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May 31, 2025 • 41 mins

Hannah and Matt discuss the 2025 BMW M5, the Ford Ranger Raptor and new Mustang, and Matt's new Harley-Davidson motorcycle. Plus, how to plan the best summer drive.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and
I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Hot Pursuit.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right. We have a ton of cars to talk
about today, which is cool, right because.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
But that's why people really listen.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I think, yeah, I think so. I mean, who knows
why they listen. We do appreciate that you do listen, right, But.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I think the number three, I don't know when I buy.
When I buy a magazine at the newsstand, which I
used to do when they were magazines for sale at
the newsstand, the first thing I do is scan the
cover to see which brands and which models are going
to be in there, right.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
So give them the headlines, Matt.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
All right, So we're going to talk about the BMW
M five. It's one that Hannah had already driven. It's
a hybrid, a plug in hybrid, and for those who
haven't figured it out yet, the way this works is
Hannah gets to drive these awesome cars right away. She's
invited to the premieres, and I usually wait like a year,
and then I get to drive them too. So you've

(01:16):
already written about it for.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Pursuits, I wrote about it. I drove it in Miami,
and yeah, I had thoughts. We'll include the link to
that review in the podcast description.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
And then the Ford Mustang, the new generation has been
around for a long time. Obviously, the GT is the
one you want.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, the GT is the one you want.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
But now there's a California special, So I'm driving that
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I need to request that. I don't know if I've
got my hands on that.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I mean, are there are some issues? But I thought
there was.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
It was an interesting juxtaposition to the M five, even
though no one is ever going to cross shop those things.
But I'll explain when we get there. Hey, I drove
the Ford Ranger Raptor, which is the small truck, Raptor
version of the small truck that Ford makes, not the smallest,
not the Maverick, but the media midsize truck, and I

(02:19):
have thoughts on that also as a former F one
fifty Raptor owner, it means a lot to me, the
whole brand. And then you have a couple of like
supercars that are I think the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yes, well, I have upcoming the Aston Martin Vantage Roadster.
That's the convertible which is perfect time for summer. And
then next week I'll be traveling to Bozeman, Montana to
drive the full range of the twenty twenty six model
line of from Bentley, So that's on the other side
of the spectrum. And I also think we should talk

(02:56):
about this piece I did this week on how to
plan a good summer drive, and it sounds really simple,
but I actually learned a few nice little things from
these road going veterans that I spoke with about that
that piece.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Definitely want to talk about, the summer driving piece, and
I also got to ask some questions about the my
bock gls that you're going to try, which is meaningful
to me because I have a non my bat but
non my bock GLS that has some pros and cons.
All right, let's get straight into it with the M five.

(03:32):
You drove this already. We have the link to your
story in the description, and it's a car that I
think was controversial because it gets ever larger, ever heavier.
But give me your take on the ultimate driving machine
in the executive sedan part of this.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I have to admit at first, I was a little
skeptical just because it's a huge sedan it does doesn't
look great in my opinion, but the M five is
the N five. It's this is the seventh generation version.
It's an icon. I went in with an open mind.
The number one thing that people asked about it, and

(04:15):
which I was really curious about two was how much
does it feel heavy? Because it looks big and it's
a hybrid, it just looks like a big baller car.
I think it weighs about fifty four hundred pounds. And
I have to say that I thought it drived amazing.
I don't know what you thought, Matt, but you know,

(04:37):
seven hundred and seventeen horse power. It goes zero to
sixty miles an hour in three point four seconds, so
it's it's already faster and more powerful than anything that
came before it in the M five line. I ended
up really liking it. Thought it handled fine. I admittedly
did not have it in the canyons I was. I

(04:57):
drove it in Miami, and Miami has a lot of flat,
straight roads, so I wasn't canyon carving in it, but
certainly and I actually drove people in the backseat like
some of some car guys who loved the backseat, you know,
it has a real executive style rear, so I actually
thought to wrap all of that up for the prize,

