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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week are Beyond Intact.
We'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we are speaking with doctors JJ and desire Hertech Thirdtachs
are social scientists, futurists, authors and co founders of the
Academy for Future Science, and international organization dedicated to exploring
the interface of science, spirituality, and human potential. Their public
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presentations on the UFO phenomenon go back to nineteen seventy seven. Together,
they are widely recognized for their commitment to bridging scientific
research and spiritual insight, encouraging a vision for humanity that
is prepared for higher states of consciousness and a deeper
planetary stewardship. They have lectured all over the world, including
contact in the desert many many times, always emphasizing the
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need to reconcile science and spirituality. As proof, they're all
over the world, they're coming to was live today from Switzerland.
Thank you guys so much for taking the time during
your trip to talk with us.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Great it's always good to be in touch with someone
who's pushing the envelope like you.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
We're trying. Are you guys going to get a chance
to see Van Danigan while you're in Switzerland.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Actually we're close enough to him and his organization to
say that the Mystery part that he put together years
ago is now going into custodianship with some of our colleagues,
so we may have a chance to bring together futurism
and some new aspects of uthology as a real science.
You know, for many decades, scientific critics says there is
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not enough of a database to say that euthology has
a future. But now we know the government hearings and
you know this better than anybody else in Washington, that
we have a terrific database being put together after the
disclosure is a few years back, and so we're at
the lip of some major changes for the better.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I hope, I hope so too. You know, you guys
have been looking at this about as long as anyone,
and it seems that today, you know, the UFO topics
really embraced the consciousness idea, that aspect of this phenomenon.
But you guys have been on that board going back
this nineteen seventy seven, right.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Correct, Dezrae and I had the privilege of editing some
of the more should we say, far out material that
the government think tanks have been involved with for more
than fifty years.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Right. So one of our we have a whole cosmology
is what we really represent. And in a certain sense,
you know, we always have learned that we grew from
the earth and the amiba and then the fish and
then there was us. Right, But then that doesn't work
with extraterrestrials because you know, you're seeing beings not just
reptilians and exsectoids and grays, but you're actually seeing Nordics
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as they were now called by certain government people. And
those Nordics look just like us. I mean, some of
them can be tall well, others can have elongated skulls,
which we see in the ancient Egyp because we've done
a lot of work in Egypt in our past. So
in a certain sense, it's showing us that we probably
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also came from outer space, or at least the codes
that made us who we are were not limited to
Mother Earth.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now you know you said out of space there, But
don't you guys also think that there's a multi dimensional reality.
How does that whole thing work? Are there levels to this?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Yes, we often say we believe there's three types of intelligence, extraterrestrial,
of which in a certain sense you could qualify us
as being terrestrial extraterrestrial.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I wish there's more than seventy civilizations in the physical form.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
And then there's extra celestials, which are really just different beings.
There are beings that aren't in a physical form like
we are.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
And then what we've taken quest to mention and what.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
We call also altra terrestrial, So we actually think there's
different levels of intelligence.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And the alter trusts would be called avatars or a
master teacher that have appeared throughout human history, both in
the Orient as well as in the West, claiming to
have knowledge of cosmic events.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Now, with that said, we also feel that extraterrestrials are
not limited to our third and fourth dimension. Many of
them seem to be operating the fifth dimension, because that's
how they can sometimes in an abduction cases, and I
do believe that those are real. They actually come into
your bedroom, take you through a wall, so you can't
be going in your third slash fourth dimension, and sometimes
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instead of bringing you back to your bedroom, they leave
you outside or down the street.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
So this happened to a good friend of ours who
was one of the top administrators with fair Child Industry.
Fair Child industry back on the sixties and seventies where
it was the mother load of scientific advances in aerospace,
and this friend told the story of how an alien
came through her bedroom wall, relate information to a telepathic
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and then exited again through the bedroom wall. Well, this
case study was never taken seriously, and we're not for
the prestigious position of my friend at Fairchild. We've probably
been lost in the dustbin of history, but this was
really a starting point for Desrie and I both academics
but also aware there was more to the story.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
And if I can just add actually so that takes
us back to who we are and oftentimes at contact
in the desert. We've talked about remote viewing. Now we've
done a book with an old friend of ours who
is a major PhD from University California, Berkeley, and she
also worked with Russell targan hal Pudolf, and she said
that we ourselves have the capacity in our brains to
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function eight dimensional space, so she would call remote viewing
functioning in that eight dimensional space because oftentimes, like ets,
we can see things in the past and we can
also know things in precognition about the future. So that
means we're not limited so much as much as we
think I think we are, at least in our three
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and fourth dimensional reality.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
When we see these UFO craft, do you think that
those are the ones from our dimension like you were
talking about that there's terrestrials and extraterrestrials, or do you
think it's possible that they're using these to go that's
how they travel interdimensionally.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Well, we think most extraterrestrials are probably at least working
in the fifth dimension, which is able to cross our boundaries.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Beyond the laws of thermodynamics.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah, I mean people have talked about the fact of
being able to use wormholes to travel, or the Alcubre
engine where you move space and time behind you, and
some of the reports, especially from that first hearing, Ryan
Graves talked about a steer and a cube. Now that
speer could very well be a bubble which allows all
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kind of space and time to go around it. That's
why they can travel faster than our physical bodies or
their physical bodies can handle it, because I don't believe
the spacecraft inside, the beings inside the spacecraft are actually
feeling the g forces you know that we win in
our normal airplane or even our rocket. So they're using
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various technologies. Now when you say them, you know, actually
we do support the work of the extraterrestrial Species Almanac book.
Doctor Hertex mentioned regarding the area of tourists and they
claim that there's eighty species. So really there's such an
agenda between those that are trying to help us and
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those that really, you know, want one.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Most of the insiders soever in the government think that
there's only basically twelve and the hypothetical suggestions by some
of the new age writers is to attract fame and
fortune rather than look at the facts of what we
have in the government, think tanks. I'm saying that long
before doctor Jail and Heinich arrived down the scene from
Harvard University in Northwestern University, the government had species going
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back in the early four that they had kept we
see on coal ice in a variety of military locations
from New York to Florida to Ohio. But the story
gets a boost with the events that you and others
know about in nineteen forty seven with the Roswell story.
But long before the Roswell story, there was another story
completely overlooked, and that's the story of the indigenous elders
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that I missed, the Hopies, the Navajos, the Zunis, along
with those in South America who claim that this is
just a normal event. Star Nation. People have a right
and privilege to come and visit us and share with
us their wisdom and their knowledge.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's very interesting to me why do you think that
they're coming here? Do you have an answer to that?
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Well, of course the major will say, wave of what
we've been seeing really did start when the Trinity Site
took place, the nuclear obvious weapons, and we've seen them,
we personally, but you know, like Robert sala at Malstrom
Air Force Base, we also think dent waters reveal the
fact they were able to neutralize neutralize nuclear missiles all
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the way down in the ground in their silos, So
in actuality, that is a major reason why many are coming.
On the other side, there is a friend, Virgil Armstrong,
who said they need us, We don't need them. So
there's the other ones that actually do want some of
our enzymes. Why do you have cattle mutilations? I mean,
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are they just enjoying the meat or is there something
that they really need? And that's a whole another topic
hopefully we can continue with.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
And then the third quickly would be mother Earth is crying.
The environmental situation, according to the indigenous elders bespeaks of
the horrendous changes that are upon Mother Earth. If we
don't make changes quickly, the industrial North will suffer a
major consequences setback, and maybe at that time, the Star
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Nation people will be able to provide a new roadmap.
This is what we're all about, looking at all of
the perspective from a universal standpoint.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Agreed, And I definitely think there's an environmental issue here.
