December 12, 2025 • 45 mins
This week Hannah and Matt review some of the highs and lows of 2025, what to be on the lookout for in 2026 and how exactly Cardi B fits somewhere in this.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Hannah Elliott and
I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is hot Pursuit coming up on today.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
No wait, what on today? That we understand you, Matt,
just lean into it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We will take a look back at the highs and
lows of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What brands busted through and who missed the mark.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We got to drive so many cars in twenty twenty five.
We'll talk about the ones we loved and the ones
that fell short. Will we talk about the ones that
fell short? Are we going?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Honestly, the worst thing I like doing with cars that
fall short is I just don't talk about them at all.
I banished them to non existence, right because I don't
want to think negative thoughts, which probably isn't great because
I'm a car critic.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But I also think, and this is, you know, this
is a point that I make a lot. Even the
ones that fall short are usually fantastic because we drive
pretty expensive cars, like they're mostly more than fifty thousand
dollars a piece, so more than the average cost, and
they're brand new and hopefully they've been prepared, expect and
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prepared perfectly. So even the ones that kind of suck,
don't suck.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, Look, it's not like it's a Saturn or a
Pontiac or something you know from the eighties or ninth like. No,
of course, everything new now is million miles in advance
of what we were driving decades ago. They're safer, they're
slightly more efficient, you know, they fit and finish is better. Yes,
this is all relative, and we are very spoiled. We're
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aware of that. Yeah, but we can still nitpick.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
For sure, and we will. I will. I just haven't
really thought about what has fallen short and there are
some experiences that I've had. For example, I was arriving
what was it. I think it was either a GMC
Yukon or a Chevy Tahoe, you know, one of those
big GM trucks that I love so much. But it
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was on like twenty fours and so if you look
at it wrong, you get a flat tire. And then
I had to change the tire myself, which normally I
pride myself on doing that quickly and well, and it
took me like an hour and a half with my
five year old daughter.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So did you talk about that on this podcast? Matt.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure, but I've had you know,
I've had a number of occasions this.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Year the battery story where you ran out of charge.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, well, a number of occasions this year where no
these giant wheels, so twenty two's are twenty fours. And
you know we're in America, so obviously the infrastructure is horrendous, right,
It's not like we're in Spain, where the roads are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Where things are perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So when you get that kind of wheel and like
low pro tires, it's just they all pop. So I've
had a number of occasions where I burst tires on
New York commutes.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Let me ask you this, When that happens, do you
tell the press guys, the fleet managers? But you did
actually try to make a valiant effort to change it yourself.
You didn't just call them and say help, come get me.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
First person I call is my boy Eric. No, I
do not call Pierre. Why not because Pierre gets super
pissed off. So you know, Pierre will be like, do
you know that that wheel costs like more than your paycheck?
Whereas Eric is like, bring it to the dealer, will
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So Pierre'll slap you with a Scarf.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He's a pretty serious dude.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I love it. I love it. It gets so wound up.
It's the best.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, no, I I call those guys straight away. And
but yeah, I have a real problem with wheels and
jen beyond just the size of wheels and the profile
of tires. I'm always curbing wheels.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Like, let me ask you, this, are wheels your new
sound system? Because you know, I feel like for a
while you went through this phase where you kind of
hated every sound system, but now it sounds like maybe
you hate every wheel.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, no, what's I think what's happened is, for one thing,
the wheels are getting more and more difficult to deal
with because they're so big and they're not at all recessed,
and even on like off roady vehicles or on trucks,
it's a cinch to curb them and then feel horrible
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about yourself for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I know, it's yeah, I know, I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Give me Steely's, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That's that's why with this recent Audi RS six wagon
that we had, I literally was parking that two feet
away from the curb. I don't even care me too.
I mean, I was terrified with those because they stick
out so far.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
In fact, I would say on so, the Audi RS
is obviously one of the greatest vehicles I've driven this year,
definitely a high. The wheels as beautiful as they are,
as expensive as they look, I would instantly change them
out if I own.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That car, because you'd be too stressed about them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, because I need to take a taxi from my
parking spot to the sidewalk. You know, I'm so afraid
of scratching them, but since it was an Audi, I didn't.
I only scratch wheels on Aston, Martin's and Mercedes, which
are you know, also Hella expensive and make me feel
super guilty. Yeah, no, I would. I wouldn't say they're
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my new stereo, but I'm paying much more attention to them,
and car stereos just never seem to impress too much.
I'm waiting for this Dolby Atmos revolution.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know what I think I might this might take
us into our next segment. Yeah, but I am loving
the sound system and the thing that I'm driving this week,
and maybe we can tease it and we can talk
about it later. But even today I was thinking, what
sound system is this? I'm hearing things I haven't heard
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before and songs that I've listened to for years.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
All right, let's just put a pin in that, because
I do want to come back in the next great
segment talk about it. But I want to hear some
of your lows, because it's not all just about wheels
and tires, Like, what are the things that have disappointed
you in the cars you've driven this year?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, I feel a little bit bad about saying this,
but I am hard pressed to find a low, really,
because as you said, many of the cars that we
drive are so exceptional, and it really is a challenge
to pick out to really be nitpicky and pick things
that you didn't like. But I will say a big
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miss for me was the key fob on the Cadillac Celestic.
And I know, oh, I've spoken about this before, but
just as a refresher, this is the car that Cadillacs
spent years developing. It kind of looks like a very
long while. If you want to say it's a three
hundred thousand dollars wagon, I won't fight you on it.
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And this is the car they said that was going
to go up against or is supposed to go up
against Rolls Royce. It's an electric vehicle. It does it
can look cool and some colors in some lights. I
don't really have equibble with the car itself, but because
we're being so nitpicky, the key fob that they gave
me for that was a plastic square that I couldn't
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believe it because they had spent because when I drove
the car that I spent three hours getting an earful
about every minute detail that they developed and tooled and
you know, made in house, and they worked with all
of these European designers and all of this special stuff
to make the car so signature and so refined and
all this stuff, and then they hand me this plastic
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keyfob and it was such a disconnect for such an
important thing because of all of this big car, the
one thing that I'm actually touching, holding in my hand,
carrying with me, looking at, showing other people to brag
is the key fob. So that was really a big
miss for me, unfortunately. And I did ask if they're
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developing anything new to go along with it, and they
said they're going to develop an app that can unlock
the car, and maybe there will be something else in
the future.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But not a new keyfob because I thought, I mean,
I thought they were going to develop a more premium,
higher end right.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So I drove the car in April. At the time
of my review, they said they were quote unquote working
on it. Now. In fairness, I should really reach out
to them and say, hey, how's that new keyfob coming,
But at the time they told me, you know, they
will have an app developed that can unlock the car
so you don't have to worry about a keypop at all.
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And then you know, potentially later on down the.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Road, I will say, I don't mind the leather. It's
got like a little leather carrying case, huh. And also
you've got great.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Hands, thanks because I used my mom for that.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm looking back at your story the Celastic and you're
there's a picture of you holding the key fob, which
was really cool, like poison green nail polish, and it's
at least they put it in a sleeve, and I
think that's what they probably they were like, we have
to make this better, and someone.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what, I think, I think the sleeve made
it worse because it made it even more bulky, and
the stitching on the sleeve is remind me of stitching
on like a baseball glove, which again is not the look.
So as a woman, I'm thinking I might just like
slip it into the pocket of like some slim pants
or a suit or whatever, and it ruins the line
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of my jacket or my pants anyway, and the sleeve
makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, I will say that my biggest key problem this
year was the Rivian R one s Oh yeah, and
they only gave me a little card like the size
of a credit card, which would be fine in your
slim line pants.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Uh flimline pants.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I couldn't like lock and unlock the car.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
With that, and since they're like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It made me feel like a total total idiot. And
to be fair, since then, I've gotten so much email
from Rivian, you know, owners and drivers who are like, hey,
come over here, I'll teach you how to use that.
You know, like there is a way to do it,
But I don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Taught how to unlock a car. That's the other thing.
It makes me remember that scene in Zoolander when they're
like banging on the computer like monkeys and trying to
figure out they're trying to get the files that are
in the computer. That is literally how I feel when
I'm trying to break into these cars using a credit
card that you have to hold a certain way, but
it can't be wet, but you can't be you know,
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it can't be certain things, and yeah, like I'm just
trying to get in my car. You need to get
to work, man.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I had frankly had that feeling with a lot of
aspects of the Ribban, where it's like, this thing is awesome,
but you know what's.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Really bad the neighbor that the neighbor that I don't
like drives a Ribban.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Do you have that in your life where there's somebody
that you don't like in the car they drive. It
kind of ruins the car that they drive because you're like.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh, I I really like almost everyone I know.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You do. That's such a great thing, and everyone feels it.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
There are not many people.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm I'm more what do I want to say, choosie?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Discerning? No? I mean no, because it is really lovely
that you genuinely do like everyone and most people feel
that you like them. I'm a little more.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What's the word, I think discerning is the right word,
by the way. I also to get back to our
initial discussion about things we like and things we don't.
