REWIND - Women on Top: Tammin Sursok & Roxy Manning

Actor / producer Tammin Sursok & celeb interviewer Roxy Manning swing by to chat about your kids "pushing away", intimate scenes on set, microdosing, keeping your sex life fresh, "Ozempic face", the pressures of staying relevant and visible, and Tammin's new movie Blood, Sweat and Cheer! Original Airdate: 06/22/2023

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's talk with Heather du bros starts now, okay, well
today on my show, we're just jumping right in because
these girls are so hilarious. We know them, we love them.
Tam and Surr Sock Roxy Manning. One's an actress, producer, director, entrepreneur.

(00:22):
The other is a renowned celebrity interviewer. Together they're the
host of the Women on Top.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Pot or the Bottom of the Side. This won't be boring,
don't you sorry, guys?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Because literally right before we start, Tammon's like, I love
giving blow. I'm like, that's how we're starting.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Really, because I was just it was it was it
was in context.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It really, it really wasn't in context.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I just randomly said it.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
When you become her close friend, these are the like
things I'm out of her mouth.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Oh yeah, but rand I'll wake up call in the morning.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
She was I never say that. I asked, did you
get late? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:00):
She says it in a bit of a nicer way.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
So do you think it's okay to talk about these things?
And is how old are your kids?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Nine and four and eight?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
So they're not they don't know how cringey you are.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
You and enjoy probably will stop.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Great.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
She's starting to kind of be like, mom, I don't
want you to like come that close when you're dropping
me off somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Like, yeah, I'm getting that too. I'm getting to push away. Yeah,
I'm like, bitch, I made you gets your ass. I
know I have to like accept the fact that she
might like try to like not pretend that she loves me.
Is I just I need to go to therapy for it.
I definitely do, because I love my kids so much
and I feel like she's part of my body and
I have to let her go. But that is a
that is it feels like a loss. And every year

(01:41):
my four year old, every year she gets older, I
feel like I lost the child from the year before.
Really yeah, because my baby's four, Like, she's not the
two year old, and she's not gonna be in two years,
she's not gonna be the four year old, and I
feel like I'm losing her. I know it's probably I
could probably work on therapy this whole thing and be like,
it's great that they're growing.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Do you feel that way too, you know?

Speaker 5 (01:58):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I feel like she's coming because she's an only child,
she's sort of inherently maybe a little more independent, like
in her nature right, she's also kind of an old soul,
so she's like very kind of grounded and very much
like an observer. And I always have felt that she's
a little bit wise beyond her years. But she really
has lost a lot of that baby the baby girl.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
And I'm like, don't you need me? Don't you need me?

Speaker 2 (02:23):
She really you want to go out and be like,
you're cool.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Right, googling what age I can leave my child age?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Will I not get arrested for my child looking after
herself alone? She's like, I'm done, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
Don't come after me, police.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
No, I get it. I I'm not like that. Though
it might be because like.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Like you got a lot a lot of those children.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
But for me, I have always felt like, once the
agent stage is over, I'm good. I was present for it.
I got it. And especially with my last with him
in general, like specifically like when he was a baby baby,
I was like, Okay, this is my last one. I'm
gonna I'm gonna see it, i'm gonna feel it, i'm
gonna smell it, i'm gonna taste it, and i'm gonna

(03:10):
let it go.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But you had so many of those stages, Like I
feel like I've only had two four year old stages.
You had four fours?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, I guess I had three because the first two
are twins. Oh that is true. I was like, you'll
kind of like, yeah, combine those two. Yeah, but I
get no.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I get it though, and I want a third but
my husband doesn't. And so that's a question too about
like I want a third. I gotta figure out is
it do I want a third because I want a third?
Whatd I want a third? Because it's like if I
don't have kids, then what like my period's gonna stop
at some point? You know what I mean? And I
know that women think about this. I know some don't,
but they're like, okay, then what is my for me?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
My role is?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, what's my role? I know I'm bigger than just
having kids. I get that. But like when my period's
getting less and less and less, I'm like, I've only
got a couple good eggs and they're like, what are
we gonna do with them? And then is that it?
Have I dried up? Like is that like my body's done?
Like it's like, okay, we're done.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Also, you have to wonder about fulfillment or something you
still want to fulfill with having that third child.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Or is it escaped a man you want to hide
and another kid. It's all of it. It's honestly, like
my last one was a surprise. My first three were
in vitro and then the last one was oh natural,
So we weren't intending.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
To having sex.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well a conversation, but damn it, No, no one told
me that if you have sex you have to pay
some of us. You had to pay a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, to get a surprise he did having sex.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Ovulating Well, I also feel like it was a dry spell,
and to be honest, and so I really don't shot
how it all happened, but interestingently it did.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
So total surprise, I mean total surprise.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And I was forty two. I mean like it was
a lot.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
So yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
So I didn't it wasn't like right purpose, but like
I'm so happy we did. But but my point was
like I was right at the point with the three
kids who were you know, ages like six three, where
I felt like I still look good, I've got my
shit together, my kids are all you know, potty trained,

(05:09):
and I may be able to actually work again and
that could be something fabulous and then bam. Yeah, I
was actually back, like in pilot season that year, and
I remember and I got pregnant, I was like vomiting
and I couldn't oh.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I remember mine was like I was on set when
I found up for the second one, and I would
vomit between takes and it was just so And people
don't talk about because I actually had really good pregnancies,
but that first couple of months when you actually get
like depression during pregnancy. I've heard I ever had that,
but I did, and I felt really depressed and then
the hormones kicked in and I felt great. But I
had the.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Depression during the beginning of the beginning of it.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, but I've had body issues my whole life probably,
so that's probably it too. You know.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I might have contributed, like we all don't look like you,
I know, really.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Naked.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh my god, she was showing me herself. Nat came
in here.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I was just saying, I am so. I gained so
many All right, I gained weight when I had foot surgery.
I gain weight in the pandemic I did. I had
foot surgery. I couldn't work getting your stepson and then
we just went to Europe. I mean, I was just
looking at my boobs in the mono.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
My boobs look so big because they get bigger when
you gain way.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I mean, but game weight where I mean, you're you
look amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
You said they're very kind of you say, are real? Yes,
that is crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
They're like right up there.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
And they didn't even sago kids, and well you know
there's a bron like you know, you're not just freeballing
right there they are. I was like, whoa, yeah, so
what's going on with you with work? What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
We have been this week especially has been being crazy
like we Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Were saying there, why is it? I know? Why so
crazy this week?