We hear that oftentimes from contact these When we come back,
we're going to talk to the hertechs more about ets
in their connection to Earth's past in various ancient texts
and megalists. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
on Coast to Coast AM Aaronormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact and we are speaking with doctors
JJ and desire Herttach. Do you guys think that some
of these ancient civilizations, like the Mayan civilization Egyptian were
actually interacting with some of these beings.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Most definitely having had the opportunity and background in archaeology
and geology and also what is called remote sensing the
use of ground penetrating radar, we were able to penetrate
back in the nineties about one hundred and thirty feet
beneath the Great Termbid of these egypt To say the least,
we were able to look clearly at the fact that
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they were what I will call geometric designs underground that
was so perfectly forged. It would indicate some type of
industrial technology had to be used.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Right. We have a book called Giza's Industrial Complex, co
authored with our friend James Brown who's a contractor, and
he and us separately have many times gone to Egypt
and you could see that the technology is unique. In fact,
the book talks about the fact that we feel that
they had had hydrogen energy technology to do a lot
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of the materials. Now, we never said in the book
that that's how they built the pyramid, but just that
they use that and you can create hydrogen gas and
you can use it for agriculture, and you can use
it for light bulbs, which Eric von Donkin has shown,
and you could also use it for health. I mean
people are drinking hydrogen water today, right, I mean just
even for that. But with that said, now, some of
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the modern theorists that are coming out right now and
saying water was you used to even build the pyramid.
We didn't go that far, but that's one of the
most popular areas. Doctor Hirtak also said from his own
unique remote viewing experience that the star shafts are what
we would call the air shafts in the King's chamber
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of the Great Pyramid pointed to Orion. He was said
that in the seventies.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
The three stars in the beld of Orion a distance
of some one three hundred and eighty light years away
from this planet, through a portal going through over sixty
five meters of stone, So that accuracy to pinpoint distant constellations,
plus the fact that there are many layers underneath Giza
there stacked with artifacts, would suggest the Giza Pyramid was
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an archaeological archive of some sort where things were stored
from all cultures prior to the Dynastic Egyptian period. But
we were fortunate to find the tumlov O Cyrus by
the use of acoustical physics, and although our discovery was
taken over the Egyptian authorities who did not want the
Americans to claim that they found the jim of O Cyrus,
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it's only being recognized now by independent experts that we
were there and had the good fortune when the Nile
River was at a much lower level to find the
actual spot with the lid of the chimov Cyrus. Osiris
represents music to the ancient Egyptian tradition, so we use
music vibrations to find the music called treasury.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Right, and so the tim of Osirus is one hundred
feet down pretty much in the center of the Guise
plateau between the Coffee Pyramid and the Sphinx, with a
little bit off towards the causeway in alignment with the
Great Pyramid. So again being able to go one hundred
feet down, it didn't look like they you know, maybe
we're claiming they didn't use it for burial of a person,
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but they probably used it for maybe burial of gases
or certain types of technology. That's our argument. Now in
addition to that, going back to the Great Pyramid, what's
unique think about it is if the King's chamber starshaft
or airshaft points to Orion, if you go down to
the Queen's chamber, it points to Sirious. And if you
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line Sirious with Ryan, the belt of Orion especially, you'll
go up to the Pliads. So these are three major
star systems.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
The star map is there in the engineering of the
different megalithics.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
These are places that people have talked about now regarding extraterrestrials.
Right somewhere coming from the Plaines, very popular place. Others
have connected with Sirius, even the connection with the Dogon
tribe in Africa, where they had more knowledge about the
stars than they could have physically seen.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
So Egypt is a mirror of the heavens. Egypt is
a mirror of what we will call portals of ascension
with the ancients in Egypt and the Mayans. Of course,
building as we are now discovering for national geographic cities
under the Earth would withstand the environmental changes of the sun.
So on both sides of the Atlantic we have sterling
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example of civilizations, or at least societies that were in
touch with cosmicandog.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
So when doctor Urtech said both sides in Atlantic, he's
also talking about especially Mexico, and of course we've also
done work in Peru and Easter Island, but just to
say in this short time, Mexico is amazing. He has
a book called The Keys of Enoch. I know we'll
talk about it. And there's a grid pattern there that
links like Chitsanitza to Guatemala to a third place off
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into the western part of Mexico. And there was a
fifteen year old kid in Canada who went to the
Canadian Space Agency probably never saw our book or anything
like that. He drew a very similar graph and he
pointed out from the help of the Canadian Space Program
and say it was Gottary that literally a lot of
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the pyramids in the Yucatan are aligned to star points,
and especially Ryan being one of them. And he confirmed it.
It was just something he kind of came up with
and he showed and it confirmed. So yes, I mean,
they at least nothing else they were looking at that,
and then I think you've seen it, Captain Ron. The
Jalisco I call them the Hallisco stones. These are these
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amazing stones that look like they have UFOs on the
alien beings with large eyes. And yes, some of them
it's like crop circles. Some of them are direct from
the heavens, so to speak, and some of them are
become man made. So it always becomes a complicated mess
because you know, when you can sell something for one
hundred bucks. I mean, people are sorry, we're seeing.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The genius universal intelligence.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Well we are. Yeah, we truly believe some of those
Jalisco stones, especially some of the original ones, are originals
and were replicas of what the early Latins or Mexicans saw.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Do you think that that was given, like, did aliens
communicate with humans in order to build these things in
that such an alignment?
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Probably, I mean they also have the wisdom from Casiquadal.
No one really knows who built Tia Tiwakon, which are
the three main pyramids near Mexico City. Of course they
claim that there's two pyramids and a temple, but if
you look at that temple, it's another pyramid. So it's
really very, very similar to what you find in Egypt.
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And some lady named Linda Shelley, she also compared the
cosmology of Egypt to the cosmology of Mexico and the
whole idea that Orion was considered almost a father figure
for both cultures, especially for the Mesoamerican.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
So to answer your question, we have a good anthropological
footprint on every continent showing that our ancestors were in
touch and they duplicated as best they could with structures
that were mirroring what they believed to be the star
origin points.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That study where they looked underground and saw other structures
beneath the Great Pyramid. Did you guys take a look
at that study and what did you think of it.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
You know, of the work of Filipo to me Bonini
if I can say his name right. But yes, they're
going a little deeper than we would consider being valid. Again,
we went down one hundred feet, which is thirty meters
for your foreign audience. And you know there's no doubt.
I mean, there was square corners in that last room
under the tomb of a cyrus shaft as people are
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now calling it, and we do believe there's more under
the ground. But they were going almost like a mile
down right. To be honest, if they found something there,
it would only benefit our book and our philosophy. But
I think they'll never be able to.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
In our book Gizus Industrial Complex, we show a model
of what they're describing down the mile plus, which is
what we call an earth's bad rate. The Egyptians have
the ability to use water and what they call tulluric currents,
which are energies closer to the surface of the earth,
and build structures that would be able to combine the
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hydraulic propulsions as well as the tuller energy feel in
such a way that they could a light of battery.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah, and actually, as you go over to al Fayoun,
which is like only several hours south of Giza. There's
a lake called Lake Morris, which historically in terms of Heroduus,
supposedly had a humongous pyramid in there that as high
as it was, it went also into the water. And
if you go to the Al Fayoune Pyramid, which is
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on this Saint Joseph, Joseph's Canal as they call it,
there's the labyrinth, the famous Labyrinth. And if you look
at the labyrinth, what they claim this is from ancient
writings that there were three thousand rooms and so many floors.
I mean it could only have been like a battery
type of see.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Meat of the room represents the energy cell. Yeah, so
was basically parallel energy cells in duplication or triplication. And
this will be an exhibit when they reorganize Mystery Park
next year. It's called the Jungfraud Park at Interlock in Switzerland.
