September 12, 2025 • 25 mins
On this episode, Matt takes a turn in the Rivian R1S and Hannah reports back on the debuts from the IAA car show in Munich.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Hannah Elliott and I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
This is Hot Pursuit. Coming up on today's podcast, we'll
talk Rivian. The ev maker has hit a few snags lately,
including announcing some job cuts. But I finally got the
chance to drive the R one s. I'm like the
last person on the planet to drive this big, expensive,
(00:31):
beautiful electric suv. That's all on the way on Hot Pursuit.
But first, Hannah, you just got back from Munich and
you are here with me in New York City.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, live and living color. It's the best way. It's
so good to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I missed you. It's been too like. I'm really glad
to see you. What was what? What was it like
at the last auto show? Left?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I think we can call the E A I A
the last Auto Show. It's really interesting. They do a
great job of sort of incorporating that whole show throughout
the city of Munich, so a lot of it is
accessible to the public. Each automaker creates these huge outdoor
stands with their new cars. BMW, Porschia, Mercedes. They all
have these big outdoor like exhibits that they set up,
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and then there's also a conference center part where journalists
like me go in and you know, do executive interviews.
So it's kind of it's good, it's it's nice. It's
also polarizing. There are scheduled protests of people who are
unhappy about European transport in general next week. And someone
made the comment look out for any flying tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So wait, people are unhappy about transport, they just want
to stay in one spot at all times or what
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's more it's more about the idea that, you know,
where electric regulations are going in the EU specifically. You know,
that's a very polarizing thing, especially when.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Because they're being peeled back or because they want to
get away from ice engines.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Fast, because they want to get it. Actually they don't
like the fact that that evs are being pushed.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Oh I get it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah interesting, Yeah, this is like the other side exactly,
Like this is a mobility conference, not necessarily a car show,
so they're really trying to say, oh, this is you know,
it's all about the future of mobility, which actually means
within the conference center walls there are a lot of
vendors from China, like I saw all of these Chinese
brands I had never even heard of before, and there
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are lots of suppliers. It's kind of like a Sema
in a way too.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I wish I could go to Sema.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think you will one day.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I would love to go to me. That would be
the most exciting because I love the aftermarket stuff. I
love modding cars, I love you know, buying accessories. And
I guess that's it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
This is your spiritual home.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
But back to Munich. Yeah, the releases I saw were
kind of ev releases. We talked about the GLC, the
new GLC with Ola Colonius. Last week we talked about
We've talked about the IX three, the BMW Noya Classa,
which is about as traditional and boring as you could
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get for a vehicle launch.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, some people are calling it really edgy and forward thinking.
You know, please, it just.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Looks like an X three, except for like the electric version.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think for the Germans they think, you know, there
was a lot of talk about the that the Noya
Classa in general being really an edgy, strong step forward,
and honestly, I'm with you, I don't see that at all.
These are like incremental changes at best. Even the GLC
it has a different grill kind of but it still
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looks exactly like old one.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I get that under the skin they are important changes,
a lot more range, much faster charging, but the look
of those vehicles isn't going to rock anybody's world. And
now the Noia Clasa, like the original concept vehicle that
they put out, now that was edgy, and I initially
(04:01):
hated it as we discussed, and now I think it's
kind of giving me two thousand and two vibes, which
are cool, so I'm liking it more and more. But
those like consumer hatchback, like big station wagons, those aren't
Those aren't.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
No, No, these are These are like completely ubiquitous in
especially in Europe. One piece of good news that Mercedes announces,
you know, the Mercedes volume control on the steering well house.
Traditionally it's been the roller knob that you let it
feels really nice under your thumb, and then they went
to like the haptic.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You just you just move your things, which nobody liked.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
They announced for the GLC they're bringing back the rolling knob,
which is great. And it's a rare case of when
an automaker actually like pivots. Yeah, and goes backward by
special requests.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Thank goodness they do that. It's like cracker barrel, you know.
They listen. We didn't like the new logo. We said, no,
we don't want the redesigned stores. Even President Trump cares
about that. It's like top of his list of things. Anyway,
I liked the Mercedes volume control in theory, and I
liked the way it looked, but it just didn't work
very well. By the way, speaking of incremental changes, did
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they also show the new nine to eleven turbo?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They did dot two.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's got like two it's got like two electric turbochargers, right,
so it's got a little tiny battery. It's like a
GTS plus.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. To me, honestly, it looks exactly the same. I
would be really hard pressed, and I don't. I wouldn't
even put any money down on being able to tell
the difference between the no way right nine one and
nine nine two or dot one dot two.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
By the way, the thing that differentiates the turbos from
playing Jane nine to eleven is the big intakes in
the rear wheel wells right, and then the little.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes sometimes but not necessarily, do they.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Not all have that big hole in the rear wheel well,
because I don't love that look, and I'm not sure
is it necessary.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
This is wading into the whole turbo conversation where turbo
is a marketing badge. Now at Porsia, you know, turbo
is an actual like variant line. So every every Portionia
now Turbo nine to eleven has a turbo charger. They're
all so like the term turbo doesn't actually necessarily mean
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anything mechanical. It's like a it's a marketing.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Right, And the Tykwon obviously has no.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Turbo exactly, and they're still calling they.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Called the top end.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's super annoying. I wonder who at Porsia came up
with that idea. Who was like, there's not going to
be a turbo charger in any of these evs, but
we're going to call the best one a turbo, and
all of these ice cars are going to have turbo chargers,
but we're not going to call any of them turbo
except for the top one.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Some of them who was.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Was?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It was it debt leg.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I would love it to know, I would you know,
they I would be so surprised. If we ever knew,
I don't know, someone in marketing, probably well.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I The thing is, I would love the turbo power
and the turbo ease, you know. And one time I
ran into Wolfgang Portia, either at the IA in Munich
years ago or at the or in Geneva, and I
asked him what his favorite nine to eleven was. And
I was so hopeful that he was going to say
something really cool, like the Steve McQueen, you know, but
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he said, whatever, the newest turbo is, that's my favorite.
