February 24, 2023 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy newsweek and we like to review
the major stories of the week here on the Black
Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information Network
news anchors Esther Dillard and Doug Davis to discuss this
week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network Daily
Podcast and I am your host, Ramsy's job. Hey, Esther
and Doug, Welcome back to the show. How are you doing?
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I'll do it great? How are you? I'm good? Man.
I had had a good week, man. It s been
a few days in DC and got to visit the
National Museum of African American History and Culture. I know
you spent a long time in there. Yeah. Yeah, I
had the time of my lap out there. Went to
Norfolk State University too. Oh did you do any Ben's chili?
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Was that Ben's Chili bowl? Did you stop? Man? You
didn't tell me about it. But you know, we're gonna
let you redeem yourself today because I definitely want you
to tell me about a few of the few of
the topics we're talking about today. But first we're going
to probably tap on Esther because, as you know, after
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the gunman who killed ten black people in the Buffalo
mass shooting was sentenced to life in state prison last week.
The subject of capital punishment for the gunmen on federal
charges is surfacing now. Esther, you've covered the Buffalo shooting
for the Black Information Network, Why don't you give us
the latest on this story and then we'll hear from you. Well,
if you did not know, New York does not have
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capital punishment, so they have life without parole. That's the
maximum sentence, and the shooter did receive several life sentences
without parole, so they knew he wasn't going to get
out of jail. But the death sentence is on the
table in federal court. He did go to federal court
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the day after that sentencing, but it's still unclear what's
going to happen because he could plead guilty and then
they have to determine if they're going to give him
the death sentence or if he doesn't plead guilty, and
then it will be a trial that will be scheduled
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for July. At this point, the US Attorney General, Merrick Garland,
hasn't ruled out seeking the death penalty against him. Discussions
are ongoing, and that is what is the latest on
that one. So we'll have to just wait and see. Yeah,
why don't you give us your thoughts? You know, I
read an article recently that said former President Donald Trump
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recently spoke out saying that if he gets back into office,
he'll expand capital punishment, bring back firing squads, televise public
executions with hangings. You know, so it appears he wants
to take it back to the days of lynching. Not funny,
of course, but forty one percent. Let's look at the numbers.
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Forty one percent of all death row inmates are black.
Since nineteen seventy six, black Americans account for thirty four
percent of all executions in the country. Even back in
nineteen nine, the United States General Accounting Office commented about
the death row penalty, saying that an eighty two percent
of the studies reviewed, race of the victim was found
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to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder
or receiving the death penalty. Those who murdered whites were
found more likely to be sentenced to death than those
who murdered black So from a federal level, you know,
what does this mean for black Americans? You know, we
hear a lot of cases where black men continue to
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proclaim their innocence up until the very last second they're executed,
you know, telling us that, you know, they never received
a fair trial. And history tells us that this has
been very true in many cases between black men and
the criminal justice system. Case in point, the state of
Majority of Missouri just recently executed Leonard Rahem Taylor for
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allegedly killing his girlfriend and her three children. Now, he
said he was in California when the murders happened, had
evidence to prove it. Critics of the case say that
the state coerced witnesses to change the time of death,
and now Taylor is gone. He's not here anymore, you know.
So when I look and think about, uh, you know,
the federal government looking at you know, expanding or you know,
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just teetering on, you know, how they can continue to
kill people, it kind of bothers me. One quick quote
Bria Nelson, she's a fellow at the ACLU, and she
said an amazing quote. The line between lynching, racial justice,
racial violence, I should say, and the death penalty is undeniable. Yeah,
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that's true. You know, there's um I'm a big fan
of the work of Brian Stevenson, The Equal Justice Initiative,
and he's the subject of the movie Just Cause starring
Michael B. Jordan for those who've seen that movie, and
he actively fights against this sort of thing because of
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the disproportionate outcomes with respect to the criminal justice system.
And of course, you know, with that comes you know,
the death penalty. And you're absolutely right, there are far
too many cases of indeed, black people being executed when
they were not necessarily speaking culpable, and far too many
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where they've been framed or set up, and they disproportionately
skew younger and poorer. And so if we wanted, if
those of us who are fans of the death penalty
wanted a harsher sentence for this Buffalo shooter, you know,
a sort of a mixed bag. You know, a person
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like Donald Trump, if you will, gets into office and
expands capital punishment, you know, we get back to that
sort of mob mentality. And unfortunately, where we as black
people stand in this country, we can support something like
the expansion of capital punishment and in effect load their gun.
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And so that's something that I pause to reflect on them.
The outcomes in terms of his impact, this this Buffalo
shooters impact on the life of the average free citizen
will be the same whether he's executed or in prison
for the rest of his life. And so if we
want to take it further, because we're succumbing to that
mob mentality and we want to see a dead body,
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we have to know that it comes with a mixed bag,
because that whole system is stacked against us. And often
times people we find that people should be exonerated, sometimes
while they're still alive, but in other instances after they've
gone as you mentioned, And so I'd be very careful
with that one. Can I play Devil's advocate here? Just
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real quick? Um? The the Buffalo mayor was asked whether
or not this guy should get the death penalty, and
his reasoning was quite interesting. He said that because we
don't want copycats and we want to send a message
that in this particular case, he believes that it's a
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good idea to invoke the death penalty because of the
racial component of the fact that he planned it. He
put it on live you know, live stream. This was
that this extreme. He felt that in order to send
a message to anyone else who may think that this
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is a good idea, they might think twice and I'll
just leave it there. I appreciate that because you know
that it is something that I noticed. I'm not saying
we should or shouldn't do something. I'm saying it's worth
thinking about. But you know the other side of that
is that a lot of these people, you know, I've
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kind of done it a deep dive once or twice
into the life and the radicalization of many of these
mass shooters, and many of them have kind of given
up on life. They feel like the world has given
up on them, and they are very much suicidal going
into it. They realize that they are not going to
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come out, or there's a high likelihood that they won't
come out, and they've accepted that. So the risks are
often accompanied with, you know, these echo chambers that they
find themselves in, people telling them, you know, we will
remember you, we will you will be our champion, we
will tell your story. Get the high score, meaning shoot
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the most people, these sorts of things, and if they
can live in infamy at least in those little pocket
it's of the world to them. Often they feel like
that's a better outcome than living a meaningless, nothingless life
in Middle America with no prospects for girlfriends or job
or employment or fame or fortune or any of the
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sort of things that the quote unquote American dream suggests
to them that they will end up with. And so
again it's a mixed bag. I'm there's better people to
make decisions like this than me. But I know that
you know, that's a that's it can be a double
edged sword. And so again something worth thinking about before,
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you know, just kind of doubling down on do we
want to see a dead body? So yeah, moving on.
