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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspectives, seek understanding, and shape outcomes.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am Rams's.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Job, Ramsey's jaw, I am your brother, q Ward, Yes
you what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Man? Everything?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Man? We got an amazing show today. I'm really excited
to get into the weeds and a lot for you
to stick around for. We are going to be discussing
Father's Day. Funnily enough, we came across some people that
still subscribe to the myth that black fathers were largely
not present on Father's Day. So we have to address
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that myth because a lot of people still believe that
black men don't father our children. So we're going to
take some time to do that. We're also going to
discuss something I just found out about. It's been referred
to as the chopped man epidemic, and there are people
that believe that it is in part contributing to the
rise in far right rhetoric, particularly with men, you know,
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leaving more progressive values and parties and moving in that direction.
We're also going to take some time to discuss Gavin Newsome.
There's a question as to whether or not he's the
man to stand against Donald Trump, and there are a
lot of people that feel a lot of ways about that.
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So we're going to get into those weeds as well.
And then for entertainment, we're going to discuss something that
you know, both being big fans of the West Coast,
me being from Compton, California myself, the fact that Kendrick
Lamar sold out back to back shows in Drake's hometown.
We're also going to kind of see what the implications
of that are. And so we have all of that
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and so much more to stick around for. And I
have to tease it because I really want to Qwards clapback.
You don't want to miss that, Yeah, because he's he's
feeling some kind of way this morning. So, like I said,
all that and so much more to stick around for.
But of course it is time always to start off
with our feel good features. So we're gonna share a
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bit from KTLA dot com. And this isn't your typical
but we like it. So. Singer and social media personality
Neza performed the National Anthem in Spanish at Dodgers Stadium
on Saturday night, despite being told beforehand she was expected
to sing it. In English. Quote, so we are going
to do it in English today. I'm not sure if
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that was relayed, an official can be heard saying in
a video Naza posted on social media. Instead, she chose
to sing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish, a version
originally commissioned in nineteen forty five, and a video posted
to TikTok. Neza shared an emotional explanation, I just felt
I needed to do it badamikente, she said, safe to say,
I'm never allowed in that stadium ever again. Quote. The
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team has not released an official statement regarding the protest
or ice raids, but did clarify that fam misconduct will
not be tolerated. During a recent game, a spectator was
removed from the stands for holding an anti I sign,
prompting both booze and cheers from the crowd. So, yeah,
I've already said that I love this Q you care
to share how you feel?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's an interesting stance.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You know, almost exactly half the population in Los Angeles's Hispanic,
so you know, of course they haven't released a public
statement because that would drastically affect their market share and
you know, whatever else they actually care about, if they
really cared about doing the right thing, they would have
never told her not to do it in Spanish in
the first place. That's that's my whole take. Like shout
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out to her for standing up for Ladasa. Yeah, exactly,
And I think you said it best. You know, there
are people in California who are citizens, I'm sure, who
maybe don't speak English, and so they've heard the national
anthem of their country, this country, the United States, and
never fully understood it. And what she did brought them
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into the conversation as well. So anybody that's hating on
this just has too much hate in their heart.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
This is special, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So you know, we had an we had a big
weekend coming off of you know, yesterday's show, How was
your Father's Day? Q?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
My Father's Day was interesting, man. You know, spending it
Father's Day has always been complicated. Let me start there,
losing my father when I was sixteen years old. You know,
eventually you kind of you cope better and it's not
as difficult and it's not as heavy, and Father's Day
traditionally brings you back to the absence of your father,
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except becoming a dad. Kind of flip that where it's
the day where you know, as dad, you become the
one being celebrated and the one who's kind of has
the spotlight shined on you. So you know, I didn't
get to spend the day with the kids because I
was working, but you know I had some special face
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times with them, and you know that always makes my
heart warm, man. But Father's Day has a traditionally complicate, hated,
emotional kind of it's a collectively complicated emotional day for me.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sure, sure I.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Know your story, so i'd i'd go with that. You know,
I have two sons. I didn't get to see both
of them, but I heard from my older son he's
he's living his life. And my little boy, you know,
he wasn't too busy to come see dad, so, you know,
because he'd be busy.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's busy nephew outside. Now he's growing up. Man.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But you know, uh, there's something that kind of always
bugged me, you know, growing up, and it was this
idea that black men didn't, you know, take care of
our children. And you know, I recognize that there are
some examples, you know, a lot of examples of black
men not taking care of their children. But there are
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a lot of examples men in general not taking care
of their children, and somehow our race was the one
that was labeled as particularly I guess particularly susceptible to
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black absentee fathers. Somehow like black men, somehow we just
didn't love our children or something like that. And that's
something that never felt right to me, because you know,
in Africa, where black people are, you don't hear about that, right,
and so this idea that black men, because of their
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blackness are somehow absent from their children's lives felt a
little strange, and that's something that I had always connected.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, that's the important part though that you point out.
It's because of the blackness part. That's the that's the
whole reason that the narrative exists, Right. It's not that
some men leave and don't stay with the women that
they have children with that they're either not married to
or that they divorce and want nothing to do with.
It's that black men, because they're black, don't stay and
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take care of a raise, or support or protect their children.
So that's the reason why that ridiculous narrative ever came
into play, was so someone would have an excuse to
say the why part out loud.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Sure, I think that what you're saying, I want to
add a little bit more to it. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I didn't prepare these notes, but this is something that
we learned and researched a long time ago during Civic Cipher.
