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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond
Contact we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some
of the classic cases, and bring you the latest information
from the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we are showcasing part two of our podcast, recorded live
in front of an audience at this year's Contact in
the Desert. It has more UFO updates and happenings at
the Contact in the Desert UFO conference in Indian Wells
with me and producer Brie. Hey, since we're here live
at Contact, does anybody up here want to come up
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here and tell us about their experience of contact?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Come on up here, brother, Yeah, We've had.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Really interesting year this year, and I'd like to hear
from anyone else who wants to talk about anybody.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Hi, thank you Captain Ron, Thank you Brie. I appreciate
you allowing me to come up here and so be sure.
So what'd you think of the conference? Oh? I thought
the conference is fantastic. This have you gone before? Yeah?
This is my six or seventh?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Okay, yeah, I went a couple of years up in Joshua.
I think the last two, you know, before they left,
and then I think I've been to everyone since it's
been here in Indian Wells. Yeah, and I greatly appreciate
you organizing it so we can all be here together.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
What do you feel what progression has been? Have you
noticed a change or an evolution of the Savender? Is
its the same? What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Oh? Yeah, it's definitely evolved.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I think that the uh, the quality of the speakers
uh is improved.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
In this in this manner.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
And what I mean by that is because I don't
want to feel like I'm dissing people here preciously, but
I think, as you both mentioned, there's a lot of
PhDs here, and I think that the people that the speakers,
they've devoted a lot of time and effort into their
craft and they and and also I feel like they've
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done it with a lot of scientific rigor, you know,
a lot of and they just have the bona fides
about them is terrific. What was your favorite part of
this year of that well, in terms of speakers, I
would say my favorites are Chris Bledsoe, Ross Coltheart and
Thomas Jane Sure, you know, as far as speakers goes,
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And I of course I love meeting with people. As
you two are already stated, it's a lot of fun
to get together with people who have the same or
similar intellectual curiosity saying concerns.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, so intellectual curiosity is a good thing. I think
that should be on the poster nexture. Maybe that's a
tagline for next year. Intellectual curiosity is really what this
event is all about. I mean, we all, you know,
we try to keep it right down the middle. And
what is this thing? What is telepathy? What are these UAPs.
What are these things these pilots are claiming to see.
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I'm intellectually curious, you know, what could that be? And
it's interesting to speculate or hear people's accounts write back down.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Yeah, I was talking to h Dean Alioto and Deane's fantastic,
by the way, as is his film.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Did you get a chance to see his films? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well he actually Dean Aliotto did two films. Actually they're
one hour each and they're The Alien Perspective Part one
and two.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
What did you think of that? I thought they were terrific.
I mean, he has a lot of unique insights that
I felt were important to illustrate in the in both films.
A lot of PhDs in his film as well.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Absolutely, Yeah, I love the fact and I told him
this yesterday. I love the fact that he referenced, uh
several times the cell phones and how they are influencing society.
And to me that was actually poignant because I happened
to be a school teacher and I'm playing hooky today.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But uh, but.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
All right, which school distrusted where I was supposed to
be because I think we need to so.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
But but how this affects my students, and I've noticed
it over the years, and unfortunately it's not not such
you know, in a great way. There's been a lot
of downside to it. I can see their attention levels dropping,
and then their effort level is dropping because you can
get such powerful information instantaneously.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know, it's fascinating. You brought this up. If I
could interject and say something here. So this morning at
seven am, Gordon and I had breakfast and I said,
you know, yes, we did a good job. Yes we
worked very hard on all these things that made this event.
It just had a great vibe and feel this year
that was unique and genuinely better than ever that with
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the camaraderie and the peacefulness. There's two comments that I
have about the thing that I noticed that I think
is remarkable. Number One, I think part of the whole
vibe and fun was the world's a toilet right now.
There's there's there's wars, there's political arguments every day everybody
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it feels like in your day to day life, everybody's frustrated,
everybody's fed up, nobody's arguing, and there's this tension, and
then you come to this gorgeous resort with the palm freeze,
with the mountains with water. Look at the view we
have here, for God's sake. There it's gorgeous, it's relaxing,
it's warm. We all come together and we kind of
escaped the real world for five days. So that was
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part one. Part two is I also mentioned that even
in my day to day life, just walking down the
street in La, the five guys hanging on to the
other dolls standers are looking at their cell phones, not
looking at not even looking at each other.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And I brought someone that was.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
With me up on the stairs and we overlooked the
lobby and there's literally four or five hundred people in there.
I said, look, no one has their cell phone out,
and if you did see your cell phone out, is
because they want to take pictures together, right, which is fine.
Nobody is caught up in their social media bullshit, and
they're not caught up in what happened today, what politics
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and who tweeted what. It almost felt like a throwback
to twenty years ago. Hey, we can have a kind
of conversation with human interaction. So I genuinely think that
the human interaction that we had, we get credit for that,
but it really is just the fact that people put
their phones down and we talked together. I really do
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think that was part of it. Yeah, I completely agree.
I echo all the sentiments you just said. Yeah, it
is a beautiful place to come to.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
And you know, I could just forget about what's going on, yes,
and really immerse myself in something that I enjoy and love.
And then yes, I saw somebody here that I met
here last year, and and I knew him, you know,
but and then his name happens to me, Michael, and
he remembered me because I was the person who asked
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Daniel Sheehan to tell us what we knew about the
JFKs as.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh my god, you're the guy I know someone asked
that question, and and and and Danny dropped it right.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
He did live here at contact first time ever. That
was incredible. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, thank you. So yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
So he had remembered me from doing that, and it
was good to see him again. And while I was
standing in line waiting asked a question at one of
the presentations, another man next to me and his name
is Joshua from I believe San Diego. He just appreciated
the fact that he could talk to me, and I
knew what he and I knew what he where he
was coming from, and when he you know, and and
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I didn't poop poo what he had to say, unlike
ninety nine other percent of the people.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know, like I deal with everything that briefs as
to us of these meetings, So I understand exactly what
you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, so I do think. Yeah, it was very enjoyable.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
The camaraderie and you can you can pretty much talk
to everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
There are three levels to me of this, which is
contact brings us here because we all have some curiosity
about potential contact with non human intelligence, whatever that may be.
The next level of contact is the thing you're talking
about about here, which is us talking to each other,
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and then the chance to interact with our speakers. Our
podcasters are filmmakers. What you don't get to do you
see them on YouTube. It's a different thing. When we
come back, we're going to be talking more about this
year's contact in the Desert conference and UFOs as we
record our show live in front of an audience. You're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
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Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
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It's Captain Ron and we're going to pick up where
we left off at the live show from Contacting the
Desert twenty twenty five. You know, if I could share
another anecdote, it's I was in Roswell about ten years
ago and I met Don Schmidt there, who I think
is outstanding, and he was recounting to me how he
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I said, what makes you think this is real?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
What?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Why are you on the hook? He says, Well, you
read these stories, you hear these things. He says, but
I'll tell you Ron what moved me from There might
be something here too.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
This is real is the following.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I interview these guys that are eighty eighty five, eighty
nine years old, and they were serious guys, and it
took a long time for them to sit down with Don,
and he said that I'll sit there and a guy
will recount the whole story to me. He said, they
literally break down in tears and fall into my lap.