There were so many things I loved this year that
I didn't think I was going to so me too.
Top of my list is the Aston Martin Vanquish. Now, yes,
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I knew it was going to be amazing, but I
feel like Aston Martin finally got so many things right
that people have been complaining about for a while. And
that is a supercar. I don't know if it's worth
the six hundred thousand dollars that's priced at, but if
you have that kind of money and you're looking for
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some exclusivity, you know, and everybody in your neighborhood has Ferraris,
it makes sense to me. And it was just they
nailed it on design, They nailed it on the power beautiful. Yes,
everything inside felt you know. The screens. While I wouldn't
have chosen screens myself, they weren't horrible. You know, everything
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worked better than expected, including the like who cares about
car player and an Aston Martin Vanquish you care about
the twelve cylinder motor But it does have the best
car play I've ever used. So yeah, that's that's one
of the things that really positively surprised me this year.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I love that. That's a really good point. And they
have made so much. They really have improved their interior.
I remember back in the day it really was like
objectively not competitive, and now it's really so much better,
and we always say like we really want aston to
continue to improve and it's so beautiful. And there was something, Oh,
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I was going to ask you, So you're saying that
you would get that over a Ferrari potentially just to
be a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, to be clear, and now that we know each
other so well, you I'm sure are aware that I
would prefer to have a Ferrari like a three h
eight yes or but for new or a six twelve
yes for a new thing. I haven't driven the Ferrari
Roma or the Amalfi or.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Drive that this weekend.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh you're so lucky.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'll come back and tell you all about it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But I love the shapes. I love the design of those,
and I'm no longer butt hurt about the turbous of
Ferrari engines at the low end.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What's the Italian word for butt hurt? I am translation here.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, I think like there is an argument to be
made for the Aston Martin over Ferrari. However, I have
very little experience with Ferrari's and I've driven a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Of asteris I predict that'll change. That's maybe that's one
of our goals for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sakes, I I also want to say so, I was
thinking about what I've driven this year and what surprised me.
When the Chevy Blazer SS e V showed up in
my driveway, I thought, well, here's what I'm not gonna
drive this week, you know. And you know, when you
get a press car that you from the bat, from
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the get go, you realize you're not gonna move it
and they're gonna come back a week later and pick
up something as zero miles added. But then I did
start to drive it, and I think from the outside
it still remains more unimpressive than the Honda Prologue, but
the driving experience really impressed me. It's it felt like
an autobon cruiser. It's heavy, but it feels like it
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has like so much power and presence and stability, and
it's electric but it automatically like told me where the
fast charging stations are and essentially did it for me.
It took twelve minutes to fill the whole thing up.
And that's one of the things like I tell somebody
that like at cocktail parties, and it's a conversation stopper
because on the one hand they're surprised, and on the
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other hand, they don't really feel like talking to me
about cars anymore because they think I'm.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's just clue, That's how I'm feeling right now. No,
just kidding. I only say that because I haven't driven it,
and but I know what it looks like, and so
my reaction is the exact same as you, which is like,
how can this we get?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
It's just super comfyed, its super powerful, and I feel
like GM has killed it with EV's like the I
don't know the chemistry and the Ultium platform, but they
have so much range, they have so much power. I
had such a great time in the for example, Sierra GMC,
Sierra v EVU so luxurious.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Mary Barra, come talk to us, yes, because I do
think as twenty twenty six unfolds, we are going to
see now all of these choices that automakers have made
play out in real time. And we're going to start
to see the consequences of some of these choices. For instance,
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Ford made a very different choice about EV's than General
Motors yep Son. It's gonna start to play out, which
I think will be really interesting, And it would be
great to hear from Mary because I don't think she's
gonna be at GM forever and this might be, you know,
what she's set up to unfold in twenty twenty six
and beyond might be her legacy.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, for sure. By the way, you say you don't
think she's gonna be a GMCA forever, because where do
you think she's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
She's not going to live for I think she'll retire
eventually once this. I think she's very goal oriented. Admittedly
my exposure to her has been limited, but just following
the industry, I think she's very goal oriented. And once
the task of basically establishing GM in this new world
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of evs is done, or at least in a safe place,
that to me would be a natural exit for her
to retire and time with her family exactly, And that
would be a really strong legacy to leave to leave.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I wonder if she'll be pulled into government because.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh that'd be interesting, Yeah, really interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Because she's been so successful there on so many levels,
and she's obviously an incredibly talented leader, and that doesn't
just it doesn't have to be limited just to corporate
back to cars. What has impressed you this year? Like,
what has anything positively surprised you? And I know you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'm gonna write a column about that, but I also
have a column going live on Monday that we can
talk about after the break about the brands that did
really well this year, and there's one in particular that
was a huge standout.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
All Right, that's all ahead on Hot Pursuit. That's coming
up next. That's after this. It's next. Stay with us,
stick with us. We're back in two. All right. Now,
let's talk about while we teased Hannah, your column that's
coming out on Monday. I'm excited to hear about the
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brands that you think surprised this year or that will
surprise in twenty twenty six. What's the story.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Well, this may not be a surprise to someone. We've
already touched on it a little bit, but the real
shining star of twenty twenty six is Ferrari And again like,
I don't think this will be a huge surprise, but
to maintain such big profit margins, to have order books
full until twenty twenty seven, to basically just have the
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average price of its new vehicles like three and four
times the average price of everybody else in the luxury
segment just puts every other of its luxury rivals to shame.
And yes, it's been a hard year for everyone, including Ferrari.
They have readjusted targets, especially with electrification, which I actually
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think is probably smart. But still at the end of
the day, Ferrari has come out of twenty twenty five
looking really good. And I also think that's because they're
less exposed in China. Like we know Porsche in particular
got really hit in China with the EV thing. Ferrari
sells like ten percent of its vehicles in China, so
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it's not really exposed there as much as other luxury brands.
So my crown jewel of twenty twenty five, and this
is not really a surprise to any of our analysts,
is Ferrari.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
That's interesting. I also had a chance this year to
talk to Benedetto Vina, the CEO Ferrari, and I sensed
a willingness though he wasn't spilling the beans, I sensed
a willingness in him to go back to a manual
transmission to three pedals.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He sensed it. Yes, he got this vibe.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
He was implying that they you know that they they
can do that in their sort of top end like
one off models. And we've seen other companies asked and
Martin for example, do that for their you know, million
dollar hypercars. But it seemed also he was asking me,
you know what I would do, and you know I
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want the take rate to be high, so I would.
I think you have to plan it yet to be
strategic about it, but I think there's a lot more
room for manual transmissions in the really expensive cars, right.
I'll never forget what the Bentley CEO told us a
couple of weeks ago, Frank Frank Wallacer Frank Stephen Walsher
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about the take rate for the GT three, for the
manual transmission in the GT three because they had been
selling you know, basse carreras or maybe gts is where
the take rate on the manual was only twenty percent
or less. The engineers bet him that it wouldn't be
beat that yeah, GT three and he was like, oh,
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it'll definitely be better than twenty. It turned out to
be seventy percent and eat that. Yeah. The lesson is, though,
as you climb up the price scale, you know, you
you weed out people who are like daily drivers or
you know, like us, and you get these like real
enthusiasts with money to back it up. And of course
they're gonna pick a manual transmission because this is a
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car that's going to go in their museum like gargantuan
garage and maybe be driven two or three times a year.
Why would they want a PDK. They're not tracking it,
or at least that's how I read it. So yeah,
Ferrari a Ferrari has just crushed it. And it was
weird to see the stock crater this year after the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, it hasn't been a good It hasn't been like
a perfect year for them, admittedly, but it hasn't been
for anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I thought you were going to talk about Audi because.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, nowaday's one of my ones to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, yeah, because that.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Is in the story, but it's a one to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, because it just seems like Audi is starting to
I think They've not done poorly. I've never driven an
Audi where I thought this is lame.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, no, of course, but sometimes I've driven them and
thought I wish there was a little bit more. I
wish there was something grabbing my stomach, a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A little bit more Audi and less Volkswagen.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yes, and yes, it looks like they have it in
them too. I was just going to say, like, this
company has been around racing to racing success for one
hundred years. Let's not forget Tom Christiansen winning an Audi's
you know at Laman. The heritage is there. Of course,
we saw the concept, see that they debuted in September
and Milan that is I think. I think it looked cool.
