November 29, 2022 • 55 mins
The porn industry and sex work is often stigmatized, but adult performers face racism, discrimination, and pay disparities within the industry. Host Roy Wood Jr. sits down with Daily Show segment director Stacey Angeles, and adult entertainers and co-creators of the adult film production company, Royal Fetish Films, Jet Setting Jasmine and King Noire to discuss how the porn industry perpetuates racist stereotypes and capitalizes on racist film titles, how consumers can hold companies accountable, and what constitutes a sexual “fantasy.”
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, welcome to be on the scenes, the podcast that
goes deeper into segments and topics that originally aired on
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about this podcast as like, this podcast is like a
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(00:28):
all to be happy after she dies. And you could
really do the recipe justice, but you know, but your
mama be hating good. It is what it is. So yeah,
that's what this podcast is. I'm Roy Wood Jr. And
today we're talking about a segment we filmed back in
that asked a very important question. It's the porn industry
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racist roll the clip. Well no, not that porn clip
roller Daily Show clip about point, don't roll the point
trying to keep our license. There was definitely racism on
the point. This is the only business in the world
where a female can say yea when they to a
person just because of the colors. Black men are particularly
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portrayed in porn is being thugs, criminals. What do you
black men doing in the health. Black women are portrayed
as extremely ghetto. The titles are racist itself. The porn
industry will take anything painful to black people and just
add a pair of titties, Black wives Matter, twelve inches
of slave help. They even remade roots cute girls we
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killed around here. Anybody that would say that there is
a racism and porn really needs to be slapped out
of Today. I'm joined by segment director Stacy Angels, who
helped produce this piece. Stacy, how you doing, old friends?
I'm great, Roy. I always love talking about porn with you. Well,
thank you. I'm happy that you're the only person I
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talked about for him with at work as well. Hello, Hr,
I know you're listening. Uh. Also joining us for this
conversation are adult entertainers, life partners and business partners. They're
co creators of the adult film production company Royal Fetish Films.
She is a licensed clinical therapist. Please welcome jet Setting
Jasmine to the program. Jet Setting, How you doing, Madam,
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Jet Madam? Madam? Okay, we'll take it. And also your
partner in business and your partner in real life, King
Noir King, how you doing? Good to be here? Now
I'm excited to hear about some stories of racism, because
you know, that's what I love talking about as a
black person. But first, Stacy, I know how this piece
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kind of came to be. I don't remember who else
was in on the inception of it, but I do
remember Trayvon Free coming into my office and he just goes, hey, man,
you want to meet mister Stone? But sure, why not?
I'll keep in mind. Up until that point, the pieces
(03:10):
I had done were Police reform Um, the twentieth anniversary
of the Million Man March, embedding on the election. I
was so happy just to do something that was just
completely off the wall. And I if I recall, you
were relatively new to the show, So what did you
think when they brought this piece to you? No, I
was super new, and so it was my going to
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be my third piece. So I think there were five
pieces floating around. And obviously I got drawn to porn
because everybody loves porn, Even people who say they don't
watch porn love porn. But then I saw the story
and I was like, oh, this is a little bit
darker because Trayvon sent me an article that was like
white women were demanding more pay to sleep with black men.
And as disgusting as that was, it was shocking to
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me because I don't know, maybe I'm not Eve, but
when I think of the porn industry, I always think
of like sexual, free, open mind, godness. I never thought
that it would be something that had so many boundaries
or whatever. And then when I was researching more on it,
I saw that not only is it racist, that are
like capitalizing on it with the titles and the premises,
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and it seemed like a narrative that they were kind
of getting away with. And also I never worked with Roy,
and so it was my first piece of Roy, so
I was very excited about that. Yeah, what did you
find more surprising? Because I'll be honest, like when I
was doing a little bit of the research going into
you know, for the for the listeners um. As a correspondent,
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it's very important that you get the backstory on the
topic that you're researching because it makes you a better,
a more adept interviewer when you're speaking with your seeing partners,
if you will, for this particular that we'll call him see.
But the people you're interviewing, you want to know what
they are you're talking about right, and so I just
remember seeing all of these random racist porn titles. We
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had a researcher, Devin Devin Leary was with the show
at the time, and she had to watch hours of
porn and find the stereotypes so that we could find
the jokes in him. And so her desk was so popular,
like twelve twelve years of slave like like like just
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parties of just popular films. They were just like, yeah,
let's flip that into a porn So was there anything
that shot you about this shoot? I was going to
mention Devin Larry because she's she did all the research
and she was a second producer at the time. She
was amazing, And I said, you know, we need to
find a bunch of porn that has that really banks
on all those stereotypes of black people being criminals, breaking in, thugs,
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you know whatever. I and I was thinking she might
have to dig deep, like baby, and it was like instant,
She's like, oh my god, I found one. And the
titles were not even the titles aren't even subtled. They're
just like, oh no, a black man broke into my house.
Oh no, there's a black man inside my wife, Like
they were just it was in an embarrassment of riches,
and it just it was just like so much. She
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almost gave me too much stuff. And then that was
like insanely surprising to me. And then the second thing
that was really surprising was hearing things white women were
more willing to do over having sex with the black men,
like triple anal penetration and prostitution and uh, everything was
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shocking because, like I was saying earlier, I really thought
it was just open minded industry, which maybe I am
not even that white women will demand more money just
to take that black bone. White girls will ask for double, triple,
quadruple the amount to do an interracial scene. This seems
to be the only industry where a white person could
just straight up go, I ain't working with black people today.
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You couldn't do that. If you work in a fast
food spot, you couldn't just go, who's cooking Stanley? Oh baby,
you got to pay me time and a half if
I'm gonna be working with these negroes. Jasmine, give me
the first time you were on set and you're not
like when you're in the middle of racism, like when
racism is brought in progress and you just be sitting
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there talking to yourself. Can you know what I'm talking
about too? Just like and my experience in this field. Okay, Jaspine,
just hold the chicken and biscuit in your hand and
be okay. And actually he's like, wait a minute, did
he just asked me the whole a chicken wing? And
basically like, walk walk us through. You know, both of you,
walk us through that first time that you discovered the
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level of discrimination that existed in the industry or where
you put up on game about that from the job.
So I think we're both going to be able to
give you a range of examples. And so for me,
I was put up on like the reason why royal
fetish films exists is because as a consumer of porn,
I was like, I can't First of all, I can't
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watch it and listen to you know, I can't listen
to the fake blacks, and I can't listen to the
stereotypical tropes. I can't listen to the chicken and biscuit
jokes like it. It became a form of entertainment for
me that was like, if I'm enjoying this is something
wrong with me and I'm not enjoying it, So why
am I watching it now? Where am I going to
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go to get inspiration to masturbate? Right? So, when King
and I started working together, it was like, we need
to create something that we could feel proud to watch. Um,
And we were hearing this from We're already doing sex
education and hosting parties and um, we were already hearing
this like I don't watch porn specifically from black women
because we don't see ourselves reflected. It's degrading. It's hard
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to feel sexy when you are seeing the lowest representation
of yourself and your people. So I already knew like
whatever we created was going to be something that I
wanted to watch. Now. That being said, as we started
to become more popular, at least for me, people we
are starting to ask me to shoot for their company.
And so I come from uh in this industry, from
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a privileged space where I can say like, no, thank you.
That sounds like I'm going to be sitting there and
exactly how you describe, like I'm in the middle of
some racism. And so I was able to say kind
of no right off the back, and they're like, oh, well,
the scene is going to call for you to do
some twerking. Um, nothing's wrong with working, but you've never
seen me twork. Why would you be casting me for that?
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Like I'm probably not the best person. Like if you
want to see great pointed toes and some modern dance
like sign me up. But for tworking, you know, you're
just kind of making an assumption that because I'm black
and I do porn, that that's what you're gonna get, right. So, Um,
but I will say that what I have seen, and
I've worked enough corporate jobs and for government agencies to
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know that sort of like baseline of racism that's there. Um,
I look at where where the bottom line, where the
dollars roll, and I found that my white counterparts were
getting money for hair, for makeup, and for costuming when
they shoot. And for me, it was like, um, make
sure you bring your own makeup kit and you know
we'll we'll do something with your hair. You know you
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have that style that's so edgy, and um, bring a
couple of Okay, bring a couple of bring a couple
of outfits, and world choose from what you have. And
then later to find out that this is a line
item when my white counterparts shoot, you know, so there
are there's that there's also I have found like even
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leading into this interview, I was like, let me just go,
let me google myself, Let me google myself and the
N word, And because I know I don't say it,
so somebody had to put it out there. And a
lot of my scenes have been licensed using words that
I did not agree to. Now, since those are a
lot of those scenes are older ones, since um we
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got even further up on game, we now make it
a part of our contract that they cannot sell our
scenes using any type of derogatory language because a lot
of times you might be thinking that you're shooting for
a company that has your best interests in mind and
that sees you as whoever you are, and then you know,
three times around, you're in Germany as the black nigger
girl works on big black dick husband or not the
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definitely wouldn't say husband criminal yeah, or ghetto women give
blow jobs to pay their power bill, Like it's always
like why they need the money in the discript so
I've heard, I've never been in any decighted I think
also with with a lot of the times when it
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comes to just that open mindedness of the industry that
Stacy had just mentioned. It might be open minded for
the white performers, like there's a certain level of freedom
that they have even within their titles, but within the
black titles there's this whole desperation that is also put
with it as well. And for me, I have experienced
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all the way from the subtle racism to the I've
been called niggarron set before you know. Um, I was
at the scene. No, it wasn't even in the scene.
I was Rmber. No, it was it was another a former.
