Ruin My WEEKND w/ Liz Astrof

Don't you hate the imposition of fun? Veteran TV writer and beloved friend of the pod LIZ ASTROF tells Heather every painful moment of seeing The Weekend at SoFi Stadium! PLUS: Is it okay to ugly cry in college? Have you ever forgotten to press submit on your college application? And what is Kelly Clarkson's office toilet like?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's talk with Heather de bro starts. Now, Oh my gosh,
well one of my faves. Liz ass jobs here today.
We've already we've been talking so much. I'm like, wait,
we should just really start recording now. We were talking
about the kids and I we have a lot to
talk about. She went to the weekend concert. We're gonna
hear about that. There's a lot going on in the meantime,
we were just talking about the kids. I want to
tell you so so funny. So you know Kat's going

(00:28):
to Yale she is. Do you not know this?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
No?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, okay, so Cat's.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Going to eat. Didn't she go somewhere else before? No, No,
she's just graduated. She's going to Yell Yell the college.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, the college. Wow. But Max goes to Toughs right, great,
great school. I think it had a seven percent acceptance
right the year that she got in. Nikki goes to
LMU Business School, like they all got into really good school.
But when I say Yale, people go crazy, and it
almost it.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I just went crazy.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I know people always do. So I had met this
group of moms somewhere and I'm not gonna say where
because I don't want to call them. But I was.
I was somewhere. It wasn't local. I was with these
groups of moms and we were talking and they were
with their kids and the kids were running around. They're like, oh, yeah,
kids are just all graduated whatever. I'm like, oh, that's
so great mine too. Where they going to school. It's

(01:21):
just like, oh, this one's going here, this one's going there,
and that one's going Harvard. And they went. And the
way they said Harvard was so like before it. Oh yeah,
there was like quotes around it. There was confetti flying
Harvard and I was like, wait, everyone's looking at me. Harvard.
It was like that. And all the other moms were
like bobbing their heads and they were all going to

(01:42):
like good schools TCU, this one and that one whatever, Michigan,
what's TCU, Texas Christian Universey or maybe it was U
T Austin. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
They were all good schools whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Do you know how hard it is to get into school?
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You're never again to following.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
My mom is such a school snob, right, so does
be so proud? It's too proud, like it's obnoxious. But anyway,
so they do this Harvard thing, and I'm laughing, and there.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I would love someone to be obnoxious.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
They go, where are you going? Where's your daughter going?
And I said yeah, and they went oh wow. And
the Harvard mom goes, She goes, oh does she play sports?
And I so does?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
And I so desperately wanted to say, no, she's just smart.
Did you no? I what did you say to she?
I said no, no, she's actually a filmmaker. And the
Harvard mom's kid was like a soccer player or something. Anyway,
I'm not throwing shade. I think it's great. Get in
however you get in. But it was just the whole
interaction was so funny to me, and it just led

(02:41):
me down this path of I just so you know,
do not care where my kids go. I don't care.
I think it's wonderful and I'm so proud of all
of them and their achievements that they've done. But the
truth is, I would never want my kid to go
to school they don't belong at, because then they wouldn't
be successful and they'd be anxiety ridden and miserable whatever.

(03:04):
But honestly, you just want your kid to be happy.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yes, yes, And I mean, I guess but show but
it's true.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But I never from preschool.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
This has been going on where parents have been had
their kids on this track and I didn't. And every
single time there was time to go to a new school,
from preschool to elementary to middle to high school, it
was this competition that I could not be part of.
I would come out of my skin and I would
just have to walk away. But like one of my
friends got a college counselor for her kid when he

(03:35):
was in seventh grade, and I'm just trying to get
my kid to be comfortable in his skin or know
how to enter a conversation. And we're at social skills
boot camp at.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, I mean I needed it for sure, But it's
like that kind of stuff of like make it to
the next day, make it to find your people.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
But you have to know first of all, you have
to know your kid. That's why you're a great mom.
You're taking care of what needs to be Am I
or Am I lazy? Because I feel like I'm not.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I don't put great is he he's going into twelve,
she's going into ten.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
You're at twelfth and tenth.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
They're so old and I'm that's I'm so upset about it.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Where is he going? Where is he going to go
to college?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:20):
She paused, he doesn't play any sports?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Is Jewish? Did I ever tell you that?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
He came home from football once when he was little
and he goes, mom, was Woody Allen a good football player?

Speaker 2 (04:32):
And I go why? And he goes, My coach said,
I remind him of a young Woody Allen.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And he is he is, And You're like, sorry, but
your genetics screen otherwise was Jewish anyway, So I don't
he wants to be in He's been obsessed with paleontology
since day, so he like logs like paleontology facts all day.
But that's a really good niche it.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Is wants to go there's no jobs in paleontology, but
what he wants to go into is like some kind
of bio he wants to do, like research.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Of animals, things specific the schools there's it feels like
it would be Cardigy Bellen.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Isn't that acting?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
They have dramatic there's science, math really huge, very hard
to he he is.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's so interesting because he's not good at science or math.
He's not he doesn't thrive, but he works really hard
now but in ninth grade, so he's into like bio
ecology like things like that, and he's really into animals
and he's really into like we watched all those like
David Attenborough things and me too.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
What I just I was just looking it up. Yale
actually has a good paleontology pro Yale has a good
paleontology progress.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Oh yeah, okay, how are we get to play basketball?

Speaker 1 (05:59):
No? But I'm can I tell you something that NICHE programs.
It is a very good thing. Like I have a
friend whose daughter really wants to go to n YU.
Didn't have the grades for it, but she, I mean
she did. The grades were fine. I'm not saying she
had bad grades. I'm just saying, like school was so
competitive now, but it wasn't a shoe. Now ninth grade

(06:19):
counts and it just wasn't a shoe. And it's like,
but she applied to the social worker program, right because
legitimately that's what she want to do. What she got
in and she loves it and she's thriving there and
all those things. But I'm saying I think NICHE is great.
I think the big problem with a lot of schools now,
having put three kids through this whole applying to college

