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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to another episode of Big Money Energy, where
we talked to super successful and self made people to
find out exactly how they did it, how they went
from nothing to something. Today I am joined by none
other than author, podcast host and how you know her
absolute trail blazer in the world of fashion, Rebecca Minkoff,
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the Rebecca mink Off who's sitting down with me mere
days before her huge show during the chaos of Fashion
Week in New York City. We discussed pushing boundaries and
taking risks, her thoughts on elevating female voices and perspectives
in the world of business, and how she went from
sleeping on egg crates no joke, to being one of
the most important names in all of fashion. Now let's
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get into it. Welcome to another episode. Thank you so
much for coming. You are awesome and I've been a
huge fan for a really, really, really really really long
time and it's exciting to have you here in fashion week.
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It's Fashion Week, My event is Friday. Why are you?
Why are you here? I'm here because when you request
me in person, Ryan, I have I have to answer
the call. Are you sure? Did you? Maybe you didn't
know that it was gonna be Fashion Week because this
is a little while ago, and yeah, I'm positive, but
I was like, you know what, I'm not. I'm only
in town for a week before I go back to Florida,
where I'm temporarily residing, and I need to do this.
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This is my week? Got it? Well? Thank you for
being here? Crazy? Are you losing your mind right now?
I am so. Are you one of those people who's
like kind of like me, like calm on the outside,
but there's a lot happening on the inside. Yes, But
I found that writing down notes analog style, like on
a notebook really helps me. And this satisfaction of crossing
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things off my list makes me feel as stressed. So
we are launching it at New York Fashion Week at
Spring Studios, That's where the hub is, and we are
selling prints that we made of the action, a capsule
collection as n f T S if anyone needs to
google that can um and the proceeds are going to
be going towards the grant to female found of business
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is impacted by the pandemic in New York City? Is
that all your concept that you put together? Yeah? So
I began reading about n f T S early last
year I saw that luxury dove in and I thought,
you know what, We're always known as a brand for
pushing boundaries, and this should be how we launched it.
Everyone's coming back to fashion Week. We showed through the pandemic,
but we have to do something different. It can't just
be models in a collection. So we shot a campaign
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with a legendary photographer and decided to do a gallery
like event and work to promote n f t S
is a charitable way to give back. That's crazy, And
because it is the anniversary of nine eleven and I
had a charitable component, then I thought, let's do something
now for women who were, you know, really devastated by
this pandemic in New York. You started your business in
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two thousand one, I did, and what month, sept Timber
of two thousand and one one. It's a momentous kind
of anniversary for you right in the business, so it
means a lot. But that was also in probably one
of the toughest times in the history of New York City.
I mean, how does fear play a role in one
your ability to start a business, keep a business going
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and all the ups and downs, But also in kind
of just I guess the business in general. So I've
learned a lot about fear in the last twenty years.
UM my show, my initial fashion Week show with September
two one. Yeah, it was a group show, A bunch
of designers that didn't have enough money banded together to
you know, make it five of us or whatever, to
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you know, make the costs easier. The next day obviously
changed everything, and I had this isle of New York
Shire that was part of the collection that I had
cut up and be dazzled and tied knots and it
was very d I y then, which was cool. I
hope it never comes back. And a couple of weeks later,
so I guess I should back. So I obviously wasn't
thinking about my business at that time. A couple of
days later, my boss, a designer I worked for a
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called me and said, you know what you're doing, go
do it either need with me or you're fired. And
I think I know the answer. So you're fired, but
I'm here for you. And I was like, but wait,
like nine eleven just happened. It's not like people are hiring.
And I said, this is my moment to try my
hand at this business. Um and that shirt because an
actress ward on Jay Leno and he mentioned it was
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all over the weeklies. There was no such thing as
social media, so the power of that was crazy. And
there was one website called Raven Style that sold the shirt.
So I literally would bike down the Green Street on
the corner of Green and Canal, buy the shirts, go home,
make them. And that shirt that I live New York
shirt kept me alive barely. It was like Raman and
avoiding my roommate who I owed, or like three thousand
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dollars in rent for a couple of months, but still
it was that shirt that like open doors for me.
