November 28, 2025 • 50 mins
This week we dip into the mailbag and respond to listener email. Plus mixed emotions about F1 in Las Vegas, and driving the Volvo EX90 and EX30.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. I'm Hannah Elliott and
I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is Hot Pursuit coming up on today's podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm back from Las Vegas after attending the Formula one
Grand Prix, and I'll tell you all about that experience.
It was quite an experience. Also my latest headache with
the rolls, and I've been driving the Volvo X ninety
and EX thirty and Matt, I know you want to
hear about that.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, I very much care, especially about that last part,
because you know, my wife had a Volvo XC ninety
for a two year lease and she loved it so much.
But for me, the as I'm sure I've told you
a million times, the two liter four cylinder just wasn't
cutting it. And we had the hybrid version, so like
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it was the most powerful possible Volvo, but that part
of it felt so unluxury to me that I convinced
her to get a Mercedes instead. Now that has come
with its own issues, most of them incredibly expensive issues.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That headlight, I remember you mentioned headlight five grand.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So so she has now vowed to go back to
Volvo because she's she loves the design I don't disagree
with her on that issue. Same but I think that
the EX ninety could solve the powertrain poverty that I
experienced in the XC ninety, So I'm interested. Plus, we
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get to hear from you, our dear listener. We dip
into the Hot Pursuit mail bag for your comments and
answer some of your questions as well as thank you
for your participation. I've gotten so much feedback. Yes, it's
really it's really a lot of fun and you know,
a lot of conversations started because of this. So you
can always shoot us an email.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
At it's Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. And typically, of course
we write back. Sometimes I've noticed like I won't write
back for a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
We will though in the end.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, because one guy wrote in with a couple of
guest suggestions and I took them to heart, and I
actually have booked the guests, but I never like got
back to him and said, dude, great idea. Thank you
for the segment.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So so we should consider this the response.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm excited to say. Nick Pinchuck, the CEO of snap
On Tools, is going to join us at a later.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Date, and this was one of the recommendations.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it was a recommendation. Yeah, you know, I've had
him on my television show. He's a very outspoken CEO.
But also, like what an iconic brand snap On. You know,
if you're watching a race, or if you're watching a
movie about a race, or if you're watching you know,
a movie about a mechanic, or if you're in an
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auto show like snap On, it's everywhere, right, I mean, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I admit I was not intimately familiar with the snap
On universe, but I'm I know the name, and I
sort of vaguely knew, oh yeah, that's that's okay, Yeah
I get it, but I'm not I don't know the details.
So I'm actually really curious and excited to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
All right, So well, you know that that's coming up
to me. Snap On represents the pinnacle of tooling, and
I you know, especially having a lot of old Ducats,
spend a lot of time in the shop, and those
guys swear by these tools. Plus I watch a lot
of movies about races and you always see the logo everywhere,
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But I could never find any to buy because they don't.
They're not for sale at you know, like your local
hardware story. It's like a B to B. It's real
really for professionals.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So professional grade exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So occasionally I'll see the snap on delivery truck, you know,
throughout the years, I'll see it here and there, like
if I'm on a road trip or if I'm you know,
driving somewhere, and I always will pull over and try
and find the driver.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Why because you just want to grow out with him.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know, because if you find the truck and the
guy has time, he will sell you tools.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So sometimes I'll see it and like I have a
couple hundred bucks in my pocket, and I'll pull over
and I'll buy like a screwdriver, you know, because they're expensive.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So this is this leads me to ask, how much
cash do you typically carry at any given time on tools?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's not for that well, it sounds.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Like you're casually just dropping a couple hundos, like on
a tool.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I have to I carry, you know, cash. I don't
know why I carry. I don't usually need it, so I'll.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Kind of a thing. Some people are very into carrying cash,
and some people are like.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I want to always have it. I want to. Ever
since my college days, one of my older fraternity brothers
was like, I always keep it hidden hundred yeah, and
so I always do the same thing, Like with a
couple hundred bucks, I'll keep you know, two or three
c notes folded up in a secret place in my
wallet and that way, whenever I run into a snap on, dude.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I have the money.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Make my day, all right?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
What else should we get straight into the to the
mail bag? Yeah, we've had some really good emails lately.
One of them is from my brother in law. I
don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Let me pull it up love to say what the
he hello? From Matt's brother in law.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean you can go ahead and read it.
The thing is, I know that he listens every week,
and I love the guy. He's a genius. He has
an amazing business and he has even better taste. But
I'd never really like bring him up on the podcast.
And he's like, dude, why aren't you calling me out?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know you know what? And are we going to
say his name, Louise, We're going to say, Okay, so
we're saying it. Well, Louise, thank you for really a
very kind and thoughtful email. I love how you say
that you really like the contrast between us, that Hannah
is more find and euro oriented. Well, Matt shows his
(06:02):
brutal love for American muscle and pickup trucks. I have
to admit that I'm right in the middle. That makes
me so happy to hear because that's authentically who we.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Are, true, and he is get along.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He's get along.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know. Louise is from Spain, but he's an architect
working in la And I think it's great that he
has a pickup truck. That was the first vehicle that
he bought here because he's wanted to, I think, integrate
better with American culture. Plus, he's a surfer, so he's
always carrying the board around. And then but since he
has this like elite level.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Of taste, yes, well he's European, yes.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And he I know he's he got advice from you
and Magnus and he picked up this amazing nine to
eleven sc it's nineteen eighty two SC three. Yeah, and
it's so cool to watch his business grow and to
watch him collect these these things. But one of the
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one of the other things he talks about in his email,
and that we got more emails about. Is the Audi
R S six that I drove, yes last week. I
I can't stop thinking about it either and in both
the good So the good for me is that it
can haul so much and it's so quick, and I
think the design is beautiful. I wish more people And
(07:19):
I think you said this would drive station wagons than SUV's.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, get out of the arms race.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
On the other hand, it's Audi has always had this
tagline what is it?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think it's duschebrung doush no foresprung dousch technique, which
is like advancement through technological you know, I got the
technique for sprung Dusche technique. Yeah. And the thing is
that's always been scary to me because this stuff breaks
and it just again it costs a lot of money
to fix and they have had issues.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, So I really can't comment on that because I
haven't haven't ever owned an Audi, so I don't I
don't know if that's you know it sound. I have
to take your word for it, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, or we got we got an email yes from John.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I was just looking at that, so why do.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You go ahead? And tell us what John has to say.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
John John says that he really agrees with you, Matt.
We were talking last week about the MMI, the sort of.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Uh infotainment system correct.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Inside the Audi, and I was saying that I really
didn't like the fact that you have to push pretty
hard on the screen for it to register. You can't
just brush it anyway. Matt loved it, and John agrees
with Matt. He is a five AUDI owner And that
is one thing that I really realized. People who love
oudies buy outis and keep buying outis they really stay
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in the family. So that really is quite a testament.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But he had an issue, yes, with his first Q eight,
and this guy has gone through a couple of them exactly.
The engine had, I guess, some kind of scroll problem
which blows up the whole block. But he managed to,
through I think a lot of blood, sweat and tears,
(09:06):
get it returned in some way, shape or form. Not
that the you know, overall company took it back, but
the dealership and then he bought a new one, which
is like if I have a problem where my engine
blows up and I've only done like six figures, Yeah,
especially since they cost six figures. I think I would
be a little bit shy to buy another one.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I know, but again I'm OUTI does really engender
some loyalty for the people who really love them. Also,
I have to say, did you look at this photo
that John sent us. Yes, it's a picture of he
and his younger brother in about nineteen seventy six, and
it's the cutest, most Norman Rockwell style photo of two
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little boys in front of a seventy three Mercedes Binz SL.
I can't tell which which SL, but maybe love it.
I can't anyway, it's I love it. Thank you for
sending that.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
By the way, I love it when people send pictures,
obviously of their cars. And like our buddy Don, who's
helping me along in the nine to eleven Air Cold
nine to eleven search, has also sent pictures of his
Porsche's in the past, and he writes in this week
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to say I should get an SC or the Carrera
three point two. He thinks that's the sweet spot and
I don't disagree. So between like nineteen seventy six and
nineteen eighty eight they I think is about the time
period where they built the sc and they were also
they were also treating the crossary so it won't rust
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from nineteen seventy six on, and then the career three
point two. Everyone knows it's famous because people care a
lot about getting the G fifty transmission. I don't think
it's that much better than the nine fifteen, if you sure,
if you work in the nine fifteen. But I've been
hearing that a lot, although I didn't. I heard something
different from Magnus. He likes everything pre nineteen seventy four well,
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and I.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Think Don would agree with that, because Don, in your
note you actually say the newer cars may be quote
unquote better, but they're also heavier, more complex, and really
that is true. There's something very elegant about the simplicity
of the earlier cars, both in how they drive, but
then also in maintaining them. I mean, the whole thing
(11:26):
about Porsche parts being interchangeable is really the bit the
foundation of what a lot of people, at least in
California and elsewhere. That's what got them into actually working
on their own Porsches, because on the earlier cars it's
all the same components. You can go to a swapmeat
or a flea market and buy what you need and
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put it in yourself. It's easy, you can work on it,
and that's part of the joy. So I do see
the appeal of the earlier cars.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
No, I have one hundred percent I see that appeal.
