July 4, 2025 • 50 mins
News anchors Nichole Deal and Mike Eiland join Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward for a frank and open opinion conversation on the Diddy verdict .
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Earlier this week, the verdict for the Sean Diddy Coumbs
trial came in and there's a lot of angles to uncover.
Rather than discuss multiple stories this week, today we'll unpack
the latest reactions to the p Diddy verdict. Today we
are joined by Black Information Network news anchors Nicole Deal
and Mike Island to discuss the story.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is the QR code. He is your host q
Ward and he is your host, ramses Jah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, Nicole and Mike, welcome back to the show. Uh,
this was a big one. We were following this one
pretty closely. Nicole, let's not dawdle. Why not bring us
up to speed was the latest development with the p
Diddy trial?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
All right, ramses Hey, everybody. The sex trafficking trial of
Shawan Didty Combs lasted about seven weeks or so. He
was convicted on two counts of prostitution related to the
Man Act, guilty of transportation to engage in prostitution, which
carries the sentence of up to ten years. So the
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prosecution is seeking twenty years and also back to that
in a minute. But the verdict was delivered yesterday on
Wednesday at our Federal Courthouse in New York City. However,
he was found not guilty of the most serious charges
against him, which included racketeering and sex trafficking. So the
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Man Act is a US federal law that makes it
illegal to take someone across state lines for illegal sexual activity.
Of course, that's like prostitution or sex with a minor.
That law was originally passed in nineteen ten, and it
was known as the White Slave Traffic Act of nineteen
ten or White Slavery, and it basically meant you were
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forcing women into prostitution. So, while I have your undivided attention,
it's just important to say that it was sometimes you
to punish people for being in interracial relationships. Now, of course,
nowadays it clearly focuses on sex trafficking and exploitation, particularly
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where a minor is involved. So anyway, as far as
I'm concerned, a violation of the Man Act is still
a very serious crime. And it's serious to me because
being intimate with someone and having sex with that person
it's a beautiful thing, right, But if you force someone,
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coerce someone, trick someone, manipulate someone, drug someone, and or
you pay someone to have sex with you, or pay
you to have sex with someone else against their will.
I mean, you're just wrong for that, and you need
to be held accountable for your actions, no matter who
you are, including a multi million dollar rap mogul.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
All right, Mike, your early thoughts on the verdict of
the p.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
All right, Well, this guy was acquitted of the very
things I thought was going to nail him. No wishful
thinking there is, this is what I thought, but convicted
on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution and
all the things that Nicole outlined. I think a lot
of it centered on Cassie Ventura's accusations of manipulation and
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abuse that really drove Didty into the ground. But there
are a number of things that could happen next. But
the sentencing date hasn't been set yet as of this discussion.
So and another thing, I don't think you can but
some folks can. But I don't think you can compare
this situation to the R. Kelly's and Bill Cosby. The
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only real relationship between these whole high profile cases is
that they were hugely powerful, successful, talented, beyond measure black
men who apparently did some very bad things that got
out in the open, and it literally negates all the good.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That they've done.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And Diddy is can He's contributed, contributed immeasurably to radio,
which we are a company that has promoted his releases
on our music apps and all countless promotions across our
radio stations. Uh, these are the repercussions that are really
coming next, that that that affect uh you know what
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we do, you know as a media company. So do
we scrap all the Diddy songs off the playlist? What
happens now? The sentencing hasn't happened yet, but we know
something hugely wrong has taken place with someone we uh,
you know, held in high esteem. So there are a
lot of moving parts to this, but after the sentencing
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date there will be more because the defense team right
now is working hard and we could see some three
sixties on some things in the relatively short future.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And Q, we had a brief conversation about this yesterday
and now we have a much wider birth to let
land our thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You first, well, you got to see three different courts
handling this situation. You got to see a civil case
with miss Ventura, you got to see this criminal court,
this criminal court case and then you got to see
the court of public opinion. And because all three of
those courts actually matter, right, even though one of them
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cannot render a sentence that you know, leads to any
punitive direct punit of damage, there could be some in
the wake of a decision by the by the public court.
It could definitely affect your bottom line. But the civil
case where there was payment made in a criminal case
where he was on a couple of counts found guilty,
that video came out and made rumor real and in
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the court of public opinion, and from that moment there
was no version of this outcome where I thought anything
could be celebrated, right, like whether the prosecution proved their
case or not. Some things were brought to light that
made it, in my mind, not something that we would
cheer about no matter how it turned out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So you know, there are some that are.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Celebrating that the worst charges were not and it wasn't
found guilty of them. But I think we learned a lot,
whether it's criminally punishable or not, about mister Colmbs during
this trial and just during this last couple of years
of him just really being in the public spotlight or
some really nefarious things that made it, in my opinion,
impossible to celebrate or feel good no matter what the
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outcome was. So, you know, we continue to find out more.
I'm sure there are things that you know, none of
us know about it, including those who you know participated
in this trial, But there was no version of this
were on the other side of it. I was going
to stand up in applaud because it just there was
no there was no winner here, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, I think you're right, there's there's all of us
are going to have a different relationship with Diddy on
the other side of this. And if you look at
things in black and white, you know, I famously said
on the show that I prefer to wait until all
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of the facts are laying out and we can look
on the story that happened according to the United States
of America versus the story that we believe or hope happened. Right,
and now that the United States is America has documented
what has happened, is guilty of effectively a prostitution charge
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or two prostitution charges. You know that sounds I don't
want to say innocent, but it's sound. It doesn't sound
like it's not the equivalent to like murder or something
like that. There's prostitution charges right. However, as you mentioned
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to the Court of public opinion, takes everything that this
trial has brought forth, most notably the video of him
beating Cassie at the hotel, and so moving forward, our
relationship with Diddy is fundamentally changed. Now. Whether or not
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that causes radio stations to never play any bad boy
music again, that remains to be seen. That it's hard
to imagine that because radio has forgiven much less than that,
you know, much less than you know, domestic violence, much
(08:56):
less than I really that's that's kind of the big thing.
But you know, I guess, uh freaky behavior. Radio is
forgiven less than that. But but for radio has determined that,
you know, in the case of you know, R Kelly
when it comes to children, that that is just particularly
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heinous and you know, that's not something we're going to support.
And I think that these these crimes are different A
and then B. One of these crimes is a crime
his like a crime now in history, it's it's on
the timeline. According to the United States of America, it
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has been proven that R. Kelly is guilty of these crimes,
and that is a different outcome than what has happened
with with Diddy. And so I think that while the
court of public opinion certainly does matter and certainly does
provide some influence on radio, I think that you know,
you're right to say that there's three different cored opinions,
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and radio would have to reconcile more than one opinion
to determine how to move forward with an artist that
has shaped decades worth of hip hop music and pop music,
to be fair, and so that it might be a
little bit tougher for radio to justify canceling all of
Ditty's catalog are all the songs that pay him as
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a result of this verdict, But you know, again, radio,
the relationship will be forever changed. I don't know if
we'll ever hear any new Ditty music on the radio,
just because now people are going to associate him with
like nipples and baby oil and all kinds of stuff
like that, And it just feels a little like, you know,
he got aired out pretty bad. Right. So the other
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part of this, I think is you know, the sentencing
and and a slight correction because I know where you
got that from, Mike, But there's a sentencing date set
for October third. The judge actually set the sentencing date.
So he's going to be in there until at least
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then because he was denied bail apparently Cassie's lawyers and
other folks said that, you know, did he has a
tendency to retaliate, and there was a lot of people
that aired him out pretty bad. And he needs to
remain behind bars until he's sentenced, otherwise he could pose
a threat to the people that came forward.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That's too much time, way too much time.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right exactly, And so and the judge is keeping him
in there until at least until October third for a sentencing.
But that sentencing, you know, and who's to say what
will come of it, because of course it could be
up to twenty years. That's if he's given the maximum
sentence on both counts and they run consecutive, not concurrently, right.
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But what I'm hearing, and to be fair, I don't
know much about how the criminal justice system works to
the degree that other people who've been in the criminal
justice system to some degree or another. I've never been
I've never had anything to do with you know, police
or courts or anything and of course I'm not a lawyer,
but my understanding is that based on the fact that
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there's no priors verditti and as far as this is concerned,
and you know, the severity of the crimes relative to
the case, that the severity of the conviction relative to
the case that was initially brought, it's unlikely that he's
going to get a maximum sentence. He may end up
with probation or just time served, which you know, by
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October I believe he will be have been incarcerated for
approximately a year, so time served would be, you know,
something that the judge could impose on him as well.