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And then also I have a I'm gonna plug it,
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It's like jaw Breakers. It's called Blood Sweat and years
Netflix bought up, but then they sold it to two
B which is great. It's free, so I tell people
it's free. You have to watch. It's really dark, it's
really funny, campy. It's about a mom who can't let go.
It's typecasting. I can't let go of her child, but
your child sixteen. I had her when I was fifteen,

(07:15):
the character did, and I just have felt invisible and
could like not seen my whole life. So I take
on her identity. It's actually based on a true story,
and I go back to her school and I become
a cheerleader to go win the cheer competition. But some
people get in the way and I murder them, and
it's like it's so great, it's such I mean I
didn't say like if I got murdered or like if
I hurt my kid, but like things happen. But yeah,

(07:38):
it's like it's jawl breakers, like wild things election, like
you can watch it, watch it.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (07:45):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, so you had to cheerlead? I did? Can I
be through that? How hard was that? In it? Were
you a cheerleader?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
No, I'm from Australia, Like I never even had that experience.
I was like a child actor in Australia and came
here when I was like twenty one. So people are
like so into cheerleading. I just don't, like I can't
even a handstand.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I was a cheerleader. I you wait a minute for
one season because I am terrible. I can't do a
split I can't do a cartwheel. I can't do anything nothing.
You could barely get up. But they liked me, so
they made me an alternate and I really just wanted
the jacket. Yeah that was my experience. Yeah, you're just like,
I don't I had a jacket. It was cute. That

(08:22):
was the end of that, all right.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So that you had to learn how to cheerlead well,
because two B movies actually get made in like I mean,
you've done some of these movies. They get made in
fifteen days, so they got made in three weeks. And
they asked me, like, could I dance before I did
the show. I was like, yeah, I can do. This
goes back to I can skate, I can do whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
This goes back to the starting actor resume. Yeah, I
can say French, Spanish, conversational Spanish.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Okay, as long as you can dance. I'm mean, I've
done a dance movie before, but that was a lot
of like work, and we spent a month like trying
to learn how to dance. But I was like, sure,
I can cheerleader. So they're like, great, you have to
go gave me the role. You have to go blonde,
And I was like no, I'm not going to go
blonde because I know like dark care of the color
of hairws you. I went blonde, and I knew it
was gonna like my whole hair is like fallen out
because of it.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
But I was like, it's pretty well, it's a little dry.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
But I thought to myself, I'm an actor, Like who
cares about my hair? No, they said no, they said
you can't do the role. And so I was like,
I'm not going to do the movie. And then I
was like, you know what, what a loser if I
am to like not do it because you were Wiggs
because they wanted it to be like, oh, I don't know,
no Wig.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
So we get on set and they're like, well, we're
not going to do any dance rehearsals. We're just gonna
do it on the day. And I was like that.
So like after I did sixteen hour days, afterwards, I
would go with a dance choreographer and like go over
the dance and over the dance and over the dance,
and it looks passable. I wouldn't say, like, don't watch
the movie for the dancing.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Now, it's.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
The movie the acting, and I'm supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Crit fast Forward. I was supposed to be cringey.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm supposed to be like, oh my god, my mom's
trying to dance, so like that like works well for me,
But it's it's it's more about the psychological thriller than
like the cheerleader. But I do kick my leg.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
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She was like so like into it, like when it
was happening, when you were practicing. She was like calling
me and she's like, oh my god, I have like
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Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh my Life. Yeah, I've like split my ramstring.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
Like so many injuries.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
But but you did it.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You commit it to it, and you did it, which
and then there was like a makeout scene then I
think I told you that.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, but don't you kind of let's be honest for
a second. Yeah, don't you kind of enjoy the makeout scenes? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, I wasn't eing how far I was gonna like you, like,
you know, normally you talk about it before you are
you sticking tongue in and you're not sneaking tongue And
it was like, no.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
There was no on set, like like what.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Do you call it was? I can't remember because all
of that went out. I'm like, okay, so we're touching
my nipple, okay.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Okay, there, so that's in the script.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I miss that's in the script and I is licking
my face. I was like, didn't know that was going
to happen, but like you're in it, so you're like
I can't cut, Like how embarrassing it is?

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I know, but that is the culture that shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I need I know, And most of my career has
been fine, but I've had a few men like you know,
do use sex scenes and it's just a little too
close like to you, like you're in like.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
What what are like teenagers and young girls in their
young twenties.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yes, but Heather, did you get the tongue that you
get slipped the tongue during some of these what did
you did you slip love scenes?

Speaker 5 (12:59):
But Doug, I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I don't remember tongue. I'm trying to.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
But I touched a penis?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Is that a problem?

Speaker 2 (13:10):
You know?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You know, first of all, I was a big sitcom
person for many years, so I did a lot of
sitcoms where that just doesn't happen. But when I did
hour longs, yeah, I feel like there was not a
lot of tongue maybe like like wet kissing. It is
just the matter, like because I especially in those years,
tongues were for movies. People really didn't do that on television.

(13:32):
There was a lot of dry humping, a lot of
dry humping, and a lot of like kissing like this, Yeah,
but and then you open so gross and weird. Yeah,
but there's no tongue. It's just so so there was that,
but there's not like booby touching, and like that didn't happen.
Things are much more advanced now in television, not in
my day. Yeah, now I'm on reality and no one

(13:54):
wants to see that.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
But I always say, like someone goes like, well do
they get an erection when you have a sex scene,
and you go, well, like you don't want them to,
but then you're offended kind of that you like, you
don't want him to do, but then if they don't,
you're like, huh, like what's wrong with me?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I think the hottest sex scene I've done in recent
years was I did a show called Sequestered for what
was sequestered on? What was that called?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I love the producers too? In every podcast, we need
to do that, but we'll just do it with I.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Just don't remember. Is that terrible streaming on crackle?

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Crack?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Crackle? Remember crackle?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes, it was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
It was like six years ago, which is like thirty hollywoods.
But anyway, so I did so there was a Crackle
and so I did this show Sequestered, and I played
like this it was only about a jury, so we
were sequestered in this thing. And so I played this
girl who turned out to be like a druggie and
she was having sex with one the other jurors or whatever,
and so I had like this kind of hot sex

(14:50):
scene with this guy that was fun.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Did you have chemistry with him? Like, did you feel
the chemistry?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I don't, you know, with him? No, but I feel
like I was at this point. I'm so old and
I just I don't think about it like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
But do you feel I feel like there's always like
you either have it or you don't with your co star,
and like you have to make a choice of like, Okay,
I'm not going to be that person's friend, right, yes,
because I've done I've done been with probably like hundreds
of probably over the years, Like I've been doing this
for like twenty five years. Like you think, like so
many guys like I've been around or whatever, and you
have to make a choice. If there's chemistry, you'll be like, Okay,

(15:25):
that's not my friend, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean, but you've done it so long. You can
create chemistry with a tennis ball. Well, right, see what
people roxyste People don't understand that too, because you know,
you you do movies, you do televisions, whatever, and they
take wide coverage and then they go in for your
close ups and sometimes your co stars don't want to

(15:48):
stand there when they're not on camera and they.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Literally an asshole move.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Oh, never I've had that. Oh I try to Sorry.
Sequestered is on Netflix.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Currently.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Oh if you want, it was on Crackling Now if
you want to find some question, you could see it
on Netflix and go watch my sex scene and I'll.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Just pass you just pass forward to the dancing. I'll
just pass forward to your sex scene.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know what? It was weird for me though, in
that particular show, I was smoking joints and cigarettes, and
so they had the fake cigarettes, which are so vile.
What do they taste like? They they taste like if
you think of like if you ever smoked a clothes Yes, yes,
it's kind of like that wheat even worse. It's really bad.

