August 20, 2025 • 43 mins
Heather and Terry are back from Yale! They share the good, the bad, and the ugly of dropping their daughter off at college.
Then, they dive into the Netflix documentary Fit for TV. Terry opens up about his history with Jillian Michaels—and why the two have clashed over the years.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Heather Dubrow and I'm Terry Debrow, and we're going
to keep this between us.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Not really, no, not, we're gonna spill it.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So we just came back from a whirlwind trip from
New York to do press to New Haven to drop
off our daughter. Yeah, so we did this press event.
I do this thing every year called Champs with Heather.
It's my first press event of a new season for Housewives.
And basically what I do is I invite all the
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press to come to us and we have champagne and
we serve our doors and they love it and it's
always really fun and it's great because that means we
don't have to run around Manhattan all day.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's a super brilliant idea because there's like twenty to
twenty five outlets that you would normally have to get
in a car, get in an elevator, pass security of
each of the building and go to them. Instead they
come to us, and it becomes like the hot invitation
is to go the Heather's press event. It's really because
you're sir. It was at the Four Seasons you served
(01:06):
open bar, champagne, amazing food, and they sent and had
interviews with you, and it's everyone everyone.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, we just do like a round robin.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Someone sits down with me, I said, at one table,
and everyone else kind of mingles and has you know,
food and drinks and whatnot, and they sit down with
me one time.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But you know, when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So we started Housewives when our youngest child was nine
months old, and he's about to be fifteen in December.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And we've known that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Some of these press people are new and young, but
some we've known for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yea, So it's fun to see everyone every year.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, they've grown up with our kids in a way.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, what's super crazy was okay, So if you all
saw it, Nikki was the bartender and watch What Happens Live,
which was so fine.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I got feedback from him about that last night. Oh yeah,
so I said, so you're gonna be the bar pretender
and watch What Happens Live? Think your friends, Oh nobody
knows what Andy Cohen's show is. Yeah, not our age grade,
you're wrong, demographic nobody cares. And he spent He came
home and spent the weekend in Newport Beach in Emerald
Bay on the beach with all the girls and all
(02:15):
the guys. It's like the OC scene. And he said
everybody came up to him. It was spread like wildfire
and it was a major, major cloud thing.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh that's so good. I haven't seen him today.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was very cool and he was great on it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I thought he was fantastic. I loved his five things
that make Me Fancy.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
If you haven't seen it, I posted a clip on
my Instagram, yeah that you can go watch.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But here's what was crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So Max had already gone back to school and so
she was gone, but Nikki was the bartender, and Kat
we were taking to college nearby, and Ace, you know,
came also.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So we had three of the four kids.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We're in the green room and watch What Happens Live
and Andy walks in and I looked at him and I go, oh,
my gosh, you've never met our kids.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, he's only seen him on TV yeah or in
the cuts. Yeah. And he met them all except.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
For Mess Yeah, and isn't that And he was like,
I haven't And he walked in.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
He was completely.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Bottling away by how you know, big they are and
grown up?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He wrote me the loveliest.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Text the next day about what nice kids they are.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And you can tell he's a great dad. You can
just tell he's totally dedicated to it. He's into his kids,
he's into the family, family message. He just I think
he was blown away by our kids and how sort
of normal they are.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
He once texted me saying, and this just like a
few months ago, he texted me saying, Nikki is the
guy that we want all of our sons.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To grow up to be. Yeah, And I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But you know, it's interesting because I've known him for
so you know, obviously fifteen years or whatever, he changed
when he had kids. He admits that, I mean, obviously
we all change when we have kids. But he was saying,
the way he relates to all.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Of the wives has changed.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I think he understands sort of the no kids,
no career ethos even better now.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And I have to say, when we were doing all
that press, the feedback I got from our little teaser
episode was really exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah. It's amazing to think we were on a plane
less than what ten hours ago. I know, now we're here.
I just did giant difficult It's so funny. Every time
we get back from a trip like this, I walk
in to do a surgery and it's like the most
difficult surgery.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well of the year, doesn't that always happened?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
This was I walked and I said, really, this is
what I'm coming back to before.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We have so much to talk about. I mean, we
have talked about the house and what really happened there.
I promised everyone that. And we're also we're going to
talk about fit for TV because that is.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So crazy and on so many loves.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But before we get into that, we must talk about
college drop off because oh my gosh, so you all
know we.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Have four kids.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We've done this twice, and we've done this more than
twice because there was the freshman year move in from Maxiniki,
there was the fresh when you move out, there was
a sophomore your door move in, and like, we've done
this a number of times, plus all the summer programs.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They went to, all that kind of thing. This was intense.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Man, is Kat going to hear this?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Are we are we really disclosing? Like do we not
want to do that? Oh, let's just go for it.
Some reason, I think I think it's a typical Yale
student isn't going to necessarily listen to this podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, look, this is just the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I will tell you that I posted very small snippets
of our cats drop off right, and I was inundated
not hundreds, but thousands of messages from people who are
going through that first year drop off, who are about
to go through the first year drop off, who just
did the last year drop off, I mean, all of it.
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It's so unbelievably relatable. And I know the story we're
about to tell everyone will understand. But I'm going to
give you the good, the bad, and the ugly. Basically
the good. I mean, they did this induction ceremony for
freshman class that I have never I mean, was that
not incredible?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, Yale knows how to do an induction.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Ceremony, they really do.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I mean, their choir was amazing, and the speeches that
the dean gave and and the other gal I mean they.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Were wearing the robes. Basically it was Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It was totally Harry Potter. Oh my gosh, You're sitting
like in this squad and there's.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
All these like gorgeous albeit mildly creepy right buildings. Yes, yes, yes,
like you feel like a crow is nearby, and everyone's
wearing robes. And the colleges they each have names like Gryffendorf, Right,
they all have their thing and they have their own
flags and they're Yeah, it's very Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The message that the President and and the Dean gave.
First of all, I thought it was going to be
sort of very no. I thought it was going to
be you know, left leaning, and make references and acknowledgment
about what's going on with the colleges, with particularly the
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elite colleges.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And themtical scene.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The government. They didn't go there at all.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They mentioned it, but they didn't Delphae.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I thought. And when they first started, thought this
is going to be about AI. And it was significantly
in part about AI and where AI is going. And
they used the President of Yale was an art historian
at Yale. She used this painting talking about sort of
the Third Industrial Revolution and then that molded into and
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evolved into the Fourth Industrial Revolution in a way, and AI.
But she really just talked about grit and character and
really sort of established you're in the Yale community and
you're a community among people who have worked very hard
to get here, and now you need to be open
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to everybody and continue to learn and in a way
be bold but humble.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was a lot about what resonated with me was
it was a lot about community, and she was referencing
this painting and talking about you know, AI and Fourth
Industrial Revolution, but also about it was really about inclusivity.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It was about being a good human.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What kind of They both spoke about what kind of
human do.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You want to be? That's what you're here to figure out.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, you're going to figure out what do you want
to do with your life, You're going to figure out
your career, all those things, but what kind of human
do you want to be?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
She walked the line so beautifully, because even if you're
very on one side or another side of the split
country that we lived in, you couldn't be upset by
anything that she says.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
No, it was so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And then the choir singing by the way, how many
times do we cry?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh cried a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, And the day was like perfect, It was sunny
and it was a breeze.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was amazing. And then just so you know, when
you drop your kids off at college. Unless you have
a very different experience than we had, your kids are
going to be douchey.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and remember that stage we talked about from eleven
to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Eight, it comes back.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
There's this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Wait, there's this thing.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know when you talk about the nest, like empty nesters,
flying the nest, flying the coop. There is something that
I have heard about that I've told you about called
shitting the nest. And apparently this is a very common
phenomenon where kids are douchey right before they leave because
it makes it easier.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, thank you, it's so easy. Cat's much easy. Get
seeya bye, see Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
We move her into her room, by the way, the tiniest,
and I've seen some tiny dorm rooms. This was the
tiniest dorm room ever. And so she and this gal
they have bunk beds in this little closet. Then there's
a common room with another two goals and a little
bunk bed and a tiny closet. And you know what,
here's the good part of all of it. They were
all great. Everything fit the girl. Her roommate's lovely, The
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sweet mates are lovely, and they were all I don't
care what walks of life they come from or what
they grew up doing. I'm telling you they were all
just fine. So whatever you think is going to happen,
they're all fine. They brought too many clothes and too
many shoes, and so now it all fits and they
manage and it's great.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But what's interesting is, you know, they're all everybody else's
kids seem to be so perfect and so great until
you talk to their parents.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right, and we're like, why are there kids not upset
or freaking out?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And so their parents were treating them with kids. I mean,
we got the point with Kat where I was going,
can I talk now?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Can I breathe?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm going to And then the best moment, Wait, this
is the best, absolute, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's totally capsulated. Terry and I keep laughing about this.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And by the way, Kat is such a sweet, truly
sweet want we don't say this about all of our
kids now. She has such a sweet.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Wonder child that even she knew she.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Was edgy and she was nervous, of course, totally normal,
and she would go like, I'm really sorry, I'm sorry,
I know I'm being like ed We're walking down the
street and nothing is going on. Tarry and are standing
next to each other. She's walking a step ahead of her,
and we're we're not even looking at each other. We're
looking straight ahead.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
We're not talking as if we're.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
In a chandelier store, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And yeah, yeah, we're just walking forward. And Kat turns
around to look at us to clock what we're doing.
