January 29, 2025 • 35 mins
A family moves to the country to get away from the crime of the big city only to find that evil exists in small towns and big cities alike. A 17-year-old girl develops a close bond to a harmless older neighbor, but the harmless old man is really a wolf in sheep's clothing and when the 17-year-old goes missing the neighbor helps look as hard as anyone. As long as nobody comes to his house to look too close. For 173 days the girl is missing, her heartbroken parents don't realize she is only 100 feet away from their front door. Buried in a homemade box, just for her.
Joseph Scott Morgan breaks down the case of the teen girl hidden away in a homemade coffin and how difficult it will be to get the evidence to determine what really caused her death. Dave Mack joins in on the search for facts, and Valerie Tindall.
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00:01:02 Discussion of 173 days without knowing location of your child
00:02:26 Valerie Tindall, 17, and missing
00:03:29 Mother said Patrick Scott acted like jealous boyfriend
00:04:21 Discussion of age difference
00:06:55 Valerie Tindall is missing
00:10:00 Talk about Forensic Anthropology
00:11:28 Disturbed areas of soil in backyard
00:12:30 17-year-old girl bonds with 59-year-old man, odd
00:13:22 What does FBI mean to a case
00:14:32 The neighbor Valerie has “bond” with charged with lying to police
00:16:03 Discussion of providing false hope to lure out suspect
00:17:24 Investigators wonder if someone is helping her stay gone
00:18:29 Victim has been missing since June
00:22:24 Bright Orange fingernail polish Valerie Tindall was wearing
00:23:29 Taking down a structure, burning, why?
00:27:17 Talk about the VHS tapes found in box
00:29:11 Discussion of murder weapon, a belt
00:30:56 Suspect claims he is the victim?
00:32:29 Discussion about condition of the body
00:33:39 Why did the suspect dig holes in his property?
00:35:17 Talk about the story from the suspect does not make sense
00:36:35 Some evidence might have been lost
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Body backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't care how
old I get or how old my youngins get. I
can't escape being a father, and trust me, I don't
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want to. There are just certain moments in time where
I need to have a dose of connectivity with my kids,
where you know, I can talk to them, laugh with them,
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maybe advise them. Heck, even they advise me sometimes. Remember
I'm a college professor. I don't understand the generation I'm
working with right now. I've got a college student that
is my son. He helps me, but you know, I
wait for those calls. He calls me several times a day.
My daughter calls me, and I talk to my grands.
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I cannot imagine going one hundred and seventy three days
not knowing, not knowing where my seventeen year old angel is.
There's no way I can really fathom that. But Valerie
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Tendalls parents had to endure that. And the really chilling
part of it is that for those one hundred and
seventy three days, her body was buried beneath the ground
less than one hundred yards away from their front steps.
(01:58):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body backs, Dave,
we love those babies. Hard to get past that, don't
want to get past it. It's hard to take the
measure of the grief of a parent. You know, when
you're out of touch with your kids. It's a handwringing
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moment in time. I guess some people are you know,
will say, well, they're on their own, they're out of
the house. We're talking about seventeen year old here. They're
not out on their own. We're talking about a seventeen
year old high school student who, by the way, I
have to state this, values parents had moved to the
town of Arlington, Indiana, in order, in their words, to
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get away from the crime that apparently, according to them,
infested Indianapolis. They wanted to move to this safe, rural
location and they got away from Indianapolis. But once they
lighted in Arlington, you know, all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
They can't find their interlting that so many of the
stories that we do, Joe, are out in the country
where you think everything's safe, never expected anything like this.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
We hear that a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, a different level of horror, isn't it. It almost
makes it more horrific. I think it's an introduction of chaos.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Chaos is exactly what Patrick Scott brings to Valerie Tyndall's family.
You know, Valerie Tyndall worked for Patrick Scott for about
two years. She's seventeen years old, he's fifty nine. And
Valerie's mom said that Valerie Tyndall and Patrick Scott had
a very close bond. They just clicked. And mom says
she wasn't really worried about the fifty nine year old
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Scott and her seventeen year old daughter until she noticed
that Patrick Scott started acting like a jealous boyfriend with
regard to Valerie Tyndall. Bothered mom a little bit. Wednesday,
Gen seventh, Valerie says she's had to work. Mom says, really,
because Valerie doesn't usually work Wednesdays, so mom was worried
that afternoon when Valerie Tendall doesn't come home from work,
her mom reaches out by self, tries calling and goes
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right to voicemail, tries texting, there's no reply. She calls
Patrick Scott and he says she wasn't working with me today.
