June 12, 2025 • 40 mins
Dr & Mrs Guinea Pig return to chat about Heather's Salmon Sperm Facial, the cost of at-home micro needles, Who on RHOC has NOT had a facelift? Should celebrities tell if they're on weight loss drugs? The hottest thing in plastic surgery, How much does a facelift cost? Has Biden gotten work done?? And Heather and Terry reflect on 25 years of marriage!!! Original Airdate: 06/13/2024
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's talk about Heather Dubros starts now. Oh my gosh,
I'm pre recording this a little bit because we're going
on a vacation because it's our anniversary. So I brought
in a special guest star. I brought in the one only,
my fabulous husband.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Terry Bro.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Thank you very much everyone, Thank you Heather Page, Kent
Debro for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Okay, I love you. I'm so so. We're pre recording
this a little bit because we're going on a trip
for twenty fifth winning anniversary. I'm excited about that. We're
going to talk about that, but first I have to
show you my glowy, beautiful skin. I had a salmon
sperm facial that's.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So interesting and so pornographic at the same time. The
question is the question is how was the salmon sperm
delivered to your skin? Was it just placed on top
of it like a like porno flick or what?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, the salmon did not like finish all over my face.
What happened was they take this little device that it
feels like a square, kind of like the size of
a postage stamp, and they puncture your skin sort of
like a mini night micro needling, say that again.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Ejected with the puncturing or they puncture and then place
on top.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
They place it puncture place again, right, and so it
infuses into the top layers your skin. Very similar to
what I do when I go to doug Mess and
get the Aqua gold needles. But this was doctor Ellie,
and so she did her normal cupping and needles and things,
and then I got my salmon sperm. I gotta tell you,
my skin is fantastic, unbelievable. It's like glowy and dewey.
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And then I hurt my back the other day, and
so she did some needles and cupping to get rid
of the inflammation. And it feels so much better because
I gotta I gotta be in good physical shape for
the salmon sperm vacation.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I think it's important that people understand that there
are several ways to get products delivered to your skin.
And the typical way is just the topical cosmoceutical we
call it, where you brun your skin and you hope
it absorbs. But there's another way, a better way that
not only if you make holes of the skin you
can get it to absorb through those channels, but if
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you actually damage the skin deep enough with a controlled
wound like a micro needle, at a certain depth that
goes into the dermis, you not only can get the
active ingredients deep into the skin, but you can induce
the skin to heal. And when a skin heals, it
makes its own growth factors, and it makes its own
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anti inflammatory things, and it rejuvenates because it has to
make new skin and those those wounding channels.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So one of the main.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Things that you can do is you can like go
to Amazon dot com and get microneedling rollers.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And until you like the at home ones, do you
think that's safe to use at home?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
By the way, you can I was shock, but you
can buy scalpels on Amazon dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Let's not operate at home, I know, But you can
buy micro needling rollers on Amazon that go way deeper
than I would recommend.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And so there's a lot of really good.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Videos on YouTube about how people use micro needling for
hair regrowth men and women, and it's super effective. In fact,
it's so effective. I'm so impressed with the results in
the in the literature that you know, we have console health,
Console beauty. We're going to make our own precise microneedling
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delivery tool. And if anyone's interested in hair regrowth or
an amazing absorption of skin. Micro needleing on the skin
and the hairline is so good and so effective, you should.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Look into it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Wow, and so a lot of them.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know, it depends how deep you go, but if you.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Sort of do a micro needling session, you know, every
other week, that can be really effective just for hair growth.
Just wound the skin in the area where you're thinning
and it induces through growth factor activation, pollicular development. It's
really really effective. It's probably more effective than like laser
hair you know, regrowth combe that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh, like the hats and things, those are effective. Yeah,
we had those for a while. What happened ours?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I put it on my nightstand and it's going we
use it and then our people put it away and
then like it's out of sight, out of my living.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And that's another thing that I always tell people.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Listen, if you're going to buy something supplement, put it
on your shelf. Don't put in your shelf, don't put
in your pantry, put it on your in your kit
you know, right on the countertop in your kitchen, right
in front of you that way, you'll use it because
one of the the main problems with all these wonderful
self elements is that people to stop using.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It right now. That's why I have I've got like
the old Lady pill box, the Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
I fill it every week. I know what's going on.
I love that. Then I don't have to think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, So I think this micro needling, this thing you're
doing with the you know, golden needles.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Salmon sperm is next level.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You know, I don't know about salmon sperm itself.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I don't really know about you know, they'll give you
the generic.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Oh it induces pulogen.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh it reduces irritation, thereby leading to less red as
you know, prove it. You know, I don't really know
if that's true. But I think the wounding process alone
is probably the most important thing right done.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know, I'm looking forward to the tightening devices going
to the next level. I'm going to go have what
can I tell you, I was going to have, oh, thermage,
So I'm not I've done the Morpheus eight maybe a
couple of years ago, and you have to do a
series of them. But I believe the Morphius eight is
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for tightening and for something else, not just tightening, But
the thermage is just strictly for tightening. I wonder if
you could do it on your knees.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I doubt it would be You're you know, it depends
how much laxity. You have a lot of laxity.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It probably doesn't work for it on your knees.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You mean, yeah, on your knees the thermage.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What do you want to do it on your neck,
neck and face? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I think for someone at your level of facial aging,
which is like Dori and Gray you are, you don't age,
it's very effective. You're one of these.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
People that you know, ultimately one day, I'm sure you
will have a facelift, but you haven't had one, and
you certainly don't need one yet.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I probably do well. I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Could take a thirty year old who's lost weight and
say they need a facelift.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You know, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
But you've done very very well without having I think
you're the only person on Orange County housewise who hasn't
had a face that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Aren't you.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, Gina hasn't had a facelift.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Nina and Jen have not right, the others are public
about it. I don't know the end of the door
being sued by Oh is that not a thing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
She's being sued by? Who is oh? Oh oh because
the money for the facelift?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Oh right, right right, that's no secret.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, and has talked about it, right.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yep, and Emily's talked about it.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
At least talked about it. I mean, I would never
disclose it personal.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
No, no, of course not. By the way. I think
it's so great that people talk about I'm curious on
your take on this, Like, I think that's great. You
want to talk about what you've had done, That's fantastic.
But I personally feel like, if you don't want to
talk about things that you've had done that you shouldn't
have to, why is it anyone's business?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I it really upsets me.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Even when celebrities you've got I'm really skinny, don't want
to admit to using these drugs, the new some aglutides,
the miracle weight loss drugs. You stop asking them, you know,
just because they're celebrities.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
They don't owe us anything, They shouldn't have to tell us,
admit to us what they're doing. It's amazing how they
really get ragged on, Like Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I was just on TMZ.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Kelly Clarkson didn't admit it, and then she sort of
kind of admitted it, right, And I said, you know,
I was grateful she admitted it. I would have liked
her to go a little bit further in and actually
identify the drug. You know, it was really admitting it fully.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Whoop.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, who loves her magic shot?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Great? But I mean what you're saying about Kelly Clarkson,
I don't agree with. Why should she have to go
further and say exactly what she's taking. I feel bad
that she felt bullied into making a statement about it.
It was like, do you ask people if they're on
a beta blocker? Do you? I mean, it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Say I didn't take those I took another medication. Well, okay,
either don't tell us or tell us because you're in
a position where you can influence and help a lot
of people. And she said she was having sugar problems,
so just tell us what it is. By the way,
we know what it is. It's Monjarro because that's the
only other one anyway. But it's like if you're gonna share.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, you're like, if you're going to share, just say
what it is now. I understand that, but I think
in general, I think if you, you know, want to
go on one of these drugs, you have a weight
issue or whatever it is, that is your business. No
one needs to know. I don't think people need to say, oh,
here's what I did to my body. Here's my surgeries,
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here's my workout routine. Here's what you don't have to
You don't know anyone anything. If you want to share, share.