My main concern is that I won't be able to
fit in the older cars, although I should say my
brother in law is I think exactly my height, so
if it fits, oh totally I should. Also if Magnus Walker.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Fits, it's about your height.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I should fit as well. I had been toying with
the idea of just going back to a nine nine one,
which has really had before. And I think it's interesting
that you guys love your turbo so much because I've
been reading so much about the different generations one point
one and nine nine one point two where they go
from the naturally aspirated basically three point eight leader in
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line six two a turbo charged three leader, and apparently,
well I know this also from experience, the turbocharged version
is a totally different drive, Like you're not chasing the
revs higher, trying to constantly make it scream.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
As many people say. You don't have to rev the
nuts off it to get any type of performance and
that is really true. The thing about the earlier turbos too,
is they're not great cars in the canyons because you
have to keep the revs so high, and there's there's
such long shifting cars. They they're not as fun to drive.
(13:09):
They're harder to drive, they're hard to get You really
have the rev the nuts off to get power where
you need it. And also counterintuitively, you have to downshift
a lot of time, a lot of the time to
go faster. So it does take some no how, and
they're just not naturally as suited. They're great for wider, longer,
you know, straight roads.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So you mean the nine thirty that you guys have
earlier is not as good in the canyons, correct, But
the new ish turbo that you have.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Oh, you're talking about modern cars. So sorry, I just
I heard turbo and I'm thinking nine thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No, no, I mean, so you guys got that nine
to nine to one turbo, right, which that's a dot
one but okay, but it's a turbo car.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yes, yes, it's a Turbos. The King of the Hill
at that and now I think it's at two oh
six actually. Yeah, So all this to say we should
do that nine to eleven Buyer's Guide.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I think people want it.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
They definitely, Well, it's certainly the ones who write to
us do. Like we got a message from a dude
named Dale and it just says in the subject line
use p car podcast and then the messages please do
this period, thanks period.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I love it. Get right to the point, Reveny. You
know what, I also find the shorter the email, the
more powerful the person because they get right to the point.
They don't have a lot of time, so you know,
Dale might actually be pretty high up the totem pole.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's right, all right, So we will do that, and
again we thank you for writing in. We will continue
to read Digest and respond to your emails, and when
we come back, we'll hear about Hannah's Rolls Royce problems.
By the way, speaking of classic cars that have issues. Plus,
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I'm going to get her advice on the Volvo issue.
Welcome back to Hot Pursuit from Bloomberg Radio. I'm Matt
Miller here with Hannah Elliott and Hannah, you continue to
have problems with your Rolls Royce, with one of your
Rolls Royces. First of all, is it the same one that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, this is a continuation, yes, of the same one,
which is a seventy five Silver Shadow long wheelbase. It's
the first one that I ever got, and it's the
one that I actually drive the most unless I have
a press car. And it seems like it's a lot
of problems, but it's actually just the same problem that
(15:34):
has continually been misdiagnosed by the person working on it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Charlie, no, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So, this is the problem, and so apologies if everyone
is tired of hearing about the dysfunctional relationship with these cars.
But I actually think it's important to talk about because
I think they look very glamorous and fun and you
know the truth of it too, that everybody who owns
these nose is they do take some time and consideration.
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And this has been a particularly annoying instance where it's
the same problem. The car was dying, like on the
highway out with no warning, and you could restart it
and it start again and drive a little bit more
than it would die. So we thought it was probably
something with a fuel injection issue, a fuel pump issue,
(16:27):
and because Charlie, Charlie Agapo, who's sort of the known mechanic.
I've used him for years. We love him. He's a
known mechanic in LA. He is really backed up. So
instead of letting our car sit at Charlie's garage for
a month or two, we want to be driving it.
We went to somebody else who's in the valley, who
(16:51):
has an earring and he might be irish, and you know,
I don't know. I can't decide if I'm going to
name him or call him out or whatever. But we
went to this the guy thinking, you know, I don't
think he's crooked. But he delivered the car back twice
quote unquote fixed. But the same problem kept reoccurring. And
(17:14):
it's the inconveniences because he's in the valley, he's not closed,
and you got to drive out there, and you got
to take two cars unless you want to put the
car on a flatbed. It's a lot of logistical things
that take a lot of time. Yeah, it's not even
the expense, it's the time and inconvenience. Really, So this
has been I think it was probably two months ago
that the car first went in. Then it takes him
(17:34):
a while to you know, find his way around or whatever.
Whatever he delivers it back to our place. Well, no,
the first time he had his shop guy start to
drive it to our place and the car broke down
on the way with the same problem that he had
claimed he had fixed. So back to the shop. That goes.
Then the second time he drops it to our place
and I go to the to drive it the next day,
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and the same problem happens again. It turns out this
was not And meanwhile we have paid for a new
fuel pump and a few other things. Turns out this
was not a fuel pump issue. It was a simple
issue in the fuse box where there were some crossed
wires literally, and they had not addressed it was a
fuse box issue. Anyway. The third time, now that he
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came to deliver the car, he drops it off at night,
His shop guy drops it off, and I go out
there and the whole car looks like a Jackson pollock
of white paint on the front, on the hood, on
the hood of the car. And they had parked it
out in front of our house, and they hid the
key and they let they just left it like that.
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And I am not precious about my cars, but that
was the final straw, and I was I couldn't believe
that this person who delivered it wouldn't have enough personal
pride and dignity to let anybody know this happened. They
just thought, I mean literally it.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Was it was it actual paint.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was some sort of white. It's like spackle. It
was obviously off the well. We called the guy and
he had to send his guy and do some sort
of like deep polish buff and they did get it off,
but it was all over the hood and it just
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it was kind of unbelievable to me that somebody would
And he claimed what happened is quote unquote the paint
came off the back of a truck that he was
following when he was dropping the car, so it just
literally got white. It probably was stucco. I think it
was like it looked like white paint. It was probably stucco,
(19:47):
some sort of construction material that literally was sprayed all
over the front and sides of the car. I mean,
I was sputtering, well, I have so many questions handle
on please please.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
First of all, I want to point out that we
don't have a problem with guys who wear earrings.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You know, if you're a grown if you're a grown man,
I mean, it's maybe questionable, but if you're a grown
man and a Rolls Royce mechanic, then I have to
is the is this a dedicated.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Rolls Royce shop? M hm, it is so okay, that's weird. Yes,
Then from on your side, I have never been to
your house, but I imagine you and your husband that
you have like a giant car park filled with Corvettes,
Rolls Royces and Porsche's, Like, why not leave your Rolls
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Royce at Charlie's for three months because you don't have
a shortage of vehicles from which to choose.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I know, I know, but you tend to have favorites,
don't you. This was my favorite, and you know you
cannot explain the emotional connection. There's no rhyme or reason.
It's just the one I like and I and I
wanted it. It's a fair point, and yeah, I learned
my lesson. I will wait for Charlie.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I also wonder because I always look at these classic
or you know, decades old cars, and thank god, I'd
love to have that. But I'm because I'm because I'm
such a coward, like in so many different parts of
my life.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Maybe or why maybe or not a food.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'm always afraid and I always think about you and
this old Rolls Royce because you've had it for like.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Ten years, well five years, I've actually counted only five.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh yeah, but you've not had any like seriously expensive
problems with it, right, You've never had to take it
to Charlie and he's like, that'll be fifteen grand.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, No, this this whole thing, which was a two
month Rigamar role and the for sure the most I've
ever spent was five grand. Well, and that included buying
a fuel pump that wasn't needed.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And so that you're what you tell me about your
experience with these cars is what makes me lean into
maybe getting over my fears and buying one myself. But then,
I mean, this story isn't that bad because you've No,
it's not.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's not really not bad.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You've made some bad choices in order to end up here, right.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, I take full response. I've learned my lesson it.
Obviously it could have been this is very obviously first
world problem. It's not. What really bothered me was the
mentality of a person who would disrespect a Rolls Royce
and have no personal pride enough to just make a
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call even try to cover it up. Why not try
to even the effort to try to cover it up.
And I'm like, I'm the little old lady who has
one car that she drives the chirts on Sunday, and
this is the car. And I just felt like, how
is this possible?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I totally get you know, this is the problem. Uh.
Into sixteen, I moved to Berlin and I had my
nine to eleven shipped over there, and then from the
you know, from the docks, I had it delivered to
the Portia dealership in Berlin and over there like the
(23:17):
company owns the dealerships. It's not like here with the
franchise model. And they had to make some changes to
make it road legal in Germany, and they listed all
these changes that they needed to make, said it was
going to cost ten thousand euros, and then left the
car outside in a parking lot, just completely covered in crap.
(23:40):
And I realized that they actually didn't need to make
all of those changes, and I was I couldn't believe
that they left it so dirty, and I actually was
so angry. I wrote a letter to the board. No way,
and the board confirmed my suspicion that you don't need
to make ten thousand dollars worth of changes. It's more like,
(24:01):
you know, uh, a few hundred dollars worth of things,
and that they should also clean the car, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So there's something to that.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Making a little noise sometimes helps.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes, there's there is something to that. And I am
not a fastidious person. I am truly. If you saw
my if you saw my house, it's it's almost gray
garden sometimes over there. But you know it, I am
not uptight about that sort of thing. But you're right.
It's it's when you're paying for a service and they're
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already they've already messed up. The least they can do
is make sure the car is clean and.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Exactly you know, they got to clean the car.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, it just and this was like beyond cleaning. This
was I mean, I was glad that we were able
to fix the situation. But so did you get your
money back?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, I mean, they they did me right good until
I left you Will Germany. Then I had to sell
that because you know, when I moved there in twenty sixteen,
it was like a little over four thousand dollars to
ship the car, which was why I figured that's no brainer.
I'll bring the Porsche back to its home where it belongs,
you know, and drive it. Right. When I moved back
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to the US in twenty twenty one, it was like
twenty grand to ship it back, so I thought, yeah,
I'm gonna just sell it instead. So I took it
to the same place, and partly because of me being
so disorganized, they made me a low ball offer that
(25:37):
I took. Really I kind of regret it, but I
used that chunk of that change to buy my house.