So those of you are hearing this program, if you
come to Europe, will beyond the building and you'll actually
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see the films going underneath Egypt actually scoring specifically structures
that should be there, but are there. The critics of
the paper published by the two Italian remote sensient experts
would simply say, if this is for real, it's not
for humans, but for non human intelligence that has the
ability to go deep underneath the structure of the Earth.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Yeah, we still if they had said one hundred feet
or two hundred and three hundred feet, we probably would
have been more in favor of it. But you know,
it's going to take a long time for anyone to
prove them really wrong, because nothing really none the less open.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Because we're futurists, we believe that there are no problems,
only solutions. Fantastic work.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Okay, let's take a quick break there, guys. We're going
to come back and ask the hurt talks about more
of these ancient texts and how they may be referencing ets,
and we are going to ask them about jj seminal work,
the Book of Knowledge and the Keys of Enoch. You're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal the podcast network. You're back on Beyond
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Contact talking to JJ and Desiree Hertech. Your work often
links these ancient texts to the UFO phenomenon, namely in
your Book of Knowledge and the Keys of Enoch. How
does that tie to non human intelligences.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
In many ways without saying something that will shock the audience.
I was at a situation in my life as a
young scholar, not being able to explain the existence of
Avatar's or higher celestial beings as recorded in ancient documents
both Oriental as well as now Eastern to my students,
and so I went into a variety of meditation modalities,
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and having a background in music, I began to use
music harmonics with various mantras, both ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, Aramaic
with sanskritin the Oriental languages. And it was a combination
of languages with what I will call a certain vibratory
technique that I had developed that open the morphogenic field
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briefly in one of my meditations where I was literally
taken into another dimension in this brief experience of different dimensions,
where I experienced non human intelligence that were different from
us in terms of its space for more of the
insectoid types and didn't even like to hire cell beings
beautiful beings. And in that larger context, I realized that
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this planet was a schoolhouse or testing of different levels
of energy intermixed with different biological experiments, and we as
the humanity had the opportunity to take a great leap
forward or quantum change if we would surrender ourselves to
realize that we have ignored this body of incarnation, why
it has its breeding apparatus, why it has it seven
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chakra systems, or we will call a musical ingenuity that
could be used to energize the left and right hemisphere
of the brain, the analytical left and the metaphysical musical right.
And so the keys of Enoch really bring together what
is called the keys, the musical keys of how we
can energize ourselves in a short period of time, breathing
techniques to musical techniques to make contact with the higher
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ultratrustrial realm.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
So one of the things he made popular with his
book was the term merkaba. And do we consider the
merkava not necessarily the extraterrestrial spacecraft that can go from
you know, point A to point B in our galaxy
or even you know, across the universe with.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
The paraphysical energy vehicle.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
That can take you into other dimensional realities. So if
you're here in the third or fourth dimension, and the
third being the square box. We live in the fourth
being time. Then you can go into the even the
tenth or eleventh dimension, which string theory is talking about,
because there are these different dimensional realities. Seeing ourselves as
part of those who also are on other planets, like
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we do feel that the Pleiades is a major place
where our kind of our kind are from, there's other
planets that have other types of life intelligence. We worked
for a while with a woman named Elizabeth Klaar in
South Africa and she was literally she claims, and I
believe her taken to proximate Sentaori, which happens to be
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the nearest star sism. This happened to her in the fifties
because they said they had lived on Venus, Earth and Mars.
They're species, and that Venus got too much with the
solar flares, so they had to leave, and they left
behind species on Earth and Mars, and it was good
to reconnect with them, which is what she was doing.
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And also there's something about the genetic code that we
have that also is looked at as a positive for
some of these other intelligences. It may be the fact
that the Grays, for instance, maybe and others are cloning
themselves too much, and so therefore the genetics needs updating
and enzymes. We were good friends with Dan Bursch, who
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I know has kind of come out of closet once again,
which you're fifty one. Yeah, he worked at Area fifty
one and the alien intelligence that he communicated with said
he had neuropathy. This alien intelligence has neuropathy, and they
wanted us Danvers, being a microbiologist, to figure out how
to fix it, because we are a much more healthy
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species at this time.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Even though there's so much information ron there's so much
that we need electronic university at university without walls, which
you're trying to build maybe with your help, also where
we can reach those who think critically but lovingly with
the heart and the mind together, because what happens is
science traditionally and the intellectual history gets involved with military parades,
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and that's the end of the Empires. We are at
stage of the space program can go ahead if we
don't have weapons of mass destruction in other space and
work with those who are favorably attuned to what I
will call a humanistic charter of nations. So in the
Keys of Enoch of our book, we also explain pyramids
on Mars. We were the first scientist to release in
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the nineteen seventies the actual pictures as a result of
my work behind the scenes in remote viewing to actually
look and find specific areas of interest. The question was
are these natural or non natural landforms? Carl Sagan didn't
want to say too much at the.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Time, but he was amazed by that. That's the one
thing that were stunned.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Up frivilege as a consultant and also working in paraphysics
to get the green light to publish this so ours
as the real to we say, first attempt to show
that at one time Mars and civilizations on Mars, indeed
many were in contact with the indigenous populations and hantcy
mythology and folklore of Mars as a planet of war
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because the Martians, if I may use that term, destroy
their environment where we're not really kind to the use
of science. Then another book I wrote called The Face
on Mars, or in the Spanish as Spinky and Marty
The Sphinx on Mars. I go into details of how
we were able to probe and find fascinating artifacts that
it yet to come out officially by government reports. But
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I think this will happen next year. I hope that
Mars will be seen as a replica of a mush
earlier civilization.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
So the Keys of Enoch and our work in cosmology
literally shows that, or says at least, that we exist
throughout the universe. There are other species that also exist
throughout the universe. Many have their own agenda, but we
do feel, I want to emphasize, is that some are
really here to help us. You know, there's been recently
a UFO seen around the volcano near Mexico City, actually
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Publa called Popocatech Pecle, and we believe that they are
trying to neutralize that volcano going off. You know, there's
a lot of solar flares, and we believe the solar
flares are actually not only affecting us. There's a recent
report that actually affects hearts of humanity, especially women's hearts.
But with that said, also the brain waves are shifted
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a little bit. But basically it also heats up the
outer core and the inner man, and so to escape
that heat it goes through volcanoes, and we're not volcanoes earthquakes,
And I believe that some of the UFOs that are
seen off the coast of southern California, especially down by
San Diego, are also trying to neutralize.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Them visual monitoring devices that are like wall thermostats. If
this is an experiment, those who put us together need
all does from the divine spark also put a we'll
call chrono monitors or time measuring devices. And it appears
that some of these sacred areas, including volcanoes as well
as large pyramidive objects, seem to be measuring lines of
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how civilization is measured to a point, and when we
diverge or misuse our knowledge based then intelligence intervenes or
manifest and unique ways. We're at this critical point now,
and I hope our listeners understand. We have got a
wealth of material to push the envelope a positive thinking forward,
but we need to be positive rather than be back
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in the back seat of negative thinking.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, you talk about how to go up this scale level, Yeah,
to go up that ladder that we need to be
in a positive space, vibrational consciousness or something right.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
It's right, like they're taking the keyboard up into an octave.
Arnold Sheinberg, the composer usually termed twelve tone roll. It
appears that if we can use the collective musical keyboard
and all of this basic rhythms to enliven ourselves, to
give us positive thinking, positive sociology. With a whole new
threshold of working with not one, but many of the
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engineers and thinkers from other worlds, we will make it
through this quagmire of history which we're embedded with old concepts,
old paradigms, old shall we say, approaches that go back
to Roman times. It's military excursions may be beautiful for
historic poets, but it certainly do not work in the
Martin m absolutely not. This is the importance of your
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program to stimulate young minds to see about the role.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Let us pray that is the goal. When we come back,
we're going to ask the Herd Talks about their thoughts
on right now, what's happening and what our government knows
and if they possibly have et craft technology. If you're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, we're back on Beyond Contact
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talking to the Hurt Talks here. Do you guys think
that our government has recovered et craft?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Well, I think everyone who's followed the three hearings that
we've now had in twenty twenty three, twenty four, and
twenty five. All do believe that there is a legacy
retrieval program, which means there are craft. Even someone like
gurriy Gueller, who is an old time friend of ours.
