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October 18, 2024 • 16 mins

Vanessa Tyler discusses the legacy of former Harlem Globetrotter, business man and community leader Carl Green. Vanessa covers the street naming tribute to this basketball pioneer and talks with his wife Judith Green about their incredible love story.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The modern day kings of the court. He tried to
put Lebron in a potform ma sheet blocked by James.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Finishes with the doll.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
My goodness, Curry Spence step back trying to draw another
fell and it goes in.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Haha, steph kay stand on the shoulders of yesterday's trailblazers.
What were those times like?

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Well?

Speaker 3 (00:22):
When he came up, there weren't any opportunities. It was
the Globetrotters because you couldn't play in the league.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
What you're about to experience is a full court press
of the pioneers of basketball, wrapped in a love story.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
We were loving all day long. We held hands while
we slept. I've done a mold of his hand. He
was a very special man. He had great integrity, and
they just don't come like it. They broke the mold
and I was fortunate, God bless me to have him
in my life.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Her love basketball pioneer Carl Green and the tribute he
just received brought out the legends of the game in Blackland,
and now as a brown person, he just feels so
invisible where we're from. Brothers and sisters, I welcome you
to this joyful day.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
And we celebrate freedom.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Where we are, I know someone's heard something.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
And where we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
We the people means all the people.

Speaker 6 (01:27):
The Black Information Network presents Blackland with your host Vanessa Tyler,
Eric Monreautard.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
There was a time back in the nineteen seventies when
the crowd would go wild over the moves of Earl
the Pearl Monroe. On this day in his hometown of Harlem,
New York, he was not under the unusually warm fall
day to talk about himself. This Hall of Famer was
here to honor his friend, Carl Green, a former member
of the Harlem Globe Trot.

Speaker 7 (02:00):
Call has been a good person for a long long time,
and you know he went to Mia Alma Model instance
alum for a while and we kind of like clutched
onto each other for you know, early on, and we've
been very good, you know friends. You know, you think
of us as pioneers, and pioneers weren't the ones who

(02:23):
really reaped the benefits of what it all got to be.
So you know, here we are now and you know
guys that reap it in benefits And it was just
one of those.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Things pioneers did, put in the work, endured the disrespect
and the blatant racism. What were those times like.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, when he came up, there weren't any opportunities. It
was the Globe Trotters because you couldn't play in the league.
They didn't have blacks in the league. So his whole
basketball career was built around the Globe Trotters. In the
Eastern League, they didn't allow black guys to play in

(02:59):
the league. It was a tough situation, but he weathered
it and came through to where he is today.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's Tom Hoover, former center for teams like the New
York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers, and more. In the nineteen sixties,
he also graced the court for teams in the American
Basketball Association like Denver Rockets, Houston Mavericks. We heard from
him at the top. Carl Green was also his friend.
And what does his legacy mean for the ballers today?

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Well, if they know the history, it helps. But the
problem is they don't really understand the history because when
you're making twenty five thirty million dollars a year, you
don't care anything about anybody else except myself. And as
you see in this world today, every kid is on
the phone so what do they know?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
They don't even read.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
You get the sense of a little bit of a
broken heart as I talk to these giants of black
men about the past, the present, the future.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Does it hurt it's life because man is different to
his own self.

Speaker 8 (04:01):
I'm not a happy camper today because it's a sad
day that we're missing a man. Okay, Carl Green, Floyd Lane,
Hilton White. Too many guys that meant to us, and
people always say, people, too many guys that mented us. Okay,
that are not here anymore. Who's taking up the slack?
Who's taking up the slack? Where are our black leaders

(04:24):
at now? Because they led us, Okay, they mentored us,
they advised us, and they gave us strength, They gave
us encouragement, they gave us confidence. Okay, we had loyalty,
even though calling from Harlem. Okay, he was a trotter
and his message was and I hear this from other