I just I just sent you this, this car that
I've been looking at, and bring a trailer. And I'm
always looking at these older Ferraris and and scared that
you know, they go for fairly affordable prices, sometimes, you know,
(25:57):
less than one hundred thousand dollars for cars that looks
so clean and beautiful, And I figure the reason that
they go for so little, the same is true of
like a Bentley Continental, right, is that the buyer is
going to inevitably have to put tens of thousands of
dollars into it. I think of your Roles, Royce, and
I'm and it kind of assures me that maybe I
(26:18):
won't have to. But I saw this nineteen eighty five.
It's a European spec Ferrari three eight.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Gts, so pretty to me.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
When you say Ferrari, this is what I think of. Yeah,
because I grew up watching magnum Pi and I desperately
want one of these cars ever since I drove that
three fifty five, which is admittedly a newer version. I've heard.
I've heard that wail I used the gated shifter, and
(26:47):
I want one myself. But this guy has what looks
like the cleanest three o eight you've ever seen. And
he says in the comments that he hasn't changed the
timing belts in thirteen years. Thirteen years.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I see that.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's insane because you're supposed to. Ferrari said you should
change him every three years. And then people are like, eh,
you know, every five years is fine. Maybe if it's
a newer belt, they last longer, I guess. So you
can get away with six or seven.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But those are going to need some attention.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, And then and then I have this fear that
it's going to cost ten thousand dollars. But apparently you
don't have to take the engine out of this thing.
And some brave souls just order a belt and do
it themselves in the garage.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Wow, that's what they just watch a YouTube video or.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I'll post this, by the way, I'll post this.
I'll post a picture of this on my Instagram so
you can see how beautiful. Plus there's a couple of
days left in the auction, so you can tell me
if I should bid or not.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And this has no recorded accidents, no thirty nine thousand
miles shown.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yep, it's a I mean, I'm sure it's not going
to be a fast car, right, it's less than three
liters v eight it's since it's a car from nineteen
eighty five, it has I think two hundred and thirty
horse power, it says in the ad somewhere nice.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But you know what it's it's so cool, doesn't It's
so light.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's so cool. And the point of it is, you know,
when I think you made a comment last week about
the Porsche Cayenne EV, Barry Ridholtz is like, oh, it's
over a thousand horse power, and Porsche has been Porsche
has been posting on Instagram that it goes zer to
sixty and whatever two and a half seconds. But you
made a point that microwave is going to cook your
food faster.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
And yet and yet here we are out in the
backyard drilling it up.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So I don't care about the speed. I just want
to have the sound and the vibes and the experience
of getting there totally. On the other hand, I don't
want a basket case, right. And the other problem with
this for me, this is where the height comes into it.
I'm six three. I think Tom Selleck was six', four
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so a little bit taller than. Me but Apparently magnum
P i was filmed for eight great. Seasons what an amazing.
Show And ferrari Initially magnum Or Tom selick sorry wanted
To porsia nine to twenty eight And porsche refused to
give them a car for the. Filming, WHY i don't.
(29:19):
Know porsche, was As Doug DeMuro, Says porscha was like
a hobby shop that wasn't a real business at the.
Time it was just a group of guys that liked
to make cars In, germany SO i guess they didn't
see the business. Opportunity, ferrari on the other, hand was, like,
yes we'll give you a new car every. Season so
every season they gave him a three. Eight that, way
it was updated and MAYBE i don't know how late
(29:40):
the show, went maybe it went to a three twenty eight.
Eventually but the one thing that they had to do
to customize the car was they had to shave the
foam off the seat and then put in new rails
to move the seat even further back than it. Was
oh interesting because and also anytime they Filmed Tom selik
in the, car they had to take off the target
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top because still his head didn't fit under the.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Roofline, well that is a real consideration and what got.
Me my first classic car THAT i owned was AT Sl.
Mercedes and the, reason the true reason WHY i never
kept that car for very, long was because it was
too short for. Me AND i think it's had some
seats that weren't, original and they were too they were,
(30:28):
overstuffed BUT i COULD i could never get comfortable in
it because my head was touching the. Roof so it's
a valid concern because that just completely colors your whole
experience with the. Car if you're not comfortable in that,
seat even if you can technically fit into, it it
JUST i get it all.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Right that covers the classic cars we're going to talk
about the new stuff when we come. Back, well the
new new Is hannah's trip To Las. Vegas she went
to see The formula one. Race we'll hear all about
the dramas surrounding that In Sin city and The volvo
E x ninety and ex thirties that she's. Driving I'm
(31:06):
Matt miller With Hannah. Elliott you're listening To Hot. Pursuit
I'm Matt miller With Hannah. Elliott you're listening To Hot.
Pursuit AND i never thought we would do one segment
where we went Mentioned volvo And formula one in the same. Sentence,
yeah BECAUSE i, MEAN i feel LIKE i remember when
(31:30):
Hat Kan, samuelson who was A ceo and NOW i
think is THE ceo again Globally they brought him. Back
at one point he said they never need to make
their cars go over one hundred and eighty kilometers an.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Hour, oh, interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Because they felt like their client tell wasn't that's not
why you buy A, volvo which is. Fair, interesting which is,
Fair although it just kind of bummed me out because you,
know in the autobahn where you would you, know seeing Many, Volvos,
yes a lot of places you want to be able
to do two.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
HUNDRED i also think some of the wagon bro contingent
could really get into going quick in A Volvo wagon right, Right.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And now that you have THE ev, versions they do
go very, fast much like The KYENNE. Ev you, know
they have the instant torque like EVERY, ev and they
probably can do zero sixty in less than an Old.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
CARRERA i have to, say you may be disappointed.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Again all, Right so let's let's hear about the E
x ninety because the design is. Gorgeous it's, RIGHT i love.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
IT i think if you have to get a big,
suv especially if it's an electric, suv you could do
far worse than The VOLVO ex. Ninety if we're going
to talk about that one. FIRST i don't know HOW
i feel about the wheels the ONE i. Drove they're
very blade. Like they're of course optimized for aerodynamic. Efficiency
(33:00):
let me know what you, Think. Matt when you pull it,
UP i will say to your. Point now THE ex
ninety comes. In you, know a twin motor and a
twin motor. Performance they both cost over eighty thousand, dollars
which is a little bit, expensive and they both weigh
about six thousand, pounds so a lot of the power
(33:21):
that we get from the electric battery is eaten up
by the. Weight And volvo is saying on the website
that zero to sixty is five point seven, seconds which isn't.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Idea it's not lightning, quick but it's still light. Quick
it's faster than That ferrari zero.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Sixty, yeah BUT i think we both know which one
we'd want to we'd rather be seen. In. Yeah but
but all that to, say if you're going to get
a big electric, SUV i think The Volvo ex ninety
is a really strong. Performer you should certainly consider. IT
i actually love the, interior which is very it's very.
(34:02):
Minimal there is a big screen in the, center but
they really keep it to one screen and the rest
is very light and. Airy AND i will be posting
pictures of these on My instagram account It's Hannah ELLIOTT,
xo so you can, see for, instance the wheels and the.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Interiors the wheels are like, pinwheels you, know do.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You like that or? No i'm not necessarily a. Fan,
Yeah AND i did ask On instagram like if people like,
them and a lot of people do like, them SO
i understand there is an, appeal BUT i also, thought
on a different, note the interior of THE x ninety
was really beautiful. Too they they are not using leather,
(34:43):
now they're using all natural textures and renewable. Materials and
the interior seats of this car are like a really.
Beautiful it looks like. Cashmere it's. Not it's a. Gray
it's a very nice.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
SHOP i like the sculpted look of the seats me.
Too WHEN i hear that it's not that they're not using,
LEATHER i always go back to your comment on luxury
where you point out that they have to be real. Materials, Now,
okay if it's cashmere or if it's you, know any
kind of wool or, cotton that's a real sure. Material
and they, Do i'm sure use real. WOOD i mean
(35:18):
it looks like they could use teak wood in.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Evolvough, yes AND i KNOW i need to check on,
this but in previous vehicles they've also used like cork,
before which is. Interesting and also there are some COMPANIES
i think will bost on this too where they use
like recycled paper. Products in THE ex thirty that's the
smaller electric suv THAT i also. Drove they did an
(35:41):
interior with recycled denim THAT i also thought looked very.
Cool and THE ex, thirty if we're going to pivot
to that for just a, second it actually starts at
thirty eight, grand a little over thirty eight. Grand it's
like thirty eight three point fifty something in, there WHICH
i can't. Believe it's that inexpensive of a price for
(36:05):
AN EV. Suv it's a, small, small BUT i thought
that was really.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Fair, WELL i mean it depends right how much of
it is made In china would be my first question
to THE.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Ceo does that? MATTER i mean it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Doesn't it doesn't, matter LIKE i don't care about the.
Region but you, know a lot Of americans will have
a problem with. THAT i should, say it doesn't matter to, me,
okay but a lot of people will have real problems with.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
That AND i think THE ex, THIRTY i should, say
sorry to, interrupt the E x thirty is made In.
Belgium THE ex ninety is made In china and Also,
Ridgeville South.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Carolina wait do you KNOW i mean the other the
other way? Around THE ex thirty is made In. Belgium
oh it, Is, YEAH i, See because they had produced
it in jang Ji kao In, china AND i guess
they're shifting, things, yes but of course all those owned By,
jili which is WHY i would ask the. Question, sure of,
(37:07):
course AND i don't care where it's, made BUT i
do want it to be. Quality and you just maybe
it's a stereotype that's informed by. PREJUDICE i just feel,
like where'd they make them? Before goldenberg And?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Sweden, YES i just well they still they still make
some of their vehicles. There it's not.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
These just you get the sense that those old like
two forties were over engineered and incredibly high. QUALITY i
drove my two forty Station wagon FOR i think two
hundred and fifty thousand miles without. Oil.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Amazing, WELL i was going to ask if The china
thing for you was more of a political stance or
more of a quality of.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Materials, no one hundred percent. QUALITY i have no political.