You know, he talks about his where he actually was
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going underground and seeing the bodies and he actually touched
the metal. And this is going way back to von
Braun when he connected with Ron Braun.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
But you know, you hear that the mid seventies.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Yeah, in the mid seventies, but when you start hearing
other things the bodies, yes, most likely if you even
follow anything going on at Roswell. I think even Louel
Azando even said that there were two craft that crashed
at Roswell as far as he knew, and one was
able to get away, but one remained there. And then
you have someone like Edgar Mitchell who grew up at Roswell.
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He didn't see a UFL, but when he got back
from outer space and he was in Roswell and they
started saying, hey, you know we saw the bodies. There
were bodies here, So I mean, there's no doubt that
that is. But it's much much larger.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I was close to astronaut Gordon Cooper who saw extra
tressless ships over East Germany in nineteen fifty one. They
didn't lock him up, they made him an astronaut. His
book Leap of Faith, he goes into a deep detail
about his experience has actually seen the landing one of
the spaceships at Edwards. So I know from the inner
team of astronauts and ex government people that we've been
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connected with in other parts of the world, that other
countries have also got their put on treasury of space
metal of bits and pieces. In fact, I brought one
back from Brazil back in the seventies analyzed it a lab,
showing a molecular structure that could not be made by
any lab on this planet. We know that the bits
and pieces that the government has questioned over some eighty
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years would show that we've got not one, but several
storehouses of very unique artifacts. The question is how to
make them run, and that's into the subject of mind
over matter. Is there a thought technology that is more
important than just the physical nets and bolts. Obviously yes,
because the government's had all these we say crash retrieval units,
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but very few of them work specialists in other countries
the same story. The government has secured this and pieces
of crash UFOs, such as in Brazil and Mexico. But
there's more to the story, and that's who's behind the technology.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
But I do want to say with extraterrestrials, it does
seem a lot of it is consciousness based. And we
applaud a representative of Anna, Paulina Luna that she realizes this.
She says, you know, is there a mind body connection?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
As well as Eric Girlson from Missouri.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
But in terms of you know, people have talked about
putting their hands on the vehicle and that literally activates
it because it's a consciousness linkage. I don't I think
we don't understand consciousness enough that these vehicles, like the
Barber incident, is a connection of consciousness basically. So even
if it's a physical vehicle, looks physical, feels physical, there's
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a consciousness that's been put into or embedded into this.
You know, Whitley Strieber is trying to talk about this.
I don't know if you've had him on your program.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Absolutely yes, you hear about that, absolutely.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Yeah, And he says the gray, the gray alien that
he's in touch with, who's a woman. They make gray
aliens and then she projects her mind into those gray
aliens to go into other locations. That's a typical situation.
We can actually do that too. And I think what
we're growing into and what we say is the time
of graduations, we realize our own potential, which is much
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greater than just living on this planet. We have that
potential remote viewing as part of that, but other aspects
as well. So it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
The avatar idea, right, JJ right, The avatar within us
is capable of being activated. A book that we've written
called The over Self Awakening takes the reader pictographically and
illustration wise through a variety of colored geometries. At the
end of the seventy second chapter, one is able to
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work with a higher mind of resonance and actually feel
the steering mechanism over the body that we take forget
it as the end product. This body that we call
the human is a subset of a vibratory body, an
epicinetic body that is able to work and vibrate on
many levels. And this was the conclusion of studies done
at the stand For Research Institute nineteen seventies and eighties
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that we were multi dimensional beings. We were local beings
but also non local beings capable through the power of
the mind, to operate and visit other dimensions. So this
is the new step in interdimensional physics. That's so important.
But I want to assure the readers it's not just
mathematical formulas. It's the music and the heartbeat of the
vibration of sacred montrums or vibrations of music that gives
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life and meaning, higher purpose.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
And that's what's a representative Anna Paulina Uno. The best
part of the twenty twenty four November twenty twenty four
hearing was her questions because she said, is this a
multidimensional reality that they're functioning in? And the answer is yes.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
So what's going to happen? It's not some much disclosure,
it's post disclosure. To see we've got byte shining vehicles
sitting on the White House lawn or sitting at the
University of Berkeleys for that matter, of Times Square, New
York is a secondary story. If the question is what
do we do with ourselves with these advanced technologies that
we don't have in the advanced consciousness to operate telepathically
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what we will call through a new science or future
science guided by consciousness. We're still in the same fox hole.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Is that why all the countries keep this so secret?
Because they can't look.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
For two reasons why they don't have the what I
will call the spiritual psychological maturity. And I'm using spiritual
slash psychology a little differently than most would interpret to
mean using a unified buying and focus with the possibility
that you have to have the willingness to go into
an investd evolutionary process. So if you're willing and have
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hope in the future, you go into the future. If
you deny the future afraid of it, you stay in
the past, trapped into negativity. In dimensional three, the.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Men well thoughts, Dan Freeman said, we act like we're
a bunch of apes whose favorite pastime is tribal warfare.
Why would they want us up there? I also want
to say, though, before we close the three reasons why
I think disclosure has not taken place as yet, and
as Alessando says, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon.
But basically, of course they've been covering it up since
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literally World War two, Churchill had seen reports of UFOs
in their midst during the war, and he covered that
up there. I think that's really one of the first
So it's a long time, a lot of cover ups,
a lot of people been put under the table for that.
Second is we have gained technology and.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
So and thirdly we're in the age of Steven Spielberg,
so we know we can engineer doing directions the sense
of happiness and not fear.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
But thirdly, also because it's a complicated system, it's not
just one alien intelligence out there wanting to see us.
It's a bunch of different ones who all have different agendas.
That's really scary. But going back to Spielberg and especially
close encounters of the third kind, don't forget once you've
seen a UFO, you're entangled with it, which is why
in the movie and as Drivers was making the volcano
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in his living room and they knew exactly where to go.
Because you're connected. You're and I think many of your
people listening here understand that once you've seen them, you're connected.
There's an entanglement. It's a quantum in tak.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
And that points to the consciousness aspect that you guys
are referring to and it does seem to.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Be the King. Yes. And this is our book Mind
Dynamics and Space and Time, an eight hundred page book
which is the real X files for remov viewing, based
upon secret work done at the Sound for Research Institute
by our colleagues, and we are fortunate to be the
editors as well as the investigators. So those out there
listening to the program, I recommend the Keys of Enoch
on our website. He's an Enoch dot Organ. Also my
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Dynamics and Space and Time. You need the two. For
that matter, you need music and what I will call
positive thinking to make it through the ups and downs.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Why do you consider that light reading?
Speaker 5 (40:00):
With music? It is like REDI. And this is why
we've engineered a new type of illustrations to high energy graphics.
So people can see our book Tibetan Tonkas. They can
see pictures that are illustrated with such fine perfection that
they feel that they can think through sacred geometry in
a way of not being afraid of new science.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
And just to say that it's off planet. We always
quote Ingo Swan who actually remote viewed Jupiter and had
it absolutely right when nobody thought there were rings around Jupiter.
He saw rings around Jupiter and it was proven actually
about six or seven years later.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Incredible. Hey listen, guys, thanks for taking the time to
talk with us. You're always fascinating. I don't know how
you delve into so many different areas of the world.
That's amazing. But thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking
the time, and you guys can find them at Keysoenoch
dot org. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram
at CITD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we are speaking with doctors JJ and desire Hertech Thirdtachs
are social scientists, futurists, authors and co founders of the
Academy for Future Science, and international organization dedicated to exploring
the interface of science, spirituality, and human potential. Their public
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presentations on the UFO phenomenon go back to nineteen seventy seven. Together,
they are widely recognized for their commitment to bridging scientific
research and spiritual insight, encouraging a vision for humanity that
is prepared for higher states of consciousness and a deeper
planetary stewardship. They have lectured all over the world, including
contact in the desert many many times, always emphasizing the
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need to reconcile science and spirituality. As proof, they're all
over the world, they're coming to was live today from Switzerland.
