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Speaker 3 (00:56):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week on Beyond Content,
we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're going to be speaking with Hakeem Isler. Hakim's one
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of those prolific guys that does so much that I
feel like a complete degenerate around him. He's a combat
veteran as a psychological Operations sergeant, Wilderness Survival instructor, martial artist,
a leading consciousness explorer. He's written five books, and he's
dedicated to advancing psychic and remote viewing practices through his
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new conference that he created called the SI Games International.
We're going to talk to Hakim today about how these
PSI abilities have grown to be so prominent in the
UFO space. Hey Hakim, how you doing, buddy, good to
see you.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Thank you very much for having me on the show.
Really appreciate it, and thanks for that intro. That thing
is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You have your fan pastors and believe all the stuff.
You're one of these guys that we could do a
twenty hour show on different stuff. You know, you were
just at Contact, which was really fantastic, and you know
when you were there, you did this amazing demonstration of
telepathy on stage with these two people, Delia and Lito.
If we get to the point of demonstrating to the
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rest of the world that human telepathy is possible, that
it could perhaps sway people to be more open to
the idea of there being a non human intelligence. I
mean this in two waysk Number one, there are so
many accounts of encounters with NHI that include telepathy. Therefore,
showing that humans can do telepathy would lend credence to
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these accounts. And also perhaps when people discover that something
that's quote unquote impossible, such as telepathy, is in fact real,
then perhaps they would be more open to their consciousness
opening up to other extraordinary things being real as well,
such as communicating with non human intelligence.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
What do you think, Well, I think that's.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
A really deep and very layered.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Statement and question what we do know?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So people don't even have to guess anymore, because there's
been research that's done on this. So really it's just
a person who may not know the knowledge or the information,
they may not be informed. But the Gunsfeld the experiments
which were done proved that on some level that we
are telepathic and we can communicate with each other without
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using our words. So we do know that that's a thing. Now,
whether a person accepts that or accepts the research that's
been done, that's a whole different story. But we know
that we're capable of that, and like you said, so well,
so eloquently the idea that non human intelligences as we
know of them, have displayed that they can communicate without
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their word, without these.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Moving their lips.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Anyone who's had an encounter almost always says the same thing.
They were talking to me, or there was something happening
and communication happening, but it wasn't what words, and I
just knew what was being said even though they didn't.
They weren't moving their lips and they didn't have lips
in some examples. So I think, just like the Banister effect,
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which Roger Banister was this person who broke the four
minute mile, right, that you hear a lot. Once we
become aware and accept the idea that this is possible,
that we open up the channels for us as a
this kind of resonant field, for us to really start
to explore and grow in this ability. And I think,
you know, in my own opinion that that might be
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what these non human intelligences are doing. It's just saying, hey,
look what we can do. Oh, by the way, you
can do this too, and that's why you can hear me.
Now go explore and experiment and and grow in this
so that you can develop these abilities so then we can.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Have a real conversation.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Because if I go to another country and I only
know like a few words, it's still pretty hard to communicate.
But if I go to another country and I've like,
the more words I have, the easier for me to communicate.
So I think in this particular example, there may be
some of that going on where it's like, hey, this
is what's possible.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Now you do to work to get there.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, they say that's a real thing. Where that just
the fact that we put our own blocks in. For example,
a good one is the four minute mile. Oh no,
you can't do that, We can't go that far. It's
just like all of these things for me. Oftentimes it's
a matter of technology. Oh, you can't get there from here,
that's why aliens aren't here. Well, you know, we used
to think you couldn't traverse the Atlantic Ocean. That used
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to take three months. Now we can do it in
three hours because of technology. Maybe can't get there from
here will change as we get better technology.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, you know, it's beautiful that you said that. It's
really odd to hear scientists saying and trying to wrap
lives why there can't be non human intelligences or extraterrestrials
coming from a different place, And they say, well, you know,
it take too long, or this, that and the other
and it's like, yes, with our understanding of science, and
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then the hubrists to believe that we are the end all,
be all to all understanding in the universe based on
what we know. Now we've consistently proven that that's that
our limitations are not real things. They're governed by our
own desire to want to maintain those limitations. And so
what you have is, time after time we've proven a
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person say, oh, you can't harness that static stuff that's
coming off your body. Another guy says, hold my beer,
and then they do it. And then you have a
person who says, oh, we can't contain light in a
bubble and like, brighten up our room, and another person says,
hold my beer and they do it. You know, it's
like it's like and then we say, well, these beings
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can't travel from another place because we can't travel to
another place fast enough. Oh okay, well we aren't the
end all be all to all knowledge.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why do we always use our own little lens when
we don't even know what they're capable of. It seems
so limiting again. Technology thirty two years ago, the mainstream
belief was there are no other planets anywhere in the universe,
not just our solar system, you know, the rest of
the universe. Then they found one, then they found another.
Now they believe there's one point six planets for every
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single star in the known universe. So that's how far
we were wrong, you know, by a factor of four
trillion or whatever that number. But it's like that the
number is up there, it's over two trillion. Yeah, So
I mean that's how far we were wrong. It's like,
I don't like how we're so dug in. It's with
our limits of where we are today. One hundred years
from now, if telepathy becomes known and proliferates, everybody will
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know it. Yeah, it'll just be like one of these
other things, like the Earth was flat to everybody at
one point, you know, and then we learned it was
it Now everybody knows that. A three year old knows that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, And it's it's you know, me being a sy
op guy. It's this idea or an dex siop guys,
this idea of the once a.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Guy always that sounds exactly like someone that would say that, Yeah,
I'll go ahead, that's funny.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
No, do not can vary to that guard, you know,
But I still have you're right, and that in a sense,
I still have that that I to look at things
from that perspective.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I don't use these.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Things on people because I held, I held true to
the oath that we took that syop was something that
we used in foreign adversaries, not on our own domestic folks.
I don't use this stuff, but I see I still
use the techniques to understand what's happening around me. And
one of the things that I see going on a
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lot is this confirmation bias, you know, And so people
really want to dig into their confirmation bias because in
this normalcy bias, because it makes them feel strong, and
it makes them feel certain and we like certainty as
a species, you know, we like to know where we're
going to get our food. We'd like to know where
we're going to get our water. We like to know
that things are going to be the same. I flipped
a like switch and it comes on. And the idea
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that that's not going to happen is very uncomfortable for many.
So we don't want to prepare for it, we don't
want to accept it. And that's what you see happening
time and time again, is that we have so many
people have in these experiences with UAPs and non human intelligences,
but it's outside of a lot of people's comfort zone
because it's not normal to them, so they rather just
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imagine or believe that it doesn't exist. Then embrace the idea,
must be crazy, yeah, exactly, and embrace the idea and
then change your point of view and grow Right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Why do that? Do you feel there's a direct connection
between these sigabilities you're talking about, like remote viewing, a telepathy,
et cetera, and the UFO UAP Pheno'm.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yes, I definitely believe there's a connection. And the connection
is that many of the reports these entities, these non
human intelligences are communicating or operating their ships. They're you know,
whatever these vehicles are with their consciousness, right and so,
and we know that siability, uh you know, is heavily
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integrated into consciousness or emerges from consciousness. And so I
like to think that that is the key us understanding
where our siability comes from, us understanding how it connects
to the grand scheme of things through consciousness is really
what's going to allow us to really understand UAP and
non human intelligences because from the accounts of people that
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are people are having.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That's how these entities.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Are communicating and operating. They're operating through this consciousness. They're
operating their ships through this level of consciousness, and they're
communicating with us and everything else through consciousness.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Absolutely, when we come back, we're going to talk more
with a chem about his work as a psychological operations
sergeant or should I say ex psychological You're listening to
Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am
Aaron Omal podcast Network. Okay, we're back on Beyond Contact.
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We're speaking with Hakei Missler. We were talking about the
tie in with sighabilities and the UFO connection. I'd like
to diverge for a second, Hakim, and just for a minute,
let's talk about your work as a psychological operations sergeant.
We've heard these different various stories over the years with
people like I mentioned Richard Dody, Bill Moore, Kit Green,
and even John Alexander who's going to be at your event.
