July 3, 2024 • 34 mins
Host Ramses Ja and Civic Cipher cohost Q Ward discuss the physical attack on music artist Rick Ross during a recent concert stop in Canada.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast, and I'm
your host, rams' Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover everything that comes our way. But from time
to time, a story just stays with me and Bill
compelled to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. A while back on this show,
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Q who joins me in the studio today and I
had a conversation about j Cole bowing out of a
battle with Kendrick Lumar and I was able to share
my thoughts on beefs and battles in hip hop. For
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those that missed that episode, the short version of it
is that I'm not a fan of battling and beefs.
I mean, I see the appeal and how it brings
up some creativity, but overall, I'm not a fan of
that aspect of hip hop culture. I live in a
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fantasy world where everybody can win, and if you do win,
you don't need to do so by putting other people down.
It just doesn't It's inconsistent with my spirit. Now, with
that said, I respect it as a part of the culture.
It's just not my favorite part. You know, I like
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it when people get along and I like it less
when they don't. So I had some thoughts about j
Cole bowing out of that battle to protect his peace
because he knew that Kendrick was you know, he didn't
really feel any kind of way about Kendrick and he
just needed to get those bars off and you know whatever. Well,
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today we are going to talk about what can happen.
Obviously today's example is both extreme and yet not as
extreme as it could be. But what can happen when
two rappers decide to battle each other and play into
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having rap beef. I'll start us off, so I'll share
a bit from Newsweek. Rick Ross faced the wrath of
Drake's home country Sunday when he was attacked after playing
Kendrick Lamar's disk track not Like Us following his Canadian concert.
In a video released Monday by TMZ, a group of
about fifteen men gathered around Ross forty eight after his
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set at the Ignite Music Festival in Vancouver. You got
a problem, someone can be heard saying, as Lamar's number
one hit, which calls Drake a certified pedophile, blairs in
the background. Suddenly, a man throws a punch at Ross,
although it is difficult to see if he made contact
with the hustle and rapper. That leads to the group
seemingly taking on Ross his entourage as an enormous fight
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breaks out. The outlet's video also captured several men brutally
kicking and punching another man on the ground. Ross reportedly
told TMZ that no one from his team suffered any
serious injuries from the attack, and added quote, Vancouver is
a beautiful city and he can't wait to go back
end quote. He echoed this statement in an Instagram story
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pictured in front of his private jet, adding insult to injury.
Drake liked a video of the fight posted to Instagram.
So what we have here is some people on the
other side of Canada, the other side of the country.
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They're not in in Drake's They're not in Toronto, They're
in Vancouver. So again, the other side of the country,
cornering Rick Ross over a song playing about a man
they like, have never met and will never meet. Ross
is not on the song. It's Kendrick Lamar song. And
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these people have made it personal. Now one of the
guys that because I saw the video and I don't
like watching fight videos either. Just again, it's not it
doesn't agree with my spirit, and I don't like seeing
people get hurt. But one of the guys in the
video that was instigating the fight with Rick Ross ended
up getting knocked out. He was knocked unconscious and they
had to pick his body up and carry him away.
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And he was one of the guys starting the fight, right,
And I don't want to see that happen either. But
what we have is people that aren't really that involved
with Kendrick Lamar wasn't there, Drake wasn't there, and that
there's a fight over this. And you know, when we
were first talking about this, I was discussing how rap
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beefs because rappers tend to have, you know, a lot
of families that they end up supporting a lot of
people that help a rapper become a rapper, right. Those
people are related to other people. Those people are tied
to a community that has a sense of pride surrounding
a rapper. Those people feel like if that rapper is
attacked in battle, that they're personally attacked. And if they
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come across someone else from the other crew, then it's
the crews battling each other. This is a tale as
old as time. And this is what I don't like
because the outpouring of two people having a disagreement making
songs about each other, which in and of itself feels
a little silly, but the outpouring of that is that
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you have people on the ground fighting and sometimes dying
over it. So I know that this is something that
you read about two you know, talk to us a
bit about you know how this one hit you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well. First and foremost, I have to echo the biggest,
the biggest bosses sentiment that Vancouver is a beautiful city
and I cannot wait to go back, and hopefully my
brother Rams will get to go with me to see.
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I've argued for years that if it didn't get so cold,
that the entire country of Canada would be overpopulated, and
Vancouver and Toronto are both part of the reasons why
I say so, just very very beautiful, diverse, wonderful cities.
So shout out to Van City. Another thing I'd like
to point out is that the interesting thing that happens
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and inflection points like this is conflation of things that
have nothing to do with one another. Several people in
the group that approach Rick Ross can be heard yelling
the N word, and they love to ask us why
we always interject race? Well, exhibit A. So that didn't
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have anything to do with Drake. Drake's a convenient thing
to point at because it happens in Canada, right, And
even those guys can kind of co opt this moment
like they're riding for Drake, Right, How silly of Drake
to like a video of a group of men calling
Rick Rosst the N word and then attacking him, which
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Kendrick could not have scripted something like that. There's a
moment where a group of racists, I would assume if
you're using that word in that way, attack of black men,
and Drake likes it. They not like us playing in
the background. Like, how poetic. Almost, So, I don't think
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the altercation had anything to do with the Kendrick Lamar
and Drake beef. It's just a very convenient thing to
point to or to lean on when you see your
opportunity to be who you really are. Right, if the
idea is that you're riding for Drake, then don't show
up as a racist jerk, you know what I mean?