And I thought, oh, we just won. We're looking straight ahead,
we're not glaring at each other.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
This is great. And so she goes and I go
what She goes, Oh, you two are driving me insane.
You're really stress dressing me out.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And I look at Heather and I thought, I purposely
for the last five weeks, laughing nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We were trying not to breathe.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh my. And then it made it so easy to leave.
I mean, at some point I was going, I'm so
out of here. Thanksgiving, forget it, maybe for Christmas.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Sleep all right whatever. She really wasn't even that bad.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But for her it was a change of character, right,
because she's really not like that at all. But I mean,
my gosh, going to college and going to college across
the country, and you know, the gravitas that this particular
school holds.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's a lot, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But the great thing is she's already made some great friends.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And we made some friends.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Which was so amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Her friend's parents were unbelievable, so cool. So yeah, so
we dropped her off and she seems to be acclimating, right, I.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Think, I just know she's going to have the best time.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, and she she looks so cute. And then I
wasn't allowed to take photos. I took secret.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Pure right, which if you post, she'll.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Decide I won't post them.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But like, there was this gorgeous tunnel, and I took
a picture of her from behind walking in because in
my mind I thought, in four years, I want to
I'm gonna cry, I said, but I want a picture
of her like walking out of that tunnel and her
gaping dom. She's amazing, she's so cute, so great, and
don't you just see her there?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh she's perfect for that place. She's so creative and brilliant.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
She's so great friends.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, it's good, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So we've launched three successfully to the world of academia.
One more to go, one more to go, but we
have four years. Well, he's starting high school, which is
a whole nother.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Ball of wax.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And so now we have one child taking care of
the two dogs who immediately pooped last night in the house. Yeah,
oh cat's gone. There we go.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Now the gate's cracked open. That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
For some reason, they are they're not house trained. They
are bathmeat trade. They will always beer poop on any
bath men.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah. Yeah, they're cute, but they suck.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
We, like the nation, are obsessed with Fit for TV,
number one show on Netflix right now. So interestingly, we
are not only friends with doctor Rob Heisinger, he is
our personal physician.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He's our personal physician.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah. So if you're not familiar with Fit for TV,
it's the new docuseries and the number one show all
week every day about the Biggest Loser on Netflix, about
the Biggest Loser. And for those of you who don't know,
the Biggest Loser was a gigantic I think seventeen or
eighteen CE seventeen, I think they got a reality show
about taking obese individuals individuals with obesity. We would say
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in the world of academic obese medicine, now you don't
say obese individuals, you say individuals with obesity. Okay and
bringing them on the show and exposing them to certain diets,
certain exercise to get them to lose weight. And the
one who lost the greatest percentage of weight relative to
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their two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And fifty grands, they put a price tag on they did.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So there was a competitive weight loss show.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Did you ever watch this show back in the day,
because I don't remember us watching this show.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So I remember in two thousand and three and two
thousand and four, I did the show The Swan, which
is widely considered the worst reality show of all time.
I was there sending the worst message about you're not
good enough. And I remember when they canceled, not for
lack of ratings, but when they canceled The Swan, this
new show was about to come out, called The Biggest Loser,
where we're not doing plastic surgery. You're not like that
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terrible show The Swan. We're going to do it healthy.
We're going to send the right and we're they're going
to lose weight through diet and ex size and they're
going to feel great about themselves and we're going to
help America cure the number one cause of you know,
cancer and diabetes and heart disease and neurogenet obesity, and
it turns out to be the worst reality show of all.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Time, the very very dorimental.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
The wrong message with a whole bunch of characters on
this show who did it the absolute wrong way, and
the biggest loser was the biggest loser of reality shows.
And this docu series does a really good job about
outlining this. What's so interesting though, is so there were
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two trainers, Bob Harper and Gillian Michaels.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And I'm sure even if you never watched the show,
if you were around at that time, they were huge
because just to explain how big the Biggest Loser was,
it was a gazillion dollar industry. They had internationally internationally
huge and yeah like American but huge brand deals. They
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had cereal and bars and things, and.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
They were on covers of Maggot.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
They were everywhere, and if I'm not mistaken, Jillian, Bob,
they all got a piece of the merchandising. We think
we well did.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But we can we we don't know for sure, but
who cares?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Rob turned it down?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Rob, Yeah that was a mistake. Yeah, So okay, so
what was what was supposed to replace the Swan with
this great reality show that was empowering and treating the
number one disease that affects America. Turns out to be
the worst, but the worst on so many levels, and
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it's blowing up even today as we speak. Because one
of the participants, Jillian Michaels, who was one of the
two trainers Bob Harper and Jillian Minas, didn't want to
be on the documentary, so you didn't hear her side
of the documentary.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Everyone was in the documentary her except Jillian.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, and so the documentary didn't serve Jillian well. It
portrayed her as being incredibly mean, and it portrayed the
whole show is basically starving these people, exposing them to
five to eight hours of exercise a day, which.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Is which is not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Not only not sustainable, it's it's it's basically if it
were if you call it, if you're treating obesi as
a disease and it's the treatment of the disease, it's
medical malpractice, massive medical malpractice to give them eight hundred
calories a day. And I can tell you medically why
if you're interested and expose them to five hours, because
all you're going to do is lose lean muscle mass,
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including a cardiac muscle, if you over exercise and don't
eat enough to sustain your basal metal bellot great.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And then there's the matter of caffeine, and there's a
lot of controversy even in the documentary about was coffee allowed?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Was coffee not allowed?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And if you were allowing coffee, then why can't I
give caffeine pills? Jillian said on one of the episodes
she actually got dinged. Her team got dinged because they
had signed a deal saying they would not give contestants
anything including caffeine, and she did right.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So Jillian, it didn't do her any favors, and she gets,
in my opinion, looking at the documentary, the brunt of
most of what was wrong with the show in terms
of the way they portrayed it. So Jillian spoke out
this morning, Oh I heard it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
She was on TM. Sheho you think about what she said?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I thought it was, in my opinion, very long and
rambling and my.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Very very difficult to follow.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, And she was very critical of the doctor on
the show, our friend, our personal physician in doctor Heizinga
and by.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The way doctor Hezinga is a Harvard trained.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, he's a brilliant, brilliant doctor who is such a
safety guy. And I know this because he's my doctor.
Trust me, I have to talk about in.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
We've gone on vacation with him before. But I mean,
this is this is not some TV doctor with oh so,
this is not some TV doctor they hired who's going
to follow exactly what they say, no matter how crazy
it is so they can get an entertaining television show.
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This is a guy who's extraordinarily gifted, brilliant, went to
Harvard Medical School.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And has a huge, very high moral compasses.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Very harm and you know, has an enormous practice of
fundamentally basically celebrities, and is one of the most principled,
if not the most principled physician I've ever known. And
so Jillian gets on TMZ and basically starts going tit
for ten at, criticizing him and the way he took
care of these patients. And among the allegations, which I
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don't know, I mean, i've spoke to him today already.
I don't know if one would consider I'm not a lawyer,
consider them defamatory, but they're medically defamatory in my opinion,
isn't that she said specifically that he stopped inappropriately medications
they were taking on the show.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh right, she said he stopped them from taking prozact,
stop them from taking.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Me foreman, you know, and that what do you say
about that? I'll tell you the moment, And that he
went against specialists that these patients, these people were seeing,
and went against their medical advice and did exactly what
he wanted to do. Now, you know, here's the thing.