I was kind of bummed out about.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That, but I guess like a sales answer.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well, but also it's like the most developed, most driver friendly,
you know, fastest, most powerful. The only thing I don't
like about it because I get I like the ease
and luxury of it. I don't like the the extra looks,
like the holes in the wheel well or the tail,
Like I just want to smooth nine to eleven. That's
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kind of understated.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I kind of like the extra looks, you know, they
to me, they make the smoother one seem a little
bit boring and a little bit too flat somehow.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, by the way, didn't you guys drive yours to uh,
your like nine to nine one turbo to Monterey to
try and get more miles on it, and we got
two hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, I think we're at one ninety seven and a
half or so. And in fact, next weekend we're going
to be driving that car to Denver from LA in
a day, specifically to add miles. It's my mom's seventieth birthday,
and so we're doing that drive number one so we
can bring the dog, but number two, so we get
miles on the nine to nine to one dot one.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You're bringing a nine to eleven turbo on a trip
Melley to Denver so that you can bring your German shepherd.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, yeah, wouldn't use Yeah, this is very important.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I get it. Well, Happy birthday, missus Elliott. And uh,
I'm so proud of you guys for racking out the
miles on that vehicle. Coming up, we're gonna talk Rivian.
I'm Matt Miller for Hannah Elliott. This is Pursuit from
Bloomberg Radio in New York City. Now let's talk about
(09:12):
the Rivian R one s and like I am the
last person on earth to drive this. A bunch of
guys in my neighborhood. A bunch of dads already have one,
and I know you've driven at least two of these.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Got a flat wheel in the truck version.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
You got a flat yeah, I got a Well it
was on it was on an off road like driving course, yes,
with other people. It was with other people, yeah, it was.
It was in a rather controlled environment, and I did
halfway change it well myself.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know what, I don't think I've changed a wheel,
Actually no, I did. I changed a wheel recently on
a giant like GMC yukon that had twenty fours.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I remember you. I think you told me about that.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Forever that was not satisfying.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I mean, you need a lot of leverage on that
crowbar to get I mean, what did you get used
to get the lug nuts?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It was easy. It took me like an hour, and
I felt like a total failure. But I remember years
ago I changed a wheel on a bug in Vienna
and I was two young ladies at the time.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
A real man, I'm sure that that must have been
a high point.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
All right, So this rivian like I have been wanting
to drive forever and haven't had the chance. But I
love the design so so so much.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Do you like the headlights.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I like the headlights, I like the shape I like
for me, the interior is also like extra Winter Class.
It reminds me of like a modern version of an
old Jeep Grand Wagon. Y.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I can totally see got the plaid carpets.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It doesn't have a front bench, but it's pretty open
up there. And so I basically drool over them every
time I see him on the road. I look at
them every follow them every time they're on BAT, or
search for them on auto Trader. They always are too
expensive for me to really consider getting, but now I've
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driven one and I was pretty disappointed. Oh no, yeah,
what was it?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
First?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The software is just not there. For example, satellite radio
is so great because it uses a network of satellites
and not the Internet. However, yes, in an effort to
save money, Rivian does not have a satellite receiver. They
use the Internet to give you streaming satellite radio. So
(11:30):
you know, I'm leaving for work one morning early and
I listened to Bloomberg Radio all the way in so
I can.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Get in in the zone.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah yeah, and it's like no Internet found and it
takes me like fifteen or twenty minutes. That distracting before
I finally get enough internet to listen to the radio.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No, that's terrible, that's not good. And that sets the
tone probably for the full experience of when you're in
the vehicle. Yeah, because you're kind of like annoyed that
it's eating just what you wanted.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's just ghetto, you know, I mean for a nine
thousand dollars vehicle, which it ends up being if you
buy the good model and dress it up, that's not acceptable.
The other thing is, I don't know about previous versions,
but this two point zero comes with a key card.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh yeah. I'm not a fan of the no.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Key fob, just like a credit card sized thing. And
I thought at first that's cool because I'll just put
it in my wallet and on them and think about it.