So and then you know, circling all the way back
to the beginning, the Man Act. It one of the
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things that I found myself questioning. And I heard of
the Man Act once while growing up, and it was
really brought to the front of my mind during a
stand up special by Dave Chappelle. And maybe we've all
seen it. Maybe this will come to mind as I
kind of tell the story. But the way I remember
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it is the Man Act was created because people were
very upset in the nineteen tens about the boxer Jack
Johnson winning all of his fights and being very brash
about winning. Right, I'm sure there's you know, this is
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the way the story is told, so maybe there's no
footage or anything from way back then, but he was
very My understanding is he was very vulgar and he
was very antagonistic because this was around the time when
boxing was starting to be like integrated, and he was
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just a dominant fighter, and all of the best white
fighters at the time they got served and.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
White people really looked at this like, somebody's got to
stop this guy. And one of the ways that he
was he kind of showed how arrogant he was and
kind of rubbed people's noses. And the fact that he
was unbeatable was he was dating white women openly, and
you know, at the time, based on the sensibilities of
the country, folks found that to be offensive and so
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they couldn't target him initially, so they would target the
women that he was dating until such a time as
they were able to get this law passed, and then
they were able to target him based on the law
that they had just passed. Because him taking a woman
across state lines who he could argue was his girlfriend,
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who he could argue with someone he.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Was dating or whatever. He maybe had many girlfriends, who
knows that was. That's kind of the the origin story
of the law right now. I might have some details wrong,
you know, beat me up in the comments if you want,
but this is my understanding of the Man Act.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, the first time I heard about it, didn't mean
it up there.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
First time I heard it.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Did James Earld Jones portray this boxer in a movie
The Great Wife?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Maybe? Maybe? So maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The very first time I heard of the Man Act,
and I thought they were saying an the Man Act
was in that movie. Yeah, you know, when I was
a kid. That was the first time I ever heard
of it. Of course, I was too young to be
interested enough to look it up. That was the very
first time I heard it. And your comments they're kind
of brought to mind that movie. Yeah, sure, first time
I heard the Man Act.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Sure, sure, yeah, And that's it's actually named after the
person who wrote the law and his last name was M. A. N. N. So.
But yeah, that's what I thought when I heard it initially, too,
And I never looked it up because I'm thinking it's
an old timey law from the nineteenth place or whatever.
So it's like, Okay, well, they clearly set up this
law to get this one guy because he was upsetting
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you know, white people and their sensibilities at the time,
it makes sense. I didn't realize that it's still a law.
And to me, I hope this doesn't sound insensitive because
I feel like Ditty was wrong for beating up Cassie.
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I feel like that was bogus right, and I feel
like all the other stories are now true as a
result of that. Okay, so this isn't a defense of Ditty,
his morality is Cacharacter's behavior at all. That's not what
I'm here to do. So I hope that that I
don't offend anyone's sensibilities when I say this. But I
feel like being convicted of something like the Man Act
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is simply a technicality. They couldn't get him on this stuff,
so they got him on this technicality. And so this
is why I say this feels a little thin, and
it wouldn't surprise me if he walked away with just
time served, because it's just like a well, technically you
did cross state lines with someone that you were paying,
so technically that's illegal based on this law back in
nineteen ten. And so we're gonna there's the conviction right there,
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we got something right. But a judge looking at that
is going to have to say, Okay, well, yes, this
is an old timey law. These people were consenting. There's
no harm based on the actual conviction that she has
to pass down a judgment on. These people were consenting.
There's no priors as far as this charge is concerned,
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et cetera, et cetera. Can I give up human being
twenty years based on this conviction? And this is how
a judge is supposed to look at you know these things,
and it's hard to imagine the answer being yes, last
thing I'll say and then I'll pass this back. But
because of that now technicality, because of the fact, Mike,
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I think you made the point. You help me make
the point that now this this law has now been
brought back in a major way to public consciousness. I
think there's going to be a lot of people who
will alter their relationships that they have with folks that
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they might fly out to their city, people that might
go on road trips with people, you know what I mean,
Like you got to really have that relationship well defined.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know what I mean, like, so yeah, there's there's
you know, because again, the fact that it feels like
a technicality. It maybe this is you know, conspiracy, brother,
but like to get a black man caught up on
a charge based on a technicality feels like a common
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story in our world. You know, we call them trumped
up charges, where it's like yo, like that's not all right,
you know cool, But now you know everyone else was
potentially can look at this like, well, shoot, okay, what
are the implications for me? You know what I mean?
I date outside of my city because I don't like
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the dating pool in my city. These people aren't my
long term partners. We're just getting to know each other.
And if someone's going to fly out and spend their time,
I might take them shopping. I might give them some
spending money while they're on the ground here with me
in Miami or in I don't know where, Chicago, wherever
they live. And you know, I'm referring specifically to like
athletes and people with means, you know, actors and you know,
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so forth, those type of folks that do that. But
you know, this is a common practice, and now it's
kind of seeing it this way and I might not
have all the details straight, but this is kind of
based on some online chatter and some personal kind of
you know, processing, mental processing of kind of the the
ripple effect of this this verdict. You know, we're going
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to change the way that we approach ditty and we're
going to change the way that we approach dating and
all that sort of stuff. You know, maybe maybe not,
but you know, this is my thoughts. So you know,
anybody want to jump in here. I don't want to
call on someone that's still kind of formulating any thoughts. Mee, Okay,
well go ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, I agree with everything that has already been said.
They're definitely going to be ramifications and repercussions and areas
that that this is going to trickle down legal system
in so many ways in the music industry and in
lots of ways that have already been pointed out. I
definitely want to circle back and talk a little bit
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more about the sentencing, because I think that the verdict
here is it had to be a big, big relief
and a win for the defense. You know, that verdict
in and of itself means that that Comb's dodged a
bullet and avoided a potential life sentence. Now, of course
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we've already talked about because of the guilty verdict, you know,
the two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. He's
still going to face up to twenty years in prison,
ten years for each one of those convictions. But I
want to second something that Q talked about because probably
one of the most compelling things that brought about that
guilty verdict were the allegations from two of his former girlfriends.
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Cassie Ventura obviously accused him of manipulation and abuse, and
of course you know that horrific viral video that we
all saw of him assaulting her at a hotel. But
I mentioned that because I think her testimony and factors
like that video already played a huge role in him
being denied bail. But I think it will also play
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a big role when it comes down to sentencing, which,
by the way, you've already talked about, its scheduled for October.
Of course, Diddy's legal team did everything they could to
have that date pushed up and have him released on
bond while he was awaiting sentencing. Obviously, I don't think
that's going to happen. He's going to stay in jail
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Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, New York. But I think
it's important to note too that they was some of
his legal team. They proposed a million dollar bond for
him house arrested Star Island mansion in Miami, of course,
or maybe his Upper east Side apartment in New York,
and other strict strict conditions like travel limits, drug testing,
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no internet or phone access, and no visitors except his
legal counsel and all of this type of stuff. But again,
you know, the judge obviously didn't want to do that,
and I think the prosecutors basically made a better argument
that his history of violence and the nature of the
two convictions warranted him staying where he is, and the
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judge obviously agreed with the prosecution, and he cited that
testimony from some of the victims, and also he was
concerned about some of the victims and the witness's safety,
and so, of course, you know, I don't have a
crystal ball. I don't know what's going to happen, but
I don't think he's gonna get out before October. They
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might appeal, they might, you know, do whatever, but I
don't think that's gonna happen. But as far as what
will happen, do you think President Trump will pardon him? Whoa,
they're bros. Not really, but they do have a relationship.
They do have a rapport.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I mean, hmmm, Trump up charges has a different meaning
in this discussion.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Almost said that, Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I
guess I'll jump on that one. If I had to guess,
I'd say no. The only reason is because I feel
like maybe if Trump was going to intervene, he would
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have done it already. Maybe, right, isn't that something the
president can do?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, yeah, he probably would have done it already, but
he's got too many other distractions things he's working on.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Maybe he'll get to that eventually.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's probably on his list, Okay, Okay, Well, yeah, I
I think that it would have been a combination of
the fact that he would have done it already, coupled
with the fact that this is such a high profile
and divisive case from somebody who has several stains on
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his reputation. Maybe his team would tell him like, hey,
you probably shouldn't touch the diddy. Oh that sounds funny.
You probably shouldn't touch touch the ditty. Trial just because
Trump himself is associated with sexual assault. He's associated with rape,
he's associated with grab him by the P word, you
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know what I mean. Trump probably wouldn't care at all,
but his team people around him might say, hey, look,
just let that play out the way it's going to
play out and leave it. Leave it be. Trump doesn't
need Ditty anymore, you know what I mean. Diddy would
need Trump moving forward. Trump is going to be for
the rest of his days well insulated. So my thoughts
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as far as Trump been, Diddy or concern, if anybody
else has anything to add that I might be missing.