At the end of the day, doctor Isaina is a
very highly trained Harvard trained physician. Okay, And you know,
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for a personal trainer to have an opinion about doctor
Heizinga's medical judgment is like me having opinion. What do
you do when you you know, you're Tom Brady. Tom
Brady should not have you know, dropped back that way
and called that that play in the foot. It's like,
what do I know?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
We have to interject a small story into this narrative
so people understand how you feel about Jillian Michaels, because
without this context you may not get this. But can
I tell part of the story, yes, please, So I
want you to understand who my husband is and this
is very him. So you have to understand that Terry
is a double board certified surgeon. He was a Board
certified general surgeon and then became a board certified plastic surgeon,
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which was sort of the classic way to become a
plastic surgeon at the time.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Now there's different ways.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
There's truncated, shorter ways to get into it. You could
be an orthopod, like there's other there's other ways to
do it. But anyway to say he's a highly trained
doctor is an understatement. Okay, Well, as many of you know,
Terry really likes talking about GLP ones. He really believes
and we're going to get into this later I think
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with the whole Big Loser Fit TV conversation, but he
truly believes this is these are miracle drugs. And if
you've seen any of the studies, not only weight loss,
but cognitive health, your brain, cardio productive, all these incredible
ancillary benefits that you get from the GLP ones. Well,
to make a long story short, Jillian Michaels started fighting
(23:21):
with Terry in the media about ozembek.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Right, Yeah, I came out and said, what a wonderful
historical medical breakthrough and she said she immediately started saying
significantly negative things about these drugs, and you well, and
that diet and exercise are the way, and these drugs
are a short term and they have all these ex
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scide effects and they're going to damage all these people.
And so we had a little battle where I said, look,
obesity is a disease, okay, and if you want to
get your medical advice from a personal train, I think
that's a bad idea. And then we were walking out
of a restaurant and somebody TMZ asked me about what
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do you think about Julian's advice, and I said, look,
if Jillian wants to give medical advice, I think she
should take the MCATs go to med school, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, So so suffice to say, not fan and not
a fan, but this is who my husbands and so
this was a long way to tell you this story.
He was so irritated by the entire thing that he
went and studied for the Board of Obesity Medicine certification
is a certification like it's a board certification, just like
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he's Board certified in general surgery and plastic surgery. He
studied for the exam and pass and he is now
also Board certified in obesity medicine. That's why I can't
fight ever with my husband, because this.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Is who he is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I thought it was going to be like, not that
big a deal a thing. He just takes these courses
and study this thing and take the exam. Turnout to
be eleven. Yeah, and I thought, why am I doing
just because I got a fight with Jillian Michaels in
the media. This is what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Now, So thanks Jillian, because now, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Now I'm I'm certified by the American Board of Obesity Medicine,
so I can testify in court or in front of
the California Medical Board about the use of these drugs
and the treatment of obesity. Okay, so it's funny that
the show this Docusaries just came out when I've become
a fresh expert in the treatment of obesity.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
All right, So that was a little digression, but I
wanted everyone to understand how you truly.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Feel about not just a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
About Jillian. There you go, You're an obesity medicine expert.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
This show was a unmitigated disaster. I'm calling it the
worst reality show of all time. It's amazing they didn't
kill people. It's amazing that they well, they had a
couple going the hospital went one went into the hospital
with rabdough milyasis, okay, which is basically they worked them
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out so hard should organ failure that her skeletal muscle
broke down, got into her bloodstream and sent her into
organ failure. Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
They put patients on eight hundred calories allegedly, I mean,
that's what it says in the document series. Even though
Rob Heisinger said he put them on no less than
twelve hundred calories a day, they put them on eight
hundred calories a day. Now, it takes for a female
twelve hundred calories a day just to keep your organs alive,
just to keep your heart pumping and your liver working
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and your kidneys filtering your blood. It takes men fifteen
hundred calories just to keep your organs functioning. Okay. If
you put someone on an eight hundred calorie day diet
and you work them out five, six, seven, eight hours
a day, like on this show, where do you think
you're going to get your calories? What do you think
you're going to break down? You're going to break down
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your cardiac muscle, You're going to break down your liver tissue.
You're going to eat yourself to the point where you
are at risk from for sudden cardiac arrest, for rabdough,
for incredible arrhythmias and disasters. It's amazing they got away
with it so long without having a death.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
What was crazy to me as I was watching it
was what I realized was there is no mental health
person anywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
There is no one. It is Bob the trainer.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Screw is forget about the screaming he's having, like the
personal moments with them helping them through their trauma. They're
trauma dumbic. Now listen, I get it. I've had many trainers,
we all trauma dumb, but our trainer. And thank you
to all the trainers that are willing to listen because
it really helps you get through. However, when you're doing
something so extreme like this, it was amazing to me
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that there was no psychologist, no psychiatry, nothing.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It was in fusing an eating disorder, right and meanness
to try to traumatize them to lose weight. Because if
you if you were the trainer and they were on
your team, you won one of your participants to win.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it's like the boys.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And it's not like they had free will. Sure they
signed a consent form, but listen, I can have a
patient sign a consent form for medical malpractice. You know
what I mean. I mean here, I may kill you
if I do things wrong. And by the way, and
then you held out the carret of two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, that's the thing they they're going to do on it.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It was fully and completely unsafe.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Although you heard the producers say if he could go
back in time, he wouldn't have offered money.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
He would have been the prizes your health.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, but no one would have watched it. He says
that now he's sitting pretty in a home in bel
Air with millions and millions of dollars in the bank.
But it wouldn't have been a hit show, right, Yeah,
it was. It was abuse and it was malpractice.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And more than that, I mean the fat shaming of
it all. When you really hear experts talk about it
and the actual contestants, the challenges that they were doing
were they were terrible, you know, having them, there was temptation,
things like and they had to do silly challenges and
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dangerous challenges like all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It was weight loss through starvation and torture.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And then the question of this you know, caffeine issue
and these stackers. And then also Jillian talked about on
the show. You could hear her talking about her personal
supplements that had green tea and whatnot in them. Those
are all stimulants too, and she would.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
She talked, she talked.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They had a clip of her on the dot on
the show, Yeah, talking about those those are stimulus.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah. I mean, I don't want to speak for rob a.
Jillian said that he was giving away ambient like it
was candy. She said that today. That's a line from
her on day And I said, Rob, she said, you're
giving ambient away like candy. He goes go did you
give the participants amby? And he goes I probably gave
eight to ten over eight seventeen seasons. They couldn't sleep,
and I was doing a medical supervision. I was their physician.
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I go, all right, of course you did, all right, ambien? Okay, fine, yeah?
And he goes uh. I said, she said, you gave caffeine.
He goes At some point is very clear they were
going to take caffeine, so we thought we would trade
it so it was under our control, so it was safe.
I thought. He goes Essentially, he says to me, she's
basically judging, she's questioning my medical judgment when she's not
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a physician who's not in a position to question anybody's
medical judgment. So, you know, it'll be interesting to see
what happens in the next several days. I hope they
don't start suing each other because neither of them are
going to win. They're both going to lose. They're gonna
send a lot of money with lawyers.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, you know that New York Post article that came
out years ago that there were a lot of accusations.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
About Rob back then, and he sued.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, probably settled.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
They took that.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
They took the article to go down, and they settled
too because it was wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah. So I think this docuseries is very hot in
the moment. Man. I want everyone to watch it, because
you know, I was always concerned on the Swan that
me and the other doctor were going to be on
the cover of Newsweek and say that we're going to
kill someone who was going to say reality TV has
gone too far and it is going to be us
in one of those promo photos for the Swan.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Oh look at us, we're plastics and then dead.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
That we kill somebody. Luckily that didn't happen. We never,
we never went beyond, but they clearly did on this show.
It's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Let me ask you this though, just reality shows in general.
I'm going to take you back to Glamis.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Okay, So I've.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Been on this show a long time and you know
I am not a daredevil, as you know, but.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know I'm on the show.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
We're going ziplining, we go surfing, We're doing all these things.
And we had gone to this place called Glamus, which
are these sand dunes, and Tamra was there all the
time and driving us in this buggy and if you
remember this.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
She took a turn, the last turn for.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
One last lap around the dunes, and I remember going
no no, no, no, no no no, and the thing
just tipped and I was in the passenger side and
two girls were in the back and Tamra was driving,
and I remember to this day my face going into
the sand because we hit side and then upside down
and then anyway, we rolled right, and I Vicky was
(32:56):
airlifted out of there. I mean there were injuries and
that at that moment, I have never seriously considered the
fact that one could get injured or die because all
the time the yeah and I and they do all
the time and Glamos, yes, But I just mean being
on the show because I think coming from script to TV,
in my mind, I'm always like.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Oh, we're safe.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Was the producer's fault?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
No, that's not all I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Always has everything, does everything right with safety in mind.
