July 11, 2025 • 37 mins
Hannah and Matt discuss Rimac's new top speed record for an electric vehicle, plus, more about F1: The Movie and Christian Horner leaving Red Bull.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and
I'm Hanna Elliott and this is Hot Proceiver. Matt am
I saying shorts.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Saw me wearing shorts. I don't want anyone to see that.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
This is the first time. I mean, it was just
just a glimpse, just a glimpse, but I feel like
I caught a flash of some shorts, short pantaloons.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's super appropriate for work. Obviously. I'm even wearing flip cloves,
which I would know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Please know, I don't need to see that. That's going
too far. That's an HR violation.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Finally, do you know that I have I don't wear
shorts much in public because I have a huge skin
graft on my leg.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is that from your motorcycle accident?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
When I got it. I got hit by a truck
basically that crossed over the double yellow line and it
hit me not head on, but almost just to the side,
and so my left leg was crushed between the the
truck and which ironically was a dodge, and my motorcycle,
and that caused so much swelling that they had to
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open up my leg in a few places. In what's
called a fasciotomy, and I had to leave it like
open and swollen for a month in the hospital before
they closed it. And when they did close it, they
didn't have enough skin, so they had to take a
big patch of skin basically from my upper thigh and
close it on. So now I have basically what it
looked like a split top loaf of bread on my calf. Whoa,
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And I'm thinking about getting it tattooed into a shark.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I was just gonna say it sounds like a pertile
brown for some ink.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It would be perfect, but I'm I think it would
hurt a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It definitely like that would definitely are definitely Wow. That
seems extensive. I had no idea, no wonder, no wonder.
You're always in pants at the office. I knew it
was suspicious. Yes, so you're in Italy. You've been there
for a minute. Sounds like I'm in Italy.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's been it's obviously, it's amazing. We're in the countryside
outside of Sienna and Tuscany. And but I rented I
think I'm not sure if I rented the right car
for the whole situation. I desperately wanted to get a
big van. And I was talking to a lady at
Hurts and I was like, you know, for me, a
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van screams like family vacation. And when my parents took
us for the first time to Europe, they rented a
big white you know, like Mercedes Sprinter or I don't
know what for France that it could have been. And
it was like a almost like a school bus van.
It wasn't fancy, and we had a great time in it.
So I want to do the same thing, but the
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Hurts lady talked.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Me out of it into what.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, So since she talked me out of it, I
looked and I saw I looked at sixth because there
wasn't anything.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, I've used six yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I love they have like really nice cars.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So I saw that they had Audi a six Avant
that was fully electric, and I thought, let me try
this because it has four hundred like massive amount of range,
four hundred and twenty miles of range. And I love,
you know, a wagon and the A six you know looks,
you know, it looks like you're doing well if you're.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Driving six and what we want.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Exactly, you know. And so but I went to pick
it up and they said, here's your BMW I five
and I was like, that's not the same thing. I mean,
it's the forty. So it wasn't even the if it
was the fifty or the sixty, maybe, but it had
far less range and you know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So this was a bit of a bait and switch exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So then they said, how about an IX because the
Audi A six isn't toy charged. Sure, so I have
enjoyed the I X in the past. It just doesn't
have the same kind of rugged vacation feeling.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It doesn't have a gravitas I remember, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It to me, the I X, it seems like it
was a concept car that they were like, all right,
let's just release it as well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, so we're already at this far down the road.
I think I remember the same thing, and I know
I reviewed it. It was like it was good, but
it doesn't. It's just like something's missing.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, it's weird. I mean, the doors are so light,
and I get that the whole thing is a carbon
fiber monocoque shell and so it's technologically advanced, and that's
great for an electric car you want to light, but
when you close it, it feels like a toy, or it
feel like they weren't finished, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. Well, how
has the range been for you while you're driving around Italy?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The range has been really good. It started at five
hundred and thirty one kilometers and we got here about
three hundred kilometers away, and I was only three thirty down.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So now it's just two hundred.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Obviously I drive like a bat out of hell, but.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I would hope nothing less. Where are you charging it?
That's the way.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's a problem. So now we've gotten to this remote
villa in Tuscany.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Which is the point of going to Tuscany. You go,
you want a remote.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Villa exactly, and there's no place to charge it here.
So when we go into town. We're going to go
into town tonight to watch this this mini Paleo so
little horse race or the beginning of the ceremonies for it.
And I'm going to hope to find an electric charger
while we're in town that I can a use to
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charge the car. But also in Europe, the charger parking
spots are kind of a cheat code. Since nobody else
has an electric car, nobody can park there, so that's
the only trace that's open.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Sounds good. That is a good cheat code. Actually you
get better parking that way. We should we should really
talk about I feel like there's so much going on
in the car well. Goodwood is happening this weekend. Obviously
you and I are not at Goodwood, but there's a
lot of car stuff happening.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's a huge bummer that we're not there, that neither
one of us is there.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I know you're there, honestly, and you know I was
just in the UK this entire week. I've just returned
from being in England, but decided not to stay over
honestly because I didn't need to. It's look Goodwood is
is great. I think everyone should go at least once.
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I've been a couple of times. It's kind of the
same every year. It's not my favorite event. There's no
real huge news. It's really good for netwik working, and
it's great for car fans, and it's fun. Also, the
logistics are really challenging and complicated. It's tough to find
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places to stay and park. Speaking of parking, so I
don't know, I just decided not to go. I didn't
want to be gone that long.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you were in England. I saw, was you driving
a Defender, an old defender?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Sadly that was not my car? Oh, I see that
was that was a I wished I was driving a Defender. No,
I was driving in a Honda Jazz visiting all the
stately homes.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Saw that too, I saw the Honda steering wheel. Yeah,
it being a tiny one right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Being ferried around by an eighty one year old woman
for days. It was great and I and it was
great and she's a great driver. I have to say too.
That was my mother in law, by the way, So
what do you think about that little car?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And we should talk at some point, not because I
haven't done any research about tiny little cars, because we
both love the Fiat five hundred. Yes, and the Honda
Jazz is I feel like maybe even smaller.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I think it's comparable. It's pretty small, honestly. By the
end of the week, and you know, I'm I'm around
six feet in my heels. I was in pain the
back seat of that car. The seats are about as
thick as cardboard, and they don't necessarily recline that they're
not especially supportive in your lumber region. So it was
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by the end of it, Yeah, it felt really small.
