January 3, 2025 • 44 mins
Hannah and Matt talk about the new Porsche Cayenne GTS, Hannah gives an update on her speeding ticket, and Matt welcomes Magnus Walker to discuss his latest project, a Jaguar called the TWR Supercat.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and
I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Happy New Year, Welcome back from Spain.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's going to be back in this country. You don't
know what you've got till it's gone, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh, I can relate, I can relate. And yeah, I
went to I was in Denver for Christmas and happy
to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
How was the drive there? You drove there? Back from LA?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We escaped all weather. We the way over, we spent
the night in Grand Junction, and the way back we
did it in a single day, and we escaped all weather.
It was snowing in Grand Junction on our way back
and we missed it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So how does get a single day trip from day
to LA? How long does that take?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You can do it. You can do it. It's like fifteen hours.
It's fourteen to fifteen hours. The good thing is, which
I didn't realize, but there's a time change, so you
actually gain an hour of daylight going back west, which
buys you some time.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You did it in your corvette. Oh, I saw a
picture of you with a Corvette.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yes, no, that would have been actually epic. No, I
would not trust the Corvette or the Corvette's tires.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So on that track, so what vehicle did you choose.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
For this adventag chat in a Porsche Cayenne GTS, which
worked fabulously.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
A new one though, yeah, a new one. Oh I see, okay,
so you didn't choose Honestly.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We would have. The truth is, we would have done it.
We would have had a lot of fun, and I wanted,
I actually want a plan to do this another time.
We would have done it in an old car or
you know, twenty fourteen era turbo, but didn't have winter
tires on those cars, so you know, you got to
think about the rubber.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That makes sense. And the kyangts. I love that car.
For a while, they went they stepped down to the
V six, you know, to let the turbo be the
king of the jungle. But now they've gone back to
the four leader V eight, which is sounds. It's a
great motor, it's a great power plant.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It rumbles like it really lets you know, and it's
really fast. So yeah, we had fun.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There was I can't remember where I saw it. But
someone posed a question, what's the perfect cylinder size? And
I don't know if they were after power or if
they were after fuel economy, but I think the industry
has come up with essentially, if you're leaning towards luxury,
if you're leaning towards shove, half liter is kind of
(02:55):
the the sweet spot for cylinder size. So that's why
the four le V eight is such a good power plant.
Porsche uses that, Mercedes uses that. I like, you know,
the big jugs, so like I like the Harley Davidson,
like you know, two Leader or SNS two Leader twins,
(03:16):
but apparently five hundred CC's and if I'm wrong, someone
correct me has been you know, sort of picked out
by the industry in general. So a three Lider six, right,
that's what Porsche uses, or a four Leader V eight.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I also think. And I am not an engineer, so
Phil Frieda right in and educate me. But you know
that there is a end point to how much power
you can get out of any engine, right, Yeah, They're
not infinite things. And I don't want to say that
that particular configuration has been max out, but it does
(03:55):
seem like it's it's at a really evolved point and
any any further development might compromise other other factors.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right, or only yield like marginal.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Marginal, Like you're better You're better off trying to make
the design of the car lighter or more aerodynamic than
try to, you know, dial down that engine even more
and more and more for very small incremental improvements.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right, And I mean you know they keep doing it
in the search for more efficient moders. Right, So that's
why they put the turbos on and they're really high compression.
But or you go hybrid, Yeah, I mean bringing a
battery and changes the equation completely. But we should have
someone who really knows what she or he is talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, that could be one of our goals for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's in fact, if you have a guest, dear listener,
if you have a guest who's like Kevin Cameron is
the guy I would choose if the we're a motorcycle show.
But if you have like the Kevin Cameron of automotive
who can tell tell us, you know, what's the ideal
cylinder size, how far can they push it? You know,
I always say there's more. There's no replacement for displacement.
(05:14):
But at some point obviously we're not working with ten
liter eleven leter motors, so now at some point it
doesn't make any sense to get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I bet we could call our friends at BMW or
Porsche or Mercedes.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Or how come they never supply us with like a
good engineer. Why doesn't somebody I.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Think asking you shall receive and.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Stuttgart say, I think we need to give these guys
a good engineer, or maybe from Portia Andreas Pointinger, we
should try and get him on the show. And all right,
so you got this ticket on your way to Pebble.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Beach, right, Yes, and in a Lamborghini hybrid. Speaking of
hybrid's called the riveelto which.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have yet to even see one in person.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But it's a very expensive you know, six hundred thousand
dollars plus car over a thousand horse power. And yes,
I got a ticket in the course of my doing
research for our Deer readers.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It was part of the team.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yes, and so I did hire one of those legal
fix it firms to try to argue my case that
I was not driving recklessly. It was an empty road
in the in the mid morning. You don't know on
a Tuesday, and this was the first time I was
in the car. I was unfamiliar with its great power
and dynamics, so that unfortunately did not work.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Wait did but this you sent this lawyer for you
to court, right, you didn't go to court yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I was not going to go to Keen County and
argue my case on random days. It didn't seem like
a great use of time. Also, I'm not a trained
legal authority, so yes, I hired someone on the advice
of multiple people who had said that.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They had I've always had success that way. Briskally, it's
like the system is, it's a bribery system. So you
basically pay somebody who's admitted to the bar locally and
they drink beers or they'll judge all the time, so
they figure it out and you get to find a pose.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So I was gonna say that's the key. You you know,
you want to really avoid the points, especially in California,
and I don't haven't. I didn't have any points on
my license. Didn't to avoid that, and that fee was
six hundred dollars to make. I didn't know how much
the ticket was going to be at the time, but
that fee was six hundred dollars, so I thought, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, let's the lawyer was six hundred dollars. Yes, wow,
that's more than New York.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yes. Yeah, So anyway, the lawyer succeeded in getting the
court they pushed a couple times, so it was pushed
and then it was pushed again, rescheduled, and unfortunately in December,
uh were the word came back down from on high
that the ticket was not forgiven. The officer was in
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court each court date. He really had it out for me.
And I did not get the ticket reduced, and I
did get a point on my license, oh one point
one point, so that's really good. And I did get
the money back from the legal firm, who were very
sad that they didn't win the case, and they gave
me a refund. And the cost of the ticket was
(08:25):
like four hundred and eighty five dollars, which was actually
less nice than the cost of the lawyer. So it's okay,
it's fine's experience.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think you can get what four points a year,
right or six points in two years?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah? Yes, and they go away after a certain amount
of time.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, And I'm pretty sure obviously California is going to
be different than New York. But I took like a
defensive driving course, which was basically like detention in high school.
You show up, the guy shows you a video like
blood Runs Red on the highway, and and then like
you do nothing for the next four hours and you
get points reduced from your's.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I've heard of that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I might have.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I've sort of been privy to that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
All right, so well it's your first point.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's my first point.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's a notch in my belt. Yeah, So I am
going to be very careful driving because I don't want
to get more. But I thought you would appreciate that update.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I do, that's what I It's a bummer. But
I'm glad that the lawyer at least gave you your
money back because.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Completely completely, because that would have been really annoying. And
I think I am not a like a new Year's
resolution person at all. But someone asked me the other day,
what's your New Year's resolution? And I just came out
with leave the past in the past. So I think
that's going to be my resolution this year, because it
was like it just came and that tickets in the past.
(09:51):
It was from last year, and I'm actually glad it
was resolved so you can move fresh into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Nice. Yeah, I don't think I have any My nigger's
resolution is to buy more motorcycles. You know, okay, and
focus on that. You ride motorcycles, right, But I do,
But I.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Don't own one at the moment. And honestly, it's it's
not a passion like it is for you. Yes, I've
ridden for ten years, but it's not a passion in
the way that I know true riders have the passion.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I just need it for mental health. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
See, yeah, I and I that is a real thing.
It's not something that lives in my brain. But I
know that it's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
By the way I remember it, I think a couple
of weeks ago, I said my goal for twenty twenty five,
I guess I do kind of have a ka. It
was to ride motorcycles with you. Oh yes, And did
I tell you about the invitation I got for February. No,
I was invited to Austin to ride the whole new
Harley Davidson twenty twenty five lineup.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh awesome, that's great. So maybe you can go, isn't
it when in February? End of February, Okay, that could work.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It'll be my first Austin trip of the year before
the GP, which is a month later.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So cool. I'm looking forward to going to the GP too. Yes, cool,
that's great.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's so much better in America because nobody, nobody goes
in America, right, So if you go to a Moto
GP in Italy or in Spain, they're packed and even
if you get into the paddock, they're completely heaving, and
the to use a British expression, and the the pilots
want nothing to do with the public because they're just swamped.
But in Austin, since no one knows what Moto GP
(11:38):
is in America, they're empty and you can just walk
into the garages and they're everybody's happy to pose for
a picture. You know what?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That makes me think too, no line for the bathroom,
which is a very mundane thing to think.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But also yeah, for sure, no line for anything, which
is great.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I had a chance to sit down with your husband, yes,
on the eve of I heard, or on the day after, yeah,
the launch of his new project with t w R,
the the Jaguar XJS, which which I had a great
time seeing it at the Classic Car Club here and
seeing you and seeing everybody. By the way, we saw
(12:19):
Alex Roy who has just achieved the first part of
his new full self driving cannonball run. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I did.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We should have him back on.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Definitely, we should definitely have him. He's gonna do it
two more times, so he's going three times coast to coast. Anyway,
I did the interview of Magnus Walker myself and we
want to play that for the listeners right now. Thank
you very much for the invite. I had a great time.