(16:32):
And I used to smoke years ago, but I quit
so long ago, so I would never like smoke a
real cigarette, but kind of like get sort of the
experience without fun.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Right, how did you quit smoking?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
I got hypnotized?

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Interesting?

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, me and Jenny McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Oh really, and it works apparently I did that for flying,
but I'm soil shipped my pants when I get.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Really, what do you do do you take drugs?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
I can wish I did, and I also I'm not
drinking right now. It seemed like a real okay, I
like a real fun You're like I used to drink
on the plane.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Okay, let's talk about this because clearly you're not on ozompic.
You weigh two pounds. That's usually the internationals about right. Yeah,
not right now. No, probably need some kegins with you. Yeah,
I know, I want to talk about that, but first
we're talk about drinking. Okay, okay, okay, So give me
your drinking like vibe and what's going on right now

(17:21):
roxy gum okay.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
So for me, I'm a tequila girl, So I like
just a glass of like nineteen forty two with like
a big ice Cela melt tumbler.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Every every day, twice a day, eight times a week.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
I know I should, I should.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I should probably drink a little more recently, I've been
trained to not drink so much during the week, kind
of be more of a weekend warrior. With that, I
find that I can get up much easier in the
morning with having to get my daughter off to school
and start work and everything. So I try not to
do it during the week, but on the weekend, Friday,
come Friday, five o'clock, I'm like, I am ready for

(17:57):
my cocktail and nothing can stop.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's bad for me. About me is that I have
such a high functioning liver that I can drink and
I still get up early, get the kids, go to
the gym, like I can hold on. That's dangerous though.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Oh but no matter what kind of alcohol it is,
because other some.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Kinds how much?

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Well yeah, interesting, I mean, I'm not like someone who
gets hung over, but look, I'm not. I don't get sloppy, right, right,
but I can I can drink, right, Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I've never been a big drinker, probably three a week always.
I love wine, but I gave it up about a
year and a half ago because it just wasn't there
was no purpose for it for me. I have anxiety.
I've always had it, probably my own childhood issues and
being a child actor and dealing with all that stuff.
I don't suffer depression, but I noticed that I would

(18:51):
drink and I would feel so much less anxious because
my dopamine would like raise. I feel so great and
not have no social anxiety, and I would love being
there and then within thirty minutes of each drink kind
of wearing off, I'd start to get more of that
anxiety because what happens is your dopamine levels lower, lower
than they were to begin with. So I'd have these
constant ballots of like panic attacks and anxiety and just

(19:11):
so much more than I would when I when I
wasn't drinking, And I was like the idea of drinking
and the amazing hour I have is not worth the
two days that I because like, so what would happen
is like I would drink on a Friday, I'd have two,
I'd feel shit on a Saturday, probably have one on
a Sunday. I'd feel shit on the Monday, Tuesday, and
then I feel great Wednesday Thursday, and then I would
do it again. So I'd have two days a week

(19:31):
where I felt clearheaded, had energy, felt less anxious, and
then I would do it again. I'm like, why am
I doing this now? Will I ever not have I
don't have a problem with alcohol. Will I ever not
drink again? I'll probably have a glass of wine at
some point on my birthday in Italy totally, but I'm
really proud of myself. It's now not a habit. It
started to become like an every Friday day thing because
I was like, thank god, I'm super anxious. I can

(19:52):
now have my drink right, and now I just don't
feel that anxiety. I'm like, I feel good, Like I
go to dinner with them and I've been to I
have dinners in LA and I haven't drank, and I've
been just as happy and not just as great of
a time. And I get home and I don't feel
like shit.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
That's good. And it's so smart to recognize how your
body functions, how it feels. My thing is is that,
like I was saying, like I feel fine, right, and
but then that's a problem because there are Look, there's
pros and cons. Like you know, it's like coffee, Like
every few years they go coffee is so bad for you,
and no one to drink coffee. And then they go, oh,
so good, you have to coffee, and they say you

(20:28):
need alcohol for cardio protection, and they're like, no, no, no,
If you drink too much, your brain's gonna go to shit.
Like it's really hard. But I would say for me
for the last first of all, you know, doing the
show that I do, there's a lot of drinking involved
and then I mean because I just enjoy it and
I and it doesn't and there's no downfall that. But

(20:51):
I do want to get I wanted to get to
a spot where I thought, Okay, I need to just
like be more in control, Like I want to not
drink drinks.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Try it for twenty one days. Look at me, I'm like,
try twenty one days is a habit.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
So this is what we did. So we came back.
We just came back from Europe and Terian are like,
this is it. We are not drinking every drinking ever again.

Speaker 6 (21:14):
We are.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
We're gonna go. We're gonna be clean because we gained
some weight. We ate a lot, we enjoyed it or
just greet I don't care. I wait to see the photos, okay,
wait to see the photo. I mean I ate. I'm
so proud of, like talking about eating issues. I'm so
proud of the way I ate ate everything I wanted to.
And I ate like a human, like you know what,
except for one night over much too much, but in

(21:36):
general ate like a human. But we can't. We come
home and we have a wedding to go to in St.
Barts in June, so we go okay, let's do this.
Let's just be incredibly healthy for the next seven weeks
until we go to Saint Barts. Let's just like, let's
not drink, let's eat super clean. It's like two days
to you.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Right now, I couldn't do it twenty four hours. Don't
do nothing.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I was good on Monday. Last night we were out.
I definitely had a glass glass's champagne. No, but you
want to know something, I literally just usually i'd have
much more. Yeah, but I wasn't it did it? No? No,
it was fine. It was just like I enjoyed it.
I sipped a little bit. There may have been a
splash in the glass when at the end of the meal,

(22:21):
Like I really it was fine. But the eating for
me is more of like I need to just to
reset myself and go through all that.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
But do you think that you and Terry drink the
same amount or the same frequency?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (22:33):
I find that for me too.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
With my husband, I feel like he's like, hey, I
can make you a margarita.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I'm gonna have one, like you know man.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yes, hell, her husband doesn't drink at all. So it's
like we sound like a real fun We do other
things we like sex. Okay, like you know, he has
a blowjob. It's fine, he's got.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
And we're back to the blows, right, It always clowes
back for a blowjob. What about weed or mushrooms?

Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know, here's the thing and this like mom like
kind of circle. The new sort of thing is microdosing.
Microdosing what mushroom?

