March 12, 2025 • 19 mins
Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward take a look at the anger and frustration displayed by former DNC Chairman Michael Steele towards the current state of the Democratic Party. .
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Black Information Network Daily podcast, and I'm
your host, ramses Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Everything that comes our way.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
But from time to time, a story just stays with
me and pill compelled to share it with you and
give you my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And now one more thing.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right, So on this installment of one more Thing,
we are going to be listening to James T. Harris's
take on one mister Steele, a former RNC chair who
is upset at how all of the power in Washington,
(00:47):
d C Is ultimately ending up in the hands of
one person. So let's take a listen to a few
of these clips.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm James Harris, and I have something to say. Democrats
are not just in this, they are in denial. And
even CNN is admitting that Democrats are powerless, admit GOP's
takeover of the federal government. The frustration is palpable. And
you need look no further than former ore NC Chairman
(01:16):
Michael Steele, who in truth is a Democrat.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I would actually, you know what, I'd just like you
to show that you give a damn that you got
a little emotion about the fact that people are losing
their jobs indiscriminately, that this this individual sitting at down
the sixteen hundred Pennsylvany Avenue, has given absolute power to
one man who brings his son into the Oval Office,
(01:41):
whose son says to him, you're not the president.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You shouldn't be in that chair. Now, where did he
get that from?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
He got it from his daddy, because that's what his
daddy thinks of the man who brought him into the
Oval Office. So I'd just like to see somebody wake
the hell up and get excited about the fact that
your country is under assault.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
They're not at the gate anymore.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
They're in your bedrooms, they're in your living rooms, they're
in your businesses. They got your data, dumb, they got
all your stuff. Elon Musk has the tentacles and everything
you're doing, not just off of X. But now he's
in the Treasury department, he's in the Labor department, he's
in the apartment of Homeland Security, and nobody seems to
(02:22):
give a damn. So that's all I want somebody to
show that they care enough to get out there and
say something about it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Unfortunately, for Michael Steele, and the whole of the Democrat Party.
Showing emotion is the only thing that Democrats can do
because they are locked out of all the halls of power,
and that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I'm James C.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Harris for the Black Information Network.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so Q, I know that you actually have a
little bit of history with this guy, right.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
With Michael Steeler, with James.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Harrold, with Michael Steele.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Yeah, have to make sure that I'm clear that one
of those parties I have no history with, and I'm
I'm not sure that i'd like to. When I was
a young man fresh out of college trying to figure
out the world.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Important to remind.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
People that I grew up in Detroit, Michigan, all of
my classmates from kindergarten to graduation were black, all of
my friends, all of my neighbors, everybody I saw at
shopping malls, and as you could imagine, there was a
solidarity with that. I never had to ask or wonder
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who anyone was voting for. Throughout the history of this country,
it's always been clear that even if neither party seemed
to have our best interest at forefront, the candidate that
had our best interest not on their list. At all
and or might be actively working against us was also
(03:58):
always obvious, so we never had to ask, Hey.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Who's your mom voting for? Who are you going to
vote for?
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Like it was we were aligned in that way in
a way that maybe it was just that way in Detroit,
but I assumed that all black people felt the same
way when I was a kid. As I grew up,
I did not think there was a such thing as
a black Republican.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
So as I.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Moved to Baltimore in two thousand and three and I
was doing some charity work with as Cistic Fibrosis Foundation,
and I got invited to a Republican event.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
And I got there and I saw all these.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Beautiful black people, and I mean, it wasn't half the room,
but it wasn't a less than twenty five percent, you know,
presence in the room either, Like it was a significant
amount of black people there.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And I then started.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Having conversations people about class, about economic status, and about
what this black versus white thing was really based on
why that was really put into place and why it's
been such an effective strategy with keeping the powers that
be in power.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
But I met Michael Steele.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
There and learned that not only are there black Republicans,
but there are black Republicans that are decent people, because
the first thing you feel when someone's making a strictly
fiscal decision that you know impacts almost only them and
people that they know. Because even now we make up
an insignificant amount of the one percent, you could still
(05:42):
tell that there's a way to make decisions that positively
impact you and yours, that don't directly negatively impact others
or knowingly negatively impact others. And even back then, when
we seem to be on different sides of a lot
of is shoes, he was a kind and decent person,
(06:04):
and throughout the twilight zone that is the Trump era,
he's remained on the right side of history, if you will.