The only thing that I have a problem with is
when I know that someone has had a procedure. And
when I say I know, I mean I no, they've
had a procedure. And then they go on an interview
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and say and someone says, oh you look so young,
you look so rested. What is your secret? And they say, oh,
it's clean living and I drink water, and like that's bullshit.
Don't say that because that's not true. Say something else,
Redirect the question, be you know, coy about it, whatever
you want to do. But if you're lying and just
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saying you're drinking water and resting and sleeping and that's
why you look so good. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I have mixed feelings about it.
But when it comes to the miracle weight loss drugs,
I mean, look, diets don't really work very well, right
and making better food choices and keeping control of your urges.
If that were so easy, nobody would be overweight. And
(10:52):
so if you've lost a whole bunch of weight, you know,
and you want to blame it on, I've been doing
a lot of walking, which is what Kelly fircees.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Wow, So what were you just living in a chair before?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Let's talk about plastic surgery? What what are the new
hot things? Because there's always trends. You've got, you know,
the bay Watch big boob era and obviously the Kardashian
big butt era is still in play. But is there
anything else that's that's new that people are asking for.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, I just think the early rejuvenation is the hot.
You know, you sort of start it before you absolutely
need it. Early facelift is very big.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know me, Well, what does that mean? Early? Is
that early in your aging process or early meaning your
actual age.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Or both in your aging process? You know, get it?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So some of these women that there's sort of forty
four and they're thinking, do I want to facelift yet?
I mean, sometimes it's better just to do it then
get it over with. Will you never really age in
front of us. You don't go from sort of looking
one way to looking like another. But you know, it's
easier said than done because it's expensive. You have to
commit to scary surgery and the recovery and the hiding
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of it all, and you got to get past your
own like I mean, let's face it, most of the time,
before you make a change, you have to hit bottom
in a way, meaning you looked in the mirror.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So many shows you a picture and you.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Go, wow, I have really aged, and that's your sort
of your facial aging bottom. Where you go, that's enough.
I want to get my face now right, Or you
look in a mirror, or your clothes don't fit, you
go I've got to do something about my weight, or
you know. So I think it's sometimes better to do
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some things early.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Let's stick on the facelift thing for a minute, because
obviously I'm obsessed. Every day I go is it time?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Time?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is time? And all my friends talk about this too,
So I get a lot of questions about this. So
these are the questions of all. The biggest question that
I get asked by friends is what is a deep
plane facelift versus a regular facelift, and why do we
need that or when do we need that?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So a deep plane facelift is a much more complicated
facelift where you go really deeply in the tissues, kind
of below the muscles of the face where the nerves live.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And the idea being that if you're in that plane,
that you're getting a much longer lasting result, getting a
much more significant change.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
It will, you know, look more impactful, right, rather than
just refresh, it's going to change your face, So got
you know, I think the problem with a deep plane
facelift is the recovery is definitely longer. It's more technically challenging,
so the risk of nerve injury is a little bit higher.
But let's say you go to somebody who does it
all the time, probably okay, But I find that a
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deep plane face lift and some most people are okay
with this.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
They look different. You just don't look like you ever
did look right.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Because it moves tissues into areas that weren't there before.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And so it changes the shape of your face.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Change the shape of your face.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Now, it doesn't always have to, you know, I'm certainly
not going to GetUp here and say every if you
if you look at plastic surgeons who do deeplayed faceless,
and you look at different before and afters, their actors
look all good, but a high percentage of them they
look different. You know, they just look like a different person,
which is okay. You look at housewives who've undergone a
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lot of faceless, and you know, some of the prettiest ones,
they look really beautiful, but they when you look at,
you know, relatives, the way they look when they started,
they look like different people.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And maybe that's okay. Maybe that's okay for some people,
you know, but if.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You basically like your face and you just want to
be a bit rejuvenated, then maybe you wouldn't want to
do a deep plane facelift.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I don't think you would necessarily do a deep plane
if you were younger and you don't have that much
laxity and you've got a nice facial shape, because you
can just do sort of the old fashioned mass facelift
where you tighten the muscle, you do the skin and
you're just gonna look like you. And in your case,
your face is so amazing naturally genetically that I not
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want you to change at all because you're just gonna
look different, you know. And so I think a deep
plane facelift and you might be a mistake.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I think if you were to do it, you just
do like and all you need is a mini lift anyway,
if you were to.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Do it, you know, Okay, what about some people I
know are getting and I know you can't see me, people,
but I'm pinching the skin right in front of my ear,
and so they call it like a skin pinch face
face lift, right, Yeah, so it's a I guess that's
like a mid level face lift, right, but they just
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call it a skin pinch.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, that's a skin only that's not gonna last for
very long. And I think if you're in your early forties,
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You know, it's like a mini.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's a mini, but you know, you get what you
pay for.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Those are probably inexpensive and have a fast recovery. Sometimes
those can be very effective. I've done faceless under local,
which are much less extensive, where you just go whoa
that is mind bogglingly good and it seems to last.
But that's there. That's because their tissue characteristics, right, you
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want to apply to a heavy face, you know, or
thick skin, thick sabacious skin, so you kind of have
to the visualize them a bit.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
But at the end of the day, if you go
to a surgeon who's.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Done a lot and who's a lot of gray hair
or no hair, someone who's really spent, you know, more
than ten years doing this stuff, you're probably going to
get a good result no matter what procedure do you do.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But now that you're saying all that, I feel like
it's really important to go to either multiple people or
people that specialize in all these different kinds of facelifts,
because if you go to someone who, for example, only
does deep plane facelifts, that's what they're going to sell
you on.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and by the way, deep playing face lifts are
more expensive for sure, and.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's like a lobster pasta.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I know there's a couple guys in New York, one
guy I know of in Beverly Hills and one in
San Diego. We rattle off their names because they're charging
about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to three point
fifty for a facelift.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Now, who is paying that?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, they're getting people to pay for it. But I
tell you it doesn't turn out.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
They're mad, You are mad, pissed, And I'm defending a
few of them in court because they didn't do anything wrong.
They just didn't get a good result, so they had
a minor complication. But for three hundred thousand dollars, it
better go really well.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Hey, for three hundred grant it better have a great
piece of jewelry with it too.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So, but I mean a facelift should.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Cost depending on where you are, you know, twenty twenty
to forty somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You can get a really good baselift.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
On that's Beverly Hills or New York prizes.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
What are those prices?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What's the range of Beverly Hills New York high end?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I think if you go into an experienced person in
Beverly Hills, it's going to be sixty. You know, if
you're going to go to an experienced person Beverly Hills
got a big practice, they're gonna want one hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, So I think it really depends.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It's funny, you know, with my career, I'm obviously more
of an anti plastic surgeon surgery plastic surgeon, but then
I'm enthusiastic about the idea of doing things early. So
how do I, you know, do I john do those
things together? I think that a lot of people I
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just know are gonna have plastic surgery. So if you're
one of those people who knows you're gonna have plastic surgery,
do it early, get on that tree.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, let me ask you this. How long should a
facelift last?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
So it really depends on an individual, right, So if
a person has weight under control and doesn't have really thick,
heavy skin.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And does good.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Skincare, I mean, I think you can you can get
and then then that's always a question because at the
first sign of aging, does that mean it's failed, That
mean it doesn't last anymore?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's not good enough?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I think a facelift. I think if you got ten
years out of a facelift, oh.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Ten years, that's a long time. But we but I
mean I am particular no people that will get a
facelift more often than that. Yeah, I think that their
physiology is it the facelift failed or what.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I think it's a physiology. I think it's their skin characteristics.
If you're if you're one of these who it was
up and down on your weight basis, are not gonna last? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Well, the worst thing you do for facelift is get
heavy and then lose weight.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You're stretching the skin out.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
This is gonna undo it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know, let me ask you this, tell it. Take me.