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Speaker 2 (27:07):
Got on, Well, I think the last thing that you
said is the most important thing in that whole piece
is that Trump doesn't need Diddy.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's why he wouldn't intervene.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Not because his team is afraid that there'd be some
type of backlage like yeah, right, Donald Trump that grab
him by the P word.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It was before he was the president.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
He still won twice, so he's not worried about his
base being outraged or him being embarrassed, or he knows
he can do and say anything and it won't change anything,
so that he doesn't actually care about anybody and doesn't
need him. It is why he wouldn't intervene, not because
somebody on his team thought it would be bad pr Like, yeah, right,
(27:49):
before we move completely on, I really try hard not
to conflate unfair treatment by a criminal justice system and
this particular case. Our names are on this, our voices
are on this. I am not trying to have us
for be the ones standing between the public's opinion of
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Diddy and Diddy like he's proven through this thing, if
not to be guilty of all those charges, to not
be a good human being. There was testimony in this
trial that he tried to unalive Kid Cutty.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's multiple people's testimony.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Now he wasn't found guilty of any of that, but
I'm not the one standing on giving him the benefit
of the doubt for anything. The video alone, and this
is for me alone, so I can't This is not
everybody's opinion, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
This is cue.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I watched him beat that woman. That was enough for
me to be off him as a person. So you
won't hear my voice standing between him and someone thinking
less of him or trying to the idea of a
black man or a black person or anybody being treated
unfairly by the criminal justice system. We know that happens
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all the time. He was not found guilty for the
most serious charges in this case, so I'm not going
to go behind that and say yeah, and even the
stuff he was found guilty of, I think they were
just reaching, Like for.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Why Why am I going to do that for Diddy?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know that man to be a righteous man,
even if I don't know for sure that he's bad.
Like I said, that video was enough for me. I
don't know him personally or have any vested interest in
the public's perception of him or in his daily outcomes.
He has a family, he has a legal defense team
that clearly did a good enough job for him to
not be spending the rest of his natural life in prison.
So our voices or again, let me speak for me,
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my voice being the one that's saying, you know, I
think we weren't fair to Diddy here. That's not happening today.
So I just want to say that again out loud.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, And I want to be very clear too, because
I see where you're going with that.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know, the United States of America has decided what
has happened. I personally, the personal Ramses radio station because
you know, I'm I still DJ. I love DJ uh.
I never really played Diddy's music in the club anyway,
you know what I mean, Like did he like Diddy
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songs like he had his heyday in the clubs at least,
you know, And I don't really DJ on the radio
all that often these days. It's more of like you know,
live audiences and nightclubs things like that. So I mean,
there's really no music to remove from my playlist that's
Diddy music anyway. But moving forward, I know that in
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my mind I'm going to remember this in the same
way that I remember.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
R.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Kelly. You know, Q was the one I said sport,
but he was the one that told me about shoot.
Now I have to say it again for folks that
missed it when R Kelly, when R Kelly the was
it Surviving Our Kelly video came out, I didn't watch that.
I still haven't watched it, you know. Q and I
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famously we take turns on consuming content so that we
don't become overwhelmed with the enormity of being black in
America and reasonably aware of things that are going on.
So we kind of share that burden and The R
Kelly one was one that I set out and Q
was like, I'll jump on that grenade for you for us,
So I will. I will learn about it and share
(31:30):
with you the details you know that are appropriate for
you to know about so that we can move forward.
And uh, I forgot. You know, we're having a conversation.
Were on the way to LA and I was like, okay,
so this means we're definitely not playing R Kelly's music, right,
And he's like, absolutely not. He's like, those songs hit
(31:53):
different when you know that they were written about a
fourteen year old girl, right. So when he said that,
it just switched, and that forever is in my mind
for the rest of my life. Whenever I see R
Kelly's name, even if I see his name in my serato,
I'm like, why is that still in here? You have
to a keyboard chuck to delete your songs so they
don't accidentally do it, but I know it by heart
because of mar Kelly. So I would imagine there'd be
(32:14):
a similar reaction if I saw any Diddy music. I
don't really play Diddy music. I mean those that go
to clubs a lot know that Ditty's music from the
you know, late nineties and early two thousand. It doesn't
really hit in the club these days. But the results
of this trial doesn't mean that Diddy is exonerated. He's
(32:37):
not on a pedestal anything like that. You know, if
I'm speaking about the criminal justice system in and of itself,
it does indeed feel like they got him on a technicality.
But yeah, to your point, Q, he beat up a woman,
which makes you less of a man in the court
(33:00):
of Ramses's opinion, and you know you're bogusing out of
pocket for that. Now add to that all of the
freaky details that came out in the in the trial,
and it's like, yo, fam, this is how do you
push that out of your mind? You know what I'm saying.
I always thought of Diddy as being somebody who was
really cool and somebody who was you know, he changed
(33:22):
his name to the Love or Love not the Love.
Sorry he would laugh at that, but he changed his
name to Love. And you know, I was along for
that ride. I was like, yeah, did he You know,
he's you know, representing, He's got this this kognak and
he's got this business venture, he's got this cologne. He's
all about love and sharing and helping people, and and
(33:44):
then you know, kid cut he has a Molotov cocktail
thrown into his car and you're like yo. And then
there's of course that coupled with the video of him
beating up Cassie, and then all the rest of the stories,
as I mentioned now are are truer in my mind.
So it's like, WHOA, this dude was really heavy handed
(34:06):
with it, like this is and you know, escaping and
all this these this language that people try to interject, inject,
I should say, into this trial, into the narrative, like
we couldn't escape, we were trapped and we were held
prisoner and blah blah blah. It all seems truer now.
So Diddy is a different person now in my mind
(34:31):
that you know, certainly relatives to the person that I
knew him to be as I was growing up. And
at this we're not even talking about the way he
treated as artists. We're not talking about royalties, we're not
talking about you know, blackballing people's careers, we're not talking
about any of that stuff, because all those rumors have
been swirling the whole time too. But I think that
(34:52):
I'll speak for myself. I just tended to give Ditty
the benefit of the doubt because I'm like, well, these
people had an opportunity to work with did these people
were millionaires? These people were they're still famous. You know,
you don't ever get unfamous, you know, So now looking
at it, it's like, oh, I see, he does have
a control thing, and he's you know, I'm putting it
(35:15):
mildly when I say heavy handed, but that's just because
there's nothing else.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
That's the way. That's the way I was thinking heavy hand.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, he's physically hurting people and you know, he's sexually
assaulting people and trying to kill people, and that that's
a different Diddy than I knew. And now those are
facts because even though he's not convicted, to your point, Q,
even though he's not convicted of attempted murder, the fact
is that he did that, or he was behind that,
or at least the story. The fact is, the story
(35:47):
goes the testimony UH suggests that he's behind that that attack,
and that that type of behavior is consistent with you know,
the man UH and that type of behavior, his behavior
I never knew about before.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
So yeah, yeah, going forward, you know, with the you know,
even before the sentencing the I guess the radio chord
of opinion, this is going to be wide reaching to
other artists. Think of his collaborations and the songs he's written.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
I mean, you know, I think of R. Kelly.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
He wrote the gospel song that Marvin sapp sings called Listen.
They had to take that off of gospel radio because
it was written and produced by R.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Kelly.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
So you've got a number of songs, I mean, whether
it's by Puff Bady, P Diddy or whatever. His credits
appear on a lot of songs that aren't performed by him. Well,
those artists also be punished because of this.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, that's something to think about. But again I don't
know that it reaches that far, you know, so they
won't be as.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Far as you know, in the in the chord I'm
talking about punished as far as not having their music played.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, I'm just thinking in terms of the mind of
a radio programmer. That's that's a because you don't want
to dig into your gold. You know, your your goals
and your recurrent records. You know, depending on what format
you're programming, you don't want to dig that deep. And acts,
you know, ten percent of your you know playlist, you know,
from your golds, because then you have less do or
I guess there's plenty of golds, but it just feels
(37:22):
like a lot, you know. But anything that's Diddy, like,
you know, I'll be missing you. You know, can nobody
hold me down? You know, things like that, those like
kind of bigger Heyday Diddy hits. I could see if
a programmer was going to kind of yank those, you know,
they those would be where they would start. But we're
(37:43):
probably going to hear plenty of Biggie songs or you know,
Biggie's long gone, and you know what I mean. And
if we could play Biggie, then we can play Craig Mac,
and we can play Lil Kim, and we can play
you know, all the rest of those those guys. So
I it's just my opinion. I don't know that this
is true, but and and and the truth is like
for programming, you might pull Diddy for two three years
(38:06):
and then nobody's really thinking about it anymore. It's kind
of like when nine to eleven happened, we have this edit,
you know of would that be juicy?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
We had all kinds of things like when the Walls
Come Crumbling Down by John Cougar Mellencamp right right.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
There were some edits that existed.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
It was about one hundred songs on the edit list.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right right, And and it was just during that time, right,
there were edits when you know, there were school shootings,
and there were edits to songs, you know, Kesha Gonna
Die Young. I remember that one Pumped Up Kicks, when
that was a big song, we had to we pulled
that whole song because that whole song was about a
school shooting. And then after a little bit of time,
(38:47):
you know, you know, a year or so, they let
it back on the radio. So that's that's the radio
that I know. So they might, you know, but you know,
they'd have a lot more to work with. I Diddy
had been convicted more of these crimes. And you know,
but the way I know radio is radio's memory lasts
(39:09):
about you know, one to three years, right, and you know,
except with r Kelly, Kelly, everybody a quarter hour?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Can I jump in here real quick, guy, please? I
just want to say so many lots of great, great,
great points from all of you, gentlemen, and I think
a lot of men and women all across the country
stand with you on what you just said about the
abuse and that video. I mean, sadly, that video was everything,
(39:41):
and as far as I'm concerned, it was the catalyst
for this entire case. You know that that's kind of
why this case was born. And certainly, being the only
woman on this call, I have to just stand up
and give a clearion call and say, you know, a
man putting his hands on a woman is just wrong.