She wanted to have sex with me off camera after
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our scene, and I was like, nah, I got things
to do. I was actually about to call Jasmine and
check in on the family, and she catches her attitude
and messages. We had the same agent and she messaged
the agent King is being an uppity nigger to my agent,
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he won't have sex with me off camera. And you
know what uppity means. When they call you uppity, that
just mean you're not doing what white folks want you
to do. Yeah, they're trying to break you exactly. The
company tried to tell me that I should still film
with her. I basically had to tell them nothing that
I shot with her should ever be released. I had
them signed like I wrote some ship on a paper
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right there, and was like, y'all signing this, y'all never
releasing this or it is gonna be a problem. So
then they tried to tell other people in the industry
not to work with me because I because I'm a
problem because I don't want to be called a nigger,
but my costof But if she's a white woman, she
holds more power than you in the industry because white
women are kind of the golden Geese fiscally speaking for
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a lot of these production companies, right, So I want
to challenge that roy The perception, right is that white
women are the gold the Geese they um, And I
think that that's where it's the reflection of society in
the industry. But when you look at what the top
selling genre is, it's inter racial. You cannot have you know,
a white woman alone is not making the top dollar.
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When you look at the top searches, it's inter racial
hentai um milf. Right, So there are certain subsets of
the people that are participating in the industry that actually
are the clickbait they are, you know, So this idea
that you know, white women have specific power in the industry.
It's more of a reflection of our largest society and
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how we see them as um, you know, without without fault,
um to be protected, to be uplifted, to be held
in this prize position. But if we look at the
bottom line, they need to sleep with someone other than
themselves to bring in the highest number of clicks, advertisements
and money. What is the dynamic on set though, Like
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if you're writing Cease and Desists on the back of
a napkin, on set, what is the hr situation? And
that like okay, like let let me break it down,
because all I know is like is like acting on
the set. And there was some time years ago I
played an extra. I played a slave in the background
of a Civil War reenactment. This is like ninety seven
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is my first ever television credit. And we're all dressed
like slaves and it's you know, they're showing Union soldiers
while buying. The director comes over and goes, you know,
could you guys mind like you're clapping like he wanted
us basically to be doing like some humming and singing
around the fire, like singing slave hymnals, and we all
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kind of looked at each other and it was like, yo,
I just kind of want to I'm already dressed like
a slave, my man, Just let me just sit here
and just chill. How much do you get to challenge
when they try to add a little. They try to like,
you agree to one thing and then you get on
set and they try and flip the script, King, like
has ever been a scenario, but they try to come
in and sprinkle a little ready your mind, King, I
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love what you're doing, but let me put racism. Let's
do it again. I mean, those are the times when
you have to make a business decision where it's like
am I comfortable with this and my walking off set?
Am I going to deal with whatever backlash is gonna follow?
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I have walked up set. I have definitely walked up set.
I have had That's what I said. I've dealt with
so many. It's sometimes it would be that type of
racism where it's like I have a lot of black friends.
I grew up with black friends. Like just just recently,
I had this thing where he was this is the director.
This isn't like another the director. The first time I
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ever went into somebody's house and it smelled like Chipland's.
I'm like, what what does that have to do with
anything that we're doing right now? You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying. So but but it's like
stuff like that, and and it did wind up having
to It led to a conversation that I was like,
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I might never work for this company again, but I
need to have this conversation in a way that's not
gonna completely make them be like, you know, angry black man,
but they gotta stop. And it had kind of led
to this thing where I can't go. He was talking
about Atlanta, like some neighborhood. He was like, you know,
white people can't go there, And I was like, where
where in America can't white people go? Y'all own stuff?
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You gotta go. You gotta go to the hood to
collect your rent, or there's a burger king there, or
there's whatever. You know what I'm saying. There's no place
in America that you can't go. But I know if
I'm a my Aubrey and I'm running through a neighborhood,
I know I can't be there. I can't go to
benson Hurst I can't go to sundowntowns. That's that's our reality.
That's not your reality, but it's shaped that way. So
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I had to have this conversation on set with the
director and and I know, like, and at this point
it's just like I'm not in the I'm not in
the mood took after this, I am. I know, like,
I'm like, look, it's not it's not gonna happen to
shoot exactly, It's not gonna happen today. And and trying
to explain that, like you sometimes will have to it's
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not gonna happen for me, and you don't always have to.
Sometimes you're gonna have to put it like I can't
work with you. But sometimes you just gotta. You gotta
take that l And that's the tough part about our
industry because there isn't an HR department that I could say, hey,
you know who who are you going to go to?
With most of these companies, these these are their own
companies or these directors are also the heads and owners
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of their company. Is there a union? Part of me
if this is an ignorant question, but is there like
an actors and for adult entertainers to there there are
some organizations. If there's a Free Speech Coalition UM that
works too to uphold m some forms of advocacy for
performers and UM there's also a guild, but it's very
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very loose. I mean. Part of the issue is that
the porn industry is stigmatized from the rest of the workforce.
I mean we literally have a hashtag that sex work
is work. Right. The only time that we're really recognized
UM as being a part of fiscal part of the
society is taxes. That's the only time you know, is
that what goes into our bank and what comes out
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for taxes. But UM trying to uphold like a discrimination suit,
sexual harassment and those type of things to think about
where what what court are we bringing that to. That
also validates that what we're doing is work, that what
we're doing is consensual, that what we're doing is moral.
UM just sort of thinking about the pandemic that we
are we're still in. I know everyone else is out
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of it, but the UM. There were the PPP loans
that came out for people who you know, had businesses.
We're trying to keep their employees working. We have a
a full production company that we wanted to sustain over
the pandemic and keep people working. But the morality clause,
there's literally a morality clause in these loans that although
we are tax paying, legally producing um producing content, uh
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paying our taxes, etcetera, etcetera, we don't fall into the requirements.
And so, you know, because the structures that are supposed
to be able to support us with taking whether these
are claims up for discrimination, hell hate crimes if you will,
rite being called a nigger on set um, sexual harassment,
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any type of harassment, or the financial discrimination that I
talked about, where my co stars are getting paid more
for the same work, if not less than what I'm doing.
It's really difficult. It's even difficult to find a sex
worker friendly attorney that'll take up your clause. So we
are really off. It's like a marginalized industry with marginalized
people within that industry. It's like we're in the margins
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of the margin stacy we I know, within the piece
we talked a little bit about, you know, how the
porn industry perpetuates racist stereotypes. You know, in the present.
The thing that I hated was that we really weren't
able to get deeper into the history of porn, you know,
in terms of the roots of the racism and all
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of the other different It talked to me a little
bit about some of the pieces and parts that we
wish we would have had space where for the record,
I pitched Porn Part two. But then Trump got elected
and you know, we had we had different priorities within
the building. I mean, I remember initially reading a pitch
about it, being like, we wanted to make this like
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the civil rights movement of the porn industry, making you
like the Martin Luther king of it and trying to um,
you were trying to like you're trying to I think
it was like trying to inspire white women to sleep
with black men to you know, and that stigma everybody though,
because that was the oh you just brought it up. Wait,
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there was also a hashtag. I think there's like a
hashtag black Dogs Matter. Like there was like, remember like
a bunch of absurd ideas that like popped up. If
you're like me, you love good pornography, there's a problem.
Black people are constantly being portrayed as criminals and sexual predators.
Porn companies aren't doing anything to change it. So I
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am for a limited time only see black people getting
portrayed positively and my new porn series Affirmative Actions starring
me Goodwood Jr. Horny. I'm busy, I've run a fortune company.
I do not have time to come home and just
banged you repeatedly. We only had time to focus on
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black discrimination. But then there's also so the issue of Asians,
you know, being presented as subs made yeah, and just oh,
I'm so quiet, and Islamophobia being a big part of it.
And then oh, you're not light skinned black, your Latino
pretending to be a Mexican, so that you want to
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that that happens to me all the time. They'd be like,
can you play Puerto Rican? What does that? Just like
Puerto Ricans a black tool. They just were colonized by
a different language. What what do you want me to do?
And sex differently? Do you talk of the accent or
la chica I am here for they don't? They grand
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like that's a terrible Puerto Rican. Please don't cancel many
Puerto Rican. You're doing it and we can't even so
for for example, um, I'm Filipino and Panamania. Oh my god,
me too. Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt on Filipino, um so,
but you would be casted. You wouldn't be casting as Filipino,
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um and neither in mine, you know. I And I'm fine,
like I know, I'm a black Filipino and a black Panamanian.
But when people ask me, like, you know, what should
we put here? And then when it comes out, it's
still like black black lady, you know? Can I I'm
so sorry this has been like lingering over my mind,
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um king when you were talking about that offensive woman
whatever her name is, I don't remember. We don't have
to name her. How the hell do you perform with
someone after they throw all these offensive racist for marks
at you? How do you perform with them on camera
after that? I don't I I don't personally um for me,
like I said, with with that particular situation, they had
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to remove her from the follow up shoots. But the
and it's funny you mentioned Puerto Rican because when we
I was shooting the rest of the scene, like another
part of this of this film with to other performers,
one who was there for when she said, well, when
the whole thing happened, and the other who they brought
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in to replace her, and then the director yells cut
and then uh, one of the women said, why did
you get mad? I thought you were Puerto Rican and
that and that was the end of my working period,
Like like literally in the middle of I was like,
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I'm done, I'm done. I can't do this no more.
And the craziest ship is they shooting Iowa. So I
had to get out of Iowa after this, after this
racist situation, and there's nobody, there's nobody to connect with Iowa.
After you go through some racist ship. You can't just
talk to the brother next to you because he ain't there.
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Let me find out they got some porn studios in Iowa. Man,
I've been going to It's like in those kind of
situation sation is where I said, like, it's like you're
gonna have to make a not only a business decision,
but there's a certain decision that you have to make
for your own humanity. And it's like, nah, y'all, y'all
gonna have to pay me to kill fee for this
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shoot because this isn't this isn't appropriate, this is a
bad situation. I'm y'all don't deserve my dick no more.
I gotta go home. That's what I tell women too.