Like our friend Caroline Stansbury put this all on social media,
so she had a facelift and carl amazing Caroline Stansbury
was so transparent about her facelift. She videoed the entire process,
put it on social and we you know, we love
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Caroline and Sergia and we ran into them right after it.
Remember at Airwan she looked great, so great. But here's
the thing I'm I'm watching her video and obviously it's
a highlight reel. She's not it's not twenty four to seven.
But man, that recovery looks so gnarly. Could you kind
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of take us through because one of the things I
think is a big miss understanding or misnow we're about
plastic surgery, is that it's surgery. I mean, because you know,
you go in feeling good, you're not sick, have surgery,
come out, get better. You go in feeling fine, you
have surgery, you feel crappy, and then get better. You know,
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I think people don't realize what a serious event it is.
So what's what's the whole thing? So you get the
facelift and then what.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And then you go home and you you know there
there are some things you can do that do have cost,
but that will I mean you can do Typically people
just televate their face, ice it and suffer.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, but how I want to know, Like, you get
the facelift done, and is it four days of suffering
till you turn the corner? When do you take the
whole bandage off the head thing?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You do the surgery. The next day you take advantage off.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And then you put them in a chin strap and
then let the suffering begin. And you know, if you're lucky,
you tolerate pain pills very well, so you can take
pain builds for a couple of days and maybe take
some valuume. And if you have resources, you know, you
can do things like hyperbaric auction very helpful. You can
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have post operative IVS and the post off ivs not
only hydrate you make it feel better, but we could
put things in the ivy to really set you down.
So that's very nice. But at the end of the day,
surgery is surgery, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And so when could you go out to dinner? Two
weeks four weeks less less?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I think most not necessarily deep plane, but most regular facelifts.
I think if you have it on a Monday, you
could theoretically go to dinner if you're not too bruised
on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And then what about the incision? So when I think
about a facelift, I think there's a decision that goes
like kind of in front of the ear and then
under the ear lobe and then behind the ear right.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Right, So you make one in front of the ear,
going all the way back along on the hairline.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
And maybe sometimes you have it here too, when you
want to.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Sow up the muscles in the neck under the chin.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it's I think most people have a little bit
of separation of these muscles here.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
And you can see when you look in the mirror,
do you have these bands? I do, And.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, botox can be effective, but nothing's better than just
sewing them back together again.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Like it's like tuck tummy tuck of the face.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You know, when your muscles separate after kids, you sew
them together sort of with aging the muscles and in
the neck and chin area separate, you sew them together.
So you know, a face of we plessers just love
doing face. Let's I'll tell you why we love them
because they help pay the overhead in in a very.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Substantial way, very lucrative.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Very lucrative.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
They're very fun to do, and it's got to be
the most impactful thing on the face you can do
besides taking a big bump off the nose, you.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Know, And so we love the facelift. All plastic surgeons
love to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How long does it take for those incisions to like heal,
like heal in a real way, because you know, I
see people when they get the face of the hair
is down right, When is the ponytail back?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Probably three weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And you can't see them.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean if you look closely enough.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
By the way, anyone who's had a facelift, all you
have to do is go like this and take a look.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They will he said, He's saying, to push your ear forward.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, push your forward, you can see a scar. So
even the best scar is still a scar. So but
that's okay. I mean, I think people are so open
about facelifts now that I mean, if I were to
have a facelift, which I don't see me having a
facelift anytime soon, I would just my approach would be,
I'd say, I'm going to have a facelift, you know,
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and just do it.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I would tell people, but I don't want a facelift.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think I'm gonna do you know, I think I'm
gonna go off into the wilderness without a facelift.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I might have my lower eyes done, really might. I
think my lower eyelids make me look very tired.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I put your face in the put your face in
the camera. Let's let's do a let's do a pre
up right here and here here, do a pre up
on yourself for your eyes uppers and lowers.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I mean, I could use a little bit of skin
taken from my upper.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, let's say you're you and you just walked into you.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'd say, look, you have a little bit. You have
some excess upper eyelid skin. But if you take too much,
you're gonna look done. So let's take a sliver just
to open up the eyelids a little bit, and let's
tighten your lower eyelids and get get more like this.
You'll look a lot less tired. You'll look you'll look better,
but you know, like I'll do that and I'll be
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and then I'll get really tired, and I'll still look tired.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But I think that's something I would do, depending on
what's going on in my life, if I had, if
I was off TV permit or at least my shows
were done for a while. Probably less interested.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You know, you're only vane if you're seeing yourself on TV.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, you know, one of the it's a visual medium.
So you want to look good. You want to feel
good about the way you look, right. I mean, I'm
sixty five. I mean I'm self conscious about my hair.
I do things to maximize my hair. And but you know,
I think to myself, at what point do you stop?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
What point do you just go? I'm good?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, I don't think you ever do. I mean, look,
your mom wanted bowtok got botox? What a year ago?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, I think with a guy and a facelift, it
starts to look really oddly suspicious.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
If you're seventy and you have hair so tight, yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
It can look weird, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, But I think also, and you've talked about this before,
male plastic surgery is just a whole different animal. If
you're do if you're a guy, or you have someone
in your life that's male, you got to make sure
that you see a lot of mail before and afters
in their books, because you know, there's a lot of
celebrity men out there older that you could see they
took too much eyelid skin and their eyes look very feminine.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Well, what I've noticed is there you know that the
extraordinarily handsome celebrities that are around my age are a
little bit younger than me.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know who they are. I don't want to name
their names.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, like A plus plus list celebrities and even
some A list TV celebrities who you see all the time.
They've all had facelifts, all of them.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, they look good.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The only one I think is not at a facelift.
I don't think Robert Downey.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Junior's had a facelift. I really don't.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
He's He still looks really good. But like you know,
big A List movie stars, and a couple of them
don't look that good after their facelift.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
One in particular, Why do you think that is? See,
this is the thing, and this is why so many
of us are scared to do things, because how do
you avoid that? How do you avoid looking weird or
touched or any of that?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think, first of all, that transfer to the face,
you have to be really careful with that because fat
transfer of the face. We tend to put more in
than we need because we know it's going to absorb.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
But what if it doesn't absorb? What if you end
up getting more?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
And there's a celebrity right now, I can think of
who's a giant celebrity, maybe the top male celebrity right
now who I'm sure is that that transfer to his
face along with some kind of facelift, and he just
you know, he doesn't look like him anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Tell me who later, Yes, he doesn't look that good.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And and but but these other giant A List guys
they look great, you know, So.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Answer that question. So how do you avoid that? So
no fat transfer to the face, got it?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That transfer? Be very very judicious with your filler. I
think it past a certain age, filler, don't do filler,
you know, and botoks. You can do as much botox
as you want. You know, even if it looks a
little funky, it wears off. It wears off. I mean,
you know who's had so you know, I never talk
about people's plastic surgery, but I'm going to right Biden.
(29:14):
Biden obviously has had every single thing you can do
in your face, one hundred. He's had his uppers, as lowers,
his hair, his face slipped. I mean, and it's okay,
you know, but should you be seventy eight and look
and have no laxity in your skin, have no lines
in your eyes, and have no upper lower isolid.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Skin, I don't know. It's I don't want to look
that way, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, it's it starts to
be the look. I mean. There's that funny meme on
Instagram where they show the cast of the Golden Girls
and the cast of Sex in the City and they go,
they're the same exact age, right, because people look different now.
So the question is is that just what people of
that age look like now or will that be the look?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah? What I like is, you know, Robert de Niro,
for example.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I don't know if he's had a facelift, but he's
clearly not having facelifts. He's letting his face age. Al
Pacino has stopped having face lifts. I think he's now
bought into the Hey, I've got net laxity, and.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
That's what you have when you're in your seventies.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And so I like that. Look, now, this is just
my personal preference. This is not a judgment at all.