But all that to say, I really like small cars
and they really make sense on those tiny roads in Yorkshire,
which are about one and a half lanes wide, you know,
and you really kind of hold your breath when you
pass people, if you pass people, And I really found
that the Brits kind of just drive in the middle
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of the road up there because the road's so small anyway,
you know, it's they don't drive on the right or
the left, they just drive in the middle.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're an eighty one year old woman, it's a great car, like.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's a great yes for her. She loves it. It's
perfect for her. Harry, her boyfriend, who is ninety two
or ninety three, he has a Kia station Wagon that
he still drives. And in fact he met us at
the pub one night and drove himself home and actually,
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you know, we're all kind of holding our breath evaluating
him as he pulls out from the parking lot. I
think he's solid. I actually think he's doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
After like a three or four pints.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
No, no, he had a half a pint. He had
a and this is on the record, he had a
half a point pint of some IPA and so he
was under the he was he was within his his
legal limits. And uh, ninety he's either ninety two or
ninety three, you know, a prince of a guy. He
was killing it and speaking of a state no what
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a state car? I think they call the states. Yeah,
he was, he was doing great.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, that's fantastic. I hope I'm still driving when I'm ninety.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Three years Yeah, there was some I'm sure we may
get letters about this. I'd actually love to know what
our readers think about how you navigate when your parents
get to be in their eighties and still want to drive.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I have that. I have the problem that my
dad's only seventy six but can tell me declined in
some senses of capability.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Mental or physical, like reaction times.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well not physical. You know. He has decided that stop
signs don't apply to him, you know, and he literally
just breezes through them. So this is new behavior for him,
new behavior, and it's like a moral and legal problem
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for my family because we are all We've taken the
keys away, we've literally hidden cars, you know, taken his
car and parts that other people's houses, and he frankly
shouldn't be driving anymore. But there's there's nothing you can do,
especially if the subject is a lawyer. She is still
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you know, ready to wage a suit to stop someone
from driving, except for have a doctor demanded test. And
if you know, said lawyer passes that test because on
that day, for those minutes, he's paying great attention. You
can't tell a grown man or woman he or she
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is not allowed to drive. And that is a problem
if you think, you know, because we're intimately associated with him,
we know he shouldn't be driving, but he refuses to
acknowledge that. And I think you should have to retest, yes,
you know, every few years or or whatever after your
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seventy and.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Not just a written test, a physical driving test, is
what you're saying. Yeah, we talked about it, and I
think England may have some sort of mandatory testing. But
you're right. Sometimes people you can pass the test on
a given day and still not be really a peak
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driving performance form. But you're right. It comes down to
like personal freedom. You can't tell someone who doesn't want
to give up their keys, you got to give up
the key. It's a freedom thing, I get it, you know.
And then of course, the other side is they're not
driving themselves. Who's going to drive them around?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Thankfully, you know, even in Grandville, Ohio, where I'm from,
there's a plethora of Uber. Oh that's good services. So
as you know, as I think in my dad's case,
at least, he's growing more and more aware of his
capabilities and incapabilities and has decided for the most part
to use the local It's not Uber, but you know
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the town uh FAXI guy, Oh, that's good. But I'm
sure a lot of people base real problems with that.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think it's a thing. I really think it's a thing.
It's interesting to think about. You know, it's tough. Do
you want to talk about Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I want to talk about Remac?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah? Yeah, I was just going to say that speed record.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So I don't know anything about these cars. And the
only time and the only time I ever see anything
about REMAC is when I'm either reading stories that you've
written or looking at rob report or you know, or
it's usually some F one driver who's you know, bought
himself one, and those are I feel like it's only
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retired F one drivers that are mate clients, Is that right?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
No? I don't think that's wrong. In fact, I think
some of their first clients were were F one drivers.
I mean, first of all, like who can afford it?
And second of all, I feel like if you can
afford it, And Mate Remaka said this, a lot of
people really aren't looking for electric hypercars right now. I
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mean the the Rimac Navara. Just to get everyone on
the same page. When I drove it a couple of
years ago, it was two point one million dollars. I
think I drove it in twenty twenty two. Two point
one million was the starting price. Thin that car had
about nineteen hundred horse power. They have said they're going
to make one hundred and fifty of them. Last year,
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Mate told us they had sold fifty out of one
hundred and fifty. So it's a really high performance supercar,
all electric. And of course Rimat Group is partially owned
by Portia and Hyundai and a couple other investors, and
then also in turn owns Bugatti, so it's all connected.
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And to answer your question again, Matt, and we talk
about this all the time, internal combustion seems to be
more alluring for people who are spending a lot of
money on cars than electric cars right now, all that
to say the Neva Are, which is the higher performance
version of the Nevara and has over two thousand horsepower.
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It's a little bit more expensive. They're gonna make forty
of them. If they can sell forty. That car is
the car that just became the world's fastest production ev
Now we have to say production because there's another car
outside of Japan that was a prototype that is slightly
faster for top speeds called the Aspark Owl.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
But so first of all, is the Navara the only
car Remac makes. Is that the only model.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I believe it's currently the only car they make. They
have said they're going to start making two seat autonomous robotaxis. Okay,
so there, Yes, they're working on things. And of course
Remac also supplies components, parts, battery technology to Peninferina, so
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it supplies things to other automakers, and of course Remac
owns Bugatti, and we know what Bugatti makes. But in
terms of the Remac brand, the Navara is the current
only thing that they make. But again, Mate, as we know,
is kind of a petrol head. He had a record
setting BMW that he built. He actually does love combustion
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as well, and whenever we talk with him, and we
did try to get in for this podcast, but it
was a little too last minute, but he does want
to come on. He always says, you know, whatever, the
whatever makes the most sense in terms of powertrain is
fine by him. He's not married to electric vehicles necessarily.
And one thing I really like about him is he's
pretty open about Yeah, I guess guess no one wanted
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the Neva.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean IT'STI right, yes, yeah, so he's happy to
make twelve and sixteen cylinder motors. The one person I
do actually know who has a couple is Brian Miller,
which isn't fair because he owns Miller motor Cars and
there for saletis yeah, that's the only place. That's the
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only time I've ever seen them, seen them in the flesh,
is when I'm with him looking at his inventory.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He should let you drive one of those.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I didn't think about asking, what, but you've driven one? Right?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yes, it's incredible, It's it's it's on a whole other level,
for sure, incredible.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's because the thing thing is, like most electric cars
are obviously, any Tesla owner that you talk to will
tell you I smoke people off the line all the time.