So I'm not surprised at all that he's the voice
that I hear kind of enraged, kind of looking around, like,
what are we all doing? How are we all watching
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this man.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Take over our government?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
How are we all watching this man just do what
he wants? And how come nobody cares? How come no
one is doing anything? And I've been this confused and
this frustrated myself. It was refreshing to hear that anyone
felt the same as me, but it wasn't surprising to
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hear that it was him.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, you know, I think the thing that how about this,
One of the things that you know, his his take
and his passion reminds me of is that, you know,
if it was the case that Republicans held all the
levers of government.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And they were.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Pushing forward a decidedly conservative agenda, that would be pretty disheartening.
You know, that would not be a happy time to
live through. That would just be additional ground that you know,
those of us that prefer a more progressive, liberal approach
to life that before though, right right, And then I
(07:39):
think that that that's kind of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
If it was just that, it would be okay.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But one of the things that I think that James
misses James is the individual who's like, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Democrats are down and good they should be, you know,
That's who that guy is.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But one of the things that I think a lot
of people miss is that it's not a Republican government
per se. It is a Trump government. And by approximation,
you know what I mean, or by proximity, I should say,
(08:18):
elon Musk government. You know, Elon Musk has oversight of
basically the financial dealings of the United States, the federal
purse strings in a manner of speaking, and you know
who's watching him, and he's supposed to like excuse himself
(08:39):
when he stumbles upon a conflict of interest, which by definition,
if you have to excuse yourself if you see a
conflict of interest, that in and of itself is a
conflict of interests. And so you know, people's pushback. Democrats
put all this sort of stuff, people who are so
frustrated not because it's Republicans, but because it's Donald Trump,
(09:00):
and Donald Trump is a different type of Republican, is
a different type of Republican.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
And I don't even think he really I said an
Elon Musk, who was official.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Absolutely absolutely, And so this is part of what I
believe that, you know, mister Steele's frustration stems from because
as someone who himself was a lifelong Republican, Republicans have
always kind of respected the rule of law. Republicans have
always kind of uh, they've been known for that. That's
(09:34):
consistent with their branding. I don't want to say that
they've always kind of played by those rules, nor would
I say that about anybody who's in politics. But but
that's you know, part and parcel to their whole thing.
And you know, now what we're dealing with is something different,
something that is imaginary, something that is being made up
on the fly, something that has no more checks and balances,
(09:55):
some something that is very reminiscent of, you know, a king.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know, this man cannot break the law.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He broke the law, and we knew that he broke
the law, and he was elected, and he's got a
Supreme Court protecting him. And now he's got all the
congressmen and all the senators, not all of them, but
you know, the majority of congressmen and women and the
majority of senators protecting him as well and supporting his agenda.
And it makes good career sense for those elected officials
(10:28):
to continue to just kind of kiss his ring. And
for mister Steele, who is no longer active in that arena,
he doesn't have to, so he can kind of call
it what it is. He can, you know, he can
subscribe to a shared reality. He's not locked into the
delusion of Donald Trump is right. Everything he says is right.
(10:49):
Donald Trump is not a smart person. I don't know
why I have to keep saying that he's not a
smart person. I know that because I spent my whole
life around smart people. I took classes with smart people,
like you know, Donald Trump is not that, and nor
is Elon Musk. You know, these are people that have
(11:10):
you know, a couple of bright moments. Sure, but you know,
bona fide smart people are not children. You know, they're
in command of their faculties and their emotions, and they
have strategies that make sense in the real world. They
don't need to lie. They can tell the truth and
accomplish more with the truth than these people will not
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accomplish with the lies. They don't need to enrich themselves
at the expense of other people, because they're smart enough
to know how to enrich everyone. You know, even seeming
simpletons like Bill Clinton are Rhodes scholars. That's a quote
from my brother Rocket Iris Science of the Dilated Peoples.