If someone wants to have no facial laxity in their
seventies and eighties, that's okay. I just think it looks
a little funky. I mean, I think Biden looks a
little funky, don't you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
There is so much more to unpack there, but yes,
all right, So, in the spirit of our twenty fifth
wedding anniversary, changing gears, here a little bit before we go,
we're gonna play a little game, not a game, a quiz.
It's a quiz, all right, We're gonna have a little quiz.
We're gonna have a little twenty fifth anniversary quiz. Okay,
(30:59):
it's not quiz, but it's your opinion on things. Here
we go. Gabby came up with us, our producer so
here we go, and then maybe I do have well,
maybe I have some quiz questions as well. Okay, what
was your first impression of each other?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Umm?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I thought you were Your face was excessively beautiful, and
you had the flat chest, and I was I thought
I was.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Completely wrong because you had big booze. You were wearing
a minimizer or something.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It was the dress. I thought he was old. What
is your favorite You were thirty eight, Revin when we met,
thirty eight. We met in December. You had your birthday.
You were thirty eight. I was twenty seven and you
were almost forty. Okay, what's your favorite memory from your
wedding day?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
After it was done and we went back and ate
all the food.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that's that's mine too. So we didn't get to
eat a lot during the wedding because you know, you're
dancing and walking around and talking everyone. The wedding was
over and we went back. We had we were at
the Beverly Hills Hotel and we had that big, beautiful suite.
I think it's called we.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Won right, Sunset sweet maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Sunset sweet, yeah, and gorgeous big suit with the piano
and thing, and they put like some of all of
the food from our wedding in our room, and then
each of our guests had an individual, two tiered wedding
cake and they left one of those in there too,
and we chowed, and I remember, I know, we were
so happy. Remember Terry put on scrubs to get comfy
(32:26):
to eat, and I just loved my dress so much
I kept it on. And we sat on the sofa
in there and we just ate and talked and we
sort of recapped the whole night. That was fun. Yeah, Okay,
what's your favorite way to spend quality time together?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I like going out to dinner with you because it
allows us because we do we have such very careers,
and things change and new stuff happens all the time.
It's really a wonderful moment of like you and I
just sitting together alone, just you and me staring at
each other talk.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I agree, and I would say that for any meal.
And I would also say anytime we're alone when we're
not working or have phones, because usually when we have phones,
there's still work to be done. It's not like we said,
we don't sit next to each other scrolling Instagram, but obviously,
if you know you there's kids. You know, there's work,
there's whatever. But if we're somewhere anywhere where, that's not viable.
(33:25):
In the car, on a walk, at dinner, at lunch together,
traveling alone, it's just focused awesome time.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Who is more likely to win in a game of
trivia between the two of you? You for sure?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Maybe totally. But who's more likely to win in a
strategic game of chance? You for sure?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You mean?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
You know you out you out gained me.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
If we play like a stand we were given a
standard kind of puzzly game, you'd win.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Oh, I see what you're saying, Like, I kick your
ass and back ammon. Yeah, and you don't know how
to play? No, you couldn't figure out the Rubik's Cube game. No, okay, right, okay, fair?
Who is more likely to be the spontaneous one in
the relationship? Isn't that weird because I'm such a planner,
But I actually could be very spontaneous, very Yeah. What's
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a small gesture that always brightens your partner's day?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You love when I call you in the middle of
the day and tell.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You nice niceties I do, yeah, or when I text you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I love it all. Yeah, what do you like? What
do I do that brightens your day?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I like when you yeah, same thing.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Really, when there's a communication when you don't expect one.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I like when you yeah good.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I like when you, you know, make a noise, you call
me with one of our noises can get silly, or
you text me as something like you texted me BPF.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
That cracked me up. That's that's PBF.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Remember that it's a inside joke.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We have.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yes, we have a lot we have. It's funny. You know,
remember the movie A Ghost Groove ditto. You know, you
and I have so many dittos. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I know our kids are always like, oh my god,
the two of them. I know what you like to
you like when I buy you random things that you
need that you love, like the flashlight or you know,
like vitamin D or a nail cutter.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I like little knick knacks.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, but to be honest with you, you always break my day.
I get excited just when you come home.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, it's funny because a lot of times I don't
want to talk on the phone.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Well, I don't want to talk on the phone anymore.
Talking to the phone is dead.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, but I don't want to talk at the phone
with you because I want to save our time and
I don't want you know, I don't want to blow
my wad. I want to hang out and I look
forward to, you know, spending that time together.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's something that Terry and I do is if we're
if you know, I call him he's on his way
home whatever, and he'll say, hey, what happened with such
and such. I'll say, oh, well hecaues no, no, no, no,
don't tell me. Save it for dinner. I want to
enjoy this. I'm like, okay, right, yeah, okay, who is
the better driver between the two of you?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Me for sure?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's well, No, you're you terrify me in the car.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, it's an accidence of my ads that you've known me.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, whatever, you're scary. What's a skill or a hobby
you'd like to learn together?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I mean nothing, really nothing, because my job is my
hobby and my job is a skill.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
And I don't want a new skill, you know you.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I don't think I need a new skill. I would
I mean I would like to delve into a couple
of languages in the next few years. If there's time.
Like we love Paris so much. I really didn't take
very much French. I have a very rudimentary understanding of it,
very low. But it would be nice to be able
to just speak a little conversational French. I don't need
(37:05):
to be fluent, but just a little something.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I think you know had I had access to these
computers and these apps and headphones when I was learning Spanish.
I think it is very easy, giving my level of intensity,
to learn a language right now because I I'm a
little older, but you know, because you know me, I
(37:28):
I can sit there for two hours and do anything
every sing It's.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Good for the brain. It's so good for the brain. Yeah, okay,
So to wrap things up, what would you like people
to know about how to have a successful twenty five
year marriage?
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think you know I always say the same thing.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Pick your battles wisely, let it go, Let it go,
you know what I mean, And be grateful that you
have this person in your life.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Be grateful that you're alive and own.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Expect challenges, negative things to not have, and so if
you don't, if you expect them to happen, you're not
disappointed when they happen. You just know that, oh okay,
this is a kind of a bad thing I have
to get through. So you don't overreact to it. Don't overreact.
Dampen down your sensitivities, because when you overreact, you say
(38:22):
things you don't mean, and then you go down paths
that are hard to come back.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think I agree with all that. Being less reactive
is a really important one. Hard to do when you're
younger and a little more you know, sort of passionate
and volatile, But as you get older it's easier to
do that things. And I think the only other thing
I would add to everything you just said is be
respectful of each other.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Oh, and go to bed, Matt.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, go to bed, Matt.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Don't go to bed and try to say we've got
to fix this before you go to sleep. You're never
going to fix it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It's okay to walk away. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
It's like you know, when you're pissed off a person,
don't call him right away. Put two days.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Also, send the email.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Wait two days, go.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
To bed, Matt, don't talk in the morning, leave and
this let it cool down.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
All right, Well, that's our show today. Thank you for
being here. If you want to give Terry any ideas
for something special he could do for our twenty fifth
wedding anniversary, because he doesn't have any and I'm not
giving him mine. Go message him at doctor Dubrow. I'm
sure he'd love that.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Would I would?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And I love you. I love you, and I'm excited
for our trip, and I'm excited for anniversary. And I
know we'd joke and we say it's been going on
and on and on, and all the funny things we
say because we're together so long, almost twenty eight years total.
But honestly, I feel like I mean, I was looking
through our wedding album and to me, it was like yesterday. Honestly,
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I remember being there. I remember what it smelled like,
I remember what it looked like, I remember what it
felt like, all of those things, and I'm excited for
the next twenty five Me too. Hello, I love you, Okay,
Thanks everybody, We'll see you next time.
