July 8, 2025 • 30 mins
On Part 1 of today's podcast, Q Ward and Ramses discuss Skip Bayless and his reaction to the movie Sinners
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes. He
the man on the microphone, the man, the myth, the legend,
the one and only Qward is your host.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And this is the part of the show where your
host ramses Josh says all of these beautiful things about
himself and then says my name at the end of it.
But truly, people, I just want here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We need you to stick around because we have another
fantastic show in store for you.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We are going to let you know about some stuff
we found out a little later in the show. We
are going to be talking about Target trying to win
back black shoppers using an influencer named Kay Sanot and
how that feels and how it looks and you know, again,
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like I said, the implications of that. We're also going
to be talking about a weird development. Well maybe it's
not so weird, but you know what happened to the
Epstein files. I don't know if you heard, but the
Department of Justice basically says that there's nothing to see here,
and that feels a little funny to a lot of
people on both sides of the aisle, because it has
long been claimed that there was a list of people
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who were on the Epstein files, and based on recent
events or that list to go missing all of a sudden,
or to not exist all of a sudden feels a
little strange. We're also going to be talking about Donald
Trump making cuts to internet access for rural black people
in Georgia. It's not just black people, but somehow this
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is about race. That will make sense when we get
to that segment. But Donald Trump is calling it racism
even though it doesn't just affect black people. We are
going to be talking about Skip Bayless. This is a
name that I learned from Q feeling white guilt after
watching the movie Centers, So there's definitely something there to
stick around for as well. And we are going to
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start the show off by discussing why Middle Eastern people
are considered white legally. But before we get to all that,
it is time for a feel good feature, and today's
fiel good feature comes from the Associated Press.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The former Librarian.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Of Congress, abruptly fired by President Donald Trump, has found
a new position with the country's largest philanthropic supporter of
the arts, the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation exclusively told the
Associated Press that Carla Hayden will join the Humanities Grant
Maker Monday as a Senior Fellow, whose duties will include
advising on efforts to advance public knowledge through libraries and archives.
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The year long project places Hayden back at the center
of the varied debates over American culture that surrounded her dismissal.
The White House ousted Hayden, the first woman and the
first African American to hold the title, after she was
accused of promoting racial literary material by conservative advocacy groups
seeking the squash Trump opposition within the federal government. Hayden
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acknowledged existing threats to the free exchange of ideas in
a statement to the AP. Quote, for generations, libraries, archives
and cultural institutions have been the guardians of knowledge and
the catalyst for hum in progress. Together, we will work
to strengthen the public knowledge ecosystem and ensure that the
transformative power of information remains accessible to all unquote. So
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obviously this is a feel good feature, because you know,
around here we didn't love that she was fired for
doing her job and being black. That felt crazy and
on the right fire for being black, not for doing
her job. I don't I don't want you to conflate
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those two. No, no, no, she was doing her job fully,
like all of the history goes into you know, that's
what the job should be. It's not it shouldn't be selective.
But she was fired because she was not a Trump loyalist.
And this is kind of straight out of the pages
of Project twenty twenty five. So to see her the
highest librarian in the land land another position because she
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was ousted unfairly and and in the same sort of
lane and vain.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That feels good.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So happy to see her continuing to shape things in
this country. All right, so let's talk about why Middle
Eastern people are considered white. This is fascinating to me.
I kind of came across something online, you know, as
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as we do, and you know, I don't always share
things I find online on the show, but this one
piqued my interest, and of course I needed to research it,
and the online stuff sometimes you can research it, sometimes
you can't. But this one came together, so I will share.
And just so you know, both Q and myself qu'es
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from Detroit. So Q grew up with a lot of
you know, Middle Eastern people. The population is significant out there,
and you know these are This is like brother communities
to us. I guess all communities are brother communities, but
you know, these Middle Eastern people, at least I'll speak
for myself, they hold a special place in my heart.
I've I've been able to travel to a lot of
the countries in the Middle East and beautiful people. So again,
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thought this was interesting. Okay, So there's a comedian that
I came across online. His name is Mahmoud Khalil. I
hope I'm saying that right. He was telling a story. Basically,
the story is a Syrian immigrant that moved to Los
Angeles and wanted to be a police officer. Right, so
he's saying he's telling the story of why Middleistern people
are considered white. Now, this Syrian immigrant arrested a well
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connected delinquent one night who was the son.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Of a powerful lawyer. Okay, the lawyer took.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
This Syrian immigrant to court, saying he had no right
to arrest his son in the first place because the
Syrian immigrant was not a real American. Okay. This is
back in nineteen oh nine, by the way, So this
case makes its way all the way up to the
Supreme Court, and the lawyers ended up arguing that the
Syrian immigrant was indeed a citizen of the United States
because he's white, which, based on the laws at the time,
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would have made him a naturalized citizen because he had
lived in the country the right amount of time and
he was white. They had to make this argument in
order to find this individual not guilty of falsely arresting
this lawyer's kid.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Okay, all right, So the.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Defense the people trying to prove whether or not, you know,
Middle Eastern people were white. They boiled it down in
simple terms. They asked the judge where their client was from, okay,
and the judge responds, okay, these Syrians from the eleventeen
region of the world. Then the lawyers asked the judge, okay,
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so who is your Lord and Savior and the judge
replies Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Then the lawyers ask where is Jesus from? And that's
the end of him telling this story, okay. And then
he concludes by saying that the judges, the lawmakers, and
the law enforcers and so forth of this land would
rather make all Middle Eastern people white than make Jesus brown, okay,
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and then the crowd laughs and so forth. So I'm
listening to this story and it sounds like it's based
in fact. But I can't just use that on my own,
so I had to do some research. I couldn't confirm
every piece of it. As you can imagine. This is
from the early nineteen hundreds when this case started, and
it took a long time of court proceedings and whatnot.