And so, you know, I understand mister Steele's frustration. And
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you know, unfortunately, you know, the people that are up
right now, they are so high that they can't see
that that's a long way to fall from. And you know,
if they stay up, then you know, there's really nothing
to see here. But I don't imagine they're going to
stay up forever, because the one thing that's true about
this current Republican party is that it's Donald Trump's party.
(12:20):
And Donald Trump is going to die. He will not
live forever. He is an old man. And when Donald
Trump dies, you have to be Republicans again. And how
does that look?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
You tell me, when the whole party seems to have
switched to him?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Sure, sure, I understand that, but watch this, Watch this,
The whole party has switched to him, in my estimation,
because it's him. He was a reality star with playboy
model girlfriends and blah blah blah x Y and Z,
was a billionaire, all these things, right, and that was
his rise. He worked the media, he worked himself in
the movie. He did everything that he could do to
(13:02):
become an exaggerated version of himself, a more celebrated individual
than he deserved to be, right, And it worked because
American people were fascinated with Trump. He had his own
football league, all this sort of stuff, and when that
guy ran for president and people got a kick out
of that. He never said anything substantial in terms of
his policy. None of that stuff None of that stuff
(13:23):
even made sense in the real world. All it was
was things that supported white supremacist ideas and institutions. That's
the best that it was. And for a lot of people,
a big part of the country, that's enough.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But he dragged the whole party further to the left.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now, that's not to say that the voter base, you know,
had something to do with dragging the party further to
the left. But the fact of the matter is that
Donald Trump, as people say, is a charismatic manipulator of
the media. Donald Trump can say something didn't happen in segan.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I say, charismatics an interesting word.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Well, no, this is what is said about him. I
don't agree. But people will say he's a charismatic leader.
I see why you got elected. I don't agree with that.
But here's my point. This whole thing has been about
Donald Trump in my estimation, and when Donald Trump is
no longer either in command of his faculties or he
otherwise succumbs to the inevitable, where does the party go?
(14:26):
Who is their leader?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
After that? Do the ideas? Do the policies hold water?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't think so, because we've already overcome those policies,
and we've existed in an environment, in a country and
a planet that thrived under Bill Clinton. This was after Reaganomics.
Donald Trump took us back to Reaganomics in prior right,
So we already learned the lesson from Ronald Reagan, right
and before Ronald Reagan. But Donald Trump has taken us back.
(14:57):
So without Donald Trump, do the ideas themselves hold water?
Do the ideas themselves make sense? Does the divisiveness make sense?
We've already learned that lesson as a country. Right, So
without Donald Trump, what is the Republican Party? What is
the Republican Party now? And I would ask James, I
would ask anybody to answer me that, because if this
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is the Republican Party, remove Donald Trump from the equation.
If this is the Republican Party, well you need to
be ashamed of yourself A and B. Everything that you
want to accomplish, you already know from history that you won't.