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All of these guys have cleaned to intentionally muddy the
waters and purposely clouded the information on UFOs in your
work as a psychological operations sergeant, can you see how
this would or could have happened.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, absolutely, I definitely see how this could have happened
and why on many layers that they would do things
like this. And so let's just take something recent that
has come out that I'm covering on my YouTube channel,
which is when I was with Skip at Water and
we talked about I had asked him once to say,
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and Skip was the guy who created the remote viewing
program for the Army, and I said, hey, you know, what,
were there are any other programs for remote viewing? And
at the time I couldn't say out loud that he
had told me this, But now he's been on this
other podcast, Sean Ryan, and he's talked about it. So
he said there were four others that I knew about
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based on my experience, so five total. You know, based
on my clearances, I would have the knowledge to know these,
but other people would not because they didn't have to clearance,
even people in the program for the Army. And I said, oh, wow,
you know, but I never told anybody. But then he
brought that up again on Sean Ryan. Now the same
with hal put Off, who just went on Joe Rogan.
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Joe was like, well, why did they shut this thing down,
and Joe was and how I was like, well, you know,
when I got out, I did get a call from
those same people I used to work for, and they said,
would I be interested in starting the program again? And
I turned them down because I had already moved on
to this other stuff that I was working on. And
he said, but I can tell you that if they
asked me and I, then they probably had a backup
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to ask and they asked that person, that person probably
say yeah, So why would then the army or these
the government organizations push so hard to make people believe
that the remote viewing program has been shut down. And
I think from a syop perspective, it's because one of
the issues that they had was that one they found
out everybody could do it on some level, and the better,
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the more you trained, the better you got. And based
on their research, there was no way to stop it
from happening.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Then I was a big result that they that scared
everybody was that that you can not prevent someone from
doing this, like yes, people outside the program were shocked
that that's it. What do you mean it can see
what's in my desk? Yeah, yeah, that's the way and
they can't even believe it.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
So yes, So what do you do you make people?
You change their perspective by saying, oh, it didn't work.
You know, we just wasted money. You know, this is
all a pipe dream. There was no real information garnered
from it. And then of course that goes out into
the public and people start saying, oh, okay, well this
is not valuable. I'm not going to waste my time
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with it. You know, these guys did it for twenty years,
got no good results, and they shut it down. But
if you look at the results, you know, you find
out pretty quickly that that's not true. So let's go
back to your question. I digress. The question is running
the syop on people in regards to having them not
believe in.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
UAPs and so on and so forth.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
That has to do with control if people get If
you can't control the narrative, if you have people getting
information from somewhere else, the only time you can control
the narrative is if you can control the place that
people are getting information, what information those people are getting.
That's why I also think, you know, side games and
things like it is going to be really important because
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it is going to allow people to understand their own
sovereignty and their own ability to be able to say,
I am going to call Ron and have a conversation
with him without having to call Jane Doe and the
Army and get on the call with me and Ron. No,
I'm just going to reach out to him by myself
directly because I know I can do that, and then
we can have a conversation about these things. And I
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think that's a very big threat for people. And so
if I had to write this up, I'd say, Okay, well,
one of the ways we have to do this keep
people from doing that is recognizing their own ability to
be able to connect, being able to gain and understand
information about these non human intelligences or these UAPs.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And that's where we are now.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, I think all of these programs like for example,
Stargate and some of these others that have studied SIGH
abilities over the years in our military, and I should
also say, like some of these UAP programs like a
TIP or asapp, you know, some of these others, I
think it makes rational sense to me that they would
shut these programs down and then when they get exposed,
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they can be like, oh yeah, we looked into that,
but there was nothing there, so we shut it down,
when in fact they are probably just reopened up under
a new name in some other department in a different location.
That makes logical sense to me. Do you think that's
what happens.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
That's perfect sense. And as a matter of fact, we
have presidents for that. So the idea is that with
the remote viewing program, we know every three to five
years they had to change their name. So that's why
we have so many different names. We have grill Flame,
we have Sunstreak, we have stargate, we have all these
different names. Every few years they had to change it
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just in case somebody started getting information and piecing together
what was going on. Then they switch it to something else.
So we already know that that kind of goes on.
We have an understanding of why that is. Another example
of this is Navy Seals and Delta Force. So I'm
here just outside of Fort Bragg. I was a special
operator here on Fort Bragg in siop We know about
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the Navy Seals, which actually is in Virginia. We know
about Delta Force, which is here. I have several friends
that went to the unit which is Delta Force, and
I remember this one friend, Mike, I'll just call him Mike.
He and I went through certain training together. He was
going Special Forces, I was going SIOP. He and I
went to sear School together, which was the Army's interrogation
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and pow camp school. They turn you how to deal with.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
All that stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
We left and parted ways, and we end up bumping
back into each other and I was like, hey, man,
where'd you go? You know, you went to SF and
then all my friends said you were there for a
little while, but then you just disappeared. And we had
a little off off the line talk and he was like, yeah,
I went to the unit and I got selected then
and then I did really well at the Delta Force
and he was like you know. And then somebody else
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came and asked me if I wanted to be a
part of a group and I said what group? And
he was like, well, just a group and I said
what group was that? And he was like all I
can say, Hakem is that Delta is not the upper echelon.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
There are other groups.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And they don't have names. And I was like, oh,
you're one of those groups. It was like you know,
and I was like okay, cool. So if you know
about it, probably there's ten layers beneath it that of
things that you don't know about, different groups, different people,
because that's how they hide these things. And what we're
finding out now today is that, you know, these clever folks,
because they knew that Congress could have, you know, could
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come in and like say demand stuff, they would set
up these fake corporations and work with corporations to kind
of develop these things. You know, these different organizations and
groups that we didn't have the reach as the government
to be able to reach in and say you have
to give us this information. And that's how they're hiding
a lot of these UAPs. NASA and Eric Davis came
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out and said that at a hearing recently, and so
you have this understanding that that's the way that they've
been hiding it all is all along.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It makes perfect sense that they would do that, and
I'm sure it goes on all the time, because it's
very rational to think that. I'm sure that all these
programs still exist to some degree on one level or
not in another form. You know, why would they stop
studying something like these PSI experiments if they've even only
had minor success when we know that Russia and China
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are doing it and having various degrees of success, why
would we want to fall behind on something like that?
You know, truthfully, it's pretty inexpensive. There's not a lot
of equipment in something like this.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You know, yeah, super cheap.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's still going on.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
It's really cheap.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I mean, you get a guy or a girl in
a pad and a sheet of paper and they can
tell you anything about anything anywhere.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
You know that nobody can stop. I mean, it's hard
to believe.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
It's like Star Wars, you know, it's incredible.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
The way they the best way to protect the remote
viewers was to make sure that their cover stayed intact
and that nobody knew they were remote viewers, because the
only way to stop a remote viewer, per my teacher
Paul Smith, and I've trained with many others, but he
says this all the time, the only way to stop
a remote viewer was to actually take out the remote
viewer because they had no other means of being able
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to stop them from gaining the information. And so many
people that believe Price was taken out, Yes, Pat Price, yep,
that's definitely yep.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
There's definitely a lot there because he was so good.
This is why, this is another reason why we have
the side games. We have no clue what is possible
when we really get together in a community and we
really start speaking a language of higher vibration, not fluff.
Not Everyone wants to claim that they have the answer
and it's all about light and love. I definitely believe
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it's about light and love, but I also don't think
that we need to separate ourselves into my group has
the answer, your group doesn't have the answer.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Right when we love perspective.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That is not a light love perspective.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Even though people want to believe that let's get together
and let's not let people keep us, these organizations separate us,
and then we can start to really understand the truth,
the bigger picture about what's happening as we train to develop.
I think the true connection between non human intelligences UAPs
and us as human as the human species, we just
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have to evolve and grow into our true potential for
us to really be able to connect on that level.
It's about us coming together, loving each other, and helping
each other grow so that we can then move to
the next stage of our evolution, and I think that's
what our friends are trying to get us to understand.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Well, let us right, Okay, when we come back, we're
going to talk more with a chem about his thoughts
on Jake Barber's account and the entire Skywatcher program, as
well as this recent Wall Street Journal article that came out.