Let's talk about Heather Dubros starts now. Oh my gosh,
I'm pre recording this a little bit because we're going
on a vacation because it's our anniversary. So I brought
in a special guest star. I brought in the one only,
my fabulous husband.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Terry Bro.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Thank you very much everyone, Thank you Heather Page, Kent
Debro for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Okay, I love you. I'm so so. We're pre recording
this a little bit because we're going on a trip
for twenty fifth winning anniversary. I'm excited about that. We're
going to talk about that, but first I have to
show you my glowy, beautiful skin. I had a salmon
sperm facial that's.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So interesting and so pornographic at the same time. The
question is the question is how was the salmon sperm
delivered to your skin? Was it just placed on top
of it like a like porno flick or what?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
No, the salmon did not like finish all over my face.
What happened was they take this little device that it
feels like a square, kind of like the size of
a postage stamp, and they puncture your skin sort of
like a mini night micro needling, say that again.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Ejected with the puncturing or they puncture and then place
on top.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
They place it puncture place again, right, and so it
infuses into the top layers your skin. Very similar to
what I do when I go to doug Mess and
get the Aqua gold needles. But this was doctor Ellie,
and so she did her normal cupping and needles and things,
and then I got my salmon sperm. I gotta tell you,
my skin is fantastic, unbelievable. It's like glowy and dewey.
(01:47):
And then I hurt my back the other day, and
so she did some needles and cupping to get rid
of the inflammation. And it feels so much better because
I gotta I gotta be in good physical shape for
the salmon sperm vacation.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I think it's important that people understand that there
are several ways to get products delivered to your skin.
And the typical way is just the topical cosmoceutical we
call it, where you brun your skin and you hope
it absorbs. But there's another way, a better way that
not only if you make holes of the skin you
can get it to absorb through those channels, but if
(02:24):
you actually damage the skin deep enough with a controlled
wound like a micro needle, at a certain depth that
goes into the dermis, you not only can get the
active ingredients deep into the skin, but you can induce
the skin to heal. And when a skin heals, it
makes its own growth factors, and it makes its own
(02:47):
anti inflammatory things, and it rejuvenates because it has to
make new skin and those those wounding channels.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So one of the main.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Things that you can do is you can like go
to Amazon dot com and get microneedling rollers.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And until you like the at home ones, do you
think that's safe to use at home?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
By the way, you can I was shock, but you
can buy scalpels on Amazon dot com.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Let's not operate at home, I know, But you can
buy micro needling rollers on Amazon that go way deeper
than I would recommend.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And so there's a lot of really good.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Videos on YouTube about how people use micro needling for
hair regrowth men and women, and it's super effective. In fact,
it's so effective. I'm so impressed with the results in
the in the literature that you know, we have console health,
Console beauty. We're going to make our own precise microneedling
(03:45):
delivery tool. And if anyone's interested in hair regrowth or
an amazing absorption of skin. Micro needleing on the skin
and the hairline is so good and so effective, you should.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Look into it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Wow, and so a lot of them.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
You know, it depends how deep you go, but if you.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Sort of do a micro needling session, you know, every
other week, that can be really effective just for hair growth.
Just wound the skin in the area where you're thinning
and it induces through growth factor activation, pollicular development. It's
really really effective. It's probably more effective than like laser
hair you know, regrowth combe that.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh, like the hats and things, those are effective. Yeah,
we had those for a while. What happened ours?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I put it on my nightstand and it's going we
use it and then our people put it away and
then like it's out of sight, out of my living.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
And that's another thing that I always tell people.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Listen, if you're going to buy something supplement, put it
on your shelf. Don't put in your shelf, don't put
in your pantry, put it on your in your kit
you know, right on the countertop in your kitchen, right
in front of you that way, you'll use it because
one of the the main problems with all these wonderful
self elements is that people to stop using.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It right now. That's why I have I've got like
the old Lady pill box, the Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
I fill it every week. I know what's going on.
I love that. Then I don't have to think about it.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, So I think this micro needling, this thing you're
doing with the you know, golden needles.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Salmon sperm is next level.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
You know, I don't know about salmon sperm itself.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I don't really know about you know, they'll give you
the generic.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Oh it induces pulogen.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh it reduces irritation, thereby leading to less red as
you know, prove it. You know, I don't really know
if that's true. But I think the wounding process alone
is probably the most important thing right done.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know, I'm looking forward to the tightening devices going
to the next level. I'm going to go have what
can I tell you, I was going to have, oh, thermage,
So I'm not I've done the Morpheus eight maybe a
couple of years ago, and you have to do a
series of them. But I believe the Morphius eight is
(06:12):
for tightening and for something else, not just tightening, But
the thermage is just strictly for tightening. I wonder if
you could do it on your knees.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I doubt it would be You're you know, it depends
how much laxity. You have a lot of laxity.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It probably doesn't work for it on your knees.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You mean, yeah, on your knees the thermage.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What do you want to do it on your neck,
neck and face? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I think for someone at your level of facial aging,
which is like Dori and Gray you are, you don't age,
it's very effective. You're one of these.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
People that you know, ultimately one day, I'm sure you
will have a facelift, but you haven't had one, and
you certainly don't need one yet.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I probably do well. I mean, you.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Could take a thirty year old who's lost weight and
say they need a facelift.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You know, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
But you've done very very well without having I think
you're the only person on Orange County housewise who hasn't
had a face that.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Aren't you.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
No, Gina hasn't had a facelift.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Nina and Jen have not right, the others are public
about it. I don't know the end of the door
being sued by Oh is that not a thing.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
She's being sued by? Who is oh? Oh oh because
the money for the facelift?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Oh right, right right, that's no secret.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, and has talked about it, right.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yep, and Emily's talked about it.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
At least talked about it. I mean, I would never
disclose it personal.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
No, no, of course not. By the way. I think
it's so great that people talk about I'm curious on
your take on this, Like, I think that's great. You
want to talk about what you've had done, That's fantastic.
But I personally feel like, if you don't want to
talk about things that you've had done that you shouldn't
have to, why is it anyone's business?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I it really upsets me.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Even when celebrities you've got I'm really skinny, don't want
to admit to using these drugs, the new some aglutides,
the miracle weight loss drugs. You stop asking them, you know,
just because they're celebrities.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
They don't owe us anything, They shouldn't have to tell us,
admit to us what they're doing. It's amazing how they
really get ragged on, Like Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
I was just on TMZ.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Kelly Clarkson didn't admit it, and then she sort of
kind of admitted it, right, And I said, you know,
I was grateful she admitted it. I would have liked
her to go a little bit further in and actually
identify the drug. You know, it was really admitting it fully.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Whoop.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, who loves her magic shot?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Great? But I mean what you're saying about Kelly Clarkson,
I don't agree with. Why should she have to go
further and say exactly what she's taking. I feel bad
that she felt bullied into making a statement about it.
It was like, do you ask people if they're on
a beta blocker? Do you? I mean, it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Say I didn't take those I took another medication. Well, okay,
either don't tell us or tell us because you're in
a position where you can influence and help a lot
of people. And she said she was having sugar problems,
so just tell us what it is. By the way,
we know what it is. It's Monjarro because that's the
only other one anyway. But it's like if you're gonna share.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, you're like, if you're going to share, just say
what it is now. I understand that, but I think
in general, I think if you, you know, want to
go on one of these drugs, you have a weight
issue or whatever it is, that is your business. No
one needs to know. I don't think people need to say, oh,
here's what I did to my body. Here's my surgeries,
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here's my workout routine. Here's what you don't have to
You don't know anyone anything. If you want to share, share.
The only thing that I have a problem with is
when I know that someone has had a procedure. And
when I say I know, I mean I no, they've
had a procedure. And then they go on an interview
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and say and someone says, oh you look so young,
you look so rested. What is your secret? And they say, oh,
it's clean living and I drink water, and like that's bullshit.