Thank you guys so much for taking the time during
your trip to talk with us.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Great it's always good to be in touch with someone
who's pushing the envelope like you.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
We're trying. Are you guys going to get a chance
to see Van Danigan while you're in Switzerland.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Actually we're close enough to him and his organization to
say that the Mystery part that he put together years
ago is now going into custodianship with some of our colleagues,
so we may have a chance to bring together futurism
and some new aspects of uthology as a real science.
You know, for many decades, scientific critics says there is
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not enough of a database to say that euthology has
a future. But now we know the government hearings and
you know this better than anybody else in Washington, that
we have a terrific database being put together after the
disclosure is a few years back, and so we're at
the lip of some major changes for the better.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I hope, I hope so too. You know, you guys
have been looking at this about as long as anyone,
and it seems that today, you know, the UFO topics
really embraced the consciousness idea, that aspect of this phenomenon.
But you guys have been on that board going back
this nineteen seventy seven, right.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Correct, Dezrae and I had the privilege of editing some
of the more should we say, far out material that
the government think tanks have been involved with for more
than fifty years.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Right. So one of our we have a whole cosmology
is what we really represent. And in a certain sense,
you know, we always have learned that we grew from
the earth and the amiba and then the fish and
then there was us. Right, But then that doesn't work
with extraterrestrials because you know, you're seeing beings not just
reptilians and exsectoids and grays, but you're actually seeing Nordics
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as they were now called by certain government people. And
those Nordics look just like us. I mean, some of
them can be tall well, others can have elongated skulls,
which we see in the ancient Egyp because we've done
a lot of work in Egypt in our past. So
in a certain sense, it's showing us that we probably
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also came from outer space, or at least the codes
that made us who we are were not limited to
Mother Earth.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Now you know you said out of space there, But
don't you guys also think that there's a multi dimensional reality.
How does that whole thing work? Are there levels to this?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Yes, we often say we believe there's three types of intelligence, extraterrestrial,
of which in a certain sense you could qualify us
as being terrestrial extraterrestrial.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I wish there's more than seventy civilizations in the physical form.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
And then there's extra celestials, which are really just different beings.
There are beings that aren't in a physical form like
we are.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
And then what we've taken quest to mention and what.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
We call also altra terrestrial, So we actually think there's
different levels of intelligence.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And the alter trusts would be called avatars or a
master teacher that have appeared throughout human history, both in
the Orient as well as in the West, claiming to
have knowledge of cosmic events.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Now, with that said, we also feel that extraterrestrials are
not limited to our third and fourth dimension. Many of
them seem to be operating the fifth dimension, because that's
how they can sometimes in an abduction cases, and I
do believe that those are real. They actually come into
your bedroom, take you through a wall, so you can't
be going in your third slash fourth dimension, and sometimes
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instead of bringing you back to your bedroom, they leave
you outside or down the street.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
So this happened to a good friend of ours who
was one of the top administrators with fair Child Industry.
Fair Child industry back on the sixties and seventies where
it was the mother load of scientific advances in aerospace,
and this friend told the story of how an alien
came through her bedroom wall, relate information to a telepathic
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and then exited again through the bedroom wall. Well, this
case study was never taken seriously, and we're not for
the prestigious position of my friend at Fairchild. We've probably
been lost in the dustbin of history, but this was
really a starting point for Desrie and I both academics
but also aware there was more to the story.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
And if I can just add actually so that takes
us back to who we are and oftentimes at contact
in the desert. We've talked about remote viewing. Now we've
done a book with an old friend of ours who
is a major PhD from University California, Berkeley, and she
also worked with Russell targan hal Pudolf, and she said
that we ourselves have the capacity in our brains to
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function eight dimensional space, so she would call remote viewing
functioning in that eight dimensional space because oftentimes, like ets,
we can see things in the past and we can
also know things in precognition about the future. So that
means we're not limited so much as much as we
think I think we are, at least in our three
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and fourth dimensional reality.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
When we see these UFO craft, do you think that
those are the ones from our dimension like you were
talking about that there's terrestrials and extraterrestrials, or do you
think it's possible that they're using these to go that's
how they travel interdimensionally.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
Well, we think most extraterrestrials are probably at least working
in the fifth dimension, which is able to cross our boundaries.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Beyond the laws of thermodynamics.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah, I mean people have talked about the fact of
being able to use wormholes to travel, or the Alcubre
engine where you move space and time behind you, and
some of the reports, especially from that first hearing, Ryan
Graves talked about a steer and a cube. Now that
speer could very well be a bubble which allows all
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kind of space and time to go around it. That's
why they can travel faster than our physical bodies or
their physical bodies can handle it, because I don't believe
the spacecraft inside, the beings inside the spacecraft are actually
feeling the g forces you know that we win in
our normal airplane or even our rocket. So they're using
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various technologies. Now when you say them, you know, actually
we do support the work of the extraterrestrial Species Almanac book.
Doctor Hertex mentioned regarding the area of tourists and they
claim that there's eighty species. So really there's such an
agenda between those that are trying to help us and
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those that really, you know, want one.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Most of the insiders soever in the government think that
there's only basically twelve and the hypothetical suggestions by some
of the new age writers is to attract fame and
fortune rather than look at the facts of what we
have in the government, think tanks. I'm saying that long
before doctor Jail and Heinich arrived down the scene from
Harvard University in Northwestern University, the government had species going
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back in the early four that they had kept we
see on coal ice in a variety of military locations
from New York to Florida to Ohio. But the story
gets a boost with the events that you and others
know about in nineteen forty seven with the Roswell story.
But long before the Roswell story, there was another story
completely overlooked, and that's the story of the indigenous elders
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that I missed, the Hopies, the Navajos, the Zunis, along
with those in South America who claim that this is
just a normal event. Star Nation. People have a right
and privilege to come and visit us and share with
us their wisdom and their knowledge.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's very interesting to me why do you think that
they're coming here? Do you have an answer to that?
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Well, of course the major will say, wave of what
we've been seeing really did start when the Trinity Site
took place, the nuclear obvious weapons, and we've seen them,
we personally, but you know, like Robert sala at Malstrom
Air Force Base, we also think dent waters reveal the
fact they were able to neutralize neutralize nuclear missiles all
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the way down in the ground in their silos, So
in actuality, that is a major reason why many are coming.
On the other side, there is a friend, Virgil Armstrong,
who said they need us, We don't need them. So
there's the other ones that actually do want some of
our enzymes. Why do you have cattle mutilations? I mean,
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are they just enjoying the meat or is there something
that they really need? And that's a whole another topic
hopefully we can continue with.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
And then the third quickly would be mother Earth is crying.
The environmental situation, according to the indigenous elders bespeaks of
the horrendous changes that are upon Mother Earth. If we
don't make changes quickly, the industrial North will suffer a
major consequences setback, and maybe at that time, the Star
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Nation people will be able to provide a new roadmap.
This is what we're all about, looking at all of
the perspective from a universal standpoint.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Agreed, And I definitely think there's an environmental issue here.