The Classic Car Club was a really is a really
cool venue, and I was gonna say it was it
(12:47):
will be was a really cool venue.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It still is. It still is a very very cool venue.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
But they're moving right, they're all moving uptown here like
ten Bucks episode.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Anyway, it doesn't matter where it was because the highlight
was there in the center of the room. It's a
Jaguar XJS or it started life as a Jaguar XJS, right.
I think one of the more iconic silhouettes out there
with the buttresses in the back. At least other the
hardtop version. Tell me about first of all what it
(13:18):
is now, what did you turn it into?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
First of all, thanks for coming out. Great to see you,
not in the suit, which was great. We love to
say over there, it's not a JAG, it's a TWA
exactly Tom Walkinson Shaw Racing. So the new iteration of
TWI is founded by Tom's son, Fergus And for those
that don't know, Tom Walkinson Shaw British Heritage Motorsports Engineering
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race team and Tom was a racer won the British
toin Card Championship in eighty four eighty five. But the
real claim to fame is they were JAGS Motorsports Division
and they won outright at the nineteen eighty eight Lamon
twenty four hour with Jazz. TWR also helped develop the
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iconic XJR XJA fifteen and the Holy Grail JAG the
x J two twenty. These were all developed through TWR
in conjunction with JAG. So what we debuted was the
East Coast debut. The global debut was in LA on Tuesday,
November nineteenth. What it is it starts life as a
it's arrest on what I guess you'd say it starts life.
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The donor car is the Jag XJS, which we know
followed the iconic E type. The E type Jag was
the most beloved car, and the XGS followed it and
actually never lived up to the success that the E
type had. But it was in production for twenty one
years and ironically sold more units than the Jag, but
it just never had the umph and sort of iconic
status of the Jag. And it was a V twelve car.
(14:46):
I have one in nineteen eighty eight Speed twelve, so
you think it's going to be fast, but three speed
automatic in stock form, these cars are what I call lazy.
The JAG version what the TWR version is. First of all,
the engines pumped out to five point six leader six
hundred and sixty horse power, five hundred and forty foot
pounds of torque, six speed Tramac manual transmission with an
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all new wide bodied carbon fiber aerodynamic Imster inspired GT
Touring inspired seventies and eighties wide bodied conversion.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's super light, right, I think I heard a stat
that it was only thirty four hundred pounds.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Yeah, yes, it's a lot. It's light, It's got a
lot of power. It's two wheel drive. The only sort
of original components to the Dona XGS, to the engine
block which has been pumped out to five point six
from five point four. Leader horsepower has been tripled. Like
I said, the all new carbon fiber body sections and panels,
all new suspension, six pot front piston caliber breaks four
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rears eighteen and nineteen inch wields with soft sticky rubber
so it puts out powder to the ground. This is
not a track car, though, it's a GT car. As
you saw, this plenty ahead room, there's plenty of luggage
space in it, and it's extremely well put together, a
balanced car that I've been a design consultant home for
the past two years, and ironically I'm a Jag guy.
It must be like a British thing Brits abroad. I've
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owned Jags, I've owned these types and I'd always wanted
to do a hot rod x JS. I even spoke
to me in Kalum about it when he was still
chief designer at Jag, probably in the five six years ago.
Even Jack Heritage like the concept of doing this project
because no one's really messed with the XJS listers raised them.
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TWR Race them, and it's kind of a forgotten car
and a sea of resto mods. Obviously the portion nine
to eleven he is king of the hill.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You are branching out because well, at least a lot
of people know you as a Porsche guy, right urban outlaw,
and you know your warehouse, your shoes man, your shoes,
your car, so Jag it seems to me a little
bit of a diversion for you. But I guess you
(16:57):
actually have owned many cars. You've had Mopar cars, you
have a Rolls, you have a Corvette, so copying Hannah
to some extent, but you aren't just dedicated to nine
to elevens only.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
No, I'd always been that way.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
You know, I'm known as a Porsche guy, but even
twenty thirty years ago, I owned the Mopas, I had
two sixty nine super Bees out a seventy sixty five
Gt three fifty Mustang Replica. I had a seventy three
Lotus Shiopa at a seventy nine three or eight GTB Ferrari.
I like variety. So with this project, you know, when
they contacted me, not knowing that I actually wanted to
(17:34):
do this project, you know I was contacted ironically by
a former a Porsche PR marketing guy called Lee Newton
who was no longer with Porsche and he was consulting
with TWR. He shot me in an email out of
the blue asking would I be interested in working on
this project, not knowing that it was actually a dream
project and something I was interested in and obviously being
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partnered up with TWR and a capacity as a design
consultant was an exciting pro. So I'd visited them in
England and worked sort of virtually for two years helping
them through the process. Hosted the event in LA at MySpace,
got the car over to Vegas at the Win Hotel
during F one where we displayed it, and then got
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the car displayed at the LA Auto Show for the
final closing weekend after Thanksgiving. So I'd been a design
consultant and involved in the marketing production of actually launching
that car to the extent of it's going to be
here in New York for three weeks, then it goes
back to LA. We're gonna have Jay Leno drive it
and do some media stuff in LA, and.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Then it's on a tour. You know.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
The goal is the making eighty eight of them, eighty
eighty is significant because that was nineteen eighty eight when
TWR one lamon outright with Jack. So it's a bespoke
customizable car, which eighty eight units are going to be produced.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So I my take on it, which doesn't matter. But
of course, yeah, of course I think it is so sexy, finish,
product is beautiful and it's it's really it really drives
me in some ways to want to get out there
and do a night drive. And you've done a night
drive video, which I also love, so I encourage people
(19:12):
to check out your night drive video. I think of
the similarities or lack thereof with Singer because you can
buy a donor XJS for pretty cheap, I mean compared
to a nine to six four right, like five.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
To ten grand gets you behind the wheel of an
ex chess and ask me because I own one. I
bought one for seventy five hundred bucks and that experience
is okay. The TWL though, it's just on our next
level of performance.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
As great as the car looks. First of all, when
you hear.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It, the exhaust note this raspeed throaty equal length head
of V twelve exhaust note that comes out of the
side right behind the B pillar right behind your ear
is intoxicating and unexpected. And what we've noticed in the
past three weeks of showcasing this car to the press
meter and potential customers is the message is the same.
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They love the renderings, but they're so impressed with how
the actual physical car is. And that's the first actual
sort of.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Pre production car in England.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
They've been running a shakedown development car, a test mule
with all the same underpinnings, but not skinned in that
or clanding that sexy wide bodied carbon fiby body that's
on it, and it's just the stance of the car,
the silhouette, the way it all blends together with form
and function. It's aggressive styling, but it stands out. When
we had that car in Vegas at the wind Row
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in f one literally in the casino, next to thirty
million dollar McLaren f one's and various other cars, people
were drawn to it because there's nothing really like that
at that level of boxy group b Inser late seventies
early eighties looking car. It's just the stands. I mean,
it has a presence, but when you drive it, the
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way it handles and puts the power down the fact
that it's manual and you operate it with three pedals,
you know, your two eyes, your brain, and your two
undred and two feet. It's intoxicating. It covers all the
senses viscerally. You know, it sounds good, feels good, smells good,
looks good. We took it on a drive around Manhattan,
capturing some images down in Times Square, down past Rockefeller Center,
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and it's.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Just unbelievable how people look at that car.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And when you see it in New York traffic, surrounded
by all that chaos, that silhouette, it's just intoxicating. I mean,
I came back after the launch event, after the photo shoot,
just pumped.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I couldn't go to sleep. I was energized.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So the other thing, though, is you can get a
donor launcha and send it off to Italy and Camara
will make you a hot rotted version for like eight
hundred grand.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, there were thirty seven, which looks spectacular. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Or you can get the nine six four for one
hundred grand and send it to Singer or I guess
maybe they source the donor for you, but they just
charge you like two million bucks this car. Do you
feel like it's underpriced because I think it's less than
three hundred, right.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, it's definitely underpriced for what it is. For sure,
they would have sold just as many at twice the price,
so you know it is underpriced. That's all I'm gonna
say on the price.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Are they Are there customizable options?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I mean, can you yea yeah? Yeah, I mean you
know there's not a million options. You know, it's not
like the salvel Row bespoke suit of what Singer is.
There are certain options that are customizable. First of all,
the body is all carbon fiber, so you can leave
elements that a car when you can paint it body
color paint to sample color, these options with leather interior.
At this point, we're not doing like a track spec.