I want to get his insights on that. You're listening
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podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain
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Ron speaking to Hakeem Missler Haqum. Did you see that
big article I'm sure you did in the Wall Street
Journal recently that claimed so much of this UFO lore,
particularly like Area fifty one, was largely all fueled by
the US military and Pentagon disinformation efforts. You know, claimed
in the eighties that an Air Force colonel distributed these
fake flyers of a fake flying saucer and he put
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them in a bar near Area fifty one to get
people to get off the scent of the stealth fighter
and things. What do you think of all these claims?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I think, yeah, definitely these guys the Wall in the
Wall Street Journal article where they basically said nothing to
see here, right, and we already.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Know they always say nothing.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, and again that's because you're you're just denied, deny, deny,
and eventually hopefully people believe, believe, believe. What does that
do to us as the population? It segregates us, It
separates us. Right now you have the believers and then
the non believers, the people who want that normalcy bias
and that confirmation bias to continue, they will grab onto
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those as anchors. And it's funny because that article just
seemed like it came out of nowhere, right. It wasn't
like like it was just like we're on our way
to disclosure, the government's behind it, everybody's talking about it,
blah blah blah, and bam, here's this article.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
It's but that seems like it's bien design, like they're
trying to push back because we're starting to get make
some progress.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And they're trying to exactly exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
So when you know, it's almost like I'm looking at
an argue. I'm looking at a debate from afar right
between these two folks and one saying yes, UFOs are
real and the others saying no, UFO aren't real because
I just feel that way. And the person who's saying yes,
they're starting to add all of this data and all
this research. Oh well this came out and we just
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did this research, and what about this thing and that thing,
And then that person looking from afar sees that the
person who's four UFOs actually is winning the debate. You know,
they're like, oh man, it's a lot of information. So
they just decide, oh, I'm going to come up and
I'm going to give a little bit of data for
the other guy.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
The problem with that article to me was reading it
from you know, I have a very unbiased look at this.
I really try to stay right dead center in the middle.
And to me, the problem with that article is I
believe everything that they're saying is true. Yes, they probably
misled people, but that doesn't mean two things can't be true. Yes,
they put out this information that these things are that
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to get people the stray, but that doesn't mean it's
not still happening. Commander David Fraverer and Pilot Ryan Graves
and other guys saying they see these unknown objects all
the time and all that's probably happening too. One does
not eliminate the others. My point, it's like, okay, yeah,
that's fine that you did that, but that does not
mean that none of this is true at all.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Yes, exactly, And so this vagueness can also be there
as well, where you just say just enough that it
leaves people in one direction on their own, all right.
And one of the things we used to say when
I was in is that you don't force a person
to believe something. You give them just enough they will
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come up with the understanding you want them to come
up with on.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Their own, you know, because the.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Point and they're like, no, no, no I did this, he.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Didn't tell Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, So you give them just enough that they are
going to come up with that conclusion. And then once
they come up with that conclusion, they'll defend that conclusion
because it was their conclusion. Nobody gave that to them.
But really you did it all along. It was by design.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Absolutely. Now you know, you just recalled something to my
brain here that you know I heard you speak once
about this this spy let's call him that. That who
you talk to? Who he said that he was even
fooled by people that he trusted that ended up being
double agents because he was an expert on this and
couldn't be fooled, and he got fooled. So then he said,
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what about these non human intelligence experiences that people are
having and they say they're so peaceful, how do we
know they're not playing us either? Like Stephen Hawking said,
you know, be careful what you wish for. We shouldn't
be raising our hand because who knows who's going to
see us.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yes, I'm with you, I'm middle of the road and
Syop has really taught me to be that. It's quite
often it's not either or it's both. There's something in
between there. And so do you have the camp that
says is all light and love, there's no negativity, because
in order to evolve to that level, they have to
be a certain way. Going to what you were talking about,
what you mentioned at the beginning of the segment about
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Jake Barber, he highlighted that one of the ways they
found to create some ionic assets, or people would become
psionic assets, is through fear and trauma and disassociation. But
we also know that love and compassion and you know,
is another way to it. And if you look at
that we have stories that tell us about that. We
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have the Star Wars. If you're creating a person who
has these abilities solely through fear and trauma, then that
kind of sounds like you're creating a set. If you're
and if you're creating a person through understanding their emotions,
embracing their emotions but working with them in a healthy way,
you're creating a Jedi. Even in that world, we see
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that dichotomy, that balance between the two, you know, like incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
How how Star Wars does really kind of play into
a lot of these things, even like psyops even the
whole idea of there being this force or whatever we're
all interconnected, you know, like the synchronicity thing is because
we're all connected supposedly.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yes, so you know, here's my question to you, which
I know you're questioning me, but here's my question to you.
Are there these three possibilities. One possibility is that I'm
pre I'm writing let's say, George Lucas, I'm writing Star Wars.
One possibility is I'm precognating the future, right, like I
actually see the story, the future story, and I'm writing
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it now. Another is that I'm connected with something on
some deep level, and I'm actually just it's just come
flowing out of me for whatever reason. And the third
possibility is is that something's influencing me to write the
story intention intentionally, Yeah, like musing me, because then if
you can muse me in the right direction and I
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put that out there, then we know that it inspires.
It can inspire people a lot of the stuff we
have now. I mean, you and I both know when
you were sitting at home watching Star Trek and they're
touching the screen. It's got a little thing and you're
just like, well, how cool would it be if I
could just touch the screen on the computers were just
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coming out to be a thing.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Back then, you know he had a watch where he
could FaceTime people, right, It's like, wow, imagine if that
were real?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well yeah, and so did that just that a person
never have that encounter watching Dick Tracy and they just decide,
I'm just going to make a thing called the Apple
Watch where you can like talk to people. Or was
that did that give somebody an idea to say, oh,
you know what, we can put a camera in a
watch and have people talk to people, And that be
because of that story so.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Or Haken, does it tie back into your original thing
about the four minute mile. What we thought was impossible,
he thinks is possible because he saw it, you know
what I mean, it's.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yes, lays down that wall.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
And if our friends, if our NHI friends know this,
they could very well be you know, putting that into
musing that into people.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
That could be.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It seems like you have this underlining belief that they're
almost guardian angels helping us. Like it just smells that
way when you talk about you again some of them.
I mean, it's possible, you know again, that could be
a false narrative and they could be in fact intentionally
wanting you to think that. Hey, I want to get
your thoughts on the Jake Barber James follower organization called Skywatcher.
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You know, they have made some incredible claims. Man, you know,
his interview with Ross originally kind of broke psionics that
word into the community again and it's become so hot
right now. But I like this idea that they claim
to be doing this in a scientific way, applying scientific
rigor to this with optics, infrared, radar, all these different
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ways to collect data on these aerial phenomenon. But they're
claiming that they have this dog whistle that may have
a very high rate of response with UAPs. What are
your thoughts about all this?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I think that that could be very possible.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
You know, I'm a practicing yogi and their frequencies and
vibrations that have been talked about in ancient times that
allow us to do certain things, you know, or allow
Yogi's in a past to be able to walk through
solid matter, see things in different places, commune, dicate with
entities that are on other planes of existence. But it's
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vibrational based and energy based, So I can understand that
if that's the case, it would make sense that we
can find a vibration or a frequency that would allow
us to reach out to these things. Now, if these
things are probes and they're designed to listen or feel
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for certain disturbances, whether it be nuclear disturbances or energetic
disturbances which also could be caused by nuclear stuff, and
then they come to that to see what's going on
in the field that that location because they need to
record it and send back the information. That makes a
lot of sense to me, not necessarily that the thing,
the person itself is coming but if we have probes
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out there, you know, and we hear certain things. I mean,
now we have certain sonar and things of that nature
that is always going on, and to see that if
we hear certain sound, it will draw the attention and
let us know, because that might be like a submarine,
an enemy submarine somewhere. And not that this thing is
looking at us for enemies, but it's just here surveying,
making sure that if something interesting happens, the higher beings
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or the beings controlling it know about it. And so
if this dog whistle per se is sending out that
type of frequency or vibration and these things, these unmanned
monitors can come around and say and look to see, well,
where's this freak?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
What's going on here? Is there a nuclear blast?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
You know, some rift in the energy?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
An EI system is probably unmanned and it's probably responding,
which would make logical sense. We need to take a
break here, buddy. We'll we write back when we come back.