A lot of people reach out to us all the
time and ask about Okay, I'm eighteen years old, now
what do I do? I have a passion or sometimes
they don't have a passion, and I feel like the
answer is always different. Did you have a passion for
fashion when you were like three or is it something
that was developed around parents and friends? It was eight
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um I wanted to address. I wanted to address it
was twenty bucks. My mom said no, but I'll teach
you how to sell. And I was so pissed. And
I have an eight year Alto I say no to
all the time, and she's equally pissed, but she doesn't
take me up on the offer to help her make it. Um.
So I got hooked at the age of eight on
sewing and design. I went to a performer at high school.
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I was in the costume department. The teacher couldn't believe
I cared, so she like taught me draping and pattern
making and the art of design and so again part
of why I felt like I didn't need to go
to college, as I had four hours a day every
day through high school of learning the craft. So my
first year of F I T I probably already had
gotten in high school. Were you ever nervous though about
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how am I actually going to make money? When you
know the percentage of people that actually make it, especially
in New York City getting into fashion. What if it
doesn't work out? What am I going to fall back on?
A year of F F T. I mean that must
have been like from family members tough on, you know,
or were they just like, just do whatever you want? Well?
I did six weeks at f I got it six
six weeks solid, really dedicated there. I think when you're
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that young it's a bit of a mix of naivety, right,
and I had nothing to fall back on, So it's
not like I had to fear anything, right. I knew
that if it didn't work out, I guess I'd go
back home and be a receptionist at my dad's office
or I don't know. I just for me, I was like,
I have to give it my all. And back then,
the pay for me was the experience, and it was
the exciting, Like everything was exciting, and so it wasn't
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about money, and I didn't care if I ate bagels
or pizza. That was what I could afford to eat
and whatever. So that feeling you had when you first
moved to New York where you didn't have to make
money because you just wanted the experience and it was exciting,
and what's the worst thing that can happen, You're gonna
move home like that, that was the same thing for me,
Like I came to New York City at a little
money saved up. I gave myself two years and what
was the worst thing that could happen? I could move home,
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and at the time it was Colorado, But that was
by far like the worst thing because if I went
home to Colorado, Like what was I? I would never
come back, and I knew that if you make it
in New York, I would figure it out. Even if
it wasn't the initial plan. You stuck with the initial plan.
I totally went a different way. But something that I
think about a lot is I was able to make
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super bold and daring decisions at that time because the
repercussions were so insignificant when you look at life as
a whole. Like Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy the day
I got into the business, right and so but I
I had no money. I didn't have a stock portfolio.
You know, everyone else was crying and watching CNBC and
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I was like, man, real estate must be hard. Like
I had no idea. How do you bring that kind
of naivete back into your life when there is a
lot on the line. And I feel like you're someone
who's kind of hope. I mean kind of figured that
out a bit because you're always launching something new, You're
always pushing boundaries. You're about to do an n f
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T Fashion Week show in your twentieth year anniversary, Like
is that what keeps you kind of like up against
the wall. I think it's a couple of things. Obviously,
as your responsibilities grow. I know you have a family,
I have one to thing. You have three times the family.
I have three times the family. Yes, I do. It's insane. Um.
I think obviously the risks you take have to be
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waited a bit more. But I think for me, my
my big low moment, my big that sort of put
everything for me in perspective was a couple of years ago.
I was in Paris for sales of the collection. I
was celebrating with my former president. We were drinking champagne
and eating at Lavenue in this fantastic setting, and we
get an email from our bank that was basically like,
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we're not advancing you any more funds. You're cut off,
which meant we couldn't pay the factory, which meant we
couldn't chip the collection, which means bankruptcy. And you know,
the bank also has a lean on my house. So
I was like, cool, they're going to take that too,
And I as I'm having panic attack, like I'm going
to lose everything, I just said, you know what, they
can't take my kids, they can't take my husband. And
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I know that if I started something once I can
start it again, and that for me was a more
security than any money in the bank. And I'm not
saying it wouldn't suck to lose everything. It would really,
if I can swear, it would really fucking suck. But
I knew that I could rebuild, and I knew the
things I'm most precious to me no one can steal
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today maybe maybe in the future, who knows um. And
so I look through that lens now like, I'm never
going to take a risk that's gonna put my company
out of business. But you know, I think we've been
given permission from our industry as innovators. And sometimes things
work and sometimes they don't, you know, they and a
teething could be a flop and no one wants to
buy the goods of the auction, but it could also
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be the beginning of something great for contemporary American fashion designers.
So I think for us, I thrive on the risk. Now.