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It's a GT Touring spec. This predominantly is a GT
touring car. But it's good to do two hundred miles
an hour, so you know, you can customize it to
a certain degree. It's not over customizable, which reflects in
the price point of where it's at.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's you say at this point, which makes me I
want to ask, what's next. You say you're gonna make
eighty eight. I think you've already made a couple dozen right.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Well, this is the first prototype. Currently today there's over
twenty of them allocated on order. This is gonna be
a process that takes about four years, going to deliver
about twenty cars.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I see, I see.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
But down the pipeline, twall didn't just race Jags. They
race Reno's and Volvos and various other cars. So this
is the first development car of which many other will follow,
not necessarily all based on Jags.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So, but let me just ask for you. And by
the way, guests hate this on the show when they
come in for one piece of news and they say, okay,
but what's next?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Next for you? Like, what else are you thinking of?
You've done so much with Porsche's you're doing this right
now with the Jag and TWR. But you said that
you've talked to you know, you talked to Ian Callum
about this years ago. Yeah, I'm sure there are other
things in your head.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Sure, you know a great question.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What about in the automotive world do you find interesting
right now?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, I'm currently doing a project with Automobilia Pinaferina, which
is the ninety five year old world famous Italian design
house pretty much famous for designing the majority of the
classic Great Ferraris amongst other cars, and I've been collaborating
on there all electric Bautista, which some may find surprising,
that two thousand horsepower all electric Bautista that's built on
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the Rimagneva platform, creating a one of one collaboration between
one while yeah, I do, I still have it there.
It's in the office in La It's still there. So
twenty twenty five that one of one car will be
unveiled to the world. So I'm super excited about that
because TWR has been a great project and Pinafarina is
sort of also a spectacular project with a company that's
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perhaps the world's greatest design firm. So what's next for
me in the automotive world is just collaborating in a
way with other companies as a design consultant. I just
like doing cool stuff with cool people. It's not necessarily
has to be Porsche. I've designed and built a lot
of my own Porsches, you know, and there's other things
coming down the road with what I'm going to be
doing Porsches in the following year. So I like to
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stay busy. I like to stay creative, inspirations all around.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I was walking home with my buddy after the event.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's a long walk from uh.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We were walking, we were walking back to the gradge
all right, and he said that's good man. Magnus is
a servant and I was like, yeah, but you know what,
he just does stuff like when he has an idea,
he acts on it, he executes. And I think a
lot of people have a lot of ideas that just
sort of float in and out.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
The key is starting the idea. Well, first of all,
the idea, I always say, is something that can't be taught.
You can't go to school and learn ideas. You can
go to school and learn how to execute them, but
the idea really comes organically from within. And you're either
inspired or you're not if you're a creative person. And
I find creativity comes in waves and rolls. Right now,
I'm on this surgence of creativity through the projects that
(25:57):
I'm inspired to do and the people I'm collaborating with,
and I think that just keeps the momentum rolling. You know,
I've already been approached by a few other people to
help collaborate or design or consult on various other things.
So I enjoy it. It's something new to me. My
background has always been design orientated from the clothing days,
and restoring buildings and property and cars are no different.
(26:19):
It's like restoring an old building. You know, We've got
one hundred year old house in Hollywood, Hannah and I
that we're restoring. I've got a one hundred and twenty
year old building I restored. So I like projects. You know,
I always say people like to collect, whether it's cars, guitars, watchers,
whatever it may be. You know, I'm collecting memorable moments,
and these are sort of formed by collaborating with interesting
people doing cool things.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
But I think a lot of people are a lot
of people find starting a task daunting, and you just
seem to dive into something as soon as you am
I wrong about that, No.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
No, it's spot on.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I mean I think a lot of people have a
fear of failure, so they don't want to start because
they're afraid of failing.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
It's like it's a hot glass half empty or hole full.
I think for me coming to America thirty eight years ago,
I still have that same mentality of nothing to lose
in everything to gain. And I'm still inspired and I'm
still challenging myself to create, and it's not always there.
It's not like turning the light switch on. But when
something feels right, I'm one hundred percent in. I'm one
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hundred and ten percent in. And if I don't feel
that way, I'm not involved in it. You know, I
like to give my old because you know, to me,
it's just something I'm inspired to do and I want
the best for the project, like with tw are you know,
for me, I just.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Love the car. I love driving it all, love the
way it looks.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It's been a great experience for me that I hope
continues and opens the door to other other ventures and
other collaborations.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, one of the things people often say about you
is that you seem to go where the puck is
gonna go. Like you, maybe I'm where I want wondering
how do you think about that? Because you start, you know,
I don't play hockey, I don't really think about the
it's not hot, and then it becomes the hottest neighborhood.
Or you buy a car that no one wants and
(28:03):
then everybody wants that car, So like, how do you
think that turns out?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
For me, it's gut feeling you know, I'm not really
too concerned about what other people think. Like when we
acquired that building in downtown Ala in the Arts district
twenty five years ago, I've been in the Arts district
thirty two years.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I had a vision.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
I knew this place was gonna evolve because I'd been
in places like Soho and I've been in London and
LA was just behind the curve, so I'd seen that trend.
But for me, it's more about just doing things that
I personally like to do, or cars that I personally
like to collect, Like I was acquiring short wheelbase nine
elevens when you could pick them up for nothing when
no one cared. Same thing with early three liter turbos.
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So I like to experience variety in whatever market is.
I'm interested in, whether it's Watchers cars or guitars. So ultimately,
I've never bought anything as an investment. And one of
my pet peeve questions is when people say to me, Hey,
first time Porschona, what should I buy? What's gonna be
a good financially.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Which, by the way, a million people probably, And I'm like,
you're asking.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
The wrong guy, because I'm going to tell you invest
in memorable moments and smiles per mile, you know. And
they go, well, you bought cars for ten ground that
are now worth two hundred. How did that happen? I go, well,
I bought what I personally liked. I wasn't chasing a trend.
I'm not trying to hit that puck where I think
it's gonna go. I'm not thinking that way. I'm thinking
what inspires me. It's all about what inspires me, what
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motivates me, whatever I want to experience. And then later
on it seems to be it's like I'm setting the trend.
It goes back to the serious clothing days when I
designed certain things that I personally liked to wear that
then became trendy. You're either creating the trend or you're
following the trend, and trends come and go. So you know,
you know, you don't ever really want to be trendy.
(29:45):
You always want to be one step ahead of that.
But have your own style, you know. So I'm all
about expressing my own style, whether it's through buildings, art,
the way I look my hat, whatever it may be, right,
I'm adding my own personality to whatever it is I'm doing.
And that's that's a common thread to my story. The
three things that I've done with some success the clothing company,
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property development, and playing around with cars. I had no
education in those fields. I didn't got a school to
learn design or anything. Inspirations all around, whether it's colors
or textures or shapes, right, and it's how you interpret them.
Throw them in the blend of things you're interested in,
mix it up, and what comes out is your style.
Like the way I did my Porsches, I never looked
to a sort of copy what the factory had done. Martini, Livery,
(30:29):
Golf Livery. I'd take elements from American hot rods and
TV shows that I grew up inspired by, which all
revolved around cars, whether it was Starsky and Art or
Dukes of Hazard or Rockford Files or Kojak or Chips Right.
So it's a little bit of Americana, a lot of
British motor sports because that was my background growing up
watching motorsports in the seventies and eighties, sort of the
(30:51):
glory era for me, and then this sort of British
bulldog spirit of anything's possible, no one's going to stop
me doing what I'm going to do. Gets throw in
the blender on what comes out is my style. And
I've been able to create these styles, whether it was
serious clothing or the Porsches that I've designed all the property.
I've sort of developed into sort of this signature touch
in a way of just being unique by not trying
(31:14):
to emulate someone else, because that's kind of boring.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You also don't look for, at least as far as
I know, like the low mile showroom condition examples, right,
which I think is really cool. Didn't you buy a
Turbo that was had one hundred eight thousand miles on
the clock.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I bought a twenty fourteen nine nine to one Turbos
one owner car probably three years ago with one hundred
and fifty nine thousand miles in it. It's now got
almost one hundred and ninety thousand miles in it. Most
people are not interested in a high mileage Porsche, you know,
like a Turbos The average mileage is probably thirty fifty
might be high, but that's where the value is, you know.
(31:51):
So for me, I'm about back to smiles per mile.
These cars were built to be driven. When people want
to show me a collection with zero miles on it,
I have zero interesting that because.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Where's the story? You know?
Speaker 5 (32:03):
I heard you talking to mkhel about IRV Gordon and
he's three million mile Volvo P eighteen hundred. I drove
that car. Apparently I was the first guy outside of
Earth's family in his mechanic to drive that car. And
I met Ev when he was still alive, sadly had
passed away. IRV. Gordon is a New York school teacher
(32:24):
who put three million miles in a nineteen sixty seven
Volvo P. Eighteen hundred, which is documented in the Guinness
Boocker World Records is the highest mileage individually owned private
non commercial car, with three million miles in it, being
repainted a couple of times, engine rebuilt three or four times.
Volvo started keeping track of high mileage cars through the
(32:44):
dealers in the seventies. By the late seventies he had
a million miles on that So when I drove that car,
and I had met her, And ironically I met him
when he was shooting a Volvo commercial in La in
that car and he had a mechanical breakdown on my
street in front of my bill. Wow, that was how
I met him. So when I got the chance to
you know do this show. Ironically, I drove the car.