(05:19):
which is about one hundred and twenty thousand. That seemed
fair for what you get.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
So I I'll start with the weight, right, because that's
also the number one question people asked me. Yeah, it's
a concern my neighbor, you know, Eric, he's a BMW fanboy.
He hasn't and for gts he cares a lot about
the weight. He had an M two and he doesn't
like the new one because it is heavier. I was

(05:49):
thinking about it as I got in the car, and
to me, this M five feels extraordinarily light. Like yes,
I thought it felt like the whole car is made
of carbon fiber, and the one that I drove did
have the carbon fiber package that costs three thousand dollars
extra carbon.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Fiber roof, but it just felt really light.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
The issue that I had was that it felt so huge,
like I felt like it was so far to the
edge of the hood and so far to the rear.
It was just and and it's very wide also, so
I thought it just felt like a gigantic car. And
for the first couple of days, that I drove it
just to and from work. I wasn't really that impressed.

(06:34):
That all changed when I put it into M one
and M two. You know, you have the little red
buttons on the steering wheel, it's like sport and track mode,
and drove it in anger. It is extremely fast, I know.
I mean, this is like mind blowingly fast. And I
had the same thought when I was driving the M two,

(06:56):
like wow, this is a rocket. But the M five
is on another level in terms of its quickness and
in terms of, you know, the time it takes for
you to get to triple digits without realizing that you're
doing triple digits, which we don't want to do right
on public, not in Miami, No, or here in New York.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
But it was happening a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I also thought it was incredibly precise, like almost too precise,
and that was kind of a I don't know if
it was a pro or a con for me, because
having something so big that is so quick and so
precise is just weird.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
I don't think anything can be too precise. I agree
it's weird, but weird is good. I totally agree. I
think weird is good. It's memorable and so many of
these cars, even from BMW the Sedans, there are so
many of them it's really hard to remember which is which.

(07:54):
And I would say you do not have that problem
with the M five. And to your point about the size,
I actually just look back at my review. It's over
four inches longer and almost three inches wider than the
previous model, So you're one thousand percent right, it is
substantially bigger. But I agree. I think for them to

(08:19):
achieve the kind of handling that we both thought independently
of each other on a car that size is pretty special.
BMW is doing a really really good job right now
in a very tough landscape.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
They are absolutely crushing it.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I mean. The other thing is I didn't feel the
hybridness of this car as much as say I did
in the Corvette E Ray right where they have an
electric motor on the front and they have the V
eight running the rear wheels on that you can really
feel it. And it wasn't a it's not a dang
like I love obviously the E Ray I talk about

(08:55):
it all the time, but in this I couldn't really tell.
With the exception of how fast it was getting from
zero to eighty like, uh.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
There is launch control also on this car.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I didn't even I didn't. I didn't mess around with that.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I just.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
After I realized how quick and precise it was, I
just drove it as fast as I could and tried
to you know, weaven traffic.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
This is why, this is why, at least in LA,
you know, people who drive BMWs have a certain reputation driving.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
I will have earned that reputation. And by the way
it looks, it looks the part also, the one I
had was the Sepia metallic paint, which is like a
dull blue gray, but if you look at it in
wherever the sunlight is shining, it looks more like a
yellow carbon fiber. Oh.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And it's it's cool, like.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
In a it's cool in like a bmw M car
kind of way, Like if I went to a bmw
M Cars and coffee, everybody there would love it, like
you know, and there's carbon fiber taped everywhere else. But
I will say, the the shape the like, if you
take away the paint, and if you take away the
quickness and the precision, it's not a great looking car.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I don't think. Oh, it didn't even.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Grow on me. Over the week and my daughter we
were walking down the street back from like the ice
cream shop to where we parked, and she turned and
went to get into an M three that was sitting there,
and I was like, that's not our car, and she said, Daddy,
looks the same. Yes, they all look the same, you know,
one's just bigger.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I had one that was purple, like the deep purple color.
And yeah, the car's rather brutalist, like it's it's very
it's brutal. It feels like a punch, you know. It's
I'm with you. It's not an elegant looking car. It's
not a sexy looking car. It's like a punch in
the face. And maybe maybe you like that. I did