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But what I did find I will share with you,
and then of course we'll throw to UQ and get
you to weigh in. So just this is me painting
a picture. I'll cite my sources when I get there.
But the case Dowversity, United States is a nineteen fifteen
case where a Lebanese Maronite immigrant, George Dawe, successfully appealed
to denial of his naturalization application. The case centered on
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whether Syrians, specifically those of Lebanese origin, were considered free
white persons under the Naturalization Act of seventeen ninety. The
court ultimately ruled in Dow's favor, stating that Syrians were
generally accepted as white and therefore eligible for citizenship. Okay,
So I ended up finding this document. This is an
abstract from Khalad A Baden from the Arizona State University
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College of Law, So this is just his words here
says this article examines the legal origins of Arab American
identity during the racially restrictive Naturalization era seventeen ninety through
nineteen fifty two, when whiteness was a prerequisite for American citizenship.
Ten of the fifty three naturalization hearings during this era
involved a petitioner from the Arab world. Judges during the
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naturalization era viewed Arab as synonymous with Muslim identity. Because
Muslims were presumed to be non white and Arabs were
presumed to be Muslims, Arabs were presumptively ineligible for citizenship,
but this presumption could be rebutted. Arab Christians could and
did invoke the fact of their Christianity to argue that
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they were white. These arguments sometimes secured citizenship for Christian petitioners,
but did not always rebut the presumption that every immigrant
from the Arab world was Muslim. Okay, So now that
I've kind of painted this picture, uh, and I thought
this was fascinating.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That was such a fascinating story.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Talk to me, how does it hit How does it
hit you?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, the punchline in the joke was the thing
that stood out to me the most in the whole
yeah segment, because it rings so true. Lawmakers would rather
make the entire Middle East white than have their Jesus
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be considered or viewed as he was brown. They'd rather
whitewash an entire population than let one person, one symbol,
be brown. And then the idea that will if you're white,
of course you're a citizen. And that brings us so
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close to today where we see what's going on with
immigration in this country right now, with ice, with raids,
with families being torn apart, and it would lead you
to believe that there are no undocumented immigrants in this
country that aren't black and brown.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
But we know better.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There are hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants in this
country that are not black and brown. They're just not
being ripped away from their families and dragged out of
their jobs and ganged up and detained and deported because
they're white.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And even now, even.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
An undocumented white person is more a citizen than a
citizen natural born American brown person. Yea even today, so
listening to that, you know that comedian being brilliant enough
to find humor in it.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Ah, it's still a very sobering truth. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And what stood out to me was at the end
of the document I just read said that these arguments
sometimes secured citizenship for Christian petitioners, but did not always
rebut the presumption that every immigrant from the Arab world
was Muslim. Because first off, when we talk about systems,
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this is how systems. This is a system on full display.
Who gets to be white? And what does that mean
for you?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And obviously the reason that white existed in seventeen ninety
was to delineate all the people who were slaves from
all the people who weren't slaves, right, and or slaves
and Native Americans. Right. It did not have a specific
because there was no strong relationship between the United States
and you know, folks in the Middle East at that
time just very much disconnected relative to you know, how
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things are now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But the point I'm making here is that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
When it's it's like there's a there's a way to
pick and choose, right, Because the Trump administration and I'm
sure both of us remember, right, after nine to eleven,
when the attitudes of Muslim people changed immediately and the
flag meant something different right after nine to eleven kind
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of means what it means now, like like we're us
and they're not, you know what I mean sort of
thing for people that fly the flag, right and at
that time that was a like, in hindsight, I can
see that was a very anti anti Muslim, anti brown person.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Display, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I well, interestingly enough, it was anti Muslim, but it
really wasn't anti brown time or even black people. If
you were flying the flag, you were an American than
you were Christian in black. The country was more anti
Muslim than.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
In there it is.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That's that's what I'm trying to say. But so, even
though this ruling has taken place and based on like
the way ethnicity works, these Middle Eastern folks had to
be welcomed into the white category so that they could
be accepted as citizens via the naturalization process, because there's
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now case precedent. You know, this passage. It says that
it did not rebut the presumption that every immigrant from
the Arab world was a Muslim. And I think that
speaks volumes because anti Muslim sentiment has still remained and
indeed is still very much intact in today's government, and
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that to me is heartbreaking because Muslim people have always
been very kind to me. So so yeah, it's a
little bit of history there for you. Now I need
to get your opinion, Q uh So again. Yeah, Q
has taught me a lot about Shannon Sharp and Skip Bayless.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Right, these two guys are well.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I like Shannon Sharp. I think that he's he's he's
like funny, you know, and he's like has like uncle energy.
I guess I don't know these people, of course, but
I've had to listen to him because Q and I
are always in airports or in cars or whatever, and
Q listens to these people talk because Q's more of
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a like athlete. He grew up more into sports, and
I grew up less into sports more maybe music.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
But CU's the music guy too.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I don't want to act like it was not, but
but yeah, sports just wasn't my thing after a while.