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yes, I have done it, yes, and it's and there's
no for me, at least, there's no hangover.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I don't feel anything.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
You just feel att giggly like it's.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Do you feel like when I smoke weed? I feel high?

Speaker 5 (23:16):
No steel high. No, you feel literally happy and at
least for.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Me, I feel like this is what By the way,
this is what everyone says. I only tried to We
were at a dinner okay, No, no, we were at
a dinner with friends. I have to back up. Someone
gave me some of these chocolates because I have a
few friends that do not drink anymore, and they just
micro joe meat mushrooms. Yes, mushroom chocolates worse than other drugs, right,
and they say the same thing. It just makes me

(23:40):
happy and giggly and find an in control And there's
no like I feel stoned or I feel paranoid or
any of that. And so so my friend gave me something.
They've been sitting there for months. And we were out
to dinner with another couple like a month ago, and
the husband brought because have you guys ever tried this?
But we had already been drinking.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
There's a gateway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I took like the tiny I'm sure it did nothing,
so I didn't really I don't think I experienced it.
I would nothing. We're just like still happy and laughing nothing,
But I would like to try it because that's what
people are saying now that it just makes you giggling
and happy and there's no calories to it, and it's
like just fun.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
If you eat a pound of mushrooms, I'm sure you'd hallucinate, yes, or.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Just be what like one mushroom?

Speaker 3 (24:22):
No, No, you could eat like one mushroom. I had
like one mushroom and it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
A microdose of mushroom.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Wait, do you have the chocolates or an actual mush both.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
I've tried both.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
So I've tried the chocolates and is it different.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
I think you can maybe control the dosage more with
an actual mushroom, because you know, you see how big
the mush Sometimes the chocolates can be stronger or weaker,
different because.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
They make them.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
It falls to the left right, just like I just
too in control, like I can't Like that's why sex is.
I'm good, Like that's my drug. I feel like, you know,
I know what's gonna I know the ending. I know
I know what we're gonna get to. Like I would
take a drug, I'm like, oh, no, where we're going
with this.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
But here's the thing too, now about those kinds of drugs,
they're all like kind of designer drugs now, like they're manufactured,
you know, like especially marijuana, and my oh, it's not.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Like when I was in high school.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
Riss for sure.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I mean you know we had seeds. You didn't know
what you I mean.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yes exactly, You're like, how much my taste?

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Sixteen?

Speaker 5 (26:40):
And how about you at eighteen?

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So how do you keep the sex life fresh?

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I feel like we have to say that's a good
I mean we it's not like we're crazy, Like I mean,
I want sex more than my husband does. But I
would say twice a week and I'm happy with and
like if it's just consistent, like then then that's all
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I also do it because it calms me down, it
makes me feel good, it makes me happy. So I
almost use like yeah medicinally, like I like that. If
I'm in a bad mood, I'll be like, you can
come here. It's like really sexy, mean mommy. But when
I'm in a bad mood, I like want to have sex.

(27:27):
When I'm anxious, I want to have sex because it
makes me feel grounded. There's a lot I need to
talk to my therapists. What about you?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
So for us, I think it's like we're both on
a path of words of affirmation, like we're being.

Speaker 5 (27:40):
Very sweet to each other.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
That that makes the sex more like readily available on
both sides, like because if one of us is a
little off kilter or we're not getting along, it's harder
for us to come to that place where we want
to connect and have sex because we're kind of like
you you know, like.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Listen, I know a couple then they will have sex
even when they're fighting, like pissed.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I would do that really, yeah, but no one wants
to have sex on me mad, like I've never had
I've never had an experience with someone's like you're mad
and that's hot, like never, but I wish I would
like to raw.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Passionate.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know, you could pretend angry.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
But my husband's like, when you're angry at me, like
I can't, like I do not want to jump on
top of you, Like that is so scary. And then
imagine like you're having like sex and then like I'm
mad about the sex and he's like this is horrible.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
This is like the meaning. So now yeah, yeah, I
find that as the years go on, it gets better.
I mean, you definitely have off periods of time, especially
when you're having kids, if you're working a lot, or
you know, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Stress like that kind of don't.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Men want it less as they get older and it
works less. We have the dick dog on and he
talks about like erections, like all he does is like
make beautiful penises right.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Right, the plastic surgeon for penises.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, and operates on them, looks better, makes them bigger,
and he just says a bye. By the time guys
hit forty five, I think it is, it's really yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Start seeing a little bit and I'll tell you my
husband's sixty.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Four and it's a lot or he's getting a testo
storm shop. Maybe No, he's like no.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
He's always like ready to go, like kind of a fact.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm not saying that, but like my husband is someone
who like operates.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
A little high level, like on a very high.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Frequency all the time, and he works crazy hours, right,
and so what we have to do is make sure
that it's scheduled because or else he'll.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Just what are you scheduled?

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Are you morning, noon, night?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Days? Schedule?

Speaker 1 (29:38):
It depends, it depends on the week. It's not like Wappingers. Yeah,
it's not like that, but it's like, you know, when
we're away. I mean, first of all, hotel sex in
general is the best FoST because you're like, you know, liberated,
you're somewhere else and it's new surroundings and all, and
your kids aren't there. No one's gonna, you know, come in.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Somebody will clean the sheets for you.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
That is so grossed, but it's true. It's true you
have all those things. But also it's like your mind
can just relax and you're not thinking about what time
do you have to be up for surgery tomorrow? What time?
So our only challenge is frequency when we are at

(30:21):
home and both working. Yes, then we have to be
very very conscious and we'll just like be at dinner
and be like listen when we get home or this
week or tomorrow, or be intentional about it, so like
you're prepared, you know what I mean, Like.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Do you have it once a week?

Speaker 1 (30:36):
You think, oh, at least, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I think you're a sexual. I think you're I think
you're probably.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
There's but there's definitely listen, there's there's weeks where it
happens every day. Wow, not usually.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Your kids are old and.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
Morning, noon or night.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
I like morning, you do? I do, and I didn't
when I was younger, but I do now.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Like why I feel anything.

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I'm tired in the morning to a doornob really.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, but after I work out so much like test
offster own and like blood flowing.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I think there's something really lovely about waking up in
the morning and you're just like fresh, Like I'll go
into the bathroom freshing up a little bit, brush my teeth,
you know, like get it together, come back to bed
and have like this awesome session and then fall back
asleep for a little while, because that's the best sleep ever.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Yes, if you've gotten one out, you know, I didn't
think we're.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Gonna say that gotten one out. I think it.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Isn't that that gotten one out.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Oh my god, that's so fun. All right, So what
about you? So speaking of drugs, Okay, sure, no, because
we were talking about the mushrooms and one out, which
I still I really want to try, and now that
I'm not going to be drinking every night, right, that's
gonna happen. We were talking before about ozempic and like
everything that's going on with that. What are your thoughts
on this? Hollywood craze and now everyone you see, aren't

(32:07):
you like, I mean, are you on Olympic?