Everyone doing the playing this game, subscribing to this delusion,
is doing so to kiss that ring because at present
(15:43):
it makes career sense for them, and they're not thinking
long term. They're thinking in for your increments. And yeah,
Democrats are down bad, right, Now Democrats are not you
know here, but for better.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Or worse, we do get to see what the Republican
Party is.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
In my opinion, they are a lot of them, I
should say, are cowards. I've never seen anybody worship another
man breathing the same air as them the way that
I see this, even James anything else.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I have a lot, but no, it will save it.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Part.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I appreciate the hopefulness that you expressed, and I won't
spend you know, ten minutes proven counterpoints is that man
won the election.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
We knew who he was, and he won again.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
So it's just really hard for me to feel as
hopeful that we have this destined, you know, karma based
turnaround that's going to happen for us. The idea that
they've proved that their things don't work, I can't subscribe
to it because I just saw the man win again.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Look, man, you're not wrong to say that. I'm an optimist,
and I'm hopeful. You're not wrong to say that. But
I know that when it gets to the point where
inevitably the the the rubber meets the road, that if
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they have really sound strategies, if they do feel like
their foreign policy is the right policy, if they do
have a climate package that that really works, if they
do have, you know, something that works to uplift all
the communities in the United States because they want to
do away with crime. If they think that they have
(17:35):
that plan, it'll it'll, we'll see it and we'll see
it reflected in society. And if not, they're eventually they're
going to run out of uh, you know, runway for
these nonsensical ideas that we've already learned from. And that
that's that's the logical part of the optimism that I have.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's not just blind optimism.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You know, they can't just hire more police and hope
crime goes down, because we've already seen that hire more
police doesn't make crime go down. They can keep hiring
until they run out of money stop though what will
This is my point.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
They don't just stay on the same path.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
They add more to that thing that doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
But eventually, like I said, that runway runs out.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Again.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Like I said, I'm not about to get on here
counter produce.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Get it negative to your hope. Like so I'd rather
stop talking about it because no, no, I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Man. Well you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Man, we definitely buckled up for a four year ride,
so we'll see where we end up. But uh, no
matter what I think, that Donald Trump doesn't last forever,
and that Donald Trump worshiping therefore it doesn't last forever.
Eventually he's going to be a footnote in history, the
same as all of us. And you know, my question
is what then?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So we'll wait and see.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And uh, I don't know. Maybe you're like que and
you have some more points that but perhaps you do
want to share them. And maybe you're like me and
you're like, hey, you know what, we already see some
cracks in the armor. But either way, we'd love to
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
We'd love to hear from you. Until you do, you
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Speaker 6 (19:16):
Jaw I am q Ward on all social media as well,
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right here on the Black Information Network Daily Podcast
This is the Black Information Network Daily podcast, and I'm
your host, ramses Jah. And sometimes the amount of stories
that make their way to us means that we simply
can't cover.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Everything that comes our way.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
But from time to time, a story just stays with
me and pill compelled to share it with you and
give you my thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And now one more thing.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right, So on this installment of one more Thing,
we are going to be listening to James T. Harris's
take on one mister Steele, a former RNC chair who
is upset at how all of the power in Washington,
(00:47):
d C Is ultimately ending up in the hands of
one person. So let's take a listen to a few
of these clips.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm James Harris, and I have something to say. Democrats
are not just in this, they are in denial. And
even CNN is admitting that Democrats are powerless, admit GOP's
takeover of the federal government. The frustration is palpable. And
you need look no further than former ore NC Chairman
(01:16):
Michael Steele, who in truth is a Democrat.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I would actually, you know what, I'd just like you
to show that you give a damn that you got
a little emotion about the fact that people are losing
their jobs indiscriminately, that this this individual sitting at down
the sixteen hundred Pennsylvany Avenue, has given absolute power to
one man who brings his son into the Oval Office,
(01:41):
whose son says to him, you're not the president.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You shouldn't be in that chair. Now, where did he
get that from?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
He got it from his daddy, because that's what his
daddy thinks of the man who brought him into the
Oval Office. So I'd just like to see somebody wake
the hell up and get excited about the fact that
your country is under assault.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
They're not at the gate anymore.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
They're in your bedrooms, they're in your living rooms, they're
in your businesses. They got your data, dumb, they got
all your stuff. Elon Musk has the tentacles and everything
you're doing, not just off of X. But now he's
in the Treasury department, he's in the Labor department, he's
in the apartment of Homeland Security, and nobody seems to
(02:22):
give a damn. So that's all I want somebody to
show that they care enough to get out there and
say something about it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Unfortunately, for Michael Steele, and the whole of the Democrat Party.