After the break, I want to get a little bit
more into the work that you all are doing at
Royal Fetish Films and how are you all helping to
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solve this problem? And we need to talk a little
bit about your boy and Marty Klein Stacy, who was
in the segment do well you do want film didn't
want to interview talking about it's not racism if you
don't want to watch black people on camera have and
said whatever, Marty, we're getting too that after the break,
this is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back beyond
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the scenes. We're talking about racism and porn. A little
segment that I did it back in shot some of
the interviews out there. I didn't know this King and Jasmine,
I didn't know that they like that the point industry,
y'all ran out a nice big, six bedroom house. Each
bedroom is a different universe of a set, and there's
just multiple adult films being shot concurrently, all in one house.
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And I was like, wow, this is a that was
like the most shocking thing because I don't know why.
Just growing up watching porn, I just always thought that
was somebody's real house. Like the concept of a film
set did not register it. I thought they were just
shooting somebody's crib. Actually, me too, that's good, that's good.
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The movie magic right there? Yeah, I like that looked
like a roach on the wall that I know what.
I know what that is. ITBs don't always be clean.
Now you want to know something that's really well, I've
seen a poem one time. I've been in so many
hotel rooms over my in five years of comedy, I
can tell the hotel by the quilt pattern, and I like, oh, no,
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that's a Hampton Inn. I'd be staying at Hampton Inn.
But let's talk about royal fetish films and the work
that you all are hoping to accomplish with that company,
because you know the first thing I want to do.
Let's set the table and just talk about the history
of discrimination and racism and porn and white women saying
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they make less money if they have sex with a
black person, and what it is exactly you all are
trying to undo with with your film company. So I
think a lot of times people like to compartmentalize whatever
industry it is, whether it's porn or music or Hollywood
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film whatever it is, and think that the racism that
exists within it is somehow specific to just that industry,
but it always goes back to the same ship. You know,
America is born, rooted and grew up on racism. You know,
America's number one industry was our ancestors here, you know,
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like just running through the numbers of our worth, our
ancestors worth being worth more than the country and the
and the currency of this country, going back to the
eighteen hundreds, right. But the important part to think about
with the stereotypes that we see in porn is that
those stereotypes were born and how they sold us, how
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they purchased us. And the fact that, for example, like
in Virginia and Maryland, their number one export, if you will,
and crop was our ancestors was black folks, and they
have breeding plantations. So like a lot of times people
talk about tobacco, rice and cotton, but America also had
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breeding plantations that they sold our ancestors on, and they
had specific ways that they did it. So like for example,
black men were a lot of times specific fickly purchased
by the size of our penis. Because whatever these racist
slave owners back in the day they were like, oh,
he'll probably make more babies because his penis is bigger
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or whatever the funk they thought on some horse stallion
type ship exactly exactly. And you know, so that is
one stereotype that we see to this day because if
you look at just percentages across the planet man Dick's range,
there's big and small of all races. But the perception
of black men's penis is being larger is because for
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however long these white men just sat there with black
men on the stage looking at us butt naked and
trying to select our dick size, the ship has been
imprinted on their brain because that's what they look for
in us. It's also what they fear in us because
they have raped so many black women, black men, and
black children over this time. You know, when you look
at just the history of film and the history of entertainment.
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First ever, you know, popular Groundbreak film they say is
Birth of a Nation, you know, and Birth of a
Nation was all about the Clue plus Klan stopping black
men from raping white women. Man Dingo was all about
a slave owner who goes on a trip and was
afraid that the mistress of the house was going to
sleep with his slave man Dingo, because he had been
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raping all these black women on the plantation. And this
is American popular culture. First popular culture in music was
minstrel music. Black white people in black face imitating us.
So all of this stuff culminates important because these fantasies
have been stuck in their head for hundreds of years.
So now they get to put out twelve inches of
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slave as a thing for just like as you mentioned,
for for twelve years of slave, or this this fear
of any kind of movement that we have in a
positive direction where you saw like that film that was
called Black Wives Matter. These feelings and perceptions, yeah, they're
they're they're rooted in all of these fears and racist
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ideas that they've had of us for years and years.
And if you look at a lot of the stereotypes
of black people, they are also based on what they
did to us on the plantation and kind of how
they manifest themselves in the world today. So I think
something that's really important when you said, like, what are
we doing to fix this? Hopefully the work that we do,
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I hope that changes the industry, but so much more
important to us is helping us realize our range of
sex and sexuality, and I say our black and brown
people who also are terribly impacted by these stereotypes, not
just from like oh, I can't find anything to watch imporn,
but I don't have any reflection of what I'm supposed
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to be like sexually. You know, we talk about folks
that are on some of these sets and can't walk
off that they don't have, you know, the means to
be able to make that type of financial decision, how
that leaves their psyche. We deserve to be a part
of this industry just like anyone else. If this is
how we would like to monetize our body. Some people
want to type for a living, some people want to
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you know, play sports, act what have you. We choose
to have sex and to do sexual acts for a living.
We deserve to be in this industry without harm. We
want our population to be able to type in uh,
you know, black couples in romance, B D S M, kinky,
black and kinky, and see something where they are not
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the fetish, that there's an actual act of kink and
fetish of sex that doesn't have to be degrading, that
doesn't fall into these racist tropes. That allows us to
see other types of bodies interacting with each other, people
from different walks of life. You know, just so many
different expressions that unfortunately we don't see. UM. The other
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work that we're doing at Royal Fetish Films are we
are sticking it to these larger, larger companies. We're going
on their pages and we are consulting with them, in
letting them, letting helping them understand that if you can't
see it for yourself, see for your bottom line, your
your search engines, all your algorithms show that people want
to see us in film. And when I look at
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your site and you know, point me to your premium
content or your front page, all I see are white
women that are of a certain uh certain size and
appear to be of a certain age, a younger age,
and that is that's a mismatch. You're not even marketing
to your consumers. You're not marketing to what people are
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are looking for. We're challenging them to um see the
black dollar in the adult industry. It's important for us
to help our people be represented, to see themselves because
the way that you what you see important. UM. We
know that it's a primary source for sex education because
there is no sex education in this country. So you know,
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if people are gonna learn there, I want to make
sure that my interactions, my sexual interactions, aren't based on
somebody's terrible education that they got from, you know, the
front page of one of these tube sites. Um, if
people are going to learn that this is this is
how I have sex, Like, it's important in our films
where we are showing people are having conversation about what
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kind of sex actually want to participate, that you have
autonomy of your body that you you know, can be
bound and suspended and checked on, and showing that on
camera and consent and intimacy and closeness and conversation through
the actual process of intercourse. I mean our ship ranges
(34:37):
from sabio sexual all the way to like hardcore BDSM
and everything in between because black sexuality is all of that.
And there were so many times people would say stuff
to us like that's some white people ship, and we
would challenge that and like, no, it's not. You really
think people only started this way within the last three
or four years. No, our people have been spanking each
(34:58):
other on the ask for thousands of years. You know
what I'm saying, open your mind, you know. So that's
what really got us into like how can we decolonize
these ideas and and open up our people's minds and
do it in a beautiful way, Because sometimes when you
look at mainstream porn, if be looking like they don't
even give some coconut oil to not be ashy on
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set because they don't know how to make our bodies
look good anyway, you know what I'm saying, From the
lighting to coconut oil, the wigs, the makeup, you know,
all of it. And having things that reflect our culture,
like music that you actually wanted to playing in the
background instead of whatever it sounds like, you know from
back in the day. We try to make everything that
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reflects our culture and who we are. Stacy, I guess
the challenge we have is trying to figure out a
way to make everything they just said funny. Yeah, how
do you dig and navigate the seriousness of this topic?
It's still find room from hum for humor. Other been
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getting me to talk to Dr Marty Klein in the
segment who said if I and I'm I'm gonna paraphrase,
but he basically said, if you're into some ghetto ass porn.
It doesn't mean you're racist. It's the fetish. That's just
what you're into. It's not that big of a deal.
I think that anybody who reads racism into pornography, they're
(36:20):
just prejudiced about certain kinds of sexual fantasies. These are
real titles. Oh my God, a black man banged my
daughter in the ass black bull for higher King Kong's
Ding Dong. It's a fantasy. It's easy to find humor
in some in something with such an outrageous counterpoint of view,
But like, what were some of the other ways that
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you're able to find humor? And working with you helps.
You're very good at making depressing subject matters funny, which
is the gift. And but he, I think when people
are stupid and say, you know, terrible things, it's I
think it's taking their logic and flipping it on them.
So I think you did a good job of that.
When he was like, it's just a fantasy, like Star
(37:03):
Wars or whatever, and you're like, okay, so let me
get this straight. If I saw a white woman and
I said, hey, you crack a bit. You've got some
big as breaths, well, the squeeze up. That would be racist. Yes,
but if I had an erection while I said it
to him, that's fantasy. It's a fantasy. It's like Star Wars.
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Porn is like Star Wars. It's not really when he
says those words out be out there like he sounds.