Don't say that because that's not true. Say something else,
Redirect the question, be you know, coy about it, whatever
you want to do. But if you're lying and just
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saying you're drinking water and resting and sleeping and that's
why you look so good. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, I think, yeah, I have mixed feelings about it.
But when it comes to the miracle weight loss drugs,
I mean, look, diets don't really work very well, right
and making better food choices and keeping control of your urges.
If that were so easy, nobody would be overweight. And
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so if you've lost a whole bunch of weight, you know,
and you want to blame it on, I've been doing
a lot of walking, which is what Kelly fircees.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Wow, So what were you just living in a chair before?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Let's talk about plastic surgery? What what are the new
hot things? Because there's always trends. You've got, you know,
the bay Watch big boob era and obviously the Kardashian
big butt era is still in play. But is there
anything else that's that's new that people are asking for.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
I mean, I just think the early rejuvenation is the hot.
You know, you sort of start it before you absolutely
need it. Early facelift is very big.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know me, Well, what does that mean? Early? Is
that early in your aging process or early meaning your
actual age.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Or both in your aging process? You know, get it?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
So some of these women that there's sort of forty
four and they're thinking, do I want to facelift yet?
I mean, sometimes it's better just to do it then
get it over with. Will you never really age in
front of us. You don't go from sort of looking
one way to looking like another. But you know, it's
easier said than done because it's expensive. You have to
commit to scary surgery and the recovery and the hiding
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of it all, and you got to get past your
own like I mean, let's face it, most of the time,
before you make a change, you have to hit bottom
in a way, meaning you looked in the mirror.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So many shows you a picture and you.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Go, wow, I have really aged, and that's your sort
of your facial aging bottom. Where you go, that's enough.
I want to get my face now right, Or you
look in a mirror, or your clothes don't fit, you
go I've got to do something about my weight, or
you know. So I think it's sometimes better to do
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some things early.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Let's stick on the facelift thing for a minute, because
obviously I'm obsessed. Every day I go is it time?
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Time?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is time? And all my friends talk about this too,
So I get a lot of questions about this. So
these are the questions of all. The biggest question that
I get asked by friends is what is a deep
plane facelift versus a regular facelift, and why do we
need that or when do we need that?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So a deep plane facelift is a much more complicated
facelift where you go really deeply in the tissues, kind
of below the muscles of the face where the nerves live.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And the idea being that if you're in that plane,
that you're getting a much longer lasting result, getting a
much more significant change.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
It will, you know, look more impactful, right, rather than
just refresh, it's going to change your face, So got
you know, I think the problem with a deep plane
facelift is the recovery is definitely longer. It's more technically challenging,
so the risk of nerve injury is a little bit higher.
But let's say you go to somebody who does it
all the time, probably okay, But I find that a
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deep plane face lift and some most people are okay
with this.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
They look different. You just don't look like you ever
did look right.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Because it moves tissues into areas that weren't there before.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
And so it changes the shape of your face.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Change the shape of your face.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, it does.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Now, it doesn't always have to, you know, I'm certainly
not going to GetUp here and say every if you
if you look at plastic surgeons who do deeplayed faceless,
and you look at different before and afters, their actors
look all good, but a high percentage of them they
look different. You know, they just look like a different person,
which is okay. You look at housewives who've undergone a
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lot of faceless, and you know, some of the prettiest ones,
they look really beautiful, but they when you look at,
you know, relatives, the way they look when they started,
they look like different people.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
And maybe that's okay. Maybe that's okay for some people,
you know, but if.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You basically like your face and you just want to
be a bit rejuvenated, then maybe you wouldn't want to
do a deep plane facelift.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
I don't think you would necessarily do a deep plane
if you were younger and you don't have that much
laxity and you've got a nice facial shape, because you
can just do sort of the old fashioned mass facelift
where you tighten the muscle, you do the skin and
you're just gonna look like you. And in your case,
your face is so amazing naturally genetically that I not
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want you to change at all because you're just gonna
look different, you know. And so I think a deep
plane facelift and you might be a mistake.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I think if you were to do it, you just
do like and all you need is a mini lift anyway,
if you were to.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Do it, you know, Okay, what about some people I
know are getting and I know you can't see me, people,
but I'm pinching the skin right in front of my ear,
and so they call it like a skin pinch face
face lift, right, Yeah, so it's a I guess that's
like a mid level face lift, right, but they just
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call it a skin pinch.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, that's a skin only that's not gonna last for
very long. And I think if you're in your early forties,
that's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
You know, it's like a mini.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's a mini, but you know, you get what you
pay for.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Those are probably inexpensive and have a fast recovery. Sometimes
those can be very effective. I've done faceless under local,
which are much less extensive, where you just go whoa
that is mind bogglingly good and it seems to last.
But that's there. That's because their tissue characteristics, right, you
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want to apply to a heavy face, you know, or
thick skin, thick sabacious skin, so you kind of have
to the visualize them a bit.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
But at the end of the day, if you go
to a surgeon who's.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Done a lot and who's a lot of gray hair
or no hair, someone who's really spent, you know, more
than ten years doing this stuff, you're probably going to
get a good result no matter what procedure do you do.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But now that you're saying all that, I feel like
it's really important to go to either multiple people or
people that specialize in all these different kinds of facelifts,
because if you go to someone who, for example, only
does deep plane facelifts, that's what they're going to sell
you on.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and by the way, deep playing face lifts are
more expensive for sure, and.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
It's like a lobster pasta.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I know there's a couple guys in New York, one
guy I know of in Beverly Hills and one in
San Diego. We rattle off their names because they're charging
about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to three point
fifty for a facelift.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Now, who is paying that?
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, they're getting people to pay for it. But I
tell you it doesn't turn out.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
They're mad, You are mad, pissed, And I'm defending a
few of them in court because they didn't do anything wrong.
They just didn't get a good result, so they had
a minor complication. But for three hundred thousand dollars, it
better go really well.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Hey, for three hundred grant it better have a great
piece of jewelry with it too.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
So, but I mean a facelift should.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Cost depending on where you are, you know, twenty twenty
to forty somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You can get a really good baselift.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
On that's Beverly Hills or New York prizes.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
What are those prices?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
What's the range of Beverly Hills New York high end?
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I think if you go into an experienced person in
Beverly Hills, it's going to be sixty. You know, if
you're going to go to an experienced person Beverly Hills
got a big practice, they're gonna want one hundred.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yeah, So I think it really depends.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
It's funny, you know, with my career, I'm obviously more
of an anti plastic surgeon surgery plastic surgeon, but then
I'm enthusiastic about the idea of doing things early. So
how do I, you know, do I john do those
things together? I think that a lot of people I
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just know are gonna have plastic surgery. So if you're
one of those people who knows you're gonna have plastic surgery,
do it early, get on that tree.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well, let me ask you this. How long should a
facelift last?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
So it really depends on an individual, right, So if
a person has weight under control and doesn't have really thick,
heavy skin.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
And does good.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Skincare, I mean, I think you can you can get
and then then that's always a question because at the
first sign of aging, does that mean it's failed, That
mean it doesn't last anymore?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's not good enough?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I think a facelift. I think if you got ten
years out of a facelift, oh.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Ten years, that's a long time. But we but I
mean I am particular no people that will get a
facelift more often than that. Yeah, I think that their
physiology is it the facelift failed or what.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I think it's a physiology. I think it's their skin characteristics.
If you're if you're one of these who it was
up and down on your weight basis, are not gonna last? Right?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Well, the worst thing you do for facelift is get
heavy and then lose weight.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
You're stretching the skin out.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
This is gonna undo it.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know, let me ask you this, tell it. Take me.