It was kind of an emotional thing because I was
(33:06):
with his mechanic, Nino, this Italian guy lives in Jersey
and it worked on the car with erv So it's like,
that was the world's greatest story. You get guys like
Jay Leno collect cars and the great storytellers and great custodians,
and people love a story. So a car with zero
miles on it, what is the story? Yeah, it's a short,
boring one, right, that's the story. I'm not interested in that.
(33:29):
How did I have gone put three million miles in
the car? He drove everywhere with it, so it's like,
why did he do that? Why did he drive? Driving's
like meditation for some people, right for me, especially, you
get on a road where the cell phone doesn't work.
Your car's so loud you can't have a conversation. I
turned my phone off and the next two hours I'm
completely disconnected. On this path, this journey. You got whatever
(33:50):
speed you want to go. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's
not clear your head nothing else matters. You're not really
thinking about anything else other than focusing on the drive.
So that's the greatest thing. About driving and why cars
should be driven, the built to be driven, right, you know,
Commuting is one thing that's where self driving autonomous electric
cars makes sense, especially you know, driving here in New
(34:12):
York City from here to Classic Cack c Librit, it's
two miles. You can walk quick and then you can
drive it. So there's some places where I'm not opposed
to electric cause autonomous driving. That's commuting. Commuting and driving
are too completely different.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, I agree one hundred percent. Without going off on
too much of a tangent. We only have a couple
of minutes left. So one final question about what you
have next, because I've watched everything you put on YouTube,
and I love the opp series and.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You got too much time on you.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I recently saw you do like a walk and talk
a single camera shot in like a Porsche graveyard. That's
just unbelievable, dude. I couldn't believe that you made it
the whole way because it's like three or four minutes long.
What's next for you in terms of media content that
I can consume, Oh, just during.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
More cool stuff. You know, I'm actually drawing a blankers
to what's next. I mean, there's there's quite a lot
of things coming up. But what is twenty twenty five
will be.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Into what was that graveyard? What was that?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Well, it's another great story. Rudy Kleine opened. He didn't
call it the junk yard. It was called Porsche Foreign
Auto Supply and it was a wrecking yard that was
formed in the late sixties, and Rudy Klein would buy
these crashed salvage, mostly Porsches and Mercedes, but along and
he had at one time over a thousand cars that
he was dismantling and pardon now in the seventies and eighties.
(35:32):
But he also collected exotic things, like he had the
only one black alloy bodied goalwing. Only twenty nine were made,
but only one was black. That ammened down for like
eleven point five million dollars. So he collected crashed wrecked
salvage pennies on the dollar, Porsche, Mercedes, Bentley Ferraris. He
passed away in two thousand and two and then the
brothers took over, and long story short, the whole junk
(35:53):
yard was auction and I think sold for over thirty
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It was a scrap yard. But what made that story
so great was Rudy Klein. How did he get all
these cause what was the story? You know?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
He's just not found And the take you're referring to
is me just rambling on about here I am, and this.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Is what it is.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
But it comes back to if you're excited and passionate
about something, you know. My favorite saying is, you know,
a spreadsheet will only get you so far. Passion gets
you where you want to go. And I was passionate
about sharing the story because ironically I'd gone to the
Junkyard many many years ago and not memoried stayed with
me like me and know of Gordon and a three
million mile evolvo. So when he's passionate about something you know,
(36:33):
it just evolves and comes out of you. What's next
for me? Only time will tell.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Well, I am grateful that you shared that story and
so many others with us, Magnus, Thanks so much for
joining us on Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Great to be here, Thanks Choos.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I find him to be an inspiring man, Hannah, and
I think you have a pretty high opinion of him yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, he's great. He's great, and I have to say
he really enjoys you, and I think you are great
at bringing out different sides of him, because sometimes, you know,
you tend to get the same questions if you're in
certain circles. Yeah, and actually this is a this is
a slightly different circle. And so it's it's it's nice,
(37:16):
like I like how you you bring out different parts.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's very cool to talk to him. And you know,
he's achieved so much, I think in part and he
would say this, We talked about this because he just
does it. You know, so many people like I'm a procrastinator.
I have all these ideas in my head and I
have all these projects that I want to start someday
and I never get around to it. I never even remember.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And but doing pretty you're doing.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
But he like just he's like, oh, I want to
make a pink sweater. I don't know, and then he
just does it. He'll just wake up in the morning
and do it. So that's, uh, that's a really cool
characteristic that I wish I had. But my wife's like that.
So what my new thing is when I have a
project or an idea, I tell her and then she executes.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I can't wait to meet her someday because I've never
actually met her yet, but she seems.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Like a real good you should go to the GP
with us in Austin.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
She's going to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
She's a bigger Moto GP fan than I am.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
So oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Well. I was going to say, what do you have
planned for next week? But even if you have bigger plans?
What what? What are you looking forward to? What's coming up?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
You know? You know, I am looking forward to being
back in New York in February. I'm coming back for
an edit meeting with the Pursuit's team of course, so
I'm looking forward to coming back and maybe we can
record some more podcast together. I am looking forward to
I'm getting a Aston Martin Vanquish press card wow for
(38:48):
the first the first half of January, so that's something
we can really discuss.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, that was fast out. Yeah yeah, I think it's beautiful.
I mean not that it's many Asid Martins aren't, but
I think it's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I know, I'm really really looking forward to driving it
and seeing what it's like, because like, they're just gorgeous cars.
So I'm looking forward to that. That'll be my first
press car. I think of the year, twelve cylinders to
kick it right, it's good. I think it's very auspicious,
and honestly, I'm really fascinated by China right now. I'm
looking forward, just like in a general sense, to seeing
(39:27):
how China affects the car industry. And I know we've
touched on this a little bit, but I just it's
fascinating as we watch what's happening over there affect what
our own domestic automakers are doing and what Europe is doing,
and nobody really knows what's going to happen, but it
(39:48):
will definitely be interesting. So I'm looking forward to watching
that unfold.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I think it is super fascinating. And you know, in
my day job where I comment on financial markets or
report on financial market and ask questions, there was a
great story about cost Nott, who's an ECB board member,
and he was making the point that if we get
tariffs put on European goods and then of course they retaliate,
(40:14):
it starts a trade war. Europe is much more likely
to turn to China, or to turn more to China
than they already have. I just spent the last couple
of weeks in Spain. There are a lot of Chinese cars,
they are already and there are clearly more coming. And
they're very good at making this like a pretty high
level disposable ev So I mean, you know, you don't
(40:36):
even need to lease it. You just buy it and
two years later you can be done with it. Not
that it, you know, falls apart, but it's just cheap.
It's just that cheap. So Colossknot was talking about Europe
basically importing deflation from China because if the EU and
the US go at it and the trade spat, you know,
and start slapping twenty forty sixty percent tariffs on each
(40:59):
other's products, and obviously automotive is first and foremost right.
They put tariffs on Harley Davidson last time in retaliation. Yes,
they're going to be buying many more byds.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Completely And it's so you know, BYD actually has a
bus factory in California. They don't make passenger cars here,
but somehow there's a loophole where they're manufacturing buses. They've
got factories in Mexico and Canada. And yet, you know,
it seems like most analysts think there's no way that
(41:31):
Chinese vehicles will be allowed to be sold in the US.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I don't know, they already are you already have. Uh,
you know Volvo and pole Star, have you know? Of
course they are still putting cars together in Gothenburg and Sweden,
but they have manufactured in China vehicles as well. By
the way, speaking of bus, have you gotten hold of
the Folkswagen the ID Buzz no Electric?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
No I have. I have not seen it. I mean
I saw a early prototype like seven years ago in
Pebble Beach that they were letting press drive like on
the beach. And that was a prototype and that was
the first and last time I ever saw one in
real life.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
That would be a cool because I keep thinking about
what you're driving to. Obviously, the Kayen GTS is a
very good choice from Elie to Denver. Yes, but the
id Buzz would be an interesting choice totally. Of course.
The first concern is charging, right, But I go back
to Alex Roy's canniball run in the Tesla. He took
off we were with him from New York City, uh,
(42:36):
and then drove across the country. I read that he
spent less than six hours charging. That's wild, that's crazy, right?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Was that on his LinkedIn account?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Posted, Yes, I got a deep dive into that because
I kind of scanned it and then post it.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
But it's a lot of details because he knows so
much about like, he's so technical, he's so into it. Right, yeah,
but wow, six hours, yeah, less than six hours charging
on a cross country trip in an electric vehicle. Now
he has the benefit obviously the supercharger network, and yeah,
but it would be interesting to see if that's all.
I mean, I feel like I would spend more than
(43:10):
six hours at gas stations, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Plus just like getting out and stretching, you know, pee breaks,
get grabbing a hamburger, you know, got to stop by
Applebee's or.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Something, letting the dog out.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, completely, Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Should get ahold of an id buzz to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, that's a great idea. And also we should have
Alex come back on like yeah some point.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well maybe when you're here in February.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
That'd be perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
We get him back in the studio. Cool. All right,
that's all we have time for today, but we'll see
you back here, same time, same place next week. Happy
New Year, Happy New year.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Right to us, thank you for listening to us. We
really appreciate you and love you, and we love hearing
from you. And this is so fun for us and Matt,
as you know, it's such a joy. So thank you. Yes,
it's been great.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Thank you very much much, Thank you, Hannah, and thank
you dear listener. I'm Matt Miller and
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and
I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Happy New Year, Welcome back from Spain.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's going to be back in this country. You don't
know what you've got till it's gone, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh, I can relate, I can relate. And yeah, I
went to I was in Denver for Christmas and happy
to be back.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
How was the drive there? You drove there? Back from LA?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
We escaped all weather. We the way over, we spent
the night in Grand Junction, and the way back we
did it in a single day, and we escaped all weather.