Immediately on the phone with cops. We've got to file
a missing person's report and they begin the search. It's
five months later, five months and Patrick Scott has been
caught lying to believe several times. Five months of searching,
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and Valerie Tendall's body is found inside a homemade box
a coffin and buried less than one hundred yards from
her family's back door. Hang on, let me do the
math real quick. Forty two years, Yeah, forty two. He's
fifty nine, she's seventeen.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Forty two years. You think about that, Why would you
other than wanting to maybe help a kid that you
see maybe has some potential, maybe you see something in
them where they might be a hard worker. But beyond that, Wow,
why in the world would you have any interest in
a seventeen year old child because she's a child?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
She's child?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Dare I don't understand it. And let me say one
more thing. I was talking about the beauty of being,
you know, in kind of a more isolated area, you
feel safe. My contention always has been I don't believe
in the image of the devil that we have in
our brain, where he's cloven hoofs and a long red
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tail and horns and all that. I think the devil
shows up most of the time and it is something
that might be attractive. I think that that's what again.
And attraction can come in any number. It can come
with the comforting of parents, you know, to let them know, hey,
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you've landed it a good place. We're right here. I've
got my granddaughter here. She's your daughter's age. You know,
everything's cool. Hey, you want a job, I got a job.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I got a job.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh yeah, Now I'll take her out to dinner every
now and then. Whatn't the hell is a fifty nine
year old man doing taking a seventeen year old out
for dinner?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And they did go to dinner now, yeah. Patrick Scott
claimed it was just a thank you dinner, that's all.
It was just a thank you dinner, just saying thanks.
But when you start adding these up, Valerie Tyndall's mother,
Sherry Sanderfer, said that Patrick Scott started acting like a
jealous boyfriend when it came to Valerie Tendall add that
with Scherry Sanderfer told WRTV that someone else overheard Patrick
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Scott telling Valerie Tindall that he was planning on taking
her out to lunch some place special in Indianapolis, and
he did this just hours before she vanished. If you're
gonna do a big thank you dinner or lunch. Then
you're gonna invite her mom and dad her, You're gonna
invite your granddaughter. If it's just to say thank you,
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somebody else is coming. It's not gonna just be the
two of you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, and I think that's that's the here. But
interestingly enough, this fellaw. He flips this script around and
he's saying, essentially, according to the police, he confessed, and
he confessed to this, and in his confession he's making
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the statement where this is the ultimate in victim blaming
to me, that you're going to put this on the
shoulders of a seventeen year old child. And we know this, Dave,
You and I have covered a lot of territory with
one another. We know this that dead can never ever
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defend themselves. I'd thrown up number when we first started off,
(08:07):
days upon days upon weeks upon weeks that Valerie, seventeen
year old Valerie Tendall was missing. The way the circumstances
are kind of playing out in this case, and again
I want to tell everybody this is ongoing investigation at
this point in time, but what has alleged to have
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happened was that she vanished. She vanished. Valerie just vanished
into thin air after having last been seen in his
company or approximating his company. And remember their homes. Their
homes are, like I said, about one hundred yards apart.
(08:49):
That's a football field, Dave, that's a football field.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
The Scott home is about is behind technically speaking from
where the road is, it's behind the Tendall home. Now
to get to the time line. Valerie Tindall last scene
June seventh. She tells her parents that she's going to
work for Patrick Scott, going to work just like normal.
She vanishes and within a matter of days, you know,
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Patrick Scott is going to be somebody they're going to
look at. You're always going to look at the last
person with the person who's missing. On June tenth, Indiana
State Police issued a silver alert for Valerie Tindall. October eleventh,
cadaver dogs search Scott's home and indicate a body somewhere.