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And he said that human faced face connection and the
guy will cry.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
He literally tears up. Several times. Has happened?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And they said, I haven't spoke about this in fifty
two years.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And so it's a different thing. Yes, it's fun to
watch it on YouTube. Yes it's interesting to see it
on TV, but hearing it even somethingy like Travis Walton,
I was curious about Travis Walton. Still at arm's length though,
But when I met Travis Walton and I sat outside,
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had a beer with him, and he was playing guitar,
and we were just bullshitting man to man, and He's like, yeah,
this really happened to me. Then I felt like this
really happened to him. I watched his YouTube video and thought, yeah,
maybe it happened to him, But sitting next to him,
man to man, it's a different thing, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I think when you meet people face to face and then,
as you said both of you said earlier, you give
them the space to express themselves. I think that they
want to take that opportunity and do that because they
have encountered something that is incredibly unique and incredibly profound,
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and I think they do want to share it, and
so it is important, you know, this can be a
place where you know, people do that. And I when
I was listening to Robert Salis's talk, that's one of
our nuclear witnesses. Yeah, he said it. He held on
to what he witnessed for twenty five years before he
told his wife, and I thought to my yeah, and
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I thought to myself, Wow, what a burden to carry.
So I can imagine, you know, when you finally got
to sit down and talk to her, You know what
a relief that was. And can you imagine emotionally a
moving experience?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
That was wow? And now he shared it was the world,
which is wonderful?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Right twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I'll be honest, that's not uncommon. I've heard that because
these guys are threatened. Yeah, And I mean just the
fact that so many people claim to have been threatened.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Why are they threatening him if there's nothing to hide?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You know that it's just a whole You don't drive
down the four or five freeway in a white bronco
if you didn't do anything wrong, You just don't do that.
So you know, it's these anecdotal things to me that
paint this mosaic of just logically, there's something here, don't
know what it is, but somebody's hiding something. Because there's
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so many first person accounts of I was threatened, I
was told this, They were to kill my daughter. Blah
blah blah blah. Why are all these guys claiming that
that's what happened to him? And Robert Salas is not
a bullshit kind of guy. He's a military guy that
and these aren't guys that are dumb. These aren't guys
that get to work at a nuclear base when when
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nuclears were new.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yes, so these are the top people.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And him keeping that to himself for twenty five years,
not even his wife knowing about it. Not that I
encourage people sharing everything with their wives. Sorry, can't. I
can't even help myself. And you know, I think it's
very important that that we recognize the amount of people
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that are doing this. And that's another piece of compelling
anecdotal evidence to me that there's something there.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, just keeping a secret.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I do believe that they're Like you said earlier, there's
a you call it a preponderance of evidence. Sometimes I
use the phrase overwhelming circumstantial evidence, but it means the
same thing. You know, there's there, has been, and continues
to be something extraordinary going on. And for me, it's
not a matter of believing it's me. It's a matter
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of accepting the reality of what is I get asked
this question even by my wife, you know, about believing.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
It's not about belief. For me.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I'm certain that there's something going on.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yes, we don't know what it is, and those the
people that I believe in that I'm personally drawn to
that there is something. I now feel there is something
else going on. I just have no idea what it is.
I'm I'm less interested in the folks who know correct,
this is an audio only show, but it's quotation marks
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know what it is.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I don't know that. It's hard for me to believe
that we know what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Well, the federation from Octurian and Palladian and this, and
that they have it all dialed in. That's that's that's
a bridge too far for me. But I will certainly
go to there is more to our world. That's that's
that's that's either hidden by the government, hidden by things that, uh,
we don't know about. There's three D Newtonian physics, and
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that's one level, but then there's these other things. So
look how we make these new discoveries in physics. Mainstream
front running science is just as insane. They say there's
twelve dimensions of space and one of time. I can't
get my brain around that. They say that time travel
is theoretically possible. I cannot get my brain around believing that.
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I mean, all of these things are equally hard to grip.
So I don't know what the answers are, but I
do know that there's more. Yeah, I think that's important.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
This conference illustrates that the reality in which we live
in it's much wider and much deeper than what we
thought it was.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Would you look at be in charge of our marketing
next year? Because that was well put too well, thank you?
That is that's right, that's spot on. This conference is
showing that that there's more to our reality and our
many people's paradigms could be off our most likely off.
There's probably more to our existence and our understanding of
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reality as we know it.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I don't know what it is again, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Don't know what's influencing it, but it's sure is fun
to discuss it and get other people's viewpoints on what
they think it might be, and maybe we can all
move it a little further down the road of understanding
what our world is made up of. Look at how
it's changed in the last thousand years, how what people
thought of the world.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, there has been a lot of change, for sure,
And I do think it's important that people do come
together who have insights and unique experiences and they share
them with each other, because that is how you come
to know that there is a wider, deeper reality.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
I mean, yeah, I wanted to ask you, Jim, can.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I see something? We're here to follow on that and
then I'll let you in there.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Sweetearn. I'm so sorry. I feel like it's just like
this is going on. This has probably been going on
since the dawn of civilization. There was probably a time
where people went to not necessarily a conference, but they.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Gathered and.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Mainstream said that the world's flat, and someone said, well, no, no,
it's probably round, and there was probably debate, and then
over time and then we all agreed that, oh, the
world is round. And now we have a new understand
that's our new PARADEX. Now we go from there and
this is how far away it is then and it
just kind of evolves and now here we are twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
What else is out there?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
We evolves, but there are still slat urswers out there,
which is crazy. We're known as globbeads.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Globbeds.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
They cause globpet The.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Other ninety nine point ninety percent in the world are globeds.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
When we come back, we're going to talk more about
Contact in the Desert as we do our show live
in front of an audience at Contact in the Desert
twenty twenty five. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron and today I'm
with producer Brie and we're going to pick up right
where we left off from the live show at Contact
in the Desert twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Wow, So I wanted to ask you to as you
mentioned your wife about belief, So is she here with you?
Is she opening into this topic?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Normally she is here, So, but I've had a lot
of lot going on in my personal life last month,
so she said, you know, why don't you just go
by yourself this time? So I'm here alone. But she
actually enjoys coming to Contact in the Desert. You know,
I've taken her to other conferences. This one's her favorite
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by far because of the PhDs. And then people who
are well grounded in their craft, and.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You know the way they present in the communic host,
that's everyone entertained on a constant basis.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Is that what you're referring to? Okay, good? No, no, no,
he said no.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
So so I think that yeah, she's yeah, she knows
there's something going on, and she hasn't dived into it
as deeply as I have, you know, so I still
think she's probably more at the belief level, but she's
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definitely in a different position than she was, you know
when she first met me eight and a half years ago,
and she thought I was, you know, kind of kind
of crazy.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
It's so funny. I feel like that's in a lot
of relationships, even with my husband and I, and there's
always you know, one maybe that introduces to the other person.
