Part 2 June19, 2025. Tucker Carlson Takes Down Ted Cruz in Iran Interview

Tucker Carlson Takes Down Ted Cruz in Iran Interview.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Still broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. This is the
QR code where we share a perspective, seek understanding, and
shape outcomes. I'm your host, Ramsey's job, and.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I am q more.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
And in this part of the show, we need to
stick around because our guest, Wendy Amara is joining us.
If you don't know, she is an activist board member
of Roots and Wings and the hosts of the Yes
More Hair Builded podcast and she is going to be
talking to us about the protest in LA. But first,
Q I heard that the MAGA folks are trying to
link the Minnesota lawmaker Shooter with Democrats. What say ye?

(00:32):
For your clap back?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I want to ask you a question, Ramses, what is
more dangerous than the truth? It's kind of rhetorical. You
don't have to give me an answer. I'm like something
for you to pause and for the listener to pause,
because it's a point of question. When you talk about
the New Republican Party or MAGA America, Uh, you hear

(00:56):
their leaders jumping like immediately chopping you know, champ how
do I say it? Cham champing at the bit to
call this a left wing plot?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Okay, but not only is the.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Suspect a registered Republican, But every time Trump has run,
he's voted for Trump. Triple Trumper, a triple Trump preacher
by the way, who doly driven by far right, you know,
evangelical far right ideology with a target list of more Democrats.

(01:32):
So what's more dangerous protest calling out injustices or preachers
preaching hatred while wearing maga hats. That's the question that
I have to keep coming back to because it's the
hypocrisy for me, bro like watching what they pretend to

(01:54):
be outraged by. Right, they talk about law and order
and you know everything that has to do with illegal immigrants,
flying flags representing a different country, attacking law enforcement, destroying poverty.
It sounds like I'm describing some riot, but I'm really
describing January sixth, where Confederate flags went through the Capitol building,

(02:14):
where people got killed or law enforces, law enforcement officers
got trampled. Right, So that's keeps bringing me back to
this question because we just witnessed this shooting, multiple people shot, fatalities,
Democratic lawmakers, targeted, families torn apart again and before their

(02:36):
blood was even dry, before the suspect's name had even
been made public. The usual suspects, super Trumper, parasocial, sickophantic
supporters like Senator Mike Lee and the right wing outrage
machine had already started the screaming, look at what leftists

(02:57):
are doing? Right, So they find a way to lane
deal or woke culture or Democrats. But you have for
crimes that are committed by pro Trump evangelical preachers, they
find a way. Man like I need you to let
us think in like, I hear you confuse as I

(03:17):
say these things, because for some reason you are holding
on too logic. My friend, I don't know why you
would do such a thing. And to face what we
are dealing with here, because we know for fact that
facts don't matter to them anymore. They are so far
radicalized that, while claiming to be Christian, their ideology helps

(03:43):
them say I love Christ, but I openly support Trump.
This man put on law enforcement clothes, a police uniform,
and executed elected officials while calling his mission righteous. And
of course he was subdued and arrested, unharmed, safe, treated fairly,

(04:04):
and will get due process. Might we add spiritual warfare
rams truly believing that it was God's will for him
to kill these people because he disagreed with their politics.
But of course, instead of looking inward, the right goes
right into deflect mode because admitting that their ideology and

(04:27):
that their messaging is dangerous, it's something that they can
never do, you know what I'm saying, Like owning the
fact that this actual threat is an antifa. It's not
drag shows, it's not student protesters, it's them that people
that they've spent years embodening the violence that in the

(04:48):
violent rhetoric that they've made normal. Like, that's what scares
me the most, bro Like, it's not about it's not
even about extreme anymore. The way we see it, it's
well to do seemingly decent Christian people hiding in this cowardice,
afraid to ever tell their king that he's wrong, because

(05:09):
what we're seeing isn't new. January sixth was not a glitch.
It was a warning. It was a test. When they
saw that they can overturn the capital and assault law
enforcement with impunity, they knew that they had broken something
and cracked something that they could probably hold open for
some time. And that's what we're living through now. So

(05:29):
what I want to know man waving a white flag,
while chanting hate doesn't make you righteous, it makes you dangerous.
And calling for justice, even loudly, even disruptively, doesn't make
someone a threat, It makes them American. So again, I
ask people waving white flags at a protest demanding immigrant

(05:51):
families be treated with dignity, or a preacher with a
gun and a hit list inspired by maga wich one
is more dangerous? We already know the answer, rams, Will
anybody have the courage to say it out loud?