(11:01):
think that if we're going to talk about like carbon
the interior does come with a lot of options. You
can get carbon packages, you can get Bowers and Wilkins
sound upgrades, all that stuff, and you can kind of
speck it to be really wild or more calm. I
think I'm personally a little bit more of the calm

(11:21):
side of things.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, I would want it more elegant, although I mean, look,
I didn't even really think about the interior that much
over the last.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Week, did you how did you feel about the unlock
function for the car? It wasn't work, but see, Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I was thinking that I did something wrong, that
I messed up the settings because I would approach with
the key fob in my pocket and pull the door
and it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I had to actually get the key fob out and
press unlock.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
That's a little bit of a weak spot.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I'm not sure that that couldn't have been changed in settings.
But I will say that the one I drove, you
quoted a price of almost one hundred twenty and I've
seen in a base price reported of one twenty five.
The one I drove was one forty six and change.
And that's before the delivery fee, which carmakers are now
raising delivery fees so that they don't have to raise

(12:10):
the MSRP, but they still get more money. Right, So,
when the garage attendants asked me what do you think,
as they inevitably do, I was like, it's just too expensive,
Like it's an amazing vehicle, but I find it a
little overpriced considering the.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Competition.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Right, you're testing this against the Mercedes AMGGT, You're testing
it against an Audi RS seven, a poor chapanamer a
Cadillac CTSP Blackwing.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
This is a big executive sedan. I don't think you'd
I don't think you'd put an AMGGT against it, the.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Four door, the four door GT.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
So maybe an S class right.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Seven series, though, I would think that AMG GT four
door because it's got four doors, it's got four seats.
There is some space in the back, but there's not
enough space in the back for two rear facing child seats. Okay,
when you're moved all the way back anyway, I just think, like,
wouldn't I rather have a Cadillac CT five V black Wing.

(13:23):
The CT five V black Wing does feel small compared
to this.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, and you've.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Got a supercharged V eight instead of the hybrid turbocharged
V eight. I don't know which one is gonna be faster.
Who cares if one's three point four or six.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I would prefer the harbrid. I will say we should
let everybody know. This gets twenty five miles on electric
only range, and it gets about fifty miles per gallon
equivalent using combined gas and electric power.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
It I emptied that tank in like three days.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Well, there you have it.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Anyway, there you have it so a weird thing. You
would never think about cross shopping this with a Mustang,
I know. And the Mustang that I drove, this that
I that I got into after this. The only reason
I thought about it was the BMW doesn't make a
ton of noise. It's super fast and it's super precise.

(14:27):
Then I got into this Mustang GT. It makes a
lot of noise, it isn't nearly as quick, and it's
definitely not nearly as precise. It feels so much sloppier.
And this is not a ding because I love the Mustang.
I would buy the Mustang myself with my own money,
and I wouldn't be out nearly as much money. But

(14:48):
it just highlights having driven the M five highlighted to
me what a different experience a pony car or a
muscle car is compared to what BMW is making. Yes, unrefined, Yeah,
I mean I want I want.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
The inferior, do you. I mean, it's just it's not
wrong to say a car is inferior to another car.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
No, it's not. And I mean, obviously there's a huge
price difference.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Sure there's a huge but the price difference reflects what
you're getting, and there is a you can draw a
general line between what you pay for and what you
get with cars. I mean, it's just like it's like
driving the old Corvette. That car is the worst driving
car ever. It's terrible, it's slow, it's like a ten Can.
It's horrible. Doesn't mean I don't love it. It's to