And to me, it almost feels like it's purposeful, like
you had to be together in that sense because just
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your openness spiked her curiosity and that's all it really needs,
just a little foot in the door. And I'm sure
she also talks about this, you know, with friends. It
goes around, so she has that experience herself. Also. I
think that's really special. Where did you go Where did
you come from?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Uh, well, I live in Temecula and I'm a school
teacher in Marietta.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
What do you teach?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
I teach middle school students math?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
Nice? Okay, thank you yeah, thank you for being here, yea,
and for being opened. And I love that you've been
with contact for so long. People were they're also in
Joshua Tree and and it's it's nice to be in
an air conditioner and not have to bring your own chair,
you know, out there. Yes, yes, So it's been quite
an evolution, and it's really special when people are still
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here that have gone through that evolution. As a conference.
It's not just because you know, we work here. This
is it's purposeful to us. And I feel like it's
it's a symbiotic relationship between the people that come the
people who organize it, and it just feels like a
giant family that just continues to grow. So thank you
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for coming and being a part of it.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Me.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I get that sense. And I think it's arts with Ron.
You know, he's always been very approachable. You know, I
can just walk right up to him and say hi,
I ask him questions, Yeah, compliment him on the choice
of classic rock that gets played between the reason I
actually heard that.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I've actually had this shockingly and this isn't about me,
but I just just as an anecdote. Again, Several people
even today, like a dozen people have said to me,
you know, you set the.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Tone for this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You're calm, you're open minded and like you said, approachable
and friendly or whatever. And he said, it feels like
that just trickles down because then there's Bree and she's
there and she's doing the same thing, and then your
staff is all really nice and they're all really helpful,
and then the volunteers are great, they seem really enthused.
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It's like we all have this shared care about this event.
It's it's way more than job or whatever for any
of us. It's all just a thing that we like
and and want to be part of. And it trickles
down and it's just that mood, that vibe just goes
all the way down and throughout, and then it feeds
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upon itself. You know, I said to Gordon this morning
at breakfast, I says, you know, we've purposely kind of
moved towards people that have a positive attitude about this
or want to work with us and like our event.
So when you do that, if there's nine of us
at a table and some of them are going, oh
my god, this is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Isn't this great? As Jeff Maynard says, isn't this great?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The other two go, yeah, this is great, as opposed
to somebody going, well, this sucks that it's too hot.
I got to walk all the way over there, and
then that kind of that that's like a little cancer
that blows up and that's not even here. I mean,
it's it's uncanny how we haven't had much zero we've
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actually had negative response. I told Breathe the first time
we did this, we didn't really know what we're doing yet.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
So I text her twenty two times nine one one.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Everything was a nine one one.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I may have over exaggerated some of those nine one ones.
They should have been just sort of a But I
did text her this year zero no.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Nine one ones, no nine one ones. No, No, it.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Was the fire alarm that went off.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
So even us as a staff, because they're all back.
Everybody that he looked to the first year for us
has all returned. So we've evolved in putting this on.
We know what we're doing. We are friends with a
lot of the attendees because we've seen them three years
in a row now, and you get to know people
or the interact with us, and they know speakers, and
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this whole thing is just built genuinely into a community,
which is wonderful.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah. I think that's kind of the point, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, in a in a way, yeah, and I'm glad
you set the tone, you know, for being I was
actually thinking about that. Yes, it's like looking at your
going Yeah, you're always so calm and happy, at least
outwardly anyway.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Well, I was the first year or two.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Behind the scenes, it wasn't that way. I may have
tried to look like that out there, but I ran
in the back room.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
But this year, there was zero moments of stress or
any elevated anything. It was just calm, fun. Something happens,
we'll all deal with it, and it feels like we're
all friends here. Hey, Josh Gates got sick, you couldn't come.
We'll do something else and everybody will just roll with it.
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We did have one tiny moment in the middle of
this whole thing, when the little autistic girl was trying
to do her demonstration and an alarm went off, a
fire alarm.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Really loud. We all had to evacuate. What the heck.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
So that was a moment of stress, but four minutes
later it was over.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
We all went back and then, yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
You can't control that. Also, I think it's different when
you're in the production because you plan every little thing
every single day of the year. This is all you
focus on. As in a tunney, I don't think you
see when things aren't as you've expected it, so, of course.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And that goes to breathe, not us.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
It is a little bit us, but it's mostly breed
because she's in charge of all of that, and we've
had two years now to iron out all these things
that could go wrong and prepare for all of that.
So well, we've were kind of ready for them. So
things that do bubble up instantly get put right back out.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
So maybe it's like anything else. When you put in
your ten thousand hours.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
That's exactly what it is. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
And I feel like we've got there the events only
five days, but we do put ten thousand hours in
during the year, and that counts, so you know, we
are part of this too. I feel like we're atten
D's when we're here. We feel the same way I
did when I first came to Contact. I genuinely feel
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sad that I can't attend. We're too busy because it
is great and we want to be part of it.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
I like it when I see presenters going to other
presenters lectures. I love that they do it a lot.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, they do. I noticed that.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know what else I love is when presenters just
come here. They're like, oh, yeah, I didn't know Bloodshell
was speaking. Oh no, he's not. He just came.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, you know, people just show up.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
People to show up.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That's how much they like it. We didn't even have
him as a speaker, but they come. That's wonderful. I
mean it really again, it's just like this is like
almost like a family reunion more than anything.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. We're definitely part of the family.
That's really great. I really appreciate you sharing every of course.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah. Oh, Francis Burns.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Francis Burns, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
You're welcome. Thank you both. Thanks, Francis, I appreciate the.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Problems at Francis say beyond contact shirt, So that means
we have given out exactly one Beyond Contact shirt.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
We tried to give him away the other night and
nobody wanted it, so no, I'm only kidding.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Okay, we need to take our final break here as
we head into the last segment from our live broadcast
at the Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five live show.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
We are back on Beyond Contact.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
It's Captain Ron and we're going to pick things up
right where we left off at the live show from
this year's Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Okay, Day, what was your favorite part of this years
of app.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
This is so nerdy seeing the led screen that we got.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Oh my god, what a lay mass answer. Can we
put that on social media?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Please?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
What was your favorite part of Contact in the Desert.
We flew people in from all over the world for this.
We have the world's top experts, we have podcasters, filmmakers.
I believe the digital screen had good Clarityay.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Said, it's kind of nerdy, but.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Kind of nerdy.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
It's the production part of it. I think being in
the back and seeing Josh Gates come out, seeing his
He gave us a little trailer for the upcoming season,
which was really special seeing him up there on his
presentation in this giant, beautiful LED screen with a moment
like this is what I've been envisioning all year seeing
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it happen looking beautiful. It's Josh sping Gate, don't care.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
For the language. Number one, number two.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
This was Breeze idea to come up with the LED screen,
which was great. We always want to make the presentation
as the best we can make it within reason, and
we did have to spend more money to get the
LED screen, but the impact of it I think was
worth it. And it really did look cool and you
know when people have their powerpoints or whatever, it looks
cool on there.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Yes, and it was. It was also a moment of
just having him having him there, yeah, just so casually too,
just to see him make make it out and the
presentation was great, and it was you know, I get
excited when things just start. The moment people walk out
on stage and just looking at it from afar, that's
always just a moment where I'm like, oh my gosh,
(30:39):
here we go.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well, it's because it's like almost like a wedding or whatever,
because we're thinking about that every day all year.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
And that's what I'm like. It's kind of it's kind
of nerdy of me. It's like I'm a little production nerd.