Like our friend Caroline Stansbury put this all on social media,
so she had a facelift and carl amazing Caroline Stansbury
was so transparent about her facelift. She videoed the entire process,
put it on social and we you know, we love
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Caroline and Sergia and we ran into them right after it.
Remember at Airwan she looked great, so great. But here's
the thing I'm I'm watching her video and obviously it's
a highlight reel. She's not it's not twenty four to seven.
But man, that recovery looks so gnarly. Could you kind
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of take us through because one of the things I
think is a big miss understanding or misnow we're about
plastic surgery, is that it's surgery. I mean, because you know,
you go in feeling good, you're not sick, have surgery,
come out, get better. You go in feeling fine, you
have surgery, you feel crappy, and then get better. You know,
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I think people don't realize what a serious event it is.
So what's what's the whole thing? So you get the
facelift and then what.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And then you go home and you you know there
there are some things you can do that do have cost,
but that will I mean you can do Typically people
just televate their face, ice it and suffer.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, but how I want to know, Like, you get
the facelift done, and is it four days of suffering
till you turn the corner? When do you take the
whole bandage off the head thing?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You do the surgery. The next day you take advantage off.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And then you put them in a chin strap and
then let the suffering begin. And you know, if you're lucky,
you tolerate pain pills very well, so you can take
pain builds for a couple of days and maybe take
some valuume. And if you have resources, you know, you
can do things like hyperbaric auction very helpful. You can
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have post operative IVS and the post off ivs not
only hydrate you make it feel better, but we could
put things in the ivy to really set you down.
So that's very nice. But at the end of the day,
surgery is surgery, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And so when could you go out to dinner? Two
weeks four weeks less less?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I think most not necessarily deep plane, but most regular facelifts.
I think if you have it on a Monday, you
could theoretically go to dinner if you're not too bruised
on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And then what about the incision? So when I think
about a facelift, I think there's a decision that goes
like kind of in front of the ear and then
under the ear lobe and then behind the ear right.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Right, So you make one in front of the ear,
going all the way back along on the hairline.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
And maybe sometimes you have it here too, when you
want to.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Sow up the muscles in the neck under the chin.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, it's I think most people have a little bit
of separation of these muscles here.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
And you can see when you look in the mirror,
do you have these bands? I do, And.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, botox can be effective, but nothing's better than just
sewing them back together again.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Like it's like tuck tummy tuck of the face.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You know, when your muscles separate after kids, you sew
them together sort of with aging the muscles and in
the neck and chin area separate, you sew them together.
So you know, a face of we plessers just love
doing face. Let's I'll tell you why we love them
because they help pay the overhead in in a very.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Substantial way, very lucrative.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Very lucrative.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
They're very fun to do, and it's got to be
the most impactful thing on the face you can do
besides taking a big bump off the nose, you.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Know, And so we love the facelift. All plastic surgeons
love to do it.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
How long does it take for those incisions to like heal,
like heal in a real way, because you know, I
see people when they get the face of the hair
is down right, When is the ponytail back?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Probably three weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And you can't see them.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I mean if you look closely enough.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
By the way, anyone who's had a facelift, all you
have to do is go like this and take a look.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
They will he said, He's saying, to push your ear forward.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, push your forward, you can see a scar. So
even the best scar is still a scar. So but
that's okay. I mean, I think people are so open
about facelifts now that I mean, if I were to
have a facelift, which I don't see me having a
facelift anytime soon, I would just my approach would be,
I'd say, I'm going to have a facelift, you know,
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and just do it.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
I would tell people, but I don't want a facelift.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I think I'm gonna do you know, I think I'm
gonna go off into the wilderness without a facelift.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I might have my lower eyes done, really might. I
think my lower eyelids make me look very tired.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I put your face in the put your face in
the camera. Let's let's do a let's do a pre
up right here and here here, do a pre up
on yourself for your eyes uppers and lowers.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
I mean, I could use a little bit of skin
taken from my upper.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, let's say you're you and you just walked into you.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'd say, look, you have a little bit. You have
some excess upper eyelid skin. But if you take too much,
you're gonna look done. So let's take a sliver just
to open up the eyelids a little bit, and let's
tighten your lower eyelids and get get more like this.
You'll look a lot less tired. You'll look you'll look better,
but you know, like I'll do that and I'll be
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and then I'll get really tired, and I'll still look tired.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But I think that's something I would do, depending on
what's going on in my life, if I had, if
I was off TV permit or at least my shows
were done for a while. Probably less interested.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You know, you're only vane if you're seeing yourself on TV.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, you know, one of the it's a visual medium.
So you want to look good. You want to feel
good about the way you look, right. I mean, I'm
sixty five. I mean I'm self conscious about my hair.
I do things to maximize my hair. And but you know,
I think to myself, at what point do you stop?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
What point do you just go? I'm good?
Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, I don't think you ever do. I mean, look,
your mom wanted bowtok got botox? What a year ago?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, I think with a guy and a facelift, it
starts to look really oddly suspicious.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
If you're seventy and you have hair so tight, yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
It can look weird, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, But I think also, and you've talked about this before,
male plastic surgery is just a whole different animal. If
you're do if you're a guy, or you have someone
in your life that's male, you got to make sure
that you see a lot of mail before and afters
in their books, because you know, there's a lot of
celebrity men out there older that you could see they
took too much eyelid skin and their eyes look very feminine.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Well, what I've noticed is there you know that the
extraordinarily handsome celebrities that are around my age are a
little bit younger than me.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know who they are. I don't want to name
their names.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I mean, like A plus plus list celebrities and even
some A list TV celebrities who you see all the time.
They've all had facelifts, all of them.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, they look good.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
The only one I think is not at a facelift.
I don't think Robert Downey.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Junior's had a facelift. I really don't.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
He's He still looks really good. But like you know,
big A List movie stars, and a couple of them
don't look that good after their facelift.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
One in particular, Why do you think that is? See,
this is the thing, and this is why so many
of us are scared to do things, because how do
you avoid that? How do you avoid looking weird or
touched or any of that?
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think, first of all, that transfer to the face,
you have to be really careful with that because fat
transfer of the face. We tend to put more in
than we need because we know it's going to absorb.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
But what if it doesn't absorb? What if you end
up getting more?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
And there's a celebrity right now, I can think of
who's a giant celebrity, maybe the top male celebrity right
now who I'm sure is that that transfer to his
face along with some kind of facelift, and he just
you know, he doesn't look like him anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Tell me who later, Yes, he doesn't look that good.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And and but but these other giant A List guys
they look great, you know, So.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Answer that question. So how do you avoid that? So
no fat transfer to the face, got it?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
That transfer? Be very very judicious with your filler. I
think it past a certain age, filler, don't do filler,
you know, and botoks. You can do as much botox
as you want. You know, even if it looks a
little funky, it wears off. It wears off. I mean,
you know who's had so you know, I never talk
about people's plastic surgery, but I'm going to right Biden.
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Biden obviously has had every single thing you can do
in your face, one hundred. He's had his uppers, as lowers,
his hair, his face slipped. I mean, and it's okay,
you know, but should you be seventy eight and look
and have no laxity in your skin, have no lines
in your eyes, and have no upper lower isolid.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Skin, I don't know. It's I don't want to look
that way, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Well, that's the thing. I mean, it's it starts to
be the look. I mean. There's that funny meme on
Instagram where they show the cast of the Golden Girls
and the cast of Sex in the City and they go,
they're the same exact age, right, because people look different now.
So the question is is that just what people of
that age look like now or will that be the look?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah? What I like is, you know, Robert de Niro,
for example.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I don't know if he's had a facelift, but he's
clearly not having facelifts. He's letting his face age. Al
Pacino has stopped having face lifts. I think he's now
bought into the Hey, I've got net laxity, and.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
That's what you have when you're in your seventies.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And so I like that. Look, now, this is just
my personal preference. This is not a judgment at all.