(15:40):
talk more about the Mustang because I'm I want to
hear comparison.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
The reason that I can compare the two because it
is not a manual. And I will say that I
messaged Dan Barbosa as soon as they pulled it into
my driveway, who is the head of PR for Mustang.
At least he's respect for me. And I was like, dude,
do no Mustangs come with a stick anymore? Because the
last I think three that I've gotten from four to

(16:08):
test out have had an auto box. And he was like,
none of the Mustangs that go to New York have
a stick. But to me, you buy this car for
the stick, Like that's the reason.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
That's the type of car you want to stick, not
in the M five hybrid, And.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
That's probly a reason that you would buy the black
Wing also in the M five obviously, that's not even
an option, so that's not a possibility. But that's that's
an issue, I guess with whoever's putting together a Ford's
press car. You can buy this with a stick and
by the way, it's the only two door V eight

(16:46):
I think that you can get with a stick rear
wheel drive at all.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Something that's something?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Is there any other that you can think of?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Like the Black Wing is a four door and also
costs over one hundred thousand, so that doesn't rule it
out of the category. But this Mustang, even with the
California special package that they put on it is only
fifty six. I can't think of any other car right
that has it that has a V eight and a stick.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
No, it might, I mean, I won't say nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
There's no Portia.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
No I'm not, I'm nothing is coming to mind.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
No, there's no Audi. There's definitely no other car from
GM because the Corvette doesn't have a stick.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
At the end of the day, thumbs up or thumbs down.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh I love it. I absolutely love it. I mean,
to me, the Mustang. It makes you feel like a teenager.
You feel like I wasn't the captain of the football team.
Homecoming King but I feel like it when I'm driving
this car and it's the drop top. So like the
point I was gonna make is that you because I

(17:55):
drove the M five previously, I feel how sloppy it is.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But the Mustang, the.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Mustang is in comparison to that. But that's not a reason.
Like I still had the time of my life coming
to work this morning with the top down, making as
much noise as possible. You can choose between on the
You can have a quiet start, you can have a
race exhaust, you can have the track exhaust. I obviously

(18:22):
go straight to the most obnoxious level, even though I
hate when other people do it, you know, So, I mean,
it's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
This is true. It can be sloppy and fun. Of course,
these don't exist separately. Do you think the Mustang has
been hurt by the amount of rental fleets that carry
Mustangs for tosts?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Not really, I mean not anymore than it was ten
years ago when the same thing was true. Like you've
always been able to rent Mustangs from Hurts. They famously
have had a partnership since like the sixties and at
least the sixties. But the same is true with Challengers
and Camaros, and so that whole class of car, of

(19:07):
which the Mustang is essentially the only one left right now.
I think, yes, has been hurt by the fact that
they're cheap, crappy versions. At It hurts, but there always
have been, so they're not hurt anymore now than they
were then. And frankly it's I mean, even though it's
not an M five, it's a it's a far better
vehicle than it was at the time.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Oh well, no question about that, no question. Every every
vehicle is a far better vehicle. I mean, the baseline
for new cars today is EON's better than they ever.
They're way safer, way more effishent all the things true,
quieter when you want them to be quiet. I personally,

(19:49):
for me, would say that the fact that every time
I see a Mustang convertible, I assume it's a tourist
means I would never want to own one or an islander. Well,
that bothers me less than it bothers you. But you know,
there is something that I think, at least in California,
every European tourist rents them and drives them up the coast,

(20:13):
you know, And I actually do think that hurts the
Mustang brand as being seen as a special car.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, no, I do as well.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I just was thinking it doesn't hurt anymore now than
it did ten years ago or twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
It always been like that. Oh no, that's true. That's true.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I know it's always been like that because I'm the
guy at the rental counter who's like, hey, do you
have a Mustang?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
There's nothing, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that there there.
My point is more than they're ubiquitous. And I'm all
about you know, if you've got a convertible, you should
feel it should feel special, and you know, like your
I love the idea that it feels like you're the
only one left.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
All right, Speaking of special, I want to talk about
another board vehicle that I got to drive last week,
and that is the Ranger Raptor. And I will be
the first to admit that I typically discount smaller trucks,
like I want small trucks. I just feel like you

