October 9, 2025 • 25 mins
Comedian Jimmy Kimmel thought his late-night show was over after ABC suspended the program following comments he made over the assassination of political activist Charlie Kirk.
“A list of demands was presented to me, and I was not going to go along with any of them,” the host said at the Bloomberg Screentime conference in Los Angeles on Wednesday. “And it’s like, well, I guess we’re done. I said to my wife, ‘That’s it. It’s over.’”
In a wide-ranging interview, his first since returning to the air, Kimmel said his comments about Kirk’s killing were “intentionally and maliciously mischaracterized” by the political right.
The host of Jimmy Kimmel Live! on Walt Disney Co.’s ABC network became a central figure in the Trump administration’s culture wars following the comments he made last month. Kimmel’s remarks prompted Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr to tell TV stations to drop the show or potentially face regulatory consequences.
Kimmel, whose contract is up in May, declined to say whether he will continue hosting the show after that.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio News.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I know it's been a weird few weeks, has it. Yeah,
I can sell. I want to start at the beginning,
if we can.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
When I was born. Yes, it was in a manger.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Well, so since you brought it up, we're going to
talk about everything that happened. Have you listened to this
AI podcast about your life?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No? I found it doing some research.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They have an AI voice that just narrates that The
first episode is your life until you get hired on ABC,
The second episode is your career at ABC until recently,
and the third episode is very recent.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We can fact check it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Does it have the details of my divorce? No, but
it does have a line. The Kimmels weren't wealthy, but
they weren't struggling either. They were in that sweet spot
of American middle class life where dreams seemed achievable and
laughter came easily around the dinner table.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's pretty spot on. This AI is terrified. How long
after the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Initial episode where you made the comments about the assassination
of Charlie Kirk the Monday episode? Yeah, did you realize
there was a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I didn't think there was a big problem.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I you know, I just saw it as distortion on
the part of some of the right wing media networks,
and I was I aimed to correct it. I have
problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny
because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem,
and then it turns into a big problem.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And then sometimes it goes the other.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna
be a problem nobody really notices. And so at what
point did you realize this was a problem. I think
when they pulled the show off the air, Well, that's unusual.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, And what were the conversations that Data and Bob
that led to that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I hate to disappoint you, but they were really good conversations.
I'm not actinking, I mean really really good conversations.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
They are.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
These are people that I've known for a long time
and who I like very much, and who were you know,
who wanted we all wanted this to work out best.
And I will tell you like, I mean, first of all,
I ruined Dana's weekend. It was just NonStop phone calls
all weekend. But I don't think what I don't think
the result, which I think turned out to be very positive.
(02:34):
Would have been as positive if I hadn't talked to
Dana as much as I did, because it helped me
think everything through and it helped me just kind of
understand where everyone was coming from. I can sometimes be reactionary,
I can sometimes be aggressive, and I can sometimes be unpleasant,
and I think that.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It helped me.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Really having those days to think about it was helpful.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I have a dumb question about this as someone who
is kind of reporting on it in real time, trying
to figure out what's happening. So the show goes up there,
you have all these conversations, and when you made it
or when you all made a decision put the show
back on the air, as my understanding of the time was,
it still wasn't exactly clear what you were going to say.
They still hadn't resolved the issues at the affiliates. So
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what are the what do you resolve in those conversations
to know you're going back if you haven't figured out
a lot of the things that come out of it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think just the spirit of what I'm going to
say rather than specifically what I was going to say,
And I think that's something that we all agreed on
and I think that ultimately, I wanted to kind of
cover every base if I could, and sometimes you can
do that and sometimes you can't do that. And it
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was something really that had to come from inside me.
It had to be truthful, and I had to lay
it all out there and just be honest about what
I was feeling and what I'd experienced. And I think
I did, and I think that it probably went about
as well as it could go. I knew that it
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wasn't going to be perfect, and there were always going
to be people that didn't like it and didn't accept it.
But the important thing to me was that I was
able to explain what I was saying, what I was
trying to say.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
If you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized,
I didn't feel like it anywhere It was intentionally and
I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah did you?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean, do you feel like you have become more
political in your commentary on the show over the course
of hosting it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
What do you think? I think?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think if you talked to me when my first
interaction with Timmy Kimmel was the man yeah, yeah, yeah,
which is you and Corolla at this point, as best
I can tell around and complete opposite ends of the
political spectrum, but still friends.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, and it's you know, it feels like you became
far more comfortable and insistent on talking not just about politics,
but about personal things. Maybe because you got older, maybe
because you've got more comfortable in the role, Maybe because
the world around has changed.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
All of those things. Yeah, all of those things, for sure.