Showing emotion is the only thing that Democrats can do
because they are locked out of all the halls of power,
and that's a good thing.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I'm James C.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Harris for the Black Information Network.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Okay, so Q, I know that you actually have a
little bit of history with this guy, right.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
With Michael Steeler, with James.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Harrold, with Michael Steele.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
Yeah, have to make sure that I'm clear that one
of those parties I have no history with, and I'm
I'm not sure that i'd like to. When I was
a young man fresh out of college trying to figure
out the world.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Important to remind.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
People that I grew up in Detroit, Michigan, all of
my classmates from kindergarten to graduation were black, all of
my friends, all of my neighbors, everybody I saw at
shopping malls, and as you could imagine, there was a
solidarity with that. I never had to ask or wonder
(03:37):
who anyone was voting for. Throughout the history of this country,
it's always been clear that even if neither party seemed
to have our best interest at forefront, the candidate that
had our best interest not on their list. At all
and or might be actively working against us was also
(03:58):
always obvious, so we never had to ask, Hey.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Who's your mom voting for? Who are you going to
vote for?
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Like it was we were aligned in that way in
a way that maybe it was just that way in Detroit,
but I assumed that all black people felt the same
way when I was a kid. As I grew up,
I did not think there was a such thing as
a black Republican.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
So as I.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
Moved to Baltimore in two thousand and three and I
was doing some charity work with as Cistic Fibrosis Foundation,
and I got invited to a Republican event.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
And I got there and I saw all these.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
Beautiful black people, and I mean, it wasn't half the room,
but it wasn't a less than twenty five percent, you know,
presence in the room either, Like it was a significant
amount of black people there.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
And I then started.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Having conversations people about class, about economic status, and about
what this black versus white thing was really based on
why that was really put into place and why it's
been such an effective strategy with keeping the powers that
be in power.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
But I met Michael Steele.
Speaker 6 (05:18):
There and learned that not only are there black Republicans,
but there are black Republicans that are decent people, because
the first thing you feel when someone's making a strictly
fiscal decision that you know impacts almost only them and
people that they know. Because even now we make up
an insignificant amount of the one percent, you could still
(05:42):
tell that there's a way to make decisions that positively
impact you and yours, that don't directly negatively impact others
or knowingly negatively impact others. And even back then, when
we seem to be on different sides of a lot
of is shoes, he was a kind and decent person,
(06:04):
and throughout the twilight zone that is the Trump era,
he's remained on the right side of history, if you will.
So I'm not surprised at all that he's the voice
that I hear kind of enraged, kind of looking around, like,
what are we all doing? How are we all watching
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this man.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Take over our government?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
How are we all watching this man just do what
he wants? And how come nobody cares? How come no
one is doing anything? And I've been this confused and
this frustrated myself. It was refreshing to hear that anyone
felt the same as me, but it wasn't surprising to
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hear that it was him.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, you know, I think the thing that how about this,
One of the things that you know, his his take
and his passion reminds me of is that, you know,
if it was the case that Republicans held all the
levers of government.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And they were.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Pushing forward a decidedly conservative agenda, that would be pretty disheartening.
You know, that would not be a happy time to
live through. That would just be additional ground that you know,
those of us that prefer a more progressive, liberal approach
to life that before though, right right, And then I
(07:39):
think that that that's kind of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
If it was just that, it would be okay.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But one of the things that I think that James
misses James is the individual who's like, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Democrats are down and good they should be, you know,
That's who that guy is.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But one of the things that I think a lot
of people miss is that it's not a Republican government
per se. It is a Trump government. And by approximation,
you know what I mean, or by proximity, I should say,
(08:18):
elon Musk government. You know, Elon Musk has oversight of
basically the financial dealings of the United States, the federal
purse strings in a manner of speaking, and you know
who's watching him, and he's supposed to like excuse himself
(08:39):
when he stumbles upon a conflict of interest, which by definition,
if you have to excuse yourself if you see a
conflict of interest, that in and of itself is a
conflict of interests. And so you know, people's pushback. Democrats
put all this sort of stuff, people who are so
frustrated not because it's Republicans, but because it's Donald Trump,
(09:00):
and Donald Trump is a different type of Republican, is
a different type of Republican.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
And I don't even think he really I said an
Elon Musk, who was official.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Absolutely absolutely, And so this is part of what I
believe that, you know, mister Steele's frustration stems from because
as someone who himself was a lifelong Republican, Republicans have
always kind of respected the rule of law. Republicans have
always kind of uh, they've been known for that. That's
(09:34):
consistent with their branding. I don't want to say that
they've always kind of played by those rules, nor would
I say that about anybody who's in politics. But but
that's you know, part and parcel to their whole thing.