(06:39):
thing is that everyone wants to be in the business
or the engineering and competitive.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yes, And also his friends are doing like economics and
stuff and all these things.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
And he's not that kid. But he's not that kid.
That's not where he's going to end up.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
But the other night he the other night at midnight,
at one o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
So Phoebe has all her stuff. We're up all night
with her, like panic attacks. She had a horrible year
ninth grade. The girl she thought were her friends dumped her.
That happened to me too, Oh my god, to your
kid me, Oh well, I mean, but you weren't fat.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I was.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I know, I wasn't a fat.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Don't call it.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's you are insane.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Fine though, like there was a long kidding I'm kidding,
but when we were younger, that's what kind of mattered.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
But it's still matters. She's not trust but she is not.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
She was in the shadow of this girl, and the
girl just went off and she found out that there
was a chat that she wasn't on and with her friend,
her friend a friend groups and clicks and she's very shy,
so she wanted to change schools. And this has been
going on for three years since middle school, and it's
just been it's just been awful and I have no
boundaries and I engage. We have this therapist now to

(07:56):
help me and my husband have like like tough love
of like when she freaks out and has these tantrums,
we have to leave the house. We have to drive
away so and then not come back until she's more mature,
which is going to be in a year. But the
other night, this is to be quick, but there's this
whole screaming, like screaming.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Fight every shings going to be a sophomore this year, Yes,
screaming fight.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
She is the only kid that didn't go up to
JV volleyball and it was totally personal and for some
reason the coach is like gunning for her. I don't
understand why because she's decent.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
So anyway, so.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
We're everyone screaming blah blah blah blah. My dog is
like hiding under the bed. I hear my car along
go off and then it stops, and then it goes
off and then it stops and then again and again,
and then the front door opens and Jesse has a
blanket over his shoulders and hugging a pillow, trudges upstairs.
He tried to sleep in my car, but the door's locked,
and every time he rolled over the alarm. But anyway,

(08:52):
this because her like she just hides, but he did
too until he was a nice when he was at age.
So anyway, so with him the other night, he realizes
because severe ADHD doesn't take his meds, realized it one
in the morning that he forgot to take a quiz
online for the college course he's taking and he lost
his mind and he was so upset, and I did

(09:14):
not instead of engaging in that, I was like, Jesse,
you're lucky, you're not dead like some other kids.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I just said, Phoebe said she wants to die.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
The other day, go you know what, Phoebe, that's not
nice because some kids are dead. So I said, Igo,
you're not dead, you didn't kill anyone, you're not like,
you're healthy. And I was like, you can't ugly cry
like this in college. So now that's what we really
need to work on. Let's let's work on you can't cry.
If you're going to cry, you go into another room.
Social skills, but do not make that face like that

(09:47):
on the verge of hysterics, mouth open like eyes like.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
I was like, we need to work. The biggest lesson
here was do not ugly cry like that in college.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I like that, that's a good take home.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And then the teacher shower showers, don't cry.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Don't ugly cry in public, not even if you're trying
to be funny.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
No, and so he yes, so we so that, and
then the teacher unlocked the text test for him today.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh it's nice. But he used his resources. No, he
used his resources. He went to the teacher.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
But because of these schools that handhold, he doesn't realize consequences,
like these schools that they go to where the teacher
gives you another chance or you can make up for it,
or it's just a suggestion, dude. So the other thing
is he was supposed to shadow of that Marian for
animal science class and he didn't press submit on the amplication.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It's fine this story before, at least in my house.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Your kids are so like, it's because you don't care,
and I I just want them to. But then the
other Okay, well I told I've told the story before.
But just briefly when they when I was applying to
kindergarten for the twins, it.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Was what school was that it was in Newport. It
was so it's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
It was so upsetting. And there's this one school, like
God forbid you to get into this kindergarten. They were
never going to Yale. Do you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It was like yes, and so I'm not even planning
on being alive.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
It was crazy. And I had two to get in,
a boy and a girl, and you know, they were
very different. One was more cerebrald than the other, right,
and one got on the wait list and one didn't
get in at all. That is very and I cried
my ass and some of the other mothers were very
fucking smug. I was so upset. It was so bad,
and Terry thought I was ridiculous. We ended up putting

(11:30):
in this other school that was very like old fashioned
and schluppy, and then Nikki ended up staying there through
eighth grade. Max ended up switching to this other school whatever.
They were all fine. And my take on my take
home message to everyone listening, because we are going off
on the schools and the things that we're doing right
and wrong. I'm telling you they all end up at

(11:53):
the right place and they're all fine. And if they
don't like it, or you don't like where your kids
at school, I don't care if it's kindergarten, third grade, eighth,
make a change. It's okay. Make agent Katerina. We moved
back to la and kat did eleven to twelfth grade
at a new school. She made friends, she thrived, she
did great, she got into Yale. All I'm saying is

(12:16):
they will be fine. But this is what I did
after kinder She doesn't there are no sports. She really
tried to play basketball. It was very cute. Every time
she made a basket, she'd go wow. I know she
was surprised that it happened. We're not athletes, no, But
what I would say is, after that kindergarten debacle, I said,

(12:38):
I'm not doing this anymore. That's why I was and
I took a step back, and I said, listen to children.
Guidance counselor. I did get because I had one in
high school too. Like where I grew up, the people
did that. But a lot of times your guidance counselor
at school, these days is very helpful. But I did
get private guidance counselors, and I said, if you want
to choices, do well, and if you care, I will

(13:00):
help you. I will be your cheerleader. Whatever. But I
am not suffering this. You will end up at the
right spot. And everyone went somewhere good. Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
You know what I I Phoebe had this friend, this
ex friend that whenever we would drive by Harvard Westlake,
she would say, I got in there, but she went
to Windward And I said to her, you know my
brother and I My brother went to Penn. He went
to this like best business school in the country, Ivy League.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, I went to a party school. I got all
b's in high school. I was not a student.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
We have the same job right now, right, it does
not matter. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Ball roads lead to Jerusalem. It's true. You just don't.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, you have to go somewhere. And also, I remember
reading a study. I'll probably say this is totally fucking wrong,
but it was something like the top third of the
class of colleges that are like let's say there's the
eye leagues, right, and let's say whatever is a step
below them. Okay, the top third of those schools do

(14:05):
better than the bottom third of the ivys, right, that's true.
So so I just want to put this out like,
I think it's wonderful that the kid my kids are
all in good schools, but if they weren't, if they
were in a school they weren't supposed to be at,
it's not right for them. So these like when that
whole college scandal thing happens, or people that buy their
way in or whatever, all that stuff, it's just to

(14:26):
me make for why why it's for the parents.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
It's for the parent, But I mean the bread I mean,
I just and I'm the person who always like downplays
my kids accomplishments and things like that because it's funny,
but also because I mean, I'm not really downplaying them.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
But you know what might do that too there people
My mom used to rag on us because you thought
it was funny, right, not the smartest you know.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's not the brightest, yes, but it made me feel better.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
I did not know I was smart till much later
in life.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well with me, I mean, okay, so with me, I
can't say there are word but my parents did, but
they thought so. I had a I had a IQ
test when I was in like seventh grade or.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Something I ever taken out they gave it. I didn't
know I had one.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
I just whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I didn't test well and my parents sat me
down and my brother was like valedictorian whatever, and they
said we thought you were the arm and I'm like,
I'm not wait what And they said, you tested two
points below your brother on your IQ test and I
was like, what is ikeman? But anyway, So while we
were shooting this pilot in Atlanta, because I'm writing him, no,

(15:34):
I asked my parents.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I called them and I said, can you tell Jeff
that my IQ score was actually higher than his?