And even you know, this morning, I drove out to
the local co op to get some milk in this
ix and that is a family it's literally a family hauler,
you know. And it flies. So any electric car will fly,
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but this must kind of flight.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I think there are certain levels. Let's I mean, let's
put it into perspective. The Tesla model s Plaid has
a top speed of two hundred miles an hour, so
the Rimac Nevara the R just set a record for
a top speed of two hundred and sixty eight miles
an hour with a zero to sixty time of under
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two seconds. The zero to sixty on the Rimacnavara is
one point sixty six seconds. So again, like I think,
it's just it's a whole other level. Yeah, the Tesla
feels pretty fast, but that's like a many minivan compared to.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So basically in electric cars, zero to sixty for the
most part, when you get to those big power numbers
is only limited by your traction.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Totally, yeah, and totally.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's so the next frontier for electric cars is top speed, yes,
which is where we're and that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's pretty awesome. And you know what. The interesting thing though,
is combustion engine cars are still faster for a top
speed number, even though right, yeah, like the Bugatti, the
record setting Bugatti has a top speed of over three
hundred miles an hour, which is leaps and bounds. You know. Obviously,
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whenever you talk to the people who drive these cars
for world records, they say it's exponentially every single mile
per hour that you add is it feels exponentially faster
the faster you go. And this Bugatti Sharon Super Sport
three hundred plus hit three hundred and four miles an
hour in twenty nineteen, so you know, that's a lot
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more speed. And I know Koenig Seg and SSC also
have cars that are are still faster than Novera and
those are combustion engine cars. So you're right. I think
for EVS, top speed is really the next frontier.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We should actually have Andy Wallace on the.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I mean, oh my goodness, sure list.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
While we're listing people that we should be talking to,
mante Remac obviously is one yes and fascinating. Because of that,
I'd love to know more about the structure of ownership
of his business and how it fits into Portia and Folkswagen.
But Andy Wallace is the one who drove that Bugatti
top speed and you know him as well, right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He is a great interview We should definitely have him on.
He's really he's one of these guys that has done
something extraordinary, who is really humble and you could talk
to him and never, No, what do you got speed?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean to me, when I watched these top speed attempts,
it just seems so dangerous, I know, And I guess
with the Bugatti they do it on a track that
it's like a road track that just is a giant oval, right,
But other times people do it at the salt flats,
which I've never been to and I would love to visit.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, I have also never been.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I definitely go to the Bonneville Salt Flats, Canada's trip.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, let's do it, like, let's actually make a point
of it. You know, I know people are killed trying
to set speed records like this. There was a woman
who was killed in southern Oregon trying to trying to
set a four wheel land speed record who was killed
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years ago. And yeah, it's super dangerous because the cars
can get airborne. For one, I think that's I mean,
any type of steering correction at that speed is like fatal.
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But also if you're going to go and we all,
as Joni Ernst reminded us, you know we're all going
to die, that's a good way to go, right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean I can't,
not for me, not.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
For me over three hundred miles an hour. You surely,
surely you know it's like.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
No, yeah, completely. You know who we should have come
on to talk about this is our friend from Goodyear
because it all comes down to tires too, doesn't it
Like the tires are the the limiting factor as well?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, fraction Mark Stewart. Mark Stewart also on the list
of people that we need to interview, and frankly it
could get too political. But Brian Miller also is a
good one.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know, I don't know him, but I'd love to
know him. What do you mean when you say he
could get too political?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He has opinions and he is not afraid to share.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You love opinions.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
No, it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean what are what are his opinions?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I will let's wait till he's on.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But you know, he can say it.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
He can say his opinions, and he's had an incredibly
successful career selling cars to the wealthiest people.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well uh huh oh, yeah, that that gives me a
hint about what his opinions might be.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But the cool thing is he and like he's older.
He's older than me at least so, but he has
fantastic taste in music, so he can talk to you
not only about you know, the newest Bugatti and who's
buying it, but also about you know, the Derek Trucks
band or the Alma Brothers. And he goes to.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
See, I love that. And you know what, I like
people who have different opinions than me because it makes
me want to ask, oh, tell me more, why do
you think that? You know? And I'm going to get
on my soapbox for just a second. I have to say,
I think the proper response when someone has a different
opinion opinion to you is not to get angry, but
to ask why and say tell me more.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, well, most of us live in an echo chamber, right,
So someone asked me this morning what news sources I
listened to, and after I listed them, I thought, Oh,
that doesn't sound good because I'm not listening to any
other opinions, right, if I'm just listening to Blueberg and
the BBC and NPR. Yeah, I'm kind of doing myself
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a disservice by not broadening my horizons a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, you know, this is something I've I've actually been
talking to my own parents about. You know, let's have
a big variety in our media diet. Variety is important.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's just like healthy walk with your parents, right, swap
are you are you? Are you on the same diet
as your parents? Oh? No, No, you benefit from you know,
swapping out a few for a week and they give
you a Fox News.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm going to say that I have a very healthy
media diet, and I I will say that I'm confident
I do. I read conservative opinions. I read liberal opinions.
I listened to a bunch of podcasts. I will say this.
I don't watch TV. I do not, and which is
ironic because I work for a news organization that is
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a TV studio. But I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I also don't watch TV.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I think that's important. I read, I read print,
I read newspapers, I read magazines, I don't do the TV.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I guess I read the Wall Street Journal in New
York Times in the FT in addition to Bloomberg. Of
course that's pretty diverse, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
What about your local paper? Do you get?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like a local paper? I read because my wife writes
for it a lot whenever she feels like, you know,
we shouldn't be spending eight million dollars to put turf
on the high school football field because it involves p
fasts or whatever. I don't know what that is, but
I know it's bad.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So we're again Elia forever. Chemical not good for the
children totally. I'm with her. I'm with her. We need
more nature in this world.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, so, yeah, I guess I read the local paper
in that sense. Mostly I read, you know, automotive media.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Also speaking of automotive should we talk about Christian Horner
leaving Red Bull or really?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's what do you think? What do you think about it?
Because I'm not as immersed in the world of f one.
I know he got in trouble for like texting some coworkers.
He denies that he.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
An appropriate relationship. You know that he's.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Married to like Ginger Spice.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, and he got that he's been there for gosh,
twenty years, got the job when he was thirty one. Crazy, yes, crazy,
Obviously there are a lot of politics involved. Max for
Stappen and his dad have had you know, difficult relationships
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with Christian Horner, which has been well documented, and I
do think it's interesting that he was not asked to
leave during the time of his indiscretions and his unethical
behavior at Red Bull because they were winning. But you know,
now they're not winning and this car that they will
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never admit but it was probably really tailored and manufactured
to really benefit Max for Stappen is still not doing well.
They've gone through multiple secondary team drivers and no one
has been able to really score any points with the
car except for Max and Max. Even Max can't get
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it to be great. And everyone seems to think that
Max is leaving soon anyway, So it seems like really
his departure, weirdly is unrelated to the indiscretions and is
truly related to he's not winning anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
So is that good? Is that good or bad? Because like,
do you care if your boss, uh, if you're if
you're an F one team, isn't the only thing you
want to do.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Win, Yes, but I don't know. That's a good question.