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So you know the thing that I caught from watching
the video because the fight part on the video that's
it's so unclear what's happening. It's not really like that Rick.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Rosy, somebody swings at him what he's drinking like splashes up,
so I guess it, and then they and he gets
away from it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And the fact that somebody got really hurt sucks. But
slow the whole thing down, zoom out a little bit,
and what I get from it is what I started
my feedback with a group of men calling a black
man the N word in a fight ensuing and because
Rick Ross and Drake have had some beef, and because
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you know Kendrick's song, is I guess the score or
the soundtrack of this moment, media outlets get to put
it on the Kendrick Lamarin Drake beef or even the
Rick Ross and Drake beef when it's more about hate,
actual hate, not player hating the hip hop space, but
actual hate for someone for very obvious reasons and being
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able to cloak yourself in defending the country.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Thanks from Toronto, That's what I was gonna say. So
watch this if, if if there was a rapper that
was talking about like North Carolina North Carolina. Peti Pablo,
All right, let's just pick a name. And pet Pablo
ended up having beef with somebody from another country, and.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Then they went to Oakland, California and got jumped. Nobody
would be saying, man, that's from that pe de Pablo,
this is our country. They're riding for pd Poblo.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Now, you could make an argument, I'll be fair, you
could make an argument that Canada is a lot smaller,
so there might be a little bit tighter sense of
community up there. I think Canada has the population of California.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Canada, however, and this is from someone who's lived there,
also does not have the tribalism that we have. So
it's even less likely that somebody in Vancouver was rioting
for Toronto, because even as the country and its entirety
they understand the idea of immigration, their migrants all from
all over the world, they don't have the what our
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quote unquote patriots have. This is our land and you
need to go back to your country. Now they're all
looking at you other like we're all from somewhere else
and we're all here, so what's up? How you doing?
So even that doesn't hold up if you've ever experienced Canada.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Of course, every place in the world kind of has
this thing with black people. It's not like it is
in America everywhere, but there's there's some everywhere. Black Americans
and black people of African descent all over the world
gets a little bit of a hm from everybody else everywhere,
But Canada has an entirely different relationship with the land
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under their feet. Most reasonable people, no matter what their
politics are, don't have this idea that this is ours
and you don't belong here. Like no, they're all from
somewhere else. They all understand that no one's first generation Canadian,
like no. We all come from Scotland, from Ireland, from France,
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from Hungary, from Germany, from Africa like everyone there, from China,
from Japan. They all have a sense of where they're
really from and understand that that is just now where
they live, and they don't take that personal ownership of
the land where it's theirs but not yours, even though
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we both live here and are both from somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, exactly. Well, this is again the thing that we
don't like to see when you see someone take a
an issue that is from a song or an issue
between two people, make it their issue whether or not
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they're reaching, and then use that as justification for violence.
We're already up against as a culture optics that suggests
that we are prone to violence, that we are disproportionately
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overrepresented in you know, criminal situations and the judicial system
and so forth and so on, that we have aggressive
natures and all this stuff. It's not true. But if
a person wanted to make an argument based on statistics
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that are misinterpreted or half truths, they could do that,
you know what I mean. And and some do it honestly,
and some people are intentionally trying to manipulate it. But
you know, if you say, well, black people get convicted
of or overrepresent you know, whatever crimes, then you know,
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I can make an argument that there's over policing, that
there's you know, meth labs and trailer parks and stuff
all over the country where you know, outcomes are different
because of race, you know what I mean. But stuff
like this that is an outpouring of a rap battle
doesn't help our case when we're up against public opinion
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and optics like that.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think the responsible thing to do in our position
specifically is to point out that it's just not accurate.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's not accurate, right, like.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Worrying about the backlash of created, falsified optics should not
be our position where we come in here and wag
our fingers and speak out against it. Like they try
to associate a shooting that happened in Toronto to this
beef and I'm here to tell you, folks, nobody from Compton,
California took up across the northern border to go and
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that's that's just not how things work. So it's again,
I don't want us to conflate like they're doing. I
won't let us conflate those things. That shooting had nothing
to do with Kendrick Lamarin Drakes, So how about this?
And this fight didn't either.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So how about this? This? This is what I'll say
for me.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And before you, before you interject, the violent one in
this video was not the black wrapper.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
No, no, not at all. So important to point out,
but here's where I was going. So for me, because
I know that things like this don't help the optics
that do exist. They are there are part and parts
of to our experience for better or worse. It further
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turns me off to the excitement surrounding battles, rap beefs.
It just it did. There's no way that this long
term can be constructive. Now, there was definitely a bright
moment recently. I will see that entirely for you know,
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of us, you know what I mean. But you could
also make the argument that that was in defense of
the culture and in defense of preserving the authenticity of
hip hop. I mean, the rest of it, last part,
the rest of it is you know, you know, there
are people that battle because of a hundred reasons, and
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if it was if it was simply just a battle,
you know, hey, this is how it felt. You know,
I'm a better rapper. Blah blah blah said and the
third Okay, that's cool. But a lot of times the
line between battle and beef is blurred, and beef takes
battling often to a level where there's no good that
will come from it. There's just no way to interpret
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the outcome as somehow positive. Right, That was my feeling.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
One thing that you've taught me, because we went from
DJs to activists to journalists, and one thing that you've
taught me in the journalist space is that there has
to be a level of credibility to our journalist piece.
So some things need to be said out loud, because again,
conflation happens, and it lives on forever as truth. The
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demise of the Notorious Big and Tupac Shakor have always
been tied to their beef very subjectively, there's no actual
data or fact that cooperates that both of their untimely
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demises had something to do with separate street stuff. The
late great Immortal Tupac Shakur got into a physical altercation
with a known gang member in Las Vegas and then
he was taken from us. That did not have anything
to do with the Notorious Big. And there are even
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more question marks with regards to what happened to the
Notorious Big, But if you read enough about that seems
not to be tied to Tupac Shakur either. So the
way that we lost those young kings has always just
kind of loosely been tied to their very very public
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rap each other. But if you do the investigating and
read what law enforcement and those involved with trying to
solve that case, even Steel have said and reported, the
way that they were taken from us did not have
anything to do with what was happening to them on record,
and their case is one of few that has ended
in that way. Nas and jay Z very fantous that
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shared stages together and have become close friends toward the
world and lifted the culture. Drake and Meek mil united
on stage and people went crazy in a very good way.