Last week, news surface that Michael Jackson's estate is planning
to sell a portion of his immun Music catalog to
Sony Music for several million dollars. This seems to be
a trend for other black artists as well. Doug, this time,
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let's start with you. Give us some details on this
story and the trend regard black music creators. Absolutely, I
was quite mortified when I heard about the story, you know,
Michael Jackson's estate selling half of his catalog for nine
hundred million dollars. I always say a good business deal
is three to one. So if I'm buying something four
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billion dollars, I'm expecting to make about three billion in
profit off of that right. So you know, you can
look at doctor Jerry. Another example sold is Catalog for
two hundred million. The problem I find with black entrepreneurs
is why do we as a people sell our assets
instead of keeping those assets to build opportunities for a
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generational wealth. I was also kind of hurt when I
found that the Bruce family, you know, sold their property
back to La County. You know, after all of what
they did to get it, they sold it back to
them for the same amount of money. I'm not here judge,
but I just find it interesting how bad happened. I
don't know the inner workings of it, but I mean,
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if I can also add, and what brings me to
this point is that, you know, have the systems of
oppression affected even rich folks bottom aligned so much that
they feel like they need to sell off their assets
to survive. I mean, I'm just kind of perplex Most
major corporate entities are still owned by families. You know,
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we can't even say now that we own be et anymore.
You know, we lost essence back in the day. We
own it again. But if I may also add, you know,
when we sell our assets, and I'll use music as
an example, it's almost like we're selling our soul. And
I'll tell you why I feel that way. Have you
ever heard a black song on a commercial and that
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song didn't quite fit? Like if you heard a Prince
song and you said, now, I know Prince would never
approve of that song being used with this product. You
know what I'm saying. And so right, so our products
end up being exploited when we sell off our assets,
and then who benefits? And I'll leave that up to
the public to answer that question. Yes, they lets hear
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from you. Well, I was wondering why too, because I
had this conversation with my husband and he was like, well,
that's probably because they're burning through a bunch of money
and the family needs to sell off these assets to
I guess paid, you know, various expenses and things. But
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I thought it was quite interesting when reading on the
fact that Sony is really trying to purchase the assets
in Jackson's publishing and the recorded venues like MJ the
musical and the new biopic Michael that's supposed to be
coming out. I guess they're trying to get their hands
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on that because of the amount of money that they
can make off of it, like, you know, like Doug
was saying, So, I didn't understand the reasoning that they
would want to sell it because MJ the musical. I
looked it up in twenty twenty three. As of February,
it grossed ninety one and a half million bucks. That's
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a lot of money, I mean for the musical, and
I'm just surprised that they would want to sell it
even though it's not been you know, um it's not
been confirmed, you know, because people are trying to find
out if this is actually those details are for real
or this is just kind of like the idea you
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know it could be, or we don't know, um so,
but I just it didn't make sense to me when
you're making when that kind of asset makes that much money,
why they'd want to sell it off? Sure, sure, you know,
there's my thinking is that we really need a sense
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of to Doug's point as well, financial literacy. You know.
That's not to say that the Jackson family does not
have that. They've been wealthy long before I was even born,
so perhaps that is the case. But there has to
be a reason that we see so many of these
companies offering so much money to so many black artists,
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and we'll throw Justin Bieber in there, because even though
he's not a black artist, he does make black music
that is black music, make no mistake. And you know,
there's this culture where we're chasing money. Everybody's chasing a bag,
and we're not really centering each other. We're not centering
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our culture, We're not centering our posterity. We're centering ourselves,
our individual timelines. What will the quality of my life be,
or perhaps the life of myself and my offspring, but
not what impact will I make on the culture of
people that I live? What is my duty to my ancestors?
And what is my duty too? As I mentioned my posterity,
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our collective posterity. And so I think that we really
need to reassess what the value of a human being is.
What is the I want to say, the value of
a man and the value of a woman, but you know,
so that it sounds the way that I'm trying to
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convey the value of a man. I want to be
very careful of that. But what is the value of
a man? Is the value of a man what's in
his bank account when he dies? Or is the value
of a man or woman again, the impact that that
person has made, how they're remembered. I said this on
one of the shows recently. You know, Doctor King, we
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don't remember Doctor King for being a wealthy man. We
remember Doctor King for making an impact that we all
can feel. We don't same with the Gandhi Mother Teresa.
That list goes. Aren't these people aren't known for being wealthy.
In fact, a lot of people that we know for
being wealthy we look back unfavorably on them. You know,
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they might have their names etched in buildings, but you
know it ends up coming to the surface. And so
you know, I'm not saying these people shouldn't get their money,
but they shouldn't sent her money in the way that
they do. Plus, add to the fact that currency is
something that is not necessarily controlled by individuals, it's it's
the control of a currency is often centralized and controlled
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by a government. So if you're given nine hundred million
dollars and in six months time, that's worth half as
much as it was because of government decisions and external factors,
and what really have you gained or in fact, what
have you lost? Because those forces can be manipulated and
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then one of the things, you know, to what you
were saying Esther is as far as the why why
are these things being brought up? I suspect that it
has something to do with this new frontier that we're
all on with artificial intelligence. There are so many things
that have been unexplored, so many potential ways to make
money off of black creators. And we are selling our
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access to the future, our claim, cultural claim to our
you know, really our real estate in the future landscape,
because we are seeing today and not seeing tomorrow. We're
not seeing past that frontier. And how artificial intelligence will
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you know, develop new ways to monetize these these iconic catalogs.