We're going to talk with Hakeem about some of his
personal experiences. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on beyond contact. We're speaking with Hakeem about psionics
and its ties to the UFO world. There does seem
to be some sort of conscious connection between our consciousness
and other realms or intelligences somehow, like an overlap of
a lot of these different disciplines, like people that talk
to people have passed on, people who have had a
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contact the experience, people who have said they have an
experience here on earth, like with a gin or a
ghost or some other entity. Do you think our human
consciousness is being influenced by Nhi in some way.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
That's a great question, and I think so. So I
have a theory, and I've talked about this with you
and other people. I explain consciousness. I say, let's think
of it as the ocean. So consciousness is the ocean,
and then we are humans on land. But we have
various ways that we can integrate or interface with the ocean.
Some people get in a boat and they go out
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there and they go fishing, or they just hang out.
Some people go surfing. Some people on a boogie board.
Some people are on a paddle board. Some people are
on a jet ski. So all of those different modes
of interfacing with the ocean would be like the jet
ski is like remote viewing, and the paddle board is like,
you know, precognition, and so we all have these different ways,
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and then there are really deep ways to get integrated
with the ocean, Like you could be a deep sea diver.
If you go deep sea diving, your experience is going
to be dramatically different than somebody who is on the
surface just on a paddle board. Right, you're going to
bump into a whale or you know, a seal down there,
are you going to see some starfish and you know,
And so the deeper you go, the more likely you
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are to have these different encounters with the things that
are underneath the surface of the ocean, which in this
example is consciousness. So the deeper you go into consciousness,
the more you're likely to have these deeper experiences with
non human intelligences or spirits that have passed from this
plane to the next plane, you know, which in the
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ocean example, may just be another diver underneath the water,
you know, and you're like, oh, crap, I didn't know
you were down here, you know, and white form down there,
Sure there are another life form down there. So you know,
we have all these different ways, and I mean we
still haven't conscious just like the ocean, we haven't really
scratched a surface on consciousness yet neither. You know, we've
only discovered like a couple percent of the ocean, like
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five or ten or less, percent, you know, And it's
the same thing with consciousness. We're just on the frontiers
of that. When people come back with these experiences like
we find new species in the ocean, and where we're like,
whoa this thing is? Like down here, there's a snell
I read about recently that moves on the rim of
an underwater volcano that has somehow evolved to make its
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shell pure iron. I'm not sure if you know about
that snell. It has an iron like iron as in
the metal right, iron shell, and that allows it to
not only survive to this volcano, but also survived the
pressure of underwater and all that stuff. A multitude of things.
So when these scientists and stuff are saying what we
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can't and can't and what can't be possible, and we're discovering,
literally discovering things that we didn't know.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Every year, see.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Something like that example, right there is something that none
of us would believe is true, and yet it turns
out it is true. Yes, just like what you're talking
about with consciousness and sigh abilities, maybe these things are
in fact true. We just need to give it a
little more time and a little more research. Yes, you know,
for me, the Dehlia and Lido demonstration was really incredible
(36:37):
and has stayed with me. What is the strongest evidence
that you have personally witnessed of a sigh ability that
blew your mind.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I've had so many experiences.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Also, I'd say it was my first time really seeing
Paul Smith do a remote viewing. You know, he had
warned us, he said, hey, it's not one hundred percent,
so just be warned. And you know, it was during
one of our classes, and he hit it so on
the nose. I was just like, whoa, this is what's possible.
It gave me a little anxiety because I'm like, I'll
never be that good, you know, you know, And then
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when I had my first really good remote viewing really
blew me away. I try to stay objective of my
subjective experiences, which again is part of my training, and
I had an outerbody experience at the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
As you know, as you may know.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I'm an advisory board member there, but I have my experience.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Is there anything that you are not that would be quicker?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I'm not a bad guy. There's so many thoughts.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
So I had an encounter with something that told me
some very specific stuff about myself and in my future
self that has now several of them have come to pass,
and I was like, did I precognate that or was
there something else? And it became validated over the next
several weeks and it really blew me away.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Those are the two things.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Those are the three things that I found that were
really life changing for me. I did witness UAPs with
Chris Bledsoe in his backyard when we first became really
good friends and I became friends of his family. I
went over there a couple of times, and the first
one was way up in the sky and I was
trying to stay objective, but one of them was right there.
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There was no way for it to be faked, or
it would have to be something extraordinary for it to
be fake, definitely like top class, you know, wizitry. For
that thing to not be what it was showing itself
to be to me at that particular time, so leaving
the door opened at maybe, but ultimately I didn't believe that.
I believed that it was something real, And so those
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would be my experiences the one time with Paul, my
first really good remote viewing, my out of body experience
at the Monroe, and then this experience with the UAP
that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
What do you think it's going to take for the
rest of the world to come on board that there
is in fact something to all of this SI ability.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I think that's where we come in with the side games.
I think we don't need more research papers. The average
person in the world is not who's not excited or
doesn't really know about SI is not going to pick
up your scientific research paper and read it. There's such
heavy distrust with science anyway, that even if you came
out with twenty more papers and everybody came on board
(39:25):
and say yes, then there would be a massive amount
of the population that still would just be like, oh,
that's all harkwa washed scientists are no good anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
After COVID doesn't announced that we have alien beings right now,
I don't think many people would believe it. I only think, yes,
it's incredible how the world is now.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Yes, yes, it's like that show and that movie. Don't
look or look up?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Don't look up?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Where you know you had this politician, these these all
this political battle and it was a comment coming to
destroy the planet. And they didn't want you to know
that the comment was coming because they wanted to avoid
like this mass you know, hysteria.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And so the.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Scientists was like, look, it's coming, it's coming, and then
the politicians just like, don't believe those crazies. It's not real.
Don't don't even look up at this guy because at
a certain point you could see the comet, but they
were just like, that's the that's a trick, you know,
don't even look up. And so the whole thing was
the normal lay people were like on going on there
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their social media like don't look up, don't look.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know that the headline that you know, we had
these horrible floods in Texas. Kids are dying, eighty two
are dead so far. It's a horrible thing. And she
said that, you know, the whole thing spake weather manipulation,
that they've killed people. I mean, it's it's remarkable how
the world is today.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
So going back to your question, I think that what
it's really going to take is to make it personal
for people. It has to be integrated in people's household
because I'm more likely to believe my wife or my
best friend than i am some scientists that I have
no connection to or some politician.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
So the more people we.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Can have that say that this is real and then
can demonstrate it and the different communities, the more likely
people are gonna accept it.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
That's one.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Regardless of what your feelings were about COVID, when someone
that you were close to died of it, it changed
your perspective. You know, when when you were isolated and
you were just going off information, it was really easy
to have that debate and be really strong and hard like,
oh it's nothing happening or whatever, this all conspiracy. But
if you had somebody close to you pass on very often,
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you probably flip your perspective or at least had more
compassion when somebody said that they were feeling a certain
way about it. So I think in this particular instance,
the way we get people to really understand it is
we have to make it accessible to the average person,
which is what we're trying to do with the side games,
where people can actually come and see what's happening, and
they can see these normal people being able to do it.
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They can then experience it through some of the fun
interactive things that we're going to do with the people there.
And then they have mentors. They have people who have
been doing and researching this for thirty forty fifty years,
scientists and all different types of people from different walks
of life that are there to be able to give
you guidance and then you can learn, you can lean
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into their background a little, you know, versus some random
scary person that comes out of the shadows and says, hey, Ron,
I'll take you and teach you this psychic ability.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
And then we never see Ron again.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
You know. I think it's a really great idea, man,
and I really really wish you all the best of
luck with the event. I think it's a great idea.
I think it's something that we need out there. Hey,
I appreciate you taking the time to come on here today, man,
Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Guys. You can find Hakeem at this at his event
the PSI Games International dot Com that's coming up on
August first. I will be there in person. Until then,
you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CITD
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(43:03):
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Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week on Beyond Content,
we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we're going to be speaking with Hakeem Isler. Hakim's one
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of those prolific guys that does so much that I
feel like a complete degenerate around him. He's a combat
veteran as a psychological Operations sergeant, Wilderness Survival instructor, martial artist,
a leading consciousness explorer. He's written five books, and he's
dedicated to advancing psychic and remote viewing practices through his
(01:38):
new conference that he created called the SI Games International.