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Please do And they didn't.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's so rude of them, just say it.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
And also I think there was so nice. So I
think it was, like I said, I go, I think
it was one fifty six. So that night that day
I couldn't find like my car keys and I lost
like a bill or something, and he goes way to go.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Or I didn't know a word for something.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I was like, palpably.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Psychotical, okay, and he's like, okay, one fifty six.

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I'm dying to know what happened. First of all, why
would you go to a concert? I would like? No,
I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I like to put myself in places where I'm unhappy.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, you know, because I don't see you as someone
who enjoys a crowd.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
I hate a crowd, and I hate the imposition of fun.
Thank you to be New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Oh hate it. Hate it.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Because also if something is going to be fun, I
don't like it because then it's going to be over,
so why even bothered?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
So that's okay, that's depressed.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yes, I started to grieve things this I did not
agrieve of being over. Okay.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
So two days ago, my daughter, who's had a very
tough year friend wise, and her grandfather died.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Everything she like plays up so nobo.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
She had a really really bad year, and her friend
from elementary school they wanted to go see The Weekend
and it was playing the next day and tickets were
like ninety eight dollars. So I was like, okay, ninety
eight dollars. Sure, So then her friend's mom said she
can go, but an adult test to go. Oh, so
that you had to go with some like have fun yesterday.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
This is so bad.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Aren't they fifteen? Yes? Can't they go by themselves?

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (18:47):
So although my daughter is very I've created this situation
where she really needs me for everything, so we.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Need to fix that. Before she had to college, well.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Because my mother was absent and gone and we're strange
and she didn't raise me.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
So it was like I'm going to be all the
things she wasn't get that. But also it's extreme guilt
because of everything I just feel so anyway, so especially
in light of the tragedy that happened with this other kid.
I felt like I should they would.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Give any change. But there was a tragedy recently. Ye're
at one of the schools near us.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Every single side involved was your worst tire. So anyway,
so that I was sort of like, you know, she's here.
Those parents would do anything for her, for their kit
to be a lot, you know. So anyway, so I
said okay, and then the mom said someone needs to
go with them, and I said, have fun.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
I'll put have your ticket. And she goes, I'm in Boston,
and I was like.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, you better hurry up and get home.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
So Phoebe was like, please, Mommy, please, And I said, okay,
if the tickets are ninety eight dollars, it'll be a
two hour concert.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Where was it? So fine? Okay, so we go.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
First of all, she wants to get there four o'clock.
I see the start the week the Cardi B and Playboy,
not Cardi, Cardi, c I rt I goes on at seven,
and the other one, the Weekend, goes on at nine.
I'm like nine o'clock, I asked, chat GPT and then so, okay,

(20:14):
she wanted to.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Go five hours early.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yes, she didn't trust me, but I said to her,
because she is so she gets so anxious at these
things that I'm a punching bag, and she's really mean
to me.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I took her to New York with her friend and
she ruined my weekend.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
She was very like, she just it's that age. It's
that age too.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
So I said to her, if you give me a
hard time for one second, if you were nothing but
polite and happy, never go to a concert again. So
from the minute we got there, I was baiting her to.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Be terrible because I was like, I need to turn
this around. She's like, thank you, mommy, and I was
like what she calls you mommy?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Still?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, that's sweet, is it?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
So anyway, so okay, so we get there.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
It's what time did you get there? We got there
at six? Okay, okay, at least it wasn't before. But
we get there, ticks. She's questioning every single thing I do.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I get there.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I have to get a plastic bag to a clear
bag to put all my stuff in. So buy two bags.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
The tickets now have gone up to two hundred and
ten dollars and then tax each so I don't know
how because I went off of ticket Master for a
second because we don't want to be behind him.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
So anyway, well that is a problem.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, She's like, that's for people who are just there
to listen, mommy. So then I fall into this thing
because I want to make her happy. I feel like
I will look back, unlike you with the growlings, I
will look back and say I should have done that.
So I went, and all these fun moms who go
to concerts with their daughters and whatever. So I go
and it's so it's like six hundred dollars for three tickets, right,

(21:46):
because now I'm like, I don't know if I'm paying.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
For all of us.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
We go, We get there, starts with the clear bag,
starts with parking fifty dollars right, clear bags. I have
to put my bag in a clear bag and the
other kids in their clear bags. I spend like fifty
dollars on plastic. Then we get to the gate thing
I have to go and balet my bag because they
could see it in the clear bag.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
We get inside, we get food. It's fifty dollars for
two hot dogs and three waters.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
We go and sit down. The sun is out like
the sun is high in the sky. That's how early
we were. And We're sitting there and I realize that
I'm the oldest person in the entire arena of five
million people. There is not anyone within like ten years
of me, I mean twenty.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Maybe it was terrible.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
So anyway, then she wants merch. Then she wants a
T shirt. So I'm like, okay, you can get a
T shirt eighty five dollars. So now I'm doing shopping
math where I'm like, what can I return to Amazon?
I'm going through my orders and returns and I'm like,
thirty days, thirty one days, Oh my god, I have
those two yoga tops. I throw them out. Where are
they have those sweatpants with the tags? I wonder if
they'll take them back. I'm going through everything and I'm like, well,

(23:00):
she didn't go to camp this week, so that's three
hundred dollars. Like I'm just shuffling everything around in my head,
and also like flops wedding at the.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Thought of what this is?

Speaker 1 (23:07):
How expensive? It's so expensive?