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I think it's a good indicator of where they're going
to go. And let's not forget they're joining Formula one
in the screen, which is going to be a huge
shot of adrenaline for them, both just from a technology
but also marketing standpoint, a glamour standpoint. I think you're
totally right about that, Matt. I'm really looking forward to
seeing what they do.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I like, can't wait to watch Formula one pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I know, who are you watching Cadillac. Are you watching Audi?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Like, yeah, who are you gonna?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We're curious about Audi Cadillac.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The competition is just getting so much more intense in
terms of brands that touch me personally on a regular basis. Yes, yes,
I just want to see how how it all works out.
And I hope somehow Liberty Media figures out a way
to inject more excitement into this. I mean, this season
turned out to be pretty exciting at the end, but
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the individual races need to have more passing, you know,
And I don't know how how they do that. But
what are the other takeaways from your story? If you I.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Will, Let's talk about Let's talk about one company that
really struggled, and again this is not going to be
a surprise, but we should talk about it, which is Porscha. Yeah,
and you know, I would say it to be kicked
off of Germany's stock index. They're there, They're blue chip
index is a huge like loss of face for them,
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and that is an indicator of everything else that has
been going on for Porsia. And obviously Porsche looks to
me the worst because it was at the heights, it
was so hyped up.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The most profitable automaker in the world.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yes, yes, And when it was kicked off of this
German stock index, the shares had fallen over thirty percent
from the previous year. It has said that it will
barely even make a profit in twenty twenty five. So
that's unbelievable only because Portia has been so dominant, and
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because the nine to eleven is still I think the
Pinnacle sports car for the money, I still think it
is by far the Swiss army knife. If you have,
you can't beat it in terms of every of the
value and everything it gives and how it drives. It's very,
very very close to perfect. So it's just wild to
see this incredible product that we all know and drive
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often and then see the company struggle. Also, let's not
forget their ce d Oliver Bloomer, you know, was doing
a double duty role at BW and Porsche for far
two time. Yeah, and I think that was our strain.
I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well. For one thing, we have a fantastic story on
Bloomber dot Common on the Bloomberg terminal about the Porsche
PSH family and how they have kind of borrowed themselves
into a corner to some extent. But this is a
clan that is while they're storied for everything we love,
they also have made just really bad business decisions over
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the last twenty five years. Right, a failed attempt at
Porsche taking over Folkswagen resulted in Folkswagen swallowing up Porsche.
And you know when they when the family was austing
Ferdinand Pish, who Folkswagen everything we love. I mean, this
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is the hero that bought and brought back Bugatti. This
is the guy who got himself Dukati for his birthday,
Like he built this incredible state.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
One of us.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, he's one of us, and they and they and
it's enforcing him out. Had to take massive loans to
buy his you know, one zero point three billion dollar steak,
And now they're having to decide whether or not they
pay dividends over what's right for the operational business, or
at least that's something the analysts are questioning. So this
all led me to wonder whether things like the lack
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of a handbrake, which went away in the nine to
nine seven, or things like the lack of real gauges
which went away in the nine to nine to two
you know, things like electronic steering instead of hydraulic, Like,
are these technological advancements or are they cost cutting mechanisms?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm sorry there is yes.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, I'm starting to think there's just they it's it's
it's amazing at a car that starts at one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars before options. But I'm starting to
think they just can't afford to put real gauges in
because nobody would prefer screens right on a nine to eleven.
You want the beautiful gauges that for which the car
was famous and that they're trying to like digitally imitate, Like,
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why not give us the real thing? I don't want
a fake version of that, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I think it's possible that the powers that be at
Porsia misjudged the consumer a little bit and thought they
wouldn't be bothered by all of those very they're all
very small, minor changes, but they do add up to
a bigger thing. I think, Yeah, maybe there was a
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little bit of a misjudge of the depth of devotion
on some of the buyers to that analog.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Feel well, let's hope some of it comes back, because
you know, it's safe to say it's the brand that
we talk about more than any other. You think, yes, yeah,
I think car enthusiasts in general probably talk about the
nine to eleven more than any model, including the Miyata.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I have to disagree. I think I think I think
people in Ferrari circles or Lamborghini circles or Pegani circles
would say, well, we talk about our favorite car.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
For sure. But I'm just saying, like, if you put
all car enthusiasts together, right, if you stack up roadent
track and car and driver for the past fifty years,
I think you're gonna see nine to eleven as the
most mentioned. Well that it's probably I can dig through
the day. I can use AI just figure that out.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, please use your chat GBT. If that's the case,
then that is still another testament to how good that
car is and how shocking it is that Porsia has fallen.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
By the way, can I just say, to go back
to what we were talking about previously. One of the
big surprises for me this year also was the Taikon,
which you'd already driven I think in previous years, yes,
and I had not. It blew me away in a
really positive sense. And now when I drive by them
on the street, I'm looking, you know, and uh, you know,
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I may start to pull them up in car Gurus
or auto Trader just to shop to see if they've
had some depreciation, because it'll set.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
A baby seat in the back fast.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, but again, it's not going to come with three pedals,
and it's all like Cassio screens instead of No.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
But I'm okay with I'm actually okay with that. I
think it's the right tool for the job. You know.
It's all about you can have different tools in your
tool what tool belt?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right, Yes, for sure, I just wish I could have
a lot of different tools.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And I just didn't buy bitcoin early enough.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
You know, what's that thing that Barry always says, like,
you should have the money that you've spent on an
Apple computer back in the day. You should have invested
with Apple.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yes exactly, instead of buying an iPhone thousand dollars of
this stuff. Yes, which is for the most part true.
But then he would have said the same thing about
Porscha and and I'm glad I didn't buy those shares.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, story's not over yet, you know, a true champion
finds a way to come back. That's true, and I
think we would all be happy if Portia really showed
its champion stripes here. So time will tell.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
All right, Well, we teased that you love the stereo
in the vehicle that you're currently driving, so we come back.
We will tell everyone what you're driving right now, and
who makes the stereos? Burmeister, this is hot pursuit, all right.
(31:46):
I'm just looking at I think it's I think it's Burmester.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But is that if you're living in Germany.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I don't know Bermester. Whatever, it's something that Burmester. Maybe
I'm hearing you say that that's who makes the stereo.
I can surmise that you are either talking about a Portia, which,
by the way, if you ever have to check between
that box and bows, please check Burmeister, or or Mercedes,
(32:15):
which uses these stereos a lot so which which is.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Ding ding stut car. It's Mercedes, yet another Mercedes. And
this is the basically kind of the four door version
of the car I had last week. This is the
Mercedes AMGS sixty three E Performance. It's the four door version.
Suggested retail price one hundred and eighty six thousand dollars.
(32:38):
This is like a big car. If you want a
big Mercedes that's got a big engine. It's got a
V eight seven hundred and ninety one horse power. This
is the one for you.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So but serious, Wait say those numbers again? The horsepower
and torque?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
What is four leader V eight by turbo seven and
ninety one horse power over a thousand pound feet of torque?
One thy fifty four pound feet of tark torque.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So it's crazy for the version of the g T
sixty three.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yes, and it actually has the same amount of torque
as that Tudor GT sixty AMGGT.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
A little lighter horsepower, but.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes, slightly, but who can tell the difference?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
No, who cares completely. It's it's a serious it's a
serious thing.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So it looks hybrid power train, right.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yep, hybrid. Yeah. All of those figures I just gave
our combined figures night speed transmission. This one doesn't come
with a stick, Matt, No, none of them.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I hate the color they make, the color of the
Why does the press color always so bad? What? What's
the car?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think? Because whoever respects the press cars wants to
just try something crazy and wild because it doesn't really
matter because it's not their car, so they just like try.
This is like a baby blue.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh I love like a Robins blue, like a Tiffy.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
It's certainly not as classy as a Tiffany blue. It's
more like a it's almost a matte baby blue.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That's not okay.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's not okay, Matt.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Colors in general should be done by now, and I
agree baby blue like the new or new ish bmw
M two. I love that blue, you know, but it's
a shine.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh yeah, no, this is And actually I'm looking at
the paperwork for the car. They don't have the color listed.
The man doesn't black color. No, I think this is
incorrect because it's calling it black and it's certainly not black.
Maybe it's a rap Ooh, that's an interesting proposition. I
will say though. The sound system, it's the Burmister or
(34:40):
Burmeister four D surround sound, costs sixty eight hundred dollars extra.
It's so good, worth it, so good, so worth it.
