December 27, 2024 • 25 mins
As 2024 draws to a close, we look back on some of the memorable moments from the last 12 months of Black Tech Green Money!
This week's compilation features wisdom from C David Moody, Monique Idlett, Erica Duignan Minnihan, and Udonis Haslem.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Speaks to the planet Charlamagne to God here and as
we come close the closing out this year, I just
want to say thank you for tuning it into the
Black Effect Podcast Network. There have been so many great
moments over the past year. Take a listen to some
of those captivating moments in this special best of episode.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So this episode, I'm talking to C. David Moody Junior,
the president. You're CEO of CD Moody Construction, one of
the largest black honed construction companies in the nation. This
was such a pleasure to do. His career spans over
three decades. He's built iconic projects that you know for sure,
like the Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Maynard AH Jackson
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International Concourse, at the Atlanta Airport, Hartsfield Jackson Airport, Turner Field,
they worked on, Phillips Serena, they worked on like all
the stuff that's iconic. He probably had his head in
it and he's been doing it while navigating the complexities
of the construction industry. So it's such a pleasure to
talk to you. And I want to start this off
(01:01):
with talking about the differences in like hand to hand
sales and like doing big business like you're doing today.
What is the difference between winning a customer and winning
a contract?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Realistically, to me, they're the same because it's about relationships.
It's about people trusting you. People believe in that you
can deliver the product that they want. So to me,
whether it's a small or big, you know, project or
winning a customer, the dollar size doesn't matter because to
that person, whatever dollar them out they're spending is a
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lot to them. But it's really about trust. It's really
about relationships and trust.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To that end, And I was reading your story like
you started with a team of three people, you know,
doing concrete foundations in underground in Atlanta. And you know,
I think about when I read that part of your story,
you know, for sending black owned businesses still today just
about have employees. Ninety six percent of our businesses have
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little or no employees, Like nobody's on the payroll. So entrepreneurs,
so proprietors and et cetera. How did you figure out
how to scale? How did you figure out how to
go from three people to sixty plus people?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know, that's that's almost like a trick question.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And the reason I say that, you got to think
about When I started my business, I was thirty one
years old. I'm sixty eight now. I had no idea.
You know, sometime you start businesses and get into things
cause you're just so naive.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
If I if I knew all that I know now,
back then, I don't know if i'd have did it.
I didn't realize the wear and tear of making payroll,
the responsibility of other people. You know, you eat what
you kill, so you're constantly on the hunt. I'm glad
I was naive because if I knew the wear and
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tear and what it took, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Have done it. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
No, I probably wouldn't have. Could have been too scary.
It just it would have been too overwhelming and too scary.
And then once you're in, I had to feed my family,
so I couldn't quit. But there are many times I
wanted to quit because it's it takes a lot, it
really does.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm living that life right now. And what's so
interesting is I learned this one principle that I hold
dear two now, I wish I would have learned it earlier.
And I'm going to ask your thoughts on this is
if I would have learned to reinvest the money earlier,
I would have been much better off. And so when
because I wasn't taught business growing up, you know, you
make you invest ten dollars and you get back twenty.
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Now you go spend that extra ten when you could
have put that money back in and made the thing bigger.
And so the thing I learned was about reinvesting the profits.
What lessons have you learned about growth about business growth
that might have helped you along the way.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know, I was kind of I was fortunate even
though my dad was not a business person. He was
a professor and then vice provos at the University of Michigan.
My dad grew up, you know, in the Depression, and
you know, things were tight, and grew up very poor
in Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
He always taught me to save.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He said, I don't care if you saved, but ten dollars.
So when I started my business, which we started under capitalized,
like all of us pretty much do, Whenever I made
a few dollars, I was scared to spend it. I
did reinvest it and made sure I could take care
of my family. So my dad also taught me always
lived beneath my means. So that way, if you run
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into tough times, your life style doesn't really have to change.
So since I've been in business, I've lived beneath you know,
we've lived beneath our means. We've always tried to make
sure we save and starting a business broke and very
little capital. You're to me, I was always scared to
go broke. So I was a little different. You got
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remember I started in the eighties. You know, I'm sixty
eight years old. Life was a little different. There was
no social media or no internet and stuff. So a
lot of the flash you see today we didn't see. Yeah,
you know, you might see the Avenue or Jet magazine, but.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That was about it.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So we really I just always had the rainy day
mentality as far as saving and especially being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
To that point, do you think that what we're being
sold on social media actually hurts us and harms us
in our journey of entrepreneurship.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think social media has its great benefits, but I
also think if you believe everything you see, it can't
hurt you because you think you should be at a
certain point. I'll give you a good example when I went.
You know, I'm a graduate of Moorhouse College at Howard University,
and I went back for my tenure reunit Morehouse, and
I was thirty two. Of my business had just started,
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and so a lot of my classmates who have been
out ten years. I finished med school, law school, NBA's,
you know, all kind of these professional jobs. So they
were pretty they were kind of into their career and
starting to get you know, accumulate stuff and wealth. And
I was really kind of embarrassed inside because of my reunion.
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I was just starting, you know, my wife and didn't
know how we're going to pay the house noe each month.
I mean, we were struggling, and I felt I almost
felt like, damn I failed.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But by the twentieth reunion, it was a different ball game.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So that's why you got to be so careful kind
of keeping up with, you know, other people and just
run your own race.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, it seems like most impossible to do these days,
because you know, and it's not even just the people
that we see driving the nicest cars and et cetera.