We see kind of glimpses of it through TikTok, We
see glimpses of it through you know, viral songs. Um.
I remember I had this thought when um you remember
the song It's It's um My Boom and by ghost
Town DJs. That song was at night I think of you.
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You know, that song kind of come out in the
early nineties and it went to number one in like
two thousand and fifteen, sixteen, maybe seventeen, somewhere in there. Um,
And so people are starting to see the potential of
these back catalogs, and for us to sell them off
means that we don't have access to that, we can't
control how it's used, as you mentioned, Doug, and we
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sell ourselves short, and indeed we sell our people short.
So those my two cents. I'm not a fan of that.
I'm a big fan of ownership where you can and
where you can. And I'm a fan of leaving something substantial,
something that has cultural significant, something you can be proud
of at Many people aren't proud of a number in
a bank account. Some are, but most people are proud
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of a legacy that they inherit. In my travels, this
is just my two cents. So we'll see what happens,
but I hope that we don't see too much more
of this. Black Information Network News anchors Esther Dillard and
Doug Davis are here with us discussing this week's major stories.
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All right, CNN anchor Don Lemon recently got into trouble
for age and gender biased comments about Republican presidential candidate
NICKI Haley. What were the comments and topics that caused
him to be pulled off of CNN after this time,
Let's start with you. I'll tell you this was a
story that I was like, why did you even go there? Don?
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Don was given a time out for comments he made
when Nicki Haley made her announcement for run for president.
Haley basically said Congress should have term limits and that
there should be mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over
seventy five years old. So she was kind of taking
a swipe, of course, aid Biden, saying, you know he
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needs to be he's a little too old for the job. Well,
Lemon then said he felt uncomfortable about Haley's comments. He
added that her comments were quote wrong, the wrong road
to go down, and then he added that Haley quote
is not in her prime. He didn't stop there, though,
he had to take further. He said, sorry, when a
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woman is considered to be in her prime in her
twenties and thirties, maybe her forties, that's what it's considered.
And he said his source was Google. If you do
a Google search, that's what it sets. So Lemon was
pulled off the air for a couple of days. And
there's a lot of people that were very upset about
that comment because you know, I just you just don't
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talk about people's women and their age. It's just as
being someone in their prime and not in their prime.
The CNN CEO Chris licked. He pretty much said that
Lemon had agreed to participate in some formal training and
he returned to air this week, I believe Wednesday, and
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he tweeted that he appreciated the opportunity to be back
and his colleagues and viewers. And to his colleagues and viewers,
he wrote, I am hearing you, I am learning from you.
I am committed to doing better. So it was kind
of a very um week response. As far as an apology,
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it really wasn't I'm sorry, but it was pretty much
I'm learning. So everything seems to be back to normal. Um,
no one really said anything on the air about it.
He didn't say anything on the air about it, and
it just seems to be life goes on. So that's
where it's at right now. Okay, So Douglas set your
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thoughts on me. I was on vacation when it happened,
so I was kind of late to the game, to
the party per se. But I was pretty shocked when
I heard about it. I thought Don could have been
a bit more savvy with that comment. But you know,
cancel culture is a real thing. It's it's very strong.
One wrong comment and you're out. You know. Look what
happened to is buddy Chris Cromo. So in the overall
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scheme of things, um, I had a conversation with the
person recently and we asked a question, can a person
not be biased? In America? And so, you know, think
about the biases that we see on television, the media,
which can shape how people perceive others. You know, my daughter,
for example, Asha, she's a black feminist to the core.
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She taught me about my own biases towards women. And
I'm thinking that I'm this superliberal guy who loves everyone
and stands up for the rights of all. I love
all the women in my family. But she showed me
that I had some biases towards women. How did that happen?
Good question? But neither here nor there. I was open
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enough to, you know, to participate in her commentary, and
I learned a whole lot. And now I feel like
I'm a better person, you know, because it was pointed
out to me, you know, about my own biases, and
so you know, I'm technically free from the matrix. And
I think everyone in their own way form of fashion
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has some sort of bias in this country. Uh. We
can't help it in my opinion, and that's and so,
but being able to be open enough to realize it,
you know, I mean, UM is everything, you know, So
we can be better people than be a better nation, sure,
and you know that's that's part of what I love
about this, UM, is that we are all having to
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be more on our UM, on our game, our a game,
because even something like this, uh, you know, ten years
ago might not have set off the reaction and the
response that it didn't UM. And then when you go
back even further twenty thirty forty years ago, UM, so
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some many people look at that as progress, be being
one of them. UM. You'll notice earlier in the in
the episode when I mentioned the measure of a man
um because it's it's actually a quote, uh or part
of a quote, UM in something that we all can reference.
And I wanted to make sure that I'm not singling
men out. And that's why I was trying to stumbling
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over my words in fact, because it's scary for me
to work in this space knowing that you know, as
you mentioned, Doug, that we all have our biases and
we're actively, at least me actively trying to overcome what
we've been taught, what we've been indoctrinated with, and some
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of those things manifest themselves in just kind of our language. Now.
Doctor King's quote was the ultimate measure of a man
is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience,
but where he stands at times of challenging controversy, and
so making that comparison to you know, the measure of
a man who has money in the bank when he
dies was kind of the point there. But saying the
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wrong thing now has consequences, and I think the benefit
of that is that we all live in a world
that is moving towards a more equitable culture and moving
towards you know, outcomes that are you know, because we
work in media and down works and media, of course,
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we shape the thoughts and the opinions of many people
who tune and listen to us every day, and so
it's important that that we do better. You know, I
hear what you said, Esther. You know, maybe that apology
was a little flat, but it was an apology. It's
not for me to, you know, decide the value of
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that apology, because obviously I wasn't the person who was
offended by it, but I do recognize that it was
an apology and for me to see something like that,
for him to at least acknowledge that maybe this sort
of language and way of thinking could have a negative
impact on women as a whole and this shouldn't be happening.