You know what the crazy thing is, he's not leaving
the organization. They're removing him from his post, but he
at this point, at the point, at the time of
this recording, he's not actually leaving a Red Bull. He's
staying on and we don't know what role he's going
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to maintain at Red Bull, which to me could set
up a weird dynamic on the team. If someone's been
the leader and then they're removed from the leadership position
but they're still around. That seems like an odd dynamic.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Where else, Surely they're just giving him time to.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Find enough Yeah, yeah, uh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Believe because it's too much intelligence walking out the door.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Could oh could be that too.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Much proprietary you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Sure he has a non compete its contactly.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So we're we're taking you out of your leadership position,
but we're not letting you go from the company, so
you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Else kind of thing. Yeah, that sounds that sounds right.
I don't know. I think Motorsport right now is peaking.
Oh did you see F one? Have we talked at
the movie?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I saw the movie yeah, it was okay, it was good.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I guess you don't want to discuss more. You're not raping,
I don't. I haven't.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't know a great way to describe how I
feel about the movie, because I suppose I enjoyed my
three hours in the theater. You know, I ate a
lot of popcorn, and I got to see Brad Pitt
and a lot of F one people, you know, driving cars.
But it's just I don't know, is this like a
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summer blockbuster movie. I also didn't like the new top
Gun movie Maverick.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I never saw that one.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But if I think about the F one movie in
terms of the actual story or the acting, how I
felt about the characters, none of that was a home run.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
There's not really a story there.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It wasn't Moneyball, I mean, when Brad Pitt is in
Moneyball and I have no connection to baseball, whereas I
love to watch motorsports. I thought it was an amazing movie,
like insanely good.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And I've watched Moneyball like three or four times, and
I don't really need to see F one again because
when I was sitting there, I was thinking I'd much
rather be watching a race, and I think most F
one fans would I would much rather watch a race
than the movie.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I didn't think the driving scenes were that good interesting.
I didn't feel the drama that I feel when I'm
watching a closed race.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, oh that's interesting, you know what I would say.
I was relieved when I saw it, because we talked
about this a little bit in the past episodes. But
I liked it. I liked it. I had very low
expectations because I really didn't like four versus Ferrari, so
I was just kind of bracing myself to not like
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F one and I liked it. I I came away
excited about motor sport and thinking, oh, my friends who
don't think they're interested in cars will like this movie,
and that's exciting. And I, you know, just yesterday I
was talking with one of our editors justin Ocean, and
he had seen it and he loved it, and he
was all excited about now he wants to go to
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a real race, and he's never been to a race.
He's not a particularly big F one fan, but he
knew that Silverstone had just happened in the UK, and
you know, I think I get the feeling that people
it may turn some people into, oh maybe I should
check out the actual sport.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, maybe I'm too critical because that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
No, I don't think you are, because I think because
you're a real you're a real fan and you have been.
I don't think anything that you said. I don't disagree
with any of it, you know, I mean, Magnis he
doesn't even want to see it. I've tried. I've said
I'll go back and watch it with you because I
was at a press screening. He wasn't there, and he
doesn't even care to see it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I just think like it didn't move me in any way.
The love interest wasn't compelling.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
No, that that was just so lukewe I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I didn't care if the kid won or not, even
though it's so nice that he lives with his mom,
you know, it's it's obviously completely unbelievable that a sixty
year old man wins an F one race, or I
mean gets close. Yeah, and I even think like, if
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you're causing, clearly causing accidents to get out safety car
out there, that's something that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That would never happen.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
The stewards would notice and say that's not. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, so I.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Don't know, it was it was? It was it cool
to see Brad Pitt wearing like nice clothes. I guess,
like I want to buy a couple of the shirts
that he was in.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, So that's good. So the branding, the branding worked, Yeah,
the sponsorship, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Far more excited to watch an F one race and
I'm excited to be to watch a Moto GP race
obviously anytime. But I can't think of many movies that
I like better than that anyway, So.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, I get it. I just in terms of Brad Pitt,
it just made me think, oh, I need to go
rewind fight Club. This was not Brad's finest work.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I will say that, yes, it's hard to pick his
finest work because he's done so many amazing things. I mean,
Legends of Runs through It, River Runs through It and
Legends of the Fall are two of my favorite fight Club.
I love Moneyball, I love him, and Once upon a
Time in Hollywood. Oh and that's the other thing. You
mentioned it before, And I don't think it's so startling,
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but the work that he's had done to his face,
even if it's minor filler that somehow like around his
eyes just makes him look like a less special person
and more of a regular dude. And Okay, I don't
like I don't like it at all.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I'm glad to hear you say that. So you do
agree he's had work done. I'm not just either either.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
He's had work done since one once upon a time
in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Or he just there's fillers in there.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, it does like there's no around his eyes. So
it's strange. Yes, this plastic surgery or whatever you call
that look. And I'm kind of bummed that he made
that to me too. Are lucky enough to age.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
With Men are allowed to age, Women are not allowed
to age. And like he.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Talked on Maverick by the way, the fact that Kelly McGillis,
they didn't even shout out Charlie in that movie. For me,
it was really really a bummer, like, no, where's Charlie. Oh,
Charlie died in a plane crash. It's just something, or
Charlie got too old and Map doesn't like her anymore,
you know something.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, that would be sure. Just be honest about it.
We can handle it. Or big girls come on, huh right, Well, yeah,
I agree I was. It just kind of bummed me
out because of all people, Brad Pitt is allowed to
age because his face is special or was, But you're right,
there's something there.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, listen, I gotta go to this little paleo.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Well, so great to talk with you. Thanks for taking
time out of your vacation.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Thank you so much. I guess I'll probably be here
next week still, but in fact I know something wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
We'll be well, let's hope. Gosh, we don't want you
stranded in Italy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Have you got anything cool coming up before we go to.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yes? Always next week I'm actually coming to Portugal to
drive the Timorario, the Lamborghini Timorrio, which is the Hurricane successor.
So so yes, So that's fun. And then I will
be in New York and we can do it live together.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's New York.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
And I will see you in New York the week
after that.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So the Lamber Lamborghini drive should be amazing. Yeah, and
you bring up justin Ocean. He also edited my probably
the greatest work trip I've ever been on for Lamborghini,
when I went to the F one Circuit at Barcelona
to drive the.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Event to door s J amazing Justin's a good editor.
He's a hard editor, but he's a good I.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Think I was a bad writer to work for him.
I think he was like, I never want to edit
this kid again.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Oh I'm sure. I'm sure he I'm sure. It was fine.
He's never said a bad word about you. All right, Yeah,
well he's great.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well then I will talk to you again, same time,
same place, next week.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Wait and wait, Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and
this is Bloomberg.