You mentioned the bright spot to pop out, So we
have a lot of examples of there being positive right
moments as a result of rap competition. It does not
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spill over to street as often as we think. We
just have such a monumental kind of false example of
that happening where our minds now tie rap battle to beef.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Two. Well, let me let me worst possible. I'm gonna
give you two ways of interpreting, uh the reality situation.
First off, I'm glad you brought that up, because when
it comes to Biggie and Tupac, that is a great
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example of how optics work. Black people in mass we
are fighting a number of battlefronts misinformation, disinformation, optics, whether
or not we are worth even having a conversation about
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what is it reparations or critical race theory or affirmative action,
Whether or not these people will even entertain the conversation
and optics shapes public opinion, and in this country we
are a minority. So whether or not Pakin and Biggs
deaths were directly related to each other, the story goes.
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The optics go that they their beef had something to
do with their death, right, so that something where when
I look at what happens in Vancouver, I can see
there's nothing good here right now. You mentioned the bright moments,
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I'll see those entirely. The reconciliation is always something that
we'd like to see, but we cannot forget about the deaths,
and those exist in the same cultural zeitgeist, perhaps more
pronounced than the reconciliations. Because I didn't mean to make it, No,
I'm making sure that we say that.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's just that the deaths have been tied to the music.
And in almost every case it proves that the untimely
demise did not have to do with the battle part.
It's just always, well, it must have been that, and
then people move on as if that's so objective.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So that's where I was going.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
In a lot of cases it's not, so.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's where I was going next, Just a it's a
funny story, just because I happened to be listening to
this yesterday. I was working on some art and I
was listening to the Insane Clown Posse and their conversation
on drink Camps, which is another you know podcast. And
ICP is a kind of a hip hop group, you know,
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hip hop cult following, yeah, following years ago, so that
don't know. I fans of both. By the way, I
love Nori, that's my guy. Got to perform on stage
with him, my favorite song. It was great, and ICP
been a fan of them for years. Never met him,
but they seem like cool guys. ICP was talking about
their beef with Eminem, and the story goes that ICP
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and ICP was on first. Eminem was trying to get
on at the time, he had put their name on
a flyer saying that they were invited special guests to
his album released party or something like that. They found
out about it after the fact, after the flyer had
been printed and he'd walked up to him. He's just
he's just Marshal at the time. He's not Eminem, like
we know him now. He's like, hey, so see your
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name on the flyer and he's like, yeah, well, you
didn't invite us. He's like, I'm inviting you now, and
then they're like, get out of here, right. So Eminem
got mad that they didn't do the show. So Eminem
started making these disc records back in the late nineties
about ICP. ICP then has to respond because why are
you calling us out, calling us all these names and
stuff like that. We don't even know who you are, right,
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because they didn't remember the story the way that he
did or whatever, But that's what happened. They ultimately ended
up remembering it and they're good now. But they were
talking about icple was talking about for years what that
battle beef ended up looking like on the streets, and
they were saying and and Noori was agreeing, And this
is something that I just kind of know to be true,
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is that what happens is it won't be ICP versus
Eminem in a fight. It'll be fans of each fans
and it'll be.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Close associates.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And that's where and those things do happen, Definitely happen.
So and then a personal story for those that might
be longtime listeners. I have an older brother who's a rapper.
He's in a group called Dilated People's if you care
to look them up. And once upon a time they
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had a song or a remix to a song I believe,
and they had Everlast. On the song Everlast is again
another kind of rocker from late nineties, but he switched
and became Muslim and he was still a rapper. I
think he was from House of Pain or Cypress Hill
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or something like that. Think House of Pain, it's where
he's from. Does a song with my brother's group, and
on that song he disses, funnily enough, Eminem. He says
something like a bucket three eighty at once, who act shady?
Something like that Eminem and him had problems or whatever.
Eminem comes back, responds to this song with D twelve. Okay,
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so one of the guys from D twelve is it
calls my brother out by name. My brother never said
anything bad about Eminem, but calls my brother out and
says that he's gonna choke him up, choke my brother
out right, And I'm like, yo, did he just And
I'm hearing it on the radio. I heard it on Friday,
so you're right, yeah, yeah, so I heard it on
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the radio. I was I was still in college, Right,
So I heard it on the radio. Did that guy
just say I remember there's some guys on the radio
where we ended up working with him later. But Matt
Locks is one of the people who was debuting this
diss record from D twelve going at Everlast, Dilated and
so forth right, And the fact that he said that
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on a song made me crazy because it's my actual
brother and he's saying it in such a public way
and they have fans, and then people might want to
hurt my big brother, and I'm like, yo, now, blip this.
A few months later, it might have been the Up
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and Smoke tour or the Chronic somehow Doctor Dre was
on tour. I forget the name of the tour, but
this was a mega tour, probably the massive. It was
a mega tour, and Exhibit was on that tour. Right.
So again, longtime listeners will know I have another older brother.
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All my my big brothers were kind of like the
guys in LA right, So my other brother and Exhibit
are super duper close. I'm known Exhibit for ever right,
and uh so exhibits like a family friend, you know.
And and obviously Rock is my brother. And then my
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brother buddy at our brother Me and Roca's brother Buddy
is really tight with Exhibit. So this up and Smoke
tour comes to town and I'm like, I don't know
how old it was, but I was way stupider than
I am now. Anyway, exhibits in town. My brother's like, yo,
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I'm gonna hit him. We'll get you guys some tickets,
you know, blah blah blah. And then we all get
connected on the phone. So I'm texting Exhibit like, hey,
I'm here, blutleg keVs with me. So this is one
of our excursions backstage in this huge stadium, getting to
see all these rappers walk around backstage. And so we're
backstage with Exhibit, hanging out, you know, just being a
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part of it. When you're young, it feels like amazing
to do that. Now I'm like, oh, I'm so tired.