Issues AND i also recognized that in some in some,
ways The chinese have mastered copy being production methods as.
Well so for some, products you, know they make them
just as well as anybody.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Else everybody says that b Wyde e cars in particular are,
astounding AND i really want to get into. One, yes
anyone says it's. INCREDIBLE i hear.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That FROM us CEOs. So but there's something that a
lot Of americans will not appreciate about A chinese made.
CAR i, mean for one, thing you, know labor standards
just are not the same In china as they are
in The western. World so it depends how you feel
(38:36):
about what people are getting, paid what they're being made to.
Do but that's a one way to keep the cost,
down you, know and that's for, decades that's what we've.
Done so it's. INTERESTING i just to me the combination
of not engineering it for, speed keeping the cost down
by doing a lot of manufacturing In, china and THEN
(38:59):
i look at the, interior which the design of it
has always been, beautiful but they kind of miss the
mark on the infotainment with me every. Time and in
the new vehicle as. Well The ex ninety has a,
giant you, know vertical screen like a big forward lightning
or like A dodge you, Know RAM, trx which are
(39:20):
Not i'm not SAYING i don't like those, products BUT
i don't like this huge vertical screen like someone just
glued an iPad to the middle of my. DASHBOARD i.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
AGREE i actually do agree with, that AND i also
IT i think it's a miss that you have to
go in multiple layers into the screen in order to
adjust side, mirrors in order to address the steering. Wheel
you have to literally punch through multiple layers in that
system before you can even. ADJUST i DON'T i think
(39:47):
that's a. MISS i think you should have some sort
of Tangible.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
YEAH i, mean we've talked about it a million, times
AND i think most automakers are realizing they need to
turn this. Back it's just. Hard it takes forever to do.
It and but it's a great contrast To formula one
because they've got a button for everything in those.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Cars, yeah they. Do and it was kind of a wild.
WEEKEND i, mean we don't have to report the. News
everyone knows max verstaff in one and also kind of
now has a chance to win the whole thing or
two races, left so it Was, ah both McLaren cars
were cancer or were. Disqualified they were, canceled they were,
(40:27):
disqualified and the main race that.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Round has not been canceled.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yet, no, no he has. Nothing, yeah well yeah. Exactly
BUT i will say this weekend AT f one was so.
Intense the amount of corporate partnerships matt that are happening is.
Insane And i'm not just talking about the one billion
dollar partnership WITH lvmh And mattel And Hot. Wheels i'm
(40:57):
also talking about The lego, partnership the Hell kiddie partnership
WITH f One, academy WHICH i have a lot of
mixed feelings. About.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
WAIT f One academy is for women, racers?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
RIGHT i hate THE i hate the term women.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Racer, okay so that is.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Offensive, no it's not your, fault but this term is.
Racer but they're not allowed to be a.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Dude, right they can't be a?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Dude why is the default? Dude you don't say women?
Doctor you, know because lady? Journalists?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
No? Because, okay, okay but Listen formula, one the main,
series there's no gender. Limit you can be whatever gender
the team, wants, right.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well the trans.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Driver what in IN f One academy there is a
specific gender that you have to be or identify as
before you're allowed to. Race? Right AM i wrong about? That?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
No you're not. Wrong, Okay so This i've turned this
over in my head since they announced. It it's led
By Susie wolf who's married To Total, wolf who we all.
Love we Love, susie we Love. Toto they're a power.
Couple they're.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Amazing they smell.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Delicious, yes they've gotten so well, dressed clean teeth and polished,
hair and they sleep it every night ten hours and they're.
Perfect BUT i have so many mixed feelings about this whole.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
ACADEMY i think it's.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Great why it's. Segregated it. Is i'm instantly going to
take the opposing view of, you just because it's my knee.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Jerk thank. You but it is. Segregated BUT i think
it's okay to do it for a little while while
women need a leg, up or rather a more specific
funnel to get them onto the Real Grand prix center.
Stage because right now there's probably some kind of Institutional.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I'm, twitching keep, going keep.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Going sexism that exists and keeps them out of them.
Event i'm trying my hardest to argue what from the left, Here.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
So how does keeping them in their own series fight
the sexism that is keeping them out of the main.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Event, yeah, NO i don't disagree with.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
You here's the here's the PROBLEM i have with.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
It even worse is Getting Hello kitty to be a.
SPONSOR i agree to be.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Pink, well it's so. Infantilizing, infantilizing, YES i on The Hello.
Kitty i'll address that. First The Hello. KITTY i, understand
on the one, hand you're trying to get little girls
excited about, racing So Hello kitty makes, sense and you
have A Hot wheels, Partnership you've got A lego. Partnership
Hello kitty is another, toy, sure but there's something just
(43:44):
kind of revolting to me as a red blooded woman
to have a pink baby Doll Hello kitty attached to
the women's only Driving academy because it gives yet another
avenue to just brush it off as it's for, girls
(44:07):
AND i think you want to be taken seriously as
a racer and as a, driver and you don't want
to give any opportunity to just be brushed. Off AND
i feel like there's a little bit of a we
can pat ourselves on the back as f one because
we've created this, academy so we've done the good, thing
(44:27):
and we're supporting women and we're supporting our, goals and
now we can move. On and it seems it's not.
Performative it's bringing in a lot of, money and it's
allowing people, like for, Instance Leah, block who's actually going
to leave. This she announced she was leaving the. Series
this Is Ken block's. Daughter Ken block is an amazing.
Driver Jim conney. Exactly his daughter has been in the
(44:50):
series for. Tears she's actually leaving the, series she. Announced of,
course it gives them exposure and. Experience but here's the.
Problem Leah block does off road, riding driving and. Rallies
she had not even been brought up racing or driving in,
carts and she was coming at it from a completely different.
(45:11):
Avenue why not just get little girls in carts the
same as little boys would be in. Carts why do
YOU i don't here and the other.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
THING i don't. DISAGREE i just feel like.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
They're probably smarter in the same, avenues.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Better equipped people to take the other side BECAUSE i
think YOU'RE i think You're it's just it's in a
lot of, senses it's reverse.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Almost, yes it can bring in it can bring in.
Money it's certainly good for partnerships that will bring in.
Money but here's another. Problem On friday night or was It,
saturday you, know the. Sorry, saturday they had a, suit
they had the academy drivers out on, track and two
(45:57):
of them crashed into each other before the race even.
Started and that to me is a sign that they're not.
Prepared to, me how are they not being supported by
their trainers and their teams that they're crashing before the race.
Starts how is that good for? Anybody AND i don't
even fault the. DRIVERS i fault they're not being. Prepared
(46:19):
so this may maybe gets me in, trouble BUT i
IN i want to obviously see some women formula, drivers
But i'm not sure this is the.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
AVENUE i hear. You ALTHOUGH i will say that even
the most experienced drivers can have those kind those kinds of.
Accidents In MOTO gp last, weekend we saw an accident
on the starting grid before the race started because one
(46:52):
rider ran into another he just wasn't like paying. Attention,
yes and both of those riders were, experienced have been
In MOTO gp for years and. Years, yes so it does.
Happen but, yeah and you're totally, right.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's, true and it does. Happen it could happen to,
Anyone it could happen To Lewis. Hamilton but the problem
is those. Drivers they have to be like, above they
have to be perfect, because as any woman, knows when
you're in a field that's dominated by men and you're
one of the few, women every mistake you make is
(47:29):
going to be a reason to not let you. In
and it's, unfair but it's, true and it's like EVERY
i remember WHEN i started riding about. Cars one editor
WHO i really love and, RESPECT i told, me don't
wear baseball hats when you're on camera because you're young
and you're a, woman and it makes you look even.
(47:50):
Younger and the bottom line is people are going to
look for any reason to discredit, you discount, you not pay,
attention and don't give any reason not. To AND i
don't know if that's fair or, unfair but that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Reality WELL i applaud, You Hannah. Elliott and on that,
NOTE i say we bring this conversation to a. Close
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Speaker 1 (48:38):
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car related, necessarily but.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You can every day on show every day from nine
am to eleven, am open interests On Bloomberg. TELEVISION i
occasionally make remarks about. CARS i, mean automotive trade is global.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Trade you got a face FOR, Tv.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Matt and actually TODAY i was talking to a global
strategist At Morgan stanley and she was talking about a
recent trip To china and THE ai chip making. BATTLE
i brought up The Porsche KAYEN. Ev you, know because,
yes because you know the. IDEA a lot of, people
(49:35):
a lot of the angry commenters on social media have, said,
look this is a giant SUV v that looks, MEH
i might as well buy something From, china you, know
if this is What i'm going to get From. Porscha
AND i asked her if the same was true of you,
KNOW ai, chatbots because she was, saying a lot of
(49:55):
them work just as, well if not better than CHAT
gpt OR m AND i, three but are more, efficient
costs less and use less, Energy so you might as
well Choose. China is that what she?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Said?
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah and she also told me that she had been
in the Shoo me factory this she told me off,
camera and that she was really impressed by the, design
by the build, quality and she had test driven one
at the factory and, said you, know obviously the acceleration
is just great in that ev like it isn't any
(50:32):
Other SO i thought that was pretty. Interesting we've got
to get over. There, otherwise don't don't watch my. Show
I'm Matt miller along With Hannah. Elliott we'll back in
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Speaker 1 (50:42):
Week
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I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is Hot Pursuit coming up on today's podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm back from Las Vegas after attending the Formula one
Grand Prix, and I'll tell you all about that experience.