I mean, for so many reasons, or even a woman
(40:02):
putting her hands on another woman. I mean, just lets
everybody just do the kindergarten principle of just keeping your
hands to yourself. You know, let's just do that part right,
because listen, the way my anger is set up. You
hit me, I'm a hitch you back. But anyway, Okay, No,
I don't want to digress. But keep in mind, there's
still lots, hundreds, if not thousands, of civil cases still
(40:24):
pending against Itty, So I think we're going to see
some of that start rolling out in the months and
months to come. But I do again want to want
to just say I don't want to put a blanket
over the domestic violence piece of that case. So I
just want us to make sure we do our part
(40:45):
to make sure that that remains a forever part of
the conversation of this trial. In this case, because it
was huge, there was a lot of manipulation, a lot
of abuse, et cetera, et cetera. But I kind of
want to move on from that just and I know
we had almost out of time. But there's also a
social media piece to this, and social media is just
(41:06):
exploding around this case. I mean, so many different angles,
so many different topics. One woman in particular, there were
lots of people gathering outside of the courtroom by the
thousands and thousands, and these people, you know, I heard
one woman say I went from having nine thousand followers
(41:28):
to forty thousand. You know, I'm like, oh my gosh.
So I just wondered if you guys have heard some
of that, Are you reading some of that, are you
seeing some of that? And kind of what's your take
on the social media piece?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Anybody got anything for that?
Speaker 5 (41:45):
No, I'm not heavy on social media.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, I'm notoriously absent from social media. I mean, it's
hard not to see because it's such high velocity and so.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Many people are reacting to it.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
But because of the nature of the work we do
and because of the state of the country right now,
for my own sanity, you know, I follow the bear.
I pay attention to the bare minimum that I need
to to be up to date on these stories that
we cover. But the world in the country has become
a very unstable, dangerous, scary, uncomfortable, stressful place for me
and my family. So I try to avoid the space
(42:21):
as much as I can because it's already hard enough
the day to day. As I've famously shared on all
of our platforms. I have a half Mexican family, so
in a Trump border state, So life is very, very.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Uncomfortable for us right now.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So I try all I can to avoid as much
of the Internet as I can. I post our stories,
I post the things that we cover, and I kind
of learned from Rams is that you can post and
then go away, like you don't have to stay, you
don't have to stay engaged.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I've adopted that policy.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Definitely feel your Q on that I've walked away after
the verdict. That's how I missed that sentencing date because
I walked away so quickly.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad
at anybody that is, you know, throttling the amount of
social media they take in. I will speak to Nicle
what what I've seen on social media, which is, yeah,
there are definitely people who are making this central to
their platform by covering it so closely. And I think
(43:30):
it's the details that are coming or that we're coming
out from the trial that really caused the public to react.
They were like thirsty for those details because you know,
if you're looking through court documents and court records and
you're trying to you know, get to the bottom of,
(43:51):
you know, what happened in a court room, you know,
that could be a pretty dense that's that's a heavy
lift for most most people. But if you're listening to
you know, favorite influencer who's following the trial very closely
and they're just repeating the highlights, it's a lot easier
to get to it. So you have this intersection of
people who are thirsty for these salacious, you know, sexual
(44:12):
details and people who you know find you know, court
proceedings and court documents rather impenetrable, and so there was
a prime opportunity for you know folks to you know
make their or I guess advanced their careers or establish
their careers using this this did he trial. So I've
(44:33):
definitely seen people kind of go all in on this,
and so that doesn't surprise me one bit. What did
surprise me was, you know Q and I talked about yesterday,
it was people dancing out in front of the courtroom,
dousing themselves in baby oil, kind of turn it up like, yeah,
Ditty's free. You know, that felt a little crazy because
you know, we saw all the rest of the stuff
(44:53):
that he did. So to celebrate the fact that he's
you know, not convicted on I guess the most serious
charges feels a little wild because there are no winners
in this story, no matter which way you look at it,
you know what I mean, And so to celebrate feels
a little crazy. But and then, you know, the last
(45:14):
thing I guess I'll say is, you know, I want
to make sure that we echo that because it's very
easy to misspeak. It's very easy to say something intended
to be something and have someone take it the wrong way.
The nature of the work that we do it requires
(45:37):
us to share our thoughts, and try as you might,
you cannot share your thoughts completely enough to you know,
illuminate any shadows of darkness that might exist in the
recesses of a listening audience. Right, So there are inevitably
people who could take what you say, or take what
(46:00):
you don't say, fill in the gaps that their own
mind and sensibilities, you know, pay attention to, and then
co opt your narrative and infuse it with again their sensibilities,
And when you hear it back, you're like, well, that's
not what I said. That's not what I intended to say.
(46:21):
I wasn't even going in that direction, you know, all
that sort of stuff. So because that exists, I want
to make sure that I state plainly that when we
saw did he beat up Cassie in the hotel room,
(46:41):
that was all the way wrong. There's no you know,
free pass for that. You know, that's between him and
God and her, you know what I mean. So I'm
not judging, but I'm also not Go Diddy. That's not
the team I'm on. I've been in a situation. I've
lived forty two years of my life. I've been in love,
(47:03):
i have children, I've been engaged the whole bit, right,
been very fortunate that I've got way more attention than
I probably deserve from the opposite sex, you know, in
my time on this planet, so I have many stories
that I could tell, and some of them have gotten
to that point where people are very upset. I've been
(47:27):
hit by women, never hit back, right, just because my
blackness won't allow me to put myself and my family
wow positions.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
So listen another podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, I can rocket a couple of scars, right. I
just want to make sure I say this because you know, again,
I don't want anybody's mind to take anything that we've
said here and turn it into something is not right.
I personally don't believe that. Like I know my strength
relative to the strength of a woman approximately my size,
will say it that way, right. This body that I
(48:00):
have has testosterone in it, which makes me incredibly strong
pound for pound. Men are stronger than horses. Human men
are stronger than we are strong creatures, right, women, The
nature of the deployment of women is very different. Right,
So a fight is not, for the most part fair grounds,
and so a woman fighting me, I have to in
(48:23):
the moment look at that like it's fair and just
take those licks because I'm going to survive. I've never
felt fear even in the middle of that. Women, on
the other hand, get to feel that fear their life
could and data bears this out that the most dangerous
person to a woman by a long way is her husband.
(48:47):
So I want to make sure that all these are established.
I know all these things. I'm not trying to provide
any cover for anybody, certainly not Diddy. I saw the video.
I know what he did. That's not my guy. But
you know, this is the conversation that we're having because
of the verdict. And you know, before I send you
(49:08):
back on your way, you know, to go listen to
your next podcast, or to go spend time with your family,
or go to work or whatever it is you're doing
when you're listening to this, I wanted to make sure
that you knew that that this is no way providing
any sort of you know, whatever did He was wrong,
super duper wrong on a lot of fronts, and that's
now the truth because he does have a guilty verdict.
(49:31):
I've said my approach to him has forever changed, and
I just and I don't want people listening for rams
is providing any cover for this guy, because that's not
what it is, nor has it ever been that, So
anybody else got anything otherwise, We'll leave it right there.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I think you got it. You nailed it.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
In that case. Thank you both very much for your
time and your insight. Once again Today's guest or Black
Information Network News anchors Nicole Deal and Mike Island. This
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Earlier this week, the verdict for the Sean Diddy Coumbs
trial came in and there's a lot of angles to uncover.