That doesn't work. You can't have it in your wallet
or in your p It has to literally be on
the center cha sol Yeah, and that's just like why
at that point, why not have an actual key?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It goes into an ignition.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well yeah, and then I realized later it also causes
problems when you're when you want to lock the car
there's no lock button. So even if you walk away,
or at least when I walked away with a key
in my pocket, it never locks. It's candles that happened
normally flask they stick out, they stick out.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's not a good look. And it's an invitation for
other people to come and open the door.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It says this is not locked. And then so I
googled it try to figure it out. I guess if
you're an owner, you can order a keyfob for extra money.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
What about an app?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, you can do the app, and I imagine you
have to be an owner to do that. So as
a test driver, I wasn't able to do that, but
I guess you would if you owned a car. It
did say you could hold the key up on the
B pillar and that would lock the doors.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yes, I remember doing that when I when I did the.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Drive, I couldn't make it work.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It really you had to like hold it just It's
one of those things where you have to hold it
just right and hold it there for a minute. It's
not intuitive, it's not easy. It's not quick. Yeah, and
also what happens when you're wearing gloves and you're fumbling
or it's cold out or you know, it's raining. It's
the last thing I want to do be standing there
with a little card trying to like lock or unlock that.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
When you're introducing a new vehicle, you want to exceed expectations,
especially if it's you know, a ninety thousand dollars vehicle.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, and I just don't understand.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Why you would design and put out a new vehicle
that's not good.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I know, this is like why do a bad job?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I know, And philosophically, this is the problem that I've
always had with electric startup car companies, which is that
they seem to believe that because they're doing something brand
new that is quote unquote good for the environment, they
should get a pass on basic usability and basic practicality,
Like somehow we should overlook these annoyances and problems just
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because we know, oh, well, we're virtuous now because we're
buying an electric feel that doesn't work amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like one of the good things they do is they
put a really nicely illustrated picture of the outside which
is cool.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Inside, yes, which is cool, and like that can be tailored.
Like I was speaking with the ribbing folks in Monterey
and they had a special like you know, Pebble Beach
version of their interior, which did look really cool, and they're,
you know, very proud that you can customize that drawing
to match your car. That's really cool, But that should
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be like the icing on the cake, Like the rest
of the car has to actually be working.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And like intuitive, and so the turn signals, when you
try and cancel the turn signal, it just turns on
the opposite turn signal.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh no, no, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And it's got these little little screens like a Kia
or a Hyundai. When you're switching lanes, it shows you
what's next to you, which is great, but it's so
small and hard to see that it's useless. But just
so many places where I feel like they could improve,
and I wish they already had before they charged that
much money, because otherwise, why don't I buy an EV nine,
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which is like.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
We always go back to that, Yeah, we always go
back to the Kia EV nine or yeah, yeah, sorry,
that's right, yeah, like yeah, of course we're always going ionic. Yeah,
but it's both the I agree and for this what
is this ninety thousand dollars? Yeah, or so yeah, it's
too much. It has to be better. Where do you
think about how it drives?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It drives okay, but it just wasn't noting my socks off.
And if you put it, I figured a lot of
people don't like the way it drives because they probably
put it in sports mode, which lowers the suspension to
the second to last level. And then since you're there
and looking at it and seeing sport, you probably pushed
all the way down, of course, and then on you know,
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normal American streets, which you know need a refresh. It's
a horrible experience. So what I ended up doing halfway
through my week with it is putting it on the
highest setting for driving, which improves you.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Know, d yes, it improves the ride.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Over exactly the Bronx or Parkway or the west Side Highway,
but it doesn't improve handling obviously, and it doesn't help
your range. So I don't care that much about those things.
And I'm driving a big truck. I like to be
high up, and it does that really well, but just
not something I'm willing to pay a lot of money for.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I've seen a couple of
my neighbors who used to I have Tesla's around the neighborhood.
They have now switched to Rivian's. And I think that
is because of sort of the politics around Elon Musk,
so Rivian has emerged as maybe like a viable alternative
to people who don't want to be seen to be
supporting Elon.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I'm Matt Miller along with Hannah Elliott. You're listening to
Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
We have more coming up after this.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
This brings me to what I am most excited about,
and that is the Scout. Have you spent any time
looking at the Scout?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So the Scout for me, it checks so many boxes.
The problem is it's so far off that we don't
know what it's really going to be like. But it
is an actual body on frame truck, so it will
have the rugged usability of like a tahoe or an expedition, right,
And it looks big. It's going to be bigger than
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the Rivian, which I like. Some people will think that's
too big.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's pretty big because the Rivian itself is a seven
passenger vehicle.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Right, But I mean those seven passengers are sitting pretty.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Cool as a kid, so their children hopefully.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's I hope there's a little bit more interior room.
I love the design of the Scout. It looks really
cool and I've spent because I'm in the Ribban, I
spent a lot of time looking at the Scout on
the website. And it can have a range extender. So
they're promising now at least three hundred and fifty miles
of range, which is can be good by the time
it comes out. I hope it's even more. And you
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can buy a little motor. You can option a little
motor in there that's an e Rev so it doesn't
drive the vehicle, but it charges the battery and they
say that will lift the range to five hundred miles
in total. So it's a truck, it's an suv. It
has fully decent to massive range and it looks imposing
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and can hold a lot of child.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yes, and we should say that this is the American
automotive startup that was founded in twenty twenty two but
is now backed by Volkswagen, so it's got some serious backing.