But like social media is the highlight reel. So you know,
even if it's like hey, I get this, I get
to have lunch with my wife at you know, you
know lunchtime, actually other people at work that we're chasing
these things that we may not be have earned yet
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one or just haven't been free enough yet. So even
the things that aren't the big flashy cars or the watches,
how do we stay focused when it's even those simple
things that we feel like we should have just as
a right.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
For me, It's all about who you are.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Like I said, I'm very fortunate my wife and now
will be married forty two years.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Congratulations eras.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And we just.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
We've always lived a very simple life, you know my wife.
Yes we got nice things, don't get me wrong. But
the thing that really helped me, and I always tell
people just to really help me struggle through the tough
times in business, I didn't have a lifestyle. I had
to feed for my wife and myself to be happy.
My wife was happy with, you know, going to get
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a pizza. She's still happy with just go and get
a pizza. So on am I. So when you don't
have a lifestyle to feed, it makes life much easier
in trying to build a business or just in general,
just try and build a career, build a career, but
the other thing that's very important too is that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You got to protect your piece.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, trying to have all these things to do,
all these things while you're trying to build it can
upset your peace. And as I get older now my
piece is so important to me, I really protect my piece.
And I'm fortunate enough with a wife that when i
go home ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
it's going to be peace at home. And then usually
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the only.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Time is not because I didn't do something I was
supposed to do, you know, but that piece is so important.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Rain Ventures is an early stage investment firm that focuses
on women and minority led startups, investing at the seed
in series, a stage in promising technology and tech enable
startups with high potential founders. Moniquide lets the founder and
managing partner. Erica Diagono Mineon is founder and general partner.
Monique is a globally recognized entertainment pioneer. Prior to founding
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rain Venture Capital, she served as CEO the Mosly Brands
and Mostly Music group, home to a multi platinum roster
of artists, including iconic producer Timberland, One Republic Nellie Furtado,
and others. She brings over two decades of unprecedented success
as a CEO working in entertainment, marketing, press and entrepreneurship.
Eric has been an active investor and advised it to
early stage companies for over fifteen years. Before launching Rain,
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she was founding partner of one Thousand Angels, managing director
at Dream Adventures, and executive director at both Star Angel
Network and Golden Seeds. Before she began a career in venture,
she practiced investment. He got City Group, Credit, Sweet and
Cantor Fitz jailed. So beginning with you heremoniue, like, you know,
when we're growing up, you know, we have these ideas
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of what we're going to do when we become big adults.
You know, and I imagine you did not imagine that
you would be an investor, you know, as a child.
Like what what in your career started to open up
this the awareness of the opportunity of investing and what
got you interested in it?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I mean, I think it was it was like a
lot of things, I think, just my journey in general,
not coming from a finance background. But then, you know,
being an entrepreneur, you're so focused on what you love doing,
that I don't know that the proper education ever went
into to feed me personally on what does this look like?
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What does this look like investing? What does this look like,
you know, from a legacy perspective and not so much
like just only understanding the work that I did or
the work that my family did. And I think that
I started getting curious. And it just so happened that
when my curiosity was being piqued, I met Erica. I
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was a part of an executive MBA program and they
brought her in to teach alternative investing. And it kind
of just to be honest, it was frustrating to me
to be the CEO and co founder of a successful
company but never really have too many financial options. And
also we're doing all the work, but what was what
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was our model based on? And how much ownership did
we really have of, you know, from equity and equality
perspective of the work that we were doing. And so
I just started asking a lot of these questions and
I couldn't get the answers from a lot of people,
and Erica really took the time to start talking to
me about things.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So Erica, I wanted to pass this to you also
because you know, in reading your story, you know you
were incredibly academically intelligent. You know, you had that academic chops.
You know, I think you graduated from high school at sixteen,
so you wanted to go into the medical field for
a little while and found yourself in finance.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Oh my goodness, do you know that That's the first
time I ever like see, even almost thirteen years later,
I just learned something new about her. I did not
graduated at sixteen.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, well really, yes, yes, yeah again. I was thinking
about a quote I heard from you, Monique in a
previous interview where you said, you know, fundraising is not fun.
A lot of people don't realize investors have to fundraise
just like founders have to fundrais you.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Know, it's interesting, Will I was. I personally was actually
really surprised that first of all, most you know how
deeply I'm in the founder community, you know, how honest
they all speak to me and transparent, and like one
of the biggest things was the offense of the no
and oh you know, they took me through this process
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and it is still a no. And one of the
things that we implement it at rain Ventures is like
this onboarding process where there's like a two hour session
that we do with the entire team. It's mandatory like
all of their teammates, and it's like what does it
mean to be a venture back company? And a few
of the slides I really do deal with like the
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fact that we're we actually fundraise to then deploy capital
to the selected companies. Just like we're asking you all
questions and we're getting updates and we're talking to you
about the business, we actually have an accountability to our investors.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, there's the traditional like Okay Karta, but it's not
very you know, unlikely for us to hear from LPs
who contact us directly and on the spot. They want
a deep dive and you know, it's our obligation to
do that for them. And so trying to get this
for me and rain Ventures, and what Eric and I
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decided is that it isn't important not just to do
the the deployment, but also to educate the founders and
the teams on what type of accountability, What type of
portfolio are you even sitting in? Who what other you know,
who are your colleagues in the Rain Ventures portfolio? What
do they look like? What does this concept look like
and then here's the follow on capital that has come.