So Q knows all these fascinating people, and I'm just
getting to learn about him. So when I saw Skip
Bayless's name, I was like, oh my god, because I
could listen to Q talk about Skip Baylist and Shannon
Sharp all day. Okay, so let me paint this picture
and then of course we're gonna throw to you Q,
because I want to get your thoughts here. So Skip
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Bayless felt white guilt after watching Sinners. All right, this
is from the root. Skip Bayless delivered a surprisingly vulnerable,
yet strange take on Ryan Kugler's blockbuster thriller Centers over
the July fourth weekend. Known more for sports hot takes
than social commentary, Bayless's unexpected detour to share his praises
and critiques of the film, particularly concerning the movies racial themes,
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caused confusion and backlash across social media. On the latest
episode of The Skip Bayless Show, the longtime Fox Sports
podcaster pivoted away from his typical play by play analysis
to share how the film left him with white guilt.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love and hated Sinners. I loved it because when
Ryan Kugler applies his genius to a film, I won't
have any choice but to love it unquote. He went
on too list Coogler's movie accomplishments, including his work with
Michael B. Jordan, who played it her twin Brothers, and
Sinners coining his gifted visionary talents. Quote, I love Sinners
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because of the brilliant melding of two very different genres,
the plight of black people in nineteen thirty two Mississippi
and vampires.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
He goes on to.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Praise coogler screen playability to grab you by the throat
that will probably get bitten unquote. After commending the performances
of Delroy Lindo and Jordan Baylis, thank Coogler for creating
the film. Quote, Yet I must admit when Sinners ended,
I felt battered, bludgeoned, and battered by white guilt. Look,
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Sinners has no use for white people, nor should it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Unquote.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Bayliss continued analyzing the film's metaphor by highlighting how evil,
devious white people trick Black people and suck their blood
and turn them into something they weren't meant to be.
He even noted the first member of the black community
to defy the Brothers was the white passing woman Mary,
portrayed by Hailey Steinfeld.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
She obviously has some white blood, which obviously prevails, and
it leads her, in turn.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
The black community to ruin unquote.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
All right. The podcaster went on to reflect on his career,
sharing how he has fought against racial injustice in the
United States. Quote, I was so blessed to have been
mostly raised by a black woman who was far more
of a mother and a teacher to me than my
mother was my real mother. Though he attributed his growth
to his house manager, Katie Bell, he shared how his
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soul aches when he has to watch what white people
did to black people in the Deep South in the
nineteen thirties, admitting he doesn't know how to fix it.
He continued, quote after a while, it's just hard to
watch unquote.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So obviously after that, people had reactions to Skip Bayless
on social media.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
A lot of people.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Had a lot to say, I guess, you know, some
people I guess liking it. A lot of people not
really liking his take. And you know, I'm excited to
hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think the take is less complicated than the messenger. Okay,
Skip Bayless is a complicated character in our excuse me,
in the sports lexicon, because he is this person who
has covered, you know, black athletes for decades and is
a like champion or advocate for Michael Jordan, one of
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the most famous black athletes of all time. But he's
kind of unique to his praise of Michael Jordan and
very harsh scrutiny for everyone else. Right, So when you
listen to this man nitpick and pick apart all these
great black athletes for twenty years, he puts himself opposite
the culture, even though I don't think he intends to,
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and from what I've gathered from people that work with him,
he's not a racist person, but he does something times
find himself sitting in the same seat that maybe a
maga person would because of the takes and positions that
he adopts. I don't think his takes on the movie
are that crazy. Like I think it'd be easy for
a white person who considers themselves an ally to watch
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a movie where black people meet their demise at the
hands of white people, especially a period piece like you know,
Sharecropping Deep South, USA. I don't think it's controversial that
a white person would come out of a film from
that period in time and feel some guilt. But I
think Skip kind of centers himself in his reaction to
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the movie, and because he has such a complicated past
with black viewers, I don't know if there's any take
he could have given on the movie that would have
been universally accepted or praise. He's a just he's more
complicated messenger than his message being that controversial to me, So.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
My thing about Skip Bayless is every time I hear
about him, he's never the good guy in any story.
So how is this guy so important? And why is
it that he always seems to like I don't maybe
put his foot in his mouth or just he like
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seems to rub everybody that I that I hear about,
that that I talk to or know about, rather rubs
everybody the wrong way? Is that like, is he like
a shock jock or something? Is that?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Is that his thing?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Shock jock isn't appropriate? But again, he he's made his
entire career scrutinizing, nit picking and placing himself opposite of
Lebron James, who is a specifically successful yes, specifically Lebron James,
who is a massively successful black man. So when you
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make a career on picking him apart and have a
lot of very very unpopular takes about a very very
popular and very successful black man, yeah, so it just
it kind of makes you the bad guy in a
lot of people's story and famously the big scat that
he had with Shannon Sharp on television, that's the one,
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I know, grossly grossly defending Tom Brady and tearing down
Shannon Sharp in order to do it. So he just
you know, finds himself in that position far too often.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So that's when he said that.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He said that you're you're not as good as Tom
Brady because you don't have any like Shannon Sharp said,
He's like, I'm in the Hall of Fame. And then
Skip Bayless said that Skip Bayless is white, by the way,
and Shannon Sharp is black, and Lebron James is black.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Closely people follow sports. I might have needed a reminder
like that sometime ago. But anyway, him saying that to
Shannon Sharp that Tom Brady had more I don't know
what he said specifically, but he was but Shannon Sharp
was like, yo, I'm in the I know about football,
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I'm in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And it wasn't I know about football. It was Skip's
position was You'll never be as good as Tom at
anything kind of thing, like in order to praise Tom,
he had to tear Shannon down and like, yo, I'm
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I'm one of the best to ever do this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Don't present me like I'm some scrub who would have been,
you know, lucky to carry Tom's jockstrap around. And you know,
Skip just leaned really hard on making Shannon seem so
insignificant and Tom so special. And his position was like, Yo,
I'm your friend, and you got to tear me down
to lift up this other guy. And you know, people
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wonder what the reason why he isn't It becomes kind
of obvious the white guy lifting up the white guy
while tearing down the black man. Oh that okay, that's
not what he intended.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, okay, I see, So he's not trying to do stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It's just the optics all look bad. That he's always
not trying. But the optics do look bad.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, Well, I don't know, man. I figure, everybody's got
to get there. Everybody's get to the point, got to
get to the point where they understand who they are,
their path in life, how to become a better person.