I don't have the fear because you know, a art
wise man who was a consultant for us, pointed out,
He's like, every time you tried to go with the
pack and do what the fashion industry said, you didn't
achieve anything, and any time you went your own way,
you did, and so I know for us, our own
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way is the solution, and that involves a lot of risk.
How many people work for you now I have seven?
And it started just you and your brother. Originally in
two thousand one, it was just me. It was me
for four years, struggling doing the apparel thing, making everything myself.
I had a little racket going where a publicist would
call me and say, editors are looking for this. I'd
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go home and make it. I deliver it to him.
He would get into magazine and we would credit the
one website who would be like, you got to buy
a couple in advance and loan me the money so
I can go buy the fabric because it's going to
run in the magazine. So I had this like, it's
not a pyramid scheme, but it kind of was. But
everyone was in on it um. And then I launched
the handbag, which was just supposed to be one handbag
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as an accessory to the collection. And that's what took
off in a way that my brother. That's when I
got him involved because I was like, I'm really ter
bull of business. I'm way better now I can go
Toto toto with him, but at the time I just
wanted to design and focus on that. So to take
me back, So you doing it on your own for
four years, Your brother comes into the picture. You had
the shirt, You've got the bag, and then you guys
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have a discussion and say, listen, we could build something
really really big, or hey, this is the business plan,
let's write it together. Or were you kind of just
winging it and creating the supply as the demand came in.
So I'll backtrack a little bit because I think it
sets the scene. Um, my dad had co signed a
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credit card. He was not paying for it, but he
had signed it. That was basically like, if I can't
make the payments, go after him. Yes, I was sixty
dollars in when the bag was about to take off,
and I called him and I was like, Dad, got
another good thing, but people you know like it. You know,
I have an order a bunch of orders for this bag.
And he's like, oh no, we are done here. Like
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call your brother, maybe hell partner with you. So my
brother asked me some basic business one on one questions,
like do you have a bank account, a business bank account?
Tax idea? I was like, why would I have a
business bank account? There's not even enough money in one.
I literally go from bank to bank and open and
closed accounts because I'm always overdrafted. And he was like,
oh my god. So he loaned me bucks to make
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the first round of bags, and then he paid himself
back and so there was no There was never even
a formal like what is he owned? What is I owned?
He just dove in and kind of assess what was heated.
There was no business plan. We could not get a loan,
so the business plan didn't matter. Venture capital was not
a thing then. Um. We only discussed business terms when
things were getting more serious and we were looking at
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taking on an investment, and that was seven years in
and then he was like, oh yeah, I get half
the company. And I was like, oh okay. I didn't
know that's how this is gonna work, but cool. So
that's when those negotiations began. What was that day like
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for you when you had that first big deal. I
was so excited. I have a picture in my phone
yes of me standing by the stores I delivered the
bags and I'm like, how many bags? Was it? It
was probably what was a big order because they had
a lot of stores. It was probably over a hundred bags.
O God, when did you have your first child? Sorry
if you remind me crazy, And how did that change
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your business? It didn't change my business, it changes it
changed how I worked prior to him being born. I worked,
you know, till midnight every night. It didn't matter any
state I needed to be in. I was there. Um
and I even six months into being pregnant, I wasn't
even shorten. I wanted a child. I was accelerating my
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my child rearing journey because my mom said my ovaries
would turn to dust. And I also wanted my parents,
I mean, sorry, my children to know my parents and
have a great relationship with them, because I didn't get
that growing up with my grandparents. And I would text
my husband. He'd be sitting right next to me. I'm like,
why are we doing this? Why are we having a kid?
I don't know if I wanted as pregnant, yes, I
didn't want the baby to here. And he came out,
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fell in love, obsessed. I couldn't believe I ever thought
that should have started earlier. Um, And I said, I
want to be a really present mom, and so I
really cut back my hours and when I say that,
I just went from nine to five or whatever. Um.
And then I made a lot of sacrifices. I said,
if I'm going to travel for more than a couple
of days, baby comes with me. Does that make my
life hell to go to China, Korea, Japan, London, Paris
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with a kid. Yes. But I just was like, you know,
stick in the ground. I'm gonna be the best mother
that I can, and that means being there as much
as possible. So I began to play with my boundaries,
and with each kid, I played with my boundaries more
and more. And someone might be listening saying, well, that's easy,
fields or company. But I never did anything that my
employees can't do. You know, I never took advantage of
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anything that my team can't do. And so I kind
of set the example as the woman that's pumping at
the boardroom or in a cab or with a group
of investors and little things, right of just like this
is important and I want my company values to reflect that.