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I hope that they ripple effect of that is that
we all end up being a little bit better at work,
especially working in this space. So finally, as we finish
up in the month of February, it's always important at
the Black Information Network to recognize both both historical Black
figures and people who are making black history right now.
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So for both Doug and Esther, who are some folks
that deserve recognition for making black news now? This time
to start with? You know, well, of course Kamala Harris
would be the first to come to mind, the first
woman and first African American vice president. Every generation we
have a black leader emerged that fights for our rights.
When I was growing up in the eighties, it was
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Jesse Jackson, you know, he was the biggest figurehead. Now
we have ben Crump. Some are calling him the black
Attorney General of the US. Then there's eighteen year old
Jalen Smith this year became the youngest person to ever
be elected as mayor. Shout out to Earl, Arkansas. He
put them on the map for sure. But this young
African American man is incredible, of course. Katangi Brown Jackson,
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first black woman's Supreme Court Justice, Doctor Corbett thirty five
year old lead scientists on the modern A COVID vaccine team.
Rashida Jones thirty nine, MSNBC president and first black executive
to run a major television network. So yes, we are
making brand new history every day here in America, and
they should be highlighted as well, as you know our
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forefathers who you know, who made things possible for us
to do the things we're doing today. Absolutely, Esther, I
know you've got a couple of names. Yeah, I'm gonna
have to shout out again, Kamala Kamala Harris, not only
just because she is the first black Vice president of
the United States, but that she is unique in terms
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of being able to appeal to not just black girls,
but brown girls that are also Asian, have Asian background,
as well. So I think that she's she's given a
lot to little black and brown girls to look up
to and say I can do that, It's possible. It's
that's I guess that's one of the reasons why I
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have a big thing for Kamala Harris. I know she's
gotten a lot of bad negative critics, but I think
that as a woman in politics, she's fabu. The other
person that stands out m Raphael Warnock. It was big
just a little while ago, you know, when he was
running against running Fort in the runoff for US senator
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in Georgia. So he's he stood up for health reform,
criminal justice reform, economic justice. I was doing a little
research on him and I didn't realize that he had
gotten um he was arrested for protesting and support of
raising the minimum wage for fast food workers in twenty fourteen.
So and he's been, you know, of course in the
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game and for a long time. He's served as the
pastor for Ebenezer Baptist Church for more than ten years.
But um, just his influence not just in the Georgia
area but now across the country is awesome. So I
definitely say he's one of those and um, I'm not
a big super sports fan, but Lebron James definitely is
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someone that should be um put up there because, um,
it's not just the fact that he's won four NBA Championships,
been named NBA UM Finals MVP four times, two time
Olympic Gold medalist, but he's also a philanthropist that has
opened the I Promise School in Akron, Ohio, which serves
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low income and at risk kids and provides a range
of educational and social support services, a successful businessman with
the portfolio that's like huge, and he has his own,
um kind of a media company as well. So I'm
just my you know, all hats off to Lebron James King.
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So he has done a lot for the black community,
and I don't think that anybody should give him any shade.
Oh yeah, I like that for me because I knew
that there would be a lot of really superstar you
know folks that were mentioning right now. I kind of
was thinking about this a little differently. I wanted to
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acknowledge the people who I've learned from, you know, day
to day, and these are people that they don't have
as big a name as Lebron James but they have
their little corner of the Internet, and they're well studied,
well educated, and they are making Black history, making impacts
in their own way. These people are the folks with
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you know, TikTok accounts where they flesh out Black history
and facets of our culture that we're not aware of.
These are folks that have you know, Instagram pages where
they provide the receipts of you know, here's where the
money went and here's why we don't have it. You know,
those folks that provide you know, the platform and stage
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where I can you know, observe the things that I
need to observe to to do what it is that
I do. Um. Some other folks that I want to
acknowledge are also folks that, you know, maybe they don't
have as big a name as Kamala Harris, but you know,
one day. Those people include you know, Doug Davis and
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Esther Dillard and Maggie be Known and of course the
man himself, Chris Thompson. Um. You know, people like Q board,
the people that are making black history happen, you know,
not just the the tip of the spirit, but indeed
the spirit itself. And so UM, I think that at
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least for me, twenty twenty change the lot, change the
direction of my career um and I've done my best
to be as faithful to this new trajectory as I
can be in it's with the support of these names
and many others, um and I also see other people
taking advantage of this renaissance, contributing in meaningful ways to
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this renaissance and this this new momentum for our culture
and our people. I think that that's Black history, and
I think that people people in the future will look
back on this time and be appreciative of the fact
that we got on our game. We started learning more,
we started asking why, we started trusting each other and
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acknowledging each other in different ways. And I'm not going
to pretend like we don't have, you know, more, more
ground to cover and the ways to go. But progress
is progress. And like I said, having spent the first
part of the week in DC at the National Museum
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for African American History and Culture, I recognize that progress
takes a long time and it's really slow. But when
you look back on it, as I get to look
back on my ancestors who were in slave ships, you know,
and how many were lost in the Middle Passage and
when the country was founded, and who fought in the
Revolutionary War and who died, and who fought in the
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Civil War, and who died and what it was like
to live a hard, short life and die very young.
And then um, you know, through the Black Codes and
Jim Crowe, and then through you know, the the early
nineteen hundreds when you know there's an industrial revolution, you
know that is kind of projecting or propelling the the
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economy in a different direction. And then uh, some years
after the Civil Rights movement and to see you know,
Hughey and Stokely and James Baldwin, and to feel like,
you know, we're at a time right now that is
its own era. I'm grateful to the names I mentioned,
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I'm grateful to our listeners, and I feel very hopeful
for my people. So with that said, I'd like to
thank you all very much, and indeed Esther and Doug
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It's been another busy newsweek and we like to review
the major stories of the week here on the Black
Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information Network
news anchors Esther Dillard and Doug Davis to discuss this
week's major stories. This is the Black Information Network Daily
Podcast and I am your host, Ramsy's job. Hey, Esther
and Doug, Welcome back to the show. How are you doing?