They never ever pushed the envelope.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I agree, But what I'm saying is shit happens, right,
But what is my question is what is like to
your point, You're right, they did everything that we had
helmets we were doing. They did everything. But my point is,
what are what are the parameters? Like how much are
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these producers libel for when you are signing up.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
For exactly what you're signing up?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, you can never you know, have patient consent to
negligence to general right, right, So I'm not saying they
were negligent. I'm not a lawyer, okay, because I know
if someone's negligent medically. I'm an expert in medical negligence.
But you know, it's it was weird because that Bob
(34:17):
Harper guy came on as he's talking, I'm listening going,
if I were your brother, I would say, shut up,
you're indicting yourself. So many of the things he's he said,
in my opinion, just were dumb, were ridiculous. But you
know he was giving he wasn't giving medical advice. But
you know, the it seemed to me the people who
(34:38):
are taking care of the participants and the Biggest Loser
were the trainers. But that's the way the docu saries presented.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
The way present is that those trainers were their therapists. Yeah,
their trainers.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
And their doctor. Yes, that's the way presented.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
That was the way it was Bob the trainer.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
And I'm not giving anything away because this was all
over the news when it happened. He was this very
fit guy who was on the Biggest Loser for all
seventeen seasons and then he had a massive heart.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Attack, right, And Jillian in an article said, well, maybe
it has to do with the CrossFit and the paleo diet.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's what she said about him.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's there was a comment that I read and I thought, okay,
again again with the opinions that are not based in
medical science, that make no sense.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right, But as far as the biggest loser is concerned,
their message was if you are fit and healthy, you
won't have these heart diseases. You won't have these things.
And here's the fittest guy of all, trainer Bob, and
he has a massive heart attack.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, yeah, he obviously had congenital.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
He talked about having to make lifestyle jic.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah he did. He did, you know, controls cholesterol or
whatever else he's doing. I didn't think he looked great.
I didn't think anybody looked great except for Rob Heisinga.
Everyone looked bad, from the creator to the executives to
everyone looked culpable for why the show was And do
you blame them? It's like everything else based on greed.
(36:07):
They want to hit TV show, They want to make
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
One of the former contestants was saying, you know what
would have been nice was Aftercare, because you work these
people out like crazy and put them on this restrict
account and then you put them back in the wild
like by sea. And he said, you know, we want
to continue to be helped. Is there a way we can,
you know, just get something. And one of the creators
(36:32):
was like, oh, you know, there's not empty pockets of money,
and these people are making hundreds and hundreds.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
So it's funny. I don't really want to give anything
away because I want everybody to watch it because it's
very entertaining. But so they had previous contestants on okay,
and they tell you that they all gained the weight back. Yeah, okay.
And by the way, if you know anything about obesity medicine,
if you starve someone, the body's physiologically action to that
(37:00):
is it makes this hormone called grellin g h R
E l I N, which is the hunger hormone. So
the more you starve them, the more grellin they're gonna make.
And so the moment they start eating like a normal
human being, there they can't. It's like the worst idea.
(37:21):
It's actually so completely counterintuitive and illogical, and it guarantees
them to fail. The whole show was set up for
post show failure. And then when it's funny because when
you see the contestants that gained weight versus some of
the contestants looked thin and looked good as if it
had worked. And then at the very end they talk
(37:43):
about the GLP one drugs and they tell whether they're
on it now or whether they're not, and you'll see
much to my point with Gillian, the GOLP drugs, whether
good or bad. The only thing ultimately that allowed them
to maintain a good weight was what do you think
(38:04):
it is?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Except for those sisters right right, it was very interesting
to see who of the contestants at the end, when
asked would.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You have done this again?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
They said yes. These gals they massively profited from it too.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
They did great.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
They went on speaking tours and they did great.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
They did a great job.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
But everybody else.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think the reason it ended, though, was because that
one gal showed up at the finale looking very frailly thin.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
The wealthy producer of the end said, well, we think
we sent a message to America and we helped a
lot of people. You know, the problem is back then
the period of time, obesity rates were about twenty five
to twenty nine percent of America. So this is how
much that show helped. Currently it's about thirty five to
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thirty nine percent, or it.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Didn't help it.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It did the opposite.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
And also the message was wrong.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was it was you need to be thin to
be loved, and that is the wrong message. And listen,
people are all different shapes and sizes. Morbid obesity is
bad because of what it does.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
To your health.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So what's the message. The message is, if you're overweight,
if you're obese, not your fault. No, it's a disease.
It's the number one cause of the top four causes
of mortality. And I'm not your doctor, but I recommend
you go to your doctor and talk to them about
monjarro zep bound and increase your protein and do resistance training.
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Don't starve yourself, don't work out five hours a day.
That stuff doesn't work. That is medical, it's abuse, and
it doesn't work. And that's fact.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So if you could reboot the show, like they said
to me, Hey, we want to reboot to Boring, how
do you do it?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Because because I don't think it's you know, we're going
to put them on an injection and we're gonna we're
going to do logical soft exercising with resistance. Don't do
training one hundred and fifty minutes a week and we're
going to put you on higher protein and.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's gonna be scenes of people eating cottage cheese.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Boring, It's it's what kind of cottage jam many Kurds.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's like telling the USC forget that smashing each other
till we knock you out. We're gonna do thumb fights.
We're gonna do thumb fights, and the win, the guy
who buries the other guy's thumb wins.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Did you want a thumbing I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Saying it's it's not yet. You can't do it, you know,
not a thing. That's why Botch works because we start
with the disaster and we try to make it fit.
We try to fix it. We don't. Oh and then
the other thing is they apparently from the docu series
they told people to gain weight before they game on
the show.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Oh, I know, because they wanted to see the delta.
They wanted you to start higher.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, well we used to.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Do that too.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I mean when we used to go to weight watchers,
we'd always eat a huge meal right before and step
on the scale because then you knew your first week
way and was going to be.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But get more, get more body fat and pre sure
being my further so your chances of a heart attack
is even greater before you come home.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
So I normally I'm not very negative about anything I do.
I want to inspire and make people smile and behind
at that show, I had no idea. And f you
for putting down the Swan and saying your show was
so great. Your show sucked.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, let's not you know, get profs Swan great sausage too.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But and I was one of the major participants. But
I never did more eight hours of surgery and I
never put anybody in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
So there's the there's that, there's there's that. That is
so all right, we're completely over time.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
We haven't talked about the house.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh, oh my gosh, you got to hear. We've got
to tell them about the house.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I know, but I don't want to tell the story
in thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You know what people are gonna love. You know why
people are gonna love to hear about the house, because
you know, you know, if you love us, you'll you'll
you'll you'll be interested. If you hate us, for the haters,
you're gonna love to see we missed it for next week.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Look up the word shaddenfroy.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh yeah, Schadenfrey, those who enjoy people's failures, you're.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Going to century and listen.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
If you have kids going back to school, I'm just
going to remind you the younger grades are, you know,
challenging to navigate. The middle school grades are the worst,
very douchey. High school is stressful because of the college thing.
They all end up in the right spot. Do not
worry about it. It's all going to be okay. And
(42:32):
if you're dropping kids of college, I feel you. I
understand it.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
They're going to be It's all going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And if you think your kids are the only douchees
do bags, Oh no.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
They are.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
All kids are douchey.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
It's just don't it's just about it.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
We don't. You don't see the other kids douchey is.
Come over to your house. There's perfect kids.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oh no, you're going to great manners. They their cutlery properly.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Our kids are as douchey as you.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Oh in the wild, they all.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Do oh as much as we love them.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
So we get home, just the last thing.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So we get home and we looked at each other,
and Ace came in and he was having dinner with friends.
So he came in and he said hi to us whatever,
and he left, and we looked at each other, just
alone in the house, and we were like, this is nice,
all right.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Take care of your nest. That's the final thought. Take
care of your
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Nest till we see you next week, and we're going
to tell you about our house mess till then.
I'm Heather Dubrow and I'm Terry Debrow, and we're going
to keep this between us.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Not really, no, not, we're gonna spill it.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
So we just came back from a whirlwind trip from
New York to do press to New Haven to drop
off our daughter. Yeah, so we did this press event.