And that's a big part of your culture statement as well. Yeah,
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it's a huge part of our culture statement. Yeah, women first,
supportive to moms. You've got to go, no questions ask
you know, I don't care where you are, if you're
at a dental appointment or a doctor's visit with your
kid or performance, do you get your job done? It
doesn't matter to me. How has that one? That's awesome?
But to how has that affected the growth then of
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the business, whether it's been in the people you've hired,
or the or the creations, the product, the apparel. So
it's weird. I can't measure what it's done for business.
I can't say that more people have bought my bags
because they like that I promote breastfeeding. I don't know
that I could ever make that correlation. I'll make it
for you. I'm pretty sure it works okay. But I
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will say that the team that I attract, no one
loved the fact that I'm a fierce fighter in that
you know, so fears that We had a woman who
was past child rearing age. You've never had kids like
knocking on the door of my PR person who was pumping,
and I was like, you get away from that door
right now. She's in the middle of something very important
and you schedule with her when you want a meeting.
And she was like wow. So I guess I go
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the opposite direction of most people, and I'm like very
I just want to make sure that women feel supportive
because in the workplace it is not the norm. What
would you tell a seventeen, eighteen, twenty four year old
girl who wants to be an entrepreneur but doesn't think
that that's in the cards for her. I would say
that you are This is gonna sound cheesy. You are
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the person that's going to determine if you get your
own in your own way or not. It is up
to you. And I will also say that the cavalry
is not coming for you. Any great change, any great
forward progress has been because people stick their necks out.
And I'm going to make some extreme examples, but make them.
You know, Susan Fowler who called out Uber on their
sexual discrimination, You think that was easy for her to
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write that op ed rosa arks. You think she was
comfortable set in that part of the bus, not moving
women voting right. You think they liked getting beaten and jailed.
So if you're scared of asking for a raise, asking
for a promotion, calling out someone, or starting your own
journey like it's on you, you know people have done
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much more, had to endure much harder things, and so
I like to look at those extreme examples whenever I'm
a little scared, I'm like, all right, she was beaten
and jailed. Cool. I think I can do an n
f T for a fashion week. Um so I think
you know you have. In my book, I say, sometimes
you win, sometimes you learn. We need to reframe failure
is this thing that you should be scared of and
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always avoiding. The more you fail, the more you're gonna learn,
and you're just stronger for the next time you try something.
Do you think it's also important for people to be
really clear and honest with themselves on their strengths and weaknesses.
I feel like, especially now, people have a really hard
time answering that question, like they don't know what they're
good at. They kind of might know what they're bad at,
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but it's like extreme examples like, oh, I'm bad at football, Okay,
have you ever tried? Probably not? What do you think
you're I don't say what you're better at, but what
do you think your your strengths are that have really
really helped you? Kind of turn the tables on the narrative.
Over the last twenty years. I think what I'm good
at is i'd be a great project manager. I'm really
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good at taking a goal, breaking it up into his
little parts, and then getting it done. Um. You know,
my brother hates that I make hasty decisions, and I
hate that he thinks a ton over every decision. But
that works great, right, because he'll slow me down or
I'll speed him up. Um. But to me, I don't
know who said this, and I hope it's not Mark Zuckerberg,
but like fail fast or something feel hard or whatever,
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fail fast? Okay? Good? Um So I think I know
how to get little steps done that add up to
a big goal. I know I'm terrible at math, and
I should never look at a spreadheet to make a
decision based on that, And I think I agree with you.
When I hired, I hired for my weaknesses. I said,
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what am I terrible at? Those have to be my
hires because I know and then I'm good at PR
and marketing. I haven innate sense of that. Um So
I knew I could win in those things and lose
in other categories and hire great people for that and
don't try to You don't have to be great at everything.
I think it's really awesome when you know what you're
terrible at because you can pay people to do that.
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Do you think you'd be where you were today if
you hadn't come to New York and going to f
I t for six weeks. Definitely not. And when you
said small town, I was born in San Diego, but
I lived in Tampa, Florida, Like small town? Who should
ever make it as a designer from Tampa, Florida, Well,
go Tampa Go Bucks. Super Bowl? Yea, yeah, I've always
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been a Bucks fan, you know, I mean since last year? Definitely. Um.