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I'll do it great? How are you? I'm good? Man.
I had had a good week, man. It s been
a few days in DC and got to visit the
National Museum of African American History and Culture. I know
you spent a long time in there. Yeah. Yeah, I
had the time of my lap out there. Went to
Norfolk State University too. Oh did you do any Ben's chili?
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Was that Ben's Chili bowl? Did you stop? Man? You
didn't tell me about it. But you know, we're gonna
let you redeem yourself today because I definitely want you
to tell me about a few of the few of
the topics we're talking about today. But first we're going
to probably tap on Esther because, as you know, after
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the gunman who killed ten black people in the Buffalo
mass shooting was sentenced to life in state prison last week.
The subject of capital punishment for the gunmen on federal
charges is surfacing now. Esther, you've covered the Buffalo shooting
for the Black Information Network, Why don't you give us
the latest on this story and then we'll hear from you. Well,
if you did not know, New York does not have
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capital punishment, so they have life without parole. That's the
maximum sentence, and the shooter did receive several life sentences
without parole, so they knew he wasn't going to get
out of jail. But the death sentence is on the
table in federal court. He did go to federal court
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the day after that sentencing, but it's still unclear what's
going to happen because he could plead guilty and then
they have to determine if they're going to give him
the death sentence or if he doesn't plead guilty, and
then it will be a trial that will be scheduled
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for July. At this point, the US Attorney General, Merrick Garland,
hasn't ruled out seeking the death penalty against him. Discussions
are ongoing, and that is what is the latest on
that one. So we'll have to just wait and see. Yeah,
why don't you give us your thoughts? You know, I
read an article recently that said former President Donald Trump
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recently spoke out saying that if he gets back into office,
he'll expand capital punishment, bring back firing squads, televise public
executions with hangings. You know, so it appears he wants
to take it back to the days of lynching. Not funny,
of course, but forty one percent. Let's look at the numbers.
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Forty one percent of all death row inmates are black.
Since nineteen seventy six, black Americans account for thirty four
percent of all executions in the country. Even back in
nineteen nine, the United States General Accounting Office commented about
the death row penalty, saying that an eighty two percent
of the studies reviewed, race of the victim was found
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to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder
or receiving the death penalty. Those who murdered whites were
found more likely to be sentenced to death than those
who murdered black So from a federal level, you know,
what does this mean for black Americans? You know, we
hear a lot of cases where black men continue to
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proclaim their innocence up until the very last second they're executed,
you know, telling us that, you know, they never received
a fair trial. And history tells us that this has
been very true in many cases between black men and
the criminal justice system. Case in point, the state of
Majority of Missouri just recently executed Leonard Rahem Taylor for
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allegedly killing his girlfriend and her three children. Now, he
said he was in California when the murders happened, had
evidence to prove it. Critics of the case say that
the state coerced witnesses to change the time of death,
and now Taylor is gone. He's not here anymore, you know.
So when I look and think about, uh, you know,
the federal government looking at you know, expanding or you know,
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just teetering on, you know, how they can continue to
kill people, it kind of bothers me. One quick quote
Bria Nelson, she's a fellow at the ACLU, and she
said an amazing quote. The line between lynching, racial justice,
racial violence, I should say, and the death penalty is undeniable. Yeah,
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that's true. You know, there's um I'm a big fan
of the work of Brian Stevenson, The Equal Justice Initiative,
and he's the subject of the movie Just Cause starring
Michael B. Jordan for those who've seen that movie, and
he actively fights against this sort of thing because of
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the disproportionate outcomes with respect to the criminal justice system.
And of course, you know, with that comes you know,
the death penalty. And you're absolutely right, there are far
too many cases of indeed, black people being executed when
they were not necessarily speaking culpable, and far too many
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where they've been framed or set up, and they disproportionately
skew younger and poorer. And so if we wanted, if
those of us who are fans of the death penalty
wanted a harsher sentence for this Buffalo shooter, you know,
a sort of a mixed bag. You know, a person
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like Donald Trump, if you will, gets into office and
expands capital punishment, you know, we get back to that
sort of mob mentality. And unfortunately, where we as black
people stand in this country, we can support something like
the expansion of capital punishment and in effect load their gun.
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And so that's something that I pause to reflect on them.
The outcomes in terms of his impact, this this Buffalo
shooters impact on the life of the average free citizen
will be the same whether he's executed or in prison
for the rest of his life. And so if we
want to take it further, because we're succumbing to that
mob mentality and we want to see a dead body,
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we have to know that it comes with a mixed bag,
because that whole system is stacked against us. And often
times people we find that people should be exonerated, sometimes
while they're still alive, but in other instances after they've
gone as you mentioned, And so I'd be very careful
with that one. Can I play Devil's advocate here? Just
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real quick? Um? The the Buffalo mayor was asked whether
or not this guy should get the death penalty, and
his reasoning was quite interesting. He said that because we
don't want copycats and we want to send a message
that in this particular case, he believes that it's a
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good idea to invoke the death penalty because of the
racial component of the fact that he planned it. He
put it on live you know, live stream. This was
that this extreme. He felt that in order to send
a message to anyone else who may think that this
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is a good idea, they might think twice and I'll
just leave it there. I appreciate that because you know
that it is something that I noticed. I'm not saying
we should or shouldn't do something. I'm saying it's worth
thinking about. But you know the other side of that
is that a lot of these people, you know, I've
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kind of done it a deep dive once or twice
into the life and the radicalization of many of these
mass shooters, and many of them have kind of given
up on life. They feel like the world has given
up on them, and they are very much suicidal going
into it. They realize that they are not going to
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come out, or there's a high likelihood that they won't
come out, and they've accepted that. So the risks are
often accompanied with, you know, these echo chambers that they
find themselves in, people telling them, you know, we will
remember you, we will you will be our champion, we
will tell your story. Get the high score, meaning shoot
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the most people, these sorts of things, and if they
can live in infamy at least in those little pocket
it's of the world to them. Often they feel like
that's a better outcome than living a meaningless, nothingless life
in Middle America with no prospects for girlfriends or job
or employment or fame or fortune or any of the
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sort of things that the quote unquote American dream suggests
to them that they will end up with. And so
again it's a mixed bag. I'm there's better people to
make decisions like this than me. But I know that
you know, that's a that's it can be a double
edged sword. And so again something worth thinking about before,
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you know, just kind of doubling down on do we
want to see a dead body? So yeah, moving on.