We're going to talk to Hakim today about how these
PSI abilities have grown to be so prominent in the
UFO space. Hey Hakim, how you doing, buddy, good to
see you.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I'm doing good.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Thank you very much for having me on the show.
Really appreciate it, and thanks for that intro. That thing
is fantastic.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You have your fan pastors and believe all the stuff.
You're one of these guys that we could do a
twenty hour show on different stuff. You know, you were
just at Contact, which was really fantastic, and you know
when you were there, you did this amazing demonstration of
telepathy on stage with these two people, Delia and Lito.
If we get to the point of demonstrating to the
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rest of the world that human telepathy is possible, that
it could perhaps sway people to be more open to
the idea of there being a non human intelligence. I
mean this in two waysk Number one, there are so
many accounts of encounters with NHI that include telepathy. Therefore,
showing that humans can do telepathy would lend credence to
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these accounts. And also perhaps when people discover that something
that's quote unquote impossible, such as telepathy, is in fact real,
then perhaps they would be more open to their consciousness
opening up to other extraordinary things being real as well,
such as communicating with non human intelligence.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
What do you think, Well, I think that's.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
A really deep and very layered.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Statement and question what we do know?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So people don't even have to guess anymore, because there's
been research that's done on this. So really it's just
a person who may not know the knowledge or the information,
they may not be informed. But the Gunsfeld the experiments
which were done proved that on some level that we
are telepathic and we can communicate with each other without
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using our words. So we do know that that's a thing. Now,
whether a person accepts that or accepts the research that's
been done, that's a whole different story. But we know
that we're capable of that, and like you said, so well,
so eloquently the idea that non human intelligences as we
know of them, have displayed that they can communicate without
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their word, without these.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Moving their lips.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Anyone who's had an encounter almost always says the same thing.
They were talking to me, or there was something happening
and communication happening, but it wasn't what words, and I
just knew what was being said even though they didn't.
They weren't moving their lips and they didn't have lips
in some examples. So I think, just like the Banister effect,
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which Roger Banister was this person who broke the four
minute mile, right, that you hear a lot. Once we
become aware and accept the idea that this is possible,
that we open up the channels for us as a
this kind of resonant field, for us to really start
to explore and grow in this ability. And I think,
you know, in my own opinion that that might be
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what these non human intelligences are doing. It's just saying, hey,
look what we can do. Oh, by the way, you
can do this too, and that's why you can hear me.
Now go explore and experiment and and grow in this
so that you can develop these abilities so then we can.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Have a real conversation.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Because if I go to another country and I only
know like a few words, it's still pretty hard to communicate.
But if I go to another country and I've like,
the more words I have, the easier for me to communicate.
So I think in this particular example, there may be
some of that going on where it's like, hey, this
is what's possible.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Now you do to work to get there.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, they say that's a real thing. Where that just
the fact that we put our own blocks in. For example,
a good one is the four minute mile. Oh no,
you can't do that, We can't go that far. It's
just like all of these things for me. Oftentimes it's
a matter of technology. Oh, you can't get there from here,
that's why aliens aren't here. Well, you know, we used
to think you couldn't traverse the Atlantic Ocean. That used
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to take three months. Now we can do it in
three hours because of technology. Maybe can't get there from
here will change as we get better technology.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Yeah, you know, it's beautiful that you said that. It's
really odd to hear scientists saying and trying to wrap
lives why there can't be non human intelligences or extraterrestrials
coming from a different place, And they say, well, you know,
it take too long, or this, that and the other
and it's like, yes, with our understanding of science, and
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then the hubrists to believe that we are the end all,
be all to all understanding in the universe based on
what we know. Now we've consistently proven that that's that
our limitations are not real things. They're governed by our
own desire to want to maintain those limitations. And so
what you have is, time after time we've proven a
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person say, oh, you can't harness that static stuff that's
coming off your body. Another guy says, hold my beer,
and then they do it. And then you have a
person who says, oh, we can't contain light in a
bubble and like, brighten up our room, and another person says,
hold my beer and they do it. You know, it's
like it's like and then we say, well, these beings
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can't travel from another place because we can't travel to
another place fast enough. Oh okay, well we aren't the
end all be all to all knowledge.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Why do we always use our own little lens when
we don't even know what they're capable of. It seems
so limiting again. Technology thirty two years ago, the mainstream
belief was there are no other planets anywhere in the universe,
not just our solar system, you know, the rest of
the universe. Then they found one, then they found another.
Now they believe there's one point six planets for every
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single star in the known universe. So that's how far
we were wrong, you know, by a factor of four
trillion or whatever that number. But it's like that the
number is up there, it's over two trillion. Yeah, So
I mean that's how far we were wrong. It's like,
I don't like how we're so dug in. It's with
our limits of where we are today. One hundred years
from now, if telepathy becomes known and proliferates, everybody will
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know it. Yeah, it'll just be like one of these
other things, like the Earth was flat to everybody at
one point, you know, and then we learned it was
it Now everybody knows that. A three year old knows that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Yeah, And it's it's you know, me being a sy
op guy. It's this idea or an dex siop guys,
this idea of the once a.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Guy always that sounds exactly like someone that would say that, Yeah,
I'll go ahead, that's funny.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
No, do not can vary to that guard, you know,
But I still have you're right, and that in a sense,
I still have that that I to look at things
from that perspective.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I don't use these.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Things on people because I held, I held true to
the oath that we took that syop was something that
we used in foreign adversaries, not on our own domestic folks.
I don't use this stuff, but I see I still
use the techniques to understand what's happening around me. And
one of the things that I see going on a
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lot is this confirmation bias, you know, And so people
really want to dig into their confirmation bias because in
this normalcy bias, because it makes them feel strong, and
it makes them feel certain and we like certainty as
a species, you know, we like to know where we're
going to get our food. We'd like to know where
we're going to get our water. We like to know
that things are going to be the same. I flipped
a like switch and it comes on. And the idea
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that that's not going to happen is very uncomfortable for many.
So we don't want to prepare for it, we don't
want to accept it. And that's what you see happening
time and time again, is that we have so many
people have in these experiences with UAPs and non human intelligences,
but it's outside of a lot of people's comfort zone
because it's not normal to them, so they rather just
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imagine or believe that it doesn't exist. Then embrace the idea,
must be crazy, yeah, exactly, and embrace the idea and
then change your point of view and grow Right.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Why do that? Do you feel there's a direct connection
between these sigabilities you're talking about, like remote viewing, a telepathy,
et cetera, and the UFO UAP Pheno'm.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yes, I definitely believe there's a connection. And the connection
is that many of the reports these entities, these non
human intelligences are communicating or operating their ships. They're you know,
whatever these vehicles are with their consciousness, right and so,
and we know that siability, uh you know, is heavily
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integrated into consciousness or emerges from consciousness. And so I
like to think that that is the key us understanding
where our siability comes from, us understanding how it connects
to the grand scheme of things through consciousness is really
what's going to allow us to really understand UAP and
non human intelligences because from the accounts of people that
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are people are having.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
That's how these entities.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Are communicating and operating. They're operating through this consciousness. They're
operating their ships through this level of consciousness, and they're
communicating with us and everything else through consciousness.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Absolutely, when we come back, we're going to talk more
with a chem about his work as a psychological operations
sergeant or should I say ex psychological You're listening to
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Aaron Omal podcast Network. Okay, we're back on Beyond Contact.
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We're speaking with Hakei Missler. We were talking about the
tie in with sighabilities and the UFO connection. I'd like
to diverge for a second, Hakim, and just for a minute,
let's talk about your work as a psychological operations sergeant.
We've heard these different various stories over the years with
people like I mentioned Richard Dody, Bill Moore, Kit Green,
and even John Alexander who's going to be at your event.