I think maturity is part of it. I think you
figure out who you are. I think that when I
started the show, I was mostly my homepage was ESPN
dot com. It's kind of all I really cared about
was We've been a radio sports guy. I've been a
sports guy. I did football picks on Fox NFL Sunday
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for years.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
In radio, Yeah, I was on k Rock with Kevin
and Bean.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I was mostly interested in sports, and I was interested
in politics. I've always been a you know, even as
a kid. My parents are very liberal. I've been a
Democrat since I was a little boy. I think the
first like political cartoon I ever drew was of Jimmy
Carter and John Anderson. You know, It's like I was
like twelve or something, and I've always been interested in politics,
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but I was never a particularly political person. I also
think maybe maybe he did, but maybe he didn't have
to be back then, you know. I mean, I think
this is a very different situation.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That we're in now.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And also my job, as I see it, is to
talk about the news of the day, and these are
the big stories of the day pretty much every day.
And how much of that, Like, can you see a
difference because we're in Trump too?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Do you feel like it was.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The need to talk about politics is greater when he
has been president as opposed to when other people, like,
cause you started when Bush was president, then you had Obama, Trump,
Biden Trump. It does feel I think they've got more
political over time. But do you think it is also
sort of a I don't want to use the word quirk,
but a facet of Trump and his relationship at the media.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean, he's on TV all day every day,
so he gives us a lot to use to deal with.
You know, that's unusual. That's not how it used to be.
You occasionally get a video of George Bush, like walking
the wrong way on stage, and then you'd make a
week out of it, you know, or or somebody trips.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Or something like that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But now it's just you hear him, you see him,
you He's just presented himself so frequently at it makes it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's just more digestible, and.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's more digestible and less digestible at the same time. Right,
do you feel like you interact with a lot of comedians.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Do you think there's there's some.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Writers and comedians I've spoken with who feel like comedy
has actually been harder with him as president. What you
just said is, in a way, it's in some there's
more material to work with. What would you say his
impact on comedy has been.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, is there more I don't know if there's more material,
it's just more focused in one area. I'm not a
stand up comic. I know, for stand up comics, you know,
they work out their material and they do mostly that
material every night. So politics change so quickly, it doesn't
necessarily lend itself to that job. For me, I've always
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been more interested in doing new jokes every When I
started on the radio every day and doing new jokes
every night. I don't love the idea of repeating myself.
It feels more like acting to me than broadcasting. And
I think essentially I'm a broadcaster and I'm more interested
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in that, so I can't speak to whether it's made
their job more difficult. I know a lot of them
just try to stay away from it. And I get it,
you know, it's I get it. You're walking into a
town and you don't know who's in the room, and
you just want to make people laugh, and they're not
necessarily on a crusade, And I get it. And I
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don't think any of those guys should be required to
speak the way I do, or the way Stephen Colbert
does or John Stewart does. And I think that applies
to people on television too.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You don't have to do this, I choose to do it.
Since you came back, have you asked Trumper Car to
come on?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I wouldn't necessarily be interested in Brendan Carr on the show,
but yeah, I'd love to have Trump on the show
for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah. I mean, I feel like he knows that he wants.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I don't know, all right, I'll ask him.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'm curious about it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You had avise I'm sorry on this week and you
asked you pressed him a lot on the Rio Comedy
Festival that a bunch of Commis went and did do
you ask someone who interviews for a living. Did you
give him a heads up you were going to ask
him about that?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yes? I mean, you know how talk shows are.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We basically understand there's an understanding of what you're going
to talk about. Sometimes it veers off into various directions,
but you always they always know basically what the topics
are going to.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Be and why.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I guess did you feel as important to ask him
about that because you had a point of view on
comedians going to that festival.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It seemed like you were against it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I wouldn't have gone, but I wanted to hear his reasons,
and I thought he had some compelling reasons. And it's
nothing's black and white. It's not something I would do.
But I do understand the idea that if we close
ourselves off to the world or we isolate somebody, that
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maybe it's not good. I don't know that my my
reasoning is the correct reasoning. I also, well, you know,
we see it, and we see it happening in this
country too.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, we travel abroad.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Many of us don't want to be held accountable for
what our president does and says.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
As an American you know, going someplace.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm fortunate enough to be well known and people know
where I'm coming from. But I think it would be
a different situation if people didn't know who I was.
And I think I'd probably be the first thing i'd
say as I got into every cab is I didn't
vote for him?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Just FYI? You know? So I do think.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That there's you know that kind of makes me understand,
right that position?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Better? Have you done a paid gig for a desk?
It is that? Let me think Bill Gates once.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, that's two Bill Gates references.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And okay, and I would kill him in tennis. No, No,
I would not kill him in tennis. He would kill
me in tennis.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But you have But because you've interviewed so many, do you,
is there like a dream guest you've never had that
you still really want to have.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yes, I would love to have Banksy on the show. Yeah,
that's my dream.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Guess. Okay, some people have Daft Punk, you have Banksy.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, you brought up you brought up Colbert earlier.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You've spoken out a little bit. I think learned about
the coverage.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You feel like CBS or someone is putting numbers out
there about how much money easily thing and you think
that can't be possible.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Why is that it?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Because it just doesn't make any I know what the
budgets for these shows are.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I know what I make.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I know what Steven makes, I know what the ad
sales people make.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know that there are.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Values that nobody bothers to consider, like the affiliate fees
that have to be you have to account for a
portion of that when you talk about an hour of
television every night, five nights a week. So I know
that it's it's not forty million dollars. It is the
show losing money that I don't know. I can't imagine
it's losing a lot of money if it is, So what.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Is the ballpark? The budget for these shows these days?