Last week, news surface that Michael Jackson's estate is planning
to sell a portion of his immun Music catalog to
Sony Music for several million dollars. This seems to be
a trend for other black artists as well. Doug, this time,
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let's start with you. Give us some details on this
story and the trend regard black music creators. Absolutely, I
was quite mortified when I heard about the story, you know,
Michael Jackson's estate selling half of his catalog for nine
hundred million dollars. I always say a good business deal
is three to one. So if I'm buying something four
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billion dollars, I'm expecting to make about three billion in
profit off of that right. So you know, you can
look at doctor Jerry. Another example sold is Catalog for
two hundred million. The problem I find with black entrepreneurs
is why do we as a people sell our assets
instead of keeping those assets to build opportunities for a
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generational wealth. I was also kind of hurt when I
found that the Bruce family, you know, sold their property
back to La County. You know, after all of what
they did to get it, they sold it back to
them for the same amount of money. I'm not here judge,
but I just find it interesting how bad happened. I
don't know the inner workings of it, but I mean,
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if I can also add, and what brings me to
this point is that, you know, have the systems of
oppression affected even rich folks bottom aligned so much that
they feel like they need to sell off their assets
to survive. I mean, I'm just kind of perplex Most
major corporate entities are still owned by families. You know,
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we can't even say now that we own be et anymore.
You know, we lost essence back in the day. We
own it again. But if I may also add, you know,
when we sell our assets, and I'll use music as
an example, it's almost like we're selling our soul. And
I'll tell you why I feel that way. Have you
ever heard a black song on a commercial and that
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song didn't quite fit? Like if you heard a Prince
song and you said, now, I know Prince would never
approve of that song being used with this product. You
know what I'm saying. And so right, so our products
end up being exploited when we sell off our assets,
and then who benefits? And I'll leave that up to
the public to answer that question. Yes, they lets hear
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from you. Well, I was wondering why too, because I
had this conversation with my husband and he was like, well,
that's probably because they're burning through a bunch of money
and the family needs to sell off these assets to
I guess paid, you know, various expenses and things. But
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I thought it was quite interesting when reading on the
fact that Sony is really trying to purchase the assets
in Jackson's publishing and the recorded venues like MJ the
musical and the new biopic Michael that's supposed to be
coming out. I guess they're trying to get their hands
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on that because of the amount of money that they
can make off of it, like, you know, like Doug
was saying, So, I didn't understand the reasoning that they
would want to sell it because MJ the musical. I
looked it up in twenty twenty three. As of February,
it grossed ninety one and a half million bucks. That's
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a lot of money, I mean for the musical, and
I'm just surprised that they would want to sell it
even though it's not been you know, um it's not
been confirmed, you know, because people are trying to find
out if this is actually those details are for real
or this is just kind of like the idea you
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know it could be, or we don't know, um so,
but I just it didn't make sense to me when
you're making when that kind of asset makes that much money,
why they'd want to sell it off? Sure, sure, you know,
there's my thinking is that we really need a sense
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of to Doug's point as well, financial literacy. You know.
That's not to say that the Jackson family does not
have that. They've been wealthy long before I was even born,
so perhaps that is the case. But there has to
be a reason that we see so many of these
companies offering so much money to so many black artists,
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and we'll throw Justin Bieber in there, because even though
he's not a black artist, he does make black music
that is black music, make no mistake. And you know,
there's this culture where we're chasing money. Everybody's chasing a bag,
and we're not really centering each other. We're not centering
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our culture, We're not centering our posterity. We're centering ourselves,
our individual timelines. What will the quality of my life be,
or perhaps the life of myself and my offspring, but
not what impact will I make on the culture of
people that I live? What is my duty to my ancestors?
And what is my duty too? As I mentioned my posterity,
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our collective posterity. And so I think that we really
need to reassess what the value of a human being is.
What is the I want to say, the value of
a man and the value of a woman, but you know,
so that it sounds the way that I'm trying to
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convey the value of a man. I want to be
very careful of that. But what is the value of
a man? Is the value of a man what's in
his bank account when he dies? Or is the value
of a man or woman again, the impact that that
person has made, how they're remembered. I said this on
one of the shows recently. You know, Doctor King, we
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don't remember Doctor King for being a wealthy man. We
remember Doctor King for making an impact that we all
can feel. We don't same with the Gandhi Mother Teresa.
That list goes. Aren't these people aren't known for being wealthy.
In fact, a lot of people that we know for
being wealthy we look back unfavorably on them. You know,
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they might have their names etched in buildings, but you
know it ends up coming to the surface. And so
you know, I'm not saying these people shouldn't get their money,
but they shouldn't sent her money in the way that
they do. Plus, add to the fact that currency is
something that is not necessarily controlled by individuals, it's it's
the control of a currency is often centralized and controlled
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by a government. So if you're given nine hundred million
dollars and in six months time, that's worth half as
much as it was because of government decisions and external factors,
and what really have you gained or in fact, what
have you lost? Because those forces can be manipulated and
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then one of the things, you know, to what you
were saying Esther is as far as the why why
are these things being brought up? I suspect that it
has something to do with this new frontier that we're
all on with artificial intelligence. There are so many things
that have been unexplored, so many potential ways to make
money off of black creators. And we are selling our
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access to the future, our claim, cultural claim to our
you know, really our real estate in the future landscape,
because we are seeing today and not seeing tomorrow. We're
not seeing past that frontier. And how artificial intelligence will
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you know, develop new ways to monetize these these iconic catalogs.