Now black men and women marriage rates, particularly with respected
black women, are low. Okay, Black women are the most
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likely to be unmarried, unwed and most likely as a result,
to have children out of wedlock. If I remember that directly,
and you know, number change, numbers change, But you know,
this is kind of the way I remember the story
that we covered. But there are roots there too, and
they go back the origin story of that sort of
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the primordial ooze of that phenomenon happened right around the
time of.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The Great Depression, where poor white.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Families were able to receive benefits and they were prioritized
over poor black families. Poor black families that had a
father in the home were more likely to be turned
away and say, hey, look, you have you know, two
people in the household, you guys will be fine. And
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so that started this idea of hey, look if we're
not together, we will have a better chance of raising
a successful family, right, And that was those flames were
fanned if I'm not mistaken, in like the fifties or
sixties by Democrats, because Democrats saw that data of like
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unwed mothers and started to create this idea that all
of the problems that black people were dealing with were
the result of you know, this facet of the country.
And you know, there's other problems that because black women
were married, you know, well married well.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Into you know, the seventies.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think in the eighties it started to drop off
a little bit, but you know that's where the flames
were fanned, Okay, And you know the culture ships. I
always say, you know, poverty shapes shapes culture more than
culture shapes you know, poverty or culture leads to poverty,
poverty will shape your culture. And so now there's a
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culture of like this is okay, we don't need to
be married, and you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And that's not just.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Exclusively black folks, but that it's important that we say
that because I think a lot of people when they
see an unwed mother, they think this mother is doing
it alone. And the CDC did a study in twenty
seven or sorry it is twenty fourteen, If I'm not mistaken,
where they actually dug into this to try to figure
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out what was going on with not just Black people,
but all people, all races with paying particular attention to fathers. Now,
I'm telling you this like you don't know it because
we've talked about it before. But for the benefit of
our listeners, I'm going to share a bit from Vox,
not because they're particularly special, but because they capture this
I think better than some of the other articles that
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we could have sourced. So this is from Vox. There's
a very pervasive myth about black fathers that they're more
often than not absent from their children's lives. But if
you look at the data, it turns out the truth
is far more complicated than the ugly stereotype suggest New
York Times columnist Charles Blow previously took on this myth.
Blow started with the basis for much of the idea.
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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data showed seventy one
point five percent of black non Hispanic children in twenty
thirteen were born to unmarried women, compared with twenty nine
point three percent of white non Hispanic children. Okay, so
that's a little bit more than double there. Okay, But,
as Josh Levs pointed out in his new book All
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in two and a half million of four point two
million black fathers, or about fifty nine point five percent,
live with their children.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay. They may not be married to the mother, but
they live in the house.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, And this goes back to that culture, that shift
of culture to poverty shaping that Lev's numbers suggest that
it's not true, as the CDC figures suggest that seventy
one point five percent of black dads are absent from
their homes, but rather that many of them are simply unmarried.
And when black fathers do live with their children, they're
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just as if not more, likely to be involved in
their kids everyday lives blow sided CDC data that showed
black fathers are more likely than their white and Hispanic
counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe diaper, dress, play with,
and read to their children on a daily basis. I
want to read that again. Black fathers are more likely
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than white and Hispanic counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe, diaper, dress,
play with, and read to their children on a daily basis.
While some of the differences in the data aren't statistically significant,
the figures indicate that Black dads are at least as
likely to remain involved in their children's lives as those
of other races. Still, the same CDC data shows black
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men are nearly three times as likely as white men
to have at least one child they don't live with,
but Blow pointed to policy driven issues that may be
driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers,
David Leonhardt, and Kevin Queeley for The New York Times
found that there are one hundred Black women not in
jail or prison for every eighty three non incarcerated Black men,
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So mass incarceration has actually drained one and a half
million Black men, many of whom are young and marrying age,
from their communities, making it more difficult for black women
to find committed partners of the same race. That's all
I needed to say, que, you know, way in here.
I mean, there's not much to say after that. The
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pushing back on the narrative not being true, supported by
the data and the facts that support where we stand
where as present, if not more so than every other
ethnic group with regards to raising, rearing, and.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Nurturing our children.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And it's always been as important to us as everyone knows.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But again, the.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Whole narrative was shaped so they could check another box
to why ying black was bad and another example of
them being by every measurement and every calculation.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Incorrect.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, well, I'm glad we get to talk about this
sort of stuff. I'll say that much, all right, Moving on,
chopped man epidemic. Okay, I just heard about this today.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think you're in the same boat as me.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Right, Yeah, even once you said it, I didn't know
it was a thing like calling it the something epidemic
when you haven't heard no one's ever heard of is
you know, Well, well apparently not no one. But if
it's an epidemic, we should all know about it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, all right, So I want to you know, full
disclosure here, Q and I would like to do journalistically
credible research. You know, Chris Thompson demands it, We demand
it of ourselves, right and of course our listeners demanded
as well. But every so often we come across something
like this where the research hasn't caught up to it.
So we're going to do our best to kind of
explain this to you. I think I'll go first, because
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I've been in these weeds a little bit more THANQ.
But this is primarily a social media algorithm site based phenomenon.