And some people get there quickly and some people get
there slowly. And you know, you and I famously talk
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about this all the time. You know, everybody. Well, usually
most people say deserve a path back to be accepted,
you know what I mean, Like, some people do make
bad decisions and so forth. Nobody's simply the worst thing
they've ever done. And if people really do want to,
you know, make things right and find their way back,
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there should be a path back for them. And you know,
it seems like at least after watching this movie, s
Get Bayless felt something and something is not nothing, as
we always say. So. Uh, all right, now this is
a name that we know all too well. Because this
guy better do better. We're going to keep our fingers crossed.
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But anyway, Donald Trump cuts internet access for rural black
people in Georgia. Okay, that's the headline, but let me
read the article here. It's from the BIM. A program
designed to expand internet access for rural and black communities
in Georgia was killed amid funding cuts led by Trump's
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Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE. The Digital Equity Capacity
Program was a federal grant aimed at providing high speed
internet access to rural and low income communities, with twenty
two million dollars in funding directed to Georgia earlier this year.
The grant was canceled by the Department of Commerce after
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Trump labeled it a racist and illegal two point five
billion dollar giveaway on his true social platform. According to
to The Current, Okay, so Donald Trump called this racist
to get this, so I just want to make sure
everyone's following call this racist because they're trying to get
internet to rural Georgia.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Okay, let me keep reading.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The grants were designed to help black and brown communities,
as well as seniors, veterans, people disabilities, and low income families.
Funding from the grant would have improved cell tower service
across the state and provided access to fiber optic internet
in rural communities like Macintosh County, where a third of
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the population is black and the median income is fifty
thousand dollars. Okay, let's put a pin in that. Because
the third of the population is black, that means that
two thirds of the population is not just my own
logic there, so how this is racist? Who can say?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Let me continue.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The plan also aimed to expand telehealth services and upgrade
digital literacy to help vulnerable populations identify cyber into telephone scammers.
DOGE cuts also affected the Georgia Department of Public Health
and various grants aimed at helping improve the lives of
the state's black population. Earlier this year, the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention based in Georgia lost three hundred
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and thirty four million dollars in funding due to federal
funding cuts. Several non profits, including the Center for Black
Women's Wellness and Black Health, Inc, An organization focused on
vaccine equity in Georgia, lost four hundred and thirty eight
thousand dollars and nearly five hundred thousand dollars in funding, respectively. Quote,
we are in small nonprofit and this was a million
dollar reimbursable grant, so that was a large percentage of
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our anticipated budget for the year.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Black Health co.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Founder Khadija Amen said in a statement, Now I just
want to say one thing, and then of course I
want you to, you know, weigh in Q. But Donald
Trump was talking about how black people were voting for
him in the last election. You seem like he was
really excited about that, right he was saying, well, the numbers,
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you know, black men voting for me, blah blah. And
I know that he had a really strong digital campaign, right,
like internet based campaign like Facebook and you know, social
media apps things like.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That, and you know he did some podcast and yeah,
all that, you know, weighed in the manisphere and there
you go. Strong digital campaign, I mean, stronger than Tamala.
I don't believe so, but I think it's just became
in vogue to say it. Sure, I don't sudn't see
him doing anything special in digital.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But he's touted it, right, So you're right strong it
was a good thing for him to say. So him
then making cuts to expanding digital access. If he really
feels like he got everything honestly and his message resonated
with black people too, honestly, then why the cuts. And
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if you're going to make the cuts, then why call
the cuts racist? Right?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
It just feels crazy? All right?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Go ahead, you I mean the guy is very anti black,
like deliberately, and you know his sickle fan base, you know,
religious code following of Zelots will argue you up and
down that he's not racist. I've even seeing black celebrities
argue you up and down that he's not racist. And
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what proof do we have that he's racist? Everything that
he's done has been anti people of color, and he
used to or I'll say politicians used to mask things
like this inside of other things. Right, Hey, we're doing
this thing that's going to help this group, and then
somewhere in the small print it would be negatively impacting
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other groups. This time around, they're not even pretending to
be helping anyone except for the top zero zero zero,
zero one percent and blatantly attacking and marginalizing and removing
protections for and taking away and if it's for people
of color, Almost every executive order and almost every piece
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of legislation has been to directly impact people of color,
and then you know, poor people too. But when they
have to put something on it or call something reverse
racist or just flatly racist, they're even using civil rights
legal precedents to roll back protections for people's ard. It's
a really evil and disgusting thing that they're doing. But
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you know, they've shown that they can do whatever they want,
and what they want is to make this country white again.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, it's interesting that the you know, the version of
reality that this president is taking us toward is very
scary to a lot of us and to a lot
of people that don't know it. They think it might
be scary for them, but They have no idea how
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deep it runs for us, So stick around. We got
more coming your way.
Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes. He
the man on the microphone, the man, the myth, the legend,
the one and only Qward is your host.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And this is the part of the show where your
host ramses Josh says all of these beautiful things about
himself and then says my name at the end of it.