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I'm Hanna Elliott and this is Hot Proceiver. Matt am
I saying shorts.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Saw me wearing shorts. I don't want anyone to see that.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
This is the first time. I mean, it was just
just a glimpse, just a glimpse, but I feel like
I caught a flash of some shorts, short pantaloons.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's super appropriate for work. Obviously. I'm even wearing flip cloves,
which I would know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Please know, I don't need to see that. That's going
too far. That's an HR violation.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Finally, do you know that I have I don't wear
shorts much in public because I have a huge skin
graft on my leg.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Is that from your motorcycle accident?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I did not know that.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
When I got it. I got hit by a truck
basically that crossed over the double yellow line and it
hit me not head on, but almost just to the side,
and so my left leg was crushed between the the
truck and which ironically was a dodge, and my motorcycle,
and that caused so much swelling that they had to
(01:21):
open up my leg in a few places. In what's
called a fasciotomy, and I had to leave it like
open and swollen for a month in the hospital before
they closed it. And when they did close it, they
didn't have enough skin, so they had to take a
big patch of skin basically from my upper thigh and
close it on. So now I have basically what it
looked like a split top loaf of bread on my calf. Whoa,
(01:47):
And I'm thinking about getting it tattooed into a shark.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I was just gonna say it sounds like a pertile
brown for some ink.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It would be perfect, but I'm I think it would
hurt a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
It definitely like that would definitely are definitely Wow. That
seems extensive. I had no idea, no wonder, no wonder.
You're always in pants at the office. I knew it
was suspicious. Yes, so you're in Italy. You've been there
for a minute. Sounds like I'm in Italy.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It's been it's obviously, it's amazing. We're in the countryside
outside of Sienna and Tuscany. And but I rented I
think I'm not sure if I rented the right car
for the whole situation. I desperately wanted to get a
big van. And I was talking to a lady at
Hurts and I was like, you know, for me, a
(02:39):
van screams like family vacation. And when my parents took
us for the first time to Europe, they rented a
big white you know, like Mercedes Sprinter or I don't
know what for France that it could have been. And
it was like a almost like a school bus van.
It wasn't fancy, and we had a great time in it.
So I want to do the same thing, but the
(03:01):
Hurts lady talked.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Me out of it into what.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, So since she talked me out of it, I
looked and I saw I looked at sixth because there
wasn't anything.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yes, I've used six yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And I love they have like really nice cars.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So I saw that they had Audi a six Avant
that was fully electric, and I thought, let me try
this because it has four hundred like massive amount of range,
four hundred and twenty miles of range. And I love,
you know, a wagon and the A six you know looks,
you know, it looks like you're doing well if you're.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Driving six and what we want.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Exactly, you know. And so but I went to pick
it up and they said, here's your BMW I five
and I was like, that's not the same thing. I mean,
it's the forty. So it wasn't even the if it
was the fifty or the sixty, maybe, but it had
far less range and you know.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So this was a bit of a bait and switch exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So then they said, how about an IX because the
Audi A six isn't toy charged. Sure, so I have
enjoyed the I X in the past. It just doesn't
have the same kind of rugged vacation feeling.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It doesn't have a gravitas I remember, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
It to me, the I X, it seems like it
was a concept car that they were like, all right,
let's just release it as well.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, so we're already at this far down the road.
I think I remember the same thing, and I know
I reviewed it. It was like it was good, but
it doesn't. It's just like something's missing.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, it's weird. I mean, the doors are so light,
and I get that the whole thing is a carbon
fiber monocoque shell and so it's technologically advanced, and that's
great for an electric car you want to light, but
when you close it, it feels like a toy, or it
feel like they weren't finished, you know.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. Well, how
has the range been for you while you're driving around Italy?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The range has been really good. It started at five
hundred and thirty one kilometers and we got here about
three hundred kilometers away, and I was only three thirty down.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
So now it's just two hundred.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Obviously I drive like a bat out of hell, but.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I would hope nothing less. Where are you charging it?
That's the way.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's a problem. So now we've gotten to this remote
villa in Tuscany.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Which is the point of going to Tuscany. You go,
you want a remote.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Villa exactly, and there's no place to charge it here.
So when we go into town. We're going to go
into town tonight to watch this this mini Paleo so
little horse race or the beginning of the ceremonies for it.
And I'm going to hope to find an electric charger
while we're in town that I can a use to
(05:58):
charge the car. But also in Europe, the charger parking
spots are kind of a cheat code. Since nobody else
has an electric car, nobody can park there, so that's
the only trace that's open.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Sounds good. That is a good cheat code. Actually you
get better parking that way. We should we should really
talk about I feel like there's so much going on
in the car well. Goodwood is happening this weekend. Obviously
you and I are not at Goodwood, but there's a
lot of car stuff happening.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That's a huge bummer that we're not there, that neither
one of us is there.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I know you're there, honestly, and you know I was
just in the UK this entire week. I've just returned
from being in England, but decided not to stay over
honestly because I didn't need to. It's look Goodwood is
is great. I think everyone should go at least once.
(06:52):
I've been a couple of times. It's kind of the
same every year. It's not my favorite event. There's no
real huge news. It's really good for netwik working, and
it's great for car fans, and it's fun. Also, the
logistics are really challenging and complicated. It's tough to find
(07:14):
places to stay and park. Speaking of parking, so I
don't know, I just decided not to go. I didn't
want to be gone that long.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you were in England. I saw, was you driving
a Defender, an old defender?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Sadly that was not my car? Oh, I see that
was that was a I wished I was driving a Defender. No,
I was driving in a Honda Jazz visiting all the
stately homes.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Saw that too, I saw the Honda steering wheel. Yeah,
it being a tiny one right.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Being ferried around by an eighty one year old woman
for days. It was great and I and it was
great and she's a great driver. I have to say too.
That was my mother in law, by the way, So
what do you think about that little car?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
And we should talk at some point, not because I
haven't done any research about tiny little cars, because we
both love the Fiat five hundred. Yes, and the Honda
Jazz is I feel like maybe even smaller.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I think it's comparable. It's pretty small, honestly. By the
end of the week, and you know, I'm I'm around
six feet in my heels. I was in pain the
back seat of that car. The seats are about as
thick as cardboard, and they don't necessarily recline that they're
not especially supportive in your lumber region. So it was
(08:35):
by the end of it, Yeah, it felt really small.