I want to go home. But at the time it
was really exciting. There's low riders back there and everything,
and I see D twelve and the guys from D
twelve right by the way. Later on Proof got on stage.
Proof of D twelve got on stage with Dilated Peoples.
I was at the concert. I was on the side
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of the stage. I saw this happen, and I remember
my brother said on the stage, we have the proof
and we have the evidence, because evidence is another member
of Dilated peoples. And now you have the proof and
the evidence that you know, we've come together. So to
your point, Q, the reconciliation did take place. It was
very meaningful. And when Proof died, we were all sad
by that because Proof spent a lot of time in
Arizona and he was very close with a lot of
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people here, and he made good with my brother, So
I'm good. But at this time I was backstage, ended
up calling rock and I'm like, hey, man, I'm backstage
and there's these people back here, the d twelve people, man,
and I'm feeling some kind of but you know, you
got to think that's how protective you feel. I felt
that feeling right.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Off air that you'll you'll get a kick out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Oh yeah, well, I mean we should share it here,
but anywow, we won't share it here. Okay, it might
be a little two personal, but anyway, my brother pleaded.
He was like, mses, don't do anything, don't say anything.
Don't right now, they don't know who you are. Leave
that alone. Leave it alone. He's like, we already talked
to those guys, like write when the song came out.
See people the public didn't catch up. He's like, we
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already talked to those guys right when the song came out.
And then Evidence made a song back and blah blah blah.
He's like, we talked to him back then. It's all good.
I mean, we're not going to know barbecues together or
nothing like that, but it's all good. I promised this
got blown out of proportion. He had a problem with
one dude and we just was on a song with him.
We didn't know what he was talking about. Blah blah,
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all came out. It's all good. But I and obviously
I wasn't about to go fight D twelve with Bootleg keV,
who is at twelve at the time. Like I wasn't,
that wasn't going to happen. But that feeling, I could
see how easily something like that could come together. And
that is indeed the ripple effect of celebrity of you know,
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people that are again gainfully employed by these rappers or
otherwise stand to benefit fiscally by their continued success. That again,
that sense of pride that a community has because I
was so proud of my brother. I'm still proud of
my brother. My brother, my actual big brother is Rocket
Eye signs of the dilated peoples. I get to say
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that now, despite all the things that I've done with
my life, he's still my big brother and he loves me.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
He called me little bro and FaceTime one time, so
you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna go ahead and
get mine out.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, go ahead to get it, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
So I could feel my little pride and told me
he was proud of me on the face time. I'm
looking at his face when he said it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So, yeah, we us, both of us. But so you
start to see how people feel connected to these rap
beefs and these rap battles.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And he did our show, by the way, Oh thank you,
big bro.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah yeah. But when people feel connected to these battles,
you can see it end up looking like this video
that Rick Ross was captured in. And this is the
phenomenon that I reject.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'll say this as my kind of final point with
regards to this topic. The Vietnam War was in the sixties,
photojournalists risk their lives to go over there to take
pictures and to capture imagery of what was happening in
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that war so that they could show it to people
over here, and hopes that people would be outraged, and
hopes that people would be afraid, and hopes that people
would push back on the legitimacy and the necessity of
that war that was happening.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The battling, the competition, the violence, the drug use, the misogyny,
all of the negative aspects of our music are blues.
Tupac once said, was the same. That's what they were
trying to do with Vietnam. People need to see how
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we have to survive. That need to be the alpha
come from this primal need to survive. There are limited resources,
there is limited money, there is limited opportunity. I'm the
one this need to express ourselves in that manner. It's
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supposed to shine a light on our plight. Now these
men are saying these things as millionaires already and having
already reached kind of the pinnacle of their careers, but
it does not change the circumstance that we were born
here and that creates not just these type of men,
but this type of art. So I don't want to
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tear down or point negatively at any aspect of hip hop,
because all of it is necessary. The way we paint
the pictures, the way that we tell the stories, the
way that we highlight our victories, and the way that
we point out the things that we should not be
proud of, they are still very much apart our story,
of our existence and of our creativity. So I do
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not want to be smurged or judge these men throughout
the history of this art who have engaged in battle
by simply trying to say no, no, no, I'm not
the two, I'm the one, because it's always felt like
when you're us that you have to do that. I
wish there was more ramnissan Q. I wish there was
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more me saying more someone saying no, Fam, you the king,
and you saying nah, Fam, that's you. I wish there
was more of that. However, we cannot ignore the circumstances
that we were born in reality that have created both
those who join hands and uplift one another and those
who feel like, in order for me to be okay
and in order for mine to be okay, you can
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be you know. So it's a sad truth. But all
of that is a part of our story arc and
a part of our lives, so when we create, that
comes out as well well.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I rarely can say you're wrong. I don't know if
I ever have. I'm not going to start today. You're
not wrong, and of course, as always, we'd like to
hear from you, so let's keep the conversation going. How
do you feel about beefs and battles and hip hop?
(33:25):
You can reach out to me. I'm on all social
media at ramses Jah.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I am q Ward on all socials as well. Do
not forget the red microphone talk back feature. Yeah, that
is always my favorite part of listening to you closed
indeed our episodes that we get to do together.
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Daily Podcast
This is the Black Information Network Daily Podcast, and I'm
your host, rams' Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover everything that comes our way. But from time
to time, a story just stays with me and Bill
compelled to share it with you and give you my thoughts.
And now one more thing. A while back on this show,
(00:27):
Q who joins me in the studio today and I
had a conversation about j Cole bowing out of a
battle with Kendrick Lumar and I was able to share
my thoughts on beefs and battles in hip hop. For
(00:50):
those that missed that episode, the short version of it
is that I'm not a fan of battling and beefs.