We hear that oftentimes from contact these When we come back,
we're going to talk to the hertechs more about ets
in their connection to Earth's past in various ancient texts
and megalists. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio
on Coast to Coast AM Aaronormal podcast network. We are
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back on Beyond Contact and we are speaking with doctors
JJ and desire Herttach. Do you guys think that some
of these ancient civilizations, like the Mayan civilization Egyptian were
actually interacting with some of these beings.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Most definitely having had the opportunity and background in archaeology
and geology and also what is called remote sensing the
use of ground penetrating radar, we were able to penetrate
back in the nineties about one hundred and thirty feet
beneath the Great Termbid of these egypt To say the least,
we were able to look clearly at the fact that
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they were what I will call geometric designs underground that
was so perfectly forged. It would indicate some type of
industrial technology had to be used.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Right. We have a book called Giza's Industrial Complex, co
authored with our friend James Brown who's a contractor, and
he and us separately have many times gone to Egypt
and you could see that the technology is unique. In fact,
the book talks about the fact that we feel that
they had had hydrogen energy technology to do a lot
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of the materials. Now, we never said in the book
that that's how they built the pyramid, but just that
they use that and you can create hydrogen gas and
you can use it for agriculture, and you can use
it for light bulbs, which Eric von Donkin has shown,
and you could also use it for health. I mean
people are drinking hydrogen water today, right, I mean just
even for that. But with that said, now, some of
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the modern theorists that are coming out right now and
saying water was you used to even build the pyramid.
We didn't go that far, but that's one of the
most popular areas. Doctor Hirtak also said from his own
unique remote viewing experience that the star shafts are what
we would call the air shafts in the King's chamber
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of the Great Pyramid pointed to Orion. He was said
that in the seventies.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
The three stars in the beld of Orion a distance
of some one three hundred and eighty light years away
from this planet, through a portal going through over sixty
five meters of stone, So that accuracy to pinpoint distant constellations,
plus the fact that there are many layers underneath Giza
there stacked with artifacts, would suggest the Giza Pyramid was
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an archaeological archive of some sort where things were stored
from all cultures prior to the Dynastic Egyptian period. But
we were fortunate to find the tumlov O Cyrus by
the use of acoustical physics, and although our discovery was
taken over the Egyptian authorities who did not want the
Americans to claim that they found the jim of O Cyrus,
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it's only being recognized now by independent experts that we
were there and had the good fortune when the Nile
River was at a much lower level to find the
actual spot with the lid of the chimov Cyrus. Osiris
represents music to the ancient Egyptian tradition, so we use
music vibrations to find the music called treasury.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Right, and so the tim of Osirus is one hundred
feet down pretty much in the center of the Guise
plateau between the Coffee Pyramid and the Sphinx, with a
little bit off towards the causeway in alignment with the
Great Pyramid. So again being able to go one hundred
feet down, it didn't look like they you know, maybe
we're claiming they didn't use it for burial of a person,
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but they probably used it for maybe burial of gases
or certain types of technology. That's our argument. Now in
addition to that, going back to the Great Pyramid, what's
unique think about it is if the King's chamber starshaft
or airshaft points to Orion, if you go down to
the Queen's chamber, it points to Sirious. And if you
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line Sirious with Ryan, the belt of Orion especially, you'll
go up to the Pliads. So these are three major
star systems.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
The star map is there in the engineering of the
different megalithics.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
These are places that people have talked about now regarding extraterrestrials.
Right somewhere coming from the Plaines, very popular place. Others
have connected with Sirius, even the connection with the Dogon
tribe in Africa, where they had more knowledge about the
stars than they could have physically seen.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
So Egypt is a mirror of the heavens. Egypt is
a mirror of what we will call portals of ascension
with the ancients in Egypt and the Mayans. Of course,
building as we are now discovering for national geographic cities
under the Earth would withstand the environmental changes of the sun.
So on both sides of the Atlantic we have sterling
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example of civilizations, or at least societies that were in
touch with cosmicandog.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
So when doctor Urtech said both sides in Atlantic, he's
also talking about especially Mexico, and of course we've also
done work in Peru and Easter Island, but just to
say in this short time, Mexico is amazing. He has
a book called The Keys of Enoch. I know we'll
talk about it. And there's a grid pattern there that
links like Chitsanitza to Guatemala to a third place off
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into the western part of Mexico. And there was a
fifteen year old kid in Canada who went to the
Canadian Space Agency probably never saw our book or anything
like that. He drew a very similar graph and he
pointed out from the help of the Canadian Space Program
and say it was Gottary that literally a lot of
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the pyramids in the Yucatan are aligned to star points,
and especially Ryan being one of them. And he confirmed it.
It was just something he kind of came up with
and he showed and it confirmed. So yes, I mean,
they at least nothing else they were looking at that,
and then I think you've seen it, Captain Ron. The
Jalisco I call them the Hallisco stones. These are these
(17:12):
amazing stones that look like they have UFOs on the
alien beings with large eyes. And yes, some of them
it's like crop circles. Some of them are direct from
the heavens, so to speak, and some of them are
become man made. So it always becomes a complicated mess
because you know, when you can sell something for one
hundred bucks. I mean, people are sorry, we're seeing.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
The genius universal intelligence.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Well we are. Yeah, we truly believe some of those
Jalisco stones, especially some of the original ones, are originals
and were replicas of what the early Latins or Mexicans saw.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Do you think that that was given, like, did aliens
communicate with humans in order to build these things in
that such an alignment?
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Probably, I mean they also have the wisdom from Casiquadal.
No one really knows who built Tia Tiwakon, which are
the three main pyramids near Mexico City. Of course they
claim that there's two pyramids and a temple, but if
you look at that temple, it's another pyramid. So it's
really very, very similar to what you find in Egypt.
(18:14):
And some lady named Linda Shelley, she also compared the
cosmology of Egypt to the cosmology of Mexico and the
whole idea that Orion was considered almost a father figure
for both cultures, especially for the Mesoamerican.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
So to answer your question, we have a good anthropological
footprint on every continent showing that our ancestors were in
touch and they duplicated as best they could with structures
that were mirroring what they believed to be the star
origin points.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
That study where they looked underground and saw other structures
beneath the Great Pyramid. Did you guys take a look
at that study and what did you think of it.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
You know, of the work of Filipo to me Bonini
if I can say his name right. But yes, they're
going a little deeper than we would consider being valid. Again,
we went down one hundred feet, which is thirty meters
for your foreign audience. And you know there's no doubt.
I mean, there was square corners in that last room
under the tomb of a cyrus shaft as people are
(19:18):
now calling it, and we do believe there's more under
the ground. But they were going almost like a mile
down right. To be honest, if they found something there,
it would only benefit our book and our philosophy. But
I think they'll never be able to.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
In our book Gizus Industrial Complex, we show a model
of what they're describing down the mile plus, which is
what we call an earth's bad rate. The Egyptians have
the ability to use water and what they call tulluric currents,
which are energies closer to the surface of the earth,
and build structures that would be able to combine the
(19:54):
hydraulic propulsions as well as the tuller energy feel in
such a way that they could a light of battery.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah, and actually, as you go over to al Fayoun,
which is like only several hours south of Giza. There's
a lake called Lake Morris, which historically in terms of Heroduus,
supposedly had a humongous pyramid in there that as high
as it was, it went also into the water. And
if you go to the Al Fayoune Pyramid, which is
(20:21):
on this Saint Joseph, Joseph's Canal as they call it,
there's the labyrinth, the famous Labyrinth. And if you look
at the labyrinth, what they claim this is from ancient
writings that there were three thousand rooms and so many floors.
I mean it could only have been like a battery
type of see.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Meat of the room represents the energy cell. Yeah, so
was basically parallel energy cells in duplication or triplication. And
this will be an exhibit when they reorganize Mystery Park
next year. It's called the Jungfraud Park at Interlock in Switzerland.
So those of you are hearing this program, if you
come to Europe, will beyond the building and you'll actually
(20:58):
see the films going underneath Egypt actually scoring specifically structures
that should be there, but are there. The critics of
the paper published by the two Italian remote sensient experts
would simply say, if this is for real, it's not
for humans, but for non human intelligence that has the
ability to go deep underneath the structure of the Earth.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Yeah, we still if they had said one hundred feet
or two hundred and three hundred feet, we probably would
have been more in favor of it. But you know,
it's going to take a long time for anyone to
prove them really wrong, because nothing really none the less open.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Because we're futurists, we believe that there are no problems,
only solutions. Fantastic work.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Okay, let's take a quick break there, guys. We're going
to come back and ask the hurt talks about more
of these ancient texts and how they may be referencing ets,
and we are going to ask them about jj seminal work,
the Book of Knowledge and the Keys of Enoch. You're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal the podcast network. You're back on Beyond
(22:06):
Contact talking to JJ and Desiree Hertech. Your work often
links these ancient texts to the UFO phenomenon, namely in
your Book of Knowledge and the Keys of Enoch. How
does that tie to non human intelligences.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
In many ways without saying something that will shock the audience.