It might actually happen well.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And it's tied closely to Rivian, right because Volkswagen owns
a significant steak in Rivian and they've said that they're
going to use Rivian technology on the scout, So if
you like some Rivian technology, which by the way, is
also sorely lacking right because they have a four hundred
volt architecture, it's like using a really thin hose to
try and squirt a lot of water through. But this
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scout will be eight hundred volt architecture, so it'll charge
much faster than the Rivian.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And that's what VW's using throughout Basically all of their
platforms are trying to get throughout the company. I mean
it does look it actually looks cool.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, I like it. I'm pretty excited. They'll offer it. Obviously,
a truck and an suv version. For me, I've found
recently that pickup truck doesn't offer that much utility. The
most I'm doing is towing like a motorcycle on a boat,
So I'm not putting anything in the bed. I just
want Now, this is one of the problems. I do
want three rows.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And I think for your kids exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, for my kids, for my mom, for the dogs
if I forget some. So they don't yet have a
three row version, but I can't imagine they don't try
and cash in on a like suburban competitor.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was just going to you know what, this is
making me think of, how's the Escalade doing the Escalade
EV love.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, No, the Escalade EV is way too expensive. It's
like one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Grand it is. But we liked it, right, I mean,
I love the look of it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It has obviously a lot of room. I felt this
is the first time that I really felt a vehicle
was too heavy.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh yeah, I remember that, which I was like, wow,
this really maybe years amazing.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
They'll have another go like the Escalator and the Hummer
I love because of the range. They're so huge and imposing.
They're just rolling houses. Yeah, but the price of the
Escalade IQ leaves me out. Even an Escalade ESV like
with a gas powered engine.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, you don't play in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I mean exactly, it's if you did, it's not the
right look.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I think if they don't have an EV version, I'm
just gonna go with a suburban, like a Chevy suburban. Yeah,
they still end up being pretty expensive once you put
the six point two liter V eight. But I'll have
to have that because I wouldn't be able to live
with myself and the smaller displacement just to save a
few grand. But yeah, I feel like there's there's no
real competitor. I am going to drive the Ford Expedition.
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Oh what do they call the big version? The King Ranch?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The King Ranch?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
The King Ranch and the Platinum and the and the
Basic all come in an extra like a Mega version,
and they call it like the Expedition Mega. But I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh, you know what, that's so funny you mentioned that
because I'm doing a big assignment on Texas in October
and I'm going to take a huge road trip and
I'm going to have a big Expedition King Ranch for
the road trip. So this might work out very well
for us, because I'll have some thoughts.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I'm sure, are you going to actually go to the
King Ranch because there is a ride?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Don't? Maybe I should? That'd be a great idea.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Actually, Okay, so I just loicked up the long version
of the Expedition is called the Max.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, I'm gonna try it out.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I've been super impressed lately with Ford and Lincoln vehicles,
especially the interior and the sort of luxury of them.
But again, this is gonna have just a three and
a half liter V six and they haven't made any
noise about putting out a bigger motor and there's no
hybrid version. Like I feel like, if we're gonna live
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in the Trump era and we're gonna deregulate everything and
cancel laws and stuff, why doesn't Ford put a six
point two liter V eight back in their trucks and
their SUVs. Like standards are getting thrown out, nobody needs
to buy evy credits anymore, like they're saving car. There
was a story David Welch and Keith Notton put out
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a story last week that Ford has saved one and
a half billion dollars by no longer buying those carbon credits.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So yeah, you might as well with the big engine.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, it would definitely sell you. I mean you're not
alone met all.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Right, that's it for this week. What have you got
coming up?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
There are a couple cool car things happening in LA
this weekend. There's a show in Long Beach. My friends
from Texas actually that do the handbuilt show. It's a
big motorcycle show. They're doing a similar one in Long
Beach this weekend. So I may find myself there and
then yeah, like I said, next week, at the end
of the week, driving to Denver.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Very very cool.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, what about you.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I'm actually gonna drive the new Ducati xdavel S.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What does that mean.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's Dukatti's big muscle bike, but it's a feat forward cruiser,
so no rear sets on this. I'm pretty excited about that.
I actually owned an xdovel and like two or three
regular Dovels in the past, so I'm pumped about that. Plus,
speaking of car shows, my buddy Philip is having his
Turtle Invitational. Oh cool in Bedford at the end of
(24:19):
the night. I'm gonna go and I may even speak
on a panel.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh good, okay, great.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Moved by the brass here at work. So yeah, there's
a lot of u And like I said, I'm gonna
drive that Expedition Max and see if it'll be big
enough for my family.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm Hannah Elliott and I'm Matt Miller.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
This is Hot Pursuit. Coming up on today's podcast, we'll
talk Rivian. The ev maker has hit a few snags lately,
including announcing some job cuts. But I finally got the
chance to drive the R one s. I'm like the
last person on the planet to drive this big, expensive,
(00:31):
beautiful electric suv. That's all on the way on Hot Pursuit.