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Can you all meet that standard? And these are tough
conversations sometimes.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You Donna's Haslam is a three time NBA Champion, Miami
Heat Legend, and NBA TV analysts. He's now teaming up
with Wells Fargo and the Rebuilding Together organization to make
a lasting impact in the community by providing critical home
repairs and safety modifications for families in need. He Donas
is a businessman, philanthropicks, an advocate for underserved communities, and
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this partnership furthers his efforts uplift and inspire the next
generation in his hometown of Miami, Florida. As a businessman,
you know sometimes often every relationship you get to as
a business person, you've got to vet to make sure
that this aligns with the things that are important to you. So,
when you think about doing things with underserved communities, what
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speaks to you with regards to the initiatives you get
involved with.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I think for me, you know, having a connection to
the people in those communities, you know, never separating myself,
never walking around with with security where people feel like
they can't approach me. I'm always in the communities. I'm
always in the hood, I'm always in the cities, and
I continue to listen to the people. You know, if
you want to walk up to me and have a
conversation with me, I'm all ears. I'm welcoming people with
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open arms, you know. So I feel like that's always
been the best way to being able to impact your
communities is really listen directly to what the people are
saying they need and what they're dealing with. Oftentimes, the
media can pick and choose what they want to bring
to us, you know, the news can pick and choose
what they want to tell you about. But if you
go in these communities and you spend time with these
people and you just are there, you know, you'll get
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the just of it, and you'll get the real and
you'll understand really what they're dealing with every day.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
That was the reason why you know, the Don Tasm
Foundation immediately got into, you know, the housing situation where
we were understanding the huge gap of Okay, you need
about one hundred and ten thousand to live comfortably in
South Florida, but on average, people only making sixty to
seventy Okay, that's about a forty fifty thousand dollars gap
where how can people live comfortably? Now we're talking about
getting into the fight and we have to affordable housing projects.
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Now you look around and you see Wells Fargo, the
Bank of Doing, and you understand, you know, what their
initiative is, what their goals are. And then you say, okay,
well maybe we can collaborate, you know, maybe we can
do this together.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know one thing I know about, you know, building a.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Championship team and a championship roster, is it takes a
collaboration of people with the same like mindset and with
the same goals. I think Wells Fargo had that goal.
The Donasasm Foundation had that goal. Wells Fargo the Bank
of Doing. Your Donasasm has been a doer his whole life,
his whole career. Has never been scared to get his
hands dirty. They've never been scared to get out there
and get in the mud. And when I wake up
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this morning and when I put up Toms Mabelhouse, I
see people who are usually sitting in the office behind
the air conditioned working at tailors, and now they're there.
They're they're they're playing crop, they're lifting you know, microwaves,
they're lifting ovens, they're lifting stoves, they're putting grills outside,
and I know everybody's saying, okay, it's about one of
time we barbecue on Christmas down here in Miami. We
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could put a grill out anytime. That's one of the
places we can do this anywhere. So we talk about that. Man,
it was just you know, it was just a matchmate
in heaven. I was thankful to be the person that
you know wells Fargo reached out to and chose to
be a part of this because you know, it's everything
I represent. You know, I've made sure that throughout my
twenty year career. Although I've represented the Miami I've also
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represented the commut the community, and the people of Miami.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
So when you think about the myriad of opportunities you
could have done, like you could you could put your
name on a lot of you know, social issues, social
you know efforts. Why was housing so important to you? Why?
What's what spoke to you about the housing initiative?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Because it's not what I need, it's what the people need,
you know, And I think that's what people need. I think,
you know, there's so many different situations that people are
being challenged with the underserved communities.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But when you go in your.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
House, we understand what's going on outside your house. But
when you go in your house, you should feel safe,
you should feel comfortable, you should be happy, you should
be confident in that space, you should be fulfilled. That
should be a mental recharge place, and that's where you
can go and just be proud of everything and all
the work that you put into every single day. And
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a lot of times it's hard to feel like that
when you don't see those results. It's hard to feel
like that when you walk into your home and you
don't feel safe. It's hard to feel like that when
you walk into you know, your yard and your gates
torn down. It's hard to feel like that when you
walk in your backyard and you know it's grass and
stuff everywhere, and you don't have a grid of barbecue,
or you don't have a garden where you can just
walk out there and on a sunny day and just
sit out by your guard and read the paper.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
You don't have those things.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I think if you can have those things and you
can implement those things and every day life, every day
life gets a little better for you.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Every day, things get a little easier for you.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
And now you're talking about having a little bit of
situation where you can be comfortable and you can be
proud of the place you call home. We just want
these people to be proud of the place they call home.
You want these people safe in the place they call home.
You want these people to be comfortable in these places
they call home. And I think everybody deserves that when you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Think about I mean so, actually, right now, the top
story on afrotech dot com is a story about you.
So it's talking about how you stayed on the Miami Heat,
you know, based on your efforts as a leader and
even Lebron and Chris Bosh and Dwayne you know, making
the room and so making sure that somebody with your
leadership and experience was still in the locker room. And
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it's a quote I found from you where you said,
when you look at all these undrafted guys, these guys
who were on their way out of the league, and
people didn't believe in them, and people didn't give them
the opportunity, the Heat culture saved them. That's why I
came back, because I watched the culture save so many
like it saved me. When you think about that heat culture,
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you see undrafted players, people who were overlooked as sometimes
they don't always take these opportunities. Seriously, what is it
you saw as somebody who was on the tail end
of his career as your ability to galvanize those folks
behind a culture and a mission to be able to
go out there and create championship opportunities.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I mean, I got to get credit to those guys.