I was at a situation in my life as a
young scholar, not being able to explain the existence of
Avatar's or higher celestial beings as recorded in ancient documents
both Oriental as well as now Eastern to my students,
and so I went into a variety of meditation modalities,
(22:42):
and having a background in music, I began to use
music harmonics with various mantras, both ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, Aramaic
with sanskritin the Oriental languages. And it was a combination
of languages with what I will call a certain vibratory
technique that I had developed that open the morphogenic field
(23:03):
briefly in one of my meditations where I was literally
taken into another dimension in this brief experience of different dimensions,
where I experienced non human intelligence that were different from
us in terms of its space for more of the
insectoid types and didn't even like to hire cell beings
beautiful beings. And in that larger context, I realized that
(23:26):
this planet was a schoolhouse or testing of different levels
of energy intermixed with different biological experiments, and we as
the humanity had the opportunity to take a great leap
forward or quantum change if we would surrender ourselves to
realize that we have ignored this body of incarnation, why
it has its breeding apparatus, why it has it seven
(23:49):
chakra systems, or we will call a musical ingenuity that
could be used to energize the left and right hemisphere
of the brain, the analytical left and the metaphysical musical right.
And so the keys of Enoch really bring together what
is called the keys, the musical keys of how we
can energize ourselves in a short period of time, breathing
techniques to musical techniques to make contact with the higher
(24:12):
ultratrustrial realm.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
So one of the things he made popular with his
book was the term merkaba. And do we consider the
merkava not necessarily the extraterrestrial spacecraft that can go from
you know, point A to point B in our galaxy
or even you know, across the universe with.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
The paraphysical energy vehicle.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
That can take you into other dimensional realities. So if
you're here in the third or fourth dimension, and the
third being the square box. We live in the fourth
being time. Then you can go into the even the
tenth or eleventh dimension, which string theory is talking about,
because there are these different dimensional realities. Seeing ourselves as
part of those who also are on other planets, like
(24:53):
we do feel that the Pleiades is a major place
where our kind of our kind are from, there's other
planets that have other types of life intelligence. We worked
for a while with a woman named Elizabeth Klaar in
South Africa and she was literally she claims, and I
believe her taken to proximate Sentaori, which happens to be
(25:15):
the nearest star sism. This happened to her in the fifties
because they said they had lived on Venus, Earth and Mars.
They're species, and that Venus got too much with the
solar flares, so they had to leave, and they left
behind species on Earth and Mars, and it was good
to reconnect with them, which is what she was doing.
(25:36):
And also there's something about the genetic code that we
have that also is looked at as a positive for
some of these other intelligences. It may be the fact
that the Grays, for instance, maybe and others are cloning
themselves too much, and so therefore the genetics needs updating
and enzymes. We were good friends with Dan Bursch, who
(25:57):
I know has kind of come out of closet once again,
which you're fifty one. Yeah, he worked at Area fifty
one and the alien intelligence that he communicated with said
he had neuropathy. This alien intelligence has neuropathy, and they
wanted us Danvers, being a microbiologist, to figure out how
to fix it, because we are a much more healthy
(26:18):
species at this time.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
Even though there's so much information ron there's so much
that we need electronic university at university without walls, which
you're trying to build maybe with your help, also where
we can reach those who think critically but lovingly with
the heart and the mind together, because what happens is
science traditionally and the intellectual history gets involved with military parades,
(26:40):
and that's the end of the Empires. We are at
stage of the space program can go ahead if we
don't have weapons of mass destruction in other space and
work with those who are favorably attuned to what I
will call a humanistic charter of nations. So in the
Keys of Enoch of our book, we also explain pyramids
on Mars. We were the first scientist to release in
(27:00):
the nineteen seventies the actual pictures as a result of
my work behind the scenes in remote viewing to actually
look and find specific areas of interest. The question was
are these natural or non natural landforms? Carl Sagan didn't
want to say too much at the.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Time, but he was amazed by that. That's the one
thing that were stunned.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Up frivilege as a consultant and also working in paraphysics
to get the green light to publish this so ours
as the real to we say, first attempt to show
that at one time Mars and civilizations on Mars, indeed
many were in contact with the indigenous populations and hantcy
mythology and folklore of Mars as a planet of war
(27:41):
because the Martians, if I may use that term, destroy
their environment where we're not really kind to the use
of science. Then another book I wrote called The Face
on Mars, or in the Spanish as Spinky and Marty
The Sphinx on Mars. I go into details of how
we were able to probe and find fascinating artifacts that
it yet to come out officially by government reports. But
(28:01):
I think this will happen next year. I hope that
Mars will be seen as a replica of a mush
earlier civilization.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
So the Keys of Enoch and our work in cosmology
literally shows that, or says at least, that we exist
throughout the universe. There are other species that also exist
throughout the universe. Many have their own agenda, but we
do feel, I want to emphasize, is that some are
really here to help us. You know, there's been recently
a UFO seen around the volcano near Mexico City, actually
(28:32):
Publa called Popocatech Pecle, and we believe that they are
trying to neutralize that volcano going off. You know, there's
a lot of solar flares, and we believe the solar
flares are actually not only affecting us. There's a recent
report that actually affects hearts of humanity, especially women's hearts.
But with that said, also the brain waves are shifted
(28:55):
a little bit. But basically it also heats up the
outer core and the inner man, and so to escape
that heat it goes through volcanoes, and we're not volcanoes earthquakes,
And I believe that some of the UFOs that are
seen off the coast of southern California, especially down by
San Diego, are also trying to neutralize.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Them visual monitoring devices that are like wall thermostats. If
this is an experiment, those who put us together need
all does from the divine spark also put a we'll
call chrono monitors or time measuring devices. And it appears
that some of these sacred areas, including volcanoes as well
as large pyramidive objects, seem to be measuring lines of
(29:37):
how civilization is measured to a point, and when we
diverge or misuse our knowledge based then intelligence intervenes or
manifest and unique ways. We're at this critical point now,
and I hope our listeners understand. We have got a
wealth of material to push the envelope a positive thinking forward,
but we need to be positive rather than be back
(29:58):
in the back seat of negative thinking.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, you talk about how to go up this scale level, Yeah,
to go up that ladder that we need to be
in a positive space, vibrational consciousness or something right.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
It's right, like they're taking the keyboard up into an octave.
Arnold Sheinberg, the composer usually termed twelve tone roll. It
appears that if we can use the collective musical keyboard
and all of this basic rhythms to enliven ourselves, to
give us positive thinking, positive sociology. With a whole new
threshold of working with not one, but many of the
(30:35):
engineers and thinkers from other worlds, we will make it
through this quagmire of history which we're embedded with old concepts,
old paradigms, old shall we say, approaches that go back
to Roman times. It's military excursions may be beautiful for
historic poets, but it certainly do not work in the
Martin m absolutely not. This is the importance of your
(30:58):
program to stimulate young minds to see about the role.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Let us pray that is the goal. When we come back,
we're going to ask the Herd Talks about their thoughts
on right now, what's happening and what our government knows
and if they possibly have et craft technology. If you're
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, we're back on Beyond Contact
(31:34):
talking to the Hurt Talks here. Do you guys think
that our government has recovered et craft?
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Well, I think everyone who's followed the three hearings that
we've now had in twenty twenty three, twenty four, and
twenty five. All do believe that there is a legacy
retrieval program, which means there are craft. Even someone like
gurriy Gueller, who is an old time friend of ours.