But it's like, one. I love the conference obviously, as
you know, since I used to we were both attendees,
and so then to be a part of making it
and then see it and it just be so awesome
and to have great people up on the stage. There's
a little moments of goosebumps of light. Well, for sure, we
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always talk about it.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
George Norri and George Knapp walk out and they're playing
the dun dun dun dun dun dut dun dum.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Coast to coast, am Man. I've been listening to that
on the radio for twenty five years. No, that music
is happening in a stage, a live performance. To see
these two legendary guys, that sort of thing is that's
an energy that you can't replace.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Yeah, So that's always my thing. And I know that
not everyone relates to getting excited at seeing an LED screen,
but it's the vibe of it all coming together, seeing
it look fantastic. It going well, and I know that
it's a special moment for other people as well, people
that's never seen maybe George Knapp, maybe George Norri and
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then to see them together, people that have been long,
long time listeners. There's people in the crowd where that's
a very important moment for them, and that is also
really impacted.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
That's the number one thing is that when people come
up to me, and you know, we work really hard
on this, there's a lot of people that very very
selflessly give their opinion of how we should do the event.
And that's fine, God bless them. That everybody's got their
own idea and that's fine, and that's great, and there
are a million different ways to do this. But what
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brit and I do I tell on a daily basis,
let's ignore that. Let's keep our head.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Down and do this with integrity.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
She does listen. So we we want to do the
show with integrity. We want to do everything about this
with integrity and genuineness. And we work really hard all
year and then when we're walking around here and we're
you know, eighteen hour days, and then someone stops and
they say, how this is the best weekend of my life.
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This was the most fun I've had in ten years.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I should know.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, it's Jeff said to me the other day that, oh,
that was a good review. I said, that wasn't a
good review. That guy said this was the best week
of my life. That is overwhelming and genuinely touching to
me and suddenly makes the whole year of work worthwhile.
That regardless what happens here, this meant something to somebody
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like that, that it's that impactful. And I remember my
first time by myself in the desert at contact in
the desert, when I went, it meant a lot to me.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
And so it's really rewarding to hear that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And having people have such a profound effect on their life,
it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
And then now they're part of it, you know.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Oh yeah, And I mean just the two of us,
we have those moments where we're like, you know, you're
just saying yesterday, you're going through you know, kind of
a shift and really thinking that this is incredibly almost
like divinely orchestrated for us.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
We do I as you know, I'm very very far
from wu. I'm very very pragmatic in three D world,
and as far as that's concerned. However, it does sometimes
feel divine intervention, like things will be looking kind of
bad and then I answer the phone and it's Ross
Colhart saying, hey man, I'd like to come to your conference.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So we get these little victories along the way that
are really exciting. Diane Powell Wow. And then Josh Gates.
We wanted to get them last year, but he's all
over the world. We couldn't get them. Wasn't sure could
get back to us. I'm like, oh, he doesn't like us,
he doesn't want to get back to us. He's not
interested in this. And then it turns out they're like
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literally like in Cambodia without any.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Sorry I was out in the desert show.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Sorry I was there, but I'd love to come to
contact in the desert.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
What a great little victory.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So, you know, we get those little joys along the way,
and we have these great moments and this is you know,
it's really great. I spend sometimes nine, ten to eleven
hours a day on a zoom call with Brie.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
If you can believe that, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
It's really rewarding. And thank you guys for sitting here
and just listening to us to.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Talk about and enduring my droning on and on and
on about boring down.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
So it's incredibly rewarding to do this. It is very
hard work. It is every day. It is long hours,
and it doesn't feel like it because I think we
just love it so much. You know. They say, if
you do what you love, it doesn't feel like work, right,
And of course there's moments where it's like, oh gosh,
(35:32):
because it's frustrating and stuff, but it's so worth it
being here right now this week, every day, it's just so.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
At breakfast with Gordon's family this morning at seven am,
they said to me, are you working like twenty hour
days while you're here? And I'm like, yes, I've been
averaging about four hours a week. But it's like I said, look,
I'm not digging ditches, I'm not hauling weights up to
the attic. I'm my best friends are here, Brie is here,
(36:03):
Bree is my partner in crime on this. All of
these people that I meet from around the world that
say they love this does not work. This is the
best week of my life work in twenty two, don't
I shouldn't say working twenty.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Hours a week?
Speaker 7 (36:17):
I was a. It's a little weird.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
It's being awake twenty hours, it's not working twenty hours.
It's great, it's fun. It's fun to be part of
this community. It's fun to interact with these speakers. We
hope that we're making a difference. We hope that we're
keeping it objective. I'll share one other little thing before
we wrap up here for the day. Another interesting aspect
of this. People said that it was cohesive, and.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
That's the tone. Five different people said cohesive.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't think I've ever heard that word, and they said,
that's the tone of this event. With our speakers, they're
always like, well, what do you want me to talk about.
I'll get prepared now. We chose you for this year.
You do anything you want to do. We just ask
that it's new material. Oh and then they get creative
and they're like, oh, I'm saving this for Contact, and
(37:04):
then filmmakers, we're going to save in world premiere at Contact.
So everybody kind of puts their best foot forward at Contact,
and we don't keep a heavy hand. This is what
we're going to do and this is how to do it.
We let people, you know, express themselves off or they
want to save your film for Contact, do your podcast
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whoever you want to interview at podcasts. The podcasters bring
those people in, they do it live at Contact, and
the speakers do their own choice of topics of contact
and that at the end of the day Monday afternoon,
that we are now you can look back and go, well,
that was the tone of this event and that's how
it came together. It's a genuinely very organic thing that happens.
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There's a lot of individual people putting their heart and
soul and love into this. The speakers care about their presentation,
the volunteers care about being part of this, the filmmaker's care,
the podcasters care, We care, and then at the end
of the day we have this event and we all
at the end go wow, that was great fun. Yeah,
(38:06):
unlike this podcast. Our our conference went wonderful. And thank
you guys all for coming both to the conference and
to our podcast. We really really appreciate it, and please listen.
We're at Beyond Contact where you can get the show
on Contact intheesert dot com or on Coast to coastam
dot com. We're part of the iHeartRadio and Paranormal Podcast Network,
(38:29):
and we really really appreciate you guys sitting this long
and listening to us prona on and we appreciate it
and hopefully we'll see it next year.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
In Contact, thanks for coming.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Well that does it for our live show from Contact
in the Desert this year. We had a lot of fun.
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Contact
in the Desert Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking
out Contactindtheesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational as
we explore the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio and
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond
Contact we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some
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from the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we are showcasing part two of our podcast, recorded live
in front of an audience at this year's Contact in
the Desert. It has more UFO updates and happenings at
the Contact in the Desert UFO conference in Indian Wells
with me and producer Brie. Hey, since we're here live
at Contact, does anybody up here want to come up
(01:29):
here and tell us about their experience of contact?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Come on up here, brother, Yeah, We've had.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Really interesting year this year, and I'd like to hear
from anyone else who wants to talk about anybody.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
Hi, thank you Captain Ron, Thank you Brie. I appreciate
you allowing me to come up here and so be sure.