So I think one way to find the humor is
just like these people that are so narrow minded, taking
their logic and taking it to the absurd extreme and
you know, flipping it to that point Jasmine King, then
to to Dr Marty Klein, it's just fantasy. When do
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these fantasies cross a line? Like how like is it
about being tactful and showing only white like if I
only want my white woman with white men. But also
do we like like like you're not like going YouTube
after you watch three videos, you gotta watch fifteen second
pop up? Do we show the fifteen seconds beter racial
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back today? Like I think I think one of the
things is like if you just think about it, if
you went to the Daily Show and was like, I
don't want to work with any Chinese people today, you
would not have a job tomorrow. No, you know what
I'm saying. But but in porn people say I'm not
working with any black people, and that might not even
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just mean someone on camera. That could be there's no
black director or black key grip or whatever, you know
what I'm saying. So that's one thing. And then also
as like, you know, have you ever heard the term
queen of spades? No? No, later, So queen of spades
is some racist that ship, but it's white women who
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will only sleep with black men, and a lot of
them they get this tattoo of a queue with with
a spade, and anytime you see the que by itself,
it's usually a problem. So alphabet but so but the tattoo,
because it's it's kind of like this his this whole
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like a branding. It's it's like but it's it's it's
more like a white Lives matter, sir in a way,
because you know if someone called if someone walk up
to me and called me a spade in the street,
we fight. You know what I'm saying, Like spade has
been it's it's a racist term. So basically it's like
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I'm a queen of spades. So it kind of goes
back to that history that I'm talking about from the
plantation because a lot of times people only talk about
overseers and slave masters raping slaves. Mistresses did the same thing,
you know, So it's rooted in that same thing, like
these black men serve my pleasure, that's it. None of
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the black men that they were with are they talking
about his intellect, his creativity, his love for fine arts.
It's literally, he is here to pleasure me, and that's
all the purpose that he serves. And then going back
to the klient thing, it's like when you if you
have a fantasy that is rooted in something that in
the world is taking people's lives, it's problematic. I like
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to use people's fantasies as a way of helping them
understand like things outside of their fantasies. Right, So when
I'm working with therapists on how to use point in practice,
it's like, what does the point that you watch? What? Um?
What does it say about about you? How do you
feel when you watch it? Right? Does it um? You know,
if you're only watching this particular style, why is that?
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What is it telling you? Are informing you about those people?
If it's like a specific type of people that you watch,
you know, is it an attraction? What are you attracted
to are you fetishizing in the person? Are you letting
out an aggression towards that person during that time? Is
it because you're curious? Um? And and then helping them
explore what would that fantasy look like outside of the fantasy.
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Is there someone at work that you never speak to, UM,
but you just go home and like you know, Google,
I don't know the janitor or something along those lines, Um,
what would that interaction be like? Can you interact with
someone in a way that is not hyper sexualized or
fetishized m or is your only connection, like King said,
through these stereotypes? So you know, there is when when
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people are sharing, if they're willing to share about their
racist sexual fantasies, and I know we can be so
quick to just want to shut them off and call
them racist, and that would be true and that is okay.
But if you do have like the capacity to go
a little bit further, is to you know, help them
become curious about why that is and how that is
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really shaping their ideas about these people in reality. When
you said that janitor thing, and maybe you think of
this this one site, it's like a mental institution and
the men play doctors and the women are patients, right,
And so I had got booked for this site, and
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so like I go on their Twitter the day before
and they're like shopping for the scene and they're getting
stuff from like home depot. They're getting like, you know,
like the big yellow mop tubs and stuff like that
and mops and ship and so I hit my agent.
I'm like, can you ask them what what role they
have me playing in this? And then so they were like,
you're gonna be the janitor. It was like never I
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was going to be the first black man on their
site and they were like, nah, you're gonna play the janitor.
Why can't you be a doctor that also has sex
with the patients unethically? Well, after the break, we're gonna
bring it home and ask a single question, who else
can help y'all make the change? And who is responsible
(42:59):
for helping you all clean up this racism and pulling
This has been a good discussion to us far. Let
me do a little research in the second tad while
we go through this break. This is beyond the scenes,
would be right back beyond the scenes. This has been
a wonderful conversation. I knew it would be serious stacy,
But I just didn't know it would be so heavy
(43:20):
and rich with just knowledge and just folks straightening this
stuff out because you know, Jasmine as a therapist, like,
you have to approach this from a like like you can't.
You don't have the ability to just yell at white
people in white timing. It's racist and you'll need to stop.
You have to like get into the idiosyncratic aspects of
(43:40):
the well, the finances. It'll make more money. Did you
know that your consumers would also enjoy, like talk a
little bit about that aspect of it, of trying to
turn the corner with people who don't understand just how
damaging and emotionally corrosive this is for everybody who's taken
a part of right. So a couple of things. One is, um,
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I really want to give props to The Daily Show
for doing that segment that was probably risk a um.
Even though y'all touch upon a lot of a lot
of controversial topics, you know, when it comes to porn,
that usually is an area that everybody can go like,
you know, we all watch it, but we all pretend
that we don't and that it's dirty and its growth
and I use the clip UM in our presentations when
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we're talking about the colonizing sects, as well as educating
therapists and medical providers on how they can communicate with UM,
you know, with their clients in using adult entertainment so UM.
You know, it's like using something that we know everybody
watches the Daily Show and being like see, people are
talking about it in mainstream and you know even they're
able to make the connection. So of course you can
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at your higher level make this connection for your for
your folks, and also challenge your own attitudes and behaviors
on sex, specifically by what you watch UM and how
that perpetuates in your work that you do. But our work,
you know, we draw it out even beyond pouring into
sex work, right because people who produce UM, who perform
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in porn and produce porn, our sex workers. And it's
really important for us to normalize sex work. So when
we are talking to and we provide education to therapists,
medical providers, even realtors, like how you y'all are missing
out on a population of folks that are looking for
safe places to live UM and affordable. You know, they
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take their money, but in order to take their money.
They have to trust you, right, and you have to
legitimize the work that we're doing invalidatus, and and a
lot not discriminate. So oftentimes I'm always coming at it
from the perspective of like we are a huge population.
There's someone in your family that engages in sex work, um,
(45:49):
and if they don't, they probably will looking at the
projections of the economy right now, right, so go ahead
and do something. A lot of people only think pandemic
only fans shot it shows in but we need to
go back to the bank on that. Only fans. I've
(46:09):
seen them numbers, I said, Man, let me go give
me some big nick peels. You don't even have to
do that. Every everybody is there's somebody for everybody. There
are coins. I heard Trevor no. I heard Trevor no.
I was leaving the Daily Shots and man, let me
see it. The only fan no really, So you know
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it's it has been so important for us to normalize
sex work, normalize porn right that you watch it and
you should feel good about watching it. It's a form
of entertainment just like everything else. When you you know,
we should be able to watch it with the sound on.
You should be able to watch it without being offended.
You should be able to find a reflection of yourself
and so um really helping the consumer, like take some
(46:55):
charge of what they're consuming. You don't have to just
eat it because it's in one of you. There is
a menu that's out there, and we help them learn
how to shop for it. So you know, Royal fetish
xxx dot com, go check it Royal Fetish x x
x dot com. Who is responsible for making effective change?
You know, we've talked about the production companies. We talked
(47:18):
about the way a website will take a video that
ain't even what the slug title says. It is just
because they know to get someone to click on it
and stay within the site, so they'll augment the title
of something that our production company made. Or is it
the consumer? What responsibilities do the consumer? Like? Who is who?
(47:38):
Who could help? Who was the next person to join you?
Like when Batman Winning got Commissioner Gordon to help him
clean up Gotham? Who is the next person? Is that
the consumer? Is that the production company? Is that the
website and the distributors, Like I'll start I'll start with
you King. I think it's everybody to be honest, but
I think it's very important the work that we do
(47:59):
to inform the consumer of how to purchase non racist
and ethically made porn. So you know, if somebody doesn't
know that they can go to Royal Fetish or doesn't
know the other sites that they can go to where
they can find content that is not only you know,
pro everybody and non racist, but also where they can
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go where they know that the performers are are involved
in acts that they enjoy, um that they're not, they're
are some you know, desperation, then they'll make the right decision.
It's like that scene with Elijah Muhammed talent Malcolm X.
If you choose between the dirty water and the clean water,
people are gonna choose the clean water and people I
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might not want to think of porn as clean and
dirty water, but there it's some porn with clean water
out there that you can find that has all the
things that you're looking for, that that involved all your
fantasies and show you different routes of pleasure, but you
can do it in an ethical way. Yeah, it's all
parties involved. Everybody that is benefiting from from porn. So
the production companies need to stop being lazy, like fix
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the template. The scenes need to be more reflective of
the people that are in them and the people that
are watching them. Um, the performers. I definitely feel like
we have a responsibility to have some advocacy, some self
advocacy and draw the picket line somewhere. You know, not
everybody could jump off set, but you could try to negotiate.
You can be upfront with what you're comfortable with before
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having that that little bit of racism sprinkled on you,
right like you mentioned, um, so go in, go into
those situations already describing you know what your boundaries are. Um.
I think the consumers also need to follow the performers
directly and um you know, I say the easiest way
for the consumers to to engage with work that they
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could feel good about is if the performer is promoting it.
Usually we're not going to promote something that didn't make
us feel good on set, or that we're not proud of,
or that we didn't have um uh consent in in
the labeling of it. Right, so you know, if you're
gonna watch something like, get to know the performers and
this helps us also humanize the industry itself. It's like, oh,
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I like what King had to say. Okay, go find
his work and look at what he's promoting and purchase
that or watch those scenes, because more than likely we
are going to again promote the things that we feel
good about. And then finally, I do think it is
the advertisers. They're making money off of our backs, but
they're not willing to hear our demands. So it's really
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important that advertisers stopped pouring money into sites that are
acknowledged won't acknowledge that this stuff is problematic and that
it needs to be removed. So yeah, and if you
see stuff like the same way you can. I think
for consumers, I don't want to put so much responsibility
when people are like anxious to have orgasm that they
have to like stop and write a letter before they
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can engage in the work. Right. Um. But one of
the things that you can do the way that we
touch all forms of social media and content is like
don't like it, like report it right or just put
it thumbs down and keep it moving if you have to. Um.
So it's a small way, but it lets people know
that are putting a ship out that it's like, oh,
this didn't do so well, something about it. Maybe I
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should take the racial slur out of it. You know
what we need, Stacy, we need we need like a ethical,
ethical poorn logo. You know they've got that recycled logo
like the organic like, yeah, you didn't murder nobody to
make this product. And then yeah, well, thank you all
(51:38):
so much. That's all the time we have for today.