It was quite an experience. Also my latest headache with
the rolls, and I've been driving the Volvo X ninety
and EX thirty and Matt, I know you want to
hear about that.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, I very much care, especially about that last part,
because you know, my wife had a Volvo XC ninety
for a two year lease and she loved it so much.
But for me, the as I'm sure I've told you
a million times, the two liter four cylinder just wasn't
cutting it. And we had the hybrid version, so like
(00:58):
it was the most powerful possible Volvo, but that part
of it felt so unluxury to me that I convinced
her to get a Mercedes instead. Now that has come
with its own issues, most of them incredibly expensive issues.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
That headlight, I remember you mentioned headlight five grand.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So so she has now vowed to go back to
Volvo because she's she loves the design I don't disagree
with her on that issue. Same but I think that
the EX ninety could solve the powertrain poverty that I
experienced in the XC ninety, So I'm interested. Plus, we
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into the Hot Pursuit mail bag for your comments and
answer some of your questions as well as thank you
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Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. And typically, of course
we write back. Sometimes I've noticed like I won't write
back for a couple of months.
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We will though in the end.
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Yeah, because one guy wrote in with a couple of
guest suggestions and I took them to heart, and I
actually have booked the guests, but I never like got
back to him and said, dude, great idea. Thank you
for the segment.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So so we should consider this the response.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I'm excited to say. Nick Pinchuck, the CEO of snap
On Tools, is going to join us at a later.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Date, and this was one of the recommendations.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, it was a recommendation. Yeah, you know, I've had
him on my television show. He's a very outspoken CEO.
But also, like what an iconic brand snap On. You know,
if you're watching a race, or if you're watching a
movie about a race, or if you're watching you know,
a movie about a mechanic, or if you're in an
(02:59):
auto show like snap On, it's everywhere, right, I mean, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I admit I was not intimately familiar with the snap
On universe, but I'm I know the name, and I
sort of vaguely knew, oh yeah, that's that's okay, Yeah
I get it, but I'm not I don't know the details.
So I'm actually really curious and excited to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
All right, So well, you know that that's coming up
to me. Snap On represents the pinnacle of tooling, and
I you know, especially having a lot of old Ducats,
spend a lot of time in the shop, and those
guys swear by these tools. Plus I watch a lot
of movies about races and you always see the logo everywhere,
(03:39):
But I could never find any to buy because they don't.
They're not for sale at you know, like your local
hardware story. It's like a B to B. It's real
really for professionals.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
So professional grade exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So occasionally I'll see the snap on delivery truck, you know,
throughout the years, I'll see it here and there, like
if I'm on a road trip or if I'm you know,
driving somewhere, and I always will pull over and try
and find the driver.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Why because you just want to grow out with him.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know, because if you find the truck and the
guy has time, he will sell you tools.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So sometimes I'll see it and like I have a
couple hundred bucks in my pocket, and I'll pull over
and I'll buy like a screwdriver, you know, because they're expensive.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So this is this leads me to ask, how much
cash do you typically carry at any given time on tools?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
It's not for that well, it sounds.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Like you're casually just dropping a couple hundos, like on
a tool.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I have to I carry, you know, cash. I don't
know why I carry. I don't usually need it, so I'll.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Kind of a thing. Some people are very into carrying cash,
and some people are like.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I want to always have it. I want to. Ever
since my college days, one of my older fraternity brothers
was like, I always keep it hidden hundred yeah, and
so I always do the same thing, Like with a
couple hundred bucks, I'll keep you know, two or three
c notes folded up in a secret place in my
wallet and that way, whenever I run into a snap on, dude.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I have the money.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Make my day, all right?
Speaker 2 (05:06):
What else should we get straight into the to the
mail bag? Yeah, we've had some really good emails lately.
One of them is from my brother in law. I
don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Let me pull it up love to say what the
he hello? From Matt's brother in law.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean you can go ahead and read it.
The thing is, I know that he listens every week,
and I love the guy. He's a genius. He has
an amazing business and he has even better taste. But
I'd never really like bring him up on the podcast.
And he's like, dude, why aren't you calling me out?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
You know you know what? And are we going to
say his name, Louise, We're going to say, Okay, so
we're saying it. Well, Louise, thank you for really a
very kind and thoughtful email. I love how you say
that you really like the contrast between us, that Hannah
is more find and euro oriented. Well, Matt shows his
(06:02):
brutal love for American muscle and pickup trucks. I have
to admit that I'm right in the middle. That makes
me so happy to hear because that's authentically who we.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Are, true, and he is get along.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He's get along.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
You know. Louise is from Spain, but he's an architect
working in la And I think it's great that he
has a pickup truck. That was the first vehicle that
he bought here because he's wanted to, I think, integrate
better with American culture. Plus, he's a surfer, so he's
always carrying the board around. And then but since he
has this like elite level.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Of taste, yes, well he's European, yes.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
And he I know he's he got advice from you
and Magnus and he picked up this amazing nine to
eleven sc it's nineteen eighty two SC three. Yeah, and
it's so cool to watch his business grow and to
watch him collect these these things. But one of the
(06:59):
one of the other things he talks about in his email,
and that we got more emails about. Is the Audi
R S six that I drove, yes last week. I
I can't stop thinking about it either and in both
the good So the good for me is that it
can haul so much and it's so quick, and I
think the design is beautiful. I wish more people And
(07:19):
I think you said this would drive station wagons than SUV's.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, get out of the arms race.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
On the other hand, it's Audi has always had this
tagline what is it?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think it's duschebrung doush no foresprung dousch technique, which
is like advancement through technological you know, I got the
technique for sprung Dusche technique. Yeah. And the thing is
that's always been scary to me because this stuff breaks
and it just again it costs a lot of money
to fix and they have had issues.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Okay, So I really can't comment on that because I
haven't haven't ever owned an Audi, so I don't I
don't know if that's you know it sound. I have
to take your word for it, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, or we got we got an email yes from John.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I was just looking at that, so why do.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
You go ahead? And tell us what John has to say.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
John John says that he really agrees with you, Matt.
We were talking last week about the MMI, the sort of.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Uh infotainment system correct.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Inside the Audi, and I was saying that I really
didn't like the fact that you have to push pretty
hard on the screen for it to register. You can't
just brush it anyway. Matt loved it, and John agrees
with Matt. He is a five AUDI owner And that
is one thing that I really realized. People who love
oudies buy outis and keep buying outis they really stay
(08:43):
in the family. So that really is quite a testament.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But he had an issue, yes, with his first Q eight,
and this guy has gone through a couple of them exactly.
The engine had, I guess, some kind of scroll problem
which blows up the whole block. But he managed to,
through I think a lot of blood, sweat and tears,
(09:06):
get it returned in some way, shape or form. Not
that the you know, overall company took it back, but
the dealership and then he bought a new one, which
is like if I have a problem where my engine
blows up and I've only done like six figures, Yeah,
especially since they cost six figures. I think I would
be a little bit shy to buy another one.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I know, but again I'm OUTI does really engender
some loyalty for the people who really love them. Also,
I have to say, did you look at this photo
that John sent us. Yes, it's a picture of he
and his younger brother in about nineteen seventy six, and
it's the cutest, most Norman Rockwell style photo of two
(09:49):
little boys in front of a seventy three Mercedes Binz SL.
I can't tell which which SL, but maybe love it.
I can't anyway, it's I love it. Thank you for
sending that.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
By the way, I love it when people send pictures,
obviously of their cars. And like our buddy Don, who's
helping me along in the nine to eleven Air Cold
nine to eleven search, has also sent pictures of his
Porsche's in the past, and he writes in this week
(10:22):
to say I should get an SC or the Carrera
three point two. He thinks that's the sweet spot and
I don't disagree. So between like nineteen seventy six and
nineteen eighty eight they I think is about the time
period where they built the sc and they were also
they were also treating the crossary so it won't rust
(10:44):
from nineteen seventy six on, and then the career three
point two. Everyone knows it's famous because people care a
lot about getting the G fifty transmission. I don't think
it's that much better than the nine fifteen, if you sure,
if you work in the nine fifteen. But I've been
hearing that a lot, although I didn't. I heard something
different from Magnus. He likes everything pre nineteen seventy four well,
(11:04):
and I.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Think Don would agree with that, because Don, in your
note you actually say the newer cars may be quote
unquote better, but they're also heavier, more complex, and really
that is true. There's something very elegant about the simplicity
of the earlier cars, both in how they drive, but
then also in maintaining them. I mean, the whole thing
(11:26):
about Porsche parts being interchangeable is really the bit the
foundation of what a lot of people, at least in
California and elsewhere. That's what got them into actually working
on their own Porsches, because on the earlier cars it's
all the same components. You can go to a swapmeat
or a flea market and buy what you need and
(11:46):
put it in yourself. It's easy, you can work on it,
and that's part of the joy. So I do see
the appeal of the earlier cars.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
No, I have one hundred percent I see that appeal.
My main concern is that I won't be able to
fit in the older cars, although I should say my
brother in law is I think exactly my height, so
if it fits, oh totally I should. Also if Magnus Walker.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Fits, it's about your height.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I should fit as well. I had been toying with
the idea of just going back to a nine nine one,
which has really had before. And I think it's interesting
that you guys love your turbo so much because I've
been reading so much about the different generations one point
one and nine nine one point two where they go
from the naturally aspirated basically three point eight leader in
(12:33):
line six two a turbo charged three leader, and apparently,
well I know this also from experience, the turbocharged version
is a totally different drive, Like you're not chasing the
revs higher, trying to constantly make it scream.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
As many people say. You don't have to rev the
nuts off it to get any type of performance and
that is really true. The thing about the earlier turbos too,
is they're not great cars in the canyons because you
have to keep the revs so high, and there's there's
such long shifting cars. They they're not as fun to drive.