Insofar as I can tell, there are no art about
this or anything like that, but it's prevalent enough and
it's being circulated enough to where it's something that you know,
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kind of fits some We need to talk about chopped
man epidemic. First off, Chopped is a term that is
used to describe an undesirable in terms of dating an
undesirable man. In other words, this is something that women
I suppose of dating age and who are subscribing to
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this sort of dating culture will.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Refer to.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
A man as being chopped if he's not desirable. Right, So,
the implication of the term chopped man epidemic is that
there are women who feel that most men are undesirable
to them. There's a there's a lot of men that
are not desirable. And there's a video that ended up
kind of going viral and setting off this whole thing, right,
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and this was a woman saying that she received a
compliment and it made her day because the compliment came
from someone that she considered.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
To be attractive and.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Because she never got compliments or I'm not going to
pretend like I don't want to speak for her at all,
and the video you're welcome to look for it online.
I couldn't tell you a link because this format doesn't
work that way, but you're welcome to look for it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
She'll give you her whole deal.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But I think the gist of it is that she
didn't feel like there were enough men, or I guess
the culture surrounding her statement is that there are not
enough attractive men to pay compliments to women these days,
to the point where they would take them home and
feel special about them if it did happen from an
attractive enough man. Okay, so this is the chopped man epidemic. Now,
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I've come across a lot of things. We had to
cover the election last year. We've had to kind of
pay attention to, you know, just being and working in
this space. We've had to pay attention to kind of
how the world is changing in this way. And you know,
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if you were to get information from like dating apps
things like.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
This, you could easily.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Surmise that men are having a tougher time finding partners
than ever before. That's not to say that women aren't,
but I think that the dating app trend has hit
men particularly hard, and we're going to share some data
with you in case you don't know. But I want
to paint this picture so that the data will help
it stick. There are a lot of men politically that
have shifted right because they have now gotten to the
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point where they push back against feminism, They push back
against female empowerment, they push back against me too, they
push back against all these things. There are people that
say that these things have overcorrected, and now men are
suffering as a result of this, and they become increasingly
frustrated with their results, particularly when it comes to romance
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romantic endeavors, and then they find a sense of community
in these fringe areas of the Internet or the manosphere,
which is kind of these men teaching boys.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
To be alpha males, as though that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We should talk about how alpha males is not a
thing at another point in the future QUM. In any event,
these people tend to shift right word not just in
this country but around the world, and this is how
you get folks like Andrew Tate, who is kind of
one of the more famous manisphere figures, who tells men
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to be the most toxic, aggressive form of themselves and
that somehow is them reclaiming their masculinity, and that somehow
women in money and all that sort of stuff is going.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
To follow that sort of behavior, right, Okay, so let
me give you some data and then Q.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'm gonna let you have at this, because I'd love
to get your thoughts here, all right. This is from
a twenty twenty three Pew Research Center article. Thirty percent
of adults have used a dating site or a dating app.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm gonna switch gears.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm gonna switch gears a lot here because a lot
a lot of these dating sites they don't share their data.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So this is kind of pieced together best we could.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The next one is from statista dot com and it
says sixty seven percent of dating app users are men
versus thirty three percent are women. So that's two thirds men.
So men are very much overrepresented on dating apps. And
it's true and that and numbers change depending on where
you get your source from, but there are a lot
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of men numbers higher than fifty percent even that suggest
that men fifty percent of men on dating apps will
never get a match.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Like a bona fide match.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You'll get matches from bots and scammers and stuff like that,
but they will never get a romantic match. And the
idea here is that will very easily date across the
aisle in terms of how they looks in their station
in life, and men tend women rather tend to date
more aspirationally right, And it creates this dynamic where those
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men at the top, the highest earner is the best
looking whatever, they get their pick of all the women,
and so they're less committal. They're noncommittal for the most part,
which causes everyone to suffer because those men will ultimately
end up breaking everyone's hearts. The men at the bottom,
who are not in the top ten percent getting all
the likes, or sorry, top twenty percent getting all the likes,
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the bottom eighty percent of men will become increasingly frustrated
and therefore more susceptible to these manisphere environments, and as
a result of that, everyone loses. I'm going to share
these two paragraphs and then we're gonna get you away
in here.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Q A.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right. On dating apps, women generally swipe right indicating interest
on a significantly smaller percentage of profiles compared to men,
while men swipe right on roughly forty six percent of profiles,
women tend to swipe right on about five to fourteen percent,
according to Time Magazine, c Net, and Reddit, respectively.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay, so that's.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Men swiping on forty six percent, women swiping on between
five and fourteen percent.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
This disparity is often attributed to the higher number of
men using dating apps, leading women to be more selective. Okay,
let's move to the next one. Men on dating apps
like Tender tend to swipe right, indicating like much more
frequently than women do. Studies suggests men swipe right on
a significantly higher percentage of profiles on So not numbers overall,
but percentage of profiles compared to women. For example, one
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study indicated men swiped right forty six percent of the time,
while women did so only fourteen percent of the time,
according to Time Magazine. Other estimates range from sixty to
seventy percent for men to around six percent for women.
So imagine men swipe on seventy percent of profiles, women
swipe on six percent of profiles. This disparity is often
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attributed to men being less selective or machine gun swiping
to increase their chances of getting matched. So not only
are men over represented women swipe less, so it's very
possible for a lot of men to end up with
zero swipes. And this is kind of just a good
way to get some data terms to help us identify interest.