You know, when those guys walk in that locker room
and you can see the sense of desperation, I relate.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I relate to walking in the locker.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Room of fifty people and they only keeping one guy,
and you got to be that one guy that they keep.
I can relate. I can relate to not having a
backup plan. I can relate to, you know, having your
back against the wall, you know, and coming in every day,
you know, feeling like your life is on the line
and like your career depends on it. So I'm relatable
to all these guys, just like I'm relatable to Miss Maple.
You know, Miss Mable was on fifty third and my
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auntie stay on one to eighty third. You know what
I'm saying, which is thirty streets over, you know what
I mean. I literally showed up to Miss Mable's house
about forty minutes early, and I went around the corner
and stayed at my Auntie's house and came back in
Miss maplesse So I'm relatable to these people, you.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Know what I mean. I'm really relatable.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
And I know that I've been blessed to play the
game of basketball if I had a tremendous amount of success.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But I'm really relatable to these people.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
And you know when I talk about you know, Lebron
James and Dwayne Wade, and you know, being a part
of that process. That's one thing I was able to
understand is that even though we were friends, you know,
you respect people for who they are and what they are,
you know what I mean. And you know, Lebron Dwayne,
they already respected me for who I was and what
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I was. They were Southeast guys. I was a Miami guy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
They were on the.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Other side of the bridge. I was on my side
of the bridge, you know what I mean. So for me,
I never tried to be something I wasn't. I always
stayed in my lane, and my lane always brought me
back to the people, you know what I mean. And
when you talk about why you don't leave to go
for more money, and why you don't even have the
opportunity to play somewhere else, and when your career was
getting towards the ending, you weren't getting as much playing
time as you might have wanted, it's because of the
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people of Miami. Man, I've never got in love. I've
never been more protected. I've never been more accepted than
I am in this city of Miami by these people.
When you talk about twenty years in the NBA and
so much sustens I ain't never have no security. You
ain't never seen me get robbed nowhere. You never see
me get in no trouble nowhere out here. You know,
these people take care of me.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Man.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
So it's my job, it's my duty with my free time,
to commit to taking care of these people and giving
back to them that so much that they've given to me.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I want to talk more about that. You know,
you are today vice president of basketball Development at Miami
and so you got a lot of leadership in your
background on court and off the court, and I want
to talk about the off the court leadership. How do
you transfer the things that you've learned on the court
to be able to be effective off the court.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Man, I'll tell you one thing about heat culture.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
And it's real because it can apply in all expects
of life. The discipline that it takes to be a
part of heat culture to come in and have your
body for under ten percent every year, discipline that it
takes to push yourself to get that extra one percent
out of yourself every day.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You know, the way we are proach the game. You know,
I think.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Everything that I've learned and he coachedes been what I've
applied in the business.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
In the business space.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I think when you retire from basketball, you don't lose
your ambition, you don't lose your drive.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
You just got to find somewhere else to apply it.
You just got to find somewhere else to put it.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
So being in that one percent of people that are
obsessed with winning, being in that one percent of people
that will do whatever it takes to get the job done,
Being in that one percent of people that willing to
sacrifice the things that they need to sacrifice for the
betterment of the team. You know, we talk about enjoying
other people's success with the might need. That's one thing
that's non negotiable. You have to be able to enjoy
other people's success. But how many times do you see
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people sit at home and they watch somebody achieve something.
They said that should have been me. Why didn't that
happen for me? That's never been a part of who
I am. That's never been a part of my DNA. Man,
My thing is, if he did that, how can I
figure out how to apply that in my lifestyle?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
How can I figure out how to achieve that here
in Miami?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
For my people, that's been always to go to learn
from the people that are doing it before you, to
learn from the Magic, to learn from the Wayne, to
learn from Shack.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
You know, having these relationship with.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
These guys, I'd be a fool just to take basketball
stuff from you guys. I have to take life lessons
from these guys. I have to take business lessons from
these guys. The conversations that I have now with Shaquille
O'Neil Dwayne Wade were far different than the conversations we
had fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You know, too many people in our communities lean on
rely on predatory services, check cashing places, payday loans, you know,
places like that, and so, you know, which is super problematic.
So how important is it for bangs like Wells Fargo,
lenders like Wells Fargo to be involved in these neighborhoods
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and in these communities.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I mean, it's so important because.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
We understand that financial literacy kind of skipped over people sometimes.
You know, for the most part, you know, financial literacy
has not been taught. And then you talk about teaching
people financial literacy, but people that don't have money or
didn't comfort money, you know what I'm saying. So I
think for Wells Fargo being you know, not only you know,
hands on with this and you know, putting their money
where their mouths is and committing one point too, you know,
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seventy five different homes, you know, forty six communities, but
not also you're building a relationship. And I think what
for us in our community, It's always been hard for
us to trust people, you know what I'm saying. So
when you come in and you make an impact in
the community, immediately the people of the community started to
trust you. And now they started to listen to you,
and now you start to build that relationship so on
and so forth. So I think it was Fargo coming
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in and being a part of this process and taking
the lead on this initiative. I think they started to
build a relationship with the people now. I think that
people started to trust well, was Fargo. So the messages
that was farg preaching the people are going to listen
now because of the trust and the relationship that they
built with these people, because they're actually doing things in
the community and not.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Talking about it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
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Speaks to the planet Charlamagne to God here and as
we come close the closing out this year, I just
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So this episode, I'm talking to C. David Moody Junior,
the president. You're CEO of CD Moody Construction, one of
the largest black honed construction companies in the nation. This
was such a pleasure to do. His career spans over
three decades. He's built iconic projects that you know for sure,
like the Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Maynard AH Jackson
(00:40):
International Concourse, at the Atlanta Airport, Hartsfield Jackson Airport, Turner Field,
they worked on, Phillips Serena, they worked on like all
the stuff that's iconic. He probably had his head in
it and he's been doing it while navigating the complexities
of the construction industry. So it's such a pleasure to
talk to you. And I want to start this off
(01:01):
with talking about the differences in like hand to hand
sales and like doing big business like you're doing today.