(21:26):
can't fit as much into the back. You don't have
as much room inside, Like, what's the point I can't
put a motorcycle in the back, right, so.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Unless I leave the tailgate open?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yes, But This is the type of truck that I
would use to like go to the home depot, run
around on the weekends, like move random furniture from one
place to another, like take the dog to the beach
and get the dog in the back once we get
there and get her all clean, you know, like all
that stuff, all the like rugged stuff. And also would
be the perfect truck that you can draw when you

(22:00):
don't really want to worry about your vehicle just in general. Yeah,
I like that, but you can still park it. It's
not oversized. The worst thing to me is these enormous, oversize,
huge construction trucks that you can't park. They don't even
they barely even fit in the driveway, let alone a garage. Okay,

(22:21):
really just for the work site.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I mean. So those are my favorite vehicles basically. Okay,
this is one of the highlights of where we differ,
because my favorite trucks are the heavy duty, the super
duty trucks that have like a six inch lift and
a seven diesel motor. But yeah, everyone knows that about me, and.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
They're almost unusable though.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I know, but they're they're great highway cruisers and I
can fit like my entire family plus uh, you know,
a full staff on the inside, and you know, two
big bikes in the in the bed.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
My point though, is that I had so much fun
driving this little Ranger Raptor, and lately I've been having
fun driving other small trucks. I drove a GMC Canyon
even with a small motor that I liked. I drove
Toyota Tacoma. Like these have been have been really fun
in my experience the last couple of years. And what
I've been thinking is they're like jeeps. They drive like jeeps,

(23:24):
like like Wranglers or Broncos, and yet they're they're just
a little bit more useful.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
So thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Love it. Now, the let's talk about the Raptor. Just
so people know this is, uh, it's a V six.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Right, Yes, it's a turbo charge V six.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Four x four obviously snappy, snappy.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Okay, horsepower and change like four hundred and five or
something horsepower.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Do you do any pors with it? Or like put
a bicycle in the back or take the girls out or.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I took it.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
So this is again one of the issues in terms
of size.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Right, I have car seats and I've got to put
the kids in them, and so this is not a
big cab. I have to move the driver's seat all
the way forward in order to put rear facing car
seats in the back. But you're not buying this car
for that, So I don't ding it for that. But yeah,
I did like family stuff. I went to Costco, and

(24:23):
it's like I would put a cab on the back,
like a cap on the back. That is what I mean,
because if you're going to Costco, you don't want the
open back or a cover. But it's just I felt
like very jeepish in this and all these other trucks.
But this is another level higher the Ranger treatment or
the Raptor treatment, I should say, over, you know, your

(24:46):
base model, but you're paying for that, Like it's almost
sixty thousand dollars this truck.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Would you rather have the sixty thousand dollars truck or
the fifty whatever thousand dollars Mustang.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
I would rather have Mustang.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
The Mustang's like a party. Every time you get in.
It's a celebration, you know. And like, fortunately we already
have a family truckster for the kids. So if I
had to choose for a second car, the Mustang. I
want to put on a letter jacket when I'm driving it.
You know, it's just too But yeah, the Ranger Raptor

(25:25):
a lot of fun. I'd still prefer an F one
fifty Raptor from the first generation when they had the
six point two liters V eight.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I haven't driven I haven't driven this this truck, so
I can't really talk about it, but sounds awesome. I
love small trucks. I mean, I learned to drive a
stick on a truck, on a Ford truck.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
So this should have a stick, by the way, which
it's not available with a stick, And I know that.
I mean, people probably get annoyed hearing me say this
all the time, but I just don't get it, Like,
why wouldn't you make a stick inconvenient and expensive? I
talked again with people from GM this week and I
was asking again why there's no stick in the Corvette