It was snowing in Grand Junction on our way back
and we missed it.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So how does get a single day trip from day
to LA? How long does that take?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You can do it. You can do it. It's like fifteen hours.
It's fourteen to fifteen hours. The good thing is, which
I didn't realize, but there's a time change, so you
actually gain an hour of daylight going back west, which
buys you some time.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
You did it in your corvette. Oh, I saw a
picture of you with a Corvette.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yes, no, that would have been actually epic. No, I
would not trust the Corvette or the Corvette's tires.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So on that track, so what vehicle did you choose.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
For this adventag chat in a Porsche Cayenne GTS, which
worked fabulously.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
A new one though, yeah, a new one. Oh I see, okay,
so you didn't choose Honestly.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We would have. The truth is, we would have done it.
We would have had a lot of fun, and I wanted,
I actually want a plan to do this another time.
We would have done it in an old car or
you know, twenty fourteen era turbo, but didn't have winter
tires on those cars, so you know, you got to
think about the rubber.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
That makes sense. And the kyangts. I love that car.
For a while, they went they stepped down to the
V six, you know, to let the turbo be the
king of the jungle. But now they've gone back to
the four leader V eight, which is sounds. It's a
great motor, it's a great power plant.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It rumbles like it really lets you know, and it's
really fast. So yeah, we had fun.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There was I can't remember where I saw it. But
someone posed a question, what's the perfect cylinder size? And
I don't know if they were after power or if
they were after fuel economy, but I think the industry
has come up with essentially, if you're leaning towards luxury,
if you're leaning towards shove, half liter is kind of
(02:55):
the the sweet spot for cylinder size. So that's why
the four le V eight is such a good power plant.
Porsche uses that, Mercedes uses that. I like, you know,
the big jugs, so like I like the Harley Davidson,
like you know, two Leader or SNS two Leader twins,
(03:16):
but apparently five hundred CC's and if I'm wrong, someone
correct me has been you know, sort of picked out
by the industry in general. So a three Lider six, right,
that's what Porsche uses, or a four Leader V eight.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I also think. And I am not an engineer, so
Phil Frieda right in and educate me. But you know
that there is a end point to how much power
you can get out of any engine, right, Yeah, They're
not infinite things. And I don't want to say that
that particular configuration has been max out, but it does
(03:55):
seem like it's it's at a really evolved point and
any any further development might compromise other other factors.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right, or only yield like marginal.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Marginal, Like you're better You're better off trying to make
the design of the car lighter or more aerodynamic than
try to, you know, dial down that engine even more
and more and more for very small incremental improvements.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right, And I mean you know they keep doing it
in the search for more efficient moders. Right, So that's
why they put the turbos on and they're really high compression.
But or you go hybrid, Yeah, I mean bringing a
battery and changes the equation completely. But we should have
someone who really knows what she or he is talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, that could be one of our goals for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
That's in fact, if you have a guest, dear listener,
if you have a guest who's like Kevin Cameron is
the guy I would choose if the we're a motorcycle show.
But if you have like the Kevin Cameron of automotive
who can tell tell us, you know, what's the ideal
cylinder size, how far can they push it? You know,
I always say there's more. There's no replacement for displacement.
(05:14):
But at some point obviously we're not working with ten
liter eleven leter motors, so now at some point it
doesn't make any sense to get bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I bet we could call our friends at BMW or
Porsche or Mercedes.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Or how come they never supply us with like a
good engineer. Why doesn't somebody I.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Think asking you shall receive and.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Stuttgart say, I think we need to give these guys
a good engineer, or maybe from Portia Andreas Pointinger, we
should try and get him on the show. And all right,
so you got this ticket on your way to Pebble.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Beach, right, Yes, and in a Lamborghini hybrid. Speaking of
hybrid's called the riveelto which.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have yet to even see one in person.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But it's a very expensive you know, six hundred thousand
dollars plus car over a thousand horse power. And yes,
I got a ticket in the course of my doing
research for our Deer readers.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
It was part of the team.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yes, and so I did hire one of those legal
fix it firms to try to argue my case that
I was not driving recklessly. It was an empty road
in the in the mid morning. You don't know on
a Tuesday, and this was the first time I was
in the car. I was unfamiliar with its great power
and dynamics, so that unfortunately did not work.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Wait did but this you sent this lawyer for you
to court, right, you didn't go to court yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I was not going to go to Keen County and
argue my case on random days. It didn't seem like
a great use of time. Also, I'm not a trained
legal authority, so yes, I hired someone on the advice
of multiple people who had said that.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
They had I've always had success that way. Briskally, it's
like the system is, it's a bribery system. So you
basically pay somebody who's admitted to the bar locally and
they drink beers or they'll judge all the time, so
they figure it out and you get to find a pose.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
So I was gonna say that's the key. You you know,
you want to really avoid the points, especially in California,
and I don't haven't. I didn't have any points on
my license. Didn't to avoid that, and that fee was
six hundred dollars to make. I didn't know how much
the ticket was going to be at the time, but
that fee was six hundred dollars, so I thought, okay.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, let's the lawyer was six hundred dollars. Yes, wow,
that's more than New York.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yes. Yeah, So anyway, the lawyer succeeded in getting the
court they pushed a couple times, so it was pushed
and then it was pushed again, rescheduled, and unfortunately in December,
uh were the word came back down from on high
that the ticket was not forgiven. The officer was in
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court each court date. He really had it out for me.
And I did not get the ticket reduced, and I
did get a point on my license, oh one point
one point, so that's really good. And I did get
the money back from the legal firm, who were very
sad that they didn't win the case, and they gave
me a refund. And the cost of the ticket was
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like four hundred and eighty five dollars, which was actually
less nice than the cost of the lawyer. So it's okay,
it's fine's experience.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I think you can get what four points a year,
right or six points in two years?
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah? Yes, and they go away after a certain amount
of time.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, And I'm pretty sure obviously California is going to
be different than New York. But I took like a
defensive driving course, which was basically like detention in high school.
You show up, the guy shows you a video like
blood Runs Red on the highway, and and then like
you do nothing for the next four hours and you
get points reduced from your's.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I've heard of that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I might have.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I've sort of been privy to that.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
All right, so well it's your first point.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's my first point.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
That's that's not bad.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's a notch in my belt. Yeah, So I am
going to be very careful driving because I don't want
to get more. But I thought you would appreciate that update.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I do, that's what I It's a bummer. But
I'm glad that the lawyer at least gave you your
money back because.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Completely completely, because that would have been really annoying. And
I think I am not a like a new Year's
resolution person at all. But someone asked me the other day,
what's your New Year's resolution? And I just came out
with leave the past in the past. So I think
that's going to be my resolution this year, because it
was like it just came and that tickets in the past.
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It was from last year, and I'm actually glad it
was resolved so you can move fresh into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Nice. Yeah, I don't think I have any My nigger's
resolution is to buy more motorcycles. You know, okay, and
focus on that. You ride motorcycles, right, But I do,
But I.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Don't own one at the moment. And honestly, it's it's
not a passion like it is for you. Yes, I've
ridden for ten years, but it's not a passion in
the way that I know true riders have the passion.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I just need it for mental health. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
See, yeah, I and I that is a real thing.
It's not something that lives in my brain. But I
know that it's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
By the way I remember it, I think a couple
of weeks ago, I said my goal for twenty twenty five,
I guess I do kind of have a ka. It
was to ride motorcycles with you. Oh yes, And did
I tell you about the invitation I got for February. No,
I was invited to Austin to ride the whole new
Harley Davidson twenty twenty five lineup.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Oh awesome, that's great. So maybe you can go, isn't
it when in February? End of February, Okay, that could work.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It'll be my first Austin trip of the year before
the GP, which is a month later.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So cool. I'm looking forward to going to the GP too. Yes, cool,
that's great.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's so much better in America because nobody, nobody goes
in America, right, So if you go to a Moto
GP in Italy or in Spain, they're packed and even
if you get into the paddock, they're completely heaving, and
the to use a British expression, and the the pilots
want nothing to do with the public because they're just swamped.
But in Austin, since no one knows what Moto GP
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is in America, they're empty and you can just walk
into the garages and they're everybody's happy to pose for
a picture. You know what?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
That makes me think too, no line for the bathroom,
which is a very mundane thing to think.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But also yeah, for sure, no line for anything, which
is great.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
All right.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I had a chance to sit down with your husband, yes,
on the eve of I heard, or on the day after, yeah,
the launch of his new project with t w R,
the the Jaguar XJS, which which I had a great
time seeing it at the Classic Car Club here and
seeing you and seeing everybody. By the way, we saw
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Alex Roy who has just achieved the first part of
his new full self driving cannonball run. Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I did.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
We should have him back on.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Definitely, we should definitely have him. He's gonna do it
two more times, so he's going three times coast to coast. Anyway,
I did the interview of Magnus Walker myself and we
want to play that for the listeners right now. Thank
you very much for the invite. I had a great time.