I mean, I see the appeal and how it brings
up some creativity, but overall, I'm not a fan of
that aspect of hip hop culture. I live in a
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fantasy world where everybody can win, and if you do win,
you don't need to do so by putting other people down.
It just doesn't It's inconsistent with my spirit. Now, with
that said, I respect it as a part of the culture.
It's just not my favorite part. You know, I like
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it when people get along and I like it less
when they don't. So I had some thoughts about j
Cole bowing out of that battle to protect his peace
because he knew that Kendrick was you know, he didn't
really feel any kind of way about Kendrick and he
just needed to get those bars off and you know whatever. Well,
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today we are going to talk about what can happen.
Obviously today's example is both extreme and yet not as
extreme as it could be. But what can happen when
two rappers decide to battle each other and play into
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having rap beef. I'll start us off, so I'll share
a bit from Newsweek. Rick Ross faced the wrath of
Drake's home country Sunday when he was attacked after playing
Kendrick Lamar's disk track not Like Us following his Canadian concert.
In a video released Monday by TMZ, a group of
about fifteen men gathered around Ross forty eight after his
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set at the Ignite Music Festival in Vancouver. You got
a problem, someone can be heard saying, as Lamar's number
one hit, which calls Drake a certified pedophile, blairs in
the background. Suddenly, a man throws a punch at Ross,
although it is difficult to see if he made contact
with the hustle and rapper. That leads to the group
seemingly taking on Ross his entourage as an enormous fight
(03:02):
breaks out. The outlet's video also captured several men brutally
kicking and punching another man on the ground. Ross reportedly
told TMZ that no one from his team suffered any
serious injuries from the attack, and added quote, Vancouver is
a beautiful city and he can't wait to go back
end quote. He echoed this statement in an Instagram story
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pictured in front of his private jet, adding insult to injury.
Drake liked a video of the fight posted to Instagram.
So what we have here is some people on the
other side of Canada, the other side of the country.
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They're not in in Drake's They're not in Toronto, They're
in Vancouver. So again, the other side of the country,
cornering Rick Ross over a song playing about a man
they like, have never met and will never meet. Ross
is not on the song. It's Kendrick Lamar song. And
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these people have made it personal. Now one of the
guys that because I saw the video and I don't
like watching fight videos either. Just again, it's not it
doesn't agree with my spirit, and I don't like seeing
people get hurt. But one of the guys in the
video that was instigating the fight with Rick Ross ended
up getting knocked out. He was knocked unconscious and they
had to pick his body up and carry him away.
(04:31):
And he was one of the guys starting the fight, right,
And I don't want to see that happen either. But
what we have is people that aren't really that involved
with Kendrick Lamar wasn't there, Drake wasn't there, and that
there's a fight over this. And you know, when we
were first talking about this, I was discussing how rap
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beefs because rappers tend to have, you know, a lot
of families that they end up supporting a lot of
people that help a rapper become a rapper, right. Those
people are related to other people. Those people are tied
to a community that has a sense of pride surrounding
a rapper. Those people feel like if that rapper is
attacked in battle, that they're personally attacked. And if they
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come across someone else from the other crew, then it's
the crews battling each other. This is a tale as
old as time. And this is what I don't like
because the outpouring of two people having a disagreement making
songs about each other, which in and of itself feels
a little silly, but the outpouring of that is that
(05:37):
you have people on the ground fighting and sometimes dying
over it. So I know that this is something that
you read about two you know, talk to us a
bit about you know how this one hit you.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well. First and foremost, I have to echo the biggest,
the biggest bosses sentiment that Vancouver is a beautiful city
and I cannot wait to go back, and hopefully my
brother Rams will get to go with me to see.
(06:15):
I've argued for years that if it didn't get so cold,
that the entire country of Canada would be overpopulated, and
Vancouver and Toronto are both part of the reasons why
I say so, just very very beautiful, diverse, wonderful cities.
So shout out to Van City. Another thing I'd like
to point out is that the interesting thing that happens
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and inflection points like this is conflation of things that
have nothing to do with one another. Several people in
the group that approach Rick Ross can be heard yelling
the N word, and they love to ask us why
we always interject race? Well, exhibit A. So that didn't
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have anything to do with Drake. Drake's a convenient thing
to point at because it happens in Canada, right, And
even those guys can kind of co opt this moment
like they're riding for Drake, Right, How silly of Drake
to like a video of a group of men calling
Rick Rosst the N word and then attacking him, which
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Kendrick could not have scripted something like that. There's a
moment where a group of racists, I would assume if
you're using that word in that way, attack of black men,
and Drake likes it. They not like us playing in
the background. Like, how poetic. Almost, So, I don't think
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the altercation had anything to do with the Kendrick Lamar
and Drake beef. It's just a very convenient thing to
point to or to lean on when you see your
opportunity to be who you really are. Right, if the
idea is that you're riding for Drake, then don't show
up as a racist jerk, you know what I mean?