Thank you to our guest Stacy King Jasmine. Thank you
all for going beyond the scenes with me. Now I
appreciate open up these tabs that I had minimized. Real
quick play the theme music. Just go h. Listen to
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Hey, welcome to be on the scenes, the podcast that
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The Daily Show. That this is what you gotta think
about this podcast as like, this podcast is like a
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that homemade dish that that only your mama knows how
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pass it on to anybody because she don't want you
(00:28):
all to be happy after she dies. And you could
really do the recipe justice, but you know, but your
mama be hating good. It is what it is. So yeah,
that's what this podcast is. I'm Roy Wood Jr. And
today we're talking about a segment we filmed back in
that asked a very important question. It's the porn industry
(00:48):
racist roll the clip. Well no, not that porn clip
roller Daily Show clip about point, don't roll the point
trying to keep our license. There was definitely racism on
the point. This is the only business in the world
where a female can say yea when they to a
person just because of the colors. Black men are particularly
(01:12):
portrayed in porn is being thugs, criminals. What do you
black men doing in the health. Black women are portrayed
as extremely ghetto. The titles are racist itself. The porn
industry will take anything painful to black people and just
add a pair of titties, Black wives Matter, twelve inches
of slave help. They even remade roots cute girls we
(01:38):
killed around here. Anybody that would say that there is
a racism and porn really needs to be slapped out
of Today. I'm joined by segment director Stacy Angels, who
helped produce this piece. Stacy, how you doing, old friends?
I'm great, Roy. I always love talking about porn with you. Well,
thank you. I'm happy that you're the only person I
(01:59):
talked about for him with at work as well. Hello, Hr,
I know you're listening. Uh. Also joining us for this
conversation are adult entertainers, life partners and business partners. They're
co creators of the adult film production company Royal Fetish Films.
She is a licensed clinical therapist. Please welcome jet Setting
Jasmine to the program. Jet Setting, How you doing, Madam,
(02:22):
Jet Madam? Madam? Okay, we'll take it. And also your
partner in business and your partner in real life, King
Noir King, how you doing? Good to be here? Now
I'm excited to hear about some stories of racism, because
you know, that's what I love talking about as a
black person. But first, Stacy, I know how this piece
(02:47):
kind of came to be. I don't remember who else
was in on the inception of it, but I do
remember Trayvon Free coming into my office and he just goes, hey, man,
you want to meet mister Stone? But sure, why not?
I'll keep in mind. Up until that point, the pieces
(03:10):
I had done were Police reform Um, the twentieth anniversary
of the Million Man March, embedding on the election. I
was so happy just to do something that was just
completely off the wall. And I if I recall, you
were relatively new to the show, So what did you
think when they brought this piece to you? No, I
was super new, and so it was my going to
(03:31):
be my third piece. So I think there were five
pieces floating around. And obviously I got drawn to porn
because everybody loves porn, Even people who say they don't
watch porn love porn. But then I saw the story
and I was like, oh, this is a little bit
darker because Trayvon sent me an article that was like
white women were demanding more pay to sleep with black men.
And as disgusting as that was, it was shocking to
(03:53):
me because I don't know, maybe I'm not Eve, but
when I think of the porn industry, I always think
of like sexual, free, open mind, godness. I never thought
that it would be something that had so many boundaries
or whatever. And then when I was researching more on it,
I saw that not only is it racist, that are
like capitalizing on it with the titles and the premises,
(04:14):
and it seemed like a narrative that they were kind
of getting away with. And also I never worked with Roy,
and so it was my first piece of Roy, so
I was very excited about that. Yeah, what did you
find more surprising? Because I'll be honest, like when I
was doing a little bit of the research going into
you know, for the for the listeners um. As a correspondent,
(04:35):
it's very important that you get the backstory on the
topic that you're researching because it makes you a better,
a more adept interviewer when you're speaking with your seeing partners,
if you will, for this particular that we'll call him see.
But the people you're interviewing, you want to know what
they are you're talking about right, and so I just
remember seeing all of these random racist porn titles. We
(04:56):
had a researcher, Devin Devin Leary was with the show
at the time, and she had to watch hours of
porn and find the stereotypes so that we could find
the jokes in him. And so her desk was so popular,
like twelve twelve years of slave like like like just
(05:17):
parties of just popular films. They were just like, yeah,
let's flip that into a porn So was there anything
that shot you about this shoot? I was going to
mention Devin Larry because she's she did all the research
and she was a second producer at the time. She
was amazing, And I said, you know, we need to
find a bunch of porn that has that really banks
on all those stereotypes of black people being criminals, breaking in, thugs,
(05:41):
you know whatever. I and I was thinking she might
have to dig deep, like baby, and it was like instant,
She's like, oh my god, I found one. And the
titles were not even the titles aren't even subtled. They're
just like, oh no, a black man broke into my house.
Oh no, there's a black man inside my wife, Like
they were just it was in an embarrassment of riches,
and it just it was just like so much. She
(06:02):
almost gave me too much stuff. And then that was
like insanely surprising to me. And then the second thing
that was really surprising was hearing things white women were
more willing to do over having sex with the black men,
like triple anal penetration and prostitution and uh, everything was
(06:22):
shocking because, like I was saying earlier, I really thought
it was just open minded industry, which maybe I am
not even that white women will demand more money just
to take that black bone. White girls will ask for double, triple,
quadruple the amount to do an interracial scene. This seems
to be the only industry where a white person could
just straight up go, I ain't working with black people today.
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You couldn't do that. If you work in a fast
food spot, you couldn't just go, who's cooking Stanley? Oh baby,
you got to pay me time and a half if
I'm gonna be working with these negroes. Jasmine, give me
the first time you were on set and you're not
like when you're in the middle of racism, like when
racism is brought in progress and you just be sitting
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there talking to yourself. Can you know what I'm talking
about too? Just like and my experience in this field. Okay, Jaspine,
just hold the chicken and biscuit in your hand and
be okay. And actually he's like, wait a minute, did
he just asked me the whole a chicken wing? And
basically like, walk walk us through. You know, both of you,
walk us through that first time that you discovered the
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level of discrimination that existed in the industry or where
you put up on game about that from the job.
So I think we're both going to be able to
give you a range of examples. And so for me,
I was put up on like the reason why royal
fetish films exists is because as a consumer of porn,
I was like, I can't First of all, I can't
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watch it and listen to you know, I can't listen
to the fake blacks, and I can't listen to the
stereotypical tropes. I can't listen to the chicken and biscuit
jokes like it. It became a form of entertainment for
me that was like, if I'm enjoying this is something
wrong with me and I'm not enjoying it, So why
am I watching it now? Where am I going to
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go to get inspiration to masturbate? Right? So, when King
and I started working together, it was like, we need
to create something that we could feel proud to watch. Um,
And we were hearing this from We're already doing sex
education and hosting parties and um, we were already hearing
this like I don't watch porn specifically from black women
because we don't see ourselves reflected. It's degrading. It's hard
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to feel sexy when you are seeing the lowest representation
of yourself and your people. So I already knew like
whatever we created was going to be something that I
wanted to watch. Now. That being said, as we started
to become more popular, at least for me, people we
are starting to ask me to shoot for their company.
And so I come from uh in this industry, from
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a privileged space where I can say like, no, thank you.
That sounds like I'm going to be sitting there and
exactly how you describe, like I'm in the middle of
some racism. And so I was able to say kind
of no right off the back, and they're like, oh, well,
the scene is going to call for you to do
some twerking. Um, nothing's wrong with working, but you've never
seen me twork. Why would you be casting me for that?
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Like I'm probably not the best person. Like if you
want to see great pointed toes and some modern dance
like sign me up. But for tworking, you know, you're
just kind of making an assumption that because I'm black
and I do porn, that that's what you're gonna get, right. So, Um,
but I will say that what I have seen, and
I've worked enough corporate jobs and for government agencies to
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know that sort of like baseline of racism that's there. Um,
I look at where where the bottom line, where the
dollars roll, and I found that my white counterparts were
getting money for hair, for makeup, and for costuming when
they shoot. And for me, it was like, um, make
sure you bring your own makeup kit and you know
we'll we'll do something with your hair. You know you
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have that style that's so edgy, and um, bring a
couple of Okay, bring a couple of bring a couple
of outfits, and world choose from what you have. And
then later to find out that this is a line
item when my white counterparts shoot, you know, so there
are there's that there's also I have found like even
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leading into this interview, I was like, let me just go,
let me google myself, Let me google myself and the
N word, And because I know I don't say it,
so somebody had to put it out there. And a
lot of my scenes have been licensed using words that
I did not agree to. Now, since those are a
lot of those scenes are older ones, since um we
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got even further up on game, we now make it
a part of our contract that they cannot sell our
scenes using any type of derogatory language because a lot
of times you might be thinking that you're shooting for
a company that has your best interests in mind and
that sees you as whoever you are, and then you know,
three times around, you're in Germany as the black nigger
girl works on big black dick husband or not the
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definitely wouldn't say husband criminal yeah, or ghetto women give
blow jobs to pay their power bill, Like it's always
like why they need the money in the discript so
I've heard, I've never been in any decighted I think
also with with a lot of the times when it
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comes to just that open mindedness of the industry that
Stacy had just mentioned. It might be open minded for
the white performers, like there's a certain level of freedom
that they have even within their titles, but within the
black titles there's this whole desperation that is also put
with it as well. And for me, I have experienced
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all the way from the subtle racism to the I've
been called niggarron set before you know. Um, I was
at the scene. No, it wasn't even in the scene.
I was Rmber. No, it was it was another a former.