One hundred and twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And so I may make about that much, a little more,
a little less. Yeah, I mean, you never really know,
you know, because how much?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
How much?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
How much do you attribute the affiliate fee to your
show versus every other?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
The specific affiliate fees. Each market has a different amount
that they pay. But I also know this, I know
that if we're losing so much money, none of us
would be on.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's kind of all you need to know. I mean,
he's not on.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
This is not PBS, you know, so yeah, well, yeah
he is not on. But if they lost forty million
dollars last year, they would have canceled it already. Yeah,
they would. They were sent everyone home. Okay, so you
set me up for that one. Your contract is up next,
may I believe?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah? Are you going to stick around past that? Well?
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I often answer that question and then I do the
opposite of what I said.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Previously said this is going to be my last one.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
A few last three contracts, I said this is the
last one.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So I've learned not to say anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Because it upsets my staff, and it's best that I
just you know, when I make a decision, I will
make that decision. Okay, since we're not going to get
into the decision. Have you made a decision and you're
just not ready to talk about it, or you haven't
made a decision, Well, that would kind of say that
I'd made a decision, right, So I think I'd just rather.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Rather not talk about it. Let's imagine a world. I'll
tell you when I decide. Okay, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Let's imagine a world after the show, because there will
be a moment after the show. Now, I don't know
when you don't know, you don't think. I can't imagine
that the world is going to go on without me?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But go ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Have you given any thought to what you'd want to
do after it? Your friends at Ted Sarandaz, you could
go on Netflix, your friends with Bill Simmons, you could
do a podcast, not trade one.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean besides playing Bogle on Netflix. I find Bogle
on Netflix. Yeah, I've given a thought, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I because I thought I really was going to leave,
like nine years ago, or whenever I said.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I was going to leave.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I started a production company, and I'm interested in a
lot of things.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You know, I have a lot of ideas.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Most of them are not good ideas, but some of
them I think are really good ideas, and they're not
just television related. I have a lot of different projects
that I'm interested in. I'm just like, I just what's
when you're really well, I'm working on a show with
Mark Rober on Netflix, and I'm working Tube for those
(15:36):
who don't Yeah, Mark rovers the YouTuber your kids know
who he is.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
If you don't know who he is. I've got a.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Sitcom with a guy named Chris Destefano's a very funny comic.
I've got some really some other projects that are not
television related that I can't necessarily talk about yet, but
I think are going to be really a lot of
fun and hopefully successful.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You mentioned talking about it being the end. I was curious.
I didn't ask you earlier.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Was there ever a moment in that kind of the
week or two of chaos where you thought your show
was never going to go back?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, yeah right, I did because and I'll tell you why.
Because you know, I'm a troublemaker just by nature. And
I my first year, the Lakers beat the Pistons in
the NBA playoffs and I said something to the effect of, well,
I hope they don't burn Detroit down.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And everyone in Detroit was very unhappy.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
This was the four Finals that the Lakers ended up losing,
but they want a game maybe in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah it was a game, all right, right, No, you're right,
but I said that, and people were mad and they
pulled me off the air in Detroit, and a guy
who's really been like. My mentor at ABC, Alex Wallow,
said to me, he said, you know, if we don't
have Detroit, you you're done the show.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
The show's over.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And I said really, and he said, yeah, you can't
go forward without a major market like that, which was
news to me. So I went to Detroit and did
the show for a week there and kissed as much
ass as I possibly could. But the idea that I
would not have whatever was forty affiliates, I mean, knowing
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that Trunker, I was like, well, that's it, because there
seemed to be a list of demands presented to me
that and I was not going to go along with
any of them. And I was like, well, I guess
I guess we're done.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I said to my wife, that's it. It's over.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Did you see that thing about the number of people
who canceled Disney Plus?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Because I did. Yeah, you think that's real? I hope. So,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean it gave me a feeling of power that
I've never had before.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You brought up YouTube, which I think a lot of
people would say has been sort of one of the
primary sources of the down fall of Late Night.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Our last little.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Bit, how have you changed your show to kind of
appeal to people on YouTube, and why do you think
you can't make more money there.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I never have changed my show to make it for YouTube.