Speaker 6 (32:09):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know what's really sad. I had an eating dis
Like I was two hundred and fifty pounds when I
was younger, and I lost way and you know the story.
And then I was like, had an eating disorder, had
anorexia believe me, until I was like twenty two. And
now I'm just starting to like love my body again.
What's really sad is like even for me, there was
like a second where I was like, well that seems
like an easy way out, you know what I mean,
Like now I can just go, you know, eat what
I want and just like take something which is actually

(32:31):
not designed for me because I don't have blood sugar issues.
And plus I've heard that you have to be on
it for like the minute you stop at your husband's
a doctor, Right, doesn't the way go back on because
your appetite goes back on?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I mean, one would assume, right that if you are
losing weight because you are not eating, and then you
start eating.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Right, you're just gonna get are gonna wait how it goes?
And then how dangerous is it for people to continue
taking it for like years or whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
What he did tell me was when I asked about it,
was that these drugs have been around for so long
that I mean really for so long for the appropriate
people that actually meet them, that they're very well tested,
But that doesn't negate the fact that.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
You know, on people that don't need them, like to
have wondering for likes on people that don't need it,
Like yes, tested on people who have low sugar issue,
like of course diabetic, but I.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Think they would still know like the side effects kind
of thing. What I find scary about it is I
think it's great if if this is a true miracle
for people that really truly obviously need to know the sugar,
but if there's an obesity issue, if they're I mean, honestly,
if it's going to help someone's health, unbelievable. What I

(33:40):
hope is, and I don't know what happens after you
go off. I don't know if there's just a regular
bounce back or if it's because they're just eating more.
But what I would hope is that someone that's on
it learns how to then regulate their eating properly so
they don't go off and go crazy and go.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right backiencies too, like if you're just not if it
says that it makes you nauseous and you're not eating
well how much you're like.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
You are you getting enough calories?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
And also like you're probably not gonna drink a juice
that's going to make you feel like nauseous or a salad,
So like, what are you you just eating two pieces
of bread because you feel nauseous and you're still losing
weight because you're not eating that much fun but you're
not getting the right or like vitamins if you feel nauseous.
I don't want to take vitamins. So these people just
like sick in other ways.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
It scares me. I mean I didn't have I mean
I think women in general, and to some degree all
we all have eating disorders at some stage of our lives,
from the media, from friends, from from whatever it is.
But I remember when I was in my young twenties
and out here as an actress, and the whole thing
finn was very, very big. Yes, I mean to the

(34:42):
point where I remember going into clothing stories with a
girlfriend of mine and we would care so much about
the number, not even what we looked like. We wanted
to squeeze into the smallest number, and you wanted no
one wanted to butt. You wanted to be a snowboy,
but no, but no, you wanted to be like you
wanted to disappear.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I was like a but I'd feel like I needed
to get rid of them.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Sizing came in to play too, yes, or they changed
the sizing because they knew that women especially wanted to see,
you know, a lower number, which.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Is just so crazy. But I forget where I was
going at that, But it was about the ozempic thing.
But I guess for me, like I I'm seeing girls
who I know of a fitness instructor was on ozempic.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh, and then she's telling her clients that they can
have her body like hers where she's lying, like I
mean's she's taking something for her to look that way.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
It's just like our whole world now. I mean, back then,
it was we were inundated, like I was saying when
I was in my twenties, like we were inundated with images.
But it was like it was so stressful, I think
was what I was about to get to. It was
so stressful and we just didn't eat at all. I
smoked cigarettes. And I drank Diakiss and maybe a scoop
down big yeah, rice cakes, right yes, and that and

(35:55):
that was that was it, And that's all you ate.
And I hate to think of like people getting back
into that culture. But here we are again with the
body images and the everything, and and with social media
right telling us how we're supposed to look.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Well, it's really hard to open up social media and
the median on TV and everything and not well. And
also not to judge when you see somebody who has
had like a very dramatic weight loss. And I think
we know some of these people because they're all in
some circles, you know, it's hard to not immediately go
to that and be like, oh, that's probably a zempic.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah, like that looks like a zembic face.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
That looks like an ozempic body.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
You know what is ozempic face? I think it starts
to hit Yeah, it's just because you're losing weight.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I think it's a bit of both.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I think you're losing weight, and then it also like
ages the skin.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
It takes the moisture out cauld. I just look, I'm like,
I guess that's my bot. I always say to my
husband now because I'm like, you know, late thirties. I'm
like thinking it's my butt or my face at this point,
like honestly, like it's probably better for me to have
a couple more probably six pounds heavier than I used
to be, and that's probably better, looks younger anything like that.
Although I'm supposed to go in tomorrow, I'm really scared,

(37:05):
and I'm like, what about disport? Is disport better?

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I never did disport the difference. I think they're basically
the same. I think I think disp.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Ever make you feel heavy. Yes, I don't want to
feel heavy. I haven't told them to go light, okay,
but like how light? What, honey is?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
I don't know you do? I don't you know what
I've been getting it done for so seriously, you just
don't know. You know, it has an accumulative effect. I
get it done now like once every two years.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
You can that long.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
I just had it done maybe four months, three months ago,
which is why I feel like a little frozen right now,
even though I can still move everything. But I think
the time I had it it was probably two years.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Before, right.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
That's great though, it's cumulative.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I mean, so if you if you could choose two
things that you think are like beauty hacks that aren't like,
you know, drink water, but like botos, I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Like, yeah, especially when I know, like no, for real,
someone's had a face lift and they're like a magazine,
They're like, what do you do to stay? So you
og water?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
So what are the two things that you think? Like
And surgery is fine whatever, that is the biggest difference
on a female face or body.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So I have not done surgery, right, but I'm not
certainly not against a payer mortgage and you never know,
and I could get there, but I'm I'm really like,
I'm very into the non surgical things. I think botox
is great, amazing, Okay, I really do. I think botox
is amazing, And I think sculpture is amazing.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
That's fillers.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
So it's not fillers like collagen oer fillers. The restall
in those are fillers. Sculpture is it's like this agent
that they put in you that it regrows your own collagen.
So it was developed for AIDS patients who get very skeletal,
right and they lose facial fact so they inject in
you kind of like a fertilizer. And it regrows your

(38:59):
own collagen, so you don't look like filmed. Like I'm
lucky to have nice cheekbones, but when I get thin
my temples and like the hollows like under under the cheekbone,
have a look this and this, those can get really
sunk in. So that can revive you and you never

(39:19):
think about your temples, but like when you bring them
back out, it's a huge difference. And he'll put some
also in the back of my jaw, which he'll just pull.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
This is my little.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Starts to say that.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I don't have the the thing, but my I don't
like the neck. And what I did for that, I
did you. I don't know if you follow me, but
I just did a CO two mixed O fractionated laser.
So I'm scared of everything, to be honest with you,
but I did it. And I told her to go
very light, which she did, and I peel how long

(39:55):
it took the whole thing was like eight nine days.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Was it very painful because the two laser couldn't The.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Actual procedure I did not find painful. I mean, honestly,
they give you drugs and yumming cream. I was fine. Yeah,
Valium was body flushing, you know, yeah, micros So that
was it. But like a couple of days afterwards, it
was kind of felt like I was on fire. Right.