So what'd you think of the conference? Oh? I thought
the conference is fantastic. This have you gone before? Yeah?
This is my six or seventh?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Okay, yeah, I went a couple of years up in Joshua.
I think the last two, you know, before they left,
and then I think I've been to everyone since it's
been here in Indian Wells. Yeah, and I greatly appreciate
you organizing it so we can all be here together.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
What do you feel what progression has been? Have you
noticed a change or an evolution of the Savender? Is
its the same? What do you think?
Speaker 5 (02:19):
Oh? Yeah, it's definitely evolved.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
I think that the uh, the quality of the speakers
uh is improved.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
In this in this manner.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
And what I mean by that is because I don't
want to feel like I'm dissing people here preciously, but
I think, as you both mentioned, there's a lot of
PhDs here, and I think that the people that the speakers,
they've devoted a lot of time and effort into their
craft and they and and also I feel like they've
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done it with a lot of scientific rigor, you know,
a lot of and they just have the bona fides
about them is terrific. What was your favorite part of
this year of that well, in terms of speakers, I
would say my favorites are Chris Bledsoe, Ross Coltheart and
Thomas Jane Sure, you know, as far as speakers goes,
(03:13):
And I of course I love meeting with people. As
you two are already stated, it's a lot of fun
to get together with people who have the same or
similar intellectual curiosity saying concerns.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, so intellectual curiosity is a good thing. I think
that should be on the poster nexture. Maybe that's a
tagline for next year. Intellectual curiosity is really what this
event is all about. I mean, we all, you know,
we try to keep it right down the middle. And
what is this thing? What is telepathy? What are these UAPs.
What are these things these pilots are claiming to see.
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I'm intellectually curious, you know, what could that be? And
it's interesting to speculate or hear people's accounts write back down.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
Yeah, I was talking to h Dean Alioto and Deane's fantastic,
by the way, as is his film.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Did you get a chance to see his films? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Well he actually Dean Aliotto did two films. Actually they're
one hour each and they're The Alien Perspective Part one
and two.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
What did you think of that? I thought they were terrific.
I mean, he has a lot of unique insights that
I felt were important to illustrate in the in both films.
A lot of PhDs in his film as well.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Absolutely, Yeah, I love the fact and I told him
this yesterday. I love the fact that he referenced, uh
several times the cell phones and how they are influencing society.
And to me that was actually poignant because I happened
to be a school teacher and I'm playing hooky today.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But uh, but.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
All right, which school distrusted where I was supposed to
be because I think we need to so.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
But but how this affects my students, and I've noticed
it over the years, and unfortunately it's not not such
you know, in a great way. There's been a lot
of downside to it. I can see their attention levels dropping,
and then their effort level is dropping because you can
get such powerful information instantaneously.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know, it's fascinating. You brought this up. If I
could interject and say something here. So this morning at
seven am, Gordon and I had breakfast and I said,
you know, yes, we did a good job. Yes we
worked very hard on all these things that made this event.
It just had a great vibe and feel this year
that was unique and genuinely better than ever that with
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the camaraderie and the peacefulness. There's two comments that I
have about the thing that I noticed that I think
is remarkable. Number One, I think part of the whole
vibe and fun was the world's a toilet right now.
There's there's there's wars, there's political arguments every day everybody
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it feels like in your day to day life, everybody's frustrated,
everybody's fed up, nobody's arguing, and there's this tension, and
then you come to this gorgeous resort with the palm freeze,
with the mountains with water. Look at the view we
have here, for God's sake. There it's gorgeous, it's relaxing,
it's warm. We all come together and we kind of
escaped the real world for five days. So that was
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part one. Part two is I also mentioned that even
in my day to day life, just walking down the
street in La, the five guys hanging on to the
other dolls standers are looking at their cell phones, not
looking at not even looking at each other.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And I brought someone that was.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
With me up on the stairs and we overlooked the
lobby and there's literally four or five hundred people in there.
I said, look, no one has their cell phone out,
and if you did see your cell phone out, is
because they want to take pictures together, right, which is fine.
Nobody is caught up in their social media bullshit, and
they're not caught up in what happened today, what politics
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and who tweeted what. It almost felt like a throwback
to twenty years ago. Hey, we can have a kind
of conversation with human interaction. So I genuinely think that
the human interaction that we had, we get credit for that,
but it really is just the fact that people put
their phones down and we talked together. I really do
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think that was part of it. Yeah, I completely agree.
I echo all the sentiments you just said. Yeah, it
is a beautiful place to come to.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
And you know, I could just forget about what's going on, yes,
and really immerse myself in something that I enjoy and love.
And then yes, I saw somebody here that I met
here last year, and and I knew him, you know,
but and then his name happens to me, Michael, and
he remembered me because I was the person who asked
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Daniel Sheehan to tell us what we knew about the
JFKs as.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Oh my god, you're the guy I know someone asked
that question, and and and and Danny dropped it right.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
He did live here at contact first time ever. That
was incredible. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, thank you. So yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
So he had remembered me from doing that, and it
was good to see him again. And while I was
standing in line waiting asked a question at one of
the presentations, another man next to me and his name
is Joshua from I believe San Diego. He just appreciated
the fact that he could talk to me, and I
knew what he and I knew what he where he
was coming from, and when he you know, and and
(08:25):
I didn't poop poo what he had to say, unlike
ninety nine other percent of the people.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know, like I deal with everything that briefs as
to us of these meetings, So I understand exactly what
you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, so I do think. Yeah, it was very enjoyable.
Speaker 6 (08:40):
The camaraderie and you can you can pretty much talk
to everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
There are three levels to me of this, which is
contact brings us here because we all have some curiosity
about potential contact with non human intelligence, whatever that may be.
The next level of contact is the thing you're talking
about about here, which is us talking to each other,
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and then the chance to interact with our speakers. Our
podcasters are filmmakers. What you don't get to do you
see them on YouTube. It's a different thing. When we
come back, we're going to be talking more about this
year's contact in the Desert conference and UFOs as we
record our show live in front of an audience. You're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
(09:27):
Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
(09:57):
It's Captain Ron and we're going to pick up where
we left off at the live show from Contacting the
Desert twenty twenty five. You know, if I could share
another anecdote, it's I was in Roswell about ten years
ago and I met Don Schmidt there, who I think
is outstanding, and he was recounting to me how he
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I said, what makes you think this is real?
Speaker 5 (10:21):
What?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Why are you on the hook? He says, Well, you
read these stories, you hear these things. He says, but
I'll tell you Ron what moved me from There might
be something here too.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
This is real is the following.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I interview these guys that are eighty eighty five, eighty
nine years old, and they were serious guys, and it
took a long time for them to sit down with Don,
and he said that I'll sit there and a guy
will recount the whole story to me. He said, they
literally break down in tears and fall into my lap.