I'm very conscious of the fact that ABC pays for
the show and YouTube pays nothing, and YouTube gets to
sell it and keep half the money. And that's quite
a deal for them, it really is. But I've never
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made the show for YouTube. With that said, I love
YouTube and I love being on YouTube because all you
really want, deep down is for as many people to
see your stuff as you can. And I know that
it has hurt because it is so easy to watch
the monologue on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I know that it has hurt the ratings not just
for our show but all of the shows. And maybe
that's kind of what has killed late night TV. More
likely the fact that we have our lead ins are
a tenth of what they were when I started.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's probably more likely the reason.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
But I love the idea that people in other countries
are watching YouTube. I love the idea that do you
look at the views for your I do, yes. I
looked recently, and I was alarmed to see that the
most watched video from your show had fewer reviews than
the average Mister Beast video. And I don't know what
that says about the state of the world, but I
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think it says mister Beast is kicking ass, is what
it says. Yeah, well, you know what, there is a
big difference. When you do the show every night, You're
not going to get as many views. But we still
I mean, I woke up this morning there were two
point two million views of my monologue the night before.
So for everyone who says Late Night is dying, it's
just not true.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We still have you know, you know it's probably a
three and.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
A half million right now, We'll still have five six
million people watching the show every night.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I mean, that's more than most of the primetime show, right,
And you know, all hear that about primetime ratings.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Get kind of covered in a weird bit, Like you
talked about two point two million views on YouTube, right,
And the metric for review on YouTube is totally different
from the metric for a view on TV.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right, you watch it for thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Big Talk is three seconds. I think YouTube is thirty.
You have to watch it for at least thirty So.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We have YouTube comms, right, here if you want to
and TV I think is like.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
A five minute chunk that you have.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
It's usually the average number of people watching it over
the full course is what the rating that gets reported.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
We had Greg up here.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Why do you think that topical comedy thing has never
really worked on Netflix?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I think maybe people are expecting something different.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
People are very regimented. Yea.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know, when we started our show, we wanted to
we wanted to do everything different. It was like, Oh,
we're going to do this and this is going to
be different. That's gonna be different. Over the years we realized, oh,
they just want to see a desk and the guests
and a band and don't fuck around with it. It's
it's a great format. It's it's Steve Allen invented it
fifty some years ago and it's exactly as it was then.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
For a reason.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, do you feel like, I know you're not part
of the decision making process on this at all, but
do you feel like there will be like the Tonight
Show would be the last show to get canceled?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I would assus yes, I think so.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Do you think that that show will last a really
long time? Or do you feel like eventually all these
shows go away and have to get reinvented and whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think there's I don't think there's a reason for
these shows to go away. I think there are different
there are ways. You know, it started out. These shows
started out because it was there were a way to
get high priced talent for almost free. That was the
whole trick. That was the whole reason they started these shows.
It was deemed to be promotional. So the idea that
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these shows need to cost one hundred and twenty million
dollars crazy don't need to cost one hundred and twenty
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And somebody will figure it out, and.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Just that's like what a hot Ones is makes the
similar concept for considerably less money, right Yeah, I mean
I think you could still have the same format. You
can still have a band, you can have all of
those things and still do the show for a lot
less money. It's just the people aren't going to make it.
The host is not going to make as much money,
and audience isn't going to be as big.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But that's okay, because I.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Mean I love seeing these you know, I love the
idea that people can make a living with two hundred
thousand viewers every day or every night, and they can
talk about weirdly specific things, and those people who are
really interested in those weirdly specific things have a place
to take those to absorb that stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I love the idea that a sixteen year old can
have their own TV show. What is the weirdest channel
you follow on YouTube or TikTok? Not on TikTok, I
do not put that on my phone. I follow let's
see on YouTube. Well, weirdly, my eight year old son,
he adds subscription to our list and there suddenly were
(23:02):
like eleven Jesus channels on my thing? Is this kid
a priest or maybe the Messiah? I don't know what
it is, but yeah, that's the weirdest one on our list.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, I have one last question for you. Who's going
to be the next CEO of Disney? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm never mentioned in this right and nobody ever, I mean,
like there are never any serious discussion. Well, I will
just say I wasn't. Actually, it will be very foolish
for me to answer that question. But I happened to
love Dana Walden very much, and I think she's done
a great job, and I think what has happened over
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the last like three weeks I think was very unfair
to my bosses at Disney. I don't think anyone should
ever be put in a position like this.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It is insane. And I hope that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
We drew a really, really bold red line as Americans
about what we will and will not accept them. I
really hope that that's what comes out of all of it.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That was not actually my last question because I did
not think you were going to answer it, but I
appreciate it. I guess related to that, if you could
give you talk about how comedies change, if you could
give one piece of advice to an up andcoming comedian
when you are an up and coming broadcaster, when you
see those people and you see the changes in media
around you, what do you other than like follow your passion?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What do you tell them to do?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I would tell them what I didn't get to do
when I was a kid. And sometimes I fantasize about
just starting all over again, because what I had to
do when I started in radio was hang around the
radio station for like three years, and then they let
me on a little bit, and then they let me
on a little more and then when they thought I
was funny, they let me on more. But it took
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so long for me to get on the air and
to learn to do the job that now I would
say start doing a podcast or a youth start a
YouTube channel. Do it every single day. It doesn't matter
if anybody's watching it. Just keep doing it over and
over and over and over again, and you're gonna get
If you have any talent, you're going to get good
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at it. And if you're good, I mean really, YouTube
is very It's if something is good, it will catch on,
you know, if something is interesting, people will take note
of it and it may take five years, but you'll
have something at the end of it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
This is great. Thanks for doing that. That was advice for you.