What is the difference between winning a customer and winning
a contract?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Realistically, to me, they're the same because it's about relationships.
It's about people trusting you. People believe in that you
can deliver the product that they want. So to me,
whether it's a small or big, you know, project or
winning a customer, the dollar size doesn't matter because to
that person, whatever dollar them out they're spending is a
(01:36):
lot to them. But it's really about trust. It's really
about relationships and trust.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To that end, And I was reading your story like
you started with a team of three people, you know,
doing concrete foundations in underground in Atlanta. And you know,
I think about when I read that part of your story,
you know, for sending black owned businesses still today just
about have employees. Ninety six percent of our businesses have
(02:08):
little or no employees, Like nobody's on the payroll. So entrepreneurs,
so proprietors and et cetera. How did you figure out
how to scale? How did you figure out how to
go from three people to sixty plus people?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
You know, that's that's almost like a trick question.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And the reason I say that, you got to think
about When I started my business, I was thirty one
years old. I'm sixty eight now. I had no idea.
You know, sometime you start businesses and get into things
cause you're just so naive.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
If I if I knew all that I know now,
back then, I don't know if i'd have did it.
I didn't realize the wear and tear of making payroll,
the responsibility of other people. You know, you eat what
you kill, so you're constantly on the hunt. I'm glad
I was naive because if I knew the wear and
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tear and what it took, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Have done it. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
No, I probably wouldn't have. Could have been too scary.
It just it would have been too overwhelming and too scary.
And then once you're in, I had to feed my family,
so I couldn't quit. But there are many times I
wanted to quit because it's it takes a lot, it
really does.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm living that life right now. And what's so
interesting is I learned this one principle that I hold
dear two now, I wish I would have learned it earlier.
And I'm going to ask your thoughts on this is
if I would have learned to reinvest the money earlier,
I would have been much better off. And so when
because I wasn't taught business growing up, you know, you
make you invest ten dollars and you get back twenty.
(03:50):
Now you go spend that extra ten when you could
have put that money back in and made the thing bigger.
And so the thing I learned was about reinvesting the profits.
What lessons have you learned about growth about business growth
that might have helped you along the way.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You know, I was kind of I was fortunate even
though my dad was not a business person. He was
a professor and then vice provos at the University of Michigan.
My dad grew up, you know, in the Depression, and
you know, things were tight, and grew up very poor
in Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
He always taught me to save.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
He said, I don't care if you saved, but ten dollars.
So when I started my business, which we started under capitalized,
like all of us pretty much do, Whenever I made
a few dollars, I was scared to spend it. I
did reinvest it and made sure I could take care
of my family. So my dad also taught me always
lived beneath my means. So that way, if you run
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into tough times, your life style doesn't really have to change.
So since I've been in business, I've lived beneath you know,
we've lived beneath our means. We've always tried to make
sure we save and starting a business broke and very
little capital. You're to me, I was always scared to
go broke. So I was a little different. You got
(05:09):
remember I started in the eighties. You know, I'm sixty
eight years old. Life was a little different. There was
no social media or no internet and stuff. So a
lot of the flash you see today we didn't see. Yeah,
you know, you might see the Avenue or Jet magazine, but.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That was about it.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So we really I just always had the rainy day
mentality as far as saving and especially being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
To that point, do you think that what we're being
sold on social media actually hurts us and harms us
in our journey of entrepreneurship.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think social media has its great benefits, but I
also think if you believe everything you see, it can't
hurt you because you think you should be at a
certain point. I'll give you a good example when I went.
You know, I'm a graduate of Moorhouse College at Howard University,
and I went back for my tenure reunit Morehouse, and
I was thirty two. Of my business had just started,
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and so a lot of my classmates who have been
out ten years. I finished med school, law school, NBA's,
you know, all kind of these professional jobs. So they
were pretty they were kind of into their career and
starting to get you know, accumulate stuff and wealth. And
I was really kind of embarrassed inside because of my reunion.
(06:29):
I was just starting, you know, my wife and didn't
know how we're going to pay the house noe each month.
I mean, we were struggling, and I felt I almost
felt like, damn I failed.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
But by the twentieth reunion, it was a different ball game.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So that's why you got to be so careful kind
of keeping up with, you know, other people and just
run your own race.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, it seems like most impossible to do these days,
because you know, and it's not even just the people
that we see driving the nicest cars and et cetera.
But like social media is the highlight reel. So you know,
even if it's like hey, I get this, I get
to have lunch with my wife at you know, you
know lunchtime, actually other people at work that we're chasing
these things that we may not be have earned yet
(07:21):
one or just haven't been free enough yet. So even
the things that aren't the big flashy cars or the watches,
how do we stay focused when it's even those simple
things that we feel like we should have just as
a right.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
For me, It's all about who you are.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Like I said, I'm very fortunate my wife and now
will be married forty two years.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Congratulations eras.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And we just.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
We've always lived a very simple life, you know my wife.