(40:20):
That was not comfortable, right, But then it was fine.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna try that. I do BBL broadband light.
That is Yeah, it's really incredible. If you see, like
I've done ten sessions, I'm really fifty three and so
broadband light is like this really intense light that like
damages below the surface. So your body like again, like
you know, rejuvenates like BBL broadband light. And I'm going
to show you my off camera. I'm going to show

(40:44):
you my neck before and after and it just tighten
it exponentially.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Are you like, is this an advertisement?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
No, No, but it could be. Could you. Uh, we're
in our session. So if you've got any brands, throw.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Them my way. No, but that's what I would think.
So you like that? What else do you guys?

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Like franchise the verge of doing CO two as well.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
I just have to find the time to like do
the downtime.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Do it with PRP.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
So this is what she did. She did she took
my blood spot it PRP and she injected it I honestly,
my under eyes are good. But she injected it under
my eyes because she said it rejuvenates and and helps
the skin, and then put it all over me. Oh
and face, neck and deck did the whole thing. Did
the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (41:24):
Okay, do you feel like that helped with the recovery
time as well? I need reservice, yes, you know what.
And the hyper pigmentation.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
It helps with those things. I had been to the
dermatologists and I had like a few little things whatever
they were, like burn them off, and then the nurse
was like, just get resurface. Resurface surfacing is good because
it takes off I guess.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Like what the first resurface.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
A little bit of micro eating needling is good.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Sometimes it's it's very similar. It's it's just more intense.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Right, I feel like it's the same. But what about
moxy or MorphOS?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I did the Morpheus eight also, so maybe ten fifteen
years ago, I did a Excel laser. It ruined my
skid for a year, and I got terrified to do
anything else. Okay, so I didn't do anything. But then
in the last eight months, I'm looking at the neck.
I'm looking at the thing I'm I just turned fifty four,
and I'm like, I've got to like do something. So
I did three sessions of Morpheus eight and I have

(42:18):
to say, like, I think it really heightened. Yeah, I
mean especially the neck area, which I was really I mean, look,
it's not going to look twenty five, right, but I
thought it did a nice job. And I have to
say I thought that the CO two laser I just
also did I think And I also like, I have
botox injected into my neck. Does it help?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Do you think? Yes? Do you feel like you like,
is there any feeling? I'm always about the feeling. No,
So you just wouldn't even know it was like doing anything.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
You're totally fine.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
You know a lot of friends have been getting the
blasphemy it's the eye eye surgery.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
I can't think of the name of it. Blasted for
me or whatever.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yes, yeah, a blephoplastic.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah I bought yet watch your face like we'll just
get the last day.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
But that's like, I mean, maybe like somewhere down the line,
just you know, there's just this part under my eye
that bothers me a lot.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
This is my feeling. Whatever makes you happy is what
you should do. You have to be able to look
in the mirror and go I'm happy, I'm good. Although,
to be totally honest, I was at yesterday and so
it was at this house and I'm walking through the
house and it was like everything was set up in
different rooms, so you had to like walk through the
bat one of the bathrooms at one way to get
to the nights room. And I caught sight of myself

(43:30):
in the mirror. Was no bueno, like the eyes, the
overhead light, it was all kinds of bad. And I
looked at the mirror. I'm like, oh wow, I'm just
gonna look that way.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And I turned the marror anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
No, I'm so good at doing my makeup that I
can not look.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
I just say, I'm sure it's close enough. I think
it's all good. Do you put filters on your pictures?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
I mean, if I feel like I'm having not a
great like looking day, I will.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I will. I'm like good stories on and off, it depends.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
I won't do them.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Like if I do ten stories, I'll have half one
half off, okay, Because I feel like people actually don't
love seeing filters on people. It's so obvious, Like when
I see it actually makes me go so like, I
hate it when I do it on myself, but I
do do it, but I really I don't do it
on my feet posts.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
If I'm the pictures far away enough, Like lately we've
been posting some full body things, right, I feel like too,
like I won't filter that because it's kind of like
far away, you.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Know, show like what you know, I went to the
Spa and everyone was naked one of those.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Well Karan the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Best, it's my mame.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
It's so weird that you're saying this because we used
to I used to go there years ago and apparently
they just redid the.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Joint, so like it's firstly too, you know, it's not
like you know, Korean spot pay like ninety bucks two
hundred dollars for like a treatment, which is like doubled.
What what it is?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Is it the same place? Yes, let me kind of
say something. This place used to be crazy. You would
walk through, you'd have to walk around naked. They give
you basically a whi cloth to walk.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Around and they wouldn't like wear They're like no, no,
take it off, and then you'd lay.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
There and they would take out some kind of crazy
loof thing and they would scrub each inch till they
almost had bone and then they move on. But you
went out of there glowing. But it's the same place right.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Same place is there, And I was like, oh my god, no,
I know what you look like naked, and it's.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Just like that's why I don't want to go. When
I first start.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Your body's amazing. When I first started, I was like,
oh my gosh, I don't want to do this. And
then I saw everyone was like full naked and that
all different sizes, and I was like, I look good.
And then at the end of it, I was like
I look good and everything was out and I was like,
my legs are up here, my legs up here. I
was like, this is good. But in the beginning I

(45:47):
was like no.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
I was like, super, how do we just get onto that?
You were talking about something.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
That's naked with.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
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Let me ask you this, how do you guys feel
about staying relevant? So, I, you know, like I've had
I've morphed my podcast recently. I'm trying to we're evolving

(47:02):
the podcast to change the name. I have different thoughts
about who I'm speaking with and what we're talking about,
and and not saying it all has to be very heavy,
but just it's a little more intentional in what I think,
you know, my audience wants to hear and what we're
talking about and what's important to all of us right
now at this second. But I look at all the

(47:23):
things that I do because I know both of you
do so many different things. How do you feel about
like keeping up with the latest you know, app or
thing or whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I mean, I feel like it's sort of being content
creators and being a content creator and working in like,
you know, the Hollywood space and on the red carpet,
at least for me, like I sort of have to
stay in the know of those things just to like
keep the business going. Does it give you anxiety?

Speaker 5 (47:51):
It does?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
It does, because all of a sudden there's like a
new app that's out, because you know, TikTok will get lemonade, right,
because might get.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, the new lemon eight.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
I shouldn't have said it, because now we can't be
the first on it.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
All your listeners, I'm writing down as if I know
how to do anything.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, But I think it's part like when you're in
this sort of like especially the content creation space, you
kind of have to be on it, you know, And
I think there is a part of you know, part
of the business where you have to stay relevant in
some way. You know, it's kind of the name of
the game. It is, it's part of the name of
the game.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
So I launched this network on this Have you heard
of Fireside?