I appreciate it. That's
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I know it's been a weird few weeks, has it. Yeah,
I can sell. I want to start at the beginning,
if we can.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
When I was born. Yes, it was in a manger.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Well, so since you brought it up, we're going to
talk about everything that happened. Have you listened to this
AI podcast about your life?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
No? I found it doing some research.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
They have an AI voice that just narrates that The
first episode is your life until you get hired on ABC,
The second episode is your career at ABC until recently,
and the third episode is very recent.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We can fact check it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Does it have the details of my divorce? No, but
it does have a line. The Kimmels weren't wealthy, but
they weren't struggling either. They were in that sweet spot
of American middle class life where dreams seemed achievable and
laughter came easily around the dinner table.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's pretty spot on. This AI is terrified. How long
after the.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Initial episode where you made the comments about the assassination
of Charlie Kirk the Monday episode? Yeah, did you realize
there was a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I didn't think there was a big problem.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I you know, I just saw it as distortion on
the part of some of the right wing media networks,
and I was I aimed to correct it. I have
problems like all the time, and it's kind of funny
because sometimes you think, oh, this is not a problem,
and then it turns into a big problem.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
And then sometimes it goes the other.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Way where you think like, oh, oh, this is gonna
be a problem nobody really notices. And so at what
point did you realize this was a problem. I think
when they pulled the show off the air, Well, that's unusual.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, And what were the conversations that Data and Bob
that led to that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I hate to disappoint you, but they were really good conversations.
I'm not actinking, I mean really really good conversations.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
They are.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
These are people that I've known for a long time
and who I like very much, and who were you know,
who wanted we all wanted this to work out best.
And I will tell you like, I mean, first of all,
I ruined Dana's weekend. It was just NonStop phone calls
all weekend. But I don't think what I don't think
the result, which I think turned out to be very positive.
(02:34):
Would have been as positive if I hadn't talked to
Dana as much as I did, because it helped me
think everything through and it helped me just kind of
understand where everyone was coming from. I can sometimes be reactionary,
I can sometimes be aggressive, and I can sometimes be unpleasant,
and I think that.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It helped me.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Really having those days to think about it was helpful.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I have a dumb question about this as someone who
is kind of reporting on it in real time, trying
to figure out what's happening. So the show goes up there,
you have all these conversations, and when you made it
or when you all made a decision put the show
back on the air, as my understanding of the time was,
it still wasn't exactly clear what you were going to say.
They still hadn't resolved the issues at the affiliates. So
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what are the what do you resolve in those conversations
to know you're going back if you haven't figured out
a lot of the things that come out of it.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think just the spirit of what I'm going to
say rather than specifically what I was going to say,
And I think that's something that we all agreed on
and I think that ultimately, I wanted to kind of
cover every base if I could, and sometimes you can
do that and sometimes you can't do that. And it
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was something really that had to come from inside me.
It had to be truthful, and I had to lay
it all out there and just be honest about what
I was feeling and what I'd experienced. And I think
I did, and I think that it probably went about
as well as it could go. I knew that it
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wasn't going to be perfect, and there were always going
to be people that didn't like it and didn't accept it.
But the important thing to me was that I was
able to explain what I was saying, what I was
trying to say.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
If you felt like your initial comments had been mischaracterized,
I didn't feel like it anywhere It was intentionally and
I think maliciously mischaracterized.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah did you?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I mean, do you feel like you have become more
political in your commentary on the show over the course
of hosting it.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
What do you think? I think?
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I think if you talked to me when my first
interaction with Timmy Kimmel was the man yeah, yeah, yeah,
which is you and Corolla at this point, as best
I can tell around and complete opposite ends of the
political spectrum, but still friends.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, and it's you know, it feels like you became
far more comfortable and insistent on talking not just about politics,
but about personal things. Maybe because you got older, maybe
because you've got more comfortable in the role, Maybe because
the world around has changed.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
All of those things. Yeah, all of those things, for sure.
I think maturity is part of it. I think you
figure out who you are. I think that when I
started the show, I was mostly my homepage was ESPN
dot com. It's kind of all I really cared about
was We've been a radio sports guy. I've been a
sports guy. I did football picks on Fox NFL Sunday
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for years.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
In radio, Yeah, I was on k Rock with Kevin
and Bean.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I was mostly interested in sports, and I was interested
in politics. I've always been a you know, even as
a kid. My parents are very liberal. I've been a
Democrat since I was a little boy. I think the
first like political cartoon I ever drew was of Jimmy
Carter and John Anderson. You know, It's like I was
like twelve or something, and I've always been interested in politics,
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but I was never a particularly political person. I also
think maybe maybe he did, but maybe he didn't have
to be back then, you know. I mean, I think
this is a very different situation.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
That we're in now.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And also my job, as I see it, is to
talk about the news of the day, and these are
the big stories of the day pretty much every day.