When you're listening to Cardi B on your way to work,
you will hear the back of her throat like you've
never heard before. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I aside away from cars for a moment. I'll say that,
please Cardi B. Maybe the cultural phenomenon that also surprised
me most to the upside this year.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Why I'd never heard was it her legal travails, No,
her time in court? Nope, No, because she's a real genius.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I've never heard anything from her like music wise, or
even statements. I paid zero ten. Once you said Cardi B,
I stopped paying attention, and so I didn't. I cared
very little. But I was at a concert in Central Park.
I knew there was a butt coming yeah, and they
were like, oh, Cardi B is gonna play, and I
(35:36):
was like, this will be interesting. I'm going to probably
leave early. And I don't think that I've seen someone
this year who is more herself than Cardi B. She
is a genuine version of herself, and in a way
that you can tell like I know, and I admire
and respect her for.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
It same same exactly she authentic. She is so authentic,
there's no there's no apparent distance between what is going
on in her head and what she says and how
she presents herself to the world. And I find that
in a world where everyone wears a mask. I find
that so cool and it's it's actually really smart, and
(36:20):
it takes a lot of discipline to not to truly
be yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I wonder if or if that's just the way she is.
I can't I don't see it as a disciplined person.
Although she's so successful that you.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Should hear on social media talking about like not being
lazy and working hard every day. She gives these like
pep talks. It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well she blew me away, and yeah, I was thinking
last night. I was thinking about character. What it means
to have character or does it mean you're being a character,
you're acting a character, you're playing a character, And obviously
all of us are to some extent, yes, And Cardi
B seems like like she isn't she really is that person?
(37:03):
I don't know why wait, why do we get to this? Oh,
so you're listening to Cardi BS on the stereo. Yeah,
it's a seven thousand dollars option, and you're saying, tick
that box.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Tick the box. It really I'm telling you. It's one
of those things where you're listening to songs and you're like, oh,
I didn't know that I didn't know that part was
in it. I had never realized it. And I think also,
and I need to go back and check, but I
also think Dolby Atmos is playing a role here because
this car has it, and I am a fan. After
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getting a very extensive run through of all of the
technology that goes into remastering songs so that they can
be played on that platform, it really does make a difference.
So anyway, love the sound system, and love the seats too,
very very comfortable seats, and when you have a huge
town car like this, you kind of want to feel
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like you're in a cushy environment.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So that's good news I had. I have grown so
frustrated with car stereos and how bad they are that
I have to some extent, well, I've greatly reduced the
music amount of music that I listened to in cars,
so I just I listened to Bloomberg Radio a lot,
but I also listen to you know, BBC and NPR.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
And podcast you know, I do a lot of podcasts, Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Mostly car podcasts, believe it or not, And because I'm
just so disappointed with what car stereos can give us.
There are exceptions, but.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I do think it's overlooked.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I'm excited when I'm excited when they've gotten it right,
because then I don't have to turn around and spend
ten grand to get it right myself.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
It's cool that you like this car and the car stereo.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Don't love how it looks. I mean, it's not for me.
It's like it's kind of like a mobster car in
a way, you know, it's just like big.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well, I wouldn't want that's I've never liked. So when
they had the AMGGT, which came out what in twenty sixteen,
and I always talk about how much I love that shape,
and then they came out with the four door version
of it, I thought, this is totally wrong. It's that
it looks silly, it doesn't work. But now the new
version of the AMGGT, which we've spoken about a lot recently,
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that I would say is probably my favorite car of
the year that I've driven. Obviously, there are different cars
for different you know, as you say, purposes, and so
this is not a pickup truck but immense power. Yeah,
such an elegant package and like an understated luxury. It's
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just at the price tag where I get.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
The price tag. Also fuel economy almost fifty miles per
gallon in combined city and highway driving because it's driving
depending on who's driving, as the results may vary because
of that hybrid powertrain. So that's good.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, well, I don't know if I like that or
not when I think about this car. So, I mean,
the best cars I've driven this year, this is one
of them, the Vanquish and the R S six. I
I'm not sure if I like the complexity in this
car especially, but also the R S six and the
(40:29):
hybrid thing, like I'm a huge fan of it, you know,
of the Corvettes. I really like the E Ray because
it has the electric motor polling on the front wheels.
But I just I would prefer fewer parts that can
break in any car. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, I
get it, But man, this thing I love to go on.
(40:50):
The Mercedes Benz configurator and a good one build my
own because they have like one hundred colors from which
you can choose.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And so the color thing, yes.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But it's over two hundred thousand dollars before I add
a single option.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So yeah, it's so fast though, zero to sixteen three
seconds for a car, for a big, heavy car like
this is pretty impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I don't think a lot of people know how powerful
this vehicle is, like even people who are read in
to the automotive world. Yeah, it's a serious hard press
to name a car under you know, a name a
sports car under you know, four hundred thousand dollars that
has more than one thousand pound feet of torque. A
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lot of people would not be able to.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Well, that's like twice what most nine to elevens have.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah. Nine elevens are always pretty weak on torq, aren't
they except the turbos. Well, I guess they're all turbos.
Now back to the nine to eleven Hannah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, whoops?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
All right, So what are your plans? We're getting closer
and closer to like I think Hanukah's starting, Christmas is
coming up. What are you your holiday plans?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
You know what, Well, I'm going to go to Portugal
and this weekend and drive that Ferrari real quick, and
then I'm really looking forward to being here at home
in La we As. You know, Magnus and I are
working on a book. Our deadline for that is quickly approaching,
so I will be crashing some chapters of that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Hey, what's the book.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
The book is a coffee table book, twenty chapters, twenty
porsches actually, with lots of pictures for anyone who doesn't
want to read. There are lots of great photos too,
and that should be coming out probably in early twenty
twenty seven. But I'm also going to go visit. We
are going to go visit our friend Schmully, who is
(42:43):
currently on a ranch at basically near a Passo Robles,
which is a really nice like wine area sort of
on the way to Carmel Over before New Year, in
the days between Christmas and New Years.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So our school lucky that you live out there.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
You gotta come out, Matt.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I really.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Going to come in and have so many friends and fans.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, I just want to hang out with you, with
you guys and obviously my brother in law Luis. But
it's like you can go. It's like living in Europe,
California kind of kind you can just jet off for
the weekend to a new, amazing place that everyone else
wants to see. And meanwhile, here I can choose between
(43:27):
like Connecticut and New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
You know, where will you be for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
No, I'll be at my place in Westchester, and I
love Westchester, but you know, driving gets a little bit dicey.
It's always on these right now in the winter, and
I'm just gonna be probably at home scrolling through bring
a trailer, you know, A mark basically every like non
new nine to eleven, but I'm really narrowed it down
(43:54):
to like a nine nine to seven. I like the
look of the point one better because it's be LEDs
and I like the wheels better on that and probably
sound better without the direct injection. But I like the
reliability of the nine nine to seven dot two. Plus
I always bookmark any of these older ferraris. There's eight. Yeah,
(44:16):
I don't know if I would fit in one, you know,
but it doesn't need engine out service and they go
for they're not a million dollars, but yeah, that's I mean,
I'm gonna have like seventeen people at my house again
for Christmas, the whole family.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
This is relatives coming in. Oh man. Yeah, that's a lot.
So that'll be fun. Is your tree up?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
The tree is up? Man? We got that at Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Oh yeah, same, yeah, gotta draw it.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Out, absolutely fantastic. Well, it's been great. We're not going anywhere.
We're still going to be back here, same time, same
place next week, right, Yes we will. Are we doing Ryan?
Are we doing a new episode every every week? Still? Yes?
I think that's a yes.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
That does it for this week's show. Remember to follow
and subscribe to Hot Pursuit on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere
else you listen. You can also send us your comments.
Email us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yes. And by the way, a dude who listens to
the show just bought a testro so the other day.
Oh no way, and he on bring a trailer. He
was like, I think I've made a horrible mistake.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Toltally wonderful.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Definitely tell us what you're shopping for and tell us
if you pull the trigger or want to. I'm always
good for a convo on email. Check out Hannah's columns
and stories on Bloomberg dot com and the Bloomberg Business app.
Go there for car reviews, events and stories that you
won't find anywhere else. Find it all at Bloomberg dot com,
slash Pursuit, slash autos. I'm Matt Miller and.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I'm Hannah Elliott. Will be back in your podcast feed
again next week.
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Hannah Elliott and
I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is hot Pursuit coming up on today.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
No wait, what on today? That we understand you, Matt,
just lean into it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
We will take a look back at the highs and
lows of the year.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
What brands busted through and who missed the mark.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We got to drive so many cars in twenty twenty five.