But first, Hannah, you just got back from Munich and
you are here with me in New York City.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, live and living color. It's the best way. It's
so good to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I missed you. It's been too like. I'm really glad
to see you. What was what? What was it like
at the last auto show? Left?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I think we can call the E A I A
the last Auto Show. It's really interesting. They do a
great job of sort of incorporating that whole show throughout
the city of Munich, so a lot of it is
accessible to the public. Each automaker creates these huge outdoor
stands with their new cars. BMW, Porschia, Mercedes. They all
have these big outdoor like exhibits that they set up,
(01:17):
and then there's also a conference center part where journalists
like me go in and you know, do executive interviews.
So it's kind of it's good, it's it's nice. It's
also polarizing. There are scheduled protests of people who are
unhappy about European transport in general next week. And someone
made the comment look out for any flying tomatoes.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So wait, people are unhappy about transport, they just want
to stay in one spot at all times or what
I think.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's more it's more about the idea that, you know,
where electric regulations are going in the EU specifically. You know,
that's a very polarizing thing, especially when.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Because they're being peeled back or because they want to
get away from ice engines.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Fast, because they want to get it. Actually they don't
like the fact that that evs are being pushed.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Oh I get it.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah interesting, Yeah, this is like the other side exactly,
Like this is a mobility conference, not necessarily a car show,
so they're really trying to say, oh, this is you know,
it's all about the future of mobility, which actually means
within the conference center walls there are a lot of
vendors from China, like I saw all of these Chinese
brands I had never even heard of before, and there
(02:27):
are lots of suppliers. It's kind of like a Sema
in a way too.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
I wish I could go to Sema.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I think you will one day.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I would love to go to me. That would be
the most exciting because I love the aftermarket stuff. I
love modding cars, I love you know, buying accessories. And
I guess that's it.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
This is your spiritual home.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
But back to Munich. Yeah, the releases I saw were
kind of ev releases. We talked about the GLC, the
new GLC with Ola Colonius. Last week we talked about
We've talked about the IX three, the BMW Noya Classa,
which is about as traditional and boring as you could
(03:07):
get for a vehicle launch.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, some people are calling it really edgy and forward thinking.
You know, please, it just.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Looks like an X three, except for like the electric version.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think for the Germans they think, you know, there
was a lot of talk about the that the Noya
Classa in general being really an edgy, strong step forward,
and honestly, I'm with you, I don't see that at all.
These are like incremental changes at best. Even the GLC
it has a different grill kind of but it still
(03:38):
looks exactly like old one.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I get that under the skin they are important changes,
a lot more range, much faster charging, but the look
of those vehicles isn't going to rock anybody's world. And
now the Noia Clasa, like the original concept vehicle that
they put out, now that was edgy, and I initially
(04:01):
hated it as we discussed, and now I think it's
kind of giving me two thousand and two vibes, which
are cool, so I'm liking it more and more. But
those like consumer hatchback, like big station wagons, those aren't
Those aren't.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
No, No, these are These are like completely ubiquitous in
especially in Europe. One piece of good news that Mercedes announces,
you know, the Mercedes volume control on the steering well house.
Traditionally it's been the roller knob that you let it
feels really nice under your thumb, and then they went
to like the haptic.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You just you just move your things, which nobody liked.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
They announced for the GLC they're bringing back the rolling knob,
which is great. And it's a rare case of when
an automaker actually like pivots. Yeah, and goes backward by
special requests.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Thank goodness they do that. It's like cracker barrel, you know.
They listen. We didn't like the new logo. We said, no,
we don't want the redesigned stores. Even President Trump cares
about that. It's like top of his list of things. Anyway,
I liked the Mercedes volume control in theory, and I
liked the way it looked, but it just didn't work
very well. By the way, speaking of incremental changes, did
(05:11):
they also show the new nine to eleven turbo?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
They did dot two.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's got like two it's got like two electric turbochargers, right,
so it's got a little tiny battery. It's like a
GTS plus.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah. To me, honestly, it looks exactly the same. I
would be really hard pressed, and I don't. I wouldn't
even put any money down on being able to tell
the difference between the no way right nine one and
nine nine two or dot one dot two.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
By the way, the thing that differentiates the turbos from
playing Jane nine to eleven is the big intakes in
the rear wheel wells right, and then the little.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Sometimes sometimes but not necessarily, do they.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Not all have that big hole in the rear wheel well,
because I don't love that look, and I'm not sure
is it necessary.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
This is wading into the whole turbo conversation where turbo
is a marketing badge. Now at Porsia, you know, turbo
is an actual like variant line. So every every Portionia
now Turbo nine to eleven has a turbo charger. They're
all so like the term turbo doesn't actually necessarily mean
(06:26):
anything mechanical. It's like a it's a marketing.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Right, And the Tykwon obviously has no.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Turbo exactly, and they're still calling they.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Called the top end.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's super annoying. I wonder who at Porsia came up
with that idea. Who was like, there's not going to
be a turbo charger in any of these evs, but
we're going to call the best one a turbo, and
all of these ice cars are going to have turbo chargers,
but we're not going to call any of them turbo
except for the top one.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Some of them who was.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
That was it.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Was?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It was it debt leg.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I would love it to know, I would you know,
they I would be so surprised. If we ever knew,
I don't know, someone in marketing, probably well.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I The thing is, I would love the turbo power
and the turbo ease, you know. And one time I
ran into Wolfgang Portia, either at the IA in Munich
years ago or at the or in Geneva, and I
asked him what his favorite nine to eleven was. And
I was so hopeful that he was going to say
something really cool, like the Steve McQueen, you know, but
(07:29):
he said, whatever, the newest turbo is, that's my favorite.