Speaker 3 (23:08):
And also after I do anything, I'm like, what have
I dot? Yeah, So it's loud as bock. It's sorry
it's so freaking loud. My body is shaking.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Where are the seats?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
The seats are I thought the seats were good.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
The stage was four hundred, like a mile a mile away,
maybe you on the floor were we were up, but
we were in like section like two hundred, so we
were up, but we were almost behind him. Okay, So
my friend I took a picture of the seats and
my friend goes, I love that, you think those are
good seats. So then I see this little dot of
a man come out, and there's like music whenever I

(23:44):
see this little dot of a man come out, and
I'm like, there he is.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
There's the weekend.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Because it was seven, it was eight already, so the
other band didn't come out, so I was like, wow,
he's early. So an hour later, everything goes dark and
these lights come up. I'm already reaching for my keys.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
You think it's done.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think it's over after an hour.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
After well, because he went on at eight, and then
I'm thinking we're halfway through. If he plays for two hours,
I'm gonna be out of here by ten.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
So it turns out all of a sudden, I hear.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know, hello, La, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's him. It's like I was buried with the body.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Like the It was like the first dot of a
person out there CARDI playboy something, but it was a
dot of a person.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
I'll show you when we're done.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
But I took a picture for my friend and drew
an arrow on the picture of this tiny little man
and my daughter and her friend, which is good because
she's never been spoiled. So she didn't go to like
Taylor Swift and sit in the front.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
She's so happy just to be there.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Only wanted her to complain so bad, and she was
ready to say that's it.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
And I never stick to anything, but I was telling
a stick to this one. So anyway, so I'm coming
out of my skin trying to sit. I'm the only
person sitting, and then everyone's standing right and yes, and
then she's getting mad because she wants me to take
a picture, but then she gets mad at me for
taking a picture. So then she gets I mean, I

(25:07):
cannot win. So I go out to the lobby area
and I sit on one of these like big chairs.
No one else is sitting there. The bar is like whatever,
closing down, and I'm the only person on this like
janky like, did you get a drink? No, I didn't
even get a drink because I had taken so much
out of van responsible mother. So I sat down and meanwhile,

(25:29):
everything this night, I got two more waters. It's eighty dollars,
Like I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's so much, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
And then they have to get the lights and whatever.
So so anyway, so I sit down and this guy.
I'm on my phone playing wordle and this guy gets
this guy goes, he goes, he holds out of water.
I see him out of the periphery of my and
he goes mom. Like he goes mom, and I go

(25:58):
I look over and he goes water. I'm like, mom,
I hate when people call me mom, like hey mom,
you want to get your kids seats?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Hey mom? And but it was free, so you took
so I took it and it was the trade off.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
But then that was an eighty dollars water.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
That was an eighty dollars water that gave me for free.
Then I go back in because I think it's over.
I have my keys out, and then he says, la,
are you warmed up? Stopping not hitting not getting the weekend.
Then this woman and her husband this like, tall thin
woman goes, You're such a good mom. I'm like, just

(26:33):
because I'm looking for my keys in my plastic bag
and I'm wearing like running shoes, like it was just
so I wore I wore a black and white tripe
T shirt and I realized I looked like a sailor
T shirt.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Anyway, it was very and then to get out of there,
it took three hours. How long was the concert? When
did it go to It was.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Two hours, So it went until by the time LA
was ready, it went till eleven thirty. Wet, my wet
in this parking Have.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
You seen this movement that Jamie Lee Curtis talks about
it like why can't concerts be at two in the afternoon,
thank you? One or two? After? We'd go? Why do
we have to dance.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
One in the morning at one in the midning night?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Why does it have to be at night?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
And why do I have to be the oldest person there?

Speaker 3 (27:18):
So then I go, I ran to get them waters
while we're in the parking lot, I ran, and I go,
you know what people are like jumping this fence to
get to avoid the crosswalk, which was one step that.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
You jump the fence. I tried to jump and I
fell and I pulled.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Down so bad.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
No, I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna like hop
over the fence. I fell, I fell, and I think
a noise came out of me. Oh no, I missed
a zoom this morning because I was sleeping. Was last night, Yeah,
it was last night.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
She's still sleeping for all I know. I'm not waking
her up. But I was so much, thank you, mommy,
good night.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Gosh. But she was appreciative.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
She was appreciative. They did ask for McDonald's, and I
was going to say, phoebe eating that night.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I did good? Right?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
What am I going to say no to McDonald's after
a concert? You say, yes, I hadn't been to a
concert since you two in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think that was my first concert. Yes, that would
tree that when you're talking about it, the Carrier Dome
in Syracuse. Yes, remember it. Yes, that was my first
concert ever. My god, we were at the same concert list,
We we were the same lot of things, the same party.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I know.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
But I'm just saying like, yeah, oh, you were at
my first cone.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Oh Rolling Stones did we see too?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
I don't think I Seinfeld played there. I didn't know,
I don't No.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
How did you think any of your kids will go
to Syracuse?

Speaker 3 (28:47):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
My son?

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well, where's Jesse going to?

Speaker 3 (28:49):
I think he might be applying there. I'm not sure
he's applying to Ohio State. But the problem is his
grades in ninth grade were not good.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
But you have to write that in the personal statement.
Oh you account for that, Okay, So they have there's
a section on all of the applications where if you
know you had a particularly bad year, the great where
you can write where you were like mental health wise,
or if something had happened in your life, like I

(29:15):
know for a lot of kids, if they wrote about
the La fire and they were displaced. Yes, we'll talk
about this offline, but I could say.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Our fire app show that the fires were within thirty miles,
so it got we know people who love No, we
were actually close?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
We were yes, no, No, it's a thing. So there's
things that you can write in there that will tell
a story, because the whole point of those applications is
telling your personal story.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Right, Okay, I'm going to give them one.

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Speaker 2 (30:40):
So you finish cheer, Finish cheer.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That was great in Atlanta because nothing shoots here anymore,
which is just crazy. All the sound stages are empty
everywhere we did post and casting on the on the
Universal lot. By the way, a casting was in Kelly
Clarkson's office and I might get in trouble for this,
but we weren't allowed to use the bathroom. And I
was like, I'm obviously using the bathroom. She's not even

(31:03):
there anymore. It was the nicest bathroom, and the toilet
opens and welcomes you with blue light. You have that.
We don't have anything like it. But anyway, everyone was like,
you can't use the toilet. I'm like using the toilet
and the best s Ginty mirror I've ever seen. Yes,
But anyway, all the lots are completely empty. The theme

(31:23):
park is moving onto the lot like now Jurassic Park.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Seriously.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I went for a walk around the lot. I
wound up in line for the Jurassic Park line.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
I didn't even ride. I didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
It isn't that crazy, that's insane. Well, you know where
we live now? We're literally above box.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Is that your house on the premiere the trailer for
the show.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I don't know, it's my house in it.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
I don't know, but it's it's really nice.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
I was like I'll go over. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I literally was like, why, oh my god. It's such
a long story.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But basically, the contractor just screwed us and came in
way over budget, and then the fires happened. It was
just one thing after another leaving a lot of money
on the table. It's an insane property. It's eight point
three acres. It's like Canyon City Ocean. It's spectacular.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
The house happy there.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
No, no, no that we don't live there. We moved
out of years.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You're in the apartments, you're in the penthouses.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, and then I rented another place in our building,
so we're there, which I love. I really I honestly
at this point I don't want to be in a
construction site for the next two years.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It really needs a redo. And does I thought you
built it?