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And he said that human faced face connection and the
guy will cry.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
He literally tears up. Several times. Has happened?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
And they said, I haven't spoke about this in fifty
two years.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And so it's a different thing. Yes, it's fun to
watch it on YouTube. Yes it's interesting to see it
on TV, but hearing it even somethingy like Travis Walton,
I was curious about Travis Walton. Still at arm's length though,
But when I met Travis Walton and I sat outside,
(11:29):
had a beer with him, and he was playing guitar,
and we were just bullshitting man to man, and He's like, yeah,
this really happened to me. Then I felt like this
really happened to him. I watched his YouTube video and thought, yeah,
maybe it happened to him, But sitting next to him,
man to man, it's a different thing, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
I think when you meet people face to face and then,
as you said both of you said earlier, you give
them the space to express themselves. I think that they
want to take that opportunity and do that because they
have encountered something that is incredibly unique and incredibly profound,
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and I think they do want to share it, and
so it is important, you know, this can be a
place where you know, people do that. And I when
I was listening to Robert Salis's talk, that's one of
our nuclear witnesses. Yeah, he said it. He held on
to what he witnessed for twenty five years before he
told his wife, and I thought to my yeah, and
(12:33):
I thought to myself, Wow, what a burden to carry.
So I can imagine, you know, when you finally got
to sit down and talk to her, You know what
a relief that was. And can you imagine emotionally a
moving experience?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
That was wow? And now he shared it was the world,
which is wonderful?
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Right twenty five years.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I'll be honest, that's not uncommon. I've heard that because
these guys are threatened. Yeah, And I mean just the
fact that so many people claim to have been threatened.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
Why are they threatening him if there's nothing to hide?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
You know that it's just a whole You don't drive
down the four or five freeway in a white bronco
if you didn't do anything wrong, You just don't do that.
So you know, it's these anecdotal things to me that
paint this mosaic of just logically, there's something here, don't
know what it is, but somebody's hiding something. Because there's
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so many first person accounts of I was threatened, I
was told this, They were to kill my daughter. Blah
blah blah blah. Why are all these guys claiming that
that's what happened to him? And Robert Salas is not
a bullshit kind of guy. He's a military guy that
and these aren't guys that are dumb. These aren't guys
that get to work at a nuclear base when when
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nuclears were new.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yes, so these are the top people.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And him keeping that to himself for twenty five years,
not even his wife knowing about it. Not that I
encourage people sharing everything with their wives. Sorry, can't. I
can't even help myself. And you know, I think it's
very important that that we recognize the amount of people
(14:16):
that are doing this. And that's another piece of compelling
anecdotal evidence to me that there's something there.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
Yeah, just keeping a secret.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
I do believe that they're Like you said earlier, there's
a you call it a preponderance of evidence. Sometimes I
use the phrase overwhelming circumstantial evidence, but it means the
same thing. You know, there's there, has been, and continues
to be something extraordinary going on. And for me, it's
not a matter of believing it's me. It's a matter
(14:47):
of accepting the reality of what is I get asked
this question even by my wife, you know, about believing.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
It's not about belief. For me.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I'm certain that there's something going on.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
Yes, we don't know what it is, and those the
people that I believe in that I'm personally drawn to
that there is something. I now feel there is something
else going on. I just have no idea what it is.
I'm I'm less interested in the folks who know correct,
this is an audio only show, but it's quotation marks
(15:21):
know what it is.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I don't know that. It's hard for me to believe
that we know what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Well, the federation from Octurian and Palladian and this, and
that they have it all dialed in. That's that's that's
a bridge too far for me. But I will certainly
go to there is more to our world. That's that's
that's that's either hidden by the government, hidden by things that, uh,
we don't know about. There's three D Newtonian physics, and
(15:47):
that's one level, but then there's these other things. So
look how we make these new discoveries in physics. Mainstream
front running science is just as insane. They say there's
twelve dimensions of space and one of time. I can't
get my brain around that. They say that time travel
is theoretically possible. I cannot get my brain around believing that.
(16:09):
I mean, all of these things are equally hard to grip.
So I don't know what the answers are, but I
do know that there's more. Yeah, I think that's important.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
This conference illustrates that the reality in which we live
in it's much wider and much deeper than what we
thought it was.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Would you look at be in charge of our marketing
next year? Because that was well put too well, thank you?
That is that's right, that's spot on. This conference is
showing that that there's more to our reality and our
many people's paradigms could be off our most likely off.
There's probably more to our existence and our understanding of
(16:50):
reality as we know it.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I don't know what it is again, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Don't know what's influencing it, but it's sure is fun
to discuss it and get other people's viewpoints on what
they think it might be, and maybe we can all
move it a little further down the road of understanding
what our world is made up of. Look at how
it's changed in the last thousand years, how what people
thought of the world.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Yeah, there has been a lot of change, for sure,
And I do think it's important that people do come
together who have insights and unique experiences and they share
them with each other, because that is how you come
to know that there is a wider, deeper reality.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
I mean, yeah, I wanted to ask you, Jim, can.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I see something? We're here to follow on that and
then I'll let you in there.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Sweetearn. I'm so sorry. I feel like it's just like
this is going on. This has probably been going on
since the dawn of civilization. There was probably a time
where people went to not necessarily a conference, but they.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Gathered and.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Mainstream said that the world's flat, and someone said, well, no, no,
it's probably round, and there was probably debate, and then
over time and then we all agreed that, oh, the
world is round. And now we have a new understand
that's our new PARADEX. Now we go from there and
this is how far away it is then and it
just kind of evolves and now here we are twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
What else is out there?
Speaker 7 (18:10):
We evolves, but there are still slat urswers out there,
which is crazy. We're known as globbeads.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Globbeds.
Speaker 7 (18:18):
They cause globpet The.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Other ninety nine point ninety percent in the world are globeds.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
When we come back, we're going to talk more about
Contact in the Desert as we do our show live
in front of an audience at Contact in the Desert
twenty twenty five. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
(18:59):
are back Beyond Contact. It's Captain Ron and today I'm
with producer Brie and we're going to pick up right
where we left off from the live show at Contact
in the Desert twenty twenty five.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
Wow, So I wanted to ask you to as you
mentioned your wife about belief, So is she here with you?
Is she opening into this topic?
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Normally she is here, So, but I've had a lot
of lot going on in my personal life last month,
so she said, you know, why don't you just go
by yourself this time? So I'm here alone. But she
actually enjoys coming to Contact in the Desert. You know,
I've taken her to other conferences. This one's her favorite
(19:37):
by far because of the PhDs. And then people who
are well grounded in their craft, and.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You know the way they present in the communic host,
that's everyone entertained on a constant basis.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Is that what you're referring to? Okay, good? No, no, no,
he said no.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
So so I think that yeah, she's yeah, she knows
there's something going on, and she hasn't dived into it
as deeply as I have, you know, so I still
think she's probably more at the belief level, but she's
(20:14):
definitely in a different position than she was, you know
when she first met me eight and a half years ago,
and she thought I was, you know, kind of kind
of crazy.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
It's so funny. I feel like that's in a lot
of relationships, even with my husband and I, and there's
always you know, one maybe that introduces to the other person.