I was kind of bummed out about.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
That, but I guess like a sales answer.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Well, but also it's like the most developed, most driver friendly,
you know, fastest, most powerful. The only thing I don't
like about it because I get I like the ease
and luxury of it. I don't like the the extra looks,
like the holes in the wheel well or the tail,
Like I just want to smooth nine to eleven. That's
(07:57):
kind of understated.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I kind of like the extra looks, you know, they
to me, they make the smoother one seem a little
bit boring and a little bit too flat somehow.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Well, by the way, didn't you guys drive yours to uh,
your like nine to nine one turbo to Monterey to
try and get more miles on it, and we got
two hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
No, I think we're at one ninety seven and a
half or so. And in fact, next weekend we're going
to be driving that car to Denver from LA in
a day, specifically to add miles. It's my mom's seventieth birthday,
and so we're doing that drive number one so we
can bring the dog, but number two, so we get
miles on the nine to nine to one dot one.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
You're bringing a nine to eleven turbo on a trip
Melley to Denver so that you can bring your German shepherd.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yes, yeah, wouldn't use Yeah, this is very important.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I get it. Well, Happy birthday, missus Elliott. And uh,
I'm so proud of you guys for racking out the
miles on that vehicle. Coming up, we're gonna talk Rivian.
I'm Matt Miller for Hannah Elliott. This is Pursuit from
Bloomberg Radio in New York City. Now let's talk about
(09:12):
the Rivian R one s and like I am the
last person on earth to drive this. A bunch of
guys in my neighborhood. A bunch of dads already have one,
and I know you've driven at least two of these.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Got a flat wheel in the truck version.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
You got a flat yeah, I got a Well it
was on it was on an off road like driving course, yes,
with other people. It was with other people, yeah, it was.
It was in a rather controlled environment, and I did
halfway change it well myself.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
You know what, I don't think I've changed a wheel,
Actually no, I did. I changed a wheel recently on
a giant like GMC yukon that had twenty fours.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I remember you. I think you told me about that.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Forever that was not satisfying.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I mean, you need a lot of leverage on that
crowbar to get I mean, what did you get used
to get the lug nuts?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
It was easy. It took me like an hour, and
I felt like a total failure. But I remember years
ago I changed a wheel on a bug in Vienna
and I was two young ladies at the time.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
A real man, I'm sure that that must have been
a high point.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
All right, So this rivian like I have been wanting
to drive forever and haven't had the chance. But I
love the design so so so much.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Do you like the headlights.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I like the headlights, I like the shape I like
for me, the interior is also like extra Winter Class.
It reminds me of like a modern version of an
old Jeep Grand Wagon. Y.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I can totally see got the plaid carpets.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It doesn't have a front bench, but it's pretty open
up there. And so I basically drool over them every
time I see him on the road. I look at
them every follow them every time they're on BAT, or
search for them on auto Trader. They always are too
expensive for me to really consider getting, but now I've
(11:00):
driven one and I was pretty disappointed. Oh no, yeah,
what was it?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
First?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
The software is just not there. For example, satellite radio
is so great because it uses a network of satellites
and not the Internet. However, yes, in an effort to
save money, Rivian does not have a satellite receiver. They
use the Internet to give you streaming satellite radio. So
(11:30):
you know, I'm leaving for work one morning early and
I listened to Bloomberg Radio all the way in so
I can.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Get in in the zone.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah yeah, and it's like no Internet found and it
takes me like fifteen or twenty minutes. That distracting before
I finally get enough internet to listen to the radio.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No, that's terrible, that's not good. And that sets the
tone probably for the full experience of when you're in
the vehicle. Yeah, because you're kind of like annoyed that
it's eating just what you wanted.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
It's just ghetto, you know, I mean for a nine
thousand dollars vehicle, which it ends up being if you
buy the good model and dress it up, that's not acceptable.
The other thing is, I don't know about previous versions,
but this two point zero comes with a key card.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Oh yeah. I'm not a fan of the no.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Key fob, just like a credit card sized thing. And
I thought at first that's cool because I'll just put
it in my wallet and on them and think about it.