Speaker 3 (32:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh no, no you have an elevator.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, no, it's a one. So it was Dino de Larenties' home, okay,
and he was a famous producer, and the property spectacular,
has a tennis court and long beautiful drive. It's really private.
But the house is you know, it was built in
the forties and you know it's been redone but not really.
It means to be taken down to the studs and.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Really while you're in it or what you're going over here.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
We were The plan was we lived there for a
year and the plan was to move out and start
the construction. But then it's just everything went fluey and
then we got so behind and then I have to
start over within.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I just lost my steam for the project, I understand.
And that's another thing I love back on.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
And you're living in luxury in a hotel. That was
the other thing. So Liz and I were talking right
before this about things about doing things that you don't
want to do. You get to a point in your life.
I don't know if it's age or just experience or
whatever where you go, you know what, there are things
that I have to do in my life and things
I don't have to do. And out of the things

(33:41):
I don't have to do, I want the things that
are optional to spark joy.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Like the weekend last night, I should not have gone.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, but that was different because you were doing that
for Phoebe. Yeah, but yeah, mass no, but you you
get a chab, I do a box.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Now I can be absent for a while.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, that was like you did that. That was good. Yeah,
I'm saying like, if.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You're never going to look back and wish you did that, yeah,
you just.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Gotta you gotta just make those choices. It's hard to
do it well because you and I beat each other.
We beat ourselves, ourselves up on each other, but we do.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
We feel like if we didn't do something, we're lazy,
we're gonna you know, it's we're not going to get
to that next thing. But I put so much pressure
on myself and there are so many things and less
and less. Now I don't have fomo ever. I want
to be in my bed watching like true crime.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
That's a good question, I wonder. Let me think about that.
Do I ever have fomo? Well, sort of like I
don't have fomo, Like I wish I was there, but
sometimes it bothers me if I wasn't invited. Oh sure, sure,
if that doesn't mean I want to go.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
But people, you know, still good.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
You go to parties, right, you have to, and you
dance and you drink and like, I don't even think
my body could move. First of all, I feel like
I'm thunderous.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
But can I tell you something? Sometimes you never know
and I will say this. Like last year, we were
on our way to a holiday party and we had
been out like six nights in a row, which is
not normal for us, and especially you know Terry, he's
not really it doesn't His social battery is very smart, right.
But it was someone who's a friend, and I'm like, listen,

(35:20):
we're gonna go to this holiday party and then we're done. Okay,
we have to go because it's for so and so
and whatever. And I go, but let's let's do this.
Let's just go have a drink, let's say hi, give
her a hug, mingle, and then we'll go to dinner alone.
He was like, Oh my god, really could we do that?
That's so great. Yeah. So we show up to the party,
say hi, we take some pictures. No, no, no. We
go into the next room and it is set for

(35:42):
a sit down dinner. We place cards. No, yes, And
I looked at Terry and his face just dropped, and
I go, oh, I'm so sorry, honey. We cannot we
cannot just leave. Anyway, we ended up sitting down and
I met the most spectacular woman. And I'm telling you,
she has changed my life.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Oh is she a psychic?

Speaker 1 (36:04):
No, she's not a psyche. She's in the business, but
she's someone who has become a trusted person in my
life and really open all these interesting doors. I'll tell
you about later, But my point is you never know.
And I remember that I interviewed Jane Lynch years ago
when I was co hosting Good Day LA of all Things,
and she said her best advice was always say.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yes, Well, that's interesting because for things like that, I'm
always kind of the last person to leave, but not
really Sometimes if it's at someone's house or if it's
at something where I'm gonna if something winds up, I
have like fun in spite of myself.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Sometimes that's not You're.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Right, because those are always opportunities. There are times where
I don't think I'm invited to that much.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
It's the things that but like invits beget invites. Do
you know what I'm saying? Like I do the same thing,
like I don't want to go and I want to
go on the road, Just go go for an hour
and then you end up either just having good time.
And I'm not saying you should go to things just
because you think it's going to benefit you, or I'm
just saying like sometimes it's just good to be amongst
people yes and.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yes and yes and yes and see we're doing it.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
It's also good.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I don't say no to things as much as I
don't seek out things. Okay, So I don't seek out
like a party or a schmoozy thing with industry people,
which maybe I would be more successful if I did,
but I would rather be Like last night, and I
really don't like writing, but last night I would.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I realized that.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
And I was working on this other pilot that I'm
writing while I was in Atlanta. I had to a
little bit. But last night I realized that, like, if
I had my laptop with me, I would be fine
if I'm working at a party. Else No, at the concert,
I'm like, but that's where I escape to, right, So
do you ever write on your phone? I do? Okay,