So this chopped man epidemic might be something that will
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have fertile ground in a manisphere space because they can
all push back on this. Why are these women not
dating across? Why are they're all dating aspiration?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What about us? They're ruining the entire culture as a
result of this. All right, c I just wanted to
paint the picture. What a handoff. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
When we get off of air, I'm gonna talk to
you because that rough place to sit the plate in
your brother's lap.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's very much. I did my best.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's a very interesting, you know, thing to observe because
you know, dating aspirationally is what we all want to
do at some point. There's only so much rejection you
can take before you might bring your expectations down a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And that seems to.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Be more common with men with regards of how that
changes a men's mindset and pushes them to the fringes.
Is the idea of we've gotten rid of it, like shame.
So instead of a person, you know, being held accountable
for something, they can find a group that tells them
that it's okay. So that that has I think a
bit of a weight on it to like men feeling
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less desirable, but also feeling less shamed, less apologetic, less,
there's less accountability, right, They go from like feeling sorry
for themselves to being reaffirmed at all. Like you said,
all of their toxic masculine traits, you know, you should
be more of that and triple down on that, and
that that will also make you more desirable. So it's
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you know, you get into manipulating people by using their
worst traits and framing them as strengths as a way
to kind of hide away from, run away from or
duck from accountability with things like that and the manisphere.
Being anti feminism is a really strange way to start,
but they never frame it that way. They make it
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pro alpha male like you said, So you know, they
create this, like you said, like we mentioned, toxic version
of masculinity, hyper strong, emotionless and cruel and ashamed of nothing,
you know, so crush the weak and you know, put
women in their place, like back in the kitchen, and
all kinds of strange stuff like that. So it's a
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it's a sad thing to watch happen, but people do
retreat to the fringes, into the margins and find safety
in community in spaces like that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So I hope that there's further research to support.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
These kind of ideas and we can kind of get
a better idea of you know, why we're seeing such
a startling amount of men go the other direction.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right now, it is time for one of my favorite segments,
better do Better, and we're gonna send this one to
the commander in chief, all right, This from the Black
Information Network. The Trump administration is considering adding dozens more
African and Caribbean nations to its no travel list. According
to an internal memo obtained by The Washington Post, thirty
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six more countries will have sixty days to meet new
requirements established by the State Department or be at risk
of facing travel restrictions or bands. The memo, signed by
Secretary of State Marco Rubio and sent to US diplomats,
listed twenty five African nations, including Angola, be Nine, Barkina, Faso,
Cabo Verde, Cameroon, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Egypt,
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kaban Ghana, Liberia, Nigeria, Niger, Senegal, South Sudan, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, etc.
And it also lists did several Caribbean nations including Antigua, Barbuda, Dominica,
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Saint Kitts and Nevis and Saint Lucia. For countries in
Asia including Bhutan, Cambodia and Syria, and three countries in
Oceanatonga and Vana tu Vanuatu Sorry, who were also included
in the new memo. The State Department alleged that some
of the countries hadn't met various benchmarks, including no competent
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or cooperative central government authority to provide reliable identity documents
and a large number of citizens who had violated the
terms of their visas. According to the memo, these countries
have until Wednesday, June eighteenth to give the State Department
an initial plan of action to meet the requirements. However,
if the country is willing to accept third country nationals
who is being removed from the US, an agency would
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ease other concerns, the memo states. The new memo comes
after Trump announced a full ban on entry into the
US from countries and travel restrictions for see in others.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Uh. And I think this.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Is why the US passport is starting to lose value globally. Q.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Your thoughts racism? M Is that all that's all I got?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's it okay, Like like.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Like people can't see me like I'm doing the dance
and like I'm doing like like a presentation move and experience.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Like, well, how about this soft shooting.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I got a big smile on my face checking in
jiut being non threatening in my.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But racism, Well, so how about this the thing that.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
So no white countries falling in, no white as earth
on the whole planet failed to meet this whatever criteria,
but all of the black and around countries because they
were like this is the second roll out, by the way,
So some countries that around US didn't just say because
they already set them.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, and some might skip because I couldn't pronounce them.
So there's a lot already.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Black and brown countries that were already on there. And
it's more like those who didn't get into the bed
with the president financially, like if you didn't you know,
pay his we still like you tax.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And or you're black and brown because you know racism.
So watch this, watch this.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I suspect we're going to see an article at some
point in the future that goes into more detail here.
But it would not surprise me at all if they
went and tried to find a reason for these countries
to be in violation or to be whatever. It probably
cherry picked examples to create a narrative to have these
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countries on this list. And the reason I say that
is because of this part right here. According to the memo,
these countries have until June eighteenth to give the State
Department an initial plan of action to meet the requirements. However,
if a country is willing to accept third country nationals
who are being removed from the US, the agency would
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ease other concerns. The memo states.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So this is saying like, hey, we.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Don't want to accept anybody traveling to our country from
your country.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But if you'll accept people that we're.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Kicking out of our country, then we'll overlook the concerns
that we dug up to hold this against you. It
wouldn't surprise me one bit to see an article say
it that way, say, because that is kind of how
this administration moved the first time. And it certainly appears
to be the way that they're moving this time. So
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Donald Trump better do better. So left out corruption
Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspectives, seek understanding, and shape outcomes.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am Rams's.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Job, Ramsey's jaw, I am your brother, q Ward, Yes
you what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Man? Everything?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Man? We got an amazing show today. I'm really excited
to get into the weeds and a lot for you
to stick around for. We are going to be discussing
Father's Day. Funnily enough, we came across some people that
still subscribe to the myth that black fathers were largely
not present on Father's Day. So we have to address
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that myth because a lot of people still believe that
black men don't father our children. So we're going to
take some time to do that. We're also going to
discuss something I just found out about. It's been referred
to as the chopped man epidemic, and there are people
that believe that it is in part contributing to the
rise in far right rhetoric, particularly with men, you know,
(00:58):
leaving more progressive values and parties and moving in that direction.