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
So Fireside is Mark Cuban and Folen Fatamy's new platform
is the first interactive by the way, I want to
have you guys on. It'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yes, I want to be If I can meet Mark Cuban,
I would my whole dreams would be realized. Like I
just I'm so obsessed. I'm so obsessed with these adorable
I just want to.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Like, say, he's the nicest guy, so down to earth
and he tells dad jokes.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I'm just telling my god, I'm obsessed anyway.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
So so they asked me to do the first lifestyle
network on this platform, which was great, And it's been
like a year in the making and we just started
the first show and you know, we've all done these
kinds of things for so many years. Talking is not
a problem. But it was just interesting figuring out this new,
you know, way of communicating and trying to bring people

(49:15):
up on stage, and you know, just using the technology
was very intense. I was exhausted after it, exhausted and
not from doing the show, just from like a life.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Look, I think that's part of our job. Like for me,
I've got to like make a ton of money and
stay with my kids. And I feel like, so, you know,
I make more money and content creation than acting. I've
been acting for twenty two years. I make more doing
a fun post for Avyon than I do being on
Prettle Liars. You know, that's that's wild to me that
I've you're able to monetize it, So you know, there's

(49:48):
Elizabeth Gilbert has this book called Big Magic, and she
says every job has a shit sandwich, and every job,
no matter what it is, your husband has to get
up super early and he has to like deal with
things that we don't have to deal with because we're
con creators and he doesn't have to deal with because
he's not. But every job has a shit sandwich, and
it just depends what you're willing to like put up
with or deal with or get anxiety over based on

(50:09):
like what you do. And like people put down influencers
all the time in content Craaz, I'm like, it's a
fucking full time job. It's five to nine, it's not
nine to five. It is a lot of work. And
if you don't think it is, then do it. It
is a lot of work. I write my content, I
edit my content, I film my content, I reply to everyone.
I'm constantly Like brand deals. You know, I had a
brand deal three videos. It took me like a week

(50:31):
and a half to shoot it, you know, because it's
so much and that's why you get paid for it.
And like it's a full time job. And there is
there such thing as a shit sandwich. Absolutely, Like I
wake up I'm anxious every day because there's for me,
there's no consistency. Like sometimes I'll make so much money
in a month and then like I won't for two months.
Like there's not like that constant. You don't get a salary, no,

(50:51):
and it's up to you hard to play and like
your people and like your children in school camp. And
it's also like you know, brands right now we're in
like this mini recession, like they're tightening their belts, so
like how does that play out in our world? And
like the ad deals and all that kind of stuff.
But I feel like it is a difficult business. But
I'm really grateful that it's a business that I can

(51:13):
do on the side while I build the acting part,
because it gives me the flexibility. So I eat that
shit sandwich, you know, and I know that it's a
shit sandwich. And I really believe in labeling things and
going like this sucks. I'm so anxious, but this is
my shit sandwich that I'm eating because I get to
pick up my kid at four every day, right, I.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
So agree with that. And and for me, you know,
when I first had my kids, we didn't have any
of this. It was very isolating, very lonely, and unless
you were sitting around waiting for your agent to call
you and dry like you were just like home with
your kids. There was no way to create content. I
am so fully grateful now that I get to do
all these things. And I've done that same thing too,
which I've tried to take jobs or create jobs for

(51:54):
myself that I can do within the parameters of them
being in school. What's interesting for me right now is
that with two kids in college, my third is sixteen,
she's a sophomore in high school and driving, and then
my youngest is twelve, so he's not that far off.
I sort of see the light at the end of

(52:14):
the tunnel. And so I'm now thinking where am I
funneling all this too? Because now for me, I think
content and I also think as your kids get older,
content creation also takes on a different role in your life,
like I'm right now, I which is part of the
evolution of the podcast. But I also feel like I

(52:34):
want to help people names.

Speaker 5 (52:37):
How can we serve?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
How can we serve?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yes, you make money, not that it's about that, but
sometimes it has to be.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
But it's okay about to make money, you know. I
don't feel like that's I know why you have to
say that, because I say that too.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Women have to say that, Yeah, like mo man goes
and goes, I'm going to make money, and they go
women are like, because I love making money. Actually just
ends up I.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Like making money too. I just old my house. I
designed that house exactly, I made that money. I'm excited
about that. That was good. But you're not allowed to
do it.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
It's still like a thing about like, well, just don't
make too much you know, or don't like say you or.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Don't talk about it.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
But it's okay to serve and make money. One of
the reasons I went back to housewives is because I
thought I could use that platform to like start conversations
and other people's families about having children that are gay
or what our family looks like, and you know, and
and maybe start those conversations. And we've been able to
do it helps people. Yeah, and if you can help

(53:35):
one person, you've done an amazing job. But think about
the platforms that we all have. So it's I completely
agree with that, the gratitude of all of that.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Do you feel like there's pressure to stay relevant? Like,
do you also kind of feel a little bit of No, I.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Worry, you know what I worry about. Honestly, I worry
that it would be very easy for me to sink
into an abyss of nothingness. I really do, and and
no one would care.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
And that's I remember, because you don't need to work, right,
you know, but no, you want to.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I love love it.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I love it, love it feeds you.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, and you know I'm creative and on all these things.
But you know, I remember driving to auditions when I
was younger, and I have anxiety, like thank you, Tim,
And I remember driving the othershes of being like I
could just turn around. No one would know, no one
would care whatever, But you don't. You go and you
get there and you do it and you and you
do the thing. But I the one thing I don't
worry like, oh, I need to stay relevant. I worry

(54:26):
that if on those days that we all have that
are dark and sucky, that I will go, oh, forget it,
it's too hard. I'm just gonna sink. I'm happy. I've
got a great family I've got and then I go
through those moments and then I go, but you know what,
I can help people, and I'm going to continue to

(54:46):
do that. And if that that that's my big goal
and if other things come from it, great.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I think it's hard to be you know. The movie
that I did was really hard for me, the one,
even though it's like a funny movie, because the character
just want to be seen. She feels invisible. And so
my acting coach was like, if you do this well,
it's going to cost you, Like you're going to come
home every night and like feel exhausted. And I did
because I feel that. I think a lot of women
feel that about like especially aging and NLA or whatever,

(55:15):
especially in this business that like when am I going
to be invisible, Like when is it going to end?
And it's weird that we have such a hustle culture
here that like we have to be in the public
eye and relevant all the time because that means that
we are enough when like there are people in Europe,
I mean, you know they feel enough, just like by
dancing in the street and drinking wine and being with
their family. It's like, I think it's more ingrained in