That doesn't work. You can't have it in your wallet
or in your p It has to literally be on
the center cha sol Yeah, and that's just like why
at that point, why not have an actual key?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It goes into an ignition.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well yeah, and then I realized later it also causes
problems when you're when you want to lock the car
there's no lock button. So even if you walk away,
or at least when I walked away with a key
in my pocket, it never locks. It's candles that happened
normally flask they stick out, they stick out.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's not a good look. And it's an invitation for
other people to come and open the door.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It says this is not locked. And then so I
googled it try to figure it out. I guess if
you're an owner, you can order a keyfob for extra money.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
What about an app?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, you can do the app, and I imagine you
have to be an owner to do that. So as
a test driver, I wasn't able to do that, but
I guess you would if you owned a car. It
did say you could hold the key up on the
B pillar and that would lock the doors.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yes, I remember doing that when I when I did the.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Drive, I couldn't make it work.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It really you had to like hold it just It's
one of those things where you have to hold it
just right and hold it there for a minute. It's
not intuitive, it's not easy. It's not quick. Yeah, and
also what happens when you're wearing gloves and you're fumbling
or it's cold out or you know, it's raining. It's
the last thing I want to do be standing there
with a little card trying to like lock or unlock that.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
When you're introducing a new vehicle, you want to exceed expectations,
especially if it's you know, a ninety thousand dollars vehicle.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, and I just don't understand.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Why you would design and put out a new vehicle
that's not good.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I know, this is like why do a bad job?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I know, And philosophically, this is the problem that I've
always had with electric startup car companies, which is that
they seem to believe that because they're doing something brand
new that is quote unquote good for the environment, they
should get a pass on basic usability and basic practicality,
Like somehow we should overlook these annoyances and problems just
(14:26):
because we know, oh, well, we're virtuous now because we're
buying an electric feel that doesn't work amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Like one of the good things they do is they
put a really nicely illustrated picture of the outside which
is cool.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Inside, yes, which is cool, and like that can be tailored.
Like I was speaking with the ribbing folks in Monterey
and they had a special like you know, Pebble Beach
version of their interior, which did look really cool, and they're,
you know, very proud that you can customize that drawing
to match your car. That's really cool, But that should
(14:59):
be like the icing on the cake, Like the rest
of the car has to actually be working.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
And like intuitive, and so the turn signals, when you
try and cancel the turn signal, it just turns on
the opposite turn signal.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh no, no, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
And it's got these little little screens like a Kia
or a Hyundai. When you're switching lanes, it shows you
what's next to you, which is great, but it's so
small and hard to see that it's useless. But just
so many places where I feel like they could improve,
and I wish they already had before they charged that
much money, because otherwise, why don't I buy an EV nine,
(15:33):
which is like.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
We always go back to that, Yeah, we always go
back to the Kia EV nine or yeah, yeah, sorry,
that's right, yeah, like yeah, of course we're always going ionic. Yeah,
but it's both the I agree and for this what
is this ninety thousand dollars? Yeah, or so yeah, it's
too much. It has to be better. Where do you
think about how it drives?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
It drives okay, but it just wasn't noting my socks off.
And if you put it, I figured a lot of
people don't like the way it drives because they probably
put it in sports mode, which lowers the suspension to
the second to last level. And then since you're there
and looking at it and seeing sport, you probably pushed
all the way down, of course, and then on you know,
(16:17):
normal American streets, which you know need a refresh. It's
a horrible experience. So what I ended up doing halfway
through my week with it is putting it on the
highest setting for driving, which improves you.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Know, d yes, it improves the ride.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Over exactly the Bronx or Parkway or the west Side Highway,
but it doesn't improve handling obviously, and it doesn't help
your range. So I don't care that much about those things.
And I'm driving a big truck. I like to be
high up, and it does that really well, but just
not something I'm willing to pay a lot of money for.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I've seen a couple of
my neighbors who used to I have Tesla's around the neighborhood.
They have now switched to Rivian's. And I think that
is because of sort of the politics around Elon Musk,
so Rivian has emerged as maybe like a viable alternative
to people who don't want to be seen to be
supporting Elon.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I'm Matt Miller along with Hannah Elliott. You're listening to
Hot Pursuit.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
We have more coming up after this.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
This brings me to what I am most excited about,
and that is the Scout. Have you spent any time
looking at the Scout?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So the Scout for me, it checks so many boxes.
The problem is it's so far off that we don't
know what it's really going to be like. But it
is an actual body on frame truck, so it will
have the rugged usability of like a tahoe or an expedition, right,
And it looks big. It's going to be bigger than
(18:05):
the Rivian, which I like. Some people will think that's
too big.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's pretty big because the Rivian itself is a seven
passenger vehicle.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Right, But I mean those seven passengers are sitting pretty.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Cool as a kid, so their children hopefully.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's I hope there's a little bit more interior room.
I love the design of the Scout. It looks really
cool and I've spent because I'm in the Ribban, I
spent a lot of time looking at the Scout on
the website. And it can have a range extender. So
they're promising now at least three hundred and fifty miles
of range, which is can be good by the time
it comes out. I hope it's even more. And you
(18:42):
can buy a little motor. You can option a little
motor in there that's an e Rev so it doesn't
drive the vehicle, but it charges the battery and they
say that will lift the range to five hundred miles
in total. So it's a truck, it's an suv. It
has fully decent to massive range and it looks imposing
(19:04):
and can hold a lot of child.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yes, and we should say that this is the American
automotive startup that was founded in twenty twenty two but
is now backed by Volkswagen, so it's got some serious backing.