We're also going to take some time to discuss Gavin Newsome.
There's a question as to whether or not he's the
man to stand against Donald Trump, and there are a
lot of people that feel a lot of ways about that.
(01:20):
So we're going to get into those weeds as well.
And then for entertainment, we're going to discuss something that
you know, both being big fans of the West Coast,
me being from Compton, California myself, the fact that Kendrick
Lamar sold out back to back shows in Drake's hometown.
We're also going to kind of see what the implications
of that are. And so we have all of that
(01:42):
and so much more to stick around for. And I
have to tease it because I really want to Qwards clapback.
You don't want to miss that, Yeah, because he's he's
feeling some kind of way this morning. So, like I said,
all that and so much more to stick around for.
But of course it is time always to start off
with our feel good features. So we're gonna share a
(02:03):
bit from KTLA dot com. And this isn't your typical
but we like it. So. Singer and social media personality
Neza performed the National Anthem in Spanish at Dodgers Stadium
on Saturday night, despite being told beforehand she was expected
to sing it. In English. Quote, so we are going
to do it in English today. I'm not sure if
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that was relayed, an official can be heard saying in
a video Naza posted on social media. Instead, she chose
to sing the Star Spangled Banner in Spanish, a version
originally commissioned in nineteen forty five, and a video posted
to TikTok. Neza shared an emotional explanation, I just felt
I needed to do it badamikente, she said, safe to say,
I'm never allowed in that stadium ever again. Quote. The
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team has not released an official statement regarding the protest
or ice raids, but did clarify that fam misconduct will
not be tolerated. During a recent game, a spectator was
removed from the stands for holding an anti I sign,
prompting both booze and cheers from the crowd. So, yeah,
I've already said that I love this Q you care
to share how you feel?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
It's an interesting stance.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
You know, almost exactly half the population in Los Angeles's Hispanic,
so you know, of course they haven't released a public
statement because that would drastically affect their market share and
you know, whatever else they actually care about, if they
really cared about doing the right thing, they would have
never told her not to do it in Spanish in
the first place. That's that's my whole take. Like shout
(03:31):
out to her for standing up for Ladasa. Yeah, exactly,
And I think you said it best. You know, there
are people in California who are citizens, I'm sure, who
maybe don't speak English, and so they've heard the national
anthem of their country, this country, the United States, and
never fully understood it. And what she did brought them
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into the conversation as well. So anybody that's hating on
this just has too much hate in their heart.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
This is special, all right.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So you know, we had an we had a big
weekend coming off of you know, yesterday's show, How was
your Father's Day? Q?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
My Father's Day was interesting, man. You know, spending it
Father's Day has always been complicated. Let me start there,
losing my father when I was sixteen years old. You know,
eventually you kind of you cope better and it's not
as difficult and it's not as heavy, and Father's Day
traditionally brings you back to the absence of your father,
(04:32):
except becoming a dad. Kind of flip that where it's
the day where you know, as dad, you become the
one being celebrated and the one who's kind of has
the spotlight shined on you. So you know, I didn't
get to spend the day with the kids because I
was working, but you know I had some special face
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times with them, and you know that always makes my
heart warm, man. But Father's Day has a traditionally complicate, hated,
emotional kind of it's a collectively complicated emotional day for me.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sure, sure I.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Know your story, so i'd i'd go with that. You know,
I have two sons. I didn't get to see both
of them, but I heard from my older son he's
he's living his life. And my little boy, you know,
he wasn't too busy to come see dad, so, you know,
because he'd be busy.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's busy nephew outside. Now he's growing up. Man.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
But you know, uh, there's something that kind of always
bugged me, you know, growing up, and it was this
idea that black men didn't, you know, take care of
our children. And you know, I recognize that there are
some examples, you know, a lot of examples of black
men not taking care of their children. But there are
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a lot of examples men in general not taking care
of their children, and somehow our race was the one
that was labeled as particularly I guess particularly susceptible to
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black absentee fathers. Somehow like black men, somehow we just
didn't love our children or something like that. And that's
something that never felt right to me, because you know,
in Africa, where black people are, you don't hear about that, right,
and so this idea that black men, because of their
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blackness are somehow absent from their children's lives felt a
little strange, and that's something that I had always connected.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Yeah, that's the important part though that you point out.
It's because of the blackness part. That's the that's the
whole reason that the narrative exists, Right. It's not that
some men leave and don't stay with the women that
they have children with that they're either not married to
or that they divorce and want nothing to do with.
It's that black men, because they're black, don't stay and
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take care of a raise, or support or protect their children.
So that's the reason why that ridiculous narrative ever came
into play, was so someone would have an excuse to
say the why part out loud.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Sure, I think that what you're saying, I want to
add a little bit more to it. Now.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I didn't prepare these notes, but this is something that
we learned and researched a long time ago during Civic Cipher.