I do this thing every year called Champs with Heather.
It's my first press event of a new season for Housewives.
And basically what I do is I invite all the
(00:35):
press to come to us and we have champagne and
we serve our doors and they love it and it's
always really fun and it's great because that means we
don't have to run around Manhattan all day.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's a super brilliant idea because there's like twenty to
twenty five outlets that you would normally have to get
in a car, get in an elevator, pass security of
each of the building and go to them. Instead they
come to us, and it becomes like the hot invitation
is to go the Heather's press event. It's really because
you're sir. It was at the Four Seasons you served
(01:06):
open bar, champagne, amazing food, and they sent and had
interviews with you, and it's everyone everyone.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, we just do like a round robin.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Someone sits down with me, I said, at one table,
and everyone else kind of mingles and has you know,
food and drinks and whatnot, and they sit down with
me one time.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
But you know, when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So we started Housewives when our youngest child was nine
months old, and he's about to be fifteen in December.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And we've known that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Some of these press people are new and young, but
some we've known for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yea, So it's fun to see everyone every year.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, they've grown up with our kids in a way.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah, what's super crazy was okay, So if you all
saw it, Nikki was the bartender and watch What Happens Live,
which was so fine.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I got feedback from him about that last night. Oh yeah,
so I said, so you're gonna be the bar pretender
and watch What Happens Live? Think your friends, Oh nobody
knows what Andy Cohen's show is. Yeah, not our age grade,
you're wrong, demographic nobody cares. And he spent He came
home and spent the weekend in Newport Beach in Emerald
Bay on the beach with all the girls and all
(02:15):
the guys. It's like the OC scene. And he said
everybody came up to him. It was spread like wildfire
and it was a major, major cloud thing.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh that's so good. I haven't seen him today.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
It was very cool and he was great on it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I thought he was fantastic. I loved his five things
that make Me Fancy.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
If you haven't seen it, I posted a clip on
my Instagram, yeah that you can go watch.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
But here's what was crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So Max had already gone back to school and so
she was gone, but Nikki was the bartender, and Kat
we were taking to college nearby, and Ace, you know,
came also.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So we had three of the four kids.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
We're in the green room and watch What Happens Live
and Andy walks in and I looked at him and I go, oh,
my gosh, you've never met our kids.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, he's only seen him on TV yeah or in
the cuts. Yeah. And he met them all except.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
For Mess Yeah, and isn't that And he was like,
I haven't And he walked in.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
He was completely.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Bottling away by how you know, big they are and
grown up?
Speaker 3 (03:17):
He wrote me the loveliest.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Text the next day about what nice kids they are.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
And you can tell he's a great dad. You can
just tell he's totally dedicated to it. He's into his kids,
he's into the family, family message. He just I think
he was blown away by our kids and how sort
of normal they are.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Well.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
He once texted me saying, and this just like a
few months ago, he texted me saying, Nikki is the
guy that we want all of our sons.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
To grow up to be. Yeah, And I was like, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
But you know, it's interesting because I've known him for
so you know, obviously fifteen years or whatever, he changed
when he had kids. He admits that, I mean, obviously
we all change when we have kids. But he was saying,
the way he relates to all.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Of the wives has changed.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah. Yeah, I think he understands sort of the no kids,
no career ethos even better now.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah. Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
And I have to say, when we were doing all
that press, the feedback I got from our little teaser
episode was really exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah. It's amazing to think we were on a plane
less than what ten hours ago. I know, now we're here.
I just did giant difficult It's so funny. Every time
we get back from a trip like this, I walk
in to do a surgery and it's like the most
difficult surgery.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well of the year, doesn't that always happened?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
This was I walked and I said, really, this is
what I'm coming back to before.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
We have so much to talk about. I mean, we
have talked about the house and what really happened there.
I promised everyone that. And we're also we're going to
talk about fit for TV because that is.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So crazy and on so many loves.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But before we get into that, we must talk about
college drop off because oh my gosh, so you all
know we.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Have four kids.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We've done this twice, and we've done this more than
twice because there was the freshman year move in from Maxiniki,
there was the fresh when you move out, there was
a sophomore your door move in, and like, we've done
this a number of times, plus all the summer programs.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
They went to, all that kind of thing. This was intense.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Man, is Kat going to hear this?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Are we are we really disclosing? Like do we not
want to do that? Oh, let's just go for it.
Some reason, I think I think it's a typical Yale
student isn't going to necessarily listen to this podcast.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, look, this is just the truth.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I will tell you that I posted very small snippets
of our cats drop off right, and I was inundated
not hundreds, but thousands of messages from people who are
going through that first year drop off, who are about
to go through the first year drop off, who just
did the last year drop off, I mean, all of it.
(05:59):
It's so unbelievably relatable. And I know the story we're
about to tell everyone will understand. But I'm going to
give you the good, the bad, and the ugly. Basically
the good. I mean, they did this induction ceremony for
freshman class that I have never I mean, was that
not incredible?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, Yale knows how to do an induction.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Ceremony, they really do.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I mean, their choir was amazing, and the speeches that
the dean gave and and the other gal I mean they.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Were wearing the robes. Basically it was Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It was totally Harry Potter. Oh my gosh, You're sitting
like in this squad and there's.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
All these like gorgeous albeit mildly creepy right buildings. Yes, yes, yes,
like you feel like a crow is nearby, and everyone's
wearing robes. And the colleges they each have names like Gryffendorf, Right,
they all have their thing and they have their own
flags and they're Yeah, it's very Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
The message that the President and and the Dean gave.
First of all, I thought it was going to be
sort of very no. I thought it was going to
be you know, left leaning, and make references and acknowledgment
about what's going on with the colleges, with particularly the
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elite colleges.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And themtical scene.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The government. They didn't go there at all.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
They mentioned it, but they didn't Delphae.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, I thought. And when they first started, thought this
is going to be about AI. And it was significantly
in part about AI and where AI is going. And
they used the President of Yale was an art historian
at Yale. She used this painting talking about sort of
the Third Industrial Revolution and then that molded into and
(07:45):
evolved into the Fourth Industrial Revolution in a way, and AI.
But she really just talked about grit and character and
really sort of established you're in the Yale community and
you're a community among people who have worked very hard
to get here, and now you need to be open
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to everybody and continue to learn and in a way
be bold but humble.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was a lot about what resonated with me was
it was a lot about community, and she was referencing
this painting and talking about you know, AI and Fourth
Industrial Revolution, but also about it was really about inclusivity.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It was about being a good human.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
What kind of They both spoke about what kind of
human do.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
You want to be? That's what you're here to figure out.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, you're going to figure out what do you want
to do with your life, You're going to figure out
your career, all those things, but what kind of human
do you want to be?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
She walked the line so beautifully, because even if you're
very on one side or another side of the split
country that we lived in, you couldn't be upset by
anything that she says.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
No, it was so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And then the choir singing by the way, how many
times do we cry?
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Oh cried a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, And the day was like perfect, It was sunny
and it was a breeze.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It was amazing. And then just so you know, when
you drop your kids off at college. Unless you have
a very different experience than we had, your kids are
going to be douchey.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, and remember that stage we talked about from eleven
to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Eight, it comes back.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
There's this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Wait, there's this thing.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know when you talk about the nest, like empty nesters,
flying the nest, flying the coop. There is something that
I have heard about that I've told you about called
shitting the nest. And apparently this is a very common
phenomenon where kids are douchey right before they leave because
it makes it easier.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, thank you, it's so easy. Cat's much easy. Get
seeya bye, see Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
We move her into her room, by the way, the tiniest,
and I've seen some tiny dorm rooms. This was the
tiniest dorm room ever. And so she and this gal
they have bunk beds in this little closet. Then there's
a common room with another two goals and a little
bunk bed and a tiny closet. And you know what,
here's the good part of all of it. They were
all great. Everything fit the girl. Her roommate's lovely, The
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sweet mates are lovely, and they were all I don't
care what walks of life they come from or what
they grew up doing. I'm telling you they were all
just fine. So whatever you think is going to happen,
they're all fine. They brought too many clothes and too
many shoes, and so now it all fits and they
manage and it's great.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But what's interesting is, you know, they're all everybody else's
kids seem to be so perfect and so great until
you talk to their parents.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Right, and we're like, why are there kids not upset
or freaking out?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And so their parents were treating them with kids. I mean,
we got the point with Kat where I was going,
can I talk now?