We'll talk about the ones we loved and the ones
that fell short. Will we talk about the ones that
fell short? Are we going?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Honestly, the worst thing I like doing with cars that
fall short is I just don't talk about them at all.
I banished them to non existence, right because I don't
want to think negative thoughts, which probably isn't great because
I'm a car critic.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But I also think, and this is, you know, this
is a point that I make a lot. Even the
ones that fall short are usually fantastic because we drive
pretty expensive cars, like they're mostly more than fifty thousand
dollars a piece, so more than the average cost, and
they're brand new and hopefully they've been prepared, expect and
(01:17):
prepared perfectly. So even the ones that kind of suck,
don't suck.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, Look, it's not like it's a Saturn or a
Pontiac or something you know from the eighties or ninth like. No,
of course, everything new now is million miles in advance
of what we were driving decades ago. They're safer, they're
slightly more efficient, you know, they fit and finish is better. Yes,
this is all relative, and we are very spoiled. We're
(01:45):
aware of that. Yeah, but we can still nitpick.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
For sure, and we will. I will. I just haven't
really thought about what has fallen short and there are
some experiences that I've had. For example, I was arriving
what was it. I think it was either a GMC
Yukon or a Chevy Tahoe, you know, one of those
big GM trucks that I love so much. But it
(02:10):
was on like twenty fours and so if you look
at it wrong, you get a flat tire. And then
I had to change the tire myself, which normally I
pride myself on doing that quickly and well, and it
took me like an hour and a half with my
five year old daughter.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So did you talk about that on this podcast? Matt.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm pretty I'm pretty sure, but I've had you know,
I've had a number of occasions this.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Year the battery story where you ran out of charge.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, well, a number of occasions this year where no
these giant wheels, so twenty two's are twenty fours. And
you know we're in America, so obviously the infrastructure is horrendous, right,
It's not like we're in Spain, where the roads are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Where things are perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So when you get that kind of wheel and like
low pro tires, it's just they all pop. So I've
had a number of occasions where I burst tires on
New York commutes.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Let me ask you this, When that happens, do you
tell the press guys, the fleet managers? But you did
actually try to make a valiant effort to change it yourself.
You didn't just call them and say help, come get me.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
First person I call is my boy Eric. No, I
do not call Pierre. Why not because Pierre gets super
pissed off. So you know, Pierre will be like, do
you know that that wheel costs like more than your paycheck?
Whereas Eric is like, bring it to the dealer, will
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So Pierre'll slap you with a Scarf.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
He's a pretty serious dude.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I love it. I love it. It gets so wound up.
It's the best.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, no, I I call those guys straight away. And
but yeah, I have a real problem with wheels and
jen beyond just the size of wheels and the profile
of tires. I'm always curbing wheels.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Like, let me ask you, this, are wheels your new
sound system? Because you know, I feel like for a
while you went through this phase where you kind of
hated every sound system, but now it sounds like maybe
you hate every wheel.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, no, what's I think what's happened is, for one thing,
the wheels are getting more and more difficult to deal
with because they're so big and they're not at all recessed,
and even on like off roady vehicles or on trucks,
it's a cinch to curb them and then feel horrible
(04:38):
about yourself for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I know, it's yeah, I know, I don't want that.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Give me Steely's, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That's that's why with this recent Audi RS six wagon
that we had, I literally was parking that two feet
away from the curb. I don't even care me too.
I mean, I was terrified with those because they stick
out so far.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
In fact, I would say on so, the Audi RS
is obviously one of the greatest vehicles I've driven this year,
definitely a high. The wheels as beautiful as they are,
as expensive as they look, I would instantly change them
out if I own.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
That car, because you'd be too stressed about them.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, because I need to take a taxi from my
parking spot to the sidewalk. You know, I'm so afraid
of scratching them, but since it was an Audi, I didn't.
I only scratch wheels on Aston, Martin's and Mercedes, which
are you know, also Hella expensive and make me feel
super guilty. Yeah, no, I would. I wouldn't say they're
(05:38):
my new stereo, but I'm paying much more attention to them,
and car stereos just never seem to impress too much.
I'm waiting for this Dolby Atmos revolution.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
You know what I think I might this might take
us into our next segment. Yeah, but I am loving
the sound system and the thing that I'm driving this week,
and maybe we can tease it and we can talk
about it later. But even today I was thinking, what
sound system is this? I'm hearing things I haven't heard
(06:11):
before and songs that I've listened to for years.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
All right, let's just put a pin in that, because
I do want to come back in the next great
segment talk about it. But I want to hear some
of your lows, because it's not all just about wheels
and tires, Like, what are the things that have disappointed
you in the cars you've driven this year?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Okay, I feel a little bit bad about saying this,
but I am hard pressed to find a low, really,
because as you said, many of the cars that we
drive are so exceptional, and it really is a challenge
to pick out to really be nitpicky and pick things
that you didn't like. But I will say a big
(06:53):
miss for me was the key fob on the Cadillac Celestic.
And I know, oh, I've spoken about this before, but
just as a refresher, this is the car that Cadillacs
spent years developing. It kind of looks like a very
long while. If you want to say it's a three
hundred thousand dollars wagon, I won't fight you on it.
(07:13):
And this is the car they said that was going
to go up against or is supposed to go up
against Rolls Royce. It's an electric vehicle. It does it
can look cool and some colors in some lights. I
don't really have equibble with the car itself, but because
we're being so nitpicky, the key fob that they gave
me for that was a plastic square that I couldn't
(07:37):
believe it because they had spent because when I drove
the car that I spent three hours getting an earful
about every minute detail that they developed and tooled and
you know, made in house, and they worked with all
of these European designers and all of this special stuff
to make the car so signature and so refined and
all this stuff, and then they hand me this plastic
(07:59):
keyfob and it was such a disconnect for such an
important thing because of all of this big car, the
one thing that I'm actually touching, holding in my hand,
carrying with me, looking at, showing other people to brag
is the key fob. So that was really a big
miss for me, unfortunately. And I did ask if they're
(08:19):
developing anything new to go along with it, and they
said they're going to develop an app that can unlock
the car, and maybe there will be something else in
the future.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
But not a new keyfob because I thought, I mean,
I thought they were going to develop a more premium,
higher end right.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
So I drove the car in April. At the time
of my review, they said they were quote unquote working
on it. Now. In fairness, I should really reach out
to them and say, hey, how's that new keyfob coming,
But at the time they told me, you know, they
will have an app developed that can unlock the car
so you don't have to worry about a keypop at all.
(08:57):
And then you know, potentially later on down the.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Road, I will say, I don't mind the leather. It's
got like a little leather carrying case, huh. And also
you've got great.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Hands, thanks because I used my mom for that.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I'm looking back at your story the Celastic and you're
there's a picture of you holding the key fob, which
was really cool, like poison green nail polish, and it's
at least they put it in a sleeve, and I
think that's what they probably they were like, we have
to make this better, and someone.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what, I think, I think the sleeve made
it worse because it made it even more bulky, and
the stitching on the sleeve is remind me of stitching
on like a baseball glove, which again is not the look.
So as a woman, I'm thinking I might just like
slip it into the pocket of like some slim pants
or a suit or whatever, and it ruins the line
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of my jacket or my pants anyway, and the sleeve
makes it worse.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Well, I will say that my biggest key problem this
year was the Rivian R one s Oh yeah, and
they only gave me a little card like the size
of a credit card, which would be fine in your
slim line pants.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Uh flimline pants.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I couldn't like lock and unlock the car.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
With that, and since they're like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It made me feel like a total total idiot. And
to be fair, since then, I've gotten so much email
from Rivian, you know, owners and drivers who are like, hey,
come over here, I'll teach you how to use that.
You know, like there is a way to do it,
But I don't have to be.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Taught how to unlock a car. That's the other thing.
It makes me remember that scene in Zoolander when they're
like banging on the computer like monkeys and trying to
figure out they're trying to get the files that are
in the computer. That is literally how I feel when
I'm trying to break into these cars using a credit
card that you have to hold a certain way, but
it can't be wet, but you can't be you know,
(10:52):
it can't be certain things, and yeah, like I'm just
trying to get in my car. You need to get
to work, man.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
No.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I had frankly had that feeling with a lot of
aspects of the Ribban, where it's like, this thing is awesome,
but you know what's.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Really bad the neighbor that the neighbor that I don't
like drives a Ribban.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Do you have that in your life where there's somebody
that you don't like in the car they drive. It
kind of ruins the car that they drive because you're like.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Oh, I I really like almost everyone I know.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You do. That's such a great thing, and everyone feels it.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
There are not many people.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I'm I'm more what do I want to say, choosie?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Discerning? No? I mean no, because it is really lovely
that you genuinely do like everyone and most people feel
that you like them. I'm a little more.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What's the word, I think discerning is the right word,
by the way. I also to get back to our
initial discussion about things we like and things we don't.