Do you consider yourself a super competitive person? I've changed
the way I look at competition because I've had enough
women in this industry. So when I started venturing outside
this industry and I was like, wait, there's a glass ceiling.
Women are getting opportunities because a men in my industry.
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Women are getting opportunities because of other women. Like women
are like elbowing and throwing each other under the bus
and ways. I've never seen much more drama, much more bitchiness.
And I was like, Wow, this is really messed up,
and I hate how this feels. So for me, I
don't look at what another person gets as I'm going
to compete with that woman, I go, I also want
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what she has and I want to learn how she
got it so I can get that too. But it's
not her versus me. How has that changed for you though? It?
Were you super competitive and envious when you were starting
or like excited, excited and expired. I was super competitive
and envious. And I remember this woman who had a
much bigger handbag brand than me, who should have hated
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me because I was gaining on her. It was so
nice to me and so gracious to me, And I
was like, Wow, this woman should want to punch me
in the face because I'm taking her business, and she didn't.
And she's ill to this day, one of the nicest people.
And I just was like, that's the example I want
to set, just through kind of gratitude and welcoming in gratitude, welcome.
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How can I help you? Yeah? How do you define
And it's such a loaded question, but how do you
define success? When people say, could you just mean you
told me ten minutes ago you made it, you know,
came from nothing, made it in New York City? What
is making it to you? What is success to you?
And does that definition change every year. It changes every year.
Success to me, again, back when I first started, was
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I didn't have to call my bank account to see
if I could afford to go out to dinner, and
I didn't have to worry that everyone's going to do
that thing at the end of everything, like let's just
divide it, and you're like, but I had a soda,
I can't afford to pay for your salad. Like success meant, okay,
I can just do the splitting thing that never equals out.
You know. Obviously I'm twenty years in and so success
is a lot different to me. Um, But I truly
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think it's it's about being able to enjoy where you're at.
I think people who are entrepreneurs have this sickness of
it's a mirage, right if I just get here and
then I'll enjoy it, And then you get there, you're like, wait,
I thought this would feel better. So success to me
is enjoying the hard, the good, the bad, the nitty
gritty on your way to that goal. I wouldn't be lying.
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And if I said, obviously, being able to pay for
things is great, but that I don't determine that as
my only signifier. Of success is being able to enjoy
the hard work, take the vacation, not do emails on
a weekend. That's success to me. You don't do emails
on weekends, Well, this weekend I did, but I try
not to. Yeah, I had to cut it out of
my life with child number two is just like yeah,
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so if you have another child, you'll see emails on
the weekend are hard. If you could start Rebecca Minkoff
today or let's say, yeah, let's say today, would you
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do things differently? I mean, obviously it's a different time.
It's twenty years later. You're going to be on TikTok
and Instagram and all that anything else you would have
done differently today if you could restart, Yeah, I think
that we had a moment where it was very trendy
to you know, like not trendy. You saw these big
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brands that Kate's bade, the Michael Corps, the Mark Jacobs,
and it was like, go big, sell everything, be as
big as you possibly can, because then you can sell
the company for a billion dollars. And I think we
decided to get onto that path in two thousand and nine,
and it just changes the decisions you make about how
you operate, how much you sell, how big your skew
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count is, and again, don't regret anything. But if I
could do it differently today, there's nothing wrong with a
smaller profitable company that allows and pays for your lifestyle.
Not at first, it will definitely not pay for your
lifestell at first, but later on as you get successful. Um,
because it shouldn't be all about being a slave to
this thing that one day hopefully you'll get your pot
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of gold. You know, I think, and I think today's
younger generation already has a mentality of like, no, I
want to enjoy my life today. I'm not going to
work like a dog hours a week and then put
my head up at forty and go sail off on
a yacht. So I think I would adapt in that
way and to say, what I want to have in
my life, how successful do I need to be to
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pay that? It doesn't need to be like the big
dick contest, no offense of like this is what I
have to do to compete with all the others. Yeah,
no offense taken. You can't say big boobs doesn't sound
as you know he could. Um, you said you hate math,
but are you good with money, bad with money? You're
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glad you have people who understand money around you. In
my business, I'm really glad I have people who understand money.