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Can I breathe?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm going to And then the best moment, Wait, this
is the best, absolute, the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's totally capsulated. Terry and I keep laughing about this.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And by the way, Kat is such a sweet, truly
sweet want we don't say this about all of our
kids now. She has such a sweet.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Wonder child that even she knew she.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Was edgy and she was nervous, of course, totally normal,
and she would go like, I'm really sorry, I'm sorry,
I know I'm being like ed We're walking down the
street and nothing is going on. Tarry and are standing
next to each other. She's walking a step ahead of her,
and we're we're not even looking at each other. We're
looking straight ahead.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
We're not talking as if we're.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
In a chandelier store, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And yeah, yeah, we're just walking forward. And Kat turns
around to look at us to clock what we're doing.
And I thought, oh, we just won. We're looking straight ahead,
we're not glaring at each other.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
This is great. And so she goes and I go
what She goes, Oh, you two are driving me insane.
You're really stress dressing me out.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And I look at Heather and I thought, I purposely
for the last five weeks, laughing nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
We were trying not to breathe.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Oh my. And then it made it so easy to leave.
I mean, at some point I was going, I'm so
out of here. Thanksgiving, forget it, maybe for Christmas.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Sleep all right whatever. She really wasn't even that bad.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But for her it was a change of character, right,
because she's really not like that at all. But I mean,
my gosh, going to college and going to college across
the country, and you know, the gravitas that this particular
school holds.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's a lot, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
But the great thing is she's already made some great friends.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And we made some friends.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Which was so amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Her friend's parents were unbelievable, so cool. So yeah, so
we dropped her off and she seems to be acclimating, right, I.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Think, I just know she's going to have the best time.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, and she she looks so cute. And then I
wasn't allowed to take photos. I took secret.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Pure right, which if you post, she'll.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Decide I won't post them.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
But like, there was this gorgeous tunnel, and I took
a picture of her from behind walking in because in
my mind I thought, in four years, I want to
I'm gonna cry, I said, but I want a picture
of her like walking out of that tunnel and her
gaping dom. She's amazing, she's so cute, so great, and
don't you just see her there?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Oh she's perfect for that place. She's so creative and brilliant.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
She's so great friends.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, it's good, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
So we've launched three successfully to the world of academia.
One more to go, one more to go, but we
have four years. Well, he's starting high school, which is
a whole nother.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Ball of wax.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And so now we have one child taking care of
the two dogs who immediately pooped last night in the house. Yeah,
oh cat's gone. There we go.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Now the gate's cracked open. That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
For some reason, they are they're not house trained. They
are bathmeat trade. They will always beer poop on any
bath men.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah. Yeah, they're cute, but they suck.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
We, like the nation, are obsessed with Fit for TV,
number one show on Netflix right now. So interestingly, we
are not only friends with doctor Rob Heisinger, he is
our personal physician.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
He's our personal physician.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah. So if you're not familiar with Fit for TV,
it's the new docuseries and the number one show all
week every day about the Biggest Loser on Netflix, about
the Biggest Loser. And for those of you who don't know,
the Biggest Loser was a gigantic I think seventeen or
eighteen CE seventeen, I think they got a reality show
about taking obese individuals individuals with obesity. We would say
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in the world of academic obese medicine, now you don't
say obese individuals, you say individuals with obesity. Okay and
bringing them on the show and exposing them to certain diets,
certain exercise to get them to lose weight. And the
one who lost the greatest percentage of weight relative to
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their two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And fifty grands, they put a price tag on they did.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
So there was a competitive weight loss show.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Did you ever watch this show back in the day,
because I don't remember us watching this show.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So I remember in two thousand and three and two
thousand and four, I did the show The Swan, which
is widely considered the worst reality show of all time.
I was there sending the worst message about you're not
good enough. And I remember when they canceled, not for
lack of ratings, but when they canceled The Swan, this
new show was about to come out, called The Biggest Loser,
where we're not doing plastic surgery. You're not like that
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terrible show The Swan. We're going to do it healthy.
We're going to send the right and we're they're going
to lose weight through diet and ex size and they're
going to feel great about themselves and we're going to
help America cure the number one cause of you know,
cancer and diabetes and heart disease and neurogenet obesity, and
it turns out to be the worst reality show of all.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Time, the very very dorimental.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
The wrong message with a whole bunch of characters on
this show who did it the absolute wrong way, and
the biggest loser was the biggest loser of reality shows.
And this docu series does a really good job about
outlining this. What's so interesting though, is so there were
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two trainers, Bob Harper and Gillian Michaels.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
And I'm sure even if you never watched the show,
if you were around at that time, they were huge
because just to explain how big the Biggest Loser was,
it was a gazillion dollar industry. They had internationally internationally
huge and yeah like American but huge brand deals. They
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had cereal and bars and things, and.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
They were on covers of Maggot.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
They were everywhere, and if I'm not mistaken, Jillian, Bob,
they all got a piece of the merchandising. We think
we well did.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But we can we we don't know for sure, but
who cares?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Rob turned it down?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Rob, Yeah that was a mistake. Yeah, So okay, so
what was what was supposed to replace the Swan with
this great reality show that was empowering and treating the
number one disease that affects America. Turns out to be
the worst, but the worst on so many levels, and
(17:48):
it's blowing up even today as we speak. Because one
of the participants, Jillian Michaels, who was one of the
two trainers Bob Harper and Jillian Minas, didn't want to
be on the documentary, so you didn't hear her side
of the documentary.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Everyone was in the documentary her except Jillian.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, and so the documentary didn't serve Jillian well. It
portrayed her as being incredibly mean, and it portrayed the
whole show is basically starving these people, exposing them to
five to eight hours of exercise a day, which.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Is which is not sustainable.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Not only not sustainable, it's it's it's basically if it
were if you call it, if you're treating obesi as
a disease and it's the treatment of the disease, it's
medical malpractice, massive medical malpractice to give them eight hundred
calories a day. And I can tell you medically why
if you're interested and expose them to five hours, because
all you're going to do is lose lean muscle mass,
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including a cardiac muscle, if you over exercise and don't
eat enough to sustain your basal metal bellot great.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
And then there's the matter of caffeine, and there's a
lot of controversy even in the documentary about was coffee allowed?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Was coffee not allowed?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
And if you were allowing coffee, then why can't I
give caffeine pills? Jillian said on one of the episodes
she actually got dinged. Her team got dinged because they
had signed a deal saying they would not give contestants
anything including caffeine, and she did right.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So Jillian, it didn't do her any favors, and she gets,
in my opinion, looking at the documentary, the brunt of
most of what was wrong with the show in terms
of the way they portrayed it. So Jillian spoke out
this morning, Oh I heard it.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
She was on TM. Sheho you think about what she said?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I thought it was, in my opinion, very long and
rambling and my.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Very very difficult to follow.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Yeah, And she was very critical of the doctor on
the show, our friend, our personal physician in doctor Heizinga
and by.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
The way doctor Hezinga is a Harvard trained.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, he's a brilliant, brilliant doctor who is such a
safety guy. And I know this because he's my doctor.
Trust me, I have to talk about in.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
We've gone on vacation with him before. But I mean,
this is this is not some TV doctor with oh so,
this is not some TV doctor they hired who's going
to follow exactly what they say, no matter how crazy
it is so they can get an entertaining television show.
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This is a guy who's extraordinarily gifted, brilliant, went to
Harvard Medical School.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
And has a huge, very high moral compasses.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Very harm and you know, has an enormous practice of
fundamentally basically celebrities, and is one of the most principled,
if not the most principled physician I've ever known. And
so Jillian gets on TMZ and basically starts going tit
for ten at, criticizing him and the way he took
care of these patients. And among the allegations, which I
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don't know, I mean, i've spoke to him today already.
I don't know if one would consider I'm not a lawyer,
consider them defamatory, but they're medically defamatory in my opinion,
isn't that she said specifically that he stopped inappropriately medications
they were taking on the show.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh right, she said he stopped them from taking prozact,
stop them from taking.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Me foreman, you know, and that what do you say
about that? I'll tell you the moment, And that he
went against specialists that these patients, these people were seeing,
and went against their medical advice and did exactly what
he wanted to do. Now, you know, here's the thing.