And you know, now what we're dealing with is something different,
something that is imaginary, something that is being made up
on the fly, something that has no more checks and balances,
(09:55):
some something that is very reminiscent of, you know, a king.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You know, this man cannot break the law.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He broke the law, and we knew that he broke
the law, and he was elected, and he's got a
Supreme Court protecting him. And now he's got all the
congressmen and all the senators, not all of them, but
you know, the majority of congressmen and women and the
majority of senators protecting him as well and supporting his agenda.
And it makes good career sense for those elected officials
(10:28):
to continue to just kind of kiss his ring. And
for mister Steele, who is no longer active in that arena,
he doesn't have to, so he can kind of call
it what it is. He can, you know, he can
subscribe to a shared reality. He's not locked into the
delusion of Donald Trump is right. Everything he says is right.
(10:49):
Donald Trump is not a smart person. I don't know
why I have to keep saying that he's not a
smart person. I know that because I spent my whole
life around smart people. I took classes with smart people,
like you know, Donald Trump is not that, and nor
is Elon Musk. You know, these are people that have
(11:10):
you know, a couple of bright moments. Sure, but you know,
bona fide smart people are not children. You know, they're
in command of their faculties and their emotions, and they
have strategies that make sense in the real world. They
don't need to lie. They can tell the truth and
accomplish more with the truth than these people will not
(11:30):
accomplish with the lies. They don't need to enrich themselves
at the expense of other people, because they're smart enough
to know how to enrich everyone. You know, even seeming
simpletons like Bill Clinton are Rhodes scholars. That's a quote
from my brother Rocket Iris Science of the Dilated Peoples.
And so, you know, I understand mister Steele's frustration. And
(11:55):
you know, unfortunately, you know, the people that are up
right now, they are so high that they can't see
that that's a long way to fall from. And you know,
if they stay up, then you know, there's really nothing
to see here. But I don't imagine they're going to
stay up forever, because the one thing that's true about
this current Republican party is that it's Donald Trump's party.
(12:20):
And Donald Trump is going to die. He will not
live forever. He is an old man. And when Donald
Trump dies, you have to be Republicans again. And how
does that look?
Speaker 6 (12:34):
You tell me, when the whole party seems to have
switched to him?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Sure, sure, I understand that, but watch this, Watch this,
The whole party has switched to him, in my estimation,
because it's him. He was a reality star with playboy
model girlfriends and blah blah blah x Y and Z,
was a billionaire, all these things, right, and that was
his rise. He worked the media, he worked himself in
the movie. He did everything that he could do to
(13:02):
become an exaggerated version of himself, a more celebrated individual
than he deserved to be, right, And it worked because
American people were fascinated with Trump. He had his own
football league, all this sort of stuff, and when that
guy ran for president and people got a kick out
of that. He never said anything substantial in terms of
his policy. None of that stuff None of that stuff
(13:23):
even made sense in the real world. All it was
was things that supported white supremacist ideas and institutions. That's
the best that it was. And for a lot of people,
a big part of the country, that's enough.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But he dragged the whole party further to the left.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Now, that's not to say that the voter base, you know,
had something to do with dragging the party further to
the left. But the fact of the matter is that
Donald Trump, as people say, is a charismatic manipulator of
the media. Donald Trump can say something didn't happen in segan.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I say, charismatics an interesting word.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Well, no, this is what is said about him. I
don't agree. But people will say he's a charismatic leader.