(26:08):
and it's.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Just the same answer. I mean, nobody buys them, and
so it's not worth the money to put it in.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
I mean, well, the good news is that it makes
the trucks that had a stick shift, or the cars that.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Had one special.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I saw a C six Corvette Z six driving down
the highway the other day and I was thinking, what
a sweet purchase that is now, like or a C seven, right,
uh huh. Obviously the C eights an amazing vehicle and
the performance is incredible, but now you can just go

(26:42):
back and get one of those for much less money
and you actually get to row your own gears.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I I think, honestly you're right about the C six.
It's going to age better and better. I'm not honestly
in love with it at this point, but probably in
ten years I'll think it's cool. Yeah, let's be hones.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Maybe not as cool as the Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, first of all, let's talk about the story that
you wrote for Summer Driving.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, summer driving.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
What's what's the idea?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like I did a I did a three hundred mile
trip on on my hog the other day, which was
pretty pretty awesome.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
But you're thinking about the car.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
This is more about cars. But it's a very simple idea. Obviously,
we're now in quote unquote the summer season, Memorial Day
is gone, and a lot of people are going to
do road trips. Some people take them very seriously. And
the and the people that I spoke with for this
story for instance, this one guy, he goes by Pelly.
He drives from Portland, Oregon down to La often and

(27:44):
he avoids I five, which is the main throughfare. He
does everything he can, even if it as a day
of driving, to go on back roads. And his big hack,
which I thought was really smart, was he uses a
print at road at liss and he looks for water
because typically if there's a river or a coastline or

(28:07):
even you know, lakes, there's going to be an interesting
road that follows that the water. So at the point,
it's a really good point. And you know, this guy's
my age, so he still does remember being a little
kid and their parents. You know, your parents have the road,
the Rand McNally road atlas out and they're like trying
to find where to go. And I said, obviously, you

(28:30):
can use apps if you want. He also suggested, you know,
if you look at message boards that bicyclists use, like
very serious cyclists, they also know really good roads because
they're trying to avoid major highways and they want kirby
nice country roads just like drivers. But the fall of
the water, I think I think was my favorite piece
of advice.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
That is a great piece of advice. I mean, it's
also really nice to actually look at the water and
your surroundings. The main thing I've taken away from my
recent transition to Harley Davidson Ryder is if I'm not
trying to go as fast as I can, which on

(29:11):
a Ducatta, you know, I'm always trying to push the
limit on the Harley, I'm happy to just cruise along
and I actually have time to look around me. Yes,
and I would love to drive more roads that are
next to water because it's not just you know, to
get the curve or twist your more undulating road, but

(29:32):
you also get like really cool visuals.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yes, it's very peaceful. Pelly also said, obviously it's worth
it to get up at dawn. Obviously during summer months
you want to avoid the heat number one, but also
number two, if you are driving early, the water, whatever
water you're by is going to be gorgeous. You'll avoid
traffic the lights better if you're taking photos and just

(29:58):
intaking beauty, like beauty for itself is valuable, has a
lot of value. And so yeah, we did talk about
just being by waters naturally calming. Now can we talk
about your motorcycle ride.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I did it all in one day in terms of
the ride from Fredericksburg to Scarsdale, so I took it.
I woke up early in the morning, took the train
instead of the plane down south, and that was the
right decision. I brought my iPad so I could watch
the Moto GP sprint and that was that didn't that

(30:38):
did not disappoint. And then I got down there around
two o'clock, picked up the bike, and I was home
by like nine thirty. It was.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
It was initially like.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
The first half hour or so was terrifying because I
don't know this bike very well, and I'm immediately on
ninety five North it's like a five lane highway with
every truck trying to kill me. But then it got
into like a nice winding two lane road into DC,

(31:13):
and everyone who's driven around in and around DC knows
what I'm talking about, like a sort of parkway, and
that there's kind of like stop and go traffic the
whole time, but moving at a pretty brisk pace. So
on a motorcycle you got a chance to do a
lot of weaving and lane splitting at slower speeds, and
it's a huge confidence builder. Like absolutely gigantic. So then