That's October eleventh. The police keep coming. They search his property,
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they are looking everywhere. They're not really showing their cards,
but it's enough for him to know he's not just
a suspect. He is their main suspect. The last person
with her October twelfth police spot disturbed earth on Scott's property.
Now you've been down this road many times before with investigations.
(10:03):
How do you tell when dirt has been if you've
got a lot of property, how do you tell.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oldzheimer's use to refer to it is turned to earth,
And yeah, yeah, it's It's definitely different when you think
about the what we refer to in death investigation and
specifically forensic anthropology, when you're looking at the teponomy of soil,
and that's all the composition of the soil, the surrounding area,
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if there is activity that's going in or going on
around there. It's very simple too. This is again we're
not going to the moon. You've got an area of
turned or disturbed earth where there is little or no
packing to the soil, and you can look at it
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and contrast it very quickly with the other surrounding area,
which is most of the time very tightly packed. I
hope that everyone if you live in a standalone residence
or you know, or maybe in your backyard you've got
a flower bed, okay, and then you look at the
rest of your yard where it's distinctly packed down where
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you're you know, you've got grass growing, you got a lawn,
more going over the area with turned earth, if you've
got a flower bed, for instance, you'll see clots of earth,
clots of dirt, and also one of the biggest telltale signs.
And this is what they saw they did. They actually
did a drone fly over day and one of the
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things that you see are not necessarily what you would
think with earth being mounded up. It's actually these small
little depressions that are in the soil. And these can
be spotted pretty quickly even from the air. You'll see
that little bits of earth in very specific spaces where
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the soil appears to have a sunken appearance to it.
And I don't know if this is in great surprise
to you, Dave, but I got to I'm going to
say something here that sent a chill up my spine.
That is that they did see evidence of an area
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in his backyard of disturbed earth. But Dave, they also
said that they saw multiple areas of disturbed earth on
his property. Now, when I begin to hear that, for
me and I think about an older fellaw who has
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taken the life of by his own admission, according to
the police, of a seventeen year old, and you've got
a relationship that is, let's face it, it's abnormal. And yes,
just so we understand, there are certain things in life
that are abnormal. Okay, this is not a normal set
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of circumstances. You begin to think, if you've got multiple
sites of disturbed earth, my gosh, man, what else could to.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
This point that one?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'll give you one more. Locals were involved in this
investigation as are I say are currently locals are involved
in it. State police are involved in it. They've had
are you ready for this? Forty four zero FBI agents
involved in this case. You do not get forty FBI
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agents involved in anything unless they're highly motivated where they're
thinking there's more to this, and it just I was
gobsmacked when I heard the number of recent because you know,
you have to look at that. Let's look at it
in dollar signs, and we all know if you look
(14:02):
at it from dollar signs, you know the government, you know,
this seems like they spend money on anything. But when
you think about the manpower that's assigned to this, I
don't even know where would you go to get forty
FBI agents in state of Indiana. Well, that tells me that, yeah,
they probably have field offices that are involved in this.
(14:22):
But when you start to get up into those numbers
like that, you're talking about potentially bringing in specialists from
other locations. Certainly their evidence response team is probably out there.
That's the famous EERT teams that come out and do this.
And I don't know if they've got other assets that
may have descended in this location from Langley. Perhaps we
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don't know because nothing has really come out relative to that,
and in the FEDS are notorious for keeping their mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Mister Scott was charged in June with providing false information
to police after lying about the last time he saw
about Tendall. He allegedly told police that he had dropped
her off in town Homer, which is located about five
miles south of Arlington, and that he got she had
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gotten into a car with an unknown person. That was
his first story to police. You know you're the last
person with her, What did you, guys do? They knew
that was a lie. So if you've got the next
door neighbor, a fifty nine year old man who this
young woman mom says the relationship seemed odd. He seemed
to look at her like he's a jealous boyfriend. Police
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are coming down on him, but that's it. He lies
to him, and that's they don't do anything well. Two
months after that, in August of twenty twenty three, the
Rush County Sheriff's Department said investigators quote believe it is
possible that Valerie has been receiving aid from an individual
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or individuals whose goal is to keep her hidden. I
remember covering this and thinking, somebody, did she run away
on her own? First things first, did she run away
and now somebody is helping her stay gone? Or did
somebody kidnap her and they are hiding her away because
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somehow these the police believe she is still alive. At
that point, I'm just curious. You've got a fifty nine
year old next door neighbor that she works for, who
the mom says that he's too close to her. He
kind of acts like a jelo's boyfriend. Then you got
the police saying we think somebody's helping her stay hidden.