Speaker 1 (06:09):
That is the question? Well, I think if I may
attempt to be profound, what's more dangerous than the truth? Probably? Nothing.
And now we are joined by Wendy Amara, who is
an activist board member of Roots and Wings, a content

(06:30):
creator group that uplifts the stories of immigrants, and she's
the host of the Yes Muher Builded podcast who can
be found online at Wendy Amara. So we are going
to be kind of digging a little bit more into
the weeds and uncovering really the conservative approach to immigration.

(06:51):
We're going to get some talking points out of the
way and fleshed out, and we definitely think it's going
to help if you're having tough cons around the dinner
table are at work, So stick around for that and
so much more. But right now it is time to
be aba. Become a better ally Baba and today's Baba.
We want you to check out MDEF dot org. That's

(07:12):
IMMDF dot org. That stands for Immigrant Defender's Law Center,
mdeaf and Immigrant Defender's Law Center is a next generation
social justice law firm that defends immigrant communities against injustices
in the immigration system. MDF was created in twenty fifteen

(07:32):
from the vision of a small group of immigration lawyers
and advocates who believe there was a better way to
protect the due process rights of immigrants spacing deportation. At
its founding, MDEF was solely focused on ensuring that every
immigrant before the immigration court had a lawyer by their side. However,
in the years that followed, they recognized the need to
not only help individual sorry individuals facing deportation, but also

(07:56):
work towards systemic change that reimagines a more just immigration system.
You are needed in this fight. Become an immigrant defender.
Every day asylum seekers and refugees face new challenges to
seeking safety. Follow their work to learn more on how
to help immigrants feel welcomed with dignity and you could
sign up for their newsletter, donate, or simply learn more

(08:18):
at mdef dot org. And we definitely wanted to shout
these folks out because there are a lot of people
around the country who are not in California. Maybe they're
not connected to California, but they have an immigrant story
or they just have a beating heart and they see
the humanity in this moment, and we wanted to make
sure that we went through and vetted an organization that

(08:41):
you could donate to, even if you couldn't be on
the ground protesting or helping out in a physical way,
you could send money. And these folks have a full
five oh one C three again, check out more and
vet them yourselves. It's IMMDF dot org. That is Immigrant
Defender's Laws Center. Okay, so the conservative approach to immigration, now,

(09:10):
we talked a little bit about this in the first
half of the show, and nothing is ever really cut
and dry, but I think that oversimplifying immigration has really
allowed for them to interject falsehoods into what is a

(09:34):
normal immigrant story in this country. Donald Trump famously says
they're sending their worst, their rapist, their murderers, that sort
of stuff. Right, and by simplifying an immigrant and distilling
a human being down to simply a misdemeanor, they may
have committed a paperwork violation by naming it something more

(10:02):
alarming than what it actually is, which is again in
many instances of the clerical violation. In other instances, it's
simply a misdemeanor. By calling those people criminals and then
using that criminalization of them to justify denying them due
process and to you know, kidnap them and sensationalize all

(10:24):
of this stuff so that you can peddle it to
your base to say, hey, look, I'm an effective leader.
I'm getting all of these criminals and rapists out of
the country and it's not going to make any material
changes to people's lives. I think you mentioned the first
part of the show, Wendy, that you know, people depend
on immigrants. We all depend on immigrants. Immigrants pay taxes,
so there's a tax implication there. Immigrants are a huge

(10:47):
part of the workforce in many cities around the country,
not just LA and these people are our people. They're
fabric of our community, and they have They didn't just
come here last These are people that have been here decades,
have children here, so forth right conservatives often overlook that part,

(11:08):
but we need to speak to their talking points. So
I will start with one that comes up quite a bit.
And Que's going to help out, of course, because Q
and I went through this already. But what would you
say to a person that says, well, you know what,
they should have come here legally.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, we get that question quite a bit in our
comments section. I bet you do with our posts with
roots and Wings. Yeah. Okay, Well, let's break it down.
What does it really take to become legal and get
legal paperwork right? The last time the process was actually
a process was during the Reagan administration. Since then, there
has been no clear pathway, no one clear pathway, like

(11:50):
here are the five steps you need to take to
apply for citizenship, to apply for asylum, for example. So
it is difficult. It is a difficult process that takes years.
I know somebody who's been going through the process for
ten years, ten years to get their paperwork in order, right.