But all that to say, I really like small cars
and they really make sense on those tiny roads in Yorkshire,
which are about one and a half lanes wide, you know,
and you really kind of hold your breath when you
pass people, if you pass people, And I really found
that the Brits kind of just drive in the middle
(08:57):
of the road up there because the road's so small anyway,
you know, it's they don't drive on the right or
the left, they just drive in the middle.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're an eighty one year old woman, it's a great car, like.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's a great yes for her. She loves it. It's
perfect for her. Harry, her boyfriend, who is ninety two
or ninety three, he has a Kia station Wagon that
he still drives. And in fact he met us at
the pub one night and drove himself home and actually,
(09:31):
you know, we're all kind of holding our breath evaluating
him as he pulls out from the parking lot. I
think he's solid. I actually think he's doing a good job.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
After like a three or four pints.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
No, no, he had a half a pint. He had
a and this is on the record, he had a
half a point pint of some IPA and so he
was under the he was he was within his his
legal limits. And uh, ninety he's either ninety two or
ninety three, you know, a prince of a guy. He
was killing it and speaking of a state no what
(10:05):
a state car? I think they call the states. Yeah,
he was, he was doing great.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, that's fantastic. I hope I'm still driving when I'm ninety.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Three years Yeah, there was some I'm sure we may
get letters about this. I'd actually love to know what
our readers think about how you navigate when your parents
get to be in their eighties and still want to drive.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So I have that. I have the problem that my
dad's only seventy six but can tell me declined in
some senses of capability.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Mental or physical, like reaction times.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well not physical. You know. He has decided that stop
signs don't apply to him, you know, and he literally
just breezes through them. So this is new behavior for him,
new behavior, and it's like a moral and legal problem
(11:04):
for my family because we are all We've taken the
keys away, we've literally hidden cars, you know, taken his
car and parts that other people's houses, and he frankly
shouldn't be driving anymore. But there's there's nothing you can do,
especially if the subject is a lawyer. She is still
(11:28):
you know, ready to wage a suit to stop someone
from driving, except for have a doctor demanded test. And
if you know, said lawyer passes that test because on
that day, for those minutes, he's paying great attention. You
can't tell a grown man or woman he or she
(11:48):
is not allowed to drive. And that is a problem
if you think, you know, because we're intimately associated with him,
we know he shouldn't be driving, but he refuses to
acknowledge that. And I think you should have to retest, yes,
you know, every few years or or whatever after your
(12:08):
seventy and.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Not just a written test, a physical driving test, is
what you're saying. Yeah, we talked about it, and I
think England may have some sort of mandatory testing. But
you're right. Sometimes people you can pass the test on
a given day and still not be really a peak
(12:31):
driving performance form. But you're right. It comes down to
like personal freedom. You can't tell someone who doesn't want
to give up their keys, you got to give up
the key. It's a freedom thing, I get it, you know.
And then of course, the other side is they're not
driving themselves. Who's going to drive them around?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Thankfully, you know, even in Grandville, Ohio, where I'm from,
there's a plethora of Uber. Oh that's good services. So
as you know, as I think in my dad's case,
at least, he's growing more and more aware of his
capabilities and incapabilities and has decided for the most part
to use the local It's not Uber, but you know
(13:17):
the town uh FAXI guy, Oh, that's good. But I'm
sure a lot of people base real problems with that.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think it's a thing. I really think it's a thing.
It's interesting to think about. You know, it's tough. Do
you want to talk about Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I want to talk about Remac?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah? Yeah, I was just going to say that speed record.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
So I don't know anything about these cars. And the
only time and the only time I ever see anything
about REMAC is when I'm either reading stories that you've
written or looking at rob report or you know, or
it's usually some F one driver who's you know, bought
himself one, and those are I feel like it's only
(14:07):
retired F one drivers that are mate clients, Is that right?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
No? I don't think that's wrong. In fact, I think
some of their first clients were were F one drivers.
I mean, first of all, like who can afford it?
And second of all, I feel like if you can
afford it, And Mate Remaka said this, a lot of
people really aren't looking for electric hypercars right now. I
(14:31):
mean the the Rimac Navara. Just to get everyone on
the same page. When I drove it a couple of
years ago, it was two point one million dollars. I
think I drove it in twenty twenty two. Two point
one million was the starting price. Thin that car had
about nineteen hundred horse power. They have said they're going
to make one hundred and fifty of them. Last year,
(14:54):
Mate told us they had sold fifty out of one
hundred and fifty. So it's a really high performance supercar,
all electric. And of course Rimat Group is partially owned
by Portia and Hyundai and a couple other investors, and
then also in turn owns Bugatti, so it's all connected.
(15:16):
And to answer your question again, Matt, and we talk
about this all the time, internal combustion seems to be
more alluring for people who are spending a lot of
money on cars than electric cars right now, all that
to say the Neva Are, which is the higher performance
version of the Nevara and has over two thousand horsepower.
(15:40):
It's a little bit more expensive. They're gonna make forty
of them. If they can sell forty. That car is
the car that just became the world's fastest production ev
Now we have to say production because there's another car
outside of Japan that was a prototype that is slightly
faster for top speeds called the Aspark Owl.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
But so first of all, is the Navara the only
car Remac makes. Is that the only model.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I believe it's currently the only car they make. They
have said they're going to start making two seat autonomous robotaxis. Okay,
so there, Yes, they're working on things. And of course
Remac also supplies components, parts, battery technology to Peninferina, so
(16:32):
it supplies things to other automakers, and of course Remac
owns Bugatti, and we know what Bugatti makes. But in
terms of the Remac brand, the Navara is the current
only thing that they make. But again, Mate, as we know,
is kind of a petrol head. He had a record
setting BMW that he built. He actually does love combustion
(16:53):
as well, and whenever we talk with him, and we
did try to get in for this podcast, but it
was a little too last minute, but he does want
to come on. He always says, you know, whatever, the
whatever makes the most sense in terms of powertrain is
fine by him. He's not married to electric vehicles necessarily.
And one thing I really like about him is he's
pretty open about Yeah, I guess guess no one wanted
(17:16):
the Neva.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean IT'STI right, yes, yeah, so he's happy to
make twelve and sixteen cylinder motors. The one person I
do actually know who has a couple is Brian Miller,
which isn't fair because he owns Miller motor Cars and
there for saletis yeah, that's the only place. That's the
(17:39):
only time I've ever seen them, seen them in the flesh,
is when I'm with him looking at his inventory.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
He should let you drive one of those.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I didn't think about asking, what, but you've driven one? Right?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yes, it's incredible, It's it's it's on a whole other level,
for sure, incredible.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
That's because the thing thing is, like most electric cars
are obviously, any Tesla owner that you talk to will
tell you I smoke people off the line all the time.