But truly, people, I just want here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We need you to stick around because we have another
fantastic show in store for you.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We are going to let you know about some stuff
we found out a little later in the show. We
are going to be talking about Target trying to win
back black shoppers using an influencer named Kay Sanot and
how that feels and how it looks and you know, again,
(00:49):
like I said, the implications of that. We're also going
to be talking about a weird development. Well maybe it's
not so weird, but you know what happened to the
Epstein files. I don't know if you heard, but the
Department of Justice basically says that there's nothing to see here,
and that feels a little funny to a lot of
people on both sides of the aisle, because it has
long been claimed that there was a list of people
(01:09):
who were on the Epstein files, and based on recent
events or that list to go missing all of a sudden,
or to not exist all of a sudden feels a
little strange. We're also going to be talking about Donald
Trump making cuts to internet access for rural black people
in Georgia. It's not just black people, but somehow this
(01:33):
is about race. That will make sense when we get
to that segment. But Donald Trump is calling it racism
even though it doesn't just affect black people. We are
going to be talking about Skip Bayless. This is a
name that I learned from Q feeling white guilt after
watching the movie Centers, So there's definitely something there to
stick around for as well. And we are going to
(01:54):
start the show off by discussing why Middle Eastern people
are considered white legally. But before we get to all that,
it is time for a feel good feature, and today's
fiel good feature comes from the Associated Press.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
The former Librarian.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Of Congress, abruptly fired by President Donald Trump, has found
a new position with the country's largest philanthropic supporter of
the arts, the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation exclusively told the
Associated Press that Carla Hayden will join the Humanities Grant
Maker Monday as a Senior Fellow, whose duties will include
advising on efforts to advance public knowledge through libraries and archives.
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The year long project places Hayden back at the center
of the varied debates over American culture that surrounded her dismissal.
The White House ousted Hayden, the first woman and the
first African American to hold the title, after she was
accused of promoting racial literary material by conservative advocacy groups
seeking the squash Trump opposition within the federal government. Hayden
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acknowledged existing threats to the free exchange of ideas in
a statement to the AP. Quote, for generations, libraries, archives
and cultural institutions have been the guardians of knowledge and
the catalyst for hum in progress. Together, we will work
to strengthen the public knowledge ecosystem and ensure that the
transformative power of information remains accessible to all unquote. So
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obviously this is a feel good feature, because you know,
around here we didn't love that she was fired for
doing her job and being black. That felt crazy and
on the right fire for being black, not for doing
her job. I don't I don't want you to conflate
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those two. No, no, no, she was doing her job fully,
like all of the history goes into you know, that's
what the job should be. It's not it shouldn't be selective.
But she was fired because she was not a Trump loyalist.
And this is kind of straight out of the pages
of Project twenty twenty five. So to see her the
highest librarian in the land land another position because she
(03:52):
was ousted unfairly and and in the same sort of
lane and vain.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That feels good.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
So happy to see her continuing to shape things in
this country. All right, so let's talk about why Middle
Eastern people are considered white. This is fascinating to me.
I kind of came across something online, you know, as
(04:19):
as we do, and you know, I don't always share
things I find online on the show, but this one
piqued my interest, and of course I needed to research it,
and the online stuff sometimes you can research it, sometimes
you can't. But this one came together, so I will share.
And just so you know, both Q and myself qu'es
(04:40):
from Detroit. So Q grew up with a lot of
you know, Middle Eastern people. The population is significant out there,
and you know these are This is like brother communities
to us. I guess all communities are brother communities, but
you know, these Middle Eastern people, at least I'll speak
for myself, they hold a special place in my heart.
I've I've been able to travel to a lot of
the countries in the Middle East and beautiful people. So again,
(05:03):
thought this was interesting. Okay, So there's a comedian that
I came across online. His name is Mahmoud Khalil. I
hope I'm saying that right. He was telling a story. Basically,
the story is a Syrian immigrant that moved to Los
Angeles and wanted to be a police officer. Right, so
he's saying he's telling the story of why Middleistern people
are considered white. Now, this Syrian immigrant arrested a well
(05:24):
connected delinquent one night who was the son.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Of a powerful lawyer. Okay, the lawyer took.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
This Syrian immigrant to court, saying he had no right
to arrest his son in the first place because the
Syrian immigrant was not a real American. Okay. This is
back in nineteen oh nine, by the way, So this
case makes its way all the way up to the
Supreme Court, and the lawyers ended up arguing that the
Syrian immigrant was indeed a citizen of the United States
because he's white, which, based on the laws at the time,
(05:53):
would have made him a naturalized citizen because he had
lived in the country the right amount of time and
he was white. They had to make this argument in
order to find this individual not guilty of falsely arresting
this lawyer's kid.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Okay, all right, So the.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Defense the people trying to prove whether or not, you know,
Middle Eastern people were white. They boiled it down in
simple terms. They asked the judge where their client was from, okay,
and the judge responds, okay, these Syrians from the eleventeen
region of the world. Then the lawyers asked the judge, okay,
(06:33):
so who is your Lord and Savior and the judge
replies Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Then the lawyers ask where is Jesus from? And that's
the end of him telling this story, okay. And then
he concludes by saying that the judges, the lawmakers, and
the law enforcers and so forth of this land would
rather make all Middle Eastern people white than make Jesus brown, okay,
(07:00):
and then the crowd laughs and so forth. So I'm
listening to this story and it sounds like it's based
in fact. But I can't just use that on my own,
so I had to do some research. I couldn't confirm
every piece of it. As you can imagine. This is
from the early nineteen hundreds when this case started, and
it took a long time of court proceedings and whatnot.