Rather than discuss multiple stories this week, today we'll unpack
the latest reactions to the p Diddy verdict. Today we
are joined by Black Information Network news anchors Nicole Deal
and Mike Island to discuss the story.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is the QR code. He is your host q
Ward and he is your host, ramses Jah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, Nicole and Mike, welcome back to the show. Uh,
this was a big one. We were following this one
pretty closely. Nicole, let's not dawdle. Why not bring us
up to speed was the latest development with the p
Diddy trial?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
All right, ramses Hey, everybody. The sex trafficking trial of
Shawan Didty Combs lasted about seven weeks or so. He
was convicted on two counts of prostitution related to the
Man Act, guilty of transportation to engage in prostitution, which
carries the sentence of up to ten years. So the
(01:05):
prosecution is seeking twenty years and also back to that
in a minute. But the verdict was delivered yesterday on
Wednesday at our Federal Courthouse in New York City. However,
he was found not guilty of the most serious charges
against him, which included racketeering and sex trafficking. So the
(01:26):
Man Act is a US federal law that makes it
illegal to take someone across state lines for illegal sexual activity.
Of course, that's like prostitution or sex with a minor.
That law was originally passed in nineteen ten, and it
was known as the White Slave Traffic Act of nineteen
ten or White Slavery, and it basically meant you were
(01:48):
forcing women into prostitution. So, while I have your undivided attention,
it's just important to say that it was sometimes you
to punish people for being in interracial relationships. Now, of course,
nowadays it clearly focuses on sex trafficking and exploitation, particularly
(02:10):
where a minor is involved. So anyway, as far as
I'm concerned, a violation of the Man Act is still
a very serious crime. And it's serious to me because
being intimate with someone and having sex with that person
it's a beautiful thing, right, But if you force someone,
(02:31):
coerce someone, trick someone, manipulate someone, drug someone, and or
you pay someone to have sex with you, or pay
you to have sex with someone else against their will.
I mean, you're just wrong for that, and you need
to be held accountable for your actions, no matter who
you are, including a multi million dollar rap mogul.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
All right, Mike, your early thoughts on the verdict of
the p.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
All right, Well, this guy was acquitted of the very
things I thought was going to nail him. No wishful
thinking there is, this is what I thought, but convicted
on two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution and
all the things that Nicole outlined. I think a lot
of it centered on Cassie Ventura's accusations of manipulation and
(03:21):
abuse that really drove Didty into the ground. But there
are a number of things that could happen next. But
the sentencing date hasn't been set yet as of this discussion.
So and another thing, I don't think you can but
some folks can. But I don't think you can compare
this situation to the R. Kelly's and Bill Cosby. The
(03:44):
only real relationship between these whole high profile cases is
that they were hugely powerful, successful, talented, beyond measure black
men who apparently did some very bad things that got
out in the open, and it literally negates all the good.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
That they've done.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And Diddy is can He's contributed, contributed immeasurably to radio,
which we are a company that has promoted his releases
on our music apps and all countless promotions across our
radio stations. Uh, these are the repercussions that are really
coming next, that that that affect uh you know what
(04:23):
we do, you know as a media company. So do
we scrap all the Diddy songs off the playlist? What
happens now? The sentencing hasn't happened yet, but we know
something hugely wrong has taken place with someone we uh,
you know, held in high esteem. So there are a
lot of moving parts to this, but after the sentencing
(04:45):
date there will be more because the defense team right
now is working hard and we could see some three
sixties on some things in the relatively short future.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And Q, we had a brief conversation about this yesterday
and now we have a much wider birth to let
land our thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
You first, well, you got to see three different courts
handling this situation. You got to see a civil case
with miss Ventura, you got to see this criminal court,
this criminal court case and then you got to see
the court of public opinion. And because all three of
those courts actually matter, right, even though one of them
(05:32):
cannot render a sentence that you know, leads to any
punitive direct punit of damage, there could be some in
the wake of a decision by the by the public court.
It could definitely affect your bottom line. But the civil
case where there was payment made in a criminal case
where he was on a couple of counts found guilty,
that video came out and made rumor real and in
(05:57):
the court of public opinion, and from that moment there
was no version of this outcome where I thought anything
could be celebrated, right, like whether the prosecution proved their
case or not. Some things were brought to light that
made it, in my mind, not something that we would
cheer about no matter how it turned out.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
So you know, there are some that are.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Celebrating that the worst charges were not and it wasn't
found guilty of them. But I think we learned a lot,
whether it's criminally punishable or not, about mister Colmbs during
this trial and just during this last couple of years
of him just really being in the public spotlight or
some really nefarious things that made it, in my opinion,
impossible to celebrate or feel good no matter what the
(06:42):
outcome was. So, you know, we continue to find out more.
I'm sure there are things that you know, none of
us know about it, including those who you know participated
in this trial, But there was no version of this
were on the other side of it. I was going
to stand up in applaud because it just there was
no there was no winner here, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, I think you're right, there's there's all of us
are going to have a different relationship with Diddy on
the other side of this. And if you look at
things in black and white, you know, I famously said
on the show that I prefer to wait until all
(07:23):
of the facts are laying out and we can look
on the story that happened according to the United States
of America versus the story that we believe or hope happened. Right,
and now that the United States is America has documented
what has happened, is guilty of effectively a prostitution charge
(07:48):
or two prostitution charges. You know that sounds I don't
want to say innocent, but it's sound. It doesn't sound
like it's not the equivalent to like murder or something
like that. There's prostitution charges right. However, as you mentioned
(08:09):
to the Court of public opinion, takes everything that this
trial has brought forth, most notably the video of him
beating Cassie at the hotel, and so moving forward, our
relationship with Diddy is fundamentally changed. Now. Whether or not
(08:34):
that causes radio stations to never play any bad boy
music again, that remains to be seen. That it's hard
to imagine that because radio has forgiven much less than that,
you know, much less than you know, domestic violence, much
(08:56):
less than I really that's that's kind of the big thing.
But you know, I guess, uh freaky behavior. Radio is
forgiven less than that. But but for radio has determined that,
you know, in the case of you know, R Kelly
when it comes to children, that that is just particularly
(09:20):
heinous and you know, that's not something we're going to support.
And I think that these these crimes are different A
and then B. One of these crimes is a crime
his like a crime now in history, it's it's on
the timeline. According to the United States of America, it
(09:41):
has been proven that R. Kelly is guilty of these crimes,
and that is a different outcome than what has happened
with with Diddy. And so I think that while the
court of public opinion certainly does matter and certainly does
provide some influence on radio, I think that you know,
you're right to say that there's three different cored opinions,
(10:03):
and radio would have to reconcile more than one opinion
to determine how to move forward with an artist that
has shaped decades worth of hip hop music and pop music,
to be fair, and so that it might be a
little bit tougher for radio to justify canceling all of
Ditty's catalog are all the songs that pay him as
(10:26):
a result of this verdict, But you know, again, radio,
the relationship will be forever changed. I don't know if
we'll ever hear any new Ditty music on the radio,
just because now people are going to associate him with
like nipples and baby oil and all kinds of stuff
like that, And it just feels a little like, you know,
he got aired out pretty bad. Right. So the other
(10:52):
part of this, I think is you know, the sentencing
and and a slight correction because I know where you
got that from, Mike, But there's a sentencing date set
for October third. The judge actually set the sentencing date.
So he's going to be in there until at least
(11:12):
then because he was denied bail apparently Cassie's lawyers and
other folks said that, you know, did he has a
tendency to retaliate, and there was a lot of people
that aired him out pretty bad. And he needs to
remain behind bars until he's sentenced, otherwise he could pose
a threat to the people that came forward.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
That's too much time, way too much time.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Right exactly, And so and the judge is keeping him
in there until at least until October third for a sentencing.
But that sentencing, you know, and who's to say what
will come of it, because of course it could be
up to twenty years. That's if he's given the maximum
sentence on both counts and they run consecutive, not concurrently, right.
(12:02):
But what I'm hearing, and to be fair, I don't
know much about how the criminal justice system works to
the degree that other people who've been in the criminal
justice system to some degree or another. I've never been
I've never had anything to do with you know, police
or courts or anything and of course I'm not a lawyer,
but my understanding is that based on the fact that
(12:27):
there's no priors verditti and as far as this is concerned,
and you know, the severity of the crimes relative to
the case, that the severity of the conviction relative to
the case that was initially brought, it's unlikely that he's
going to get a maximum sentence. He may end up
with probation or just time served, which you know, by
(12:52):
October I believe he will be have been incarcerated for
approximately a year, so time served would be, you know,
something that the judge could impose on him as well.