She wanted to have sex with me off camera after
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our scene, and I was like, nah, I got things
to do. I was actually about to call Jasmine and
check in on the family, and she catches her attitude
and messages. We had the same agent and she messaged
the agent King is being an uppity nigger to my agent,
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he won't have sex with me off camera. And you
know what uppity means. When they call you uppity, that
just mean you're not doing what white folks want you
to do. Yeah, they're trying to break you exactly. The
company tried to tell me that I should still film
with her. I basically had to tell them nothing that
I shot with her should ever be released. I had
them signed like I wrote some ship on a paper
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right there, and was like, y'all signing this, y'all never
releasing this or it is gonna be a problem. So
then they tried to tell other people in the industry
not to work with me because I because I'm a
problem because I don't want to be called a nigger,
but my costof But if she's a white woman, she
holds more power than you in the industry because white
women are kind of the golden Geese fiscally speaking for
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a lot of these production companies, right, So I want
to challenge that roy The perception, right is that white
women are the gold the Geese they um, And I
think that that's where it's the reflection of society in
the industry. But when you look at what the top
selling genre is, it's inter racial. You cannot have you know,
a white woman alone is not making the top dollar.
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When you look at the top searches, it's inter racial
hentai um milf. Right, So there are certain subsets of
the people that are participating in the industry that actually
are the clickbait they are, you know, So this idea
that you know, white women have specific power in the industry.
It's more of a reflection of our largest society and
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how we see them as um, you know, without without fault,
um to be protected, to be uplifted, to be held
in this prize position. But if we look at the
bottom line, they need to sleep with someone other than
themselves to bring in the highest number of clicks, advertisements
and money. What is the dynamic on set though, Like
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if you're writing Cease and Desists on the back of
a napkin, on set, what is the hr situation? And
that like okay, like let let me break it down,
because all I know is like is like acting on
the set. And there was some time years ago I
played an extra. I played a slave in the background
of a Civil War reenactment. This is like ninety seven
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is my first ever television credit. And we're all dressed
like slaves and it's you know, they're showing Union soldiers
while buying. The director comes over and goes, you know,
could you guys mind like you're clapping like he wanted
us basically to be doing like some humming and singing
around the fire, like singing slave hymnals, and we all
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kind of looked at each other and it was like, yo,
I just kind of want to I'm already dressed like
a slave, my man, Just let me just sit here
and just chill. How much do you get to challenge
when they try to add a little. They try to like,
you agree to one thing and then you get on
set and they try and flip the script, King, like
has ever been a scenario, but they try to come
in and sprinkle a little ready your mind, King, I
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love what you're doing, but let me put racism. Let's
do it again. I mean, those are the times when
you have to make a business decision where it's like
am I comfortable with this and my walking off set?
Am I going to deal with whatever backlash is gonna follow?
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I have walked up set. I have definitely walked up set.
I have had That's what I said. I've dealt with
so many. It's sometimes it would be that type of
racism where it's like I have a lot of black friends.
I grew up with black friends. Like just just recently,
I had this thing where he was this is the director.
This isn't like another the director. The first time I
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ever went into somebody's house and it smelled like Chipland's.
I'm like, what what does that have to do with
anything that we're doing right now? You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying. So but but it's like
stuff like that, and and it did wind up having
to It led to a conversation that I was like,
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I might never work for this company again, but I
need to have this conversation in a way that's not
gonna completely make them be like, you know, angry black man,
but they gotta stop. And it had kind of led
to this thing where I can't go. He was talking
about Atlanta, like some neighborhood. He was like, you know,
white people can't go there, And I was like, where
where in America can't white people go? Y'all own stuff?
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You gotta go. You gotta go to the hood to
collect your rent, or there's a burger king there, or
there's whatever. You know what I'm saying. There's no place
in America that you can't go. But I know if
I'm a my Aubrey and I'm running through a neighborhood,
I know I can't be there. I can't go to
benson Hurst I can't go to sundowntowns. That's that's our reality.
That's not your reality, but it's shaped that way. So
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I had to have this conversation on set with the
director and and I know, like, and at this point
it's just like I'm not in the I'm not in
the mood took after this, I am. I know, like,
I'm like, look, it's not it's not gonna happen to
shoot exactly, It's not gonna happen today. And and trying
to explain that, like you sometimes will have to it's
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not gonna happen for me, and you don't always have to.
Sometimes you're gonna have to put it like I can't
work with you. But sometimes you just gotta. You gotta
take that l And that's the tough part about our
industry because there isn't an HR department that I could say, hey,
you know who who are you going to go to?
With most of these companies, these these are their own
companies or these directors are also the heads and owners
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of their company. Is there a union? Part of me
if this is an ignorant question, but is there like
an actors and for adult entertainers to there there are
some organizations. If there's a Free Speech Coalition UM that
works too to uphold m some forms of advocacy for
performers and UM there's also a guild, but it's very
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very loose. I mean. Part of the issue is that
the porn industry is stigmatized from the rest of the workforce.
I mean we literally have a hashtag that sex work
is work. Right. The only time that we're really recognized
UM as being a part of fiscal part of the
society is taxes. That's the only time you know, is
that what goes into our bank and what comes out
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for taxes. But UM trying to uphold like a discrimination suit,
sexual harassment and those type of things to think about
where what what court are we bringing that to. That
also validates that what we're doing is work, that what
we're doing is consensual, that what we're doing is moral.
UM just sort of thinking about the pandemic that we
are we're still in. I know everyone else is out
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of it, but the UM. There were the PPP loans
that came out for people who you know, had businesses.
We're trying to keep their employees working. We have a
a full production company that we wanted to sustain over
the pandemic and keep people working. But the morality clause,
there's literally a morality clause in these loans that although
we are tax paying, legally producing um producing content, uh
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paying our taxes, etcetera, etcetera, we don't fall into the requirements.
And so, you know, because the structures that are supposed
to be able to support us with taking whether these
are claims up for discrimination, hell hate crimes if you will,
rite being called a nigger on set um, sexual harassment,
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any type of harassment, or the financial discrimination that I
talked about, where my co stars are getting paid more
for the same work, if not less than what I'm doing.
It's really difficult. It's even difficult to find a sex
worker friendly attorney that'll take up your clause. So we
are really off. It's like a marginalized industry with marginalized
people within that industry. It's like we're in the margins
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of the margin stacy we I know, within the piece
we talked a little bit about, you know, how the
porn industry perpetuates racist stereotypes. You know, in the present.
The thing that I hated was that we really weren't
able to get deeper into the history of porn, you know,
in terms of the roots of the racism and all
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of the other different It talked to me a little
bit about some of the pieces and parts that we
wish we would have had space where for the record,
I pitched Porn Part two. But then Trump got elected
and you know, we had we had different priorities within
the building. I mean, I remember initially reading a pitch
about it, being like, we wanted to make this like
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the civil rights movement of the porn industry, making you
like the Martin Luther king of it and trying to um,
you were trying to like you're trying to I think
it was like trying to inspire white women to sleep
with black men to you know, and that stigma everybody though,
because that was the oh you just brought it up. Wait,
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there was also a hashtag. I think there's like a
hashtag black Dogs Matter. Like there was like, remember like
a bunch of absurd ideas that like popped up. If
you're like me, you love good pornography, there's a problem.
Black people are constantly being portrayed as criminals and sexual predators.
Porn companies aren't doing anything to change it. So I
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am for a limited time only see black people getting
portrayed positively and my new porn series Affirmative Actions starring
me Goodwood Jr. Horny. I'm busy, I've run a fortune company.
I do not have time to come home and just
banged you repeatedly. We only had time to focus on
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black discrimination. But then there's also so the issue of Asians,
you know, being presented as subs made yeah, and just oh,
I'm so quiet, and Islamophobia being a big part of it.
And then oh, you're not light skinned black, your Latino
pretending to be a Mexican, so that you want to
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that that happens to me all the time. They'd be like,
can you play Puerto Rican? What does that? Just like
Puerto Ricans a black tool. They just were colonized by
a different language. What what do you want me to do?
And sex differently? Do you talk of the accent or
la chica I am here for they don't? They grand
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like that's a terrible Puerto Rican. Please don't cancel many
Puerto Rican. You're doing it and we can't even so
for for example, um, I'm Filipino and Panamania. Oh my god,
me too. Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt on Filipino, um so,
but you would be casted. You wouldn't be casting as Filipino,
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um and neither in mine, you know. I And I'm fine,
like I know, I'm a black Filipino and a black Panamanian.
But when people ask me, like, you know, what should
we put here? And then when it comes out, it's
still like black black lady, you know? Can I I'm
so sorry this has been like lingering over my mind,
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um king when you were talking about that offensive woman
whatever her name is, I don't remember. We don't have
to name her. How the hell do you perform with
someone after they throw all these offensive racist for marks
at you? How do you perform with them on camera
after that? I don't I I don't personally um for me,
like I said, with with that particular situation, they had
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to remove her from the follow up shoots. But the
and it's funny you mentioned Puerto Rican because when we
I was shooting the rest of the scene, like another
part of this of this film with to other performers,
one who was there for when she said, well, when
the whole thing happened, and the other who they brought
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in to replace her, and then the director yells cut
and then uh, one of the women said, why did
you get mad? I thought you were Puerto Rican and
that and that was the end of my working period,
Like like literally in the middle of I was like,
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I'm done, I'm done. I can't do this no more.
And the craziest ship is they shooting Iowa. So I
had to get out of Iowa after this, after this
racist situation, and there's nobody, there's nobody to connect with Iowa.
After you go through some racist ship. You can't just
talk to the brother next to you because he ain't there.
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Let me find out they got some porn studios in Iowa. Man,
I've been going to It's like in those kind of
situation sation is where I said, like, it's like you're
gonna have to make a not only a business decision,
but there's a certain decision that you have to make
for your own humanity. And it's like, nah, y'all, y'all
gonna have to pay me to kill fee for this
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shoot because this isn't this isn't appropriate, this is a
bad situation. I'm y'all don't deserve my dick no more.
I gotta go home. That's what I tell women too.