(08:06):
So you know the thing that I caught from watching
the video because the fight part on the video that's
it's so unclear what's happening. It's not really like that Rick.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Rosy, somebody swings at him what he's drinking like splashes up,
so I guess it, and then they and he gets
away from it.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And the fact that somebody got really hurt sucks. But
slow the whole thing down, zoom out a little bit,
and what I get from it is what I started
my feedback with a group of men calling a black
man the N word in a fight ensuing and because
Rick Ross and Drake have had some beef, and because
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you know Kendrick's song, is I guess the score or
the soundtrack of this moment, media outlets get to put
it on the Kendrick Lamarin Drake beef or even the
Rick Ross and Drake beef when it's more about hate,
actual hate, not player hating the hip hop space, but
actual hate for someone for very obvious reasons and being
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able to cloak yourself in defending the country.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Thanks from Toronto, That's what I was gonna say. So
watch this if, if if there was a rapper that
was talking about like North Carolina North Carolina. Peti Pablo,
All right, let's just pick a name. And pet Pablo
ended up having beef with somebody from another country, and.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Then they went to Oakland, California and got jumped. Nobody
would be saying, man, that's from that pe de Pablo,
this is our country. They're riding for pd Poblo.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Now, you could make an argument, I'll be fair, you
could make an argument that Canada is a lot smaller,
so there might be a little bit tighter sense of
community up there. I think Canada has the population of California.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Canada, however, and this is from someone who's lived there,
also does not have the tribalism that we have. So
it's even less likely that somebody in Vancouver was rioting
for Toronto, because even as the country and its entirety
they understand the idea of immigration, their migrants all from
all over the world, they don't have the what our
(10:13):
quote unquote patriots have. This is our land and you
need to go back to your country. Now they're all
looking at you other like we're all from somewhere else
and we're all here, so what's up? How you doing?
So even that doesn't hold up if you've ever experienced Canada.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Of course, every place in the world kind of has
this thing with black people. It's not like it is
in America everywhere, but there's there's some everywhere. Black Americans
and black people of African descent all over the world
gets a little bit of a hm from everybody else everywhere,
But Canada has an entirely different relationship with the land
(10:51):
under their feet. Most reasonable people, no matter what their
politics are, don't have this idea that this is ours
and you don't belong here. Like no, they're all from
somewhere else. They all understand that no one's first generation Canadian,
like no. We all come from Scotland, from Ireland, from France,
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from Hungary, from Germany, from Africa like everyone there, from China,
from Japan. They all have a sense of where they're
really from and understand that that is just now where
they live, and they don't take that personal ownership of
the land where it's theirs but not yours, even though
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we both live here and are both from somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, exactly. Well, this is again the thing that we
don't like to see when you see someone take a
an issue that is from a song or an issue
between two people, make it their issue whether or not
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they're reaching, and then use that as justification for violence.
We're already up against as a culture optics that suggests
that we are prone to violence, that we are disproportionately
(12:20):
overrepresented in you know, criminal situations and the judicial system
and so forth and so on, that we have aggressive
natures and all this stuff. It's not true. But if
a person wanted to make an argument based on statistics
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that are misinterpreted or half truths, they could do that,
you know what I mean. And and some do it honestly,
and some people are intentionally trying to manipulate it. But
you know, if you say, well, black people get convicted
of or overrepresent you know, whatever crimes, then you know,
(13:05):
I can make an argument that there's over policing, that
there's you know, meth labs and trailer parks and stuff
all over the country where you know, outcomes are different
because of race, you know what I mean. But stuff
like this that is an outpouring of a rap battle
doesn't help our case when we're up against public opinion
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and optics like that.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think the responsible thing to do in our position
specifically is to point out that it's just not accurate.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It's not accurate, right, like.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Worrying about the backlash of created, falsified optics should not
be our position where we come in here and wag
our fingers and speak out against it. Like they try
to associate a shooting that happened in Toronto to this
beef and I'm here to tell you, folks, nobody from Compton,
California took up across the northern border to go and
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that's that's just not how things work. So it's again,
I don't want us to conflate like they're doing. I
won't let us conflate those things. That shooting had nothing
to do with Kendrick Lamarin Drakes, So how about this?
And this fight didn't either.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
So how about this? This? This is what I'll say
for me.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And before you, before you interject, the violent one in
this video was not the black wrapper.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
No, no, not at all. So important to point out,
but here's where I was going. So for me, because
I know that things like this don't help the optics
that do exist. They are there are part and parts
of to our experience for better or worse. It further
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turns me off to the excitement surrounding battles, rap beefs.
It just it did. There's no way that this long
term can be constructive. Now, there was definitely a bright
moment recently. I will see that entirely for you know,
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of us, you know what I mean. But you could
also make the argument that that was in defense of
the culture and in defense of preserving the authenticity of
hip hop. I mean, the rest of it, last part,
the rest of it is you know, you know, there
are people that battle because of a hundred reasons, and
(15:30):
if it was if it was simply just a battle,
you know, hey, this is how it felt. You know,
I'm a better rapper. Blah blah blah said and the
third Okay, that's cool. But a lot of times the
line between battle and beef is blurred, and beef takes
battling often to a level where there's no good that
will come from it. There's just no way to interpret
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the outcome as somehow positive. Right, That was my feeling.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
One thing that you've taught me, because we went from
DJs to activists to journalists, and one thing that you've
taught me in the journalist space is that there has
to be a level of credibility to our journalist piece.
So some things need to be said out loud, because again,
conflation happens, and it lives on forever as truth. The
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demise of the Notorious Big and Tupac Shakor have always
been tied to their beef very subjectively, there's no actual
data or fact that cooperates that both of their untimely
(16:40):
demises had something to do with separate street stuff. The
late great Immortal Tupac Shakur got into a physical altercation
with a known gang member in Las Vegas and then
he was taken from us. That did not have anything
to do with the Notorious Big. And there are even
(17:00):
more question marks with regards to what happened to the
Notorious Big, But if you read enough about that seems
not to be tied to Tupac Shakur either. So the
way that we lost those young kings has always just
kind of loosely been tied to their very very public
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rap each other. But if you do the investigating and
read what law enforcement and those involved with trying to
solve that case, even Steel have said and reported, the
way that they were taken from us did not have
anything to do with what was happening to them on record,
and their case is one of few that has ended
in that way. Nas and jay Z very fantous that
(17:44):
shared stages together and have become close friends toward the
world and lifted the culture. Drake and Meek mil united
on stage and people went crazy in a very good way.