There were so many things I loved this year that
I didn't think I was going to so me too.
Top of my list is the Aston Martin Vanquish. Now, yes,
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I knew it was going to be amazing, but I
feel like Aston Martin finally got so many things right
that people have been complaining about for a while. And
that is a supercar. I don't know if it's worth
the six hundred thousand dollars that's priced at, but if
you have that kind of money and you're looking for
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some exclusivity, you know, and everybody in your neighborhood has Ferraris,
it makes sense to me. And it was just they
nailed it on design, They nailed it on the power beautiful. Yes,
everything inside felt you know. The screens. While I wouldn't
have chosen screens myself, they weren't horrible. You know, everything
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worked better than expected, including the like who cares about
car player and an Aston Martin Vanquish you care about
the twelve cylinder motor But it does have the best
car play I've ever used. So yeah, that's that's one
of the things that really positively surprised me this year.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I love that. That's a really good point. And they
have made so much. They really have improved their interior.
I remember back in the day it really was like
objectively not competitive, and now it's really so much better,
and we always say like we really want aston to
continue to improve and it's so beautiful. And there was something, Oh,
(13:37):
I was going to ask you, So you're saying that
you would get that over a Ferrari potentially just to
be a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, to be clear, and now that we know each
other so well, you I'm sure are aware that I
would prefer to have a Ferrari like a three h
eight yes or but for new or a six twelve
yes for a new thing. I haven't driven the Ferrari
Roma or the Amalfi or.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Drive that this weekend.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh you're so lucky.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I'll come back and tell you all about it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But I love the shapes. I love the design of those,
and I'm no longer butt hurt about the turbous of
Ferrari engines at the low end.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
What's the Italian word for butt hurt? I am translation here.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, I think like there is an argument to be
made for the Aston Martin over Ferrari. However, I have
very little experience with Ferrari's and I've driven a lot.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Of asteris I predict that'll change. That's maybe that's one
of our goals for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Sakes, I I also want to say so, I was
thinking about what I've driven this year and what surprised me.
When the Chevy Blazer SS e V showed up in
my driveway, I thought, well, here's what I'm not gonna
drive this week, you know. And you know, when you
get a press car that you from the bat, from
(15:04):
the get go, you realize you're not gonna move it
and they're gonna come back a week later and pick
up something as zero miles added. But then I did
start to drive it, and I think from the outside
it still remains more unimpressive than the Honda Prologue, but
the driving experience really impressed me. It's it felt like
an autobon cruiser. It's heavy, but it feels like it
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has like so much power and presence and stability, and
it's electric but it automatically like told me where the
fast charging stations are and essentially did it for me.
It took twelve minutes to fill the whole thing up.
And that's one of the things like I tell somebody
that like at cocktail parties, and it's a conversation stopper
because on the one hand they're surprised, and on the
(15:50):
other hand, they don't really feel like talking to me
about cars anymore because they think I'm.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
That's just clue, That's how I'm feeling right now. No,
just kidding. I only say that because I haven't driven it,
and but I know what it looks like, and so
my reaction is the exact same as you, which is like,
how can this we get?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
It's just super comfyed, its super powerful, and I feel
like GM has killed it with EV's like the I
don't know the chemistry and the Ultium platform, but they
have so much range, they have so much power. I
had such a great time in the for example, Sierra GMC,
Sierra v EVU so luxurious.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Mary Barra, come talk to us, yes, because I do
think as twenty twenty six unfolds, we are going to
see now all of these choices that automakers have made
play out in real time. And we're going to start
to see the consequences of some of these choices. For instance,
(16:45):
Ford made a very different choice about EV's than General
Motors yep Son. It's gonna start to play out, which
I think will be really interesting, And it would be
great to hear from Mary because I don't think she's
gonna be at GM forever and this might be, you know,
what she's set up to unfold in twenty twenty six
and beyond might be her legacy.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, for sure. By the way, you say you don't
think she's gonna be a GMCA forever, because where do
you think she's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
She's not going to live for I think she'll retire
eventually once this. I think she's very goal oriented. Admittedly
my exposure to her has been limited, but just following
the industry, I think she's very goal oriented. And once
the task of basically establishing GM in this new world
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of evs is done, or at least in a safe place,
that to me would be a natural exit for her
to retire and time with her family exactly, And that
would be a really strong legacy to leave to leave.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I wonder if she'll be pulled into government because.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh that'd be interesting, Yeah, really interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Because she's been so successful there on so many levels,
and she's obviously an incredibly talented leader, and that doesn't
just it doesn't have to be limited just to corporate
back to cars. What has impressed you this year? Like,
what has anything positively surprised you? And I know you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I'm gonna write a column about that, but I also
have a column going live on Monday that we can
talk about after the break about the brands that did
really well this year, and there's one in particular that
was a huge standout.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
All Right, that's all ahead on Hot Pursuit. That's coming
up next. That's after this. It's next. Stay with us,
stick with us. We're back in two. All right. Now,
let's talk about while we teased Hannah, your column that's
coming out on Monday. I'm excited to hear about the
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brands that you think surprised this year or that will
surprise in twenty twenty six. What's the story.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Well, this may not be a surprise to someone. We've
already touched on it a little bit, but the real
shining star of twenty twenty six is Ferrari And again like,
I don't think this will be a huge surprise, but
to maintain such big profit margins, to have order books
full until twenty twenty seven, to basically just have the
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average price of its new vehicles like three and four
times the average price of everybody else in the luxury
segment just puts every other of its luxury rivals to shame.
And yes, it's been a hard year for everyone, including Ferrari.
They have readjusted targets, especially with electrification, which I actually
(19:39):
think is probably smart. But still at the end of
the day, Ferrari has come out of twenty twenty five
looking really good. And I also think that's because they're
less exposed in China. Like we know Porsche in particular
got really hit in China with the EV thing. Ferrari
sells like ten percent of its vehicles in China, so
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it's not really exposed there as much as other luxury brands.
So my crown jewel of twenty twenty five, and this
is not really a surprise to any of our analysts,
is Ferrari.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
That's interesting. I also had a chance this year to
talk to Benedetto Vina, the CEO Ferrari, and I sensed
a willingness though he wasn't spilling the beans, I sensed
a willingness in him to go back to a manual
transmission to three pedals.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
He sensed it. Yes, he got this vibe.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
He was implying that they you know that they they
can do that in their sort of top end like
one off models. And we've seen other companies asked and
Martin for example, do that for their you know, million
dollar hypercars. But it seemed also he was asking me,
you know what I would do, and you know I
(20:49):
want the take rate to be high, so I would.
I think you have to plan it yet to be
strategic about it, but I think there's a lot more
room for manual transmissions in the really expensive cars, right.
I'll never forget what the Bentley CEO told us a
couple of weeks ago, Frank Frank Wallacer Frank Stephen Walsher
(21:13):
about the take rate for the GT three, for the
manual transmission in the GT three because they had been
selling you know, basse carreras or maybe gts is where
the take rate on the manual was only twenty percent
or less. The engineers bet him that it wouldn't be
beat that yeah, GT three and he was like, oh,
(21:33):
it'll definitely be better than twenty. It turned out to
be seventy percent and eat that. Yeah. The lesson is, though,
as you climb up the price scale, you know, you
you weed out people who are like daily drivers or
you know, like us, and you get these like real
enthusiasts with money to back it up. And of course
they're gonna pick a manual transmission because this is a
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car that's going to go in their museum like gargantuan
garage and maybe be driven two or three times a year.
Why would they want a PDK. They're not tracking it,
or at least that's how I read it. So yeah,
Ferrari a Ferrari has just crushed it. And it was
weird to see the stock crater this year after the Capitol.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, it hasn't been a good It hasn't been like
a perfect year for them, admittedly, but it hasn't been
for anybody.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I thought you were going to talk about Audi because.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, nowaday's one of my ones to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Okay, yeah, because that.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Is in the story, but it's a one to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, because it just seems like Audi is starting to
I think They've not done poorly. I've never driven an
Audi where I thought this is lame.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, no, of course, but sometimes I've driven them and
thought I wish there was a little bit more. I
wish there was something grabbing my stomach, a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
A little bit more Audi and less Volkswagen.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yes, and yes, it looks like they have it in
them too. I was just going to say, like, this
company has been around racing to racing success for one
hundred years. Let's not forget Tom Christiansen winning an Audi's
you know at Laman. The heritage is there. Of course,
we saw the concept, see that they debuted in September
and Milan that is I think. I think it looked cool.