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All of these guys have cleaned to intentionally muddy the
waters and purposely clouded the information on UFOs in your
work as a psychological operations sergeant, can you see how
this would or could have happened.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, absolutely, I definitely see how this could have happened
and why on many layers that they would do things
like this. And so let's just take something recent that
has come out that I'm covering on my YouTube channel,
which is when I was with Skip at Water and
we talked about I had asked him once to say,
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and Skip was the guy who created the remote viewing
program for the Army, and I said, hey, you know, what,
were there are any other programs for remote viewing? And
at the time I couldn't say out loud that he
had told me this, But now he's been on this
other podcast, Sean Ryan, and he's talked about it. So
he said there were four others that I knew about
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based on my experience, so five total. You know, based
on my clearances, I would have the knowledge to know these,
but other people would not because they didn't have to clearance,
even people in the program for the Army. And I said, oh, wow,
you know, but I never told anybody. But then he
brought that up again on Sean Ryan. Now the same
with hal put Off, who just went on Joe Rogan.
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Joe was like, well, why did they shut this thing down,
and Joe was and how I was like, well, you know,
when I got out, I did get a call from
those same people I used to work for, and they said,
would I be interested in starting the program again? And
I turned them down because I had already moved on
to this other stuff that I was working on. And
he said, but I can tell you that if they
asked me and I, then they probably had a backup
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to ask and they asked that person, that person probably
say yeah, So why would then the army or these
the government organizations push so hard to make people believe
that the remote viewing program has been shut down. And
I think from a syop perspective, it's because one of
the issues that they had was that one they found
out everybody could do it on some level, and the better,
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the more you trained, the better you got. And based
on their research, there was no way to stop it
from happening.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Then I was a big result that they that scared
everybody was that that you can not prevent someone from
doing this, like yes, people outside the program were shocked
that that's it. What do you mean it can see
what's in my desk? Yeah, yeah, that's the way and
they can't even believe it.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
So yes, So what do you do you make people?
You change their perspective by saying, oh, it didn't work.
You know, we just wasted money. You know, this is
all a pipe dream. There was no real information garnered
from it. And then of course that goes out into
the public and people start saying, oh, okay, well this
is not valuable. I'm not going to waste my time
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with it. You know, these guys did it for twenty years,
got no good results, and they shut it down. But
if you look at the results, you know, you find
out pretty quickly that that's not true. So let's go
back to your question. I digress. The question is running
the syop on people in regards to having them not
believe in.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
UAPs and so on and so forth.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
That has to do with control if people get If
you can't control the narrative, if you have people getting
information from somewhere else, the only time you can control
the narrative is if you can control the place that
people are getting information, what information those people are getting.
That's why I also think, you know, side games and
things like it is going to be really important because
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it is going to allow people to understand their own
sovereignty and their own ability to be able to say,
I am going to call Ron and have a conversation
with him without having to call Jane Doe and the
Army and get on the call with me and Ron. No,
I'm just going to reach out to him by myself
directly because I know I can do that, and then
we can have a conversation about these things. And I
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think that's a very big threat for people. And so
if I had to write this up, I'd say, Okay, well,
one of the ways we have to do this keep
people from doing that is recognizing their own ability to
be able to connect, being able to gain and understand
information about these non human intelligences or these UAPs.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
And that's where we are now.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You know, I think all of these programs like for example,
Stargate and some of these others that have studied SIGH
abilities over the years in our military, and I should
also say, like some of these UAP programs like a
TIP or asapp, you know, some of these others, I
think it makes rational sense to me that they would
shut these programs down and then when they get exposed,
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they can be like, oh yeah, we looked into that,
but there was nothing there, so we shut it down,
when in fact they are probably just reopened up under
a new name in some other department in a different location.
That makes logical sense to me. Do you think that's
what happens.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
That's perfect sense. And as a matter of fact, we
have presidents for that. So the idea is that with
the remote viewing program, we know every three to five
years they had to change their name. So that's why
we have so many different names. We have grill Flame,
we have Sunstreak, we have stargate, we have all these
different names. Every few years they had to change it
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just in case somebody started getting information and piecing together
what was going on. Then they switch it to something else.
So we already know that that kind of goes on.
We have an understanding of why that is. Another example
of this is Navy Seals and Delta Force. So I'm
here just outside of Fort Bragg. I was a special
operator here on Fort Bragg in siop We know about
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the Navy Seals, which actually is in Virginia. We know
about Delta Force, which is here. I have several friends
that went to the unit which is Delta Force, and
I remember this one friend, Mike, I'll just call him Mike.
He and I went through certain training together. He was
going Special Forces, I was going SIOP. He and I
went to sear School together, which was the Army's interrogation
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and pow camp school. They turn you how to deal with.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
All that stuff.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
We left and parted ways, and we end up bumping
back into each other and I was like, hey, man,
where'd you go? You know, you went to SF and
then all my friends said you were there for a
little while, but then you just disappeared. And we had
a little off off the line talk and he was like, yeah,
I went to the unit and I got selected then
and then I did really well at the Delta Force
and he was like you know. And then somebody else
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came and asked me if I wanted to be a
part of a group and I said what group? And
he was like, well, just a group and I said
what group was that? And he was like all I
can say, Hakem is that Delta is not the upper echelon.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
There are other groups.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
And they don't have names. And I was like, oh,
you're one of those groups. It was like you know,
and I was like okay, cool. So if you know
about it, probably there's ten layers beneath it that of
things that you don't know about, different groups, different people,
because that's how they hide these things. And what we're
finding out now today is that, you know, these clever folks,
because they knew that Congress could have, you know, could
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come in and like say demand stuff, they would set
up these fake corporations and work with corporations to kind
of develop these things. You know, these different organizations and
groups that we didn't have the reach as the government
to be able to reach in and say you have
to give us this information. And that's how they're hiding
a lot of these UAPs. NASA and Eric Davis came
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out and said that at a hearing recently, and so
you have this understanding that that's the way that they've
been hiding it all is all along.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It makes perfect sense that they would do that, and
I'm sure it goes on all the time, because it's
very rational to think that. I'm sure that all these
programs still exist to some degree on one level or
not in another form. You know, why would they stop
studying something like these PSI experiments if they've even only
had minor success when we know that Russia and China
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are doing it and having various degrees of success, why
would we want to fall behind on something like that?
You know, truthfully, it's pretty inexpensive. There's not a lot
of equipment in something like this.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
You know, yeah, super cheap.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's still going on.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
It's really cheap.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
I mean, you get a guy or a girl in
a pad and a sheet of paper and they can
tell you anything about anything anywhere.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
You know that nobody can stop. I mean, it's hard
to believe.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
It's like Star Wars, you know, it's incredible.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
The way they the best way to protect the remote
viewers was to make sure that their cover stayed intact
and that nobody knew they were remote viewers, because the
only way to stop a remote viewer, per my teacher
Paul Smith, and I've trained with many others, but he
says this all the time, the only way to stop
a remote viewer was to actually take out the remote
viewer because they had no other means of being able
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to stop them from gaining the information. And so many
people that believe Price was taken out, Yes, Pat Price, yep,
that's definitely yep.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
There's definitely a lot there because he was so good.
This is why, this is another reason why we have
the side games. We have no clue what is possible
when we really get together in a community and we
really start speaking a language of higher vibration, not fluff.
Not Everyone wants to claim that they have the answer
and it's all about light and love. I definitely believe
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it's about light and love, but I also don't think
that we need to separate ourselves into my group has
the answer, your group doesn't have the answer.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Right when we love perspective.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
That is not a light love perspective.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Even though people want to believe that let's get together
and let's not let people keep us, these organizations separate us,
and then we can start to really understand the truth,
the bigger picture about what's happening as we train to develop.
I think the true connection between non human intelligences UAPs
and us as human as the human species, we just
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have to evolve and grow into our true potential for
us to really be able to connect on that level.
It's about us coming together, loving each other, and helping
each other grow so that we can then move to
the next stage of our evolution, and I think that's
what our friends are trying to get us to understand.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Well, let us right, Okay, when we come back, we're
going to talk more with a chem about his thoughts
on Jake Barber's account and the entire Skywatcher program, as
well as this recent Wall Street Journal article that came out.