And how much of that, Like, can you see a
difference because we're in Trump too?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Do you feel like it was.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The need to talk about politics is greater when he
has been president as opposed to when other people, like,
cause you started when Bush was president, then you had Obama, Trump,
Biden Trump. It does feel I think they've got more
political over time. But do you think it is also
sort of a I don't want to use the word quirk,
but a facet of Trump and his relationship at the media.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I mean, he's on TV all day every day,
so he gives us a lot to use to deal with.
You know, that's unusual. That's not how it used to be.
You occasionally get a video of George Bush, like walking
the wrong way on stage, and then you'd make a
week out of it, you know, or or somebody trips.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Or something like that.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But now it's just you hear him, you see him,
you He's just presented himself so frequently at it makes it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It's just more digestible, and.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's more digestible and less digestible at the same time. Right,
do you feel like you interact with a lot of comedians.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Do you think there's there's some.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Writers and comedians I've spoken with who feel like comedy
has actually been harder with him as president. What you
just said is, in a way, it's in some there's
more material to work with. What would you say his
impact on comedy has been.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Well, is there more I don't know if there's more material,
it's just more focused in one area. I'm not a
stand up comic. I know, for stand up comics, you know,
they work out their material and they do mostly that
material every night. So politics change so quickly, it doesn't
necessarily lend itself to that job. For me, I've always
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been more interested in doing new jokes every When I
started on the radio every day and doing new jokes
every night. I don't love the idea of repeating myself.
It feels more like acting to me than broadcasting. And
I think essentially I'm a broadcaster and I'm more interested
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in that, so I can't speak to whether it's made
their job more difficult. I know a lot of them
just try to stay away from it. And I get it,
you know, it's I get it. You're walking into a
town and you don't know who's in the room, and
you just want to make people laugh, and they're not
necessarily on a crusade, And I get it. And I
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don't think any of those guys should be required to
speak the way I do, or the way Stephen Colbert
does or John Stewart does. And I think that applies
to people on television too.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
You don't have to do this, I choose to do it.
Since you came back, have you asked Trumper Car to
come on?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I wouldn't necessarily be interested in Brendan Carr on the show,
but yeah, I'd love to have Trump on the show
for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah. I mean, I feel like he knows that he wants.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I don't know, all right, I'll ask him.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I'm curious about it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You had avise I'm sorry on this week and you
asked you pressed him a lot on the Rio Comedy
Festival that a bunch of Commis went and did do
you ask someone who interviews for a living. Did you
give him a heads up you were going to ask
him about that?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yes? I mean, you know how talk shows are.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
We basically understand there's an understanding of what you're going
to talk about. Sometimes it veers off into various directions,
but you always they always know basically what the topics
are going to.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Be and why.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I guess did you feel as important to ask him
about that because you had a point of view on
comedians going to that festival.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It seemed like you were against it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I wouldn't have gone, but I wanted to hear his reasons,
and I thought he had some compelling reasons. And it's
nothing's black and white. It's not something I would do.
But I do understand the idea that if we close
ourselves off to the world or we isolate somebody, that
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maybe it's not good. I don't know that my my
reasoning is the correct reasoning. I also, well, you know,
we see it, and we see it happening in this
country too.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, we travel abroad.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Many of us don't want to be held accountable for
what our president does and says.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
As an American you know, going someplace.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm fortunate enough to be well known and people know
where I'm coming from. But I think it would be
a different situation if people didn't know who I was.
And I think I'd probably be the first thing i'd
say as I got into every cab is I didn't
vote for him?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Just FYI? You know? So I do think.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
That there's you know that kind of makes me understand,
right that position?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Better? Have you done a paid gig for a desk?
It is that? Let me think Bill Gates once.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, that's two Bill Gates references.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And okay, and I would kill him in tennis. No, No,
I would not kill him in tennis. He would kill
me in tennis.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But you have But because you've interviewed so many, do you,
is there like a dream guest you've never had that
you still really want to have.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yes, I would love to have Banksy on the show. Yeah,
that's my dream.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Guess. Okay, some people have Daft Punk, you have Banksy.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, you brought up you brought up Colbert earlier.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You've spoken out a little bit. I think learned about
the coverage.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You feel like CBS or someone is putting numbers out
there about how much money easily thing and you think
that can't be possible.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Why is that it?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Because it just doesn't make any I know what the
budgets for these shows are.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I know what I make.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I know what Steven makes, I know what the ad
sales people make.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I know that there are.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Values that nobody bothers to consider, like the affiliate fees
that have to be you have to account for a
portion of that when you talk about an hour of
television every night, five nights a week. So I know
that it's it's not forty million dollars. It is the
show losing money that I don't know. I can't imagine
it's losing a lot of money if it is, So what.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Is the ballpark? The budget for these shows these days?