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I think it's a good indicator of where they're going
to go. And let's not forget they're joining Formula one
in the screen, which is going to be a huge
shot of adrenaline for them, both just from a technology
but also marketing standpoint, a glamour standpoint. I think you're
totally right about that, Matt. I'm really looking forward to
seeing what they do.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I like, can't wait to watch Formula one pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I know, who are you watching Cadillac. Are you watching Audi?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Like, yeah, who are you gonna?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We're curious about Audi Cadillac.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The competition is just getting so much more intense in
terms of brands that touch me personally on a regular basis. Yes, yes,
I just want to see how how it all works out.
And I hope somehow Liberty Media figures out a way
to inject more excitement into this. I mean, this season
turned out to be pretty exciting at the end, but
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the individual races need to have more passing, you know,
And I don't know how how they do that. But
what are the other takeaways from your story? If you I.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Will, Let's talk about Let's talk about one company that
really struggled, and again this is not going to be
a surprise, but we should talk about it, which is Porscha. Yeah,
and you know, I would say it to be kicked
off of Germany's stock index. They're there, They're blue chip
index is a huge like loss of face for them,
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and that is an indicator of everything else that has
been going on for Porsia. And obviously Porsche looks to
me the worst because it was at the heights, it
was so hyped up.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The most profitable automaker in the world.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yes, yes, And when it was kicked off of this
German stock index, the shares had fallen over thirty percent
from the previous year. It has said that it will
barely even make a profit in twenty twenty five. So
that's unbelievable only because Portia has been so dominant, and
(25:33):
because the nine to eleven is still I think the
Pinnacle sports car for the money, I still think it
is by far the Swiss army knife. If you have,
you can't beat it in terms of every of the
value and everything it gives and how it drives. It's very,
very very close to perfect. So it's just wild to
see this incredible product that we all know and drive
(25:54):
often and then see the company struggle. Also, let's not
forget their ce d Oliver Bloomer, you know, was doing
a double duty role at BW and Porsche for far
two time. Yeah, and I think that was our strain.
I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Well. For one thing, we have a fantastic story on
Bloomber dot Common on the Bloomberg terminal about the Porsche
PSH family and how they have kind of borrowed themselves
into a corner to some extent. But this is a
clan that is while they're storied for everything we love,
they also have made just really bad business decisions over
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the last twenty five years. Right, a failed attempt at
Porsche taking over Folkswagen resulted in Folkswagen swallowing up Porsche.
And you know when they when the family was austing
Ferdinand Pish, who Folkswagen everything we love. I mean, this
(26:54):
is the hero that bought and brought back Bugatti. This
is the guy who got himself Dukati for his birthday,
Like he built this incredible state.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
One of us.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, he's one of us, and they and they and
it's enforcing him out. Had to take massive loans to
buy his you know, one zero point three billion dollar steak,
And now they're having to decide whether or not they
pay dividends over what's right for the operational business, or
at least that's something the analysts are questioning. So this
all led me to wonder whether things like the lack
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of a handbrake, which went away in the nine to
nine seven, or things like the lack of real gauges
which went away in the nine to nine to two
you know, things like electronic steering instead of hydraulic, Like,
are these technological advancements or are they cost cutting mechanisms?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I'm sorry there is yes.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, I'm starting to think there's just they it's it's
it's amazing at a car that starts at one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars before options. But I'm starting to
think they just can't afford to put real gauges in
because nobody would prefer screens right on a nine to eleven.
You want the beautiful gauges that for which the car
was famous and that they're trying to like digitally imitate, Like,
(28:15):
why not give us the real thing? I don't want
a fake version of that, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I think it's possible that the powers that be at
Porsia misjudged the consumer a little bit and thought they
wouldn't be bothered by all of those very they're all
very small, minor changes, but they do add up to
a bigger thing. I think, Yeah, maybe there was a
(28:41):
little bit of a misjudge of the depth of devotion
on some of the buyers to that analog.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Feel well, let's hope some of it comes back, because
you know, it's safe to say it's the brand that
we talk about more than any other. You think, yes, yeah,
I think car enthusiasts in general probably talk about the
nine to eleven more than any model, including the Miyata.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I have to disagree. I think I think I think
people in Ferrari circles or Lamborghini circles or Pegani circles
would say, well, we talk about our favorite car.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
For sure. But I'm just saying, like, if you put
all car enthusiasts together, right, if you stack up roadent
track and car and driver for the past fifty years,
I think you're gonna see nine to eleven as the
most mentioned. Well that it's probably I can dig through
the day. I can use AI just figure that out.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, please use your chat GBT. If that's the case,
then that is still another testament to how good that
car is and how shocking it is that Porsia has fallen.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
By the way, can I just say, to go back
to what we were talking about previously. One of the
big surprises for me this year also was the Taikon,
which you'd already driven I think in previous years, yes,
and I had not. It blew me away in a
really positive sense. And now when I drive by them
on the street, I'm looking, you know, and uh, you know,
(30:10):
I may start to pull them up in car Gurus
or auto Trader just to shop to see if they've
had some depreciation, because it'll set.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
A baby seat in the back fast.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, but again, it's not going to come with three pedals,
and it's all like Cassio screens instead of No.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
But I'm okay with I'm actually okay with that. I
think it's the right tool for the job. You know.
It's all about you can have different tools in your
tool what tool belt?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right, Yes, for sure, I just wish I could have
a lot of different tools.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
And I just didn't buy bitcoin early enough.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
You know, what's that thing that Barry always says, like,
you should have the money that you've spent on an
Apple computer back in the day. You should have invested
with Apple.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yes exactly, instead of buying an iPhone thousand dollars of
this stuff. Yes, which is for the most part true.
But then he would have said the same thing about
Porscha and and I'm glad I didn't buy those shares.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, story's not over yet, you know, a true champion
finds a way to come back. That's true, and I
think we would all be happy if Portia really showed
its champion stripes here. So time will tell.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
All right, Well, we teased that you love the stereo
in the vehicle that you're currently driving, so we come back.
We will tell everyone what you're driving right now, and
who makes the stereos? Burmeister, this is hot pursuit, all right.
(31:46):
I'm just looking at I think it's I think it's Burmester.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But is that if you're living in Germany.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I don't know Bermester. Whatever, it's something that Burmester. Maybe
I'm hearing you say that that's who makes the stereo.
I can surmise that you are either talking about a Portia, which,
by the way, if you ever have to check between
that box and bows, please check Burmeister, or or Mercedes,
(32:15):
which uses these stereos a lot so which which is.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Ding ding stut car. It's Mercedes, yet another Mercedes. And
this is the basically kind of the four door version
of the car I had last week. This is the
Mercedes AMGS sixty three E Performance. It's the four door version.
Suggested retail price one hundred and eighty six thousand dollars.
(32:38):
This is like a big car. If you want a
big Mercedes that's got a big engine. It's got a
V eight seven hundred and ninety one horse power. This
is the one for you.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So but serious, Wait say those numbers again? The horsepower
and torque?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
What is four leader V eight by turbo seven and
ninety one horse power over a thousand pound feet of torque?
One thy fifty four pound feet of tark torque.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So it's crazy for the version of the g T
sixty three.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yes, and it actually has the same amount of torque
as that Tudor GT sixty AMGGT.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
A little lighter horsepower, but.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yes, slightly, but who can tell the difference?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
No, who cares completely. It's it's a serious it's a
serious thing.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So it looks hybrid power train, right.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yep, hybrid. Yeah. All of those figures I just gave
our combined figures night speed transmission. This one doesn't come
with a stick, Matt, No, none of them.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I hate the color they make, the color of the
Why does the press color always so bad? What? What's
the car?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think? Because whoever respects the press cars wants to
just try something crazy and wild because it doesn't really
matter because it's not their car, so they just like try.
This is like a baby blue.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Oh I love like a Robins blue, like a Tiffy.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
It's certainly not as classy as a Tiffany blue. It's
more like a it's almost a matte baby blue.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That's not okay.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It's not okay, Matt.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Colors in general should be done by now, and I
agree baby blue like the new or new ish bmw
M two. I love that blue, you know, but it's
a shine.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Oh yeah, no, this is And actually I'm looking at
the paperwork for the car. They don't have the color listed.
The man doesn't black color. No, I think this is
incorrect because it's calling it black and it's certainly not black.
Maybe it's a rap Ooh, that's an interesting proposition. I
will say though. The sound system, it's the Burmister or
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Burmeister four D surround sound, costs sixty eight hundred dollars extra.