It might actually happen well.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And it's tied closely to Rivian, right because Volkswagen owns
a significant steak in Rivian and they've said that they're
going to use Rivian technology on the scout, So if
you like some Rivian technology, which by the way, is
also sorely lacking right because they have a four hundred
volt architecture, it's like using a really thin hose to
try and squirt a lot of water through. But this
(19:38):
scout will be eight hundred volt architecture, so it'll charge
much faster than the Rivian.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And that's what VW's using throughout Basically all of their
platforms are trying to get throughout the company. I mean
it does look it actually looks cool.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, I like it. I'm pretty excited. They'll offer it. Obviously,
a truck and an suv version. For me, I've found
recently that pickup truck doesn't offer that much utility. The
most I'm doing is towing like a motorcycle on a boat,
So I'm not putting anything in the bed. I just
want Now, this is one of the problems. I do
want three rows.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And I think for your kids exactly.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, for my kids, for my mom, for the dogs
if I forget some. So they don't yet have a
three row version, but I can't imagine they don't try
and cash in on a like suburban competitor.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I was just going to you know what, this is
making me think of, how's the Escalade doing the Escalade
EV love.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Well, No, the Escalade EV is way too expensive. It's
like one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Grand it is. But we liked it, right, I mean,
I love the look of it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It has obviously a lot of room. I felt this
is the first time that I really felt a vehicle
was too heavy.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Oh yeah, I remember that, which I was like, wow,
this really maybe years amazing.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
They'll have another go like the Escalator and the Hummer
I love because of the range. They're so huge and imposing.
They're just rolling houses. Yeah, but the price of the
Escalade IQ leaves me out. Even an Escalade ESV like
with a gas powered engine.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, you don't play in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
I mean exactly, it's if you did, it's not the
right look.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I think if they don't have an EV version, I'm
just gonna go with a suburban, like a Chevy suburban. Yeah,
they still end up being pretty expensive once you put
the six point two liter V eight. But I'll have
to have that because I wouldn't be able to live
with myself and the smaller displacement just to save a
few grand. But yeah, I feel like there's there's no
real competitor. I am going to drive the Ford Expedition.
(21:39):
Oh what do they call the big version? The King Ranch?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
The King Ranch?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
The King Ranch and the Platinum and the and the
Basic all come in an extra like a Mega version,
and they call it like the Expedition Mega. But I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh, you know what, that's so funny you mentioned that
because I'm doing a big assignment on Texas in October
and I'm going to take a huge road trip and
I'm going to have a big Expedition King Ranch for
the road trip. So this might work out very well
for us, because I'll have some thoughts.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I'm sure, are you going to actually go to the
King Ranch because there is a ride?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Don't? Maybe I should? That'd be a great idea.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Actually, Okay, so I just loicked up the long version
of the Expedition is called the Max.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Okay, I'm gonna try it out.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I've been super impressed lately with Ford and Lincoln vehicles,
especially the interior and the sort of luxury of them.
But again, this is gonna have just a three and
a half liter V six and they haven't made any
noise about putting out a bigger motor and there's no
hybrid version. Like I feel like, if we're gonna live
(22:47):
in the Trump era and we're gonna deregulate everything and
cancel laws and stuff, why doesn't Ford put a six
point two liter V eight back in their trucks and
their SUVs. Like standards are getting thrown out, nobody needs
to buy evy credits anymore, like they're saving car. There
was a story David Welch and Keith Notton put out
(23:09):
a story last week that Ford has saved one and
a half billion dollars by no longer buying those carbon credits.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
So yeah, you might as well with the big engine.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, it would definitely sell you. I mean you're not
alone met all.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Right, that's it for this week. What have you got
coming up?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
There are a couple cool car things happening in LA
this weekend. There's a show in Long Beach. My friends
from Texas actually that do the handbuilt show. It's a
big motorcycle show. They're doing a similar one in Long
Beach this weekend. So I may find myself there and
then yeah, like I said, next week, at the end
of the week, driving to Denver.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Very very cool.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, what about you.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I'm actually gonna drive the new Ducati xdavel S.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
What does that mean.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's Dukatti's big muscle bike, but it's a feat forward cruiser,
so no rear sets on this. I'm pretty excited about that.
I actually owned an xdovel and like two or three
regular Dovels in the past, so I'm pumped about that. Plus,
speaking of car shows, my buddy Philip is having his
Turtle Invitational. Oh cool in Bedford at the end of
(24:19):
the night. I'm gonna go and I may even speak
on a panel.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh good, okay, great.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Moved by the brass here at work. So yeah, there's
a lot of u And like I said, I'm gonna
drive that Expedition Max and see if it'll be big
enough for my family.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Let's find out. So that does it for this week's show.
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Speaker 3 (24:50):
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Speaker 1 (25:06):
Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott will be back in your
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