(13:09):
They're harder to drive, they're hard to get You really
have the rev the nuts off to get power where
you need it. And also counterintuitively, you have to downshift
a lot of time, a lot of the time to
go faster. So it does take some no how, and
they're just not naturally as suited. They're great for wider, longer,
you know, straight roads.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
So you mean the nine thirty that you guys have
earlier is not as good in the canyons, correct, But
the new ish turbo that you have.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Oh, you're talking about modern cars. So sorry, I just
I heard turbo and I'm thinking nine thirty.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
No, no, I mean, so you guys got that nine
to nine to one turbo, right, which that's a dot
one but okay, but it's a turbo car.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yes, yes, it's a Turbos. The King of the Hill
at that and now I think it's at two oh
six actually. Yeah, So all this to say we should
do that nine to eleven Buyer's Guide.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, we got it.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I think people want it.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
They definitely, Well, it's certainly the ones who write to
us do. Like we got a message from a dude
named Dale and it just says in the subject line
use p car podcast and then the messages please do
this period, thanks period.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I love it. Get right to the point, Reveny. You
know what, I also find the shorter the email, the
more powerful the person because they get right to the point.
They don't have a lot of time, so you know,
Dale might actually be pretty high up the totem pole.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
That's right, all right, So we will do that, and
again we thank you for writing in. We will continue
to read Digest and respond to your emails, and when
we come back, we'll hear about Hannah's Rolls Royce problems.
By the way, speaking of classic cars that have issues. Plus,
(14:50):
I'm going to get her advice on the Volvo issue.
Welcome back to Hot Pursuit from Bloomberg Radio. I'm Matt
Miller here with Hannah Elliott and Hannah, you continue to
have problems with your Rolls Royce, with one of your
Rolls Royces. First of all, is it the same one that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, this is a continuation, yes, of the same one,
which is a seventy five Silver Shadow long wheelbase. It's
the first one that I ever got, and it's the
one that I actually drive the most unless I have
a press car. And it seems like it's a lot
of problems, but it's actually just the same problem that
(15:34):
has continually been misdiagnosed by the person working on it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Charlie, no, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So, this is the problem, and so apologies if everyone
is tired of hearing about the dysfunctional relationship with these cars.
But I actually think it's important to talk about because
I think they look very glamorous and fun and you
know the truth of it too, that everybody who owns
these nose is they do take some time and consideration.
(16:06):
And this has been a particularly annoying instance where it's
the same problem. The car was dying, like on the
highway out with no warning, and you could restart it
and it start again and drive a little bit more
than it would die. So we thought it was probably
something with a fuel injection issue, a fuel pump issue,
(16:27):
and because Charlie, Charlie Agapo, who's sort of the known mechanic.
I've used him for years. We love him. He's a
known mechanic in LA. He is really backed up. So
instead of letting our car sit at Charlie's garage for
a month or two, we want to be driving it.
We went to somebody else who's in the valley, who
(16:51):
has an earring and he might be irish, and you know,
I don't know. I can't decide if I'm going to
name him or call him out or whatever. But we
went to this the guy thinking, you know, I don't
think he's crooked. But he delivered the car back twice
quote unquote fixed. But the same problem kept reoccurring. And
(17:14):
it's the inconveniences because he's in the valley, he's not closed,
and you got to drive out there, and you got
to take two cars unless you want to put the
car on a flatbed. It's a lot of logistical things
that take a lot of time. Yeah, it's not even
the expense, it's the time and inconvenience. Really, So this
has been I think it was probably two months ago
that the car first went in. Then it takes him
(17:34):
a while to you know, find his way around or whatever.
Whatever he delivers it back to our place. Well, no,
the first time he had his shop guy start to
drive it to our place and the car broke down
on the way with the same problem that he had
claimed he had fixed. So back to the shop. That goes.
Then the second time he drops it to our place
and I go to the to drive it the next day,
(17:56):
and the same problem happens again. It turns out this
was not And meanwhile we have paid for a new
fuel pump and a few other things. Turns out this
was not a fuel pump issue. It was a simple
issue in the fuse box where there were some crossed
wires literally, and they had not addressed it was a
fuse box issue. Anyway. The third time, now that he
(18:19):
came to deliver the car, he drops it off at night,
His shop guy drops it off, and I go out
there and the whole car looks like a Jackson pollock
of white paint on the front, on the hood, on
the hood of the car. And they had parked it
out in front of our house, and they hid the
key and they let they just left it like that.
(18:42):
And I am not precious about my cars, but that
was the final straw, and I was I couldn't believe
that this person who delivered it wouldn't have enough personal
pride and dignity to let anybody know this happened. They
just thought, I mean literally it.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Was it was it actual paint.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It was some sort of white. It's like spackle. It
was obviously off the well. We called the guy and
he had to send his guy and do some sort
of like deep polish buff and they did get it off,
but it was all over the hood and it just
(19:26):
it was kind of unbelievable to me that somebody would
And he claimed what happened is quote unquote the paint
came off the back of a truck that he was
following when he was dropping the car, so it just
literally got white. It probably was stucco. I think it
was like it looked like white paint. It was probably stucco,
(19:47):
some sort of construction material that literally was sprayed all
over the front and sides of the car. I mean,
I was sputtering, well, I have so many questions handle
on please please.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
First of all, I want to point out that we
don't have a problem with guys who wear earrings.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
You know, if you're a grown if you're a grown man,
I mean, it's maybe questionable, but if you're a grown
man and a Rolls Royce mechanic, then I have to
is the is this a dedicated.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Rolls Royce shop? M hm, it is so okay, that's weird. Yes,
Then from on your side, I have never been to
your house, but I imagine you and your husband that
you have like a giant car park filled with Corvettes,
Rolls Royces and Porsche's, Like, why not leave your Rolls
(20:42):
Royce at Charlie's for three months because you don't have
a shortage of vehicles from which to choose.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I know, I know, but you tend to have favorites,
don't you. This was my favorite, and you know you
cannot explain the emotional connection. There's no rhyme or reason.
It's just the one I like and I and I
wanted it. It's a fair point, and yeah, I learned
my lesson. I will wait for Charlie.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I also wonder because I always look at these classic
or you know, decades old cars, and thank god, I'd
love to have that. But I'm because I'm because I'm
such a coward, like in so many different parts of
my life.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Maybe or why maybe or not a food.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
I'm always afraid and I always think about you and
this old Rolls Royce because you've had it for like.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Ten years, well five years, I've actually counted only five.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh yeah, but you've not had any like seriously expensive
problems with it, right, You've never had to take it
to Charlie and he's like, that'll be fifteen grand.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, No, this this whole thing, which was a two
month Rigamar role and the for sure the most I've
ever spent was five grand. Well, and that included buying
a fuel pump that wasn't needed.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And so that you're what you tell me about your
experience with these cars is what makes me lean into
maybe getting over my fears and buying one myself. But then,
I mean, this story isn't that bad because you've No,
it's not.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's not really not bad.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You've made some bad choices in order to end up here, right.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, I take full response. I've learned my lesson it.
Obviously it could have been this is very obviously first
world problem. It's not. What really bothered me was the
mentality of a person who would disrespect a Rolls Royce
and have no personal pride enough to just make a
(22:40):
call even try to cover it up. Why not try
to even the effort to try to cover it up.
And I'm like, I'm the little old lady who has
one car that she drives the chirts on Sunday, and
this is the car. And I just felt like, how
is this possible?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I totally get you know, this is the problem. Uh.
Into sixteen, I moved to Berlin and I had my
nine to eleven shipped over there, and then from the
you know, from the docks, I had it delivered to
the Portia dealership in Berlin and over there like the
(23:17):
company owns the dealerships. It's not like here with the
franchise model. And they had to make some changes to
make it road legal in Germany, and they listed all
these changes that they needed to make, said it was
going to cost ten thousand euros, and then left the
car outside in a parking lot, just completely covered in crap.
(23:40):
And I realized that they actually didn't need to make
all of those changes, and I was I couldn't believe
that they left it so dirty, and I actually was
so angry. I wrote a letter to the board. No way,
and the board confirmed my suspicion that you don't need
to make ten thousand dollars worth of changes. It's more like,
(24:01):
you know, uh, a few hundred dollars worth of things,
and that they should also clean the car, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
So there's something to that.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Making a little noise sometimes helps.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yes, there's there is something to that. And I am
not a fastidious person. I am truly. If you saw
my if you saw my house, it's it's almost gray
garden sometimes over there. But you know it, I am
not uptight about that sort of thing. But you're right.
It's it's when you're paying for a service and they're
(24:33):
already they've already messed up. The least they can do
is make sure the car is clean and.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Exactly you know, they got to clean the car.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, it just and this was like beyond cleaning. This
was I mean, I was glad that we were able
to fix the situation. But so did you get your
money back?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, I mean, they they did me right good until
I left you Will Germany. Then I had to sell
that because you know, when I moved there in twenty sixteen,
it was like a little over four thousand dollars to
ship the car, which was why I figured that's no brainer.
I'll bring the Porsche back to its home where it belongs,
you know, and drive it. Right. When I moved back
(25:17):
to the US in twenty twenty one, it was like
twenty grand to ship it back, so I thought, yeah,
I'm gonna just sell it instead. So I took it
to the same place, and partly because of me being
so disorganized, they made me a low ball offer that
(25:37):
I took. Really I kind of regret it, but I
used that chunk of that change to buy my house.