I have to wonder what the police were actually, you know,
were they being truthful when they said that, or were
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they lay in breadcrumbs? Were they trying to bring this
guy out.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, And I don't know. My gut reaction is to
say that that is probably the case. There's a sad
side to that because if that's what they're putting out
in public, I wonder if that's what they're telling the family,
because in making that statement, you're providing the family with
something you can't back up, which is hope, hope, and
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and that's a sad, sad set of circumstances to even consider.
I think it's the worst.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Of the instigation, Joe.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Would they sit the family off of the side and say, hey,
we're going to put something out in the public. Would
they do that with the family? I don't know, as
I think that it could happen. I'll put it to
you that way, all right, it could very well happen.
How in the world, you know, if you're a parent,
you can maintain restraint during that period of time, because
I got to tell you, I'm going to the closest
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microphone I can find. I want my baby back home.
I want to be able to wrap my arms around her.
And in this case, I think that they were attempting
to exhaust every resource.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That they had. But it seems to me that they
knew something early on and they had peg Scot back
when this thing initially kicked off, because you know, you
you I don't know, and we don't know a lot
about the family dynamic. Yet we do know there's one
assertion by her mother that she had had trouble when
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she was younger. So what was that trouble was in
nature of the trouble. I think that a lot of
this will eventually be revealed and we'll know more, But
to this point, we don't know if that had had
she ever run away before? And I think that that's
something to consider because look, I mean, face it, kids
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run away every day. So if you've got that kind
of background, they're gonna look at that. They're gonna say, Okay,
is this is this evidence that she has perhaps if
she's previously run away, perhaps she's done this again, and
they're going to exhaust that. But you know, as Tom
moves on with this case and over these loathies many
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many weeks that she's been missing. We're talking about from
June of twenty twenty three up until they have recovered
valorious remains in November of twenty twenty three. Uh, they've
had to exhaust everything till and it's it's kind of
a narrow wing from the perspective of an investigation. You're
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trying to uh, you're trying to get rid of any
kind of outliers that might not that are going to
take you down a dead end path. And I think
all paths at this point at least lead discuss I've
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had so many families over the course of my career
say to me, I want to see the body. I
want to see the body, mister Morgan, and I'll try
to tell them, no, no, you can't do that. There's
too much trauma, or your loved one's remains are so decomposed.
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And you know what mothers always say to me, Dave,
in those circumstances, they always say, I want to see
my baby's body because I know that I will recognize
my baby. I would recognize my baby under any circumstances.
And as it turns out with Valerie, they did find
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her body, but there was no need. There was no
need for the mother to see her in the condition
in which I believe that they probably found her because
they were able to identify her in a very unique way. Actually,
the first point of identification along this horrible story was
a color fingernails.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Working to the documents and observe an officer actually observed
the human remains located within a box and he described
instantly spotting orange fingernails on the deceased body. And that
was it for all the police there. The search was over.
They knew right then that that was Valerie. Granted, you know,
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you're going to have to go through all of the
other you have to identify this positively, and they have
done that now. But it was the fingernail color or
bright orange that matched a photograph they found on social
media that Valerie Tenttle posted on June seventh. So now
we're looking at this day and time where the body
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found on Patrick Scott's property inside a homemade box constructed
of two by fours and strand boards. A second box
was located that contained papers and old VHS tapes. Within
(22:04):
a matter of days of Valerie Tendall going missing, patrick
Scott's barn garage burned down. That seems awfully suspicious to me, Joe,
that all of a sudden you have a major fire
where we know a missing seventeen year old spent a
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I didn't. You know, remember he had a lawn service,
and so you would think that he'd probably keep his
equipment probably approximating that area or within that structure. But
he was actually seen Dave taking a part or disassembling
the barn, which I don't know if you've ever done this,
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but I've disassembled buildings out buildings before. It's no, you know,
it's no. It's not for the faint of heart. It
takes work to do this, but to go to the
trouble to dismantle the structure that's been on the property
and then to set fire to it, you know, I
think any reasonable investigator would ask the question, what's going
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on here? What was the purpose of this? Were you
planning to erect another structure? Did you have a burn permit?