Yes we got nice things, don't get me wrong. But
the thing that really helped me, and I always tell
people just to really help me struggle through the tough
times in business, I didn't have a lifestyle. I had
to feed for my wife and myself to be happy.
My wife was happy with, you know, going to get
(08:09):
a pizza. She's still happy with just go and get
a pizza. So on am I. So when you don't
have a lifestyle to feed, it makes life much easier
in trying to build a business or just in general,
just try and build a career, build a career, but
the other thing that's very important too is that.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You got to protect your piece.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
You know, trying to have all these things to do,
all these things while you're trying to build it can
upset your peace. And as I get older now my
piece is so important to me, I really protect my piece.
And I'm fortunate enough with a wife that when i
go home ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
it's going to be peace at home. And then usually
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the only.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Time is not because I didn't do something I was
supposed to do, you know, but that piece is so important.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Rain Ventures is an early stage investment firm that focuses
on women and minority led startups, investing at the seed
in series, a stage in promising technology and tech enable
startups with high potential founders. Moniquide lets the founder and
managing partner. Erica Diagono Mineon is founder and general partner.
Monique is a globally recognized entertainment pioneer. Prior to founding
(09:26):
rain Venture Capital, she served as CEO the Mosly Brands
and Mostly Music group, home to a multi platinum roster
of artists, including iconic producer Timberland, One Republic Nellie Furtado,
and others. She brings over two decades of unprecedented success
as a CEO working in entertainment, marketing, press and entrepreneurship.
Eric has been an active investor and advised it to
early stage companies for over fifteen years. Before launching Rain,
(09:49):
she was founding partner of one Thousand Angels, managing director
at Dream Adventures, and executive director at both Star Angel
Network and Golden Seeds. Before she began a career in venture,
she practiced investment. He got City Group, Credit, Sweet and
Cantor Fitz jailed. So beginning with you heremoniue, like, you know,
when we're growing up, you know, we have these ideas
(10:10):
of what we're going to do when we become big adults.
You know, and I imagine you did not imagine that
you would be an investor, you know, as a child.
Like what what in your career started to open up
this the awareness of the opportunity of investing and what
got you interested in it?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
I mean, I think it was it was like a
lot of things, I think, just my journey in general,
not coming from a finance background. But then, you know,
being an entrepreneur, you're so focused on what you love doing,
that I don't know that the proper education ever went
into to feed me personally on what does this look like?
(10:54):
What does this look like investing? What does this look like,
you know, from a legacy perspective and not so much
like just only understanding the work that I did or
the work that my family did. And I think that
I started getting curious. And it just so happened that
when my curiosity was being piqued, I met Erica. I
(11:16):
was a part of an executive MBA program and they
brought her in to teach alternative investing. And it kind
of just to be honest, it was frustrating to me
to be the CEO and co founder of a successful
company but never really have too many financial options. And
also we're doing all the work, but what was what
(11:39):
was our model based on? And how much ownership did
we really have of, you know, from equity and equality
perspective of the work that we were doing. And so
I just started asking a lot of these questions and
I couldn't get the answers from a lot of people,
and Erica really took the time to start talking to
me about things.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So Erica, I wanted to pass this to you also
because you know, in reading your story, you know you
were incredibly academically intelligent. You know, you had that academic chops.
You know, I think you graduated from high school at sixteen,
so you wanted to go into the medical field for
a little while and found yourself in finance.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Oh my goodness, do you know that That's the first
time I ever like see, even almost thirteen years later,
I just learned something new about her. I did not
graduated at sixteen.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, well really, yes, yes, yeah again. I was thinking
about a quote I heard from you, Monique in a
previous interview where you said, you know, fundraising is not fun.
A lot of people don't realize investors have to fundraise
just like founders have to fundrais you.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
Know, it's interesting, Will I was. I personally was actually
really surprised that first of all, most you know how
deeply I'm in the founder community, you know, how honest
they all speak to me and transparent, and like one
of the biggest things was the offense of the no
and oh you know, they took me through this process
(12:59):
and it is still a no. And one of the
things that we implement it at rain Ventures is like
this onboarding process where there's like a two hour session
that we do with the entire team. It's mandatory like
all of their teammates, and it's like what does it
mean to be a venture back company? And a few
of the slides I really do deal with like the
(13:20):
fact that we're we actually fundraise to then deploy capital
to the selected companies. Just like we're asking you all
questions and we're getting updates and we're talking to you
about the business, we actually have an accountability to our investors.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Yeah, there's the traditional like Okay Karta, but it's not
very you know, unlikely for us to hear from LPs
who contact us directly and on the spot. They want
a deep dive and you know, it's our obligation to
do that for them. And so trying to get this
for me and rain Ventures, and what Eric and I
(13:58):
decided is that it isn't important not just to do
the the deployment, but also to educate the founders and
the teams on what type of accountability, What type of
portfolio are you even sitting in? Who what other you know,
who are your colleagues in the Rain Ventures portfolio? What
do they look like? What does this concept look like
and then here's the follow on capital that has come.