I just I just sent you this, this car that
I've been looking at, and bring a trailer. And I'm
always looking at these older Ferraris and and scared that
you know, they go for fairly affordable prices, sometimes, you know,
(25:57):
less than one hundred thousand dollars for cars that looks
so clean and beautiful, And I figure the reason that
they go for so little, the same is true of
like a Bentley Continental, right, is that the buyer is
going to inevitably have to put tens of thousands of
dollars into it. I think of your Roles, Royce, and
I'm and it kind of assures me that maybe I
(26:18):
won't have to. But I saw this nineteen eighty five.
It's a European spec Ferrari three eight.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Gts, so pretty to me.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
When you say Ferrari, this is what I think of. Yeah,
because I grew up watching magnum Pi and I desperately
want one of these cars ever since I drove that
three fifty five, which is admittedly a newer version. I've heard.
I've heard that wail I used the gated shifter, and
(26:47):
I want one myself. But this guy has what looks
like the cleanest three o eight you've ever seen. And
he says in the comments that he hasn't changed the
timing belts in thirteen years. Thirteen years.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I see that.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
It's insane because you're supposed to. Ferrari said you should
change him every three years. And then people are like, eh,
you know, every five years is fine. Maybe if it's
a newer belt, they last longer, I guess. So you
can get away with six or seven.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
But those are going to need some attention.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, And then and then I have this fear that
it's going to cost ten thousand dollars. But apparently you
don't have to take the engine out of this thing.
And some brave souls just order a belt and do
it themselves in the garage.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Wow, that's what they just watch a YouTube video or.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I'll post this, by the way, I'll post this.
I'll post a picture of this on my Instagram so
you can see how beautiful. Plus there's a couple of
days left in the auction, so you can tell me
if I should bid or not.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And this has no recorded accidents, no thirty nine thousand
miles shown.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yep, it's a I mean, I'm sure it's not going
to be a fast car, right, it's less than three
liters v eight it's since it's a car from nineteen
eighty five, it has I think two hundred and thirty
horse power, it says in the ad somewhere nice.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
But you know what it's it's so cool, doesn't It's
so light.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It's so cool. And the point of it is, you know,
when I think you made a comment last week about
the Porsche Cayenne EV, Barry Ridholtz is like, oh, it's
over a thousand horse power, and Porsche has been Porsche
has been posting on Instagram that it goes zer to
sixty and whatever two and a half seconds. But you
made a point that microwave is going to cook your
food faster.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
And yet and yet here we are out in the
backyard drilling it up.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
So I don't care about the speed. I just want
to have the sound and the vibes and the experience
of getting there totally. On the other hand, I don't
want a basket case, right. And the other problem with
this for me, this is where the height comes into it.
I'm six three. I think Tom Selleck was six', four
(28:58):
so a little bit taller than. Me but Apparently magnum
P i was filmed for eight great. Seasons what an amazing.
Show And ferrari Initially magnum Or Tom selick sorry wanted
To porsia nine to twenty eight And porsche refused to
give them a car for the. Filming, WHY i don't.
(29:19):
Know porsche, was As Doug DeMuro, Says porscha was like
a hobby shop that wasn't a real business at the.
Time it was just a group of guys that liked
to make cars In, germany SO i guess they didn't
see the business. Opportunity, ferrari on the other, hand was, like,
yes we'll give you a new car every. Season so
every season they gave him a three. Eight that, way
it was updated and MAYBE i don't know how late
(29:40):
the show, went maybe it went to a three twenty eight.
Eventually but the one thing that they had to do
to customize the car was they had to shave the
foam off the seat and then put in new rails
to move the seat even further back than it. Was
oh interesting because and also anytime they Filmed Tom selik
in the, car they had to take off the target
(30:03):
top because still his head didn't fit under the.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Roofline, well that is a real consideration and what got.
Me my first classic car THAT i owned was AT Sl.
Mercedes and the, reason the true reason WHY i never
kept that car for very, long was because it was
too short for. Me AND i think it's had some
seats that weren't, original and they were too they were,
(30:28):
overstuffed BUT i COULD i could never get comfortable in
it because my head was touching the. Roof so it's
a valid concern because that just completely colors your whole
experience with the. Car if you're not comfortable in that,
seat even if you can technically fit into, it it
JUST i get it all.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Right that covers the classic cars we're going to talk
about the new stuff when we come. Back, well the
new new Is hannah's trip To Las. Vegas she went
to see The formula one. Race we'll hear all about
the dramas surrounding that In Sin city and The volvo
E x ninety and ex thirties that she's. Driving I'm
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Matt miller With Hannah. Elliott you're listening To Hot. Pursuit
I'm Matt miller With Hannah. Elliott you're listening To Hot.
Pursuit AND i never thought we would do one segment
where we went Mentioned volvo And formula one in the same. Sentence,
yeah BECAUSE i, MEAN i feel LIKE i remember when
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Hat Kan, samuelson who was A ceo and NOW i
think is THE ceo again Globally they brought him. Back
at one point he said they never need to make
their cars go over one hundred and eighty kilometers an.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Hour, oh, interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Because they felt like their client tell wasn't that's not
why you buy A, volvo which is. Fair, interesting which is,
Fair although it just kind of bummed me out because you,
know in the autobahn where you would you, know seeing Many, Volvos,
yes a lot of places you want to be able
to do two.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
HUNDRED i also think some of the wagon bro contingent
could really get into going quick in A Volvo wagon right, Right.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And now that you have THE ev, versions they do
go very, fast much like The KYENNE. Ev you, know
they have the instant torque like EVERY, ev and they
probably can do zero sixty in less than an Old.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
CARRERA i have to, say you may be disappointed.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Again all, Right so let's let's hear about the E
x ninety because the design is. Gorgeous it's, RIGHT i love.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
IT i think if you have to get a big,
suv especially if it's an electric, suv you could do
far worse than The VOLVO ex. Ninety if we're going
to talk about that one. FIRST i don't know HOW
i feel about the wheels the ONE i. Drove they're
very blade. Like they're of course optimized for aerodynamic. Efficiency
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let me know what you, Think. Matt when you pull it,
UP i will say to your. Point now THE ex
ninety comes. In you, know a twin motor and a
twin motor. Performance they both cost over eighty thousand, dollars
which is a little bit, expensive and they both weigh
about six thousand, pounds so a lot of the power
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that we get from the electric battery is eaten up
by the. Weight And volvo is saying on the website
that zero to sixty is five point seven, seconds which isn't.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Idea it's not lightning, quick but it's still light. Quick
it's faster than That ferrari zero.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Sixty, yeah BUT i think we both know which one
we'd want to we'd rather be seen. In. Yeah but
but all that to, say if you're going to get
a big electric, SUV i think The Volvo ex ninety
is a really strong. Performer you should certainly consider. IT
i actually love the, interior which is very it's very.
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Minimal there is a big screen in the, center but
they really keep it to one screen and the rest
is very light and. Airy AND i will be posting
pictures of these on My instagram account It's Hannah ELLIOTT,
xo so you can, see for, instance the wheels and the.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Interiors the wheels are like, pinwheels you, know do.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You like that or? No i'm not necessarily a. Fan,
Yeah AND i did ask On instagram like if people like,
them and a lot of people do like, them SO
i understand there is an, appeal BUT i also, thought
on a different, note the interior of THE x ninety
was really beautiful. Too they they are not using leather,
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now they're using all natural textures and renewable. Materials and
the interior seats of this car are like a really.
Beautiful it looks like. Cashmere it's. Not it's a. Gray
it's a very nice.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
SHOP i like the sculpted look of the seats me.
Too WHEN i hear that it's not that they're not using,
LEATHER i always go back to your comment on luxury
where you point out that they have to be real. Materials, Now,
okay if it's cashmere or if it's you, know any
kind of wool or, cotton that's a real sure. Material
and they, Do i'm sure use real. WOOD i mean
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it looks like they could use teak wood in.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Evolvough, yes AND i KNOW i need to check on,
this but in previous vehicles they've also used like cork,
before which is. Interesting and also there are some COMPANIES
i think will bost on this too where they use
like recycled paper. Products in THE ex thirty that's the
smaller electric suv THAT i also. Drove they did an
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interior with recycled denim THAT i also thought looked very.
Cool and THE ex, thirty if we're going to pivot
to that for just a, second it actually starts at
thirty eight, grand a little over thirty eight. Grand it's
like thirty eight three point fifty something in, there WHICH
i can't. Believe it's that inexpensive of a price for
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AN EV. Suv it's a, small, small BUT i thought
that was really.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Fair, WELL i mean it depends right how much of
it is made In china would be my first question
to THE.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Ceo does that? MATTER i mean it.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Doesn't it doesn't, matter LIKE i don't care about the.
Region but you, know a lot Of americans will have
a problem with. THAT i should, say it doesn't matter to, me,
okay but a lot of people will have real problems with.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
That AND i think THE ex, THIRTY i should, say
sorry to, interrupt the E x thirty is made In.
Belgium THE ex ninety is made In china and Also,
Ridgeville South.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Carolina wait do you KNOW i mean the other the
other way? Around THE ex thirty is made In. Belgium
oh it, Is, YEAH i, See because they had produced
it in jang Ji kao In, china AND i guess
they're shifting, things, yes but of course all those owned By,
jili which is WHY i would ask the. Question, sure of,
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course AND i don't care where it's, made BUT i
do want it to be. Quality and you just maybe
it's a stereotype that's informed by. PREJUDICE i just feel,
like where'd they make them? Before goldenberg And?
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Sweden, YES i just well they still they still make
some of their vehicles. There it's not.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
These just you get the sense that those old like
two forties were over engineered and incredibly high. QUALITY i
drove my two forty Station wagon FOR i think two
hundred and fifty thousand miles without. Oil.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Amazing, WELL i was going to ask if The china
thing for you was more of a political stance or
more of a quality of.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Materials, no one hundred percent. QUALITY i have no political.