You know, all these sorts of things that they can
look at and try to understand. And then how does
this area approximate the area where she was buried? Was
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the debris then placed over the top of her remains
or where her remains were found? And I had a
thought about this, you know, when you're talking about cadaver dogs,
I'm really wondering. And we all know what burn debris smells.
Like and structure materials. They have a unique smell when
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you burn them. It's not like going out in the
woods and just collecting firewood, because they're treated. You know,
you've got other debris that are in there, and it's
got this unique smell. I wonder if somebody would utilize
this in an attempt to mask the smell of decomposing remains.
I wonder if that might be the case for something
like this.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I didn't think about that until right this minute, as
you were saying that. Joe didn't occur to me, But
we all know that human remains the decomposition it has
an odor that is very unique once you smell. I
hate to say this, but when you smell the dead body,
you know immediately what it is and you'll never forget it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You know. I thought about this, and I'm thinking, you know,
if you were to be the type of person that
would go out and actually kill a seventeen year old
and you're wanting to mask it, you know how better
to do that, because maybe you're wise enough to the
point where you know that just burying them well, containing
building a container and wrapping them in plastic, by the way,
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is going to be insufficient to the task, even if
you put them beneath the earth. You know, you've watched
enough TV to know that dogs are smart and they're
wise to this sort of thing based upon their spectrum
which they smell. So you're thinking, you know, is that
a possibility? Is that something that happened? But Dave, I
got to back up for a second, because I'm really
(25:15):
intrigued by this idea that they've found this other and
it is a separate adjacent box, which Scott allegedly claimed
that he had been putting stuff in since July. I think,
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and what they found in there you stated were miscellaneous
papers in VHS tapes. Now, I gotta tell you, my
kids came up in the nineties. I had more VHS
tapes than I can shake a stick at. I mean
tons of them, and because they watched them constantly. VHS
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tapes are fragile. And if you're going to burn something,
if you're gonna have a fire anyway and you don't
want it around, why aren't you going to burn VHS tapes?
Why not? I mean, they are easily enough destroyed. Why
would you create a separate vessel if you will, in
order to contain them? Why would you value VHS tapes
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so much? And these miscellaneous papers whatever those are. But
why would you value those tapes so much that you
would put them into this separate vessel and bury them
and hold on to them.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We have a story from Patrick Scott. That's the only
story that we do not know cause of death.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
No yet we don't.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
All right, what am I going to find? He says.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Valerie Tendall, the seventeen year old came to his house
and came on to him sexually, made a pass at
him because she wanted to blackmail him over buying here
a new car. Yeah, she wanted him to buy her
a car. And I'm trying to figure out exactly you
know what, because if she was going to blackmail him
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as easily just there would be no need for any
kind of sexual activity between the two. She would merely
just claim it and that would be the end of it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yes, So this is your default position. If you have
a seventeen year old that approaches you with this proposal.
I'm going to say that you try to rape me
or have a sexual relationship with me in order to
get you to purchase. So your default position is and
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this is by his own admission, Dave. He takes his
belt off, which was I guess holding up his trousers,
wraps it around her neck allegedly according to him, and
begins to apply pressure, which said belt to her neck until,
according to him, this is his words, quote, she quit.
(28:05):
What does that mean? She quit? She quit advancing, she
quit threatening, or she quit breathing. So that's your living
that that's yeah, quit living that. That's your response. You're
you're not running out of the room and screaming from
the housetops. You know that this this young girl is
trying to blackmail me or do whatever. No, your response
(28:27):
is to take a belt off and wrap around her neck. Here.