(31:36):
for the rest of the time, you know, I'm wanting
to get home, so like pedal to the metal, pushing
triple digits but not quite. And it was a great ride, yeah,
really good.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
It's such a like seven hour, seven hour ride.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It took me about seven hours, and it's like, obviously
on that trip, I'm not enjoying myself so much. I'm
just trying to make time and get home. But then
I took the bike out the next day for most
of the day, you know, around me up to Bear Mountain,
out to Connecticut all around, and it's just a totally

(32:11):
different vibe riding a Harley than a Ducati, even like
a multi strata because I found myself like often going
under the speed limit, which just because I was chilling,
like you know, you're on like a road sofa, you're
like looking around.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's it's very different.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Any particular fatigue in your body after, especially like the
longer ride.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
On the on the long ride, a ton of it
in my hips and my legs in general, because I'm
not used to having my feet in front of me,
you know, I'm used to riding a motorcycle with my
feet behind me, so it'll take a while, I think
for those muscles to develop, but I think, you know,
my biggest takeaway was it's just so there's a feeling

(33:01):
of fullness of warmth when you have that much displacement
motivating you with the same amount of cylinders. Like my
Ducattis are mostly like a thousand or twelve hundred CC's
for two cylinders, and this thing is like two thousand
CC's for two cylinders. And you know, I'm not up

(33:22):
in the high revs. I'm still I'm holding around two
or three, maybe four thousand max for the most part.
And it's just like you've got so much more there.
It's just a really different feeling and really rewarding.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Did people treat you differently on a Harley than they
do on a Dukati? Drivers or people at gas stations
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I don't think I've had enough time with it to
know the answer to that, but I mean, I know
that it's a totally different kind of cosplay.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Both things are right, but going.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
To change for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
On the On the Ducati it's like a Power Rangers thing.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You know, you've got sliders everywhere, and and on the
Harley it's much more chilled out like I now I
understand why you'd want to ride just in a Hawaiian shirt.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
You know, are you going to Sturgis? Is this the
beginning of your Sturgis era?

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I don't know, because I'm I'm too scared of like
the one percenters. I don't want like I'm a softie
for sure.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Well yeah, but I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
To uh, you know, go out my mustache and yeah,
I mean I would definitely I would love to go
to Sturgis. But I'm I'm I ride around, I see
other Harley guys and I know, okay, that is a
suburban dad pretending he's a motorcyclist for the day.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
You know, do they do they like you know, acknowledge
you do they give you.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
A little yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
You know everybody gives the two wheels down sign, and
that's the same I think on all motorcycles, even scooters
will flash on the peace sign.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
So there's not a special I mean, forgive my ignorance,
there's not a special sign only among Harley riders.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
No, it's the same as anytime you see another motorcyclist. Now,
a lot of times, you know, sport bikers won't maybe
acknowledge Harley riders or vice versa. Yeah, I think, but
it's the same signal, you know, two fingers like yeah,
and you do it in the most relaxed way you
can to show how cool I relax, I'm in control.

(35:33):
You are.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, very not very subtle.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yeah, I don't mind that I'm doing, you know, a
hairpin corner at ninety I can still this.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
So do you have you still have a couple du
katti's yeah, right, but now you've got a Harley. I'm
not going to ask you how many you have, but
does this feel like a complete stable for you at
the moment?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I honestly, I mean, okay, I've only had it for
a week, but I honestly feel like this is the
only bike that I need. Wow wow, unless I'm going
on longer tours than I'd rather have the multi Strata.
But yeah, I mean for just driving for a couple hours,

(36:20):
riding around you know, the Catskills are going up to
the Adirondacks, Like I, this is all I really need,
And I think it's a lot safer for me because,
like I said, if I'm on a twelve hundred cc
Testa Strada, you know, I feel like I'm wanting to
push the limits all the time. I just want to
go faster, I want to lean further, I want to