After the break, I want to get a little bit
more into the work that you all are doing at
Royal Fetish Films and how are you all helping to
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solve this problem? And we need to talk a little
bit about your boy and Marty Klein Stacy, who was
in the segment do well you do want film didn't
want to interview talking about it's not racism if you
don't want to watch black people on camera have and
said whatever, Marty, we're getting too that after the break,
this is beyond the scenes. We'll be right back beyond
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the scenes. We're talking about racism and porn. A little
segment that I did it back in shot some of
the interviews out there. I didn't know this King and Jasmine,
I didn't know that they like that the point industry,
y'all ran out a nice big, six bedroom house. Each
bedroom is a different universe of a set, and there's
just multiple adult films being shot concurrently, all in one house.
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And I was like, wow, this is a that was
like the most shocking thing because I don't know why.
Just growing up watching porn, I just always thought that
was somebody's real house. Like the concept of a film
set did not register it. I thought they were just
shooting somebody's crib. Actually, me too, that's good, that's good.
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The movie magic right there? Yeah, I like that looked
like a roach on the wall that I know what.
I know what that is. ITBs don't always be clean.
Now you want to know something that's really well, I've
seen a poem one time. I've been in so many
hotel rooms over my in five years of comedy, I
can tell the hotel by the quilt pattern, and I like, oh, no,
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that's a Hampton Inn. I'd be staying at Hampton Inn.
But let's talk about royal fetish films and the work
that you all are hoping to accomplish with that company,
because you know the first thing I want to do.
Let's set the table and just talk about the history
of discrimination and racism and porn and white women saying
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they make less money if they have sex with a
black person, and what it is exactly you all are
trying to undo with with your film company. So I
think a lot of times people like to compartmentalize whatever
industry it is, whether it's porn or music or Hollywood
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film whatever it is, and think that the racism that
exists within it is somehow specific to just that industry,
but it always goes back to the same ship. You know,
America is born, rooted and grew up on racism. You know,
America's number one industry was our ancestors here, you know,
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like just running through the numbers of our worth, our
ancestors worth being worth more than the country and the
and the currency of this country, going back to the
eighteen hundreds, right. But the important part to think about
with the stereotypes that we see in porn is that
those stereotypes were born and how they sold us, how
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they purchased us. And the fact that, for example, like
in Virginia and Maryland, their number one export, if you will,
and crop was our ancestors was black folks, and they
have breeding plantations. So like a lot of times people
talk about tobacco, rice and cotton, but America also had
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breeding plantations that they sold our ancestors on, and they
had specific ways that they did it. So like for example,
black men were a lot of times specific fickly purchased
by the size of our penis. Because whatever these racist
slave owners back in the day they were like, oh,
he'll probably make more babies because his penis is bigger
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or whatever the funk they thought on some horse stallion
type ship exactly exactly. And you know, so that is
one stereotype that we see to this day because if
you look at just percentages across the planet man Dick's range,
there's big and small of all races. But the perception
of black men's penis is being larger is because for
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however long these white men just sat there with black
men on the stage looking at us butt naked and
trying to select our dick size, the ship has been
imprinted on their brain because that's what they look for
in us. It's also what they fear in us because
they have raped so many black women, black men, and
black children over this time. You know, when you look
at just the history of film and the history of entertainment.
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First ever, you know, popular Groundbreak film they say is
Birth of a Nation, you know, and Birth of a
Nation was all about the Clue plus Klan stopping black
men from raping white women. Man Dingo was all about
a slave owner who goes on a trip and was
afraid that the mistress of the house was going to
sleep with his slave man Dingo, because he had been
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raping all these black women on the plantation. And this
is American popular culture. First popular culture in music was
minstrel music. Black white people in black face imitating us.
So all of this stuff culminates important because these fantasies
have been stuck in their head for hundreds of years.
So now they get to put out twelve inches of
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slave as a thing for just like as you mentioned,
for for twelve years of slave, or this this fear
of any kind of movement that we have in a
positive direction where you saw like that film that was
called Black Wives Matter. These feelings and perceptions, yeah, they're
they're they're rooted in all of these fears and racist
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ideas that they've had of us for years and years.
And if you look at a lot of the stereotypes
of black people, they are also based on what they
did to us on the plantation and kind of how
they manifest themselves in the world today. So I think
something that's really important when you said, like, what are
we doing to fix this? Hopefully the work that we do,
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I hope that changes the industry, but so much more
important to us is helping us realize our range of
sex and sexuality, and I say our black and brown
people who also are terribly impacted by these stereotypes, not
just from like oh, I can't find anything to watch imporn,
but I don't have any reflection of what I'm supposed
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to be like sexually. You know, we talk about folks
that are on some of these sets and can't walk
off that they don't have, you know, the means to
be able to make that type of financial decision, how
that leaves their psyche. We deserve to be a part
of this industry just like anyone else. If this is
how we would like to monetize our body. Some people
want to type for a living, some people want to
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you know, play sports, act what have you. We choose
to have sex and to do sexual acts for a living.
We deserve to be in this industry without harm. We
want our population to be able to type in uh,
you know, black couples in romance, B D S M, kinky,
black and kinky, and see something where they are not
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the fetish, that there's an actual act of kink and
fetish of sex that doesn't have to be degrading, that
doesn't fall into these racist tropes. That allows us to
see other types of bodies interacting with each other, people
from different walks of life. You know, just so many
different expressions that unfortunately we don't see. UM. The other
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work that we're doing at Royal Fetish Films are we
are sticking it to these larger, larger companies. We're going
on their pages and we are consulting with them, in
letting them, letting helping them understand that if you can't
see it for yourself, see for your bottom line, your
your search engines, all your algorithms show that people want
to see us in film. And when I look at
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your site and you know, point me to your premium
content or your front page, all I see are white
women that are of a certain uh certain size and
appear to be of a certain age, a younger age,
and that is that's a mismatch. You're not even marketing
to your consumers. You're not marketing to what people are
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are looking for. We're challenging them to um see the
black dollar in the adult industry. It's important for us
to help our people be represented, to see themselves because
the way that you what you see important. UM. We
know that it's a primary source for sex education because
there is no sex education in this country. So you know,
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if people are gonna learn there, I want to make
sure that my interactions, my sexual interactions, aren't based on
somebody's terrible education that they got from, you know, the
front page of one of these tube sites. Um, if
people are going to learn that this is this is
how I have sex, Like, it's important in our films
where we are showing people are having conversation about what
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kind of sex actually want to participate, that you have
autonomy of your body that you you know, can be
bound and suspended and checked on, and showing that on
camera and consent and intimacy and closeness and conversation through
the actual process of intercourse. I mean our ship ranges
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from sabio sexual all the way to like hardcore BDSM
and everything in between because black sexuality is all of that.
And there were so many times people would say stuff
to us like that's some white people ship, and we
would challenge that and like, no, it's not. You really
think people only started this way within the last three
or four years. No, our people have been spanking each
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other on the ask for thousands of years. You know
what I'm saying, open your mind, you know. So that's
what really got us into like how can we decolonize
these ideas and and open up our people's minds and
do it in a beautiful way, Because sometimes when you
look at mainstream porn, if be looking like they don't
even give some coconut oil to not be ashy on
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set because they don't know how to make our bodies
look good anyway, you know what I'm saying, From the
lighting to coconut oil, the wigs, the makeup, you know,
all of it. And having things that reflect our culture,
like music that you actually wanted to playing in the
background instead of whatever it sounds like, you know from
back in the day. We try to make everything that
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reflects our culture and who we are. Stacy, I guess
the challenge we have is trying to figure out a
way to make everything they just said funny. Yeah, how
do you dig and navigate the seriousness of this topic?
It's still find room from hum for humor. Other been
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getting me to talk to Dr Marty Klein in the
segment who said if I and I'm I'm gonna paraphrase,
but he basically said, if you're into some ghetto ass porn.
It doesn't mean you're racist. It's the fetish. That's just
what you're into. It's not that big of a deal.
I think that anybody who reads racism into pornography, they're
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just prejudiced about certain kinds of sexual fantasies. These are
real titles. Oh my God, a black man banged my
daughter in the ass black bull for higher King Kong's
Ding Dong. It's a fantasy. It's easy to find humor
in some in something with such an outrageous counterpoint of view,
But like, what were some of the other ways that
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you're able to find humor? And working with you helps.
You're very good at making depressing subject matters funny, which
is the gift. And but he, I think when people
are stupid and say, you know, terrible things, it's I
think it's taking their logic and flipping it on them.
So I think you did a good job of that.
When he was like, it's just a fantasy, like Star
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Wars or whatever, and you're like, okay, so let me
get this straight. If I saw a white woman and
I said, hey, you crack a bit. You've got some
big as breaths, well, the squeeze up. That would be racist. Yes,
but if I had an erection while I said it
to him, that's fantasy. It's a fantasy. It's like Star Wars.
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Porn is like Star Wars. It's not really when he
says those words out be out there like he sounds.
So I think one way to find the humor is
just like these people that are so narrow minded, taking
their logic and taking it to the absurd extreme and
you know, flipping it to that point Jasmine King, then
to to Dr Marty Klein, it's just fantasy. When do
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these fantasies cross a line? Like how like is it
about being tactful and showing only white like if I
only want my white woman with white men. But also
do we like like like you're not like going YouTube
after you watch three videos, you gotta watch fifteen second
pop up? Do we show the fifteen seconds beter racial
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back today? Like I think I think one of the
things is like if you just think about it, if
you went to the Daily Show and was like, I
don't want to work with any Chinese people today, you
would not have a job tomorrow. No, you know what
I'm saying. But but in porn people say I'm not
working with any black people, and that might not even
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just mean someone on camera. That could be there's no
black director or black key grip or whatever, you know
what I'm saying. So that's one thing. And then also
as like, you know, have you ever heard the term
queen of spades? No? No, later, So queen of spades
is some racist that ship, but it's white women who
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will only sleep with black men, and a lot of
them they get this tattoo of a queue with with
a spade, and anytime you see the que by itself,
it's usually a problem. So alphabet but so but the tattoo,
because it's it's kind of like this his this whole
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like a branding. It's it's like but it's it's it's
more like a white Lives matter, sir in a way,
because you know if someone called if someone walk up
to me and called me a spade in the street,
we fight. You know what I'm saying, Like spade has
been it's it's a racist term. So basically it's like
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I'm a queen of spades. So it kind of goes
back to that history that I'm talking about from the
plantation because a lot of times people only talk about
overseers and slave masters raping slaves. Mistresses did the same thing,
you know, So it's rooted in that same thing, like
these black men serve my pleasure, that's it. None of
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the black men that they were with are they talking
about his intellect, his creativity, his love for fine arts.