(37:54):
So I dictate on my phone and it comes out
you can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, it's like you were to John missed human algebis.
And why is it that it has to go wanna
wa nna instead of want to? I don't know. And
that's true. I enunciate really well, especially in my voice app,
because it.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Irritates me and my mouth is always full. Well I do,
so I'm always eating. I'm always eating, and so I know.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm really into blueberries and I think that they are
what's making me gain weight because I eat like four
pounds of them a day. Do you know what?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I was telling Liz that I had gained some weight
because we were in Croatia.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
We just yeah, you're insane.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
No, it's fine, but when you're of this age, like everything,
it's not that I mind gaining five six pounds eight
out whatever it is. Either way, I don't care, honestly.
But what I don't like is now being fucking metopausal.
I've never had a mids be bread.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I always had an hourglass, me too, Where is my
I always had an hourglass to tel.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I had kids and then I got very straight. But
that I mean like it swells. I mean my mid
section gets a big and it's.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
That's how I feel.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And I had heard about this before.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
It's just that is menopausepse.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
I'm getting like first all, I don't want people to
even look at me now because I am so.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Me either everyone's had a face, but you live gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I have not had a facelift or any either. So
I was gonna buy tape on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Oh, I'll tell you which one to get you. I
swear to God, I don't want to tell you who.
But a friend of mine I saw recently and I
was like, your neck looks so good. She's like, oh,
it's tape what So you know my problem is, I'm like,
humpty dumpy, there's there's neck tape, but I really need
more of like something under.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
The beow that. It's this. Do you ever see yourself
in your I mean, you're gorgeous, but do you ever
see yourself in your car window when you're trying to
get in the car and you're like, you see like
your underchin and.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
All about pilates and you're bending in a bad position
and you look at your face to the side of
the room and you go, I'm a hundred.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
That's how I feel like in yoga.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
So now when I do like updog and I have
like wrinkle under here, I have to like reay, oh wait,
this is embarrassing really quick.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
It was my birthday at my yoga plays and they
knew what was your day in January? And they knew.
So the guy does as many sit ups as someone's age,
so he has many like.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
So he goes, I'm twenty eight, it is his birthday.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
A gentleman never asks and a lady never says, and
I'm like, sweet thing, I'm like fifty five, like seventy
like and then we did like twenty push up, twenty
sit ups, fifty four, I'm going to be fifty five.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Fifty six? What the fuck? No?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
In my fifty Yeah, my dad was like younger than
me when I thought he was like an old man.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Isn't that so strange? You've seen that meme of the
Golden Girls at the same age as the girls and such.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh my god, how crazy is that? And also Archie
Bunker was forty nine. It's so I have to just
think the air was worse than or I really look
like a very Obviously last night everyone was like, hey, mom.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Well that's because you were sitting with sneakers on on
your phone in the lobby Areia World the weekend.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
I kept trying to lean I guess they weren't for
like relaxing, because I kept leaning back on the retan thing,
and then the pillow would come out sider me, and
then it would go like the whole everything would move.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Nothing was stable. It's like you're not. I really wanted
to lie down. I was one minute away from lying down.
I have no shame.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Then I walk back in with my keys because a
certain my friend said that this song, when this song
comes on, you're ready to go. So then I go
back and I have my keys and I'm like, where
is everything? I lost my husband's phone charger. And then
that's when someone's like, you're a really great mom. And
then I hear the weekend say it's my last concert.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I'm not leaving La.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
You're like, no, you do it.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I'm suing. I'm suing girls. But they had the best time.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
They dressed like she was more she wears hoodies and
like sweats and hugs.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
But she was wearing this like I Seci Hoochi like
late rop top, like.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yes, but not with the like a tube top and
a short black skirt that was too big, so she
like rolled it up on the side and you could say,
I'm like, what.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Is happening here?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
That's what they do. It's so weird.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
I know, and sneakers, but it is so weird to
see her. To see it was crazy.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
The tailor swift, yes, but it was maroona black, which
are not my favorite color.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Like it's really ugly.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
There's certain things you have to let go. Yes, Like
a friend of mine was talking about her son's hair
the other day, and he's ten.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Does he have that ice cream haircut?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
No, no, what's the ice cream haircut?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
It's like this like like up around like they're it's awful.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's no. Like Ace's crowd. They all have what I
call the broccoli head, which is they all get like
that curly mop in the front.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Is it like the like my son has a my front?
My son has that hair he has and his face
is so small on it, but he has very curly.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Yeah, but it falls down below the eyes and everything.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
But it's like it's people get perms to look like
because I can't even believe. I want to get him
a Brazilian blowout or whatever it's called. He has the curliest.
It's like such a good time boys love.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
It's just buzzed all of his hair off though really
he looks so good. But it was funny. I looked
at his eyebrows and I was like, wait, your eyebrows,
do you get him done? They look so good? And
he goes no, and then I realized I hadn't seen
his eyebrows in a year and a half. That's so sweet.
So that's why I was like, Okay, look he's got
such good eyebrows.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Oh, we don't have the heads in our family to
be shaved, but can.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I No, he's not like bald. He's got it's like
a buzz. Hot, he's got a buzz that's not no,
he looks so good. But I think that was But
the point was I was saying to my friend because
she was like, his hair is like gorgeous and slick back,
but now he wants to grow it. He's he wants
the broccoli headcause's getting to that age. And I said
to him, like, let it go. It's hair, right, it's fine.
He can make fun of him.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And what was our I like, remember like we would
tease up the front, yes, and then the swoosh.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
There was nothing behind it. It was just flat to
hear yes and then like a waterfall bang yes, Like
people were only going to see us from the front.
It didn't matter. It was like how we used to
just tan the front of ourselves because we didn't see
baby oil and all of that.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Oh, my god, I just want to say one more thing,
the whole thing about how the girls dress and all.
Oh yeah, So my daughter, another mother, a very critical mother,
sent me a picture of my daughter on TikTok and
she had like puffy lips and like duck lips or whatever,
and she looked gorgeous. And this mom was sitting in
her bedroom at night and I could see the outline

(44:34):
of her knees in the dark in her little lamp,
and she had my daughter on TikTok on her knees,
and she's telling me that I should be careful, what like,
not thinking that her child has seventeen spam accounts.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
But I was like, babe, why can't you look more
like this? Why can't you dress up like this?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
And put maybe?

Speaker 3 (44:54):
But I have been working through in therapy standing up
to this mom because of something to happen and last
summer with our girls, and I accidentally sent the picture
to her.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
So now it's like you said it back to her.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I meant to send it to another friend and saw
that she sent it.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Then did you, he has said.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I said, Oh my, I said, you did you really
just send me this photo? She sends me a year ago,
but I am. I am planning.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
I asked Jack CHATGBT to help me with an email,
and I kept going angrier and no, I don't want
the French. I don't wish her well. I don't know
more points. I'm not reaching out. I'm not reaching out.
This is an attack.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I got that. So I'm burning a breath. I'll tell
you about the way that the kids drown me. I mean, listen,
I have four kids. I have been through lots of
different waves of fashion, if we're going to call it that,
and the grungy look and the emo look.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And the goth and not max right, yeah, I mean
they've all.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Been through and they've all dyed their hair different colors
and we did yeah, and we did too. And I
don't care and they I don't care either. My thing
is always this. If we're going somewhere, like you know,
it's Mother's Day or there is an event we need
to go to where everyone needs to look appropriate, I'm
not going to force you to wear something you're uncomfortable with.