The Classic Car Club was a really is a really
cool venue, and I was gonna say it was it
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will be was a really cool venue.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
It still is. It still is a very very cool venue.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
But they're moving right, they're all moving uptown here like
ten Bucks episode.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Anyway, it doesn't matter where it was because the highlight
was there in the center of the room. It's a
Jaguar XJS or it started life as a Jaguar XJS, right.
I think one of the more iconic silhouettes out there
with the buttresses in the back. At least other the
hardtop version. Tell me about first of all what it
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is now, what did you turn it into?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
First of all, thanks for coming out. Great to see you,
not in the suit, which was great. We love to
say over there, it's not a JAG, it's a TWA
exactly Tom Walkinson Shaw Racing. So the new iteration of
TWI is founded by Tom's son, Fergus And for those
that don't know, Tom Walkinson Shaw British Heritage Motorsports Engineering
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race team and Tom was a racer won the British
toin Card Championship in eighty four eighty five. But the
real claim to fame is they were JAGS Motorsports Division
and they won outright at the nineteen eighty eight Lamon
twenty four hour with Jazz. TWR also helped develop the
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iconic XJR XJA fifteen and the Holy Grail JAG the
x J two twenty. These were all developed through TWR
in conjunction with JAG. So what we debuted was the
East Coast debut. The global debut was in LA on Tuesday,
November nineteenth. What it is it starts life as a
it's arrest on what I guess you'd say it starts life.
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The donor car is the Jag XJS, which we know
followed the iconic E type. The E type Jag was
the most beloved car, and the XGS followed it and
actually never lived up to the success that the E
type had. But it was in production for twenty one
years and ironically sold more units than the Jag, but
it just never had the umph and sort of iconic
status of the Jag. And it was a V twelve car.
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I have one in nineteen eighty eight Speed twelve, so
you think it's going to be fast, but three speed
automatic in stock form, these cars are what I call lazy.
The JAG version what the TWR version is. First of all,
the engines pumped out to five point six leader six
hundred and sixty horse power, five hundred and forty foot
pounds of torque, six speed Tramac manual transmission with an
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all new wide bodied carbon fiber aerodynamic Imster inspired GT
Touring inspired seventies and eighties wide bodied conversion.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It's super light, right, I think I heard a stat
that it was only thirty four hundred pounds.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Yeah, yes, it's a lot. It's light, It's got a
lot of power. It's two wheel drive. The only sort
of original components to the Dona XGS, to the engine
block which has been pumped out to five point six
from five point four. Leader horsepower has been tripled. Like
I said, the all new carbon fiber body sections and panels,
all new suspension, six pot front piston caliber breaks four
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rears eighteen and nineteen inch wields with soft sticky rubber
so it puts out powder to the ground. This is
not a track car, though, it's a GT car. As
you saw, this plenty ahead room, there's plenty of luggage
space in it, and it's extremely well put together, a
balanced car that I've been a design consultant home for
the past two years, and ironically I'm a Jag guy.
It must be like a British thing Brits abroad. I've
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owned Jags, I've owned these types and I'd always wanted
to do a hot rod x JS. I even spoke
to me in Kalum about it when he was still
chief designer at Jag, probably in the five six years ago.
Even Jack Heritage like the concept of doing this project
because no one's really messed with the XJS listers raised them.
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TWR Race them, and it's kind of a forgotten car
and a sea of resto mods. Obviously the portion nine
to eleven he is king of the hill.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
You are branching out because well, at least a lot
of people know you as a Porsche guy, right urban outlaw,
and you know your warehouse, your shoes man, your shoes,
your car, so Jag it seems to me a little
bit of a diversion for you. But I guess you
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actually have owned many cars. You've had Mopar cars, you
have a Rolls, you have a Corvette, so copying Hannah
to some extent, but you aren't just dedicated to nine
to elevens only.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
No, I'd always been that way.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
You know, I'm known as a Porsche guy, but even
twenty thirty years ago, I owned the Mopas, I had
two sixty nine super Bees out a seventy sixty five
Gt three fifty Mustang Replica. I had a seventy three
Lotus Shiopa at a seventy nine three or eight GTB Ferrari.
I like variety. So with this project, you know, when
they contacted me, not knowing that I actually wanted to
(17:34):
do this project, you know I was contacted ironically by
a former a Porsche PR marketing guy called Lee Newton
who was no longer with Porsche and he was consulting
with TWR. He shot me in an email out of
the blue asking would I be interested in working on
this project, not knowing that it was actually a dream
project and something I was interested in and obviously being
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partnered up with TWR and a capacity as a design
consultant was an exciting pro. So I'd visited them in
England and worked sort of virtually for two years helping
them through the process. Hosted the event in LA at MySpace,
got the car over to Vegas at the Win Hotel
during F one where we displayed it, and then got
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the car displayed at the LA Auto Show for the
final closing weekend after Thanksgiving. So I'd been a design
consultant and involved in the marketing production of actually launching
that car to the extent of it's going to be
here in New York for three weeks, then it goes
back to LA. We're gonna have Jay Leno drive it
and do some media stuff in LA, and.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Then it's on a tour. You know.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
The goal is the making eighty eight of them, eighty
eighty is significant because that was nineteen eighty eight when
TWR one lamon outright with Jack. So it's a bespoke
customizable car, which eighty eight units are going to be produced.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
So I my take on it, which doesn't matter. But
of course, yeah, of course I think it is so sexy, finish,
product is beautiful and it's it's really it really drives
me in some ways to want to get out there
and do a night drive. And you've done a night
drive video, which I also love, so I encourage people
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to check out your night drive video. I think of
the similarities or lack thereof with Singer because you can
buy a donor XJS for pretty cheap, I mean compared
to a nine to six four right, like five.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
To ten grand gets you behind the wheel of an
ex chess and ask me because I own one. I
bought one for seventy five hundred bucks and that experience
is okay. The TWL though, it's just on our next
level of performance.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
As great as the car looks. First of all, when
you hear.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
It, the exhaust note this raspeed throaty equal length head
of V twelve exhaust note that comes out of the
side right behind the B pillar right behind your ear
is intoxicating and unexpected. And what we've noticed in the
past three weeks of showcasing this car to the press
meter and potential customers is the message is the same.
(20:03):
They love the renderings, but they're so impressed with how
the actual physical car is. And that's the first actual
sort of.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Pre production car in England.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
They've been running a shakedown development car, a test mule
with all the same underpinnings, but not skinned in that
or clanding that sexy wide bodied carbon fiby body that's
on it, and it's just the stance of the car,
the silhouette, the way it all blends together with form
and function. It's aggressive styling, but it stands out. When
we had that car in Vegas at the wind Row
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in f one literally in the casino, next to thirty
million dollar McLaren f one's and various other cars, people
were drawn to it because there's nothing really like that
at that level of boxy group b Inser late seventies
early eighties looking car. It's just the stands. I mean,
it has a presence, but when you drive it, the
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way it handles and puts the power down the fact
that it's manual and you operate it with three pedals,
you know, your two eyes, your brain, and your two
undred and two feet. It's intoxicating. It covers all the
senses viscerally. You know, it sounds good, feels good, smells good,
looks good. We took it on a drive around Manhattan,
capturing some images down in Times Square, down past Rockefeller Center,
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and it's.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Just unbelievable how people look at that car.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
And when you see it in New York traffic, surrounded
by all that chaos, that silhouette, it's just intoxicating. I mean,
I came back after the launch event, after the photo shoot,
just pumped.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I couldn't go to sleep. I was energized.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
So the other thing, though, is you can get a
donor launcha and send it off to Italy and Camara
will make you a hot rotted version for like eight
hundred grand.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, there were thirty seven, which looks spectacular. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Or you can get the nine six four for one
hundred grand and send it to Singer or I guess
maybe they source the donor for you, but they just
charge you like two million bucks this car. Do you
feel like it's underpriced because I think it's less than
three hundred, right.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, it's definitely underpriced for what it is. For sure,
they would have sold just as many at twice the price,
so you know it is underpriced. That's all I'm gonna
say on the price.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Are they Are there customizable options?
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I mean, can you yea yeah? Yeah, I mean you
know there's not a million options. You know, it's not
like the salvel Row bespoke suit of what Singer is.
There are certain options that are customizable. First of all,
the body is all carbon fiber, so you can leave
elements that a car when you can paint it body
color paint to sample color, these options with leather interior.
At this point, we're not doing like a track spec.
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It's a GT Touring spec. This predominantly is a GT
touring car. But it's good to do two hundred miles
an hour, so you know, you can customize it to
a certain degree. It's not over customizable, which reflects in
the price point of where it's at.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It's you say at this point, which makes me I
want to ask, what's next. You say you're gonna make
eighty eight. I think you've already made a couple dozen right.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Well, this is the first prototype. Currently today there's over
twenty of them allocated on order. This is gonna be
a process that takes about four years, going to deliver
about twenty cars.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I see, I see.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
But down the pipeline, twall didn't just race Jags. They
race Reno's and Volvos and various other cars. So this
is the first development car of which many other will follow,
not necessarily all based on Jags.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So, but let me just ask for you. And by
the way, guests hate this on the show when they
come in for one piece of news and they say, okay,
but what's next?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Next for you? Like, what else are you thinking of?