I want to get his insights on that. You're listening
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podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain
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Ron speaking to Hakeem Missler Haqum. Did you see that
big article I'm sure you did in the Wall Street
Journal recently that claimed so much of this UFO lore,
particularly like Area fifty one, was largely all fueled by
the US military and Pentagon disinformation efforts. You know, claimed
in the eighties that an Air Force colonel distributed these
fake flyers of a fake flying saucer and he put
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them in a bar near Area fifty one to get
people to get off the scent of the stealth fighter
and things. What do you think of all these claims?
Speaker 5 (22:52):
I think, yeah, definitely these guys the Wall in the
Wall Street Journal article where they basically said nothing to
see here, right, and we already.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Know they always say nothing.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, and again that's because you're you're just denied, deny, deny,
and eventually hopefully people believe, believe, believe. What does that
do to us as the population? It segregates us, It
separates us. Right now you have the believers and then
the non believers, the people who want that normalcy bias
and that confirmation bias to continue, they will grab onto
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those as anchors. And it's funny because that article just
seemed like it came out of nowhere, right. It wasn't
like like it was just like we're on our way
to disclosure, the government's behind it, everybody's talking about it,
blah blah blah, and bam, here's this article.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
It's but that seems like it's bien design, like they're
trying to push back because we're starting to get make
some progress.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And they're trying to exactly exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
So when you know, it's almost like I'm looking at
an argue. I'm looking at a debate from afar right
between these two folks and one saying yes, UFOs are
real and the others saying no, UFO aren't real because
I just feel that way. And the person who's saying yes,
they're starting to add all of this data and all
this research. Oh well this came out and we just
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did this research, and what about this thing and that thing,
And then that person looking from afar sees that the
person who's four UFOs actually is winning the debate. You know,
they're like, oh man, it's a lot of information. So
they just decide, oh, I'm going to come up and
I'm going to give a little bit of data for
the other guy.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
The problem with that article to me was reading it
from you know, I have a very unbiased look at this.
I really try to stay right dead center in the middle.
And to me, the problem with that article is I
believe everything that they're saying is true. Yes, they probably
misled people, but that doesn't mean two things can't be true. Yes,
they put out this information that these things are that
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to get people the stray, but that doesn't mean it's
not still happening. Commander David Fraverer and Pilot Ryan Graves
and other guys saying they see these unknown objects all
the time and all that's probably happening too. One does
not eliminate the others. My point, it's like, okay, yeah,
that's fine that you did that, but that does not
mean that none of this is true at all.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
Yes, exactly, And so this vagueness can also be there
as well, where you just say just enough that it
leaves people in one direction on their own, all right.
And one of the things we used to say when
I was in is that you don't force a person
to believe something. You give them just enough they will
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come up with the understanding you want them to come
up with on.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Their own, you know, because the.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Point and they're like, no, no, no I did this, he.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Didn't tell Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, So you give them just enough that they are
going to come up with that conclusion. And then once
they come up with that conclusion, they'll defend that conclusion
because it was their conclusion. Nobody gave that to them.
But really you did it all along. It was by design.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Absolutely. Now you know, you just recalled something to my
brain here that you know I heard you speak once
about this this spy let's call him that. That who
you talk to? Who he said that he was even
fooled by people that he trusted that ended up being
double agents because he was an expert on this and
couldn't be fooled, and he got fooled. So then he said,
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what about these non human intelligence experiences that people are
having and they say they're so peaceful, how do we
know they're not playing us either? Like Stephen Hawking said,
you know, be careful what you wish for. We shouldn't
be raising our hand because who knows who's going to
see us.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Yes, I'm with you, I'm middle of the road and
Syop has really taught me to be that. It's quite
often it's not either or it's both. There's something in
between there. And so do you have the camp that
says is all light and love, there's no negativity, because
in order to evolve to that level, they have to
be a certain way. Going to what you were talking about,
what you mentioned at the beginning of the segment about
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Jake Barber, he highlighted that one of the ways they
found to create some ionic assets, or people would become
psionic assets, is through fear and trauma and disassociation. But
we also know that love and compassion and you know,
is another way to it. And if you look at
that we have stories that tell us about that. We
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have the Star Wars. If you're creating a person who
has these abilities solely through fear and trauma, then that
kind of sounds like you're creating a set. If you're
and if you're creating a person through understanding their emotions,
embracing their emotions but working with them in a healthy way,
you're creating a Jedi. Even in that world, we see
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that dichotomy, that balance between the two, you know, like incredible.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
How how Star Wars does really kind of play into
a lot of these things, even like psyops even the
whole idea of there being this force or whatever we're
all interconnected, you know, like the synchronicity thing is because
we're all connected supposedly.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Yes, so you know, here's my question to you, which
I know you're questioning me, but here's my question to you.
Are there these three possibilities. One possibility is that I'm
pre I'm writing let's say, George Lucas, I'm writing Star Wars.
One possibility is I'm precognating the future, right, like I
actually see the story, the future story, and I'm writing
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it now. Another is that I'm connected with something on
some deep level, and I'm actually just it's just come
flowing out of me for whatever reason. And the third
possibility is is that something's influencing me to write the
story intention intentionally, Yeah, like musing me, because then if
you can muse me in the right direction and I
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put that out there, then we know that it inspires.
It can inspire people a lot of the stuff we
have now. I mean, you and I both know when
you were sitting at home watching Star Trek and they're
touching the screen. It's got a little thing and you're
just like, well, how cool would it be if I
could just touch the screen on the computers were just
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coming out to be a thing.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Back then, you know he had a watch where he
could FaceTime people, right, It's like, wow, imagine if that
were real?
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Well yeah, and so did that just that a person
never have that encounter watching Dick Tracy and they just decide,
I'm just going to make a thing called the Apple
Watch where you can like talk to people. Or was
that did that give somebody an idea to say, oh,
you know what, we can put a camera in a
watch and have people talk to people, And that be
because of that story so.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Or Haken, does it tie back into your original thing
about the four minute mile. What we thought was impossible,
he thinks is possible because he saw it, you know
what I mean, it's.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Yes, lays down that wall.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
And if our friends, if our NHI friends know this,
they could very well be you know, putting that into
musing that into people.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
That could be.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
It seems like you have this underlining belief that they're
almost guardian angels helping us. Like it just smells that
way when you talk about you again some of them.
I mean, it's possible, you know again, that could be
a false narrative and they could be in fact intentionally
wanting you to think that. Hey, I want to get
your thoughts on the Jake Barber James follower organization called Skywatcher.
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You know, they have made some incredible claims. Man, you know,
his interview with Ross originally kind of broke psionics that
word into the community again and it's become so hot
right now. But I like this idea that they claim
to be doing this in a scientific way, applying scientific
rigor to this with optics, infrared, radar, all these different
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ways to collect data on these aerial phenomenon. But they're
claiming that they have this dog whistle that may have
a very high rate of response with UAPs. What are
your thoughts about all this?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I think that that could be very possible.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
You know, I'm a practicing yogi and their frequencies and
vibrations that have been talked about in ancient times that
allow us to do certain things, you know, or allow
Yogi's in a past to be able to walk through
solid matter, see things in different places, commune, dicate with
entities that are on other planes of existence. But it's
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vibrational based and energy based, So I can understand that
if that's the case, it would make sense that we
can find a vibration or a frequency that would allow
us to reach out to these things. Now, if these
things are probes and they're designed to listen or feel
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for certain disturbances, whether it be nuclear disturbances or energetic
disturbances which also could be caused by nuclear stuff, and
then they come to that to see what's going on
in the field that that location because they need to
record it and send back the information. That makes a
lot of sense to me, not necessarily that the thing,
the person itself is coming but if we have probes
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out there, you know, and we hear certain things. I mean,
now we have certain sonar and things of that nature
that is always going on, and to see that if
we hear certain sound, it will draw the attention and
let us know, because that might be like a submarine,
an enemy submarine somewhere. And not that this thing is
looking at us for enemies, but it's just here surveying,
making sure that if something interesting happens, the higher beings
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or the beings controlling it know about it. And so
if this dog whistle per se is sending out that
type of frequency or vibration and these things, these unmanned
monitors can come around and say and look to see, well,
where's this freak?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
What's going on here? Is there a nuclear blast?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Is there?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
You know, some rift in the energy?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
An EI system is probably unmanned and it's probably responding,
which would make logical sense. We need to take a
break here, buddy. We'll we write back when we come back.