You mentioned the bright spot to pop out, So we
have a lot of examples of there being positive right
moments as a result of rap competition. It does not
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spill over to street as often as we think. We
just have such a monumental kind of false example of
that happening where our minds now tie rap battle to beef.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Two. Well, let me let me worst possible. I'm gonna
give you two ways of interpreting, uh the reality situation.
First off, I'm glad you brought that up, because when
it comes to Biggie and Tupac, that is a great
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example of how optics work. Black people in mass we
are fighting a number of battlefronts misinformation, disinformation, optics, whether
or not we are worth even having a conversation about
(19:04):
what is it reparations or critical race theory or affirmative action,
Whether or not these people will even entertain the conversation
and optics shapes public opinion, and in this country we
are a minority. So whether or not Pakin and Biggs
deaths were directly related to each other, the story goes.
(19:30):
The optics go that they their beef had something to
do with their death, right, so that something where when
I look at what happens in Vancouver, I can see
there's nothing good here right now. You mentioned the bright moments,
(19:52):
I'll see those entirely. The reconciliation is always something that
we'd like to see, but we cannot forget about the deaths,
and those exist in the same cultural zeitgeist, perhaps more
pronounced than the reconciliations. Because I didn't mean to make it, No,
I'm making sure that we say that.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's just that the deaths have been tied to the music.
And in almost every case it proves that the untimely
demise did not have to do with the battle part.
It's just always, well, it must have been that, and
then people move on as if that's so objective.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So that's where I was going.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
In a lot of cases it's not, so.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
That's where I was going next, Just a it's a
funny story, just because I happened to be listening to
this yesterday. I was working on some art and I
was listening to the Insane Clown Posse and their conversation
on drink Camps, which is another you know podcast. And
ICP is a kind of a hip hop group, you know,
(20:55):
hip hop cult following, yeah, following years ago, so that
don't know. I fans of both. By the way, I
love Nori, that's my guy. Got to perform on stage
with him, my favorite song. It was great, and ICP
been a fan of them for years. Never met him,
but they seem like cool guys. ICP was talking about
their beef with Eminem, and the story goes that ICP
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and ICP was on first. Eminem was trying to get
on at the time, he had put their name on
a flyer saying that they were invited special guests to
his album released party or something like that. They found
out about it after the fact, after the flyer had
been printed and he'd walked up to him. He's just
he's just Marshal at the time. He's not Eminem, like
we know him now. He's like, hey, so see your
(21:44):
name on the flyer and he's like, yeah, well, you
didn't invite us. He's like, I'm inviting you now, and
then they're like, get out of here, right. So Eminem
got mad that they didn't do the show. So Eminem
started making these disc records back in the late nineties
about ICP. ICP then has to respond because why are
you calling us out, calling us all these names and
stuff like that. We don't even know who you are, right,
(22:05):
because they didn't remember the story the way that he
did or whatever, But that's what happened. They ultimately ended
up remembering it and they're good now. But they were
talking about icple was talking about for years what that
battle beef ended up looking like on the streets, and
they were saying and and Noori was agreeing, And this
is something that I just kind of know to be true,
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is that what happens is it won't be ICP versus
Eminem in a fight. It'll be fans of each fans
and it'll be.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Close associates.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
And that's where and those things do happen, Definitely happen.
So and then a personal story for those that might
be longtime listeners. I have an older brother who's a rapper.
He's in a group called Dilated People's if you care
to look them up. And once upon a time they
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had a song or a remix to a song I believe,
and they had Everlast. On the song Everlast is again
another kind of rocker from late nineties, but he switched
and became Muslim and he was still a rapper. I
think he was from House of Pain or Cypress Hill
(23:28):
or something like that. Think House of Pain, it's where
he's from. Does a song with my brother's group, and
on that song he disses, funnily enough, Eminem. He says
something like a bucket three eighty at once, who act shady?
Something like that Eminem and him had problems or whatever.
Eminem comes back, responds to this song with D twelve. Okay,
(23:53):
so one of the guys from D twelve is it
calls my brother out by name. My brother never said
anything bad about Eminem, but calls my brother out and
says that he's gonna choke him up, choke my brother
out right, And I'm like, yo, did he just And
I'm hearing it on the radio. I heard it on Friday,
so you're right, yeah, yeah, so I heard it on
(24:14):
the radio. I was I was still in college, Right,
So I heard it on the radio. Did that guy
just say I remember there's some guys on the radio
where we ended up working with him later. But Matt
Locks is one of the people who was debuting this
diss record from D twelve going at Everlast, Dilated and
so forth right, And the fact that he said that
(24:37):
on a song made me crazy because it's my actual
brother and he's saying it in such a public way
and they have fans, and then people might want to
hurt my big brother, and I'm like, yo, now, blip this.
A few months later, it might have been the Up
(24:58):
and Smoke tour or the Chronic somehow Doctor Dre was
on tour. I forget the name of the tour, but
this was a mega tour, probably the massive. It was
a mega tour, and Exhibit was on that tour. Right.
So again, longtime listeners will know I have another older brother.
(25:21):
All my my big brothers were kind of like the
guys in LA right, So my other brother and Exhibit
are super duper close. I'm known Exhibit for ever right,
and uh so exhibits like a family friend, you know.
And and obviously Rock is my brother. And then my
(25:43):
brother buddy at our brother Me and Roca's brother Buddy
is really tight with Exhibit. So this up and Smoke
tour comes to town and I'm like, I don't know
how old it was, but I was way stupider than
I am now. Anyway, exhibits in town. My brother's like, yo,
(26:07):
I'm gonna hit him. We'll get you guys some tickets,
you know, blah blah blah. And then we all get
connected on the phone. So I'm texting Exhibit like, hey,
I'm here, blutleg keVs with me. So this is one
of our excursions backstage in this huge stadium, getting to
see all these rappers walk around backstage. And so we're
backstage with Exhibit, hanging out, you know, just being a
(26:27):
part of it. When you're young, it feels like amazing
to do that. Now I'm like, oh, I'm so tired.