(14:20):
Can you all meet that standard? And these are tough
conversations sometimes.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
You Donna's Haslam is a three time NBA Champion, Miami
Heat Legend, and NBA TV analysts. He's now teaming up
with Wells Fargo and the Rebuilding Together organization to make
a lasting impact in the community by providing critical home
repairs and safety modifications for families in need. He Donas
is a businessman, philanthropicks, an advocate for underserved communities, and
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this partnership furthers his efforts uplift and inspire the next
generation in his hometown of Miami, Florida. As a businessman,
you know sometimes often every relationship you get to as
a business person, you've got to vet to make sure
that this aligns with the things that are important to you. So,
when you think about doing things with underserved communities, what
(15:10):
speaks to you with regards to the initiatives you get
involved with.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
I think for me, you know, having a connection to
the people in those communities, you know, never separating myself,
never walking around with with security where people feel like
they can't approach me. I'm always in the communities. I'm
always in the hood, I'm always in the cities, and
I continue to listen to the people. You know, if
you want to walk up to me and have a
conversation with me, I'm all ears. I'm welcoming people with
(15:33):
open arms, you know. So I feel like that's always
been the best way to being able to impact your
communities is really listen directly to what the people are
saying they need and what they're dealing with. Oftentimes, the
media can pick and choose what they want to bring
to us, you know, the news can pick and choose
what they want to tell you about. But if you
go in these communities and you spend time with these
people and you just are there, you know, you'll get
(15:55):
the just of it, and you'll get the real and
you'll understand really what they're dealing with every day.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
You know.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
That was the reason why you know, the Don Tasm
Foundation immediately got into, you know, the housing situation where
we were understanding the huge gap of Okay, you need
about one hundred and ten thousand to live comfortably in
South Florida, but on average, people only making sixty to
seventy Okay, that's about a forty fifty thousand dollars gap
where how can people live comfortably? Now we're talking about
getting into the fight and we have to affordable housing projects.
(16:22):
Now you look around and you see Wells Fargo, the
Bank of Doing, and you understand, you know, what their
initiative is, what their goals are. And then you say, okay,
well maybe we can collaborate, you know, maybe we can
do this together.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know one thing I know about, you know, building a.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Championship team and a championship roster, is it takes a
collaboration of people with the same like mindset and with
the same goals. I think Wells Fargo had that goal.
The Donasasm Foundation had that goal. Wells Fargo the Bank
of Doing. Your Donasasm has been a doer his whole life,
his whole career. Has never been scared to get his
hands dirty. They've never been scared to get out there
and get in the mud. And when I wake up
(16:56):
this morning and when I put up Toms Mabelhouse, I
see people who are usually sitting in the office behind
the air conditioned working at tailors, and now they're there.
They're they're they're playing crop, they're lifting you know, microwaves,
they're lifting ovens, they're lifting stoves, they're putting grills outside,
and I know everybody's saying, okay, it's about one of
time we barbecue on Christmas down here in Miami. We
(17:17):
could put a grill out anytime. That's one of the
places we can do this anywhere. So we talk about that. Man,
it was just you know, it was just a matchmate
in heaven. I was thankful to be the person that
you know wells Fargo reached out to and chose to
be a part of this because you know, it's everything
I represent. You know, I've made sure that throughout my
twenty year career. Although I've represented the Miami I've also
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represented the commut the community, and the people of Miami.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
So when you think about the myriad of opportunities you
could have done, like you could you could put your
name on a lot of you know, social issues, social
you know efforts. Why was housing so important to you? Why?
What's what spoke to you about the housing initiative?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Because it's not what I need, it's what the people need,
you know, And I think that's what people need. I think,
you know, there's so many different situations that people are
being challenged with the underserved communities.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
But when you go in your.
Speaker 6 (18:08):
House, we understand what's going on outside your house. But
when you go in your house, you should feel safe,
you should feel comfortable, you should be happy, you should
be confident in that space, you should be fulfilled. That
should be a mental recharge place, and that's where you
can go and just be proud of everything and all
the work that you put into every single day. And
(18:30):
a lot of times it's hard to feel like that
when you don't see those results. It's hard to feel
like that when you walk into your home and you
don't feel safe. It's hard to feel like that when
you walk into you know, your yard and your gates
torn down. It's hard to feel like that when you
walk in your backyard and you know it's grass and
stuff everywhere, and you don't have a grid of barbecue,
or you don't have a garden where you can just
walk out there and on a sunny day and just
sit out by your guard and read the paper.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
You don't have those things.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I think if you can have those things and you
can implement those things and every day life, every day
life gets a little better for you.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Every day, things get a little easier for you.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
And now you're talking about having a little bit of
situation where you can be comfortable and you can be
proud of the place you call home. We just want
these people to be proud of the place they call home.
You want these people safe in the place they call home.
You want these people to be comfortable in these places
they call home. And I think everybody deserves that when you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Think about I mean so, actually, right now, the top
story on afrotech dot com is a story about you.
So it's talking about how you stayed on the Miami Heat,
you know, based on your efforts as a leader and
even Lebron and Chris Bosh and Dwayne you know, making
the room and so making sure that somebody with your
leadership and experience was still in the locker room. And
(19:39):
it's a quote I found from you where you said,
when you look at all these undrafted guys, these guys
who were on their way out of the league, and
people didn't believe in them, and people didn't give them
the opportunity, the Heat culture saved them. That's why I
came back, because I watched the culture save so many
like it saved me. When you think about that heat culture,
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you see undrafted players, people who were overlooked as sometimes
they don't always take these opportunities. Seriously, what is it
you saw as somebody who was on the tail end
of his career as your ability to galvanize those folks
behind a culture and a mission to be able to
go out there and create championship opportunities.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
I mean, I got to get credit to those guys.