You've done so much with Porsche's you're doing this right
now with the Jag and TWR. But you said that
you've talked to you know, you talked to Ian Callum
about this years ago. Yeah, I'm sure there are other
things in your head.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Sure, you know a great question.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What about in the automotive world do you find interesting
right now?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Well, I'm currently doing a project with Automobilia Pinaferina, which
is the ninety five year old world famous Italian design
house pretty much famous for designing the majority of the
classic Great Ferraris amongst other cars, and I've been collaborating
on there all electric Bautista, which some may find surprising,
that two thousand horsepower all electric Bautista that's built on
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the Rimagneva platform, creating a one of one collaboration between
one while yeah, I do, I still have it there.
It's in the office in La It's still there. So
twenty twenty five that one of one car will be
unveiled to the world. So I'm super excited about that
because TWR has been a great project and Pinafarina is
sort of also a spectacular project with a company that's
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perhaps the world's greatest design firm. So what's next for
me in the automotive world is just collaborating in a
way with other companies as a design consultant. I just
like doing cool stuff with cool people. It's not necessarily
has to be Porsche. I've designed and built a lot
of my own Porsches, you know, and there's other things
coming down the road with what I'm going to be
doing Porsches in the following year. So I like to
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stay busy. I like to stay creative, inspirations all around.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
I was walking home with my buddy after the event.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's a long walk from uh.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We were walking, we were walking back to the gradge
all right, and he said that's good man. Magnus is
a servant and I was like, yeah, but you know what,
he just does stuff like when he has an idea,
he acts on it, he executes. And I think a
lot of people have a lot of ideas that just
sort of float in and out.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
The key is starting the idea. Well, first of all,
the idea, I always say, is something that can't be taught.
You can't go to school and learn ideas. You can
go to school and learn how to execute them, but
the idea really comes organically from within. And you're either
inspired or you're not if you're a creative person. And
I find creativity comes in waves and rolls. Right now,
I'm on this surgence of creativity through the projects that
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I'm inspired to do and the people I'm collaborating with,
and I think that just keeps the momentum rolling. You know,
I've already been approached by a few other people to
help collaborate or design or consult on various other things.
So I enjoy it. It's something new to me. My
background has always been design orientated from the clothing days,
and restoring buildings and property and cars are no different.
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It's like restoring an old building. You know, We've got
one hundred year old house in Hollywood, Hannah and I
that we're restoring. I've got a one hundred and twenty
year old building I restored. So I like projects. You know,
I always say people like to collect, whether it's cars, guitars, watchers,
whatever it may be. You know, I'm collecting memorable moments,
and these are sort of formed by collaborating with interesting
people doing cool things.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
But I think a lot of people are a lot
of people find starting a task daunting, and you just
seem to dive into something as soon as you am
I wrong about that, No.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
No, it's spot on.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
I mean I think a lot of people have a
fear of failure, so they don't want to start because
they're afraid of failing.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
It's like it's a hot glass half empty or hole full.
I think for me coming to America thirty eight years ago,
I still have that same mentality of nothing to lose
in everything to gain. And I'm still inspired and I'm
still challenging myself to create, and it's not always there.
It's not like turning the light switch on. But when
something feels right, I'm one hundred percent in. I'm one
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hundred and ten percent in. And if I don't feel
that way, I'm not involved in it. You know, I
like to give my old because you know, to me,
it's just something I'm inspired to do and I want
the best for the project, like with tw are you know,
for me, I just.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Love the car. I love driving it all, love the
way it looks.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It's been a great experience for me that I hope
continues and opens the door to other other ventures and
other collaborations.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, one of the things people often say about you
is that you seem to go where the puck is
gonna go. Like you, maybe I'm where I want wondering
how do you think about that? Because you start, you know,
I don't play hockey, I don't really think about the
it's not hot, and then it becomes the hottest neighborhood.
Or you buy a car that no one wants and
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then everybody wants that car, So like, how do you
think that turns out?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
For me, it's gut feeling you know, I'm not really
too concerned about what other people think. Like when we
acquired that building in downtown Ala in the Arts district
twenty five years ago, I've been in the Arts district
thirty two years.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I had a vision.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
I knew this place was gonna evolve because I'd been
in places like Soho and I've been in London and
LA was just behind the curve, so I'd seen that trend.
But for me, it's more about just doing things that
I personally like to do, or cars that I personally
like to collect, Like I was acquiring short wheelbase nine
elevens when you could pick them up for nothing when
no one cared. Same thing with early three liter turbos.
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So I like to experience variety in whatever market is.
I'm interested in, whether it's Watchers cars or guitars. So ultimately,
I've never bought anything as an investment. And one of
my pet peeve questions is when people say to me, Hey,
first time Porschona, what should I buy? What's gonna be
a good financially.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Which, by the way, a million people probably, And I'm like,
you're asking.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
The wrong guy, because I'm going to tell you invest
in memorable moments and smiles per mile, you know. And
they go, well, you bought cars for ten ground that
are now worth two hundred. How did that happen? I go, well,
I bought what I personally liked. I wasn't chasing a trend.
I'm not trying to hit that puck where I think
it's gonna go. I'm not thinking that way. I'm thinking
what inspires me. It's all about what inspires me, what
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motivates me, whatever I want to experience. And then later
on it seems to be it's like I'm setting the trend.
It goes back to the serious clothing days when I
designed certain things that I personally liked to wear that
then became trendy. You're either creating the trend or you're
following the trend, and trends come and go. So you know,
you know, you don't ever really want to be trendy.
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You always want to be one step ahead of that.
But have your own style, you know. So I'm all
about expressing my own style, whether it's through buildings, art,
the way I look my hat, whatever it may be, right,
I'm adding my own personality to whatever it is I'm doing.
And that's that's a common thread to my story. The
three things that I've done with some success the clothing company,
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property development, and playing around with cars. I had no
education in those fields. I didn't got a school to
learn design or anything. Inspirations all around, whether it's colors
or textures or shapes, right, and it's how you interpret them.
Throw them in the blend of things you're interested in,
mix it up, and what comes out is your style.
Like the way I did my Porsches, I never looked
to a sort of copy what the factory had done. Martini, Livery,
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Golf Livery. I'd take elements from American hot rods and
TV shows that I grew up inspired by, which all
revolved around cars, whether it was Starsky and Art or
Dukes of Hazard or Rockford Files or Kojak or Chips Right.
So it's a little bit of Americana, a lot of
British motor sports because that was my background growing up
watching motorsports in the seventies and eighties, sort of the
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glory era for me, and then this sort of British
bulldog spirit of anything's possible, no one's going to stop
me doing what I'm going to do. Gets throw in
the blender on what comes out is my style. And
I've been able to create these styles, whether it was
serious clothing or the Porsches that I've designed all the property.
I've sort of developed into sort of this signature touch
in a way of just being unique by not trying
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to emulate someone else, because that's kind of boring.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You also don't look for, at least as far as
I know, like the low mile showroom condition examples, right,
which I think is really cool. Didn't you buy a
Turbo that was had one hundred eight thousand miles on
the clock.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I bought a twenty fourteen nine nine to one Turbos
one owner car probably three years ago with one hundred
and fifty nine thousand miles in it. It's now got
almost one hundred and ninety thousand miles in it. Most
people are not interested in a high mileage Porsche, you know,
like a Turbos The average mileage is probably thirty fifty
might be high, but that's where the value is, you know.
(31:51):
So for me, I'm about back to smiles per mile.
These cars were built to be driven. When people want
to show me a collection with zero miles on it,
I have zero interesting that because.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Where's the story? You know?
Speaker 5 (32:03):
I heard you talking to mkhel about IRV Gordon and
he's three million mile Volvo P eighteen hundred. I drove
that car. Apparently I was the first guy outside of
Earth's family in his mechanic to drive that car. And
I met Ev when he was still alive, sadly had
passed away. IRV. Gordon is a New York school teacher
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who put three million miles in a nineteen sixty seven
Volvo P. Eighteen hundred, which is documented in the Guinness
Boocker World Records is the highest mileage individually owned private
non commercial car, with three million miles in it, being
repainted a couple of times, engine rebuilt three or four times.
Volvo started keeping track of high mileage cars through the
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dealers in the seventies. By the late seventies he had
a million miles on that So when I drove that car,
and I had met her, And ironically I met him
when he was shooting a Volvo commercial in La in
that car and he had a mechanical breakdown on my
street in front of my bill. Wow, that was how
I met him. So when I got the chance to
you know do this show. Ironically, I drove the car.
It was kind of an emotional thing because I was
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with his mechanic, Nino, this Italian guy lives in Jersey
and it worked on the car with erv So it's like,
that was the world's greatest story. You get guys like
Jay Leno collect cars and the great storytellers and great custodians,
and people love a story. So a car with zero
miles on it, what is the story? Yeah, it's a short,
boring one, right, that's the story. I'm not interested in that.