I want to go home. But at the time it
was really exciting. There's low riders back there and everything,
and I see D twelve and the guys from D
twelve right by the way. Later on Proof got on stage.
Proof of D twelve got on stage with Dilated Peoples.
I was at the concert. I was on the side
(26:49):
of the stage. I saw this happen, and I remember
my brother said on the stage, we have the proof
and we have the evidence, because evidence is another member
of Dilated peoples. And now you have the proof and
the evidence that you know, we've come together. So to
your point, Q, the reconciliation did take place. It was
very meaningful. And when Proof died, we were all sad
by that because Proof spent a lot of time in
Arizona and he was very close with a lot of
(27:10):
people here, and he made good with my brother, So
I'm good. But at this time I was backstage, ended
up calling rock and I'm like, hey, man, I'm backstage
and there's these people back here, the d twelve people, man,
and I'm feeling some kind of but you know, you
got to think that's how protective you feel. I felt
that feeling right.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Off air that you'll you'll get a kick out of it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Oh yeah, well, I mean we should share it here,
but anywow, we won't share it here. Okay, it might
be a little two personal, but anyway, my brother pleaded.
He was like, mses, don't do anything, don't say anything.
Don't right now, they don't know who you are. Leave
that alone. Leave it alone. He's like, we already talked
to those guys, like write when the song came out.
See people the public didn't catch up. He's like, we
(27:57):
already talked to those guys right when the song came out.
And then Evidence made a song back and blah blah blah.
He's like, we talked to him back then. It's all good.
I mean, we're not going to know barbecues together or
nothing like that, but it's all good. I promised this
got blown out of proportion. He had a problem with
one dude and we just was on a song with him.
We didn't know what he was talking about. Blah blah,
(28:17):
all came out. It's all good. But I and obviously
I wasn't about to go fight D twelve with Bootleg keV,
who is at twelve at the time. Like I wasn't,
that wasn't going to happen. But that feeling, I could
see how easily something like that could come together. And
that is indeed the ripple effect of celebrity of you know,
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people that are again gainfully employed by these rappers or
otherwise stand to benefit fiscally by their continued success. That again,
that sense of pride that a community has because I
was so proud of my brother. I'm still proud of
my brother. My brother, my actual big brother is Rocket
Eye signs of the dilated peoples. I get to say
(29:02):
that now, despite all the things that I've done with
my life, he's still my big brother and he loves me.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
He called me little bro and FaceTime one time, so
you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna go ahead and
get mine out.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, go ahead to get it, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
So I could feel my little pride and told me
he was proud of me on the face time. I'm
looking at his face when he said it.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
So, yeah, we us, both of us. But so you
start to see how people feel connected to these rap
beefs and these rap battles.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
And he did our show, by the way, Oh thank you,
big bro.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah yeah. But when people feel connected to these battles,
you can see it end up looking like this video
that Rick Ross was captured in. And this is the
phenomenon that I reject.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I'll say this as my kind of final point with
regards to this topic. The Vietnam War was in the sixties,
photojournalists risk their lives to go over there to take
pictures and to capture imagery of what was happening in
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that war so that they could show it to people
over here, and hopes that people would be outraged, and
hopes that people would be afraid, and hopes that people
would push back on the legitimacy and the necessity of
that war that was happening.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And it worked.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
The battling, the competition, the violence, the drug use, the misogyny,
all of the negative aspects of our music are blues.
Tupac once said, was the same. That's what they were
trying to do with Vietnam. People need to see how
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we have to survive. That need to be the alpha
come from this primal need to survive. There are limited resources,
there is limited money, there is limited opportunity. I'm the
one this need to express ourselves in that manner. It's
(31:21):
supposed to shine a light on our plight. Now these
men are saying these things as millionaires already and having
already reached kind of the pinnacle of their careers, but
it does not change the circumstance that we were born
here and that creates not just these type of men,
but this type of art. So I don't want to
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tear down or point negatively at any aspect of hip hop,
because all of it is necessary. The way we paint
the pictures, the way that we tell the stories, the
way that we highlight our victories, and the way that
we point out the things that we should not be
proud of, they are still very much apart our story,
of our existence and of our creativity. So I do
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not want to be smurged or judge these men throughout
the history of this art who have engaged in battle
by simply trying to say no, no, no, I'm not
the two, I'm the one, because it's always felt like
when you're us that you have to do that. I
wish there was more ramnissan Q. I wish there was
(32:26):
more me saying more someone saying no, Fam, you the king,
and you saying nah, Fam, that's you. I wish there
was more of that. However, we cannot ignore the circumstances
that we were born in reality that have created both
those who join hands and uplift one another and those
who feel like, in order for me to be okay
and in order for mine to be okay, you can
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be you know. So it's a sad truth. But all
of that is a part of our story arc and
a part of our lives, so when we create, that
comes out as well well.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I rarely can say you're wrong. I don't know if
I ever have. I'm not going to start today. You're
not wrong, and of course, as always, we'd like to
hear from you, so let's keep the conversation going. How
do you feel about beefs and battles and hip hop?
(33:25):
You can reach out to me. I'm on all social
media at ramses Jah.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I am q Ward on all socials as well. Do
not forget the red microphone talk back feature. Yeah, that
is always my favorite part of listening to you closed
indeed our episodes that we get to do together.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And if you listen on iHeart, use the red microphone
talkback feature and let us know how you feel. Let's
keep the conversation going. Hopefully we'll hear from you soon
and until we do peace. This has been a production
of the Black Information Network. Today's show is produced by
Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts you'd like to share, use
the red microphone talkback feature on the iHeartRadio. While you're there,
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