It's so good, worth it, so good, so worth it.
When you're listening to Cardi B on your way to work,
you will hear the back of her throat like you've
never heard before. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I aside away from cars for a moment. I'll say that,
please Cardi B. Maybe the cultural phenomenon that also surprised
me most to the upside this year.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Why I'd never heard was it her legal travails, No,
her time in court? Nope, No, because she's a real genius.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I've never heard anything from her like music wise, or
even statements. I paid zero ten. Once you said Cardi B,
I stopped paying attention, and so I didn't. I cared
very little. But I was at a concert in Central Park.
I knew there was a butt coming yeah, and they
were like, oh, Cardi B is gonna play, and I
(35:36):
was like, this will be interesting. I'm going to probably
leave early. And I don't think that I've seen someone
this year who is more herself than Cardi B. She
is a genuine version of herself, and in a way
that you can tell like I know, and I admire
and respect her for.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
It same same exactly she authentic. She is so authentic,
there's no there's no apparent distance between what is going
on in her head and what she says and how
she presents herself to the world. And I find that
in a world where everyone wears a mask. I find
that so cool and it's it's actually really smart, and
(36:20):
it takes a lot of discipline to not to truly
be yourself.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I wonder if or if that's just the way she is.
I can't I don't see it as a disciplined person.
Although she's so successful that you.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Should hear on social media talking about like not being
lazy and working hard every day. She gives these like
pep talks. It's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well she blew me away, and yeah, I was thinking
last night. I was thinking about character. What it means
to have character or does it mean you're being a character,
you're acting a character, you're playing a character, And obviously
all of us are to some extent, yes, And Cardi
B seems like like she isn't she really is that person?
(37:03):
I don't know why wait, why do we get to this? Oh,
so you're listening to Cardi BS on the stereo. Yeah,
it's a seven thousand dollars option, and you're saying, tick
that box.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Tick the box. It really I'm telling you. It's one
of those things where you're listening to songs and you're like, oh,
I didn't know that I didn't know that part was
in it. I had never realized it. And I think also,
and I need to go back and check, but I
also think Dolby Atmos is playing a role here because
this car has it, and I am a fan. After
(37:33):
getting a very extensive run through of all of the
technology that goes into remastering songs so that they can
be played on that platform, it really does make a difference.
So anyway, love the sound system, and love the seats too,
very very comfortable seats, and when you have a huge
town car like this, you kind of want to feel
(37:55):
like you're in a cushy environment.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So that's good news I had. I have grown so
frustrated with car stereos and how bad they are that
I have to some extent, well, I've greatly reduced the
music amount of music that I listened to in cars,
so I just I listened to Bloomberg Radio a lot,
but I also listen to you know, BBC and NPR.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
And podcast you know, I do a lot of podcasts, Okay.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Mostly car podcasts, believe it or not, And because I'm
just so disappointed with what car stereos can give us.
There are exceptions, but.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I do think it's overlooked.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I'm excited when I'm excited when they've gotten it right,
because then I don't have to turn around and spend
ten grand to get it right myself.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
It's cool that you like this car and the car stereo.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Don't love how it looks. I mean, it's not for me.
It's like it's kind of like a mobster car in
a way, you know, it's just like big.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Well, I wouldn't want that's I've never liked. So when
they had the AMGGT, which came out what in twenty sixteen,
and I always talk about how much I love that shape,
and then they came out with the four door version
of it, I thought, this is totally wrong. It's that
it looks silly, it doesn't work. But now the new
version of the AMGGT, which we've spoken about a lot recently,
(39:22):
that I would say is probably my favorite car of
the year that I've driven. Obviously, there are different cars
for different you know, as you say, purposes, and so
this is not a pickup truck but immense power. Yeah,
such an elegant package and like an understated luxury. It's
(39:45):
just at the price tag where I get.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
The price tag. Also fuel economy almost fifty miles per
gallon in combined city and highway driving because it's driving
depending on who's driving, as the results may vary because
of that hybrid powertrain. So that's good.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, well, I don't know if I like that or
not when I think about this car. So, I mean,
the best cars I've driven this year, this is one
of them, the Vanquish and the R S six. I
I'm not sure if I like the complexity in this
car especially, but also the R S six and the
(40:29):
hybrid thing, like I'm a huge fan of it, you know,
of the Corvettes. I really like the E Ray because
it has the electric motor polling on the front wheels.
But I just I would prefer fewer parts that can
break in any car. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, I
get it, But man, this thing I love to go on.
(40:50):
The Mercedes Benz configurator and a good one build my
own because they have like one hundred colors from which
you can choose.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And so the color thing, yes.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
But it's over two hundred thousand dollars before I add
a single option.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So yeah, it's so fast though, zero to sixteen three
seconds for a car, for a big, heavy car like
this is pretty impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I don't think a lot of people know how powerful
this vehicle is, like even people who are read in
to the automotive world. Yeah, it's a serious hard press
to name a car under you know, a name a
sports car under you know, four hundred thousand dollars that
has more than one thousand pound feet of torque. A
(41:34):
lot of people would not be able to.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Well, that's like twice what most nine to elevens have.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah. Nine elevens are always pretty weak on torq, aren't
they except the turbos. Well, I guess they're all turbos.
Now back to the nine to eleven Hannah.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah, whoops?
Speaker 2 (41:49):
All right, So what are your plans? We're getting closer
and closer to like I think Hanukah's starting, Christmas is
coming up. What are you your holiday plans?
Speaker 1 (41:58):
You know what, Well, I'm going to go to Portugal
and this weekend and drive that Ferrari real quick, and
then I'm really looking forward to being here at home
in La we As. You know, Magnus and I are
working on a book. Our deadline for that is quickly approaching,
so I will be crashing some chapters of that.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Hey, what's the book.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
The book is a coffee table book, twenty chapters, twenty
porsches actually, with lots of pictures for anyone who doesn't
want to read. There are lots of great photos too,
and that should be coming out probably in early twenty
twenty seven. But I'm also going to go visit. We
are going to go visit our friend Schmully, who is
(42:43):
currently on a ranch at basically near a Passo Robles,
which is a really nice like wine area sort of
on the way to Carmel Over before New Year, in
the days between Christmas and New Years.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
So our school lucky that you live out there.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
You gotta come out, Matt.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I really.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Going to come in and have so many friends and fans.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Well, I just want to hang out with you, with
you guys and obviously my brother in law Luis. But
it's like you can go. It's like living in Europe,
California kind of kind you can just jet off for
the weekend to a new, amazing place that everyone else
wants to see. And meanwhile, here I can choose between
(43:27):
like Connecticut and New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
You know, where will you be for Christmas?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
No, I'll be at my place in Westchester, and I
love Westchester, but you know, driving gets a little bit dicey.
It's always on these right now in the winter, and
I'm just gonna be probably at home scrolling through bring
a trailer, you know, A mark basically every like non
new nine to eleven, but I'm really narrowed it down
(43:54):
to like a nine nine to seven. I like the
look of the point one better because it's be LEDs
and I like the wheels better on that and probably
sound better without the direct injection. But I like the
reliability of the nine nine to seven dot two. Plus
I always bookmark any of these older ferraris. There's eight. Yeah,
(44:16):
I don't know if I would fit in one, you know,
but it doesn't need engine out service and they go
for they're not a million dollars, but yeah, that's I mean,
I'm gonna have like seventeen people at my house again
for Christmas, the whole family.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
This is relatives coming in. Oh man. Yeah, that's a lot.
So that'll be fun. Is your tree up?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
The tree is up? Man? We got that at Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Oh yeah, same, yeah, gotta draw it.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Out, absolutely fantastic. Well, it's been great. We're not going anywhere.
We're still going to be back here, same time, same
place next week, right, Yes we will. Are we doing Ryan?
Are we doing a new episode every every week? Still? Yes?
I think that's a yes.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
That does it for this week's show. Remember to follow
and subscribe to Hot Pursuit on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere
else you listen. You can also send us your comments.
Email us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yes. And by the way, a dude who listens to
the show just bought a testro so the other day.
Oh no way, and he on bring a trailer. He
was like, I think I've made a horrible mistake.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Toltally wonderful.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Definitely tell us what you're shopping for and tell us
if you pull the trigger or want to. I'm always
good for a convo on email. Check out Hannah's columns
and stories on Bloomberg dot com and the Bloomberg Business app.
Go there for car reviews, events and stories that you
won't find anywhere else. Find it all at Bloomberg dot com,
slash Pursuit, slash autos. I'm Matt Miller and.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I'm Hannah Elliott. Will be back in your podcast feed
again next week.
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