And to me, it almost feels like it's purposeful, like
you had to be together in that sense because just
(20:44):
your openness spiked her curiosity and that's all it really needs,
just a little foot in the door. And I'm sure
she also talks about this, you know, with friends. It
goes around, so she has that experience herself. Also. I
think that's really special. Where did you go Where did
you come from?
Speaker 6 (21:02):
Uh, well, I live in Temecula and I'm a school
teacher in Marietta.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
What do you teach?
Speaker 5 (21:07):
I teach middle school students math?
Speaker 7 (21:10):
Nice? Okay, thank you yeah, thank you for being here, yea,
and for being opened. And I love that you've been
with contact for so long. People were they're also in
Joshua Tree and and it's it's nice to be in
an air conditioner and not have to bring your own chair,
you know, out there. Yes, yes, So it's been quite
an evolution, and it's really special when people are still
(21:33):
here that have gone through that evolution. As a conference.
It's not just because you know, we work here. This
is it's purposeful to us. And I feel like it's
it's a symbiotic relationship between the people that come the
people who organize it, and it just feels like a
giant family that just continues to grow. So thank you
(21:55):
for coming and being a part of it.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Me.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I get that sense. And I think it's arts with Ron.
You know, he's always been very approachable. You know, I
can just walk right up to him and say hi,
I ask him questions, Yeah, compliment him on the choice
of classic rock that gets played between the reason I
actually heard that.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I've actually had this shockingly and this isn't about me,
but I just just as an anecdote. Again, Several people
even today, like a dozen people have said to me,
you know, you set the.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
Tone for this thing.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You're calm, you're open minded and like you said, approachable
and friendly or whatever. And he said, it feels like
that just trickles down because then there's Bree and she's
there and she's doing the same thing, and then your
staff is all really nice and they're all really helpful,
and then the volunteers are great, they seem really enthused.
(22:48):
It's like we all have this shared care about this event.
It's it's way more than job or whatever for any
of us. It's all just a thing that we like
and and want to be part of. And it trickles
down and it's just that mood, that vibe just goes
all the way down and throughout, and then it feeds
(23:09):
upon itself. You know, I said to Gordon this morning
at breakfast, I says, you know, we've purposely kind of
moved towards people that have a positive attitude about this
or want to work with us and like our event.
So when you do that, if there's nine of us
at a table and some of them are going, oh
my god, this is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Isn't this great? As Jeff Maynard says, isn't this great?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The other two go, yeah, this is great, as opposed
to somebody going, well, this sucks that it's too hot.
I got to walk all the way over there, and
then that kind of that that's like a little cancer
that blows up and that's not even here. I mean,
it's it's uncanny how we haven't had much zero we've
(23:55):
actually had negative response. I told Breathe the first time
we did this, we didn't really know what we're doing yet.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
So I text her twenty two times nine one one.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Everything was a nine one one.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
I may have over exaggerated some of those nine one ones.
They should have been just sort of a But I
did text her this year zero no.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Nine one ones, no nine one ones. No, No, it.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Was the fire alarm that went off.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
So even us as a staff, because they're all back.
Everybody that he looked to the first year for us
has all returned. So we've evolved in putting this on.
We know what we're doing. We are friends with a
lot of the attendees because we've seen them three years
in a row now, and you get to know people
or the interact with us, and they know speakers, and
(24:45):
this whole thing is just built genuinely into a community,
which is wonderful.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yeah. I think that's kind of the point, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, in a in a way, yeah, and I'm glad
you set the tone, you know, for being I was
actually thinking about that. Yes, it's like looking at your
going Yeah, you're always so calm and happy, at least
outwardly anyway.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Well, I was the first year or two.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Behind the scenes, it wasn't that way. I may have
tried to look like that out there, but I ran
in the back room.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
But this year, there was zero moments of stress or
any elevated anything. It was just calm, fun. Something happens,
we'll all deal with it, and it feels like we're
all friends here. Hey, Josh Gates got sick, you couldn't come.
We'll do something else and everybody will just roll with it.
(25:37):
We did have one tiny moment in the middle of
this whole thing, when the little autistic girl was trying
to do her demonstration and an alarm went off, a
fire alarm.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Really loud. We all had to evacuate. What the heck.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
So that was a moment of stress, but four minutes
later it was over.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
We all went back and then, yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
You can't control that. Also, I think it's different when
you're in the production because you plan every little thing
every single day of the year. This is all you
focus on. As in a tunney, I don't think you
see when things aren't as you've expected it, so, of course.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And that goes to breathe, not us.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
It is a little bit us, but it's mostly breed
because she's in charge of all of that, and we've
had two years now to iron out all these things
that could go wrong and prepare for all of that.
So well, we've were kind of ready for them. So
things that do bubble up instantly get put right back out.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
So maybe it's like anything else. When you put in
your ten thousand hours.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
That's exactly what it is. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
And I feel like we've got there the events only
five days, but we do put ten thousand hours in
during the year, and that counts, so you know, we
are part of this too. I feel like we're atten
D's when we're here. We feel the same way I
did when I first came to Contact. I genuinely feel
(27:03):
sad that I can't attend. We're too busy because it
is great and we want to be part of it.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
I like it when I see presenters going to other
presenters lectures. I love that they do it a lot.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, they do. I noticed that.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You know what else I love is when presenters just
come here. They're like, oh, yeah, I didn't know Bloodshell
was speaking. Oh no, he's not. He just came.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, you know, people just show up.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
People to show up.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That's how much they like it. We didn't even have
him as a speaker, but they come. That's wonderful. I
mean it really again, it's just like this is like
almost like a family reunion more than anything.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. We're definitely part of the family.
That's really great. I really appreciate you sharing every of course.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah. Oh, Francis Burns.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
Francis Burns, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
You're welcome. Thank you both. Thanks, Francis, I appreciate the.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Problems at Francis say beyond contact shirt, So that means
we have given out exactly one Beyond Contact shirt.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
We tried to give him away the other night and
nobody wanted it, so no, I'm only kidding.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Okay, we need to take our final break here as
we head into the last segment from our live broadcast
at the Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five live show.
You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
We are back on Beyond Contact.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
It's Captain Ron and we're going to pick things up
right where we left off at the live show from
this year's Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Okay, Day, what was your favorite part of this years
of app.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
This is so nerdy seeing the led screen that we got.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Oh my god, what a lay mass answer. Can we
put that on social media?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Please?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
What was your favorite part of Contact in the Desert.
We flew people in from all over the world for this.
We have the world's top experts, we have podcasters, filmmakers.
I believe the digital screen had good Clarityay.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Said, it's kind of nerdy, but.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Kind of nerdy.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
It's the production part of it. I think being in
the back and seeing Josh Gates come out, seeing his
He gave us a little trailer for the upcoming season,
which was really special seeing him up there on his
presentation in this giant, beautiful LED screen with a moment
like this is what I've been envisioning all year seeing
(29:47):
it happen looking beautiful. It's Josh sping Gate, don't care.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
For the language. Number one, number two.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
This was Breeze idea to come up with the LED screen,
which was great. We always want to make the presentation
as the best we can make it within reason, and
we did have to spend more money to get the
LED screen, but the impact of it I think was
worth it. And it really did look cool and you
know when people have their powerpoints or whatever, it looks
cool on there.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Yes, and it was. It was also a moment of
just having him having him there, yeah, just so casually too,
just to see him make make it out and the
presentation was great, and it was you know, I get
excited when things just start. The moment people walk out
on stage and just looking at it from afar, that's
always just a moment where I'm like, oh my gosh,
(30:39):
here we go.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well, it's because it's like almost like a wedding or whatever,
because we're thinking about that every day all year.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
And that's what I'm like. It's kind of it's kind
of nerdy of me. It's like I'm a little production nerd.