(12:12):
That keeps being pushed back from the government. And then
every four years we change the administration, so then the
laws changed, the policy has changed. So what worked for
you five years ago? Oh well, now we got a
new policy, So that's changed. So you might have already
been in process with a certain policy five years ago
and then that changed, and now new policy, you got

(12:33):
to start all over. This is why it takes people
ten fifteen to twenty years, sometimes five years, six years.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Secondly, it's expensive. I don't know if you guys know
how much an immigration attorney costs to fill out paperwork. Yeah,
we're talking about in the thousands. I've heard people pay
as much as ten thousand dollars, five thousand dollars for
their immigration paperwork, and that's per person. Right, So if
you have a mom and a dad and it's seven

(12:59):
thousand at the end of the day to get them
through immigration paperwork, then we're talking about fourteen thousand dollars.
What that's a lot of what these families make in
two three years, right combined. So it takes a long time.
Policies keep changing, there is not a clear pathway. Secondly,
it's expensive. A lot of families can't afford it in

(13:21):
the long run. Right. Apparently, you can get citizenship and
a green card if you have a million plus dollars
and you just pay directly to Trump. Yeah, and you
get that what's it called, the Golden nugget.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
The Golden ticket thing.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, the Golden ticket thing, the Golden ticket thing, right.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
I like the Golden nugget. Go with that. I like it.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, whatever it's called. So there is a way to
buy your citizenship if you're rich, right, and apparently you
can also get amnesty by the way, if you know this,
if you happen to be South African and white.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, so there is.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
An a program for them because they're under attack in
their country, right, this is what we've been told. But
for the man who's literally been working here for thirty
years and has been paying his taxes and everything forever,
and maybe even as trying to get his paperwork, maybe
he's in process. If he shows up tomorrow for his

(14:20):
trial at immigration court, he's going to get picked up
by Ice. His case is going to be dismissed, and
he's going to get picked up by Ice and then
sent back to wherever he came. So even people who
are trying to do the right thing, who at this
point have tried to follow the path, this is why
people don't do it legally. There is no real way

(14:40):
to do it legally, quote unquote, it's challenging, and you
know what, Mexico's right next door, so you're going to
have people that are going to figure out a way
to come in. In fact, we used to have programs,
right The Bassetto program was a program that existed for
many years where Mexico and the United States actually traded
people to come over. So whenever the United States has

(15:03):
needed labor, Mexico has raised their hand and said, okay,
we'll send you some of our laborers, and then people
came over and worked. To this day, there are sections
of Tijuana where people just cross the border into the
US work during the day, and they go back to
tj And it's been peaceful up until now, up until
recent times. But listen, there have been deportations happening through

(15:25):
all of the administrations. So there were deportations happening, you know,
when Biden was in office. In fact, when Biden was
in office, there were more deportations at this point than
what has happened now with Trump. But the way in
which it's being done is different. It is being done
in a terrorising way. I cannot tell you the fear I,
as an American citizen, am in fear because I think

(15:49):
I'm going to get stopped just because I look brown.
I'm going to get stopped and asked where was I born?
And if I can't come up with it immediately, then
they start to question you. And this is random. I mean,
we have footage of people going to the swap meet
and just going about their day, American citizens shopping at
the local swap meet, which out here in La r

(16:10):
swap meets or where you get some of the best food. Yeah,
I'm the best merchandise, right, and there's ice all over
the swap meat and stopping random people who look illegal.
I don't know what you guys consider looking illegal but
look illegal, and then actually go up to them and
ask them where were you born? Where were you born?
What hospital were you born in? What city were you
born in? One man got nervous because he was adopted,

(16:32):
and he was like, I don't know, but I'm American citizen,
but I don't know where you know, I don't actually
know what hospital I was born in. These are questions
just to throw them off, to get get them to
feel an intimidation. That's what's happening, is an intimidation. So
if it was easy, everybody would do it. Trust me,
everybody wants to be an American citizen. Is not easy.
It's time consuming, The process is hard and keeps changing,

(16:55):
and it takes a lot of money and or an attorney.
That's why people don't do it the legal way.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Well, I think it's intentionally complicated, because what we've now
heard and learned that if you're rich and or white,
it's actually quite simple. It's just intentionally complicated for everyone else.
So they can check a box and decide that you
don't fit, so we're going to get rid of you.
It's a very very interesting thing to watch play out
in real time and let them determine who's legal or