(33:29):
How did I have gone put three million miles in
the car? He drove everywhere with it, so it's like,
why did he do that? Why did he drive? Driving's
like meditation for some people, right for me, especially, you
get on a road where the cell phone doesn't work.
Your car's so loud you can't have a conversation. I
turned my phone off and the next two hours I'm
completely disconnected. On this path, this journey. You got whatever
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speed you want to go. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's
not clear your head nothing else matters. You're not really
thinking about anything else other than focusing on the drive.
So that's the greatest thing. About driving and why cars
should be driven, the built to be driven, right, you know,
Commuting is one thing that's where self driving autonomous electric
cars makes sense, especially you know, driving here in New
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York City from here to Classic Cack c Librit, it's
two miles. You can walk quick and then you can
drive it. So there's some places where I'm not opposed
to electric cause autonomous driving. That's commuting. Commuting and driving
are too completely different.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
No, I agree one hundred percent. Without going off on
too much of a tangent. We only have a couple
of minutes left. So one final question about what you
have next, because I've watched everything you put on YouTube,
and I love the opp series and.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
You got too much time on you.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I recently saw you do like a walk and talk
a single camera shot in like a Porsche graveyard. That's
just unbelievable, dude. I couldn't believe that you made it
the whole way because it's like three or four minutes long.
What's next for you in terms of media content that
I can consume, Oh, just during.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
More cool stuff. You know, I'm actually drawing a blankers
to what's next. I mean, there's there's quite a lot
of things coming up. But what is twenty twenty five
will be.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Into what was that graveyard? What was that?
Speaker 5 (35:10):
Well, it's another great story. Rudy Kleine opened. He didn't
call it the junk yard. It was called Porsche Foreign
Auto Supply and it was a wrecking yard that was
formed in the late sixties, and Rudy Klein would buy
these crashed salvage, mostly Porsches and Mercedes, but along and
he had at one time over a thousand cars that
he was dismantling and pardon now in the seventies and eighties.
(35:32):
But he also collected exotic things, like he had the
only one black alloy bodied goalwing. Only twenty nine were made,
but only one was black. That ammened down for like
eleven point five million dollars. So he collected crashed wrecked
salvage pennies on the dollar, Porsche, Mercedes, Bentley Ferraris. He
passed away in two thousand and two and then the
brothers took over, and long story short, the whole junk
(35:53):
yard was auction and I think sold for over thirty
million dollars.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
It was a scrap yard. But what made that story
so great was Rudy Klein. How did he get all
these cause what was the story? You know?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
He's just not found And the take you're referring to
is me just rambling on about here I am, and this.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Is what it is.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
But it comes back to if you're excited and passionate
about something, you know. My favorite saying is, you know,
a spreadsheet will only get you so far. Passion gets
you where you want to go. And I was passionate
about sharing the story because ironically I'd gone to the
Junkyard many many years ago and not memoried stayed with
me like me and know of Gordon and a three
million mile evolvo. So when he's passionate about something you know,
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it just evolves and comes out of you. What's next
for me? Only time will tell.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Well, I am grateful that you shared that story and
so many others with us, Magnus, Thanks so much for
joining us on Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Great to be here, Thanks Choos.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I find him to be an inspiring man, Hannah, and
I think you have a pretty high opinion of him yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, he's great. He's great, and I have to say
he really enjoys you, and I think you are great
at bringing out different sides of him, because sometimes, you know,
you tend to get the same questions if you're in
certain circles. Yeah, and actually this is a this is
a slightly different circle. And so it's it's it's nice,
(37:16):
like I like how you you bring out different parts.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
It's very cool to talk to him. And you know,
he's achieved so much, I think in part and he
would say this, We talked about this because he just
does it. You know, so many people like I'm a procrastinator.
I have all these ideas in my head and I
have all these projects that I want to start someday
and I never get around to it. I never even remember.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
And but doing pretty you're doing.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
But he like just he's like, oh, I want to
make a pink sweater. I don't know, and then he
just does it. He'll just wake up in the morning
and do it. So that's, uh, that's a really cool
characteristic that I wish I had. But my wife's like that.
So what my new thing is when I have a
project or an idea, I tell her and then she executes.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I can't wait to meet her someday because I've never
actually met her yet, but she seems.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Like a real good you should go to the GP
with us in Austin.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
She's going to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
She's a bigger Moto GP fan than I am.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
So oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Well. I was going to say, what do you have
planned for next week? But even if you have bigger plans?
What what? What are you looking forward to? What's coming up?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
You know? You know, I am looking forward to being
back in New York in February. I'm coming back for
an edit meeting with the Pursuit's team of course, so
I'm looking forward to coming back and maybe we can
record some more podcast together. I am looking forward to
I'm getting a Aston Martin Vanquish press card wow for
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the first the first half of January, so that's something
we can really discuss.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, that was fast out. Yeah yeah, I think it's beautiful.
I mean not that it's many Asid Martins aren't, but
I think it's absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I know, I'm really really looking forward to driving it
and seeing what it's like, because like, they're just gorgeous cars.
So I'm looking forward to that. That'll be my first
press car. I think of the year, twelve cylinders to
kick it right, it's good. I think it's very auspicious,
and honestly, I'm really fascinated by China right now. I'm
looking forward, just like in a general sense, to seeing
(39:27):
how China affects the car industry. And I know we've
touched on this a little bit, but I just it's
fascinating as we watch what's happening over there affect what
our own domestic automakers are doing and what Europe is doing,
and nobody really knows what's going to happen, but it
(39:48):
will definitely be interesting. So I'm looking forward to watching
that unfold.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
I think it is super fascinating. And you know, in
my day job where I comment on financial markets or
report on financial market and ask questions, there was a
great story about cost Nott, who's an ECB board member,
and he was making the point that if we get
tariffs put on European goods and then of course they retaliate,
(40:14):
it starts a trade war. Europe is much more likely
to turn to China, or to turn more to China
than they already have. I just spent the last couple
of weeks in Spain. There are a lot of Chinese cars,
they are already and there are clearly more coming. And
they're very good at making this like a pretty high
level disposable ev So I mean, you know, you don't
(40:36):
even need to lease it. You just buy it and
two years later you can be done with it. Not
that it, you know, falls apart, but it's just cheap.
It's just that cheap. So Colossknot was talking about Europe
basically importing deflation from China because if the EU and
the US go at it and the trade spat, you know,
and start slapping twenty forty sixty percent tariffs on each
(40:59):
other's products, and obviously automotive is first and foremost right.
They put tariffs on Harley Davidson last time in retaliation. Yes,
they're going to be buying many more byds.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Completely And it's so you know, BYD actually has a
bus factory in California. They don't make passenger cars here,
but somehow there's a loophole where they're manufacturing buses. They've
got factories in Mexico and Canada. And yet, you know,
it seems like most analysts think there's no way that
(41:31):
Chinese vehicles will be allowed to be sold in the US.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
I don't know, they already are you already have. Uh,
you know Volvo and pole Star, have you know? Of
course they are still putting cars together in Gothenburg and Sweden,
but they have manufactured in China vehicles as well. By
the way, speaking of bus, have you gotten hold of
the Folkswagen the ID Buzz no Electric?
Speaker 1 (41:57):
No I have. I have not seen it. I mean
I saw a early prototype like seven years ago in
Pebble Beach that they were letting press drive like on
the beach. And that was a prototype and that was
the first and last time I ever saw one in
real life.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
That would be a cool because I keep thinking about
what you're driving to. Obviously, the Kayen GTS is a
very good choice from Elie to Denver. Yes, but the
id Buzz would be an interesting choice totally. Of course.
The first concern is charging, right, But I go back
to Alex Roy's canniball run in the Tesla. He took
off we were with him from New York City, uh,
(42:36):
and then drove across the country. I read that he
spent less than six hours charging. That's wild, that's crazy, right?
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Was that on his LinkedIn account?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Posted, Yes, I got a deep dive into that because
I kind of scanned it and then post it.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
But it's a lot of details because he knows so
much about like, he's so technical, he's so into it. Right, yeah,
but wow, six hours, yeah, less than six hours charging
on a cross country trip in an electric vehicle. Now
he has the benefit obviously the supercharger network, and yeah,
but it would be interesting to see if that's all.
I mean, I feel like I would spend more than
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six hours at gas stations, right yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Plus just like getting out and stretching, you know, pee breaks,
get grabbing a hamburger, you know, got to stop by
Applebee's or.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Something, letting the dog out.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, completely, Yeah, so we.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Should get ahold of an id buzz to figure that out.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, that's a great idea. And also we should have
Alex come back on like yeah some point.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Well maybe when you're here in February.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
That'd be perfect.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
We get him back in the studio. Cool. All right,
that's all we have time for today, but we'll see
you back here, same time, same place next week. Happy
New Year, Happy New year.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Right to us, thank you for listening to us. We
really appreciate you and love you, and we love hearing
from you. And this is so fun for us and Matt,
as you know, it's such a joy. So thank you. Yes,
it's been great.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Thank you very much much, Thank you, Hannah, and thank
you dear listener. I'm Matt Miller and
Speaker 1 (44:04):
I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.
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