And even you know, this morning, I drove out to
the local co op to get some milk in this
ix and that is a family it's literally a family hauler,
you know. And it flies. So any electric car will fly,
(18:22):
but this must kind of flight.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I think there are certain levels. Let's I mean, let's
put it into perspective. The Tesla model s Plaid has
a top speed of two hundred miles an hour, so
the Rimac Nevara the R just set a record for
a top speed of two hundred and sixty eight miles
an hour with a zero to sixty time of under
(18:45):
two seconds. The zero to sixty on the Rimacnavara is
one point sixty six seconds. So again, like I think,
it's just it's a whole other level. Yeah, the Tesla
feels pretty fast, but that's like a many minivan compared to.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
So basically in electric cars, zero to sixty for the
most part, when you get to those big power numbers
is only limited by your traction.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Totally, yeah, and totally.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's so the next frontier for electric cars is top speed, yes,
which is where we're and that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's pretty awesome. And you know what. The interesting thing though,
is combustion engine cars are still faster for a top
speed number, even though right, yeah, like the Bugatti, the
record setting Bugatti has a top speed of over three
hundred miles an hour, which is leaps and bounds. You know. Obviously,
(19:47):
whenever you talk to the people who drive these cars
for world records, they say it's exponentially every single mile
per hour that you add is it feels exponentially faster
the faster you go. And this Bugatti Sharon Super Sport
three hundred plus hit three hundred and four miles an
hour in twenty nineteen, so you know, that's a lot
(20:10):
more speed. And I know Koenig Seg and SSC also
have cars that are are still faster than Novera and
those are combustion engine cars. So you're right. I think
for EVS, top speed is really the next frontier.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We should actually have Andy Wallace on the.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I mean, oh my goodness, sure list.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
While we're listing people that we should be talking to,
mante Remac obviously is one yes and fascinating. Because of that,
I'd love to know more about the structure of ownership
of his business and how it fits into Portia and Folkswagen.
But Andy Wallace is the one who drove that Bugatti
top speed and you know him as well, right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
He is a great interview We should definitely have him on.
He's really he's one of these guys that has done
something extraordinary, who is really humble and you could talk
to him and never, No, what do you got speed?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
I mean to me, when I watched these top speed attempts,
it just seems so dangerous, I know, And I guess
with the Bugatti they do it on a track that
it's like a road track that just is a giant oval, right,
But other times people do it at the salt flats,
which I've never been to and I would love to visit.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, I have also never been.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I definitely go to the Bonneville Salt Flats, Canada's trip.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, let's do it, like, let's actually make a point
of it. You know, I know people are killed trying
to set speed records like this. There was a woman
who was killed in southern Oregon trying to trying to
set a four wheel land speed record who was killed
(21:58):
years ago. And yeah, it's super dangerous because the cars
can get airborne. For one, I think that's I mean,
any type of steering correction at that speed is like fatal.
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
But also if you're going to go and we all,
as Joni Ernst reminded us, you know we're all going
to die, that's a good way to go, right.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know, I don't know. I mean I can't,
not for me, not.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
For me over three hundred miles an hour. You surely,
surely you know it's like.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
No, yeah, completely. You know who we should have come
on to talk about this is our friend from Goodyear
because it all comes down to tires too, doesn't it
Like the tires are the the limiting factor as well?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, fraction Mark Stewart. Mark Stewart also on the list
of people that we need to interview, and frankly it
could get too political. But Brian Miller also is a
good one.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
You know, I don't know him, but I'd love to
know him. What do you mean when you say he
could get too political?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He has opinions and he is not afraid to share.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You love opinions.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
No, it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean what are what are his opinions?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
And I will let's wait till he's on.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
But you know, he can say it.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
He can say his opinions, and he's had an incredibly
successful career selling cars to the wealthiest people.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well uh huh oh, yeah, that that gives me a
hint about what his opinions might be.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But the cool thing is he and like he's older.
He's older than me at least so, but he has
fantastic taste in music, so he can talk to you
not only about you know, the newest Bugatti and who's
buying it, but also about you know, the Derek Trucks
band or the Alma Brothers. And he goes to.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
See, I love that. And you know what, I like
people who have different opinions than me because it makes
me want to ask, oh, tell me more, why do
you think that? You know? And I'm going to get
on my soapbox for just a second. I have to say,
I think the proper response when someone has a different
opinion opinion to you is not to get angry, but
to ask why and say tell me more.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, well, most of us live in an echo chamber, right,
So someone asked me this morning what news sources I
listened to, and after I listed them, I thought, Oh,
that doesn't sound good because I'm not listening to any
other opinions, right, if I'm just listening to Blueberg and
the BBC and NPR. Yeah, I'm kind of doing myself
(24:37):
a disservice by not broadening my horizons a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, you know, this is something I've I've actually been
talking to my own parents about. You know, let's have
a big variety in our media diet. Variety is important.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's just like healthy walk with your parents, right, swap
are you are you? Are you on the same diet
as your parents? Oh? No, No, you benefit from you know,
swapping out a few for a week and they give
you a Fox News.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm going to say that I have a very healthy
media diet, and I I will say that I'm confident
I do. I read conservative opinions. I read liberal opinions.
I listened to a bunch of podcasts. I will say this.
I don't watch TV. I do not, and which is
ironic because I work for a news organization that is
(25:35):
a TV studio. But I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I also don't watch TV.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Yeah, I think that's important. I read, I read print,
I read newspapers, I read magazines, I don't do the TV.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I guess I read the Wall Street Journal in New
York Times in the FT in addition to Bloomberg. Of
course that's pretty diverse, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
What about your local paper? Do you get?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like a local paper? I read because my wife writes
for it a lot whenever she feels like, you know,
we shouldn't be spending eight million dollars to put turf
on the high school football field because it involves p
fasts or whatever. I don't know what that is, but
I know it's bad.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So we're again Elia forever. Chemical not good for the
children totally. I'm with her. I'm with her. We need
more nature in this world.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yes, so, yeah, I guess I read the local paper
in that sense. Mostly I read, you know, automotive media.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Also speaking of automotive should we talk about Christian Horner
leaving Red Bull or really?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's what do you think? What do you think about it?
Because I'm not as immersed in the world of f one.
I know he got in trouble for like texting some coworkers.
He denies that he.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
An appropriate relationship. You know that he's.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Married to like Ginger Spice.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, and he got that he's been there for gosh,
twenty years, got the job when he was thirty one. Crazy, yes, crazy,
Obviously there are a lot of politics involved. Max for
Stappen and his dad have had you know, difficult relationships
(27:21):
with Christian Horner, which has been well documented, and I
do think it's interesting that he was not asked to
leave during the time of his indiscretions and his unethical
behavior at Red Bull because they were winning. But you know,
now they're not winning and this car that they will
(27:43):
never admit but it was probably really tailored and manufactured
to really benefit Max for Stappen is still not doing well.
They've gone through multiple secondary team drivers and no one
has been able to really score any points with the
car except for Max and Max. Even Max can't get
(28:04):
it to be great. And everyone seems to think that
Max is leaving soon anyway, So it seems like really
his departure, weirdly is unrelated to the indiscretions and is
truly related to he's not winning anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
So is that good? Is that good or bad? Because like,
do you care if your boss, uh, if you're if
you're an F one team, isn't the only thing you
want to do.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Win, Yes, but I don't know. That's a good question.