You know, he talks about his where he actually was
(32:01):
going underground and seeing the bodies and he actually touched
the metal. And this is going way back to von
Braun when he connected with Ron Braun.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
But you know, you hear that the mid seventies.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Yeah, in the mid seventies, but when you start hearing
other things the bodies, yes, most likely if you even
follow anything going on at Roswell. I think even Louel
Azando even said that there were two craft that crashed
at Roswell as far as he knew, and one was
able to get away, but one remained there. And then
you have someone like Edgar Mitchell who grew up at Roswell.
(32:35):
He didn't see a UFL, but when he got back
from outer space and he was in Roswell and they
started saying, hey, you know we saw the bodies. There
were bodies here, So I mean, there's no doubt that
that is. But it's much much larger.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
I was close to astronaut Gordon Cooper who saw extra
tressless ships over East Germany in nineteen fifty one. They
didn't lock him up, they made him an astronaut. His
book Leap of Faith, he goes into a deep detail
about his experience has actually seen the landing one of
the spaceships at Edwards. So I know from the inner
team of astronauts and ex government people that we've been
(33:13):
connected with in other parts of the world, that other
countries have also got their put on treasury of space
metal of bits and pieces. In fact, I brought one
back from Brazil back in the seventies analyzed it a lab,
showing a molecular structure that could not be made by
any lab on this planet. We know that the bits
and pieces that the government has questioned over some eighty
(33:36):
years would show that we've got not one, but several
storehouses of very unique artifacts. The question is how to
make them run, and that's into the subject of mind
over matter. Is there a thought technology that is more
important than just the physical nets and bolts. Obviously yes,
because the government's had all these we say crash retrieval units,
(33:57):
but very few of them work specialists in other countries
the same story. The government has secured this and pieces
of crash UFOs, such as in Brazil and Mexico. But
there's more to the story, and that's who's behind the technology.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
But I do want to say with extraterrestrials, it does
seem a lot of it is consciousness based. And we
applaud a representative of Anna, Paulina Luna that she realizes this.
She says, you know, is there a mind body connection?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
As well as Eric Girlson from Missouri.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
But in terms of you know, people have talked about
putting their hands on the vehicle and that literally activates
it because it's a consciousness linkage. I don't I think
we don't understand consciousness enough that these vehicles, like the
Barber incident, is a connection of consciousness basically. So even
if it's a physical vehicle, looks physical, feels physical, there's
(34:52):
a consciousness that's been put into or embedded into this.
You know, Whitley Strieber is trying to talk about this.
I don't know if you've had him on your program.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Absolutely yes, you hear about that, absolutely.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Yeah, And he says the gray, the gray alien that
he's in touch with, who's a woman. They make gray
aliens and then she projects her mind into those gray
aliens to go into other locations. That's a typical situation.
We can actually do that too. And I think what
we're growing into and what we say is the time
of graduations, we realize our own potential, which is much
(35:26):
greater than just living on this planet. We have that
potential remote viewing as part of that, but other aspects
as well. So it's amazing.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
The avatar idea, right, JJ right, The avatar within us
is capable of being activated. A book that we've written
called The over Self Awakening takes the reader pictographically and
illustration wise through a variety of colored geometries. At the
end of the seventy second chapter, one is able to
(35:55):
work with a higher mind of resonance and actually feel
the steering mechanism over the body that we take forget
it as the end product. This body that we call
the human is a subset of a vibratory body, an
epicinetic body that is able to work and vibrate on
many levels. And this was the conclusion of studies done
at the stand For Research Institute nineteen seventies and eighties
(36:17):
that we were multi dimensional beings. We were local beings
but also non local beings capable through the power of
the mind, to operate and visit other dimensions. So this
is the new step in interdimensional physics. That's so important.
But I want to assure the readers it's not just
mathematical formulas. It's the music and the heartbeat of the
vibration of sacred montrums or vibrations of music that gives
(36:40):
life and meaning, higher purpose.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
And that's what's a representative Anna Paulina Uno. The best
part of the twenty twenty four November twenty twenty four
hearing was her questions because she said, is this a
multidimensional reality that they're functioning in? And the answer is yes.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
So what's going to happen? It's not some much disclosure,
it's post disclosure. To see we've got byte shining vehicles
sitting on the White House lawn or sitting at the
University of Berkeleys for that matter, of Times Square, New
York is a secondary story. If the question is what
do we do with ourselves with these advanced technologies that
we don't have in the advanced consciousness to operate telepathically
(37:21):
what we will call through a new science or future
science guided by consciousness. We're still in the same fox hole.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Is that why all the countries keep this so secret?
Because they can't look.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
For two reasons why they don't have the what I
will call the spiritual psychological maturity. And I'm using spiritual
slash psychology a little differently than most would interpret to
mean using a unified buying and focus with the possibility
that you have to have the willingness to go into
an investd evolutionary process. So if you're willing and have
(37:52):
hope in the future, you go into the future. If
you deny the future afraid of it, you stay in
the past, trapped into negativity. In dimensional three, the.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
Men well thoughts, Dan Freeman said, we act like we're
a bunch of apes whose favorite pastime is tribal warfare.
Why would they want us up there? I also want
to say, though, before we close the three reasons why
I think disclosure has not taken place as yet, and
as Alessando says, it's not a sprint, it's a marathon.
But basically, of course they've been covering it up since
(38:20):
literally World War two, Churchill had seen reports of UFOs
in their midst during the war, and he covered that
up there. I think that's really one of the first
So it's a long time, a lot of cover ups,
a lot of people been put under the table for that.
Second is we have gained technology and.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
So and thirdly we're in the age of Steven Spielberg,
so we know we can engineer doing directions the sense
of happiness and not fear.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
But thirdly, also because it's a complicated system, it's not
just one alien intelligence out there wanting to see us.
It's a bunch of different ones who all have different agendas.
That's really scary. But going back to Spielberg and especially
close encounters of the third kind, don't forget once you've
seen a UFO, you're entangled with it, which is why
in the movie and as Drivers was making the volcano
(39:09):
in his living room and they knew exactly where to go.
Because you're connected. You're and I think many of your
people listening here understand that once you've seen them, you're connected.
There's an entanglement. It's a quantum in tak.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
And that points to the consciousness aspect that you guys
are referring to and it does seem to.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Be the King. Yes. And this is our book Mind
Dynamics and Space and Time, an eight hundred page book
which is the real X files for remov viewing, based
upon secret work done at the Sound for Research Institute
by our colleagues, and we are fortunate to be the
editors as well as the investigators. So those out there
listening to the program, I recommend the Keys of Enoch
on our website. He's an Enoch dot Organ. Also my
(39:47):
Dynamics and Space and Time. You need the two. For
that matter, you need music and what I will call
positive thinking to make it through the ups and downs.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Why do you consider that light reading?
Speaker 5 (40:00):
With music? It is like REDI. And this is why
we've engineered a new type of illustrations to high energy graphics.
So people can see our book Tibetan Tonkas. They can
see pictures that are illustrated with such fine perfection that
they feel that they can think through sacred geometry in
a way of not being afraid of new science.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
And just to say that it's off planet. We always
quote Ingo Swan who actually remote viewed Jupiter and had
it absolutely right when nobody thought there were rings around Jupiter.
He saw rings around Jupiter and it was proven actually
about six or seven years later.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Incredible. Hey listen, guys, thanks for taking the time to
talk with us. You're always fascinating. I don't know how
you delve into so many different areas of the world.
That's amazing. But thanks for coming on. Thanks for taking
the time, and you guys can find them at Keysoenoch
dot org. You can find me on Twitter and Instagram
at CITD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by checking out
(40:58):
Contact Inthdesert dot com. Stay open minded and rational as
we explore the unknown right here on the iHeartRadio and
Coast to Code Am Paranormal Podcast Network.
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