(17:25):
criminal based on how they look. The first time I
heard that, I exclaimed, and people told me I was
being fearmongered too, and friends of mine gas lit me
because every fear I had from my family became real
on election day, because we knew this was happening. This
was not some shock or some surprise that they did,

(17:46):
you know, as some covert mission. The man campaigned on
this idea. We've heard people, strangely enough, say that due
process should be reserved for citizens, not criminal immigrants. What
would you say to people who adopt that position. Forgive

(18:08):
me for laughing, but it's to hide anger and frustration
that I do.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
So, yes, no, thank you for that every human being
deserves due process, every human.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Being, and is guaranteed it, and is guaranteed it. Thank you. Yes.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
If you are standing in front of somebody and you're
witnessing what is happening to them, and this is actually
what's waking a lot of people up. Is when we
witness it and it's right in front of us, or
we're being shown video that we cannot turn away from
because there's ten people videoing the same thing, and then
you see it from ten different angles, you're starting to understand,
Oh crap.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
This is real.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
This is what's happening to people. People are being yanked,
people are being killed, right, democratic lawmakers are being killed. Actually,
what's happening. Every human being deserves to you process, every
human being, every mother, every father, all of us can

(19:08):
feel it in our hearts. And I think if more
people were opening their eyes to this is the truth
of what is really happening. Talk to someone who is
an immigrant, Talk to someone who knows someone who is
married to someone whose uncle is an immigrant, whose father
is an immigrant, hear their stories, because the more we

(19:28):
humanize this, the more people will start to realize, oh crap,
this is really happening. This is happening in our streets,
This is happening in my family, this is happening in
my neighborhood. And that's how we start to open people's
eyes and open people's hearts to the reality.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Also, let me tell you, I've heard of a lot
of businesses, privileged space, businesses, businesses in privileged spaces that
are no longer, no longer supporting Trump supporters. So if
you walk in with a MAGA hat, you're being asked
to leave.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
M good.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
This is starting to happen across the board. So yeah,
for that, people are getting it and people are speaking up.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah. I kind of did a deep dive into Nazi
Germany and the denazification of Germany in particular, and I
I really do feel like, at some point in the future,
because I now that I see how big it is
and how insidious it is and how kind of evil

(20:31):
it is and divisive, at some point this country is
going to have to have a deep, deep, deep purge
of trump Ism and Maga and so I and that
and a lot of people are going to have to
eat their words, and they got to come back down
black people streets and brown people streets. You know a

(20:53):
lot of people that turn their noses up so in
an event. You know, another thing that exists on the
far right, and it's like well documented that it tends
to exist on the far right more than it does
on the left. On the right than it does on
the left, especially, so on the far right is sort

(21:17):
of like conspiracy theory type of things, right, And these
are things that you know, people have to confront in
their workspaces, at home, around the dinner table with their
racist uncle or with their Trump supporting Graandmars or whatever
it is that they have to deal with these people
with conspiracies in their heads. So what would you say

(21:39):
to people who say, you know, immigration is a leftist
conspiracy to get more votes, get more bodies in the country,
so these illegal immigrants can come into the United States
and vote.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
What do you say to people that that's their truth? Yeah,
I say, let's talk about history. California, the United States
has always been full of immigrants. We are in a
country that is built on immigration always and always has been.
So there is no like New policy of we're going
to bring in more immigrants so that we have more

(22:14):
Democrats and then we get more votes. Right, we can
also look at the fact that just because you get
more immigrants doesn't mean you're going to necessarily get the vote,
because look at what happened with the Latino population. First
of all, the Latino population is very, very diverse. I
don't know if y' all know that. We're very diverse, right. Also,
South Americans are different. If you talk to Venezuelin or

(22:34):
a Colombian, they think slightly different. I'm from Guatemala. Most
people are like, oh, what part of Mexico is that in.
I'm like, it's another country. It's not in Mexico, it's
Central America. So a lot of people don't even know,
you know, what part of the world that's in. So
we're very diverse. There's lots of different opinions, there's lots
of different policies. Some of us come from countries that
have been taken over by dictators. Some of us come

(22:56):
from countries that experience civil war, like in them, there
was a civil war, very much funded by the United States,
by the way, but that's another topic. So we have
differing beliefs. We're not all a monolith. There's different cultural backgrounds,
even different ways in which we speak Spanish. Some of
us hate the term Hispanic, some of us love it.
Some of us use the term LATINX, some of us