You know, when those guys walk in that locker room
and you can see the sense of desperation, I relate.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I relate to walking in the locker.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
Room of fifty people and they only keeping one guy,
and you got to be that one guy that they keep.
I can relate. I can relate to not having a
backup plan. I can relate to, you know, having your
back against the wall, you know, and coming in every day,
you know, feeling like your life is on the line
and like your career depends on it. So I'm relatable
to all these guys, just like I'm relatable to Miss Maple.
You know, Miss Mable was on fifty third and my
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auntie stay on one to eighty third. You know what
I'm saying, which is thirty streets over, you know what
I mean. I literally showed up to Miss Mable's house
about forty minutes early, and I went around the corner
and stayed at my Auntie's house and came back in
Miss maplesse So I'm relatable to these people, you.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Know what I mean. I'm really relatable.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
And I know that I've been blessed to play the
game of basketball if I had a tremendous amount of success.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
But I'm really relatable to these people.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
And you know when I talk about you know, Lebron
James and Dwayne Wade, and you know, being a part
of that process. That's one thing I was able to
understand is that even though we were friends, you know,
you respect people for who they are and what they are,
you know what I mean. And you know, Lebron Dwayne,
they already respected me for who I was and what
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I was. They were Southeast guys. I was a Miami guy,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
They were on the.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
Other side of the bridge. I was on my side
of the bridge, you know what I mean. So for me,
I never tried to be something I wasn't. I always
stayed in my lane, and my lane always brought me
back to the people, you know what I mean. And
when you talk about why you don't leave to go
for more money, and why you don't even have the
opportunity to play somewhere else, and when your career was
getting towards the ending, you weren't getting as much playing
time as you might have wanted, it's because of the
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people of Miami. Man, I've never got in love. I've
never been more protected. I've never been more accepted than
I am in this city of Miami by these people.
When you talk about twenty years in the NBA and
so much sustens I ain't never have no security. You
ain't never seen me get robbed nowhere. You never see
me get in no trouble nowhere out here. You know,
these people take care of me.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Man.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
So it's my job, it's my duty with my free time,
to commit to taking care of these people and giving
back to them that so much that they've given to me.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, I want to talk more about that. You know,
you are today vice president of basketball Development at Miami
and so you got a lot of leadership in your
background on court and off the court, and I want
to talk about the off the court leadership. How do
you transfer the things that you've learned on the court
to be able to be effective off the court.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Man, I'll tell you one thing about heat culture.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
And it's real because it can apply in all expects
of life. The discipline that it takes to be a
part of heat culture to come in and have your
body for under ten percent every year, discipline that it
takes to push yourself to get that extra one percent
out of yourself every day.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You know, the way we are proach the game. You know,
I think.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Everything that I've learned and he coachedes been what I've
applied in the business.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
In the business space.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
I think when you retire from basketball, you don't lose
your ambition, you don't lose your drive.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
You just got to find somewhere else to apply it.
You just got to find somewhere else to put it.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
So being in that one percent of people that are
obsessed with winning, being in that one percent of people
that will do whatever it takes to get the job done,
Being in that one percent of people that willing to
sacrifice the things that they need to sacrifice for the
betterment of the team. You know, we talk about enjoying
other people's success with the might need. That's one thing
that's non negotiable. You have to be able to enjoy
other people's success. But how many times do you see
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people sit at home and they watch somebody achieve something.
They said that should have been me. Why didn't that
happen for me? That's never been a part of who
I am. That's never been a part of my DNA. Man,
My thing is, if he did that, how can I
figure out how to apply that in my lifestyle?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
How can I figure out how to achieve that here
in Miami?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
For my people, that's been always to go to learn
from the people that are doing it before you, to
learn from the Magic, to learn from the Wayne, to
learn from Shack.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
You know, having these relationship with.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
These guys, I'd be a fool just to take basketball
stuff from you guys. I have to take life lessons
from these guys. I have to take business lessons from
these guys. The conversations that I have now with Shaquille
O'Neil Dwayne Wade were far different than the conversations we
had fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
You know, too many people in our communities lean on
rely on predatory services, check cashing places, payday loans, you know,
places like that, and so, you know, which is super problematic.
So how important is it for bangs like Wells Fargo,
lenders like Wells Fargo to be involved in these neighborhoods
(24:34):
and in these communities.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I mean, it's so important because.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
We understand that financial literacy kind of skipped over people sometimes.
You know, for the most part, you know, financial literacy
has not been taught. And then you talk about teaching
people financial literacy, but people that don't have money or
didn't comfort money, you know what I'm saying. So I
think for Wells Fargo being you know, not only you know,
hands on with this and you know, putting their money
where their mouths is and committing one point too, you know,
(25:00):
seventy five different homes, you know, forty six communities, but
not also you're building a relationship. And I think what
for us in our community, It's always been hard for
us to trust people, you know what I'm saying. So
when you come in and you make an impact in
the community, immediately the people of the community started to
trust you. And now they started to listen to you,
and now you start to build that relationship so on
and so forth. So I think it was Fargo coming
(25:21):
in and being a part of this process and taking
the lead on this initiative. I think they started to
build a relationship with the people now. I think that
people started to trust well, was Fargo. So the messages
that was farg preaching the people are going to listen
now because of the trust and the relationship that they
built with these people, because they're actually doing things in
the community and not.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Talking about it.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Once again, thank you for tuning into the Black Podcast Network.
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