuff.
So recently I discovered rever. Since my first baby, I
feel like there's so much negative content about motherhood and

(57:15):
I get it. It's like people like, oh, we want
to see real stuff, and real stuff ends up being
a lot of moms being like, Oh, it's so hard,
it's so tough, it's you know, and then then it
kind of has evolved into like, oh my god, it's
the worst, and you know, all that kind of stuff.
And I have this theory now that I feel like
negative mom content does go further than positive mom content.

(57:37):
I feel like any time I post anything positive, because
I do, I feel like I have a lot of
positive experiences to share that I would have really liked
to have had when I was first becoming a mom,
because when I was first become mom, there was a
lot of scary stuff out there and it really kind
of spooked me, and I would have loved to see

(57:58):
some positive testimonial. But every time I put a testimonial
off that's positive, it is just so controversial, like people
will just they'll either push back or they'll say, Oh,
it's because your privileged. Oh it's because your husband's so helpful.
Oh it's because you have this, It's because you have that,

(58:18):
And it's very It's a very interesting culture to me,
and I'm wondering if you have that same experience or
perspective or if you feel like different.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
No, I think you're probably right, and I'd seen that
on social I think for me, you know, my kids
are at an age like we were talking about the photos.
You know, everyone has to agree on the photo and
they have to agree on content.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
You know.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I do my best not to tell my kids' stories
for them. So sometimes you know, there'll be something going
on and within the family, within the kids that I'd
like to talk about, but I want to keep their privacy. Yeah,
And so then that becomes from even things like well,
this I can tell you about, but I didn't post
the photoly and this is a good thing. I went

(59:04):
with Niki and Kat and Ace to pilates yesterday. Oop,
so I was going to plates. Nikki. They've all been
with me before at one time or another. They all came
with me together yesterday and it was very interesting and
it was fun and we had a great time. And
then the three of them went off to the farmer's
market together. I had to continue purging, so dropped me off.
We had a great time, and it's funny.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
I was looking at them in the middle of the
class and thinking, God, that's so fascinating to me that
I now have these older, functioning human.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
And just five minutes ago there were little kids like yours, right,
And it doesn't go by fast, trust me, it really doesn't.
I don't want to go backwards at all. Yeah, where
they're at and I love talking to them and all
those but it was just like I was having sort
of a moment looking at them and thinking about it,

(59:59):
and I said, oh, let's take a picture, and they're like, dude,
a post that. I was like, I wasn't going to
just putting it here. Yeah, So you know, but when
two of my kids like don't get along or whatever's
going on with that, Yeah, I would like to talk
about that more, but you know sometimes I can't. So
I try, and I don't think I do I talk
about it much.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
So I think that's the other that's the other element too,
Like I think that, well, I'm not I'm not a
family blogger, right, And I think it's the lines get
blurred because I do share that I have one, and
then you know, people like, oh, we want to see
this or want to see that. I guess what I mean.
More so, because I'm very careful to you about content

(01:00:41):
that involves the boys, I don't really want to. I
don't want to. I don't ever want to characterize them
in any way. I don't even like saying what like
sports carder likes or plays, because I'm like, I'll let him.
He can have his own, you know, narrative of you know,
his experiences. That is funny is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
When we talk about baseball, like I hated baseball. I
was so happy when both them quick baseball. It's the
longest game, It's the longest sport. The dads are too invested.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
It's like I hate well, yeah, because did you do
that here in Newport?

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
But what I will say is that I'm talking more
about like motherhood, Like people are like, oh, did did
your life change? Is it? Like you know, like you know,
the postpart and this and that and breastfeeding and all that.
And I again, I found a lot of negative experiences
before when I was pregnant with my first and it

(01:01:34):
was very discouraging. And so I always thought to myself
after I had my positive experiences that I would love
to share those. But I do find that now that
I am here on my third kid, and I have
every time I share anything positive, it is interesting. I
just feel like it I just feel like it's not

(01:01:55):
it doesn't go as far and people don't like it
as much.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Well, I see what you're saying. I think that's a
real response to social media because I think for so
long everything was everyone's highlight reels and how beautiful and
wonderful and perfect everyone's family's was such bullshit and so
hard to watch totally, and I completely think set all
these moms up for this this perfection that no one

(01:02:24):
can achieve, and probably they left a lot of mothers
feeling very sad, depressed, and ice. So I think when
people post the negative things, they're like, thank god, you
see me. And I think that's why those things are
more popular.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I know, because what I get is like because a
lot of I feel like the demographic of my followers
are like, you know, late twenties, early thirties, and I
just really worry because a lot I see a lot
of those girls being like, oh, should I even have kids?
It seems awful, right, And then I'm like no, no, no,
no no, Like, clearly there's a lot of challenging stuff,

(01:03:05):
but I would love to highlight some good things. And
then every time I do that, it's just like the
comments are like, wow, must be nice, and I'm like jeez,
like you can't win, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
You just gotta let it go. I mean that, you know,
a lot of what I talk about is that it's
you know, it's mercurial. You know, there's that with every relationship.
Your kids are like that, Your relationship with your kids
are like that, with your partner, with your friends. You know,
there's good days, bad days, you have bad years, and
you know it's just how you get through it. I

(01:03:37):
think it's great that you post that stuff too, and
it is it is good for the younger women to
see that well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I think I think for me personally, like ha said,
during that time, it was it was such a hard
time when you first become a mom.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yes, it's depressing, you're so isolated.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yes, and I feel but see, to me, the fear
mongering from the negative content made it worse. It did
not make me feel like I was not alone. When
I watch stuff of moms struggling, I feel like it
made it worse.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I think then, I think what's really important for people
listening is you got to find your tribe. You got
to find the people to follow that make you feel
inspired and happy and also feel like you can commiserate.
And that's what's great about social Listen, you're having a
low day and you need to be lifted up. Go
listen to that person you hate that one, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
You can be selected.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Yeah, be selected totally, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Anyways, I just found it to be very interesting recently,
and I'm like, you know, everyone, like you said, you
find your tribe. Everyone needs to go and find what
they need from certain people. But it is social does
put things into very strange perspectives. It feels like everyone
reacts so differently to certain content. Like I said, I

(01:04:53):
watch content like that, like if mom's struggling, and that's
not helpful, but the next person might find it very.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Hurry no side note, I find like you're wearing a
lot of pink, greally.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
So listen. If we go back to my pregnancy with guy,
people said the same thing then, and I always have
to remind people I too, am a girl. Pink is
my favorite color. So before we found out the gender
for a guy, everyone's like, oh, it's a girl because
you're wearing pink. I'm like you, guys, have you not
noticed how much pink is in my regular my regular

(01:05:28):
wards will?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
But look, my nails are blue nails, bracelets blue or sinking,
you might need pink cleave situation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So you know what somebody said to that really convinced
me to get the blue one. They were like, get
the blue for you to wear for your two boys,
and then it could be your daughter's something blue for
her wedding. Oh sweet, oh, I got it something I
bought it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I was like, that is the cutest thing. I love that.
That is so sweet. I love stuff like that. Well, okay,
why I could talk to you for hours. I thank
you so much for coming. I miss you. I'm hoping
to see you before you deliver.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I know, I feel like we got to do an
in person but then also see now I'm like, or
should you see me after? Then you could see the baby,
and then we could actually have like some champagne.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
All right, well let's see when I'm down there. It's
traveling a bit, so we'll see. Let's see when you
deliver and how that all works out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
But I could see sit and see. Yes, I love
you so much. I gotta go get my baby now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I love you