(23:18):
hate it Latina. I mean, have so many different ways
right rasa, we don't even know what to call ourselves
as a unifying force. So because of this, the differentiation
in terms of how we see things, just because we're
going to be a country of immigrants doesn't mean we're
all going to vote in one particular way. This idea
that oh well, let's stop letting immigrants in, because if

(23:41):
they all come in, then we're just going to become
this democratic blue country I think is a bunch of bs.
People are coming from lots of different countries. We haven't
even talked about Asian population, which by the way, is
also being targeted by ICE. Vietnamese people, Cambodian people, parts
of Los Angeles that that have large immigration from East

(24:03):
Asia are being targeted. So ICE is showing up at
nail salons, ICE is showing up at hair salons like
places like that. So this is not just a Latino thing.
This is an immigrant challenge. But what I say to
them is, we've always been a country of immigrants. I
don't think you're going to stop immigration all of a sudden,
And you're not going to stop immigration because you're going
to realize eventually as a country that there are jobs

(24:25):
that Americans simply are not willing to do, and we're
going to start to experience the change in the economy.
And although Trump I think wants to bankrupt Los Angeles
and California, we pay a hell of a lot of
money into the federal government. We are the fourth largest
economy California, fourth largest economy.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
In the world.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
In the world, guys, look up the statistic. It blew
my mind. I was like, what California. Yep, the United
States is first, but we're right there. We're not that
far behind. For number four. You do not want to
bankrupt us, and this will not bankrupt us. We'll figure
it out. We will fight our way to the top,
and we will remember. We will, of course remember.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I want to say this before you jump in Q.
I want to make sure that I say that. Another
thing that I think is important for people to remember
is that you know people that come across the border
because they make it seem like it's an invasion, like
the borders wide open and they're just letting all these
voters in or whatever. First off, it's not an invasion.
That's a word that is sensationalized. But these people cannot vote.

(25:29):
You know, you can't just come across the border and
vote in the United States election. That doesn't work that way.
You know, citizens vote, you know, outside of that, you
don't vote. And for people to think that that's true again,
you are kind of in the conspiracy theory sort of
part of part of your timeline. And you know, we're

(25:51):
just here to remind you that that's just not a
real thing, SOQ go ahead.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
You know, prior to this most recent election, voter fraud
was a net zero almost never ever, our elections tend
to be very very secure, except this last one where
they rigged it. And the guy keeps saying on camera
and microphones that they rigged it over and over again
and nobody cares. But you know, we won't keep saying
he rigged it because you know, people might be listening,

(26:16):
and we don't want to give people the impression that
the election was rigged. You know that Donald Trump and
Elon Musk may have rigged the machines in the most
recent election. We don't want to give that impression to
people that they rigged the election, because you know, we
would never say such a thing on the radio.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
This has just been such an incredible experience and experiment
for all of us, and I know our time is
kind of windening down here. Any thoughts for people who
have kind of just lost hope and the things that
are supposed to protect us and the resilience that we're
supposed to have that there's a light at the end
of the tunnel, Like, if there was a where from here,

(27:02):
what direction would you point us in?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah? Where from here? Community? Unity? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah. We protect ourselves, we protect each other, and we
come together more unified than ever. Community is the medicine.
Community is the antidote to what we're experiencing right now.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, I uh, I'm not going to disagree with you
because one of the things that Q often tells me
whenever we end up in a new city supporting some
civil rights organization or you know, we're there to speak
or to do a live show or something like that,
is we get out of our studio where it's just

(27:45):
me and him, and we get around people who feel
the same way, so we know we're not alone. And
these people have great ideas and they help us with
our ideas and so forth, and that community really does
matter and it fortifies us and it helps us remain strong.
And so those are absolutely wise words and words that
we intend to live by. So with that in mind, uh,

(28:06):
we're going to leave it right here. Thank you very much,
Wendy for taking the time to hang out with us.
A real quick shout out. Your social media is your podcast,
your website.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
All that, Yes, thank you so much. You can find
me on Instagram at Wendyamara. My website is Wendyamara dot
com and you can find the podcast everywhere that you
listen to podcasts. It's called Yes Mohaed Build It.

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Speaker 2 (28:49):
I am qword on all social media as.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, and we're going to keep it going in until
next week. Y'all.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Peace,