(07:20):
But what I did find I will share with you,
and then of course we'll throw to UQ and get
you to weigh in. So just this is me painting
a picture. I'll cite my sources when I get there.
But the case Dowversity, United States is a nineteen fifteen
case where a Lebanese Maronite immigrant, George Dawe, successfully appealed
to denial of his naturalization application. The case centered on
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whether Syrians, specifically those of Lebanese origin, were considered free
white persons under the Naturalization Act of seventeen ninety. The
court ultimately ruled in Dow's favor, stating that Syrians were
generally accepted as white and therefore eligible for citizenship. Okay,
So I ended up finding this document. This is an
abstract from Khalad A Baden from the Arizona State University
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College of Law, So this is just his words here
says this article examines the legal origins of Arab American
identity during the racially restrictive Naturalization era seventeen ninety through
nineteen fifty two, when whiteness was a prerequisite for American citizenship.
Ten of the fifty three naturalization hearings during this era
involved a petitioner from the Arab world. Judges during the
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naturalization era viewed Arab as synonymous with Muslim identity. Because
Muslims were presumed to be non white and Arabs were
presumed to be Muslims, Arabs were presumptively ineligible for citizenship,
but this presumption could be rebutted. Arab Christians could and
did invoke the fact of their Christianity to argue that
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they were white. These arguments sometimes secured citizenship for Christian petitioners,
but did not always rebut the presumption that every immigrant
from the Arab world was Muslim. Okay, So now that
I've kind of painted this picture, uh, and I thought
this was fascinating.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That was such a fascinating story.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Talk to me, how does it hit How does it
hit you?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know, the punchline in the joke was the thing
that stood out to me the most in the whole
yeah segment, because it rings so true. Lawmakers would rather
make the entire Middle East white than have their Jesus
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be considered or viewed as he was brown. They'd rather
whitewash an entire population than let one person, one symbol,
be brown. And then the idea that will if you're white,
of course you're a citizen. And that brings us so
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close to today where we see what's going on with
immigration in this country right now, with ice, with raids,
with families being torn apart, and it would lead you
to believe that there are no undocumented immigrants in this
country that aren't black and brown.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
But we know better.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There are hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants in this
country that are not black and brown. They're just not
being ripped away from their families and dragged out of
their jobs and ganged up and detained and deported because
they're white.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
And even now, even.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
An undocumented white person is more a citizen than a
citizen natural born American brown person. Yea even today, so
listening to that, you know that comedian being brilliant enough
to find humor in it.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Ah, it's still a very sobering truth. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And what stood out to me was at the end
of the document I just read said that these arguments
sometimes secured citizenship for Christian petitioners, but did not always
rebut the presumption that every immigrant from the Arab world
was Muslim. Because first off, when we talk about systems,
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this is how systems. This is a system on full display.
Who gets to be white? And what does that mean
for you?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And obviously the reason that white existed in seventeen ninety
was to delineate all the people who were slaves from
all the people who weren't slaves, right, and or slaves
and Native Americans. Right. It did not have a specific
because there was no strong relationship between the United States
and you know, folks in the Middle East at that
time just very much disconnected relative to you know, how
(12:04):
things are now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
But the point I'm making here is that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
When it's it's like there's a there's a way to
pick and choose, right, Because the Trump administration and I'm
sure both of us remember, right, after nine to eleven,
when the attitudes of Muslim people changed immediately and the
flag meant something different right after nine to eleven kind
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of means what it means now, like like we're us
and they're not, you know what I mean sort of
thing for people that fly the flag, right and at
that time that was a like, in hindsight, I can
see that was a very anti anti Muslim, anti brown person.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Display, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I well, interestingly enough, it was anti Muslim, but it
really wasn't anti brown time or even black people. If
you were flying the flag, you were an American than
you were Christian in black. The country was more anti
Muslim than.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
In there it is.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That's that's what I'm trying to say. But so, even
though this ruling has taken place and based on like
the way ethnicity works, these Middle Eastern folks had to
be welcomed into the white category so that they could
be accepted as citizens via the naturalization process, because there's
(13:34):
now case precedent. You know, this passage. It says that
it did not rebut the presumption that every immigrant from
the Arab world was a Muslim. And I think that
speaks volumes because anti Muslim sentiment has still remained and
indeed is still very much intact in today's government, and
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that to me is heartbreaking because Muslim people have always
been very kind to me. So so yeah, it's a
little bit of history there for you. Now I need
to get your opinion, Q uh So again. Yeah, Q
has taught me a lot about Shannon Sharp and Skip Bayless.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Right, these two guys are well.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I like Shannon Sharp. I think that he's he's he's
like funny, you know, and he's like has like uncle energy.
I guess I don't know these people, of course, but
I've had to listen to him because Q and I
are always in airports or in cars or whatever, and
Q listens to these people talk because Q's more of
(14:38):
a like athlete. He grew up more into sports, and
I grew up less into sports more maybe music.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
But CU's the music guy too.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I don't want to act like it was not, but
but yeah, sports just wasn't my thing after a while.