One hundred and twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And so I may make about that much, a little more,
a little less. Yeah, I mean, you never really know,
you know, because how much?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
How much?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
How much do you attribute the affiliate fee to your
show versus every other?
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
The specific affiliate fees. Each market has a different amount
that they pay. But I also know this, I know
that if we're losing so much money, none of us
would be on.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
That's kind of all you need to know. I mean,
he's not on.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
This is not PBS, you know, so yeah, well, yeah
he is not on. But if they lost forty million
dollars last year, they would have canceled it already. Yeah,
they would. They were sent everyone home. Okay, so you
set me up for that one. Your contract is up next,
may I believe?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah? Are you going to stick around past that? Well?
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I often answer that question and then I do the
opposite of what I said.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Previously said this is going to be my last one.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
A few last three contracts, I said this is the
last one.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
So I've learned not to say anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Because it upsets my staff, and it's best that I
just you know, when I make a decision, I will
make that decision. Okay, since we're not going to get
into the decision. Have you made a decision and you're
just not ready to talk about it, or you haven't
made a decision, Well, that would kind of say that
I'd made a decision, right, So I think I'd just rather.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Rather not talk about it. Let's imagine a world. I'll
tell you when I decide. Okay, all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Let's imagine a world after the show, because there will
be a moment after the show. Now, I don't know
when you don't know, you don't think. I can't imagine
that the world is going to go on without me?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But go ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Have you given any thought to what you'd want to
do after it? Your friends at Ted Sarandaz, you could
go on Netflix, your friends with Bill Simmons, you could
do a podcast, not trade one.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean besides playing Bogle on Netflix. I find Bogle
on Netflix. Yeah, I've given a thought, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I because I thought I really was going to leave,
like nine years ago, or whenever I said.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I was going to leave.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I started a production company, and I'm interested in a
lot of things.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You know, I have a lot of ideas.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Most of them are not good ideas, but some of
them I think are really good ideas, and they're not
just television related. I have a lot of different projects
that I'm interested in. I'm just like, I just what's
when you're really well, I'm working on a show with
Mark Rober on Netflix, and I'm working Tube for those
(15:36):
who don't Yeah, Mark rovers the YouTuber your kids know
who he is.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
If you don't know who he is. I've got a.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Sitcom with a guy named Chris Destefano's a very funny comic.
I've got some really some other projects that are not
television related that I can't necessarily talk about yet, but
I think are going to be really a lot of
fun and hopefully successful.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
You mentioned talking about it being the end. I was curious.
I didn't ask you earlier.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Was there ever a moment in that kind of the
week or two of chaos where you thought your show
was never going to go back?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, yeah right, I did because and I'll tell you why.
Because you know, I'm a troublemaker just by nature. And
I my first year, the Lakers beat the Pistons in
the NBA playoffs and I said something to the effect of, well,
I hope they don't burn Detroit down.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And everyone in Detroit was very unhappy.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
This was the four Finals that the Lakers ended up losing,
but they want a game maybe in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah it was a game, all right, right, No, you're right,
but I said that, and people were mad and they
pulled me off the air in Detroit, and a guy
who's really been like. My mentor at ABC, Alex Wallow,
said to me, he said, you know, if we don't
have Detroit, you you're done the show.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
The show's over.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
And I said really, and he said, yeah, you can't
go forward without a major market like that, which was
news to me. So I went to Detroit and did
the show for a week there and kissed as much
ass as I possibly could. But the idea that I
would not have whatever was forty affiliates, I mean, knowing
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that Trunker, I was like, well, that's it, because there
seemed to be a list of demands presented to me
that and I was not going to go along with
any of them. And I was like, well, I guess
I guess we're done.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I said to my wife, that's it. It's over.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Did you see that thing about the number of people
who canceled Disney Plus?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Because I did. Yeah, you think that's real? I hope. So,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I mean it gave me a feeling of power that
I've never had before.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You brought up YouTube, which I think a lot of
people would say has been sort of one of the
primary sources of the down fall of Late Night.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Our last little.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Bit, how have you changed your show to kind of
appeal to people on YouTube, and why do you think
you can't make more money there.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I never have changed my show to make it for YouTube.
I'm very conscious of the fact that ABC pays for
the show and YouTube pays nothing, and YouTube gets to
sell it and keep half the money. And that's quite
a deal for them, it really is. But I've never
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made the show for YouTube. With that said, I love
YouTube and I love being on YouTube because all you
really want, deep down is for as many people to
see your stuff as you can. And I know that
it has hurt because it is so easy to watch
the monologue on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I know that it has hurt the ratings not just
for our show but all of the shows. And maybe
that's kind of what has killed late night TV. More
likely the fact that we have our lead ins are
a tenth of what they were when I started.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That's probably more likely the reason.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
But I love the idea that people in other countries
are watching YouTube. I love the idea that do you
look at the views for your I do, yes. I
looked recently, and I was alarmed to see that the
most watched video from your show had fewer reviews than
the average Mister Beast video. And I don't know what
that says about the state of the world, but I
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think it says mister Beast is kicking ass, is what
it says. Yeah, well, you know what, there is a
big difference. When you do the show every night, You're
not going to get as many views. But we still
I mean, I woke up this morning there were two
point two million views of my monologue the night before.