You know what the crazy thing is, he's not leaving
the organization. They're removing him from his post, but he
at this point, at the point, at the time of
this recording, he's not actually leaving a Red Bull. He's
staying on and we don't know what role he's going
(28:51):
to maintain at Red Bull, which to me could set
up a weird dynamic on the team. If someone's been
the leader and then they're removed from the leadership position
but they're still around. That seems like an odd dynamic.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Where else, Surely they're just giving him time to.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Find enough Yeah, yeah, uh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Believe because it's too much intelligence walking out the door.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Could oh could be that too.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Much proprietary you know, I'm.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Sure he has a non compete its contactly.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So we're we're taking you out of your leadership position,
but we're not letting you go from the company, so
you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Else kind of thing. Yeah, that sounds that sounds right.
I don't know. I think Motorsport right now is peaking.
Oh did you see F one? Have we talked at
the movie?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I saw the movie yeah, it was okay, it was good.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I guess you don't want to discuss more. You're not raping,
I don't. I haven't.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't know a great way to describe how I
feel about the movie, because I suppose I enjoyed my
three hours in the theater. You know, I ate a
lot of popcorn, and I got to see Brad Pitt
and a lot of F one people, you know, driving cars.
But it's just I don't know, is this like a
(30:14):
summer blockbuster movie. I also didn't like the new top
Gun movie Maverick.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I never saw that one.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
But if I think about the F one movie in
terms of the actual story or the acting, how I
felt about the characters, none of that was a home run.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
There's not really a story there.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
It wasn't Moneyball, I mean, when Brad Pitt is in
Moneyball and I have no connection to baseball, whereas I
love to watch motorsports. I thought it was an amazing movie,
like insanely good.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's a great point.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And I've watched Moneyball like three or four times, and
I don't really need to see F one again because
when I was sitting there, I was thinking I'd much
rather be watching a race, and I think most F
one fans would I would much rather watch a race
than the movie.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
I didn't think the driving scenes were that good interesting.
I didn't feel the drama that I feel when I'm
watching a closed race.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, oh that's interesting, you know what I would say.
I was relieved when I saw it, because we talked
about this a little bit in the past episodes. But
I liked it. I liked it. I had very low
expectations because I really didn't like four versus Ferrari, so
I was just kind of bracing myself to not like
(31:37):
F one and I liked it. I I came away
excited about motor sport and thinking, oh, my friends who
don't think they're interested in cars will like this movie,
and that's exciting. And I, you know, just yesterday I
was talking with one of our editors justin Ocean, and
he had seen it and he loved it, and he
was all excited about now he wants to go to
(31:59):
a real race, and he's never been to a race.
He's not a particularly big F one fan, but he
knew that Silverstone had just happened in the UK, and
you know, I think I get the feeling that people
it may turn some people into, oh maybe I should
check out the actual sport.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, maybe I'm too critical because that.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
No, I don't think you are, because I think because
you're a real you're a real fan and you have been.
I don't think anything that you said. I don't disagree
with any of it, you know, I mean, Magnis he
doesn't even want to see it. I've tried. I've said
I'll go back and watch it with you because I
was at a press screening. He wasn't there, and he
doesn't even care to see it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I just think like it didn't move me in any way.
The love interest wasn't compelling.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
No, that that was just so lukewe I didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I didn't care if the kid won or not, even
though it's so nice that he lives with his mom,
you know, it's it's obviously completely unbelievable that a sixty
year old man wins an F one race, or I
mean gets close. Yeah, and I even think like, if
(33:12):
you're causing, clearly causing accidents to get out safety car
out there, that's something that.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
That would never happen.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
The stewards would notice and say that's not. Okay.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, so I.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Don't know, it was it was? It was it cool
to see Brad Pitt wearing like nice clothes. I guess,
like I want to buy a couple of the shirts
that he was in.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Okay, So that's good. So the branding, the branding worked, Yeah,
the sponsorship, okay.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Far more excited to watch an F one race and
I'm excited to be to watch a Moto GP race
obviously anytime. But I can't think of many movies that
I like better than that anyway, So.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, I get it. I just in terms of Brad Pitt,
it just made me think, oh, I need to go
rewind fight Club. This was not Brad's finest work.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I will say that, yes, it's hard to pick his
finest work because he's done so many amazing things. I mean,
Legends of Runs through It, River Runs through It and
Legends of the Fall are two of my favorite fight Club.
I love Moneyball, I love him, and Once upon a
Time in Hollywood. Oh and that's the other thing. You
mentioned it before, And I don't think it's so startling,
(34:26):
but the work that he's had done to his face,
even if it's minor filler that somehow like around his
eyes just makes him look like a less special person
and more of a regular dude. And Okay, I don't
like I don't like it at all.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I'm glad to hear you say that. So you do
agree he's had work done. I'm not just either either.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
He's had work done since one once upon a time
in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Or he just there's fillers in there.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yeah, it does like there's no around his eyes. So
it's strange. Yes, this plastic surgery or whatever you call
that look. And I'm kind of bummed that he made
that to me too. Are lucky enough to age.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
With Men are allowed to age, Women are not allowed
to age. And like he.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Talked on Maverick by the way, the fact that Kelly McGillis,
they didn't even shout out Charlie in that movie. For me,
it was really really a bummer, like, no, where's Charlie. Oh,
Charlie died in a plane crash. It's just something, or
Charlie got too old and Map doesn't like her anymore,
you know something.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, that would be sure. Just be honest about it.
We can handle it. Or big girls come on, huh right, Well, yeah,
I agree I was. It just kind of bummed me
out because of all people, Brad Pitt is allowed to
age because his face is special or was, But you're right,
there's something there.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, listen, I gotta go to this little paleo.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Well, so great to talk with you. Thanks for taking
time out of your vacation.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Thank you so much. I guess I'll probably be here
next week still, but in fact I know something wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
We'll be well, let's hope. Gosh, we don't want you
stranded in Italy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Have you got anything cool coming up before we go to.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yes? Always next week I'm actually coming to Portugal to
drive the Timorario, the Lamborghini Timorrio, which is the Hurricane successor.
So so yes, So that's fun. And then I will
be in New York and we can do it live together.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
That's New York.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
And I will see you in New York the week
after that.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
So the Lamber Lamborghini drive should be amazing. Yeah, and
you bring up justin Ocean. He also edited my probably
the greatest work trip I've ever been on for Lamborghini,
when I went to the F one Circuit at Barcelona
to drive the.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Event to door s J amazing Justin's a good editor.
He's a hard editor, but he's a good I.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Think I was a bad writer to work for him.
I think he was like, I never want to edit
this kid again.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Oh I'm sure. I'm sure he I'm sure. It was fine.
He's never said a bad word about you. All right, Yeah,
well he's great.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well then I will talk to you again, same time,
same place, next week.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
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