But it's like, one. I love the conference obviously, as
you know, since I used to we were both attendees,
and so then to be a part of making it
and then see it and it just be so awesome
and to have great people up on the stage. There's
a little moments of goosebumps of light. Well, for sure, we
(31:07):
always talk about it.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
George Norri and George Knapp walk out and they're playing
the dun dun dun dun dun dut dun dum.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Coast to coast, am Man. I've been listening to that
on the radio for twenty five years. No, that music
is happening in a stage, a live performance. To see
these two legendary guys, that sort of thing is that's
an energy that you can't replace.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Yeah, So that's always my thing. And I know that
not everyone relates to getting excited at seeing an LED screen,
but it's the vibe of it all coming together, seeing
it look fantastic. It going well, and I know that
it's a special moment for other people as well, people
that's never seen maybe George Knapp, maybe George Norri and
(31:50):
then to see them together, people that have been long,
long time listeners. There's people in the crowd where that's
a very important moment for them, and that is also
really impacted.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
That's the number one thing is that when people come
up to me, and you know, we work really hard
on this, there's a lot of people that very very
selflessly give their opinion of how we should do the event.
And that's fine, God bless them. That everybody's got their
own idea and that's fine, and that's great, and there
are a million different ways to do this. But what
(32:24):
brit and I do I tell on a daily basis,
let's ignore that. Let's keep our head.
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Down and do this with integrity.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
She does listen. So we we want to do the
show with integrity. We want to do everything about this
with integrity and genuineness. And we work really hard all
year and then when we're walking around here and we're
you know, eighteen hour days, and then someone stops and
they say, how this is the best weekend of my life.
(32:52):
This was the most fun I've had in ten years.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I should know.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Yeah, it's Jeff said to me the other day that, oh,
that was a good review. I said, that wasn't a
good review. That guy said this was the best week
of my life. That is overwhelming and genuinely touching to
me and suddenly makes the whole year of work worthwhile.
That regardless what happens here, this meant something to somebody
(33:17):
like that, that it's that impactful. And I remember my
first time by myself in the desert at contact in
the desert, when I went, it meant a lot to me.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
And so it's really rewarding to hear that.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And having people have such a profound effect on their life,
it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
And then now they're part of it, you know.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Oh yeah, And I mean just the two of us,
we have those moments where we're like, you know, you're
just saying yesterday, you're going through you know, kind of
a shift and really thinking that this is incredibly almost
like divinely orchestrated for us.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
We do I as you know, I'm very very far
from wu. I'm very very pragmatic in three D world,
and as far as that's concerned. However, it does sometimes
feel divine intervention, like things will be looking kind of
bad and then I answer the phone and it's Ross
Colhart saying, hey man, I'd like to come to your conference.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So we get these little victories along the way that
are really exciting. Diane Powell Wow. And then Josh Gates.
We wanted to get them last year, but he's all
over the world. We couldn't get them. Wasn't sure could
get back to us. I'm like, oh, he doesn't like us,
he doesn't want to get back to us. He's not
interested in this. And then it turns out they're like
(34:37):
literally like in Cambodia without any.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Sorry I was out in the desert show.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Sorry I was there, but I'd love to come to
contact in the desert.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
What a great little victory.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So, you know, we get those little joys along the way,
and we have these great moments and this is you know,
it's really great. I spend sometimes nine, ten to eleven
hours a day on a zoom call with Brie.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
If you can believe that, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
It's really rewarding. And thank you guys for sitting here
and just listening to us to.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Talk about and enduring my droning on and on and
on about boring down.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
So it's incredibly rewarding to do this. It is very
hard work. It is every day. It is long hours,
and it doesn't feel like it because I think we
just love it so much. You know. They say, if
you do what you love, it doesn't feel like work, right,
And of course there's moments where it's like, oh gosh,
(35:32):
because it's frustrating and stuff, but it's so worth it
being here right now this week, every day, it's just so.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
At breakfast with Gordon's family this morning at seven am,
they said to me, are you working like twenty hour
days while you're here? And I'm like, yes, I've been
averaging about four hours a week. But it's like I said, look,
I'm not digging ditches, I'm not hauling weights up to
the attic. I'm my best friends are here, Brie is here,
(36:03):
Bree is my partner in crime on this. All of
these people that I meet from around the world that
say they love this does not work. This is the
best week of my life work in twenty two, don't
I shouldn't say working twenty.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
Hours a week?
Speaker 7 (36:17):
I was a. It's a little weird.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
It's being awake twenty hours, it's not working twenty hours.
It's great, it's fun. It's fun to be part of
this community. It's fun to interact with these speakers. We
hope that we're making a difference. We hope that we're
keeping it objective. I'll share one other little thing before
we wrap up here for the day. Another interesting aspect
of this. People said that it was cohesive, and.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
That's the tone. Five different people said cohesive.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I don't think I've ever heard that word, and they said,
that's the tone of this event. With our speakers, they're
always like, well, what do you want me to talk about.
I'll get prepared now. We chose you for this year.
You do anything you want to do. We just ask
that it's new material. Oh and then they get creative
and they're like, oh, I'm saving this for Contact, and
(37:04):
then filmmakers, we're going to save in world premiere at Contact.
So everybody kind of puts their best foot forward at Contact,
and we don't keep a heavy hand. This is what
we're going to do and this is how to do it.
We let people, you know, express themselves off or they
want to save your film for Contact, do your podcast
(37:24):
whoever you want to interview at podcasts. The podcasters bring
those people in, they do it live at Contact, and
the speakers do their own choice of topics of contact
and that at the end of the day Monday afternoon,
that we are now you can look back and go, well,
that was the tone of this event and that's how
it came together. It's a genuinely very organic thing that happens.
(37:45):
There's a lot of individual people putting their heart and
soul and love into this. The speakers care about their presentation,
the volunteers care about being part of this, the filmmaker's care,
the podcasters care, We care, and then at the end
of the day we have this event and we all
at the end go wow, that was great fun. Yeah,
(38:06):
unlike this podcast. Our our conference went wonderful. And thank
you guys all for coming both to the conference and
to our podcast. We really really appreciate it, and please listen.
We're at Beyond Contact where you can get the show
on Contact intheesert dot com or on Coast to coastam
dot com. We're part of the iHeartRadio and Paranormal Podcast Network,
(38:29):
and we really really appreciate you guys sitting this long
and listening to us prona on and we appreciate it
and hopefully we'll see it next year.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
In Contact, thanks for coming.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Thank you guys.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Well that does it for our live show from Contact
in the Desert this year. We had a lot of fun.
You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Contact
in the Desert Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking
out Contactindtheesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational as
we explore the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio and
Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
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