So and then you know, circling all the way back
to the beginning, the Man Act. It one of the
(13:14):
things that I found myself questioning. And I heard of
the Man Act once while growing up, and it was
really brought to the front of my mind during a
stand up special by Dave Chappelle. And maybe we've all
seen it. Maybe this will come to mind as I
kind of tell the story. But the way I remember
(13:36):
it is the Man Act was created because people were
very upset in the nineteen tens about the boxer Jack
Johnson winning all of his fights and being very brash
about winning. Right, I'm sure there's you know, this is
(14:01):
the way the story is told, so maybe there's no
footage or anything from way back then, but he was
very My understanding is he was very vulgar and he
was very antagonistic because this was around the time when
boxing was starting to be like integrated, and he was
(14:24):
just a dominant fighter, and all of the best white
fighters at the time they got served and.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
White people really looked at this like, somebody's got to
stop this guy. And one of the ways that he
was he kind of showed how arrogant he was and
kind of rubbed people's noses. And the fact that he
was unbeatable was he was dating white women openly, and
you know, at the time, based on the sensibilities of
the country, folks found that to be offensive and so
(14:57):
they couldn't target him initially, so they would target the
women that he was dating until such a time as
they were able to get this law passed, and then
they were able to target him based on the law
that they had just passed. Because him taking a woman
across state lines who he could argue was his girlfriend,
(15:19):
who he could argue with someone he.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Was dating or whatever. He maybe had many girlfriends, who
knows that was. That's kind of the the origin story
of the law right now. I might have some details wrong,
you know, beat me up in the comments if you want,
but this is my understanding of the Man Act.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, the first time I heard about it, didn't mean
it up there.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
First time I heard it.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Did James Earld Jones portray this boxer in a movie
The Great Wife?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Maybe? Maybe? So maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The very first time I heard of the Man Act,
and I thought they were saying an the Man Act
was in that movie. Yeah, you know, when I was
a kid. That was the first time I ever heard
of it. Of course, I was too young to be
interested enough to look it up. That was the very
first time I heard it. And your comments they're kind
of brought to mind that movie. Yeah, sure, first time
I heard the Man Act.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Sure, sure, yeah, And that's it's actually named after the
person who wrote the law and his last name was M. A. N. N. So.
But yeah, that's what I thought when I heard it initially, too,
And I never looked it up because I'm thinking it's
an old timey law from the nineteenth place or whatever.
So it's like, Okay, well, they clearly set up this
law to get this one guy because he was upsetting
(16:27):
you know, white people and their sensibilities at the time,
it makes sense. I didn't realize that it's still a law.
And to me, I hope this doesn't sound insensitive because
I feel like Ditty was wrong for beating up Cassie.
(16:48):
I feel like that was bogus right, and I feel
like all the other stories are now true as a
result of that. Okay, so this isn't a defense of Ditty,
his morality is Cacharacter's behavior at all. That's not what
I'm here to do. So I hope that that I
don't offend anyone's sensibilities when I say this. But I
feel like being convicted of something like the Man Act
(17:12):
is simply a technicality. They couldn't get him on this stuff,
so they got him on this technicality. And so this
is why I say this feels a little thin, and
it wouldn't surprise me if he walked away with just
time served, because it's just like a well, technically you
did cross state lines with someone that you were paying,
so technically that's illegal based on this law back in
nineteen ten. And so we're gonna there's the conviction right there,
(17:37):
we got something right. But a judge looking at that
is going to have to say, Okay, well, yes, this
is an old timey law. These people were consenting. There's
no harm based on the actual conviction that she has
to pass down a judgment on. These people were consenting.
There's no priors as far as this charge is concerned,
(17:58):
et cetera, et cetera. Can I give up human being
twenty years based on this conviction? And this is how
a judge is supposed to look at you know these things,
and it's hard to imagine the answer being yes, last
thing I'll say and then I'll pass this back. But
because of that now technicality, because of the fact, Mike,
(18:23):
I think you made the point. You help me make
the point that now this this law has now been
brought back in a major way to public consciousness. I
think there's going to be a lot of people who
will alter their relationships that they have with folks that
(18:43):
they might fly out to their city, people that might
go on road trips with people, you know what I mean,
Like you got to really have that relationship well defined.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know what I mean, like, so yeah, there's there's
you know, because again, the fact that it feels like
a technicality. It maybe this is you know, conspiracy, brother,
but like to get a black man caught up on
a charge based on a technicality feels like a common
(19:21):
story in our world. You know, we call them trumped
up charges, where it's like yo, like that's not all right,
you know cool, But now you know everyone else was
potentially can look at this like, well, shoot, okay, what
are the implications for me? You know what I mean?
I date outside of my city because I don't like
(19:43):
the dating pool in my city. These people aren't my
long term partners. We're just getting to know each other.
And if someone's going to fly out and spend their time,
I might take them shopping. I might give them some
spending money while they're on the ground here with me
in Miami or in I don't know where, Chicago, wherever
they live. And you know, I'm referring specifically to like
athletes and people with means, you know, actors and you know,
(20:07):
so forth, those type of folks that do that. But
you know, this is a common practice, and now it's
kind of seeing it this way and I might not
have all the details straight, but this is kind of
based on some online chatter and some personal kind of
you know, processing, mental processing of kind of the the
ripple effect of this this verdict. You know, we're going
(20:29):
to change the way that we approach ditty and we're
going to change the way that we approach dating and
all that sort of stuff. You know, maybe maybe not,
but you know, this is my thoughts. So you know,
anybody want to jump in here. I don't want to
call on someone that's still kind of formulating any thoughts. Mee, Okay,
well go ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I mean, I agree with everything that has already been said.
They're definitely going to be ramifications and repercussions and areas
that that this is going to trickle down legal system
in so many ways in the music industry and in
lots of ways that have already been pointed out. I
definitely want to circle back and talk a little bit
(21:11):
more about the sentencing, because I think that the verdict
here is it had to be a big, big relief
and a win for the defense. You know, that verdict
in and of itself means that that Comb's dodged a
bullet and avoided a potential life sentence. Now, of course
(21:32):
we've already talked about because of the guilty verdict, you know,
the two counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. He's
still going to face up to twenty years in prison,
ten years for each one of those convictions. But I
want to second something that Q talked about because probably
one of the most compelling things that brought about that
guilty verdict were the allegations from two of his former girlfriends.
(21:55):
Cassie Ventura obviously accused him of manipulation and abuse, and
of course you know that horrific viral video that we
all saw of him assaulting her at a hotel. But
I mentioned that because I think her testimony and factors
like that video already played a huge role in him
being denied bail. But I think it will also play
(22:18):
a big role when it comes down to sentencing, which,
by the way, you've already talked about, its scheduled for October.
Of course, Diddy's legal team did everything they could to
have that date pushed up and have him released on
bond while he was awaiting sentencing. Obviously, I don't think
that's going to happen. He's going to stay in jail
(22:40):
Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, New York. But I think
it's important to note too that they was some of
his legal team. They proposed a million dollar bond for
him house arrested Star Island mansion in Miami, of course,
or maybe his Upper east Side apartment in New York,
and other strict strict conditions like travel limits, drug testing,
(23:03):
no internet or phone access, and no visitors except his
legal counsel and all of this type of stuff. But again,
you know, the judge obviously didn't want to do that,
and I think the prosecutors basically made a better argument
that his history of violence and the nature of the
two convictions warranted him staying where he is, and the
(23:27):
judge obviously agreed with the prosecution, and he cited that
testimony from some of the victims, and also he was
concerned about some of the victims and the witness's safety,
and so, of course, you know, I don't have a
crystal ball. I don't know what's going to happen, but
I don't think he's gonna get out before October. They
(23:50):
might appeal, they might, you know, do whatever, but I
don't think that's gonna happen. But as far as what
will happen, do you think President Trump will pardon him? Whoa,
they're bros. Not really, but they do have a relationship.
They do have a rapport.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I mean, hmmm, Trump up charges has a different meaning
in this discussion.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Almost said that, Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I
guess I'll jump on that one. If I had to guess,
I'd say no. The only reason is because I feel
like maybe if Trump was going to intervene, he would
(24:40):
have done it already. Maybe, right, isn't that something the
president can do?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Well, yeah, he probably would have done it already, but
he's got too many other distractions things he's working on.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Maybe he'll get to that eventually.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It's probably on his list, Okay, Okay, Well, yeah, I
I think that it would have been a combination of
the fact that he would have done it already, coupled
with the fact that this is such a high profile
and divisive case from somebody who has several stains on
(25:17):
his reputation. Maybe his team would tell him like, hey,
you probably shouldn't touch the diddy. Oh that sounds funny.
You probably shouldn't touch touch the ditty. Trial just because
Trump himself is associated with sexual assault. He's associated with rape,
he's associated with grab him by the P word, you
(25:39):
know what I mean. Trump probably wouldn't care at all,
but his team people around him might say, hey, look,
just let that play out the way it's going to
play out and leave it. Leave it be. Trump doesn't
need Ditty anymore, you know what I mean. Diddy would
need Trump moving forward. Trump is going to be for
the rest of his days well insulated. So my thoughts
(26:01):
as far as Trump been, Diddy or concern, if anybody
else has anything to add that I might be missing.