(46:18):
Like you know, Kat went through a period of time
where she would not wear dresses or skirts.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Oh that's fine.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
If you want to wear pants, it's okay, but you
need to be dressed at the appropriate level for the function.
You can't wear sweatpants and a ripped T shirt to
go to dinner, right right, of course, So you know
we would we would do that kind of thing. But
I have to say, like, I'll use Kat as an example,
Like she went through all those phases where she was
wearing like these oversized things and whatever, and I mean,

(46:46):
now she's I love the way she dresses to the
point where she's on her little senior vacation with her
best friend. They go they went to Amsterdam, and they
were supposed to go to Spain, but there was a
travel warning and so her friend's parents and Terry and
I were like yeah, we were like, yeah, maybe we
don't want to go there. So I go when I
go to the South of France, like everything's beautiful there,

(47:08):
so oh it's the best. That's another thing. So I
sent her there, which is so bouge and crazy and whatever,
and she was I said, do you need my help
with your wardrobe because it's very specific there she goes, Nope,
I got it. I've laid everything out. I know I'm doing.
So the night before she left, I went through everything
with her, and I was folding it, putting in her
bag and helping her. Her clothes were so great, really,

(47:31):
Oh my gosh. She pulled out this white, like long
flowy cotton skirt in this little top and I was like,
I want that, Oh my god. And she had a
little sparkly out. But I'm telling you, she's eighteen now
like hates my clothes.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
She's fun of them.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Oh, Kat has done that with me historically.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Also, Phoebe, I dress really well. No, Kat, my t
shirts are actually really really good.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Cat used to do the same thing with me. They
she used to do the same thing. And I'm telling
you she's around. Oh my god. She was in my
clauset the other day and she took a purse from
my clause. She goes, this is my dream back and
I go, you can borrow it ticket for a couple
of days.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
She was like what, Oh my god, that's so nice.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Oh yeah, no, she she's I'm telling you, they change,
but you have to leave them alone and you can't
be part your will on them or else it makes
them turn away.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
But she keeps wanting like new things. But it's always
a hoodie. It's always I'm like no more hoodies and sweatpants. Mom, Okay,
one more hoodie.

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Speaker 3 (49:17):
It's for MBC And this is like the pilot hell
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out of our hands.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
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so and Kristian Jennowyth.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Isn't it?

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Oh? I saw that you know, I love oh you
have a Yeah, she is.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I'm not just saying this.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
She's the sweetest, nicest human, nicest human in general, funny,
so generous. She was singing with people in the elevator
going up to their rooms, which was so nice. And
then so she was in it, so we had to
like map things out according to her Broadway things. So
it was so much fun and it was stressful, but
it was really fun. It was like fourteen hour days

(49:56):
and everything. And Atlanta is.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Weird why I never know, just the freeways are weird.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
And I had Monica in my car at one point
and I kind of went one way. I went the
wrong way down a one way street but it wasn't
like busy, but she was in a ball in my
seat and I was.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Like, this woman, this fearless woman.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Monica al Dama is the coach in the docuseries on
Netflix Cheer, and she is this badass, like sleek, really
smart woman.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
She's been on the show before. She's very cool.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
She's very cool and you don't know what you're getting
from Corsicana, Texas.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Not that, but like a cheer coach, Like what do
we have to do with.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
The ch so are they still doing that every year?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
She's still coaching.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
No, that ended after season two. No, I don't mean
the show.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
No, she's not coaching anymore. She retired from coaching. Why.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
I think she was like done. But she still goes
to all the things.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
But they were coaches in this She found all the
cheer doubles, she found all the like every week.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I'm a little bbsessed though, But is her ex team?
Do they still have that team?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
And they're still the team and some of the people,
some of the like non speaking people are on the
So we walk into this gym and it's the show
is about like the falling fall from grace of this
cheer coach who it's not it's not based on the show,
but there's obviously similarities and not that, but it's about
this woman who.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Has to go go coach this ragtag Like yes, so
she what was the point of that?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
So Monica they did, like Dalston, her choreographer from Cheer
came and Monica and they were doing the routines. They
taught them a routine in two hours. We were shooting
one scene for six Like it's so crazy. So while
she's sitting there, you know, in video Village or whatever.
We're watching like eight hundred takes. She's like, come on, y'all,
come on, y'all, snap, Snap, what's taken so long. She'd

(51:46):
be a great producer. She's so nice and everything, but
the whole thing of like the routine. So we walk
into this gym that's supposed to be the first team
that she gets fired from, and it is the.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Most beautiful, beautiful gym and I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
And these girls are these real cheerleaders, are flying in
the air like it's cryzy gravity, and I'm like, I
can't believe I'm here to see this. I can't believe
I'm seeing people do this thing. Like I had this
thing in my head of like the opening shop being
someone flying in the air and then landing both feet
in one guy's hand.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
And we got that, and they're so nonchalant about it.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
It's so crazy to me. Like whenever I watch them
do those things, I'm like, how, like you have to
practice that to get to that level?

Speaker 2 (52:29):
How do you even fly?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
But then she said that when they're toddlers, you just
throw them in the air, like we were named we
put cartwheel, you just throw I mean I can't even.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Do a cartwheel.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Never.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Never, I've never a Pewish women do Cartwheelish.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Women do not do it.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I think it's in the Torah, it's in cartwheel.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
No cartwheels on.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Shabbat or any other time.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
But she these girls.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
So she was saying, we put cartwheels in our script
the first draft. And she was like, y'all, you can't
put cartwheels in cheer unless they're toddlers.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
And we were so embarrass like we didn't know what
to oh because it was too basic. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I had to call her and get her like to
explain things to me. And she would just go on
and on and the account and the da da dad
and the dad dada and there whip around and whatever,
and I was just playing wordle.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
But then she took care of it. She like takes
care of everything. So she was amazing.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
She was funny, She was great to have around. Then
we came back and we were in editing from May
twenty first until Friday. Wow, just like sound and color
and you know, all the way. So now it's done,
it's done, and now we wait, you gave it to
the network. Yeah, and now you wait, we wait until Okay,
So what are you doing in the meantime?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
You start on your deck thing.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
I have to make doctor's appointments that I've been putting
off for myself and my kids at.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Those things, and then we're never going to start applying
to college.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Start applying to college for them and myself. No, I
want to like write, I want to write another book
of like essays, like memoish kind of essays.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
But I don't know if anyone will do it.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
But I'm like, I should be writing. I should be
working on something. I should be writing. But and I
have this Fox pilot that I'm doing it, I'm teenth
draft on, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
And then he's going to travel it all the summer.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
No, No, we're going to nowhere. We're not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
And all these kids, that's the thing, going back to
that competitive thing. Like you know, my daughter's friends are
going to ft for the summer or the like. They're
going to doing these Vogue programs, fashion design. Another one's
going to school for like medicine. They're all going to
tenth grade. Another one, the one who was going to
the concert with her her dad dropped off a laptop
and history book yesterday and I was like, what's this
and he goes, oh, she's taking an ap on history