My personal life, I'm not bad at it. But I
also feel like, Okay, I was raised with this mentality
that hasn't left me. And again this is not a
woe is Me moment, but it was like we had
a ledger in the kitchen and we had to earn
for everything we wanted. We had to work for everything
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we wanted. And so that feeling of like I don't
have it, did I make enough? Still sits with me,
even though I know I made enough. If that makes sense,
totally makes sense. So what is your emotional connection to
money now? Um, I'm trying to have a healthier relationship
with it and not have that childhood. You know, my
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mom was like the family gets to spit split one
small fry, or you can't get cheese on the cheeseburger
because it's ten cent. More So, that was, you know,
and anything I wanted, how are you going to make
the money? You know? So that's been ingrained in me.
So when I go to purchase something that might be
extravagant or I still have that, like I shouldn't do this.
I don't have it, which is weird, and I'm admitting
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that to you in front of a lot of people
right now. But don't you think that that is kind
of part of the secret sauce that has enabled you
to get to where you got to, sleeping on egg crates,
sleeping grates, Like if you grew up in a totally
different household, your connection to money would have been like
there's money around and you could have sputtered out real fast. Correct.
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I think it is part of my superpower that I
was forced to work and learn for everything I wanted.
And I'm definitely proud that I did work for everything
and did get it. But I but that feeling of
hunger doesn't leave you, even if it if it can,
because it's ingrained in you. It's like a part of
the blood now, yea, even as a little girl, Yeah
for sure. Yeah. I mean the only thing that my
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mom would buy me was materials, so she said, I
won't buy you that, but again, I'll buy you the
beads to make the bracelets, or I'll buy you the
paint to do the whatever. How do you carry that
on to your kids now growing up in Manhattan. Interesting
you bring that up. I recently did a podcast with
Gary Vaynerchuk and I said, I'm applying the exact same
principles that I was raised with to my children, but
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it's not working. And like I shared with you, I'll
say to my daughter, how are you going to earn it?
And she's just like, I don't need it. And what
Gary said, which I thought was so spot on because
he has kids, Sue, he said, the bar, even if
you're making them work for everything, their bar. Living in Manhattan,
being exposed to the events you get to go to
when the parties is already so much higher than anything
you had that they just they don't need it. And
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I'm not spoiling them in any way, but they have
a baseline that's way higher than yours. So I was like, Okay, well,
then how do I raise self sufficient children who are
who a much higher bar? Yeah? And I don't know
how the answer that yet. Tell me about your book.
The book is called Fearless. As we've been talking a
lot um the new rules for unlocking creativity, courage, and success,
and I called it fearless, not because you're going to
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read the book and swing your hair back and be like,
I'm fearless. Now, it's more that this is an emotion
that is keeping us from taking risks in life, in business, uh, personally.
And here are a couple of rules. Nothing asked, you know,
nothing crazy, UM, that are just stability points for you
if you get scared, because you're going to have that emotion.
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But running from a bear should not be the emotion
that you take into launching your own real estate company
or launching something crazy at fashion Week or whatever it
is you do. Well, it's awesome and everybody should get it.
And UM, tell me about your podcast. My podcast is
called super Women with Rebecca Mancoff. So no offense. I
can never have you on. UM. I know maybe when
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your wife launches the Greek Bakery we can talk about it.
But UM, I felt like I was very lucky to
be exposed as such game changers and innovators, and I
thought there had to be a better way than me
just having them in my store in front of seventy people. UM,
and so launch the podcast to just interview women who
have also broken barriers. Women you think of it all
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that are perfect, that are like, no, this ship was
hard to launch and here's how I struggled and here's
how I got through. So it's women you've never heard of,
like the McBride sisters who have the biggest black owned
winery in the United States, to Kay Kirk j Jessica
alba Um, Bosama st John, but just game changers in
their own right. And um, it's inspiring for business people,
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women who just or men who are not sure their path.
Just to hear these great stories, it's awesome. I love
it and listen to You are an inspiration to many
obviously girls and women around, but also you know also
men and boys and everybody who's ever wanted to do
more than they thought that they were capable of doing. Um,
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and it's been awesome to have you here. Thank you
so much for coming to our our crazy office clubhouse
in Soho. Thank you. Big Money Energy is hosted by
me Ryan Sirhant. It's produced by Mike Coscarelli and Joe
Lorresca and executive produced by Lindsay Hoffman. Find more podcasts
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