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Speaker 2 (27:07):
Got on, Well, I think the last thing that you
said is the most important thing in that whole piece
is that Trump doesn't need Diddy.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's why he wouldn't intervene.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Not because his team is afraid that there'd be some
type of backlage like yeah, right, Donald Trump that grab
him by the P word.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
It was before he was the president.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
He still won twice, so he's not worried about his
base being outraged or him being embarrassed, or he knows
he can do and say anything and it won't change anything,
so that he doesn't actually care about anybody and doesn't
need him. It is why he wouldn't intervene, not because
somebody on his team thought it would be bad pr Like, yeah, right,
(27:49):
before we move completely on, I really try hard not
to conflate unfair treatment by a criminal justice system and
this particular case. Our names are on this, our voices
are on this. I am not trying to have us
for be the ones standing between the public's opinion of
(28:11):
Diddy and Diddy like he's proven through this thing, if
not to be guilty of all those charges, to not
be a good human being. There was testimony in this
trial that he tried to unalive Kid Cutty.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
That's multiple people's testimony.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Now he wasn't found guilty of any of that, but
I'm not the one standing on giving him the benefit
of the doubt for anything. The video alone, and this
is for me alone, so I can't This is not
everybody's opinion, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
This is cue.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I watched him beat that woman. That was enough for
me to be off him as a person. So you
won't hear my voice standing between him and someone thinking
less of him or trying to the idea of a
black man or a black person or anybody being treated
unfairly by the criminal justice system. We know that happens
(29:03):
all the time. He was not found guilty for the
most serious charges in this case, so I'm not going
to go behind that and say yeah, and even the
stuff he was found guilty of, I think they were
just reaching, Like for.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Why Why am I going to do that for Diddy?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know that man to be a righteous man,
even if I don't know for sure that he's bad.
Like I said, that video was enough for me. I
don't know him personally or have any vested interest in
the public's perception of him or in his daily outcomes.
He has a family, he has a legal defense team
that clearly did a good enough job for him to
not be spending the rest of his natural life in prison.
So our voices or again, let me speak for me,
(29:42):
my voice being the one that's saying, you know, I
think we weren't fair to Diddy here. That's not happening today.
So I just want to say that again out loud.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, And I want to be very clear too, because
I see where you're going with that.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
You know, the United States of America has decided what
has happened. I personally, the personal Ramses radio station because
you know, I'm I still DJ. I love DJ uh.
I never really played Diddy's music in the club anyway,
you know what I mean, Like did he like Diddy
(30:18):
songs like he had his heyday in the clubs at least,
you know, And I don't really DJ on the radio
all that often these days. It's more of like you know,
live audiences and nightclubs things like that. So I mean,
there's really no music to remove from my playlist that's
Diddy music anyway. But moving forward, I know that in
(30:41):
my mind I'm going to remember this in the same
way that I remember.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
R.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Kelly. You know, Q was the one I said sport,
but he was the one that told me about shoot.
Now I have to say it again for folks that
missed it when R Kelly, when R Kelly the was
it Surviving Our Kelly video came out, I didn't watch that.
I still haven't watched it, you know. Q and I
(31:09):
famously we take turns on consuming content so that we
don't become overwhelmed with the enormity of being black in
America and reasonably aware of things that are going on.
So we kind of share that burden and The R
Kelly one was one that I set out and Q
was like, I'll jump on that grenade for you for us,
So I will. I will learn about it and share
(31:30):
with you the details you know that are appropriate for
you to know about so that we can move forward.
And uh, I forgot. You know, we're having a conversation.
Were on the way to LA and I was like, okay,
so this means we're definitely not playing R Kelly's music, right,
And he's like, absolutely not. He's like, those songs hit
(31:53):
different when you know that they were written about a
fourteen year old girl, right. So when he said that,
it just switched, and that forever is in my mind
for the rest of my life. Whenever I see R
Kelly's name, even if I see his name in my serato,
I'm like, why is that still in here? You have
to a keyboard chuck to delete your songs so they
don't accidentally do it, but I know it by heart
because of mar Kelly. So I would imagine there'd be
(32:14):
a similar reaction if I saw any Diddy music. I
don't really play Diddy music. I mean those that go
to clubs a lot know that Ditty's music from the
you know, late nineties and early two thousand. It doesn't
really hit in the club these days. But the results
of this trial doesn't mean that Diddy is exonerated. He's
(32:37):
not on a pedestal anything like that. You know, if
I'm speaking about the criminal justice system in and of itself,
it does indeed feel like they got him on a technicality.
But yeah, to your point, Q, he beat up a woman,
which makes you less of a man in the court
(33:00):
of Ramses's opinion, and you know you're bogusing out of
pocket for that. Now add to that all of the
freaky details that came out in the in the trial,
and it's like, yo, fam, this is how do you
push that out of your mind? You know what I'm saying.
I always thought of Diddy as being somebody who was
really cool and somebody who was you know, he changed
(33:22):
his name to the Love or Love not the Love.
Sorry he would laugh at that, but he changed his
name to Love. And you know, I was along for
that ride. I was like, yeah, did he You know,
he's you know, representing, He's got this this kognak and
he's got this business venture, he's got this cologne. He's
all about love and sharing and helping people, and and
(33:44):
then you know, kid cut he has a Molotov cocktail
thrown into his car and you're like yo. And then
there's of course that coupled with the video of him
beating up Cassie, and then all the rest of the stories,
as I mentioned now are are truer in my mind.
So it's like, WHOA, this dude was really heavy handed
(34:06):
with it, like this is and you know, escaping and
all this these this language that people try to interject, inject,
I should say, into this trial, into the narrative, like
we couldn't escape, we were trapped and we were held
prisoner and blah blah blah. It all seems truer now.
So Diddy is a different person now in my mind
(34:31):
that you know, certainly relatives to the person that I
knew him to be as I was growing up. And
at this we're not even talking about the way he
treated as artists. We're not talking about royalties, we're not
talking about you know, blackballing people's careers, we're not talking
about any of that stuff, because all those rumors have
been swirling the whole time too. But I think that
(34:52):
I'll speak for myself. I just tended to give Ditty
the benefit of the doubt because I'm like, well, these
people had an opportunity to work with did these people
were millionaires? These people were they're still famous. You know,
you don't ever get unfamous, you know, So now looking
at it, it's like, oh, I see, he does have
a control thing, and he's you know, I'm putting it
(35:15):
mildly when I say heavy handed, but that's just because
there's nothing else.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
That's the way. That's the way I was thinking heavy hand.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, he's physically hurting people and you know, he's sexually
assaulting people and trying to kill people, and that that's
a different Diddy than I knew. And now those are
facts because even though he's not convicted, to your point, Q,
even though he's not convicted of attempted murder, the fact
is that he did that, or he was behind that,
or at least the story. The fact is, the story
(35:47):
goes the testimony UH suggests that he's behind that that attack,
and that that type of behavior is consistent with you know,
the man UH and that type of behavior, his behavior
I never knew about before.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
So yeah, yeah, going forward, you know, with the you know,
even before the sentencing the I guess the radio chord
of opinion, this is going to be wide reaching to
other artists. Think of his collaborations and the songs he's written.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
I mean, you know, I think of R. Kelly.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
He wrote the gospel song that Marvin sapp sings called Listen.