(54:36):
course at And I was like, isn't she already like
an actress and singer?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Why does she have to be smart?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Like why she have to do all that? This one
is smart too, But you know what you should look
into for Phoebe for tell me not this summer teen tour. No, No,
like a summer college program like I was telling you
before I went to Carnegie Mellen. Yes, so many schools
have summer programs. So where it's, Western has a really
good one.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
It's five weeks on what she needs to do that
one of our friends is doing forensics at Georgetown.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Whatever we could talk about later. But whatever she's interested in,
I'll tell you not but that's okay too. That's okay too.
But you can find a gaming thing, of coding thing,
like there's something, or even just a general like pick
a few classes and and they go. And like when
Kat went to north now she's very focused on filmmaking,
so the program she went to at Northwestern was very focused.

(55:29):
But like there were other programs at Northwestern. But what's
great about it is they live in the dorms. Yes,
and they make friends and they have things for them.
It's a and it's great for college resumes. It's good
for them to do.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
She has massive social anxiety that we have to which
is why also I wanted, but.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
That's why concert.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
That's good. But also they have these programs. They are
also a week or two weeks, so if she doesn't
want to go for five weeks, she can do that too.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
That was part of my math, which was last night.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Okay, I'm not sending her. I'm not sending her to
She's phobic about sleeping out, so I'm not sending her
to camp. So that's a savings. But I already spent
that on this because I lost my earrings. I already
spent like the math, sending and the T shirt.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
But I do wish. What I do wish is that
I sent them to sleep Boy camp on the East
Coast like I did.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
But I, yeah, my kids won't do that. They went.
They wouldn't. They went to gold Era Camp. It was
it was two weeks. It was really twelve days by
the time they leave him come back twelve.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Days, it's twelve the whole Monday to Saturday or Sunday
to Saturday.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It's a racket.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
It's a total record. But getting back to what you're
saying about kids traveling and being competitive. So Nikki is
working in hospitality the summer, is working with a very
cool group or whatever. That's what he wants to do, right.
He doesn't know. He's trying, right, And this is what
I told him. And again, what's his hair like? Right now?
His hairline? No, what's his hair like? What's his I'll
show you a picture. Has he had like hair?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Things like, oh yeah, you have broccoli? Oh yeah, Jesse
has a fro and it's his style. I mean, how
fortuitous is that? I mean most a great picture of him,
but because he took it, Sophie.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Oh he has Jesse hair.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
No he doesn't. He has like cool like, yes, he
has good hair.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
He it was saying to me. He's like, oh, my
friends are traveling the summer. I'm like, you have a job,
congratulating that's great.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I would love I would love Jesse to work at
the Hollywood Bowl. And he doesn't want to talk to people.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
He won't do it. You won't talk to people.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
No, you need to find him in something, in something
he's he.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Was supposed to take this animal science class. I told
you he didn't press.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
He should go to New York and he should work
at the Museum of Natural History, is what he should.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
He should, but I feel like it.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
But he is going to work at the Museum of
Natural History here and logs bones great, but I wanted him.
He was supposed to shadow a vet this summer and
he never pressed submit.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
In the application. I told you that, Well, is he
interested in medicine.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
He's interested in animal anything, okay. And he also took
photography though in school didn't want to, didn't get journalism.
And he turns out he's in a using like wildlifetographer
because he speaks to animals.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
You have to let them try things. So back to
Nikki for a seconds. So he got his real estate
license when he was eighteen.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
What yeah, stop it, Yeah what you see? Those are
the kids just by because.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
But he was never like he always hated school. He's
not like that's not his thing, right, but he you know,
we do a lot of real estate in our family. Whatever,
So study pasted it. He worked with Josh Altman for
a summer and really liked it. And he was like
all right, I think that's what I'm gonna do. And
I listen, you have your real estate license. You can

(58:34):
always do that. Try on some other hats. You're young,
this is what you're supposed to be doing. Try But
you know, they get so nervous, like, oh, I got
to fight a job and I gotta find a thing,
and I got nervous. Yeah, he he's nervous like that.
He's like, he gets he gets worried, like what am
I going to do with my life? What am I?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
But you don't know until I moved here. When I
was twenty seven, I was a photo editor. I was
a nothing.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
I got fire from Bridleguard magazine for my lack of
attention to detail. I sent four thousand magazines to the
wrong address.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
It's you don't know what you're going to beat.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Your brain's not done growing till you're now.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
That's why you have to try things. So he's doing
hospitality this summer, which is great, i'll tell you, Okay,
offline but really cool place. And so he's he's doing great,
right and he's excited about it, and we were, and
he's got some other interesting opportunities swirling around him right now.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
That.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
It's so great that he's a but even still, just
like you're talking about Jesse. Yesterday, we were hanging out
and he went to visit his girlfriend this weekend and
he came back and he was like, you know, I'm
I'm worried. I'm graduating from college in the spring.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I remember when he was going in the rooms and
the dormitory dorm and.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
He's like, graduating from college in the spring, and what
if I this? What if I don't that? What I go? Listen,
five months ago, you and I were talking and you said, God,
I don't have a thing for the summer, and they
don't have this, I don't have that. And I go
and now look at you. There's four things at a
five on your list that you wanted to have happen
that you made happen. So instead of now worrying right

(01:00:13):
about the next be proactive. There's certain things you can control,
certain things you can't. So what can you control this,
this and this? So work on that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
That's so great. I don't like that the way our
kids are are a reflection on us, and they're really not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
I'll take it away. It's not right. Don't buy that.
Fuck it. You could only do the best you could do,
and then the rest to the best I could do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
It is because it's what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
It is what I'm doing. I'm doing. I went to
the weekend, I sat, and you spent seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Never again, I mean, all right, wait, there's something. We
really have to get her to attack.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Me before tonight because it's twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So that you can never go again. No, I think
you need to send your husband next time. It is
the thing. It's a trade off, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
He did put sheets on my bed last night before
I got home, because you know he sleeps in the
other room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I know, I know sleep divorce. Okay, stop right there.
We have so much more to talk about, so stay
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