At the end of the day, doctor Isaina is a
very highly trained Harvard trained physician. Okay, And you know,
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for a personal trainer to have an opinion about doctor
Heizinga's medical judgment is like me having opinion. What do
you do when you you know, you're Tom Brady. Tom
Brady should not have you know, dropped back that way
and called that that play in the foot. It's like,
what do I know?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
We have to interject a small story into this narrative
so people understand how you feel about Jillian Michaels, because
without this context you may not get this. But can
I tell part of the story, yes, please, So I
want you to understand who my husband is and this
is very him. So you have to understand that Terry
is a double board certified surgeon. He was a Board
certified general surgeon and then became a board certified plastic surgeon,
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which was sort of the classic way to become a
plastic surgeon at the time.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Now there's different ways.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
There's truncated, shorter ways to get into it. You could
be an orthopod, like there's other there's other ways to
do it. But anyway to say he's a highly trained
doctor is an understatement. Okay, Well, as many of you know,
Terry really likes talking about GLP ones. He really believes
and we're going to get into this later I think
(22:59):
with the whole Big Loser Fit TV conversation, but he
truly believes this is these are miracle drugs. And if
you've seen any of the studies, not only weight loss,
but cognitive health, your brain, cardio productive, all these incredible
ancillary benefits that you get from the GLP ones. Well,
to make a long story short, Jillian Michaels started fighting
(23:21):
with Terry in the media about ozembek.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Right, Yeah, I came out and said, what a wonderful
historical medical breakthrough and she said she immediately started saying
significantly negative things about these drugs, and you well, and
that diet and exercise are the way, and these drugs
are a short term and they have all these ex
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scide effects and they're going to damage all these people.
And so we had a little battle where I said, look,
obesity is a disease, okay, and if you want to
get your medical advice from a personal train, I think
that's a bad idea. And then we were walking out
of a restaurant and somebody TMZ asked me about what
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do you think about Julian's advice, and I said, look,
if Jillian wants to give medical advice, I think she
should take the MCATs go to med school, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, So so suffice to say, not fan and not
a fan, but this is who my husbands and so
this was a long way to tell you this story.
He was so irritated by the entire thing that he
went and studied for the Board of Obesity Medicine certification
is a certification like it's a board certification, just like
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he's Board certified in general surgery and plastic surgery. He
studied for the exam and pass and he is now
also Board certified in obesity medicine. That's why I can't
fight ever with my husband, because this.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Is who he is. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I thought it was going to be like, not that
big a deal a thing. He just takes these courses
and study this thing and take the exam. Turnout to
be eleven. Yeah, and I thought, why am I doing
just because I got a fight with Jillian Michaels in
the media. This is what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Now, So thanks Jillian, because now, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Now I'm I'm certified by the American Board of Obesity Medicine,
so I can testify in court or in front of
the California Medical Board about the use of these drugs
and the treatment of obesity. Okay, so it's funny that
the show this Docusaries just came out when I've become
a fresh expert in the treatment of obesity.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Right exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
All right, So that was a little digression, but I
wanted everyone to understand how you truly.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Feel about not just a plastic surgeon.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
About Jillian. There you go, You're an obesity medicine expert.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
This show was a unmitigated disaster. I'm calling it the
worst reality show of all time. It's amazing they didn't
kill people. It's amazing that they well, they had a
couple going the hospital went one went into the hospital
with rabdough milyasis, okay, which is basically they worked them
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out so hard should organ failure that her skeletal muscle
broke down, got into her bloodstream and sent her into
organ failure. Okay.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
They put patients on eight hundred calories allegedly, I mean,
that's what it says in the document series. Even though
Rob Heisinger said he put them on no less than
twelve hundred calories a day, they put them on eight
hundred calories a day. Now, it takes for a female
twelve hundred calories a day just to keep your organs alive,
just to keep your heart pumping and your liver working
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and your kidneys filtering your blood. It takes men fifteen
hundred calories just to keep your organs functioning. Okay. If
you put someone on an eight hundred calorie day diet
and you work them out five, six, seven, eight hours
a day, like on this show, where do you think
you're going to get your calories? What do you think
you're going to break down? You're going to break down
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your cardiac muscle, You're going to break down your liver tissue.
You're going to eat yourself to the point where you
are at risk from for sudden cardiac arrest, for rabdough,
for incredible arrhythmias and disasters. It's amazing they got away
with it so long without having a death.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
What was crazy to me as I was watching it
was what I realized was there is no mental health
person anywhere.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
There is no one. It is Bob the trainer.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Screw is forget about the screaming he's having, like the
personal moments with them helping them through their trauma. They're
trauma dumbic. Now listen, I get it. I've had many trainers,
we all trauma dumb, but our trainer. And thank you
to all the trainers that are willing to listen because
it really helps you get through. However, when you're doing
something so extreme like this, it was amazing to me
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that there was no psychologist, no psychiatry, nothing.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It was in fusing an eating disorder, right and meanness
to try to traumatize them to lose weight. Because if
you if you were the trainer and they were on
your team, you won one of your participants to win.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, it's like the boys.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And it's not like they had free will. Sure they
signed a consent form, but listen, I can have a
patient sign a consent form for medical malpractice. You know
what I mean. I mean here, I may kill you
if I do things wrong. And by the way, and
then you held out the carret of two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, that's the thing they they're going to do on it.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It was fully and completely unsafe.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Although you heard the producers say if he could go
back in time, he wouldn't have offered money.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
He would have been the prizes your health.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Yeah, but no one would have watched it. He says
that now he's sitting pretty in a home in bel
Air with millions and millions of dollars in the bank.
But it wouldn't have been a hit show, right, Yeah,
it was. It was abuse and it was malpractice.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And more than that, I mean the fat shaming of
it all. When you really hear experts talk about it
and the actual contestants, the challenges that they were doing
were they were terrible, you know, having them, there was temptation,
things like and they had to do silly challenges and
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dangerous challenges like all kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
It was weight loss through starvation and torture.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
And then the question of this you know, caffeine issue
and these stackers. And then also Jillian talked about on
the show. You could hear her talking about her personal
supplements that had green tea and whatnot in them. Those
are all stimulants too, and she would.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
She talked, she talked.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
They had a clip of her on the dot on
the show, Yeah, talking about those those are stimulus.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah. I mean, I don't want to speak for rob a.
Jillian said that he was giving away ambient like it
was candy. She said that today. That's a line from
her on day And I said, Rob, she said, you're
giving ambient away like candy. He goes go did you
give the participants amby? And he goes I probably gave
eight to ten over eight seventeen seasons. They couldn't sleep,
and I was doing a medical supervision. I was their physician.
(30:24):
I go, all right, of course you did, all right, ambien? Okay, fine, yeah?
And he goes uh. I said, she said, you gave caffeine.
He goes At some point is very clear they were
going to take caffeine, so we thought we would trade
it so it was under our control, so it was safe.
I thought. He goes Essentially, he says to me, she's
basically judging, she's questioning my medical judgment when she's not
(30:47):
a physician who's not in a position to question anybody's
medical judgment. So, you know, it'll be interesting to see
what happens in the next several days. I hope they
don't start suing each other because neither of them are
going to win. They're both going to lose. They're gonna
send a lot of money with lawyers.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Well, you know that New York Post article that came
out years ago that there were a lot of accusations.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
About Rob back then, and he sued.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, probably settled.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
They took that.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
They took the article to go down, and they settled
too because it was wrong.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah. So I think this docuseries is very hot in
the moment. Man. I want everyone to watch it, because
you know, I was always concerned on the Swan that
me and the other doctor were going to be on
the cover of Newsweek and say that we're going to
kill someone who was going to say reality TV has
gone too far and it is going to be us
in one of those promo photos for the Swan.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Oh look at us, we're plastics and then dead.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
That we kill somebody. Luckily that didn't happen. We never,
we never went beyond, but they clearly did on this show.
It's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Let me ask you this though, just reality shows in general.
I'm going to take you back to Glamis.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Okay, So I've.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Been on this show a long time and you know
I am not a daredevil, as you know, but.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
You know I'm on the show.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
We're going ziplining, we go surfing, We're doing all these things.
And we had gone to this place called Glamus, which
are these sand dunes, and Tamra was there all the
time and driving us in this buggy and if you
remember this.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
She took a turn, the last turn for.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
One last lap around the dunes, and I remember going
no no, no, no, no no no, and the thing
just tipped and I was in the passenger side and
two girls were in the back and Tamra was driving,
and I remember to this day my face going into
the sand because we hit side and then upside down
and then anyway, we rolled right, and I Vicky was
(32:56):
airlifted out of there. I mean there were injuries and
that at that moment, I have never seriously considered the
fact that one could get injured or die because all
the time the yeah and I and they do all
the time and Glamos, yes, But I just mean being
on the show because I think coming from script to TV,
in my mind, I'm always like.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Oh, we're safe.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Was the producer's fault?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
No, that's not all I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Always has everything, does everything right with safety in mind.