It's literally, he is here to pleasure me, and that's
all the purpose that he serves. And then going back
to the klient thing, it's like when you if you
have a fantasy that is rooted in something that in
the world is taking people's lives, it's problematic. I like
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to use people's fantasies as a way of helping them
understand like things outside of their fantasies. Right, So when
I'm working with therapists on how to use point in practice,
it's like, what does the point that you watch? What? Um?
What does it say about about you? How do you
feel when you watch it? Right? Does it um? You know,
if you're only watching this particular style, why is that?
(40:47):
What is it telling you? Are informing you about those people?
If it's like a specific type of people that you watch,
you know, is it an attraction? What are you attracted
to are you fetishizing in the person? Are you letting
out an aggression towards that person during that time? Is
it because you're curious? Um? And and then helping them
explore what would that fantasy look like outside of the fantasy.
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Is there someone at work that you never speak to, UM,
but you just go home and like you know, Google,
I don't know the janitor or something along those lines, Um,
what would that interaction be like? Can you interact with
someone in a way that is not hyper sexualized or
fetishized m or is your only connection, like King said,
through these stereotypes? So you know, there is when when
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people are sharing, if they're willing to share about their
racist sexual fantasies, and I know we can be so
quick to just want to shut them off and call
them racist, and that would be true and that is okay.
But if you do have like the capacity to go
a little bit further, is to you know, help them
become curious about why that is and how that is
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really shaping their ideas about these people in reality. When
you said that janitor thing, and maybe you think of
this this one site, it's like a mental institution and
the men play doctors and the women are patients, right,
And so I had got booked for this site, and
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so like I go on their Twitter the day before
and they're like shopping for the scene and they're getting
stuff from like home depot. They're getting like, you know,
like the big yellow mop tubs and stuff like that
and mops and ship and so I hit my agent.
I'm like, can you ask them what what role they
have me playing in this? And then so they were like,
you're gonna be the janitor. It was like never I
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was going to be the first black man on their
site and they were like, nah, you're gonna play the janitor.
Why can't you be a doctor that also has sex
with the patients unethically? Well, after the break, we're gonna
bring it home and ask a single question, who else
can help y'all make the change? And who is responsible
(42:59):
for helping you all clean up this racism and pulling
This has been a good discussion to us far. Let
me do a little research in the second tad while
we go through this break. This is beyond the scenes,
would be right back beyond the scenes. This has been
a wonderful conversation. I knew it would be serious stacy,
But I just didn't know it would be so heavy
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and rich with just knowledge and just folks straightening this
stuff out because you know, Jasmine as a therapist, like,
you have to approach this from a like like you can't.
You don't have the ability to just yell at white
people in white timing. It's racist and you'll need to stop.
You have to like get into the idiosyncratic aspects of
(43:40):
the well, the finances. It'll make more money. Did you
know that your consumers would also enjoy, like talk a
little bit about that aspect of it, of trying to
turn the corner with people who don't understand just how
damaging and emotionally corrosive this is for everybody who's taken
a part of right. So a couple of things. One is, um,
(44:01):
I really want to give props to The Daily Show
for doing that segment that was probably risk a um.
Even though y'all touch upon a lot of a lot
of controversial topics, you know, when it comes to porn,
that usually is an area that everybody can go like,
you know, we all watch it, but we all pretend
that we don't and that it's dirty and its growth
and I use the clip UM in our presentations when
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we're talking about the colonizing sects, as well as educating
therapists and medical providers on how they can communicate with UM,
you know, with their clients in using adult entertainment so UM.
You know, it's like using something that we know everybody
watches the Daily Show and being like see, people are
talking about it in mainstream and you know even they're
able to make the connection. So of course you can
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at your higher level make this connection for your for
your folks, and also challenge your own attitudes and behaviors
on sex, specifically by what you watch UM and how
that perpetuates in your work that you do. But our work,
you know, we draw it out even beyond pouring into
sex work, right because people who produce UM, who perform
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in porn and produce porn, our sex workers. And it's
really important for us to normalize sex work. So when
we are talking to and we provide education to therapists,
medical providers, even realtors, like how you y'all are missing
out on a population of folks that are looking for
safe places to live UM and affordable. You know, they
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take their money, but in order to take their money.
They have to trust you, right, and you have to
legitimize the work that we're doing invalidatus, and and a
lot not discriminate. So oftentimes I'm always coming at it
from the perspective of like we are a huge population.
There's someone in your family that engages in sex work, um,
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and if they don't, they probably will looking at the
projections of the economy right now, right, so go ahead
and do something. A lot of people only think pandemic
only fans shot it shows in but we need to
go back to the bank on that. Only fans. I've
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seen them numbers, I said, Man, let me go give
me some big nick peels. You don't even have to
do that. Every everybody is there's somebody for everybody. There
are coins. I heard Trevor no. I heard Trevor no.
I was leaving the Daily Shots and man, let me
see it. The only fan no really, So you know
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it's it has been so important for us to normalize
sex work, normalize porn right that you watch it and
you should feel good about watching it. It's a form
of entertainment just like everything else. When you you know,
we should be able to watch it with the sound on.
You should be able to watch it without being offended.
You should be able to find a reflection of yourself
and so um really helping the consumer, like take some
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charge of what they're consuming. You don't have to just
eat it because it's in one of you. There is
a menu that's out there, and we help them learn
how to shop for it. So you know, Royal fetish
xxx dot com, go check it Royal Fetish x x
x dot com. Who is responsible for making effective change?
You know, we've talked about the production companies. We talked
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about the way a website will take a video that
ain't even what the slug title says. It is just
because they know to get someone to click on it
and stay within the site, so they'll augment the title
of something that our production company made. Or is it
the consumer? What responsibilities do the consumer? Like? Who is who?
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Who could help? Who was the next person to join you?
Like when Batman Winning got Commissioner Gordon to help him
clean up Gotham? Who is the next person? Is that
the consumer? Is that the production company? Is that the
website and the distributors, Like I'll start I'll start with
you King. I think it's everybody to be honest, but
I think it's very important the work that we do
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to inform the consumer of how to purchase non racist
and ethically made porn. So you know, if somebody doesn't
know that they can go to Royal Fetish or doesn't
know the other sites that they can go to where
they can find content that is not only you know,
pro everybody and non racist, but also where they can
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go where they know that the performers are are involved
in acts that they enjoy, um that they're not, they're
are some you know, desperation, then they'll make the right decision.
It's like that scene with Elijah Muhammed talent Malcolm X.
If you choose between the dirty water and the clean water,
people are gonna choose the clean water and people I
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might not want to think of porn as clean and
dirty water, but there it's some porn with clean water
out there that you can find that has all the
things that you're looking for, that that involved all your
fantasies and show you different routes of pleasure, but you
can do it in an ethical way. Yeah, it's all
parties involved. Everybody that is benefiting from from porn. So
the production companies need to stop being lazy, like fix
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the template. The scenes need to be more reflective of
the people that are in them and the people that
are watching them. Um, the performers. I definitely feel like
we have a responsibility to have some advocacy, some self
advocacy and draw the picket line somewhere. You know, not
everybody could jump off set, but you could try to negotiate.
You can be upfront with what you're comfortable with before
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having that that little bit of racism sprinkled on you,
right like you mentioned, um, so go in, go into
those situations already describing you know what your boundaries are. Um.
I think the consumers also need to follow the performers
directly and um you know, I say the easiest way
for the consumers to to engage with work that they
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could feel good about is if the performer is promoting it.
Usually we're not going to promote something that didn't make
us feel good on set, or that we're not proud of,
or that we didn't have um uh consent in in
the labeling of it. Right, so you know, if you're
gonna watch something like, get to know the performers and
this helps us also humanize the industry itself. It's like, oh,
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I like what King had to say. Okay, go find
his work and look at what he's promoting and purchase
that or watch those scenes, because more than likely we
are going to again promote the things that we feel
good about. And then finally, I do think it is
the advertisers. They're making money off of our backs, but
they're not willing to hear our demands. So it's really
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important that advertisers stopped pouring money into sites that are
acknowledged won't acknowledge that this stuff is problematic and that
it needs to be removed. So yeah, and if you
see stuff like the same way you can. I think
for consumers, I don't want to put so much responsibility
when people are like anxious to have orgasm that they
have to like stop and write a letter before they
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can engage in the work. Right. Um. But one of
the things that you can do the way that we
touch all forms of social media and content is like
don't like it, like report it right or just put
it thumbs down and keep it moving if you have to. Um.
So it's a small way, but it lets people know
that are putting a ship out that it's like, oh,
this didn't do so well, something about it. Maybe I
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should take the racial slur out of it. You know
what we need, Stacy, we need we need like a ethical,
ethical poorn logo. You know they've got that recycled logo
like the organic like, yeah, you didn't murder nobody to
make this product. And then yeah, well, thank you all
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so much. That's all the time we have for today.
Thank you to our guest Stacy King Jasmine. Thank you
all for going beyond the scenes with me. Now I
appreciate open up these tabs that I had minimized. Real
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