(36:43):
you know, get my adrenaline up, Whereas on this bike,
I'm just happy to have an open face helmet and
feel the wind blow my beard.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Like, you know, how has Mary you been on it?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
She has.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
When we went to Austin for the Moto GP, we
rented one and she rode on the back.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
But I know she rides too, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Was gonna say, like, I can imagine getting myself an
even bigger bike.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I got the Fat Bob, which is the Cruiser.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Right. I can imagine myself one day getting a road King,
which is a touring bike, and then letting her ride
the Cruiser.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh that could be cute.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I mean, maybe you ride it west, maybe you ride
it cross country for you know, Monterey Car Week, for instance.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
If I had the days off, if I had the
time to.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Do that, maybe we do a Hot Pursuit podcast extravaganza
from Monterey Car Week.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh you know what we should point out before we
wrap it up that we are going to Lamont.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
This is a really big deal. You guys everybody listening.
We are so excited about this. This is our first
co branded.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
UH Group Tricks.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Field trip to Lamon the twenty four hour race in June.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I'm super pumped, especially because, well, I'm glad that you're
going with me, and I've never seen the twenty four
Have you been to Laman before?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I've been to the track, I have not been to
the race.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay, I have also not been to this twenty four
hour race or any twenty four hour race.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's grueling. It is grueling, but it's fun.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I'm sure it'll be grueling. And also, I don't drink anymore,
so what do you do for twenty four hours? Well?
I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I don't know the answer to that, because I do drink.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I would be crushing beers at a twenty four hour race.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Normally, but yeah, the year I went, it rained quite
a bit. But Laman back to Lavon.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So we have an incredible lineup of guests, which I'm
also excited, like Jim Farley CEO Ford is gonna join us.
And it's so significant because Henry Ford, you know, started
the factory after winning a race, and Henry the second
took the race to Ferrari, you know, and now I

(39:08):
think I heard that Bill Ford, who is the chairman,
his son Will is now working in the motorsports division.
So like racing means a lot to this family.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Dude, Racing is the backbone of a lot of car companies,
and I don't expect normal consumers to understand or care.
And even admittedly, you know, part of the reason I've
never been to Lamon to cover it is because as
an editorial decision, we don't think that our readers are
that interested. It's rather obscure, a niche. But the truth is,

(39:41):
races like Lamon Daytona, these endurance championships are the backbone
of the development and just the core identity of a
lot of these car brands, including Ford. You know, it's
not just Porsie, It's not just Ferrari and expensive sports cars.
It's also for.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Well and Cadillac, you know. I mean, I'm going I
initially got invited by my friend Tom Wagner, our buddy
from this podcast, because he owns the Joda World Endurance
Class racing team and they work with Cadillac. So and
they're going to be an F one and they're getting

(40:21):
increasingly involved in it. But you know, the funny thing
is it's really the trade war that led me to
cover this or got I think that helped me get
permission to cover this because normally my bosses would be like, no,
you're not going to Lama. But the global trade war
has shown a light on the fact that, you know,
most of global trade is cars, Like it's such a

(40:42):
big business for global trade. And Lamon is like the
original proving ground. If your car could make it through this,
then people would buy it.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
And I think we should also say that Laman is
twenty four hours of driving and whoever goes the farthest wins.
It's a very simp pull concept. But imagine just driving
flat out for twenty four hours. Obviously you switch drivers,
but that's a very pure concept. When you talk about
approving ground, that's a very pure way to prove your

(41:14):
car's worth.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
I'm surprised Alex Roy doesn't do this race.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It feels like it's made for him. Yeah, all right,
we got to wrap it up. That's all we have
time for today. But wait, how are we going to
do this next week? Are we going to do a podcast?
Before we? Wait?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Is next week that the weekend we have two weeks.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Okay, good.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
I think we have same time, same place next week.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Actually, that's right.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
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Speaker 1 (41:42):
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