(04:44):
Globe trotters. Now they said Carl Green was serious about
his game.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
That's Nate tiny Archibald. And if you don't know, you
need to ask somebody. In nineteen ninety sixty, was considered
one of the fifty greatest players in NBA history.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
He didn't play with the Globe Trotters that do to entertainment.
He played with the Globe Trotters that wanted to beat
your behind and win games and stuff like that. So
he was always serious about his demeanor, serious about building
confidence and loyalty to anybody where he went. Okay, very
soft spoken, very didn't say a whole lot, but when
he did, you listened.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
See, there was something different about Carl. He was the
part of the team that didn't do much of the
antics the Globe Trotterers are known for. He could do them.
His approach was different, says his wife Judith Green.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
But Carl was the boiler and that's you know, that's
who he was. He could do some tricks now, but
he was a boiler. And I you know, to hear
them refer to as clowns because honestly, that NBA exists
because of them. In the beginning, the Globetrotters were the
first on the billing, and after the crowd would see

(05:58):
the Globe Trotters, they would leave. So they had to
switch it so that the Globetrotters were come at the
end and the NBA players paid, you know, before them
that was the only way they could get the crowd
to stay. And also, you know at that time there
was a quota system. Now so the best ball players
played for the Harlem Globe Trotters.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Carl Green died last year at the age of eighty nine,
and on this sunny day, those who knew and loved
him gathered in Harlem to honor him in one of
the best ways they knew.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
How only no Hollo.

Speaker 9 (06:34):
Shore a street renaming forevermore.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
The corner of one hundred and thirteenth Street in Saint
Nicholas Avenue in Harlem is now Carl C. Green Way.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
It wasn't easy, but this is helping with my grief.
This is part of it, and this is what I
worked on this whole year to help me get through it.
Because when they asked me how to call Howard, I
would want to be honoring Callege. Did I want to
have a repassed? And I was like, I don't want
to do anything like that. I'd like to honor call

(07:14):
in a way that he deserves to be honored. And
this I think is deserving and he'd be so proud
today to know that he's right there in front of
the building where he played ball.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
The tribute in front of where the Harlem Globe Trotter
legend New York City Hall of Famer grew up is
a lasting one.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
And to hopefully uplift this neighborhood to know that a
man who was labeled retarded went to school and wasn't educated, graduated,
went to college and went to be with the Harlem
Globe Chrotters. And I tell the glob Charter Organization that
he graduated from Harlem Goldchrotter University. He went around the world.

(07:59):
It taught him everything they never taught it in school.
And he was an ambassador of goodwill.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
That ambassadorship took him around the world during the nineteen fifties,
places like Europe, even behind the Iron Curtain during World
War Two. Sure they were playing basketball, but did so
much more for America and America that never returned the humanity.
Did he ever tell you about the early days, how
tough it was for African American athletes in those times.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Absolutely. He has a documentary that got an Emmy for
how the Harlem Glovechrotter's battled racism. He shares in that
documentary how hard it was, and you know they did
the They couldn't stay in the hotels, the eight Boloney
sandwiches on the bus. They pulled the shades down in

(08:48):
the restaurant if they were in there because they didn't
want anybody to see because they didn't know what would happen. So, yeah,
it was rough.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
But what was easy was her life with Carl Green.
They met where else but in Harlem.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Actually I met him when I was seventeen years old.
I was friends with his sister and a guy I
was dating. We were in jocks in Harlem and he
introduced me to Carl, and I remember thinking that day
as I shook his hand, this is a type of
man I should be with, Nice and calm, and many
many years later. I would have never thought fifty years

(09:24):
later we would be married and spend the rest of
those days with him. And he was very very happy
that I was too, So we were together for eleven years.
It wasn't long enough for me, but he was happy.
I have video of him saying how happy he was,
and we were very blessed, and we woke up grateful
every day we will. It's unbelievable how grateful you can

(09:48):
really be when you have somebody who really understands you
and treat you with respect and love. And it was
a love story. I would say to him, sometimes it's
up to have it is the honey moon over. The
honeymoon was never over. Wonderful man.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
He was a widower of father, grandfather, even great grandfather.
Decades later they united until the end.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
He was a man's man. He had, like I said,
he has swag.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Everyone recognized his impeccable style. He was a tailor working
in New York's garment district in between the low wages
earned with the Globetrotters.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
He was a humble man and he had integrity, so
he didn't think he was too good to go to work,
and he worked down there forever while he played basketball,
while he played in the Eastern League, while he played
with hallm Globetrotters. But one thing about that, Carl segue
that into other things. He segued that into tailoring. So