They never ever pushed the envelope.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I agree, But what I'm saying is shit happens, right,
But what is my question is what is like to
your point, You're right, they did everything that we had
helmets we were doing. They did everything. But my point is,
what are what are the parameters? Like how much are
(33:50):
these producers libel for when you are signing up.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
For exactly what you're signing up?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Well, you can never you know, have patient consent to
negligence to general right, right, So I'm not saying they
were negligent. I'm not a lawyer, okay, because I know
if someone's negligent medically. I'm an expert in medical negligence.
But you know, it's it was weird because that Bob
(34:17):
Harper guy came on as he's talking, I'm listening going,
if I were your brother, I would say, shut up,
you're indicting yourself. So many of the things he's he said,
in my opinion, just were dumb, were ridiculous. But you
know he was giving he wasn't giving medical advice. But
you know, the it seemed to me the people who
(34:38):
are taking care of the participants and the Biggest Loser
were the trainers. But that's the way the docu saries presented.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
The way present is that those trainers were their therapists. Yeah,
their trainers.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
And their doctor. Yes, that's the way presented.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
That was the way it was Bob the trainer.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
And I'm not giving anything away because this was all
over the news when it happened. He was this very
fit guy who was on the Biggest Loser for all
seventeen seasons and then he had a massive heart.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Attack, right, And Jillian in an article said, well, maybe
it has to do with the CrossFit and the paleo diet.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's what she said about him.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's there was a comment that I read and I thought, okay,
again again with the opinions that are not based in
medical science, that make no sense.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right, But as far as the biggest loser is concerned,
their message was if you are fit and healthy, you
won't have these heart diseases. You won't have these things.
And here's the fittest guy of all, trainer Bob, and
he has a massive heart attack.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Well, yeah, he obviously had congenital.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
He talked about having to make lifestyle jic.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah he did. He did, you know, controls cholesterol or
whatever else he's doing. I didn't think he looked great.
I didn't think anybody looked great except for Rob Heisinga.
Everyone looked bad, from the creator to the executives to
everyone looked culpable for why the show was And do
you blame them? It's like everything else based on greed.
(36:07):
They want to hit TV show, They want to make
a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
One of the former contestants was saying, you know what
would have been nice was Aftercare, because you work these
people out like crazy and put them on this restrict
account and then you put them back in the wild
like by sea. And he said, you know, we want
to continue to be helped. Is there a way we can,
you know, just get something. And one of the creators
(36:32):
was like, oh, you know, there's not empty pockets of money,
and these people are making hundreds and hundreds.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
So it's funny. I don't really want to give anything
away because I want everybody to watch it because it's
very entertaining. But so they had previous contestants on okay,
and they tell you that they all gained the weight back. Yeah, okay.
And by the way, if you know anything about obesity medicine,
if you starve someone, the body's physiologically action to that
(37:00):
is it makes this hormone called grellin g h R
E l I N, which is the hunger hormone. So
the more you starve them, the more grellin they're gonna make.
And so the moment they start eating like a normal
human being, there they can't. It's like the worst idea.
(37:21):
It's actually so completely counterintuitive and illogical, and it guarantees
them to fail. The whole show was set up for
post show failure. And then when it's funny because when
you see the contestants that gained weight versus some of
the contestants looked thin and looked good as if it
had worked. And then at the very end they talk
(37:43):
about the GLP one drugs and they tell whether they're
on it now or whether they're not, and you'll see
much to my point with Gillian, the GOLP drugs, whether
good or bad. The only thing ultimately that allowed them
to maintain a good weight was what do you think
(38:04):
it is?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Except for those sisters right right, it was very interesting
to see who of the contestants at the end, when
asked would.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
You have done this again?
Speaker 2 (38:15):
They said yes. These gals they massively profited from it too.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
They did great.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
They went on speaking tours and they did great.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
They did a great job.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
But everybody else.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think the reason it ended, though, was because that
one gal showed up at the finale looking very frailly thin.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
The wealthy producer of the end said, well, we think
we sent a message to America and we helped a
lot of people. You know, the problem is back then
the period of time, obesity rates were about twenty five
to twenty nine percent of America. So this is how
much that show helped. Currently it's about thirty five to
(38:52):
thirty nine percent, or it.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Didn't help it.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
It did the opposite.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
And also the message was wrong.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It was it was you need to be thin to
be loved, and that is the wrong message. And listen,
people are all different shapes and sizes. Morbid obesity is
bad because of what it does.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
To your health.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
So what's the message. The message is, if you're overweight,
if you're obese, not your fault. No, it's a disease.
It's the number one cause of the top four causes
of mortality. And I'm not your doctor, but I recommend
you go to your doctor and talk to them about
monjarro zep bound and increase your protein and do resistance training.
(39:30):
Don't starve yourself, don't work out five hours a day.
That stuff doesn't work. That is medical, it's abuse, and
it doesn't work. And that's fact.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
So if you could reboot the show, like they said
to me, Hey, we want to reboot to Boring, how
do you do it?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Because because I don't think it's you know, we're going
to put them on an injection and we're gonna we're
going to do logical soft exercising with resistance. Don't do
training one hundred and fifty minutes a week and we're
going to put you on higher protein and.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It's gonna be scenes of people eating cottage cheese.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Boring, It's it's what kind of cottage jam many Kurds.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's like telling the USC forget that smashing each other
till we knock you out. We're gonna do thumb fights.
We're gonna do thumb fights, and the win, the guy
who buries the other guy's thumb wins.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Did you want a thumbing I'm.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Saying it's it's not yet. You can't do it, you know,
not a thing. That's why Botch works because we start
with the disaster and we try to make it fit.
We try to fix it. We don't. Oh and then
the other thing is they apparently from the docu series
they told people to gain weight before they game on
the show.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Oh, I know, because they wanted to see the delta.
They wanted you to start higher.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, well we used to.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Do that too.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
I mean when we used to go to weight watchers,
we'd always eat a huge meal right before and step
on the scale because then you knew your first week
way and was going to be.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
But get more, get more body fat and pre sure
being my further so your chances of a heart attack
is even greater before you come home.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
So I normally I'm not very negative about anything I do.
I want to inspire and make people smile and behind
at that show, I had no idea. And f you
for putting down the Swan and saying your show was
so great. Your show sucked.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Well, let's not you know, get profs Swan great sausage too.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But and I was one of the major participants. But
I never did more eight hours of surgery and I
never put anybody in the hospital.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
So there's the there's that, there's there's that. That is
so all right, we're completely over time.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
We haven't talked about the house.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Oh, oh my gosh, you got to hear. We've got
to tell them about the house.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I know, but I don't want to tell the story
in thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
You know what people are gonna love. You know why
people are gonna love to hear about the house, because
you know, you know, if you love us, you'll you'll
you'll you'll be interested. If you hate us, for the haters,
you're gonna love to see we missed it for next week.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
Look up the word shaddenfroy.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Oh yeah, Schadenfrey, those who enjoy people's failures, you're.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Going to century and listen.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
If you have kids going back to school, I'm just
going to remind you the younger grades are, you know,
challenging to navigate. The middle school grades are the worst,
very douchey. High school is stressful because of the college thing.
They all end up in the right spot. Do not
worry about it. It's all going to be okay. And
(42:32):
if you're dropping kids of college, I feel you. I
understand it.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
They're going to be It's all going to be okay.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
And if you think your kids are the only douchees
do bags, Oh no.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
They are.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
All kids are douchey.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
It's just don't it's just about it.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
We don't. You don't see the other kids douchey is.
Come over to your house. There's perfect kids.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Oh no, you're going to great manners. They their cutlery properly.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Our kids are as douchey as you.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
Oh in the wild, they all.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Do oh as much as we love them.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
So we get home, just the last thing.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So we get home and we looked at each other,
and Ace came in and he was having dinner with friends.
So he came in and he said hi to us whatever,
and he left, and we looked at each other, just
alone in the house, and we were like, this is nice,
all right.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Take care of your nest. That's the final thought. Take
care of your
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Nest till we see you next week, and we're going
to tell you about our house mess till then.
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