So Q knows all these fascinating people, and I'm just
getting to learn about him. So when I saw Skip
Bayless's name, I was like, oh my god, because I
could listen to Q talk about Skip Baylist and Shannon
Sharp all day. Okay, so let me paint this picture
and then of course we're gonna throw to you Q,
because I want to get your thoughts here. So Skip
(15:05):
Bayless felt white guilt after watching Sinners. All right, this
is from the root. Skip Bayless delivered a surprisingly vulnerable,
yet strange take on Ryan Kugler's blockbuster thriller Centers over
the July fourth weekend. Known more for sports hot takes
than social commentary, Bayless's unexpected detour to share his praises
and critiques of the film, particularly concerning the movies racial themes,
(15:29):
caused confusion and backlash across social media. On the latest
episode of The Skip Bayless Show, the longtime Fox Sports
podcaster pivoted away from his typical play by play analysis
to share how the film left him with white guilt.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love and hated Sinners. I loved it because when
Ryan Kugler applies his genius to a film, I won't
have any choice but to love it unquote. He went
on too list Coogler's movie accomplishments, including his work with
Michael B. Jordan, who played it her twin Brothers, and
Sinners coining his gifted visionary talents. Quote, I love Sinners
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because of the brilliant melding of two very different genres,
the plight of black people in nineteen thirty two Mississippi
and vampires.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
He goes on to.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Praise coogler screen playability to grab you by the throat
that will probably get bitten unquote. After commending the performances
of Delroy Lindo and Jordan Baylis, thank Coogler for creating
the film. Quote, Yet I must admit when Sinners ended,
I felt battered, bludgeoned, and battered by white guilt. Look,
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Sinners has no use for white people, nor should it.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Unquote.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Bayliss continued analyzing the film's metaphor by highlighting how evil,
devious white people trick Black people and suck their blood
and turn them into something they weren't meant to be.
He even noted the first member of the black community
to defy the Brothers was the white passing woman Mary,
portrayed by Hailey Steinfeld.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
She obviously has some white blood, which obviously prevails, and
it leads her, in turn.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
The black community to ruin unquote.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
All right. The podcaster went on to reflect on his career,
sharing how he has fought against racial injustice in the
United States. Quote, I was so blessed to have been
mostly raised by a black woman who was far more
of a mother and a teacher to me than my
mother was my real mother. Though he attributed his growth
to his house manager, Katie Bell, he shared how his
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soul aches when he has to watch what white people
did to black people in the Deep South in the
nineteen thirties, admitting he doesn't know how to fix it.
He continued, quote after a while, it's just hard to
watch unquote.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
So obviously after that, people had reactions to Skip Bayless
on social media.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
A lot of people.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Had a lot to say, I guess, you know, some
people I guess liking it. A lot of people not
really liking his take. And you know, I'm excited to
hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I think the take is less complicated than the messenger. Okay,
Skip Bayless is a complicated character in our excuse me,
in the sports lexicon, because he is this person who
has covered, you know, black athletes for decades and is
a like champion or advocate for Michael Jordan, one of
(18:31):
the most famous black athletes of all time. But he's
kind of unique to his praise of Michael Jordan and
very harsh scrutiny for everyone else. Right, So when you
listen to this man nitpick and pick apart all these
great black athletes for twenty years, he puts himself opposite
the culture, even though I don't think he intends to,
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and from what I've gathered from people that work with him,
he's not a racist person, but he does something times
find himself sitting in the same seat that maybe a
maga person would because of the takes and positions that
he adopts. I don't think his takes on the movie
are that crazy. Like I think it'd be easy for
a white person who considers themselves an ally to watch
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a movie where black people meet their demise at the
hands of white people, especially a period piece like you know,
Sharecropping Deep South, USA. I don't think it's controversial that
a white person would come out of a film from
that period in time and feel some guilt. But I
think Skip kind of centers himself in his reaction to
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the movie, and because he has such a complicated past
with black viewers, I don't know if there's any take
he could have given on the movie that would have
been universally accepted or praise. He's a just he's more
complicated messenger than his message being that controversial to me, So.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
My thing about Skip Bayless is every time I hear
about him, he's never the good guy in any story.
So how is this guy so important? And why is
it that he always seems to like I don't maybe
put his foot in his mouth or just he like
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seems to rub everybody that I that I hear about,
that that I talk to or know about, rather rubs
everybody the wrong way? Is that like, is he like
a shock jock or something? Is that?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Is that his thing?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Shock jock isn't appropriate? But again, he he's made his
entire career scrutinizing, nit picking and placing himself opposite of
Lebron James, who is a specifically successful yes, specifically Lebron James,
who is a massively successful black man. So when you
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make a career on picking him apart and have a
lot of very very unpopular takes about a very very
popular and very successful black man, yeah, so it just
it kind of makes you the bad guy in a
lot of people's story and famously the big scat that
he had with Shannon Sharp on television, that's the one,
(21:17):
I know, grossly grossly defending Tom Brady and tearing down
Shannon Sharp in order to do it. So he just
you know, finds himself in that position far too often.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So that's when he said that.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
He said that you're you're not as good as Tom
Brady because you don't have any like Shannon Sharp said,
He's like, I'm in the Hall of Fame. And then
Skip Bayless said that Skip Bayless is white, by the way,
and Shannon Sharp is black, and Lebron James is black.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Closely people follow sports. I might have needed a reminder
like that sometime ago. But anyway, him saying that to
Shannon Sharp that Tom Brady had more I don't know
what he said specifically, but he was but Shannon Sharp
was like, yo, I'm in the I know about football,
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I'm in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And it wasn't I know about football. It was Skip's
position was You'll never be as good as Tom at
anything kind of thing, like in order to praise Tom,
he had to tear Shannon down and like, yo, I'm
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I'm one of the best to ever do this.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Don't present me like I'm some scrub who would have been,
you know, lucky to carry Tom's jockstrap around. And you know,
Skip just leaned really hard on making Shannon seem so
insignificant and Tom so special. And his position was like, Yo,
I'm your friend, and you got to tear me down
to lift up this other guy. And you know, people
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wonder what the reason why he isn't It becomes kind
of obvious the white guy lifting up the white guy
while tearing down the black man. Oh that okay, that's
not what he intended.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, okay, I see, So he's not trying to do stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It's just the optics all look bad. That he's always
not trying. But the optics do look bad.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Okay, Well, I don't know, man. I figure, everybody's got
to get there. Everybody's get to the point, got to
get to the point where they understand who they are,
their path in life, how to become a better person.