(10:47):
they did the tailing for Earl Monroe and Will Chamberlain.
He had real estate in Harlem with Will Chamberlain, who
also played with the Globetrotters, and then he also was
in real estate. He continued to reinvent himself that retarded
man who is the smartest man I ever knew.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Because he had done poorly in school, there was this
concern there was something wrong. But he was a champion
on the court and off.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
But fifty five years he served as chairman of the
board of our Children's Foundation, and to the day he died,
he was a chairman of the board. So this was
a foundation that allowed the kids to come in every
day after school. There was no charge. They took him
on trips all over to the colleges.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's why the crowd came out to honor Carl Green.
Daryl Walker was in New York area high school standout.
He always heard about the lore of Carl Green. What
does it mean for you to see this honor for Carl?

Speaker 10 (11:53):
It's overdue. He did a lot for the community. His
wings spread. He touched a lot of individuals that have
gone on to do great things, and it's just great
that we could all come together and honor him and

(12:16):
his family today.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Same thing for Charles Smith, a Hall of Famer and
former Globetrotter, now chairman of the National Retired Players Association.
His mission making sure we never forget.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
We have to continue to celebrate and get their flowers
because a lot of times they went through things that
we never went through.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
But many of them are now are much older gentlemen,
and mister Monroe, you know on a walker, I mean.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Everybody, yes, you know up there, they're way up there,
and sometimes they're forgotten. They without their sacrifice, the guys
are not making the money they making the day. They
don't have the opportunities to have the day just thinking
go through discrimination, had to go through a lot and

(13:04):
still play the game. They weren't getting paid as much
money as people are getting paid today. It just shows
the love of the game.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Smush Parker, who bawled for the Detroit Pistons, LA Lakers
and Clippers as well as the Miami Heat, agrees.

Speaker 11 (13:20):
His legacy is here, not just in you know, the
life that he had, but the life that he touched.
Everybody who's here now was touched by him and his legacy,
and we are his legacy now. They set the foundation,
They were the pioneers for guys like myself to come
up behind them and and stand on what they what
they laid down, and I can you know, build and

(13:43):
the future after me get built on top of what
I was able to lay down.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Albert King, who transitioned from the game to owner of
fast food franchises, may have left the game behind from
his days with teams such as the Nets the Philadelphia
seventy six ers. Sending to o'neo Spurs, says he and
his brother Hall of Famer Bernard King, have nothing but
respect for these guys.

Speaker 12 (14:06):
Even myself and a lot of younger players, I think
we can't appreciate that because they had a lot of struggles,
as you was mentioning in his era, as far as
you didn't even go to the bathroom with whites. You
have to go to different restaurants and whatever else, staying
in different hotels when he was growing up. So I
think that's something that we don't appreciate, we don't understand.

(14:27):
But I think that we're reaping the benefits. Even the
younger players now, they're reaping the benefits of what the
older players that went through.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Sam Worthen, who played for the Bulls and coach of
Washington Generals, says, this is a day to celebrate them all.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
This is great for Harlem, New York City in itself.
It means so much because he was a very positive
man and always pointed people in the right direction. It's
just great. It's a great turnout and everything and well deserving.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Eric Jones, a former member of the Globe Trotters, honors
the past while keeping his eye on the ball for
the future.

Speaker 13 (15:00):
I think this means everything right, because when you go
on and you have this body at work, you just
hope that your legacy lives on and people continue on
with that mission he had, and that's the responsibility of
people like myself and the many people that you see
out here talk.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
About your history year legacy.

Speaker 13 (15:20):
Well, I'm fortunate enough to have been playing professionally for
twenty six years for the Globe Trotters and the Harlem Wizards.
I'm in a position now where I'm the vice president
and general manager of the Harlem Wizards. So now in
part of that wisdom that I've gained to the younger
players and being able to have them take the path
let's travel, and you know, being able to see them

(15:42):
flourish and take the organization to a different level.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Call just was a great man, and the fruit of
your label will always come back full circle. His integrity,
his ability to want the best for other people. That's
what we all should be striving for and that man
represented that.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
So he is part of Harlem history, American history, African
American history, and international history. The ancient Egyptians believe that
you died twice, one time when your heart stopped, and
the second time when no one says your name. I'm
making sure that Carl will live forever. Every time they

(16:25):
look up at that side, he will always remain alive.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm Vanessa Tyler. Join me next time on Blackland. I'd
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