If someone wants to have no facial laxity in their
seventies and eighties, that's okay. I just think it looks
a little funky. I mean, I think Biden looks a
little funky, don't you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
There is so much more to unpack there, but yes,
all right, So, in the spirit of our twenty fifth
wedding anniversary, changing gears, here a little bit before we go,
we're gonna play a little game, not a game, a quiz.
It's a quiz, all right, We're gonna have a little quiz.
We're gonna have a little twenty fifth anniversary quiz. Okay,
(30:59):
it's not quiz, but it's your opinion on things. Here
we go. Gabby came up with us, our producer so
here we go, and then maybe I do have well,
maybe I have some quiz questions as well. Okay, what
was your first impression of each other?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Umm?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I thought you were Your face was excessively beautiful, and
you had the flat chest, and I was I thought
I was.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Completely wrong because you had big booze. You were wearing
a minimizer or something.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
It was the dress. I thought he was old. What
is your favorite You were thirty eight, Revin when we met,
thirty eight. We met in December. You had your birthday.
You were thirty eight. I was twenty seven and you
were almost forty. Okay, what's your favorite memory from your
wedding day?
Speaker 4 (31:41):
After it was done and we went back and ate
all the food.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that's that's mine too. So we didn't get to
eat a lot during the wedding because you know, you're
dancing and walking around and talking everyone. The wedding was
over and we went back. We had we were at
the Beverly Hills Hotel and we had that big, beautiful suite.
I think it's called we.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Won right, Sunset sweet maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Sunset sweet, yeah, and gorgeous big suit with the piano
and thing, and they put like some of all of
the food from our wedding in our room, and then
each of our guests had an individual, two tiered wedding
cake and they left one of those in there too,
and we chowed, and I remember, I know, we were
so happy. Remember Terry put on scrubs to get comfy
(32:26):
to eat, and I just loved my dress so much
I kept it on. And we sat on the sofa
in there and we just ate and talked and we
sort of recapped the whole night. That was fun. Yeah, Okay,
what's your favorite way to spend quality time together?
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I like going out to dinner with you because it
allows us because we do we have such very careers,
and things change and new stuff happens all the time.
It's really a wonderful moment of like you and I
just sitting together alone, just you and me staring at
each other talk.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I agree, and I would say that for any meal.
And I would also say anytime we're alone when we're
not working or have phones, because usually when we have phones,
there's still work to be done. It's not like we said,
we don't sit next to each other scrolling Instagram, but obviously,
if you know you there's kids. You know, there's work,
there's whatever. But if we're somewhere anywhere where, that's not viable.
(33:25):
In the car, on a walk, at dinner, at lunch together,
traveling alone, it's just focused awesome time.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Who is more likely to win in a game of
trivia between the two of you? You for sure?
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Maybe totally. But who's more likely to win in a
strategic game of chance? You for sure?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You mean?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
You know you out you out gained me.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
If we play like a stand we were given a
standard kind of puzzly game, you'd win.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Oh, I see what you're saying, Like, I kick your
ass and back ammon. Yeah, and you don't know how
to play? No, you couldn't figure out the Rubik's Cube game. No, okay, right, okay, fair?
Who is more likely to be the spontaneous one in
the relationship? Isn't that weird because I'm such a planner,
But I actually could be very spontaneous, very Yeah. What's
(34:17):
a small gesture that always brightens your partner's day?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
You love when I call you in the middle of
the day and tell.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You nice niceties I do, yeah, or when I text you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I love it all. Yeah, what do you like? What
do I do that brightens your day?
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I like when you yeah, same thing.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Really, when there's a communication when you don't expect one.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I like when you yeah good.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I like when you, you know, make a noise, you call
me with one of our noises can get silly, or
you text me as something like you texted me BPF.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
That cracked me up. That's that's PBF.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Remember that it's a inside joke.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
We have.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yes, we have a lot we have. It's funny. You know,
remember the movie A Ghost Groove ditto. You know, you
and I have so many dittos. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I know our kids are always like, oh my god,
the two of them. I know what you like to
you like when I buy you random things that you
need that you love, like the flashlight or you know,
like vitamin D or a nail cutter.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I like little knick knacks.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, but to be honest with you, you always break my day.
I get excited just when you come home.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, it's funny because a lot of times I don't
want to talk on the phone.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Well, I don't want to talk on the phone anymore.
Talking to the phone is dead.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, but I don't want to talk at the phone
with you because I want to save our time and
I don't want you know, I don't want to blow
my wad. I want to hang out and I look
forward to, you know, spending that time together.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's something that Terry and I do is if we're
if you know, I call him he's on his way
home whatever, and he'll say, hey, what happened with such
and such. I'll say, oh, well hecaues no, no, no, no,
don't tell me. Save it for dinner. I want to
enjoy this. I'm like, okay, right, yeah, okay, who is
the better driver between the two of you?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Me for sure?
Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's well, No, you're you terrify me in the car.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, it's an accidence of my ads that you've known me.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, whatever, you're scary. What's a skill or a hobby
you'd like to learn together?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
I mean nothing, really nothing, because my job is my
hobby and my job is a skill.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
And I don't want a new skill, you know you.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I don't think I need a new skill. I would
I mean I would like to delve into a couple
of languages in the next few years. If there's time.
Like we love Paris so much. I really didn't take
very much French. I have a very rudimentary understanding of it,
very low. But it would be nice to be able
to just speak a little conversational French. I don't need
(37:05):
to be fluent, but just a little something.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I think you know had I had access to these
computers and these apps and headphones when I was learning Spanish.
I think it is very easy, giving my level of intensity,
to learn a language right now because I I'm a
little older, but you know, because you know me, I
(37:28):
I can sit there for two hours and do anything
every sing It's.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Good for the brain. It's so good for the brain. Yeah, okay,
So to wrap things up, what would you like people
to know about how to have a successful twenty five
year marriage?
Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think you know I always say the same thing.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Pick your battles wisely, let it go, Let it go,
you know what I mean, And be grateful that you
have this person in your life.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Be grateful that you're alive and own.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Expect challenges, negative things to not have, and so if
you don't, if you expect them to happen, you're not
disappointed when they happen. You just know that, oh okay,
this is a kind of a bad thing I have
to get through. So you don't overreact to it. Don't overreact.
Dampen down your sensitivities, because when you overreact, you say
(38:22):
things you don't mean, and then you go down paths
that are hard to come back.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think I agree with all that. Being less reactive
is a really important one. Hard to do when you're
younger and a little more you know, sort of passionate
and volatile, But as you get older it's easier to
do that things. And I think the only other thing
I would add to everything you just said is be
respectful of each other.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Oh, and go to bed, Matt.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Yeah, go to bed, Matt.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Don't go to bed and try to say we've got
to fix this before you go to sleep. You're never
going to fix it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It's okay to walk away. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
It's like you know, when you're pissed off a person,
don't call him right away. Put two days.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Also, send the email.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Wait two days, go.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
To bed, Matt, don't talk in the morning, leave and
this let it cool down.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
All right, Well, that's our show today. Thank you for
being here. If you want to give Terry any ideas
for something special he could do for our twenty fifth
wedding anniversary, because he doesn't have any and I'm not
giving him mine. Go message him at doctor Dubrow. I'm
sure he'd love that.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Would I would?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
And I love you. I love you, and I'm excited
for our trip, and I'm excited for anniversary. And I
know we'd joke and we say it's been going on
and on and on, and all the funny things we
say because we're together so long, almost twenty eight years total.
But honestly, I feel like I mean, I was looking
through our wedding album and to me, it was like yesterday. Honestly,
(39:50):
I remember being there. I remember what it smelled like,
I remember what it looked like, I remember what it
felt like, all of those things, and I'm excited for
the next twenty five Me too. Hello, I love you, Okay,
Thanks everybody, We'll see you next time.
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