I see why you got elected. I don't agree with that.
But here's my point. This whole thing has been about
Donald Trump in my estimation, and when Donald Trump is
no longer either in command of his faculties or he
otherwise succumbs to the inevitable, where does the party go?
(14:26):
Who is their leader?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
After that? Do the ideas? Do the policies hold water?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I don't think so, because we've already overcome those policies,
and we've existed in an environment, in a country and
a planet that thrived under Bill Clinton. This was after Reaganomics.
Donald Trump took us back to Reaganomics in prior right,
So we already learned the lesson from Ronald Reagan, right
and before Ronald Reagan. But Donald Trump has taken us back.
(14:57):
So without Donald Trump, do the ideas themselves hold water?
Do the ideas themselves make sense? Does the divisiveness make sense?
We've already learned that lesson as a country. Right, So
without Donald Trump, what is the Republican Party? What is
the Republican Party now? And I would ask James, I
would ask anybody to answer me that, because if this
(15:19):
is the Republican Party, remove Donald Trump from the equation.
If this is the Republican Party, well you need to
be ashamed of yourself A and B. Everything that you
want to accomplish, you already know from history that you won't.
Everyone doing the playing this game, subscribing to this delusion,
is doing so to kiss that ring because at present
(15:43):
it makes career sense for them, and they're not thinking
long term. They're thinking in for your increments. And yeah,
Democrats are down bad, right, Now Democrats are not you
know here, but for better.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Or worse, we do get to see what the Republican
Party is.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
In my opinion, they are a lot of them, I
should say, are cowards. I've never seen anybody worship another
man breathing the same air as them the way that
I see this, even James anything else.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I have a lot, but no, it will save it.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Part.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
I appreciate the hopefulness that you expressed, and I won't
spend you know, ten minutes proven counterpoints is that man
won the election.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
We knew who he was, and he won again.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
So it's just really hard for me to feel as
hopeful that we have this destined, you know, karma based
turnaround that's going to happen for us. The idea that
they've proved that their things don't work, I can't subscribe
to it because I just saw the man win again.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Look, man, you're not wrong to say that. I'm an optimist,
and I'm hopeful. You're not wrong to say that. But
I know that when it gets to the point where
inevitably the the the rubber meets the road, that if
(17:14):
they have really sound strategies, if they do feel like
their foreign policy is the right policy, if they do
have a climate package that that really works, if they
do have, you know, something that works to uplift all
the communities in the United States because they want to
do away with crime. If they think that they have
(17:35):
that plan, it'll it'll, we'll see it and we'll see
it reflected in society. And if not, they're eventually they're
going to run out of uh, you know, runway for
these nonsensical ideas that we've already learned from. And that
that's that's the logical part of the optimism that I have.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
It's not just blind optimism.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
You know, they can't just hire more police and hope
crime goes down, because we've already seen that hire more
police doesn't make crime go down. They can keep hiring
until they run out of money stop though what will
This is my point.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
They don't just stay on the same path.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
They add more to that thing that doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
But eventually, like I said, that runway runs out.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Again.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Like I said, I'm not about to get on here
counter produce.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
Get it negative to your hope. Like so I'd rather
stop talking about it because no, no, I get it.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Man. Well you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Man, we definitely buckled up for a four year ride,
so we'll see where we end up. But uh, no
matter what I think, that Donald Trump doesn't last forever,
and that Donald Trump worshiping therefore it doesn't last forever.
Eventually he's going to be a footnote in history, the
same as all of us. And you know, my question
is what then?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
So we'll wait and see.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
And uh, I don't know. Maybe you're like que and
you have some more points that but perhaps you do
want to share them. And maybe you're like me and
you're like, hey, you know what, we already see some
cracks in the armor. But either way, we'd love to
hear from you. Use the red microphone talkback feature on
the Arheart radio app and cherry thoughts with us.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
We'd love to hear from you. Until you do, you
can find me on all social media at rams's.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Jaw I am q Ward on all social media as well,
and until we talk, y'all peace.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
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