Here's here's the really bizarre thing. According to the police,
he's still wearing that belt.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Oh yeah, put it right back on, put it right back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And continued to wear the belt. And for me, you couple,
let me just go on a limb here, and let's
just say a hypothetical, okay, hypothetical circumstance. You've got an
individual that is interested in taking the life of someone,
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let's say a teenager, and you want to memorialize them
in some way because it's what you do. And so
you want to hold on to the instrument of death,
and not just hold on to it, but wear it
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to hold up your trousers. And you're going to retain
VHS tapes as well and bury them not some distance, Dave,
but immediately adjacent to the remains of the seventeen year
old that he has alleged, by his own words, he
is alleged to have killed whit said belt. Something's not
(29:49):
adding up here for me.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Here's the problem with this story. The alleged killer says
that she was coming on to him sexually and that
she was trying to blackmail him into by buying a car,
so he was so put off by it. He was
so disgusted by her play for him sexually that he
wrapped his belt around her neck and strangled her. If
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her play is to blackmail him into buying a car,
she wouldn't have had to make a play for him
sexually if that was the end game. The end game
isn't that she has sex with you and you you know,
then she blackmails you into buying a car. That doesn't
play right because he's claiming that they didn't do anything.
I'm saying, is there going to be proof now? Joe
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this five months later, her body is wrapped in a box.
I'm assuming that her because they could tell the fingernails
were bright orange. That this young woman was not burned
in the gar in the fire. No, that her body
is it's going to be decomposed somewhat.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But could they determine that not somewhat significantly A lot? Yeah,
for folks that have I've spent time in Indiana in
the summertime, it's hot, it's humid. She went missing back
in June. And here's the other thing about the degree
to which she was probably decomposed. She's wrapped in plastic.
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And so what does plastic do. Well, we know that
if we wrap anything in plastic, the item that is wrapped, well,
the plastic sweats, so that creates humidity, it retains heat too.
It's going to promote ongoing decompositional process. I would probably
state that at least some of her body contained. Even
(31:34):
though it was contained, some of her body was probably
skeletonized to a certain degree. Now that doesn't mean that
her body was disarticulated or anything like that. It just
simply means that over a period of time under this
intense heat, because there would have been heat even though
she's buried in the earth. Because of the containment of
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the body, the body is breaking down and in this environment,
with the kind of this wet, humid environment contained within
the structure that he, by the way, has created with screws,
he's actually screwed this thing together. According to him, did
he make.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It just to the purposes of putting her body in it?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yes? Yes, yeah, that he did. He structured this thing
and it's like a homemade coffin.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Let me ask you this, Joe. Because there were disturbed
areas all over his property. Police served fifty search warrants
related to this case. Fifty search warrants over five months.
We know they found areas, several areas disturbed on the property.
Is it possible that he was taking the box that
he made for Valerie Tendall and moving her body around
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on the property?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I haven't again, you hit me with that one. I
haven't considered that. But that's that's a heck of a
risk because you know, every t you remove this structure
that contains valories remains. First off, you're drawing attention to
yourself not only in the removal but also the digging
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of another hole that is sufficient to the size of
this thing to contain it. And if they've got multiple
disturbed areas, is that what was going on was this?
Was he bright enough to go out and just randomly
dig holes and then cover them back up to throw
people off the scent. No pun its.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Sense, though, wouldn't it, because they found all these disturbed areas.
And if they're out there looking at disturbed areas and
the police get all excited about it, we think we
found something to get out there and it's nothing after
a while, you know, you, I don't know. All I
know is what he's telling us. And his story makes
no sense. That seventeen year old girl was not hitting
on him. That seventeen year old girl might have been
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talking to him in a nice way. Maybe they did
bond according to her mother, that they had a relationship.