(55:37):
the women here and in America more than anywhere else.
Like Amsterdam is like they say, Amsterdam's like the happiest
place in the entire world, and as a very socialist country,
and it's like, you know, everyone's just just a community
and they're not like you know, I'm not saying, Look,
I love being success, wanting to be successful, trying to
be successful. That drives me. But the problem with that
is when I'm not or perceived that i'm not, I

(55:59):
don't like myself, you know, when I'm not in the
press or I'm not you know, constantly hustling or getting
deals or like someone loving my movie, then I don't
feel like I'm worth anything. And that's a big thing
that I'm dealing with with my therapist of like, if
it's not about looks and work, then what have I right? Like,
what do I have left?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
That's why it's so it's hard to do. But that's
why it's so important to compartmentalize your life. Because my
feeling is is that my theory always is that everyone
wants to be famous, right on some level, just know
or like make a mark, right, But like you're saying,
being seen, she makes the best cast role in town,
she throws the best party, right, Like everyone wants to
be famous, to be seen and heard and felt. But

(56:41):
what I've come to realize, I'm older than you. What
I've come to realize is that those things are very separate.
And what I know about being famous, and let's just
call it that. But you understand what I'm saying is
so I was just on this trip with Terry and
only two of the kids, right, But we were there
and there were such incredible moments. There wasn't a minute

(57:04):
I thought about my career. There wasn't a minute I
thought about I'm walking into a restaurant and who knows
me or who doesn't around me? There was not one,
I mean, except for when I had to deal with
things like email, whatever, and they had to take those moments.
But other than that, so present at one hundred percent
present the entire time, because that's truly what your life

(57:28):
is about. And when you can get to that place
and really compartmentalize and separate the rest, it becomes much easier.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
So you were able to kind of put your phone down,
because that's hard for me too, even on a vacation
or on a tribunal.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
You have to be intentional about first of all, this
is what I always do for a trip. I clean
out my email box it says no emails.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
And then I will allow myself I'm scared how many hundred.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
That's crazy?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Mine are bad at this second, but there's only twenty four.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Because you know what it's like, clutter. I don't like clutter.
It gives me anxiety. I'm someone who would clean my
desk before i'd study clean the room like I just
I need the right environment and all that. So if
there's too much clutter in my brain or on my
phone or whatever, I can't relax. And so what's helped
me is being I'm very organ I know you are too,

(58:25):
but I'm hyper organized until I so organized. You're not organized?

Speaker 2 (58:29):
No, no, okay, well I am, but I'm not. Like
I'm a little messy. But I have a husband who's
very clean, so it works balance, you know what I mean.
But I but I but I'm organized, like I'll never
miss something like I hate light like that gives me
such anxiety even coming here because if something else was late,
like I was like I had poop pain, I was like,
oh my god, I want to poo my pants. I
really can't be late. That's just because I was an actress,

(58:49):
Like I can't be late on set. I will never
let you down. And I'm organized, like for stuff like this.
But am I organized? Am I organized to pack my suitcase?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
I'm hyper organ And I'm not saying everyone has to
be that way, but that's this is my way. Because
when you can't control everything, which we can't, we control, right,
So I can't control the way, you know, what happens
to my kids in the world, But I can control
feeding them well and making sure they're safe in as
many ways as I can. Right, I can't control what's

(59:21):
going to go on in my career, but I can
control you know how I'm putting myself out in the
world and how I'm intentionally doing things. So I'm controlling
the things I can control and it really relaxes the brain.
I also have designed. Yeah, and I've been trying to
get to do ketamine, which I wanted to talk to about. Well,

(59:43):
this is what I heard. I have not done it,
but I had to scheduled. This is every day. No, no,
not every day.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I care about academy.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
No, here's like a thing, like you know, some people
go to ayahuasca, some people do mushroom therapy, and and
then there's a ketamine therapy. So people are saying people
are saying that you can do a few sessions of
ketamine therapy with a doctor or like, and it'll help
you and it will sort of reset your anxiety. Like
this is a thing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
So I had set the whole thing up to do it,
and I was so busy and so anxious about everything
that was going on. I'm like, I don't have time
to do sit there and have this anti anxiety perhaps
lessening drug. But in me, I don't have time for that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Why do you think you're anxious? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Where a company? It's biology some of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
I think some of it's genetic, of course, but I
also think that it's environment, it's it's trauma. It's like
there's a few things that make up an anxiety bucket.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeap.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I don't think it's just genetic, but like, is there
anything else that you can pull your finger on? Is
it living here?

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Why is it? I think that it's probably a bit
of everything, of course, I mean everyone. Of course. I've
got four kids, I've got a husband, I've got, you know,
a career I'd like to reignite in ways that hasn't
been reignited in years. I I, you know, we're figuring
out where we're going to live and what we're gonna do.
I have a parent that's aging, you know, like, there's

(01:01:04):
there's all of it, but that's all under buckets that
I would call regular life, normal stress and anxiety. And
I think it's normal for people have anxiety and people
that have none. I don't understand at all. Oh, but
I think my unnatural anxiety is biological, right, and so
I'm always looking for wis But I will tell you
for me exercise which I wish. I wish someone had

(01:01:26):
given me that gift. Thirty years ago, because I've only
been doing it for like fifteen years, but it has
been life game changing for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Oh yeah, elfaning is life changing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I take that too at night Elthian and something called
calm that you could put in us press. Yeah that's good.
All right, we're out of time. I could talk to
you guys for like hours. I love you both. So
tell everyone how to find you at social, how to
find the pod, promote the movie again, anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Well, you can find us on the podcast. We're Women
on Top anywhere you get your podcasts anywhere anyway, And
we're Women on Top Official on Instagram and TikTok and
Women on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Top Podcast on Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah I always get on wrong, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And I'm Tim and Sars. I create really funny content.
I don't know. Do we follow each other. I think
we do follow you. I do follow you. I try
to make people laugh feel less alone. And I have
a movie called Blood, Sweat and Cheer. It's me literally
with a cheerleading outfit on I know you're welcome. Look
did you see that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I mean this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
But do you see?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah? Oh my, that's me.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
That's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Look like my character goes crazy. Yeah, she lost she's
lost her tam and stars like on old socials, TikTok,
you have TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I do? This is so me. I was locked out
of TikTok for like a year and a half. Would
you do I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
I wait, you were out because you didn't know what
to work the phone or I did something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
No, no, no, they didn't kick me off. You just
I couldn't. My password wasn't working.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
It's really scary.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
I know it is. It is scary. Yes, so we
have to follow you on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
By the way, follow me on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
I'm Red Carpet Roxy on Instagram and all the socials
except for TikTok Roxy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Manning oh one and it's Roxy with a wife.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Okay, there we go. Thank you guys so much for
being here, and thank all of you for being here.
We will see you next time. Bye bye. Thank you
so much for being here, and thank you all for listening.
Stay tuned for the next episode of Let's Talk.