They had to take that off of gospel radio because
it was written and produced by R.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Kelly.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
So you've got a number of songs, I mean, whether
it's by Puff Bady, P Diddy or whatever. His credits
appear on a lot of songs that aren't performed by him. Well,
those artists also be punished because of this.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, that's something to think about. But again I don't
know that it reaches that far, you know, so they
won't be as.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Far as you know, in the in the chord I'm
talking about punished as far as not having their music played.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, I'm just thinking in terms of the mind of
a radio programmer. That's that's a because you don't want
to dig into your gold. You know, your your goals
and your recurrent records. You know, depending on what format
you're programming, you don't want to dig that deep. And acts,
you know, ten percent of your you know playlist, you know,
from your golds, because then you have less do or
I guess there's plenty of golds, but it just feels
(37:22):
like a lot, you know. But anything that's Diddy, like,
you know, I'll be missing you. You know, can nobody
hold me down? You know, things like that, those like
kind of bigger Heyday Diddy hits. I could see if
a programmer was going to kind of yank those, you know,
they those would be where they would start. But we're
(37:43):
probably going to hear plenty of Biggie songs or you know,
Biggie's long gone, and you know what I mean. And
if we could play Biggie, then we can play Craig Mac,
and we can play Lil Kim, and we can play
you know, all the rest of those those guys. So
I it's just my opinion. I don't know that this
is true, but and and and the truth is like
for programming, you might pull Diddy for two three years
(38:06):
and then nobody's really thinking about it anymore. It's kind
of like when nine to eleven happened, we have this edit,
you know of would that be juicy?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
We had all kinds of things like when the Walls
Come Crumbling Down by John Cougar Mellencamp right right.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
There were some edits that existed.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
It was about one hundred songs on the edit list.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Right right, And and it was just during that time, right,
there were edits when you know, there were school shootings,
and there were edits to songs, you know, Kesha Gonna
Die Young. I remember that one Pumped Up Kicks, when
that was a big song, we had to we pulled
that whole song because that whole song was about a
school shooting. And then after a little bit of time,
(38:47):
you know, you know, a year or so, they let
it back on the radio. So that's that's the radio
that I know. So they might, you know, but you know,
they'd have a lot more to work with. I Diddy
had been convicted more of these crimes. And you know,
but the way I know radio is radio's memory lasts
(39:09):
about you know, one to three years, right, and you know,
except with r Kelly, Kelly, everybody a quarter hour?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Can I jump in here real quick, guy, please? I
just want to say so many lots of great, great,
great points from all of you, gentlemen, and I think
a lot of men and women all across the country
stand with you on what you just said about the
abuse and that video. I mean, sadly, that video was everything,
(39:41):
and as far as I'm concerned, it was the catalyst
for this entire case. You know that that's kind of
why this case was born. And certainly, being the only
woman on this call, I have to just stand up
and give a clearion call and say, you know, a
man putting his hands on a woman is just wrong.
I mean, for so many reasons, or even a woman
(40:02):
putting her hands on another woman. I mean, just lets
everybody just do the kindergarten principle of just keeping your
hands to yourself. You know, let's just do that part right,
because listen, the way my anger is set up. You
hit me, I'm a hitch you back. But anyway, Okay, No,
I don't want to digress. But keep in mind, there's
still lots, hundreds, if not thousands, of civil cases still
(40:24):
pending against Itty, So I think we're going to see
some of that start rolling out in the months and
months to come. But I do again want to want
to just say I don't want to put a blanket
over the domestic violence piece of that case. So I
just want us to make sure we do our part
(40:45):
to make sure that that remains a forever part of
the conversation of this trial. In this case, because it
was huge, there was a lot of manipulation, a lot
of abuse, et cetera, et cetera. But I kind of
want to move on from that just and I know
we had almost out of time. But there's also a
social media piece to this, and social media is just
(41:06):
exploding around this case. I mean, so many different angles,
so many different topics. One woman in particular, there were
lots of people gathering outside of the courtroom by the
thousands and thousands, and these people, you know, I heard
one woman say I went from having nine thousand followers
(41:28):
to forty thousand. You know, I'm like, oh my gosh.
So I just wondered if you guys have heard some
of that, Are you reading some of that, are you
seeing some of that? And kind of what's your take
on the social media piece?
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Anybody got anything for that?
Speaker 5 (41:45):
No, I'm not heavy on social media.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, I'm notoriously absent from social media. I mean, it's
hard not to see because it's such high velocity and so.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Many people are reacting to it.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
But because of the nature of the work we do
and because of the state of the country right now,
for my own sanity, you know, I follow the bear.
I pay attention to the bare minimum that I need
to to be up to date on these stories that
we cover. But the world in the country has become
a very unstable, dangerous, scary, uncomfortable, stressful place for me
and my family. So I try to avoid the space
(42:21):
as much as I can because it's already hard enough
the day to day. As I've famously shared on all
of our platforms. I have a half Mexican family, so
in a Trump border state, So life is very, very.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Uncomfortable for us right now.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
So I try all I can to avoid as much
of the Internet as I can. I post our stories,
I post the things that we cover, and I kind
of learned from Rams is that you can post and
then go away, like you don't have to stay, you
don't have to stay engaged.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I've adopted that policy.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
Definitely feel your Q on that I've walked away after
the verdict. That's how I missed that sentencing date because
I walked away so quickly.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad
at anybody that is, you know, throttling the amount of
social media they take in. I will speak to Nicle
what what I've seen on social media, which is, yeah,
there are definitely people who are making this central to
their platform by covering it so closely. And I think
(43:30):
it's the details that are coming or that we're coming
out from the trial that really caused the public to react.
They were like thirsty for those details because you know,
if you're looking through court documents and court records and
you're trying to you know, get to the bottom of,
(43:51):
you know, what happened in a court room, you know,
that could be a pretty dense that's that's a heavy
lift for most most people. But if you're listening to
you know, favorite influencer who's following the trial very closely
and they're just repeating the highlights, it's a lot easier
to get to it. So you have this intersection of
people who are thirsty for these salacious, you know, sexual
(44:12):
details and people who you know find you know, court
proceedings and court documents rather impenetrable, and so there was
a prime opportunity for you know folks to you know
make their or I guess advanced their careers or establish
their careers using this this did he trial. So I've
(44:33):
definitely seen people kind of go all in on this,
and so that doesn't surprise me one bit. What did
surprise me was, you know Q and I talked about yesterday,
it was people dancing out in front of the courtroom,
dousing themselves in baby oil, kind of turn it up like, yeah,
Ditty's free. You know, that felt a little crazy because
you know, we saw all the rest of the stuff
(44:53):
that he did. So to celebrate the fact that he's
you know, not convicted on I guess the most serious
charges feels a little wild because there are no winners
in this story, no matter which way you look at it,
you know what I mean, And so to celebrate feels
a little crazy. But and then, you know, the last
(45:14):
thing I guess I'll say is, you know, I want
to make sure that we echo that because it's very
easy to misspeak. It's very easy to say something intended
to be something and have someone take it the wrong way.
The nature of the work that we do it requires
(45:37):
us to share our thoughts, and try as you might,
you cannot share your thoughts completely enough to you know,
illuminate any shadows of darkness that might exist in the
recesses of a listening audience. Right, So there are inevitably
people who could take what you say, or take what
(46:00):
you don't say, fill in the gaps that their own
mind and sensibilities, you know, pay attention to, and then
co opt your narrative and infuse it with again their sensibilities,
And when you hear it back, you're like, well, that's
not what I said. That's not what I intended to say.
(46:21):
I wasn't even going in that direction, you know, all
that sort of stuff. So because that exists, I want
to make sure that I state plainly that when we
saw did he beat up Cassie in the hotel room,
(46:41):
that was all the way wrong. There's no you know,
free pass for that. You know, that's between him and
God and her, you know what I mean. So I'm
not judging, but I'm also not Go Diddy. That's not
the team I'm on. I've been in a situation. I've
lived forty two years of my life. I've been in love,
(47:03):
i have children, I've been engaged the whole bit, right,
been very fortunate that I've got way more attention than
I probably deserve from the opposite sex, you know, in
my time on this planet, so I have many stories
that I could tell, and some of them have gotten
to that point where people are very upset. I've been
(47:27):
hit by women, never hit back, right, just because my
blackness won't allow me to put myself and my family
wow positions.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
So listen another podcast.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, I can rocket a couple of scars, right. I
just want to make sure I say this because you know, again,
I don't want anybody's mind to take anything that we've
said here and turn it into something is not right.
I personally don't believe that. Like I know my strength
relative to the strength of a woman approximately my size,
will say it that way, right. This body that I
(48:00):
have has testosterone in it, which makes me incredibly strong
pound for pound. Men are stronger than horses. Human men
are stronger than we are strong creatures, right, women, The
nature of the deployment of women is very different. Right,
So a fight is not, for the most part fair grounds,
and so a woman fighting me, I have to in
(48:23):
the moment look at that like it's fair and just
take those licks because I'm going to survive. I've never
felt fear even in the middle of that. Women, on
the other hand, get to feel that fear their life
could and data bears this out that the most dangerous
person to a woman by a long way is her husband.
(48:47):
So I want to make sure that all these are established.
I know all these things. I'm not trying to provide
any cover for anybody, certainly not Diddy. I saw the video.
I know what he did. That's not my guy. But
you know, this is the conversation that we're having because
of the verdict. And you know, before I send you
(49:08):
back on your way, you know, to go listen to
your next podcast, or to go spend time with your family,
or go to work or whatever it is you're doing
when you're listening to this, I wanted to make sure
that you knew that that this is no way providing
any sort of you know, whatever did He was wrong,
super duper wrong on a lot of fronts, and that's
now the truth because he does have a guilty verdict.
(49:31):
I've said my approach to him has forever changed, and
I just and I don't want people listening for rams
is providing any cover for this guy, because that's not
what it is, nor has it ever been that, So
anybody else got anything otherwise, We'll leave it right there.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
I think you got it. You nailed it.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
In that case. Thank you both very much for your
time and your insight. Once again Today's guest or Black
Information Network News anchors Nicole Deal and Mike Island. This
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