We see kind of glimpses of it through TikTok, We
see glimpses of it through you know, viral songs. Um.
I remember I had this thought when um you remember
the song It's It's um My Boom and by ghost
Town DJs. That song was at night I think of you.
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You know, that song kind of come out in the
early nineties and it went to number one in like
two thousand and fifteen, sixteen, maybe seventeen, somewhere in there. Um,
And so people are starting to see the potential of
these back catalogs, and for us to sell them off
means that we don't have access to that, we can't
control how it's used, as you mentioned, Doug, and we
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sell ourselves short, and indeed we sell our people short.
So those my two cents. I'm not a fan of that.
I'm a big fan of ownership where you can and
where you can. And I'm a fan of leaving something substantial,
something that has cultural significant, something you can be proud
of at Many people aren't proud of a number in
a bank account. Some are, but most people are proud
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of a legacy that they inherit. In my travels, this
is just my two cents. So we'll see what happens,
but I hope that we don't see too much more
of this. Black Information Network News anchors Esther Dillard and
Doug Davis are here with us discussing this week's major stories.
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All right, CNN anchor Don Lemon recently got into trouble
for age and gender biased comments about Republican presidential candidate
NICKI Haley. What were the comments and topics that caused
him to be pulled off of CNN after this time,
Let's start with you. I'll tell you this was a
story that I was like, why did you even go there? Don?
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Don was given a time out for comments he made
when Nicki Haley made her announcement for run for president.
Haley basically said Congress should have term limits and that
there should be mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over
seventy five years old. So she was kind of taking
a swipe, of course, aid Biden, saying, you know he
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needs to be he's a little too old for the job. Well,
Lemon then said he felt uncomfortable about Haley's comments. He
added that her comments were quote wrong, the wrong road
to go down, and then he added that Haley quote
is not in her prime. He didn't stop there, though,
he had to take further. He said, sorry, when a
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woman is considered to be in her prime in her
twenties and thirties, maybe her forties, that's what it's considered.
And he said his source was Google. If you do
a Google search, that's what it sets. So Lemon was
pulled off the air for a couple of days. And
there's a lot of people that were very upset about
that comment because you know, I just you just don't
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talk about people's women and their age. It's just as
being someone in their prime and not in their prime.
The CNN CEO Chris licked. He pretty much said that
Lemon had agreed to participate in some formal training and
he returned to air this week, I believe Wednesday, and
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he tweeted that he appreciated the opportunity to be back
and his colleagues and viewers. And to his colleagues and viewers,
he wrote, I am hearing you, I am learning from you.
I am committed to doing better. So it was kind
of a very um week response. As far as an apology,
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it really wasn't I'm sorry, but it was pretty much
I'm learning. So everything seems to be back to normal. Um,
no one really said anything on the air about it.
He didn't say anything on the air about it, and
it just seems to be life goes on. So that's
where it's at right now. Okay, So Douglas set your
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thoughts on me. I was on vacation when it happened,
so I was kind of late to the game, to
the party per se. But I was pretty shocked when
I heard about it. I thought Don could have been
a bit more savvy with that comment. But you know,
cancel culture is a real thing. It's it's very strong.
One wrong comment and you're out. You know. Look what
happened to is buddy Chris Cromo. So in the overall
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scheme of things, um, I had a conversation with the
person recently and we asked a question, can a person
not be biased? In America? And so, you know, think
about the biases that we see on television, the media,
which can shape how people perceive others. You know, my daughter,
for example, Asha, she's a black feminist to the core.
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She taught me about my own biases towards women. And
I'm thinking that I'm this superliberal guy who loves everyone
and stands up for the rights of all. I love
all the women in my family. But she showed me
that I had some biases towards women. How did that happen?
Good question? But neither here nor there. I was open
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enough to, you know, to participate in her commentary, and
I learned a whole lot. And now I feel like
I'm a better person, you know, because it was pointed
out to me, you know, about my own biases, and
so you know, I'm technically free from the matrix. And
I think everyone in their own way form of fashion
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has some sort of bias in this country. Uh. We
can't help it in my opinion, and that's and so,
but being able to be open enough to realize it,
you know, I mean, UM is everything, you know, So
we can be better people than be a better nation, sure,
and you know that's that's part of what I love
about this, UM, is that we are all having to
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be more on our UM, on our game, our a game,
because even something like this, uh, you know, ten years
ago might not have set off the reaction and the
response that it didn't UM. And then when you go
back even further twenty thirty forty years ago, UM, so
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some many people look at that as progress, be being
one of them. UM. You'll notice earlier in the in
the episode when I mentioned the measure of a man
um because it's it's actually a quote, uh or part
of a quote, UM in something that we all can reference.
And I wanted to make sure that I'm not singling
men out. And that's why I was trying to stumbling
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over my words in fact, because it's scary for me
to work in this space knowing that you know, as
you mentioned, Doug, that we all have our biases and
we're actively, at least me actively trying to overcome what
we've been taught, what we've been indoctrinated with, and some
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of those things manifest themselves in just kind of our language. Now.
Doctor King's quote was the ultimate measure of a man
is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience,
but where he stands at times of challenging controversy, and
so making that comparison to you know, the measure of
a man who has money in the bank when he
dies was kind of the point there. But saying the
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wrong thing now has consequences, and I think the benefit
of that is that we all live in a world
that is moving towards a more equitable culture and moving
towards you know, outcomes that are you know, because we
work in media and down works and media, of course,
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we shape the thoughts and the opinions of many people
who tune and listen to us every day, and so
it's important that that we do better. You know, I
hear what you said, Esther. You know, maybe that apology
was a little flat, but it was an apology. It's
not for me to, you know, decide the value of
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that apology, because obviously I wasn't the person who was
offended by it, but I do recognize that it was
an apology and for me to see something like that,
for him to at least acknowledge that maybe this sort
of language and way of thinking could have a negative
impact on women as a whole and this shouldn't be happening.