Now black men and women marriage rates, particularly with respected
black women, are low. Okay, Black women are the most
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likely to be unmarried, unwed and most likely as a result,
to have children out of wedlock. If I remember that directly,
and you know, number change, numbers change, But you know,
this is kind of the way I remember the story
that we covered. But there are roots there too, and
they go back the origin story of that sort of
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the primordial ooze of that phenomenon happened right around the
time of.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
The Great Depression, where poor white.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Families were able to receive benefits and they were prioritized
over poor black families. Poor black families that had a
father in the home were more likely to be turned
away and say, hey, look, you have you know, two
people in the household, you guys will be fine. And
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so that started this idea of hey, look if we're
not together, we will have a better chance of raising
a successful family, right, And that was those flames were
fanned if I'm not mistaken, in like the fifties or
sixties by Democrats, because Democrats saw that data of like
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unwed mothers and started to create this idea that all
of the problems that black people were dealing with were
the result of you know, this facet of the country.
And you know, there's other problems that because black women
were married, you know, well married well.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Into you know, the seventies.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think in the eighties it started to drop off
a little bit, but you know that's where the flames
were fanned, Okay, And you know the culture ships. I
always say, you know, poverty shapes shapes culture more than
culture shapes you know, poverty or culture leads to poverty,
poverty will shape your culture. And so now there's a
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culture of like this is okay, we don't need to
be married, and you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
And that's not just.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Exclusively black folks, but that it's important that we say
that because I think a lot of people when they
see an unwed mother, they think this mother is doing
it alone. And the CDC did a study in twenty
seven or sorry it is twenty fourteen, If I'm not mistaken,
where they actually dug into this to try to figure
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out what was going on with not just Black people,
but all people, all races with paying particular attention to fathers. Now,
I'm telling you this like you don't know it because
we've talked about it before. But for the benefit of
our listeners, I'm going to share a bit from Vox,
not because they're particularly special, but because they capture this
I think better than some of the other articles that
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we could have sourced. So this is from Vox. There's
a very pervasive myth about black fathers that they're more
often than not absent from their children's lives. But if
you look at the data, it turns out the truth
is far more complicated than the ugly stereotype suggest New
York Times columnist Charles Blow previously took on this myth.
Blow started with the basis for much of the idea.
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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data showed seventy one
point five percent of black non Hispanic children in twenty
thirteen were born to unmarried women, compared with twenty nine
point three percent of white non Hispanic children. Okay, so
that's a little bit more than double there. Okay, But,
as Josh Levs pointed out in his new book All
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in two and a half million of four point two
million black fathers, or about fifty nine point five percent,
live with their children.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay. They may not be married to the mother, but
they live in the house.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Okay, And this goes back to that culture, that shift
of culture to poverty shaping that Lev's numbers suggest that
it's not true, as the CDC figures suggest that seventy
one point five percent of black dads are absent from
their homes, but rather that many of them are simply unmarried.
And when black fathers do live with their children, they're
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just as if not more, likely to be involved in
their kids everyday lives blow sided CDC data that showed
black fathers are more likely than their white and Hispanic
counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe diaper, dress, play with,
and read to their children on a daily basis. I
want to read that again. Black fathers are more likely
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than white and Hispanic counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe, diaper, dress,
play with, and read to their children on a daily basis.
While some of the differences in the data aren't statistically significant,
the figures indicate that Black dads are at least as
likely to remain involved in their children's lives as those
of other races. Still, the same CDC data shows black
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men are nearly three times as likely as white men
to have at least one child they don't live with,
but Blow pointed to policy driven issues that may be
driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers,
David Leonhardt, and Kevin Queeley for The New York Times
found that there are one hundred Black women not in
jail or prison for every eighty three non incarcerated Black men,
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So mass incarceration has actually drained one and a half
million Black men, many of whom are young and marrying age,
from their communities, making it more difficult for black women
to find committed partners of the same race. That's all
I needed to say, que, you know, way in here.
I mean, there's not much to say after that. The
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pushing back on the narrative not being true, supported by
the data and the facts that support where we stand
where as present, if not more so than every other
ethnic group with regards to raising, rearing, and.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Nurturing our children.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
And it's always been as important to us as everyone knows.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But again, the.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Whole narrative was shaped so they could check another box
to why ying black was bad and another example of
them being by every measurement and every calculation.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Incorrect.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, well, I'm glad we get to talk about this
sort of stuff. I'll say that much, all right, Moving on,
chopped man epidemic. Okay, I just heard about this today.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I think you're in the same boat as me.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Right, Yeah, even once you said it, I didn't know
it was a thing like calling it the something epidemic
when you haven't heard no one's ever heard of is
you know, Well, well apparently not no one. But if
it's an epidemic, we should all know about it.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, all right, So I want to you know, full
disclosure here, Q and I would like to do journalistically
credible research. You know, Chris Thompson demands it, We demand
it of ourselves, right and of course our listeners demanded
as well. But every so often we come across something
like this where the research hasn't caught up to it.
So we're going to do our best to kind of
explain this to you. I think I'll go first, because
(14:45):
I've been in these weeds a little bit more THANQ.
But this is primarily a social media algorithm site based phenomenon.