Issues AND i also recognized that in some in some,
ways The chinese have mastered copy being production methods as.
Well so for some, products you, know they make them
just as well as anybody.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Else everybody says that b Wyde e cars in particular are,
astounding AND i really want to get into. One, yes
anyone says it's. INCREDIBLE i hear.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
That FROM us CEOs. So but there's something that a
lot Of americans will not appreciate about A chinese made.
CAR i, mean for one, thing you, know labor standards
just are not the same In china as they are
in The western. World so it depends how you feel
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about what people are getting, paid what they're being made to.
Do but that's a one way to keep the cost,
down you, know and that's for, decades that's what we've.
Done so it's. INTERESTING i just to me the combination
of not engineering it for, speed keeping the cost down
by doing a lot of manufacturing In, china and THEN
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i look at the, interior which the design of it
has always been, beautiful but they kind of miss the
mark on the infotainment with me every. Time and in
the new vehicle as. Well The ex ninety has a,
giant you, know vertical screen like a big forward lightning
or like A dodge you, Know RAM, trx which are
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Not i'm not SAYING i don't like those, products BUT
i don't like this huge vertical screen like someone just
glued an iPad to the middle of my. DASHBOARD i.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
AGREE i actually do agree with, that AND i also
IT i think it's a miss that you have to
go in multiple layers into the screen in order to
adjust side, mirrors in order to address the steering. Wheel
you have to literally punch through multiple layers in that
system before you can even. ADJUST i DON'T i think
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that's a. MISS i think you should have some sort
of Tangible.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
YEAH i, mean we've talked about it a million, times
AND i think most automakers are realizing they need to
turn this. Back it's just. Hard it takes forever to do.
It and but it's a great contrast To formula one
because they've got a button for everything in those.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Cars, yeah they. Do and it was kind of a wild.
WEEKEND i, mean we don't have to report the. News
everyone knows max verstaff in one and also kind of
now has a chance to win the whole thing or
two races, left so it Was, ah both McLaren cars
were cancer or were. Disqualified they were, canceled they were,
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disqualified and the main race that.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Round has not been canceled.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yet, no, no he has. Nothing, yeah well yeah. Exactly
BUT i will say this weekend AT f one was so.
Intense the amount of corporate partnerships matt that are happening is.
Insane And i'm not just talking about the one billion
dollar partnership WITH lvmh And mattel And Hot. Wheels i'm
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also talking about The lego, partnership the Hell kiddie partnership
WITH f One, academy WHICH i have a lot of
mixed feelings. About.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
WAIT f One academy is for women, racers?
Speaker 1 (41:08):
RIGHT i hate THE i hate the term women.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Racer, okay so that is.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Offensive, no it's not your, fault but this term is.
Racer but they're not allowed to be a.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Dude, right they can't be a?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Dude why is the default? Dude you don't say women?
Doctor you, know because lady? Journalists?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
No? Because, okay, okay but Listen formula, one the main,
series there's no gender. Limit you can be whatever gender
the team, wants, right.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well the trans.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Driver what in IN f One academy there is a
specific gender that you have to be or identify as
before you're allowed to. Race? Right AM i wrong about? That?
Speaker 1 (41:53):
No you're not. Wrong, Okay so This i've turned this
over in my head since they announced. It it's led
By Susie wolf who's married To Total, wolf who we all.
Love we Love, susie we Love. Toto they're a power.
Couple they're.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Amazing they smell.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Delicious, yes they've gotten so well, dressed clean teeth and polished,
hair and they sleep it every night ten hours and they're.
Perfect BUT i have so many mixed feelings about this whole.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
ACADEMY i think it's.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Great why it's. Segregated it. Is i'm instantly going to
take the opposing view of, you just because it's my knee.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Jerk thank. You but it is. Segregated BUT i think
it's okay to do it for a little while while
women need a leg, up or rather a more specific
funnel to get them onto the Real Grand prix center.
Stage because right now there's probably some kind of Institutional.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I'm, twitching keep, going keep.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Going sexism that exists and keeps them out of them.
Event i'm trying my hardest to argue what from the left, Here.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
So how does keeping them in their own series fight
the sexism that is keeping them out of the main.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Event, yeah, NO i don't disagree with.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
You here's the here's the PROBLEM i have with.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
It even worse is Getting Hello kitty to be a.
SPONSOR i agree to be.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Pink, well it's so. Infantilizing, infantilizing, YES i on The Hello.
Kitty i'll address that. First The Hello. KITTY i, understand
on the one, hand you're trying to get little girls
excited about, racing So Hello kitty makes, sense and you
have A Hot wheels, Partnership you've got A lego. Partnership
Hello kitty is another, toy, sure but there's something just
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kind of revolting to me as a red blooded woman
to have a pink baby Doll Hello kitty attached to
the women's only Driving academy because it gives yet another
avenue to just brush it off as it's for, girls
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AND i think you want to be taken seriously as
a racer and as a, driver and you don't want
to give any opportunity to just be brushed. Off AND
i feel like there's a little bit of a we
can pat ourselves on the back as f one because
we've created this, academy so we've done the good, thing
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and we're supporting women and we're supporting our, goals and
now we can move. On and it seems it's not.
Performative it's bringing in a lot of, money and it's
allowing people, like for, Instance Leah, block who's actually going
to leave. This she announced she was leaving the. Series
this Is Ken block's. Daughter Ken block is an amazing.
Driver Jim conney. Exactly his daughter has been in the
(44:50):
series for. Tears she's actually leaving the, series she. Announced of,
course it gives them exposure and. Experience but here's the.
Problem Leah block does off road, riding driving and. Rallies
she had not even been brought up racing or driving in,
carts and she was coming at it from a completely different.
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Avenue why not just get little girls in carts the
same as little boys would be in. Carts why do
YOU i don't here and the other.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
THING i don't. DISAGREE i just feel like.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
They're probably smarter in the same, avenues.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Better equipped people to take the other side BECAUSE i
think YOU'RE i think You're it's just it's in a
lot of, senses it's reverse.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Almost, yes it can bring in it can bring in.
Money it's certainly good for partnerships that will bring in.
Money but here's another. Problem On friday night or was It,
saturday you, know the. Sorry, saturday they had a, suit
they had the academy drivers out on, track and two
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of them crashed into each other before the race even.
Started and that to me is a sign that they're not.
Prepared to, me how are they not being supported by
their trainers and their teams that they're crashing before the race.
Starts how is that good for? Anybody AND i don't
even fault the. DRIVERS i fault they're not being. Prepared
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so this may maybe gets me in, trouble BUT i
IN i want to obviously see some women formula, drivers
But i'm not sure this is the.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
AVENUE i hear. You ALTHOUGH i will say that even
the most experienced drivers can have those kind those kinds of.
Accidents In MOTO gp last, weekend we saw an accident
on the starting grid before the race started because one
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rider ran into another he just wasn't like paying. Attention,
yes and both of those riders were, experienced have been
In MOTO gp for years and. Years, yes so it does.
Happen but, yeah and you're totally, right.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's, true and it does. Happen it could happen to,
Anyone it could happen To Lewis. Hamilton but the problem
is those. Drivers they have to be like, above they
have to be perfect, because as any woman, knows when
you're in a field that's dominated by men and you're
one of the few, women every mistake you make is
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going to be a reason to not let you. In
and it's, unfair but it's, true and it's like EVERY
i remember WHEN i started riding about. Cars one editor
WHO i really love and, RESPECT i told, me don't
wear baseball hats when you're on camera because you're young
and you're a, woman and it makes you look even.
(47:50):
Younger and the bottom line is people are going to
look for any reason to discredit, you discount, you not pay,
attention and don't give any reason not. To AND i
don't know if that's fair or, unfair but that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Reality WELL i applaud, You Hannah. Elliott and on that,
NOTE i say we bring this conversation to a. Close
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Speaker 1 (48:38):
Kitty you can also check out my columns and stories
On bloomberg dot com and The Bloomberg business. App go
there for car, reviews events and stories that you won't
find anywhere. Else you can find it all At bloomberg dot,
com slash, pursuits slash autos. Ed, also shouldn't we say
people should watch your, Show? MATT i mean it's not
car related, necessarily but.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
You can every day on show every day from nine
am to eleven, am open interests On Bloomberg. TELEVISION i
occasionally make remarks about. CARS i, mean automotive trade is global.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Trade you got a face FOR, Tv.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Matt and actually TODAY i was talking to a global
strategist At Morgan stanley and she was talking about a
recent trip To china and THE ai chip making. BATTLE
i brought up The Porsche KAYEN. Ev you, know because,
yes because you know the. IDEA a lot of, people
(49:35):
a lot of the angry commenters on social media have, said,
look this is a giant SUV v that looks, MEH
i might as well buy something From, china you, know
if this is What i'm going to get From. Porscha
AND i asked her if the same was true of you,
KNOW ai, chatbots because she was, saying a lot of
(49:55):
them work just as, well if not better than CHAT
gpt OR m AND i, three but are more, efficient
costs less and use less, Energy so you might as
well Choose. China is that what she?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
Said?
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah and she also told me that she had been
in the Shoo me factory this she told me off,
camera and that she was really impressed by the, design
by the build, quality and she had test driven one
at the factory and, said you, know obviously the acceleration
is just great in that ev like it isn't any
(50:32):
Other SO i thought that was pretty. Interesting we've got
to get over. There, otherwise don't don't watch my. Show
I'm Matt miller along With Hannah. Elliott we'll back in
your podcast feed again next.
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