So for everyone who says Late Night is dying, it's
just not true.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
We still have you know, you know it's probably a
three and.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
A half million right now, We'll still have five six
million people watching the show every night.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
I mean, that's more than most of the primetime show, right,
And you know, all hear that about primetime ratings.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Get kind of covered in a weird bit, Like you
talked about two point two million views on YouTube, right,
And the metric for review on YouTube is totally different
from the metric for a view on TV.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Right, you watch it for thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Big Talk is three seconds. I think YouTube is thirty.
You have to watch it for at least thirty So.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We have YouTube comms, right, here if you want to
and TV I think is like.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
A five minute chunk that you have.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
It's usually the average number of people watching it over
the full course is what the rating that gets reported.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
We had Greg up here.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Why do you think that topical comedy thing has never
really worked on Netflix?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I think maybe people are expecting something different.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
People are very regimented. Yea.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
You know, when we started our show, we wanted to
we wanted to do everything different. It was like, Oh,
we're going to do this and this is going to
be different. That's gonna be different. Over the years we realized, oh,
they just want to see a desk and the guests
and a band and don't fuck around with it. It's
it's a great format. It's it's Steve Allen invented it
fifty some years ago and it's exactly as it was then.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
For a reason.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, do you feel like, I know you're not part
of the decision making process on this at all, but
do you feel like there will be like the Tonight
Show would be the last show to get canceled?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I would assus yes, I think so.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Do you think that that show will last a really
long time? Or do you feel like eventually all these
shows go away and have to get reinvented and whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think there's I don't think there's a reason for
these shows to go away. I think there are different
there are ways. You know, it started out. These shows
started out because it was there were a way to
get high priced talent for almost free. That was the
whole trick. That was the whole reason they started these shows.
It was deemed to be promotional. So the idea that
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these shows need to cost one hundred and twenty million
dollars crazy don't need to cost one hundred and twenty
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And somebody will figure it out, and.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Just that's like what a hot Ones is makes the
similar concept for considerably less money, right Yeah, I mean
I think you could still have the same format. You
can still have a band, you can have all of
those things and still do the show for a lot
less money. It's just the people aren't going to make it.
The host is not going to make as much money,
and audience isn't going to be as big.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
But that's okay, because I.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Mean I love seeing these you know, I love the
idea that people can make a living with two hundred
thousand viewers every day or every night, and they can
talk about weirdly specific things, and those people who are
really interested in those weirdly specific things have a place
to take those to absorb that stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I think that's great.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I love the idea that a sixteen year old can
have their own TV show. What is the weirdest channel
you follow on YouTube or TikTok? Not on TikTok, I
do not put that on my phone. I follow let's
see on YouTube. Well, weirdly, my eight year old son,
he adds subscription to our list and there suddenly were
(23:02):
like eleven Jesus channels on my thing? Is this kid
a priest or maybe the Messiah? I don't know what
it is, but yeah, that's the weirdest one on our list.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, I have one last question for you. Who's going
to be the next CEO of Disney? Oh?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'm never mentioned in this right and nobody ever, I mean,
like there are never any serious discussion. Well, I will
just say I wasn't. Actually, it will be very foolish
for me to answer that question. But I happened to
love Dana Walden very much, and I think she's done
a great job, and I think what has happened over
(23:43):
the last like three weeks I think was very unfair
to my bosses at Disney. I don't think anyone should
ever be put in a position like this.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
It is insane. And I hope that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
We drew a really, really bold red line as Americans
about what we will and will not accept them. I
really hope that that's what comes out of all of it.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
That was not actually my last question because I did
not think you were going to answer it, but I
appreciate it. I guess related to that, if you could
give you talk about how comedies change, if you could
give one piece of advice to an up andcoming comedian
when you are an up and coming broadcaster, when you
see those people and you see the changes in media
around you, what do you other than like follow your passion?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What do you tell them to do?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I would tell them what I didn't get to do
when I was a kid. And sometimes I fantasize about
just starting all over again, because what I had to
do when I started in radio was hang around the
radio station for like three years, and then they let
me on a little bit, and then they let me
on a little more and then when they thought I
was funny, they let me on more. But it took
(24:50):
so long for me to get on the air and
to learn to do the job that now I would
say start doing a podcast or a youth start a
YouTube channel. Do it every single day. It doesn't matter
if anybody's watching it. Just keep doing it over and
over and over and over again, and you're gonna get
If you have any talent, you're going to get good
(25:11):
at it. And if you're good, I mean really, YouTube
is very It's if something is good, it will catch on,
you know, if something is interesting, people will take note
of it and it may take five years, but you'll
have something at the end of it.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
This is great. Thanks for doing that. That was advice for you.
I appreciate it. That's
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