And some people get there quickly and some people get
there slowly. And you know, you and I famously talk
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about this all the time. You know, everybody. Well, usually
most people say deserve a path back to be accepted,
you know what I mean, Like, some people do make
bad decisions and so forth. Nobody's simply the worst thing
they've ever done. And if people really do want to,
you know, make things right and find their way back,
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there should be a path back for them. And you know,
it seems like at least after watching this movie, s
Get Bayless felt something and something is not nothing, as
we always say. So. Uh, all right, now this is
a name that we know all too well. Because this
guy better do better. We're going to keep our fingers crossed.
(24:12):
But anyway, Donald Trump cuts internet access for rural black
people in Georgia. Okay, that's the headline, but let me
read the article here. It's from the BIM. A program
designed to expand internet access for rural and black communities
in Georgia was killed amid funding cuts led by Trump's
(24:32):
Department of Government Efficiency or DOGE. The Digital Equity Capacity
Program was a federal grant aimed at providing high speed
internet access to rural and low income communities, with twenty
two million dollars in funding directed to Georgia earlier this year.
The grant was canceled by the Department of Commerce after
(24:52):
Trump labeled it a racist and illegal two point five
billion dollar giveaway on his true social platform. According to
to The Current, Okay, so Donald Trump called this racist
to get this, so I just want to make sure
everyone's following call this racist because they're trying to get
internet to rural Georgia.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Okay, let me keep reading.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The grants were designed to help black and brown communities,
as well as seniors, veterans, people disabilities, and low income families.
Funding from the grant would have improved cell tower service
across the state and provided access to fiber optic internet
in rural communities like Macintosh County, where a third of
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the population is black and the median income is fifty
thousand dollars. Okay, let's put a pin in that. Because
the third of the population is black, that means that
two thirds of the population is not just my own
logic there, so how this is racist? Who can say?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
All?
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Let me continue.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The plan also aimed to expand telehealth services and upgrade
digital literacy to help vulnerable populations identify cyber into telephone scammers.
DOGE cuts also affected the Georgia Department of Public Health
and various grants aimed at helping improve the lives of
the state's black population. Earlier this year, the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention based in Georgia lost three hundred
(26:11):
and thirty four million dollars in funding due to federal
funding cuts. Several non profits, including the Center for Black
Women's Wellness and Black Health, Inc, An organization focused on
vaccine equity in Georgia, lost four hundred and thirty eight
thousand dollars and nearly five hundred thousand dollars in funding, respectively. Quote,
we are in small nonprofit and this was a million
dollar reimbursable grant, so that was a large percentage of
(26:33):
our anticipated budget for the year.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Black Health co.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Founder Khadija Amen said in a statement, Now I just
want to say one thing, and then of course I
want you to, you know, weigh in Q. But Donald
Trump was talking about how black people were voting for
him in the last election. You seem like he was
really excited about that, right he was saying, well, the numbers,
(26:58):
you know, black men voting for me, blah blah. And
I know that he had a really strong digital campaign, right,
like internet based campaign like Facebook and you know, social
media apps things like.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
That, and you know he did some podcast and yeah,
all that, you know, weighed in the manisphere and there
you go. Strong digital campaign, I mean, stronger than Tamala.
I don't believe so, but I think it's just became
in vogue to say it. Sure, I don't sudn't see
him doing anything special in digital.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
But he's touted it, right, So you're right strong it
was a good thing for him to say. So him
then making cuts to expanding digital access. If he really
feels like he got everything honestly and his message resonated
with black people too, honestly, then why the cuts. And
(27:53):
if you're going to make the cuts, then why call
the cuts racist? Right?
Speaker 3 (27:58):
It just feels crazy? All right?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Go ahead, you I mean the guy is very anti black,
like deliberately, and you know his sickle fan base, you know,
religious code following of Zelots will argue you up and
down that he's not racist. I've even seeing black celebrities
argue you up and down that he's not racist. And
(28:20):
what proof do we have that he's racist? Everything that
he's done has been anti people of color, and he
used to or I'll say politicians used to mask things
like this inside of other things. Right, Hey, we're doing
this thing that's going to help this group, and then
somewhere in the small print it would be negatively impacting
(28:42):
other groups. This time around, they're not even pretending to
be helping anyone except for the top zero zero zero,
zero one percent and blatantly attacking and marginalizing and removing
protections for and taking away and if it's for people
of color, Almost every executive order and almost every piece
(29:04):
of legislation has been to directly impact people of color,
and then you know, poor people too. But when they
have to put something on it or call something reverse
racist or just flatly racist, they're even using civil rights
legal precedents to roll back protections for people's ard. It's
a really evil and disgusting thing that they're doing. But
(29:26):
you know, they've shown that they can do whatever they want,
and what they want is to make this country white again.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, it's interesting that the you know, the version of
reality that this president is taking us toward is very
scary to a lot of us and to a lot
of people that don't know it. They think it might
be scary for them, but They have no idea how
(29:55):
deep it runs for us, So stick around. We got
more coming your way.
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