Insofar as I can tell, there are no art about
this or anything like that, but it's prevalent enough and
it's being circulated enough to where it's something that you know,
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kind of fits some We need to talk about chopped
man epidemic. First off, Chopped is a term that is
used to describe an undesirable in terms of dating an
undesirable man. In other words, this is something that women
I suppose of dating age and who are subscribing to
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this sort of dating culture will.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Refer to.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
A man as being chopped if he's not desirable. Right, So,
the implication of the term chopped man epidemic is that
there are women who feel that most men are undesirable
to them. There's a there's a lot of men that
are not desirable. And there's a video that ended up
kind of going viral and setting off this whole thing, right,
(15:55):
and this was a woman saying that she received a
compliment and it made her day because the compliment came
from someone that she considered.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
To be attractive and.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Because she never got compliments or I'm not going to
pretend like I don't want to speak for her at all,
and the video you're welcome to look for it online.
I couldn't tell you a link because this format doesn't
work that way, but you're welcome to look for it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
She'll give you her whole deal.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But I think the gist of it is that she
didn't feel like there were enough men, or I guess
the culture surrounding her statement is that there are not
enough attractive men to pay compliments to women these days,
to the point where they would take them home and
feel special about them if it did happen from an
attractive enough man. Okay, so this is the chopped man epidemic. Now,
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I've come across a lot of things. We had to
cover the election last year. We've had to kind of
pay attention to, you know, just being and working in
this space. We've had to pay attention to kind of
how the world is changing in this way. And you know,
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if you were to get information from like dating apps
things like.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
This, you could easily.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Surmise that men are having a tougher time finding partners
than ever before. That's not to say that women aren't,
but I think that the dating app trend has hit
men particularly hard, and we're going to share some data
with you in case you don't know. But I want
to paint this picture so that the data will help
it stick. There are a lot of men politically that
have shifted right because they have now gotten to the
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point where they push back against feminism, They push back
against female empowerment, they push back against me too, they
push back against all these things. There are people that
say that these things have overcorrected, and now men are
suffering as a result of this, and they become increasingly
frustrated with their results, particularly when it comes to romance
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romantic endeavors, and then they find a sense of community
in these fringe areas of the Internet or the manosphere,
which is kind of these men teaching boys.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
To be alpha males, as though that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
We should talk about how alpha males is not a
thing at another point in the future QUM. In any event,
these people tend to shift right word not just in
this country but around the world, and this is how
you get folks like Andrew Tate, who is kind of
one of the more famous manisphere figures, who tells men
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to be the most toxic, aggressive form of themselves and
that somehow is them reclaiming their masculinity, and that somehow
women in money and all that sort of stuff is going.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
To follow that sort of behavior, right, Okay, so let
me give you some data and then Q.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I'm gonna let you have at this, because I'd love
to get your thoughts here, all right. This is from
a twenty twenty three Pew Research Center article. Thirty percent
of adults have used a dating site or a dating app.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I'm gonna switch gears.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm gonna switch gears a lot here because a lot
a lot of these dating sites they don't share their data.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
So this is kind of pieced together best we could.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The next one is from statista dot com and it
says sixty seven percent of dating app users are men
versus thirty three percent are women. So that's two thirds men.
So men are very much overrepresented on dating apps. And
it's true and that and numbers change depending on where
you get your source from, but there are a lot
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of men numbers higher than fifty percent even that suggest
that men fifty percent of men on dating apps will
never get a match.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Like a bona fide match.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You'll get matches from bots and scammers and stuff like that,
but they will never get a romantic match. And the
idea here is that will very easily date across the
aisle in terms of how they looks in their station
in life, and men tend women rather tend to date
more aspirationally right, And it creates this dynamic where those
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men at the top, the highest earner is the best
looking whatever, they get their pick of all the women,
and so they're less committal. They're noncommittal for the most part,
which causes everyone to suffer because those men will ultimately
end up breaking everyone's hearts. The men at the bottom,
who are not in the top ten percent getting all
the likes, or sorry, top twenty percent getting all the likes,
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the bottom eighty percent of men will become increasingly frustrated
and therefore more susceptible to these manisphere environments, and as
a result of that, everyone loses. I'm going to share
these two paragraphs and then we're gonna get you away
in here.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Q A.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Right. On dating apps, women generally swipe right indicating interest
on a significantly smaller percentage of profiles compared to men,
while men swipe right on roughly forty six percent of profiles,
women tend to swipe right on about five to fourteen percent,
according to Time Magazine, c Net, and Reddit, respectively.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay, so that's.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Men swiping on forty six percent, women swiping on between
five and fourteen percent.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
This disparity is often attributed to the higher number of
men using dating apps, leading women to be more selective. Okay,
let's move to the next one. Men on dating apps
like Tender tend to swipe right, indicating like much more
frequently than women do. Studies suggests men swipe right on
a significantly higher percentage of profiles on So not numbers overall,
but percentage of profiles compared to women. For example, one
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study indicated men swiped right forty six percent of the time,
while women did so only fourteen percent of the time,
according to Time Magazine. Other estimates range from sixty to
seventy percent for men to around six percent for women.
So imagine men swipe on seventy percent of profiles, women
swipe on six percent of profiles. This disparity is often
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attributed to men being less selective or machine gun swiping
to increase their chances of getting matched. So not only
are men over represented women swipe less, so it's very
possible for a lot of men to end up with
zero swipes. And this is kind of just a good
way to get some data terms to help us identify interest.