We're going to talk with Hakeem about some of his
personal experiences. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are
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back on beyond contact. We're speaking with Hakeem about psionics
and its ties to the UFO world. There does seem
to be some sort of conscious connection between our consciousness
and other realms or intelligences somehow, like an overlap of
a lot of these different disciplines, like people that talk
to people have passed on, people who have had a
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contact the experience, people who have said they have an
experience here on earth, like with a gin or a
ghost or some other entity. Do you think our human
consciousness is being influenced by Nhi in some way.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
That's a great question, and I think so. So I
have a theory, and I've talked about this with you
and other people. I explain consciousness. I say, let's think
of it as the ocean. So consciousness is the ocean,
and then we are humans on land. But we have
various ways that we can integrate or interface with the ocean.
Some people get in a boat and they go out
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there and they go fishing, or they just hang out.
Some people go surfing. Some people on a boogie board.
Some people are on a paddle board. Some people are
on a jet ski. So all of those different modes
of interfacing with the ocean would be like the jet
ski is like remote viewing, and the paddle board is like,
you know, precognition, and so we all have these different ways,
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and then there are really deep ways to get integrated
with the ocean, Like you could be a deep sea diver.
If you go deep sea diving, your experience is going
to be dramatically different than somebody who is on the
surface just on a paddle board. Right, you're going to
bump into a whale or you know, a seal down there,
are you going to see some starfish and you know,
And so the deeper you go, the more likely you
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are to have these different encounters with the things that
are underneath the surface of the ocean, which in this
example is consciousness. So the deeper you go into consciousness,
the more you're likely to have these deeper experiences with
non human intelligences or spirits that have passed from this
plane to the next plane, you know, which in the
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ocean example, may just be another diver underneath the water,
you know, and you're like, oh, crap, I didn't know
you were down here, you know, and white form down there,
Sure there are another life form down there. So you know,
we have all these different ways, and I mean we
still haven't conscious just like the ocean, we haven't really
scratched a surface on consciousness yet neither. You know, we've
only discovered like a couple percent of the ocean, like
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five or ten or less, percent, you know, And it's
the same thing with consciousness. We're just on the frontiers
of that. When people come back with these experiences like
we find new species in the ocean, and where we're like,
whoa this thing is? Like down here, there's a snell
I read about recently that moves on the rim of
an underwater volcano that has somehow evolved to make its
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shell pure iron. I'm not sure if you know about
that snell. It has an iron like iron as in
the metal right, iron shell, and that allows it to
not only survive to this volcano, but also survived the
pressure of underwater and all that stuff. A multitude of things.
So when these scientists and stuff are saying what we
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can't and can't and what can't be possible, and we're discovering,
literally discovering things that we didn't know.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Every year, see.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Something like that example, right there is something that none
of us would believe is true, and yet it turns
out it is true. Yes, just like what you're talking
about with consciousness and sigh abilities, maybe these things are
in fact true. We just need to give it a
little more time and a little more research. Yes, you know,
for me, the Dehlia and Lido demonstration was really incredible
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and has stayed with me. What is the strongest evidence
that you have personally witnessed of a sigh ability that
blew your mind.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I've had so many experiences.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
Also, I'd say it was my first time really seeing
Paul Smith do a remote viewing. You know, he had
warned us, he said, hey, it's not one hundred percent,
so just be warned. And you know, it was during
one of our classes, and he hit it so on
the nose. I was just like, whoa, this is what's possible.
It gave me a little anxiety because I'm like, I'll
never be that good, you know, you know, And then
(37:09):
when I had my first really good remote viewing really
blew me away. I try to stay objective of my
subjective experiences, which again is part of my training, and
I had an outerbody experience at the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
As you know, as you may know.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I'm an advisory board member there, but I have my experience.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
Is there anything that you are not that would be quicker?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
I'm not a bad guy. There's so many thoughts.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
So I had an encounter with something that told me
some very specific stuff about myself and in my future
self that has now several of them have come to pass,
and I was like, did I precognate that or was
there something else? And it became validated over the next
several weeks and it really blew me away.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Those are the two things.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Those are the three things that I found that were
really life changing for me. I did witness UAPs with
Chris Bledsoe in his backyard when we first became really
good friends and I became friends of his family. I
went over there a couple of times, and the first
one was way up in the sky and I was
trying to stay objective, but one of them was right there.
(38:23):
There was no way for it to be faked, or
it would have to be something extraordinary for it to
be fake, definitely like top class, you know, wizitry. For
that thing to not be what it was showing itself
to be to me at that particular time, so leaving
the door opened at maybe, but ultimately I didn't believe that.
I believed that it was something real, And so those
(38:45):
would be my experiences the one time with Paul, my
first really good remote viewing, my out of body experience
at the Monroe, and then this experience with the UAP
that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
What do you think it's going to take for the
rest of the world to come on board that there
is in fact something to all of this SI ability.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
I think that's where we come in with the side games.
I think we don't need more research papers. The average
person in the world is not who's not excited or
doesn't really know about SI is not going to pick
up your scientific research paper and read it. There's such
heavy distrust with science anyway, that even if you came
out with twenty more papers and everybody came on board
(39:25):
and say yes, then there would be a massive amount
of the population that still would just be like, oh,
that's all harkwa washed scientists are no good anymore.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
After COVID doesn't announced that we have alien beings right now,
I don't think many people would believe it. I only think, yes,
it's incredible how the world is now.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Yes, yes, it's like that show and that movie. Don't
look or look up?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
What was it?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Don't look up?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Where you know you had this politician, these these all
this political battle and it was a comment coming to
destroy the planet. And they didn't want you to know
that the comment was coming because they wanted to avoid
like this mass you know, hysteria.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
And so the.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Scientists was like, look, it's coming, it's coming, and then
the politicians just like, don't believe those crazies. It's not real.
Don't don't even look up at this guy because at
a certain point you could see the comet, but they
were just like, that's the that's a trick, you know,
don't even look up. And so the whole thing was
the normal lay people were like on going on there
(40:21):
their social media like don't look up, don't look.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know that the headline that you know, we had
these horrible floods in Texas. Kids are dying, eighty two
are dead so far. It's a horrible thing. And she
said that, you know, the whole thing spake weather manipulation,
that they've killed people. I mean, it's it's remarkable how
the world is today.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
So going back to your question, I think that what
it's really going to take is to make it personal
for people. It has to be integrated in people's household
because I'm more likely to believe my wife or my
best friend than i am some scientists that I have
no connection to or some politician.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
So the more people we.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Can have that say that this is real and then
can demonstrate it and the different communities, the more likely
people are gonna accept it.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
That's one.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Regardless of what your feelings were about COVID, when someone
that you were close to died of it, it changed
your perspective. You know, when when you were isolated and
you were just going off information, it was really easy
to have that debate and be really strong and hard like,
oh it's nothing happening or whatever, this all conspiracy. But
if you had somebody close to you pass on very often,
(41:33):
you probably flip your perspective or at least had more
compassion when somebody said that they were feeling a certain
way about it. So I think in this particular instance,
the way we get people to really understand it is
we have to make it accessible to the average person,
which is what we're trying to do with the side games,
where people can actually come and see what's happening, and
they can see these normal people being able to do it.
(41:54):
They can then experience it through some of the fun
interactive things that we're going to do with the people there.
And then they have mentors. They have people who have
been doing and researching this for thirty forty fifty years,
scientists and all different types of people from different walks
of life that are there to be able to give
you guidance and then you can learn, you can lean
(42:15):
into their background a little, you know, versus some random
scary person that comes out of the shadows and says, hey, Ron,
I'll take you and teach you this psychic ability.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
And then we never see Ron again.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
You know. I think it's a really great idea, man,
and I really really wish you all the best of
luck with the event. I think it's a great idea.
I think it's something that we need out there. Hey,
I appreciate you taking the time to come on here today, man,
Thanks again, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Guys. You can find Hakeem at this at his event
the PSI Games International dot Com that's coming up on
August first. I will be there in person. Until then,
you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CITD
underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking our contact in
the Desert dot com. Stay open minded and rationals. We
explore the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio and Coast
(43:03):
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
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