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I hope that they ripple effect of that is that
we all end up being a little bit better at work,
especially working in this space. So finally, as we finish
up in the month of February, it's always important at
the Black Information Network to recognize both both historical Black
figures and people who are making black history right now.
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So for both Doug and Esther, who are some folks
that deserve recognition for making black news now? This time
to start with? You know, well, of course Kamala Harris
would be the first to come to mind, the first
woman and first African American vice president. Every generation we
have a black leader emerged that fights for our rights.
When I was growing up in the eighties, it was
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Jesse Jackson, you know, he was the biggest figurehead. Now
we have ben Crump. Some are calling him the black
Attorney General of the US. Then there's eighteen year old
Jalen Smith this year became the youngest person to ever
be elected as mayor. Shout out to Earl, Arkansas. He
put them on the map for sure. But this young
African American man is incredible, of course. Katangi Brown Jackson,
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first black woman's Supreme Court Justice, Doctor Corbett thirty five
year old lead scientists on the modern A COVID vaccine team.
Rashida Jones thirty nine, MSNBC president and first black executive
to run a major television network. So yes, we are
making brand new history every day here in America, and
they should be highlighted as well, as you know our
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forefathers who you know, who made things possible for us
to do the things we're doing today. Absolutely, Esther, I
know you've got a couple of names. Yeah, I'm gonna
have to shout out again, Kamala Kamala Harris, not only
just because she is the first black Vice president of
the United States, but that she is unique in terms
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of being able to appeal to not just black girls,
but brown girls that are also Asian, have Asian background,
as well. So I think that she's she's given a
lot to little black and brown girls to look up
to and say I can do that, It's possible. It's
that's I guess that's one of the reasons why I
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have a big thing for Kamala Harris. I know she's
gotten a lot of bad negative critics, but I think
that as a woman in politics, she's fabu. The other
person that stands out m Raphael Warnock. It was big
just a little while ago, you know, when he was
running against running Fort in the runoff for US senator
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in Georgia. So he's he stood up for health reform,
criminal justice reform, economic justice. I was doing a little
research on him and I didn't realize that he had
gotten um he was arrested for protesting and support of
raising the minimum wage for fast food workers in twenty fourteen.
So and he's been, you know, of course in the
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game and for a long time. He's served as the
pastor for Ebenezer Baptist Church for more than ten years.
But um, just his influence not just in the Georgia
area but now across the country is awesome. So I
definitely say he's one of those and um, I'm not
a big super sports fan, but Lebron James definitely is
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someone that should be um put up there because, um,
it's not just the fact that he's won four NBA Championships,
been named NBA UM Finals MVP four times, two time
Olympic Gold medalist, but he's also a philanthropist that has
opened the I Promise School in Akron, Ohio, which serves
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low income and at risk kids and provides a range
of educational and social support services, a successful businessman with
the portfolio that's like huge, and he has his own,
um kind of a media company as well. So I'm
just my you know, all hats off to Lebron James King.
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So he has done a lot for the black community,
and I don't think that anybody should give him any shade.
Oh yeah, I like that for me because I knew
that there would be a lot of really superstar you
know folks that were mentioning right now. I kind of
was thinking about this a little differently. I wanted to
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acknowledge the people who I've learned from, you know, day
to day, and these are people that they don't have
as big a name as Lebron James but they have
their little corner of the Internet, and they're well studied,
well educated, and they are making Black history, making impacts
in their own way. These people are the folks with
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you know, TikTok accounts where they flesh out Black history
and facets of our culture that we're not aware of.
These are folks that have you know, Instagram pages where
they provide the receipts of you know, here's where the
money went and here's why we don't have it. You know,
those folks that provide you know, the platform and stage
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where I can you know, observe the things that I
need to observe to to do what it is that
I do. Um. Some other folks that I want to
acknowledge are also folks that, you know, maybe they don't
have as big a name as Kamala Harris, but you know,
one day. Those people include you know, Doug Davis and
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Esther Dillard and Maggie be Known and of course the
man himself, Chris Thompson. Um. You know, people like Q board,
the people that are making black history happen, you know,
not just the the tip of the spirit, but indeed
the spirit itself. And so UM, I think that at
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least for me, twenty twenty change the lot, change the
direction of my career um and I've done my best
to be as faithful to this new trajectory as I
can be in it's with the support of these names
and many others, um and I also see other people
taking advantage of this renaissance, contributing in meaningful ways to
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this renaissance and this this new momentum for our culture
and our people. I think that that's Black history, and
I think that people people in the future will look
back on this time and be appreciative of the fact
that we got on our game. We started learning more,
we started asking why, we started trusting each other and
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acknowledging each other in different ways. And I'm not going
to pretend like we don't have, you know, more, more
ground to cover and the ways to go. But progress
is progress. And like I said, having spent the first
part of the week in DC at the National Museum
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for African American History and Culture, I recognize that progress
takes a long time and it's really slow. But when
you look back on it, as I get to look
back on my ancestors who were in slave ships, you know,
and how many were lost in the Middle Passage and
when the country was founded, and who fought in the
Revolutionary War and who died, and who fought in the
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Civil War, and who died and what it was like
to live a hard, short life and die very young.
And then um, you know, through the Black Codes and
Jim Crowe, and then through you know, the the early
nineteen hundreds when you know there's an industrial revolution, you
know that is kind of projecting or propelling the the
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economy in a different direction. And then uh, some years
after the Civil Rights movement and to see you know,
Hughey and Stokely and James Baldwin, and to feel like,
you know, we're at a time right now that is
its own era. I'm grateful to the names I mentioned,
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I'm grateful to our listeners, and I feel very hopeful
for my people. So with that said, I'd like to
thank you all very much, and indeed Esther and Doug
for your insight today here on the Black Information Network.
So this has been a production of the Black Information Network.
Today's show is produced by Chris Thompson. If you have
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