So this chopped man epidemic might be something that will
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have fertile ground in a manisphere space because they can
all push back on this. Why are these women not
dating across? Why are they're all dating aspiration?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
What about us? They're ruining the entire culture as a
result of this. All right, c I just wanted to
paint the picture. What a handoff. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
When we get off of air, I'm gonna talk to
you because that rough place to sit the plate in
your brother's lap.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That's very much. I did my best.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
It's a very interesting, you know, thing to observe because
you know, dating aspirationally is what we all want to
do at some point. There's only so much rejection you
can take before you might bring your expectations down a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
And that seems to.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Be more common with men with regards of how that
changes a men's mindset and pushes them to the fringes.
Is the idea of we've gotten rid of it, like shame.
So instead of a person, you know, being held accountable
for something, they can find a group that tells them
that it's okay. So that that has I think a
bit of a weight on it to like men feeling
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less desirable, but also feeling less shamed, less apologetic, less,
there's less accountability, right, They go from like feeling sorry
for themselves to being reaffirmed at all. Like you said,
all of their toxic masculine traits, you know, you should
be more of that and triple down on that, and
that that will also make you more desirable. So it's
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you know, you get into manipulating people by using their
worst traits and framing them as strengths as a way
to kind of hide away from, run away from or
duck from accountability with things like that and the manisphere.
Being anti feminism is a really strange way to start,
but they never frame it that way. They make it
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pro alpha male like you said, So you know, they
create this, like you said, like we mentioned, toxic version
of masculinity, hyper strong, emotionless and cruel and ashamed of nothing,
you know, so crush the weak and you know, put
women in their place, like back in the kitchen, and
all kinds of strange stuff like that. So it's a
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it's a sad thing to watch happen, but people do
retreat to the fringes, into the margins and find safety
in community in spaces like that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
So I hope that there's further research to support.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
These kind of ideas and we can kind of get
a better idea of you know, why we're seeing such
a startling amount of men go the other direction.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Right now, it is time for one of my favorite segments,
better do Better, and we're gonna send this one to
the commander in chief, all right, This from the Black
Information Network. The Trump administration is considering adding dozens more
African and Caribbean nations to its no travel list. According
to an internal memo obtained by The Washington Post, thirty
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six more countries will have sixty days to meet new
requirements established by the State Department or be at risk
of facing travel restrictions or bands. The memo, signed by
Secretary of State Marco Rubio and sent to US diplomats,
listed twenty five African nations, including Angola, be Nine, Barkina, Faso,
Cabo Verde, Cameroon, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Egypt,
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kaban Ghana, Liberia, Nigeria, Niger, Senegal, South Sudan, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, etc.
And it also lists did several Caribbean nations including Antigua, Barbuda, Dominica,
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Saint Kitts and Nevis and Saint Lucia. For countries in
Asia including Bhutan, Cambodia and Syria, and three countries in
Oceanatonga and Vana tu Vanuatu Sorry, who were also included
in the new memo. The State Department alleged that some
of the countries hadn't met various benchmarks, including no competent
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or cooperative central government authority to provide reliable identity documents
and a large number of citizens who had violated the
terms of their visas. According to the memo, these countries
have until Wednesday, June eighteenth to give the State Department
an initial plan of action to meet the requirements. However,
if the country is willing to accept third country nationals
who is being removed from the US, an agency would
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ease other concerns, the memo states. The new memo comes
after Trump announced a full ban on entry into the
US from countries and travel restrictions for see in others.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Uh. And I think this.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Is why the US passport is starting to lose value globally. Q.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Your thoughts racism? M Is that all that's all I got?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's it okay, Like like.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Like people can't see me like I'm doing the dance
and like I'm doing like like a presentation move and experience.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Like, well, how about this soft shooting.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I got a big smile on my face checking in
jiut being non threatening in my.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But racism, Well, so how about this the thing that.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
So no white countries falling in, no white as earth
on the whole planet failed to meet this whatever criteria,
but all of the black and around countries because they
were like this is the second roll out, by the way,
So some countries that around US didn't just say because
they already set them.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, and some might skip because I couldn't pronounce them.
So there's a lot already.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Black and brown countries that were already on there. And
it's more like those who didn't get into the bed
with the president financially, like if you didn't you know,
pay his we still like you tax.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
And or you're black and brown because you know racism.
So watch this, watch this.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I suspect we're going to see an article at some
point in the future that goes into more detail here.
But it would not surprise me at all if they
went and tried to find a reason for these countries
to be in violation or to be whatever. It probably
cherry picked examples to create a narrative to have these
(29:00):
countries on this list. And the reason I say that
is because of this part right here. According to the memo,
these countries have until June eighteenth to give the State
Department an initial plan of action to meet the requirements. However,
if a country is willing to accept third country nationals
who are being removed from the US, the agency would
(29:22):
ease other concerns. The memo states.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So this is saying like, hey, we.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Don't want to accept anybody traveling to our country from
your country.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
But if you'll accept people that we're.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Kicking out of our country, then we'll overlook the concerns
that we dug up to hold this against you. It
wouldn't surprise me one bit to see an article say
it that way, say, because that is kind of how
this administration moved the first time. And it certainly appears
to be the way that they're moving this time. So
(29:57):
Donald Trump better do better. So left out corruption
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