But if this seventeen year old girl, his story makes
no sense to me at all, the alleged killer story,
it just doesn't fly. No.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I mean, sim he's defending himself, Joe.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
He is preventing this seventeen year old woman from overpowering
him to have sex with him so that she can
then blackmail him into buying her a new guard.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, and even per his statement Dave that he has made,
he states that Valerie began to take her disrobe to
take her clothes off. Again, that doesn't marry up with
someone that is attempting to blackmail. We all know nowadays
there's people that are falsely accused all the time, and
that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone disrobed at any point
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in time. All you merely have to do is make
a statement, Okay, this individual did this to me at
this particular time. But at the time of our recording
right now, I can tell you this values remains are
apparently so decomposed or at that point where they are
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still trying to validate perhaps what Scott has stated. As
far as the cause of death, they have not come
out as of the date of this recording with a
definitive cause of death for her. We're going to keep
our eye on this case and just kind of see
how this developed. See if the state police or the
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local corner comes out with a statement that says definitively
that they can confirm what he has stated. Because they're
going to be looking for specific things, I'm thinking that
it is going to take much more time than perhaps
some of the authorities thought that it might, because if
you have a body that's been down this long, sometimes
you lose that. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is bodybacks
Body backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. I don't care how
old I get or how old my youngins get. I
can't escape being a father, and trust me, I don't
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want to. There are just certain moments in time where
I need to have a dose of connectivity with my kids,
where you know, I can talk to them, laugh with them,
(00:49):
maybe advise them. Heck, even they advise me sometimes. Remember
I'm a college professor. I don't understand the generation I'm
working with right now. I've got a college student that
is my son. He helps me, but you know, I
wait for those calls. He calls me several times a day.
My daughter calls me, and I talk to my grands.
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I cannot imagine going one hundred and seventy three days
not knowing, not knowing where my seventeen year old angel is.
There's no way I can really fathom that. But Valerie
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Tendalls parents had to endure that. And the really chilling
part of it is that for those one hundred and
seventy three days, her body was buried beneath the ground
less than one hundred yards away from their front steps.
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I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body backs, Dave,
we love those babies. Hard to get past that, don't
want to get past it. It's hard to take the
measure of the grief of a parent. You know, when
you're out of touch with your kids. It's a handwringing
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moment in time. I guess some people are you know,
will say, well, they're on their own, they're out of
the house. We're talking about seventeen year old here. They're
not out on their own. We're talking about a seventeen
year old high school student who, by the way, I
have to state this, values parents had moved to the
town of Arlington, Indiana, in order, in their words, to
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get away from the crime that apparently, according to them,
infested Indianapolis. They wanted to move to this safe, rural
location and they got away from Indianapolis. But once they
lighted in Arlington, you know, all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
They can't find their interlting that so many of the
stories that we do, Joe, are out in the country
where you think everything's safe, never expected anything like this.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
We hear that a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, a different level of horror, isn't it. It almost
makes it more horrific. I think it's an introduction of chaos.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Chaos is exactly what Patrick Scott brings to Valerie Tyndall's family.
You know, Valerie Tyndall worked for Patrick Scott for about
two years. She's seventeen years old, he's fifty nine. And
Valerie's mom said that Valerie Tyndall and Patrick Scott had
a very close bond. They just clicked. And mom says
she wasn't really worried about the fifty nine year old
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Scott and her seventeen year old daughter until she noticed
that Patrick Scott started acting like a jealous boyfriend with
regard to Valerie Tyndall. Bothered mom a little bit. Wednesday,
Gen seventh, Valerie says she's had to work. Mom says, really,
because Valerie doesn't usually work Wednesdays, so mom was worried
that afternoon when Valerie Tendall doesn't come home from work,
her mom reaches out by self, tries calling and goes
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right to voicemail, tries texting, there's no reply. She calls
Patrick Scott and he says she wasn't working with me today.
Immediately on the phone with cops. We've got to file
a missing person's report and they begin the search. It's
five months later, five months and Patrick Scott has been
caught lying to believe several times. Five months of searching,
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and Valerie Tendall's body is found inside a homemade box
a coffin and buried less than one hundred yards from
her family's back door. Hang on, let me do the
math real quick. Forty two years, Yeah, forty two. He's
fifty nine, she's seventeen.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Forty two years. You think about that, Why would you
other than wanting to maybe help a kid that you
see maybe has some potential, maybe you see something in
them where they might be a hard worker. But beyond that, Wow,
why in the world would you have any interest in
a seventeen year old child because she's a child?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
She's child?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Dare I don't understand it. And let me say one
more thing. I was talking about the beauty of being,
you know, in kind of a more isolated area, you
feel safe. My contention always has been I don't believe
in the image of the devil that we have in
our brain, where he's cloven hoofs and a long red
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tail and horns and all that. I think the devil
shows up most of the time and it is something
that might be attractive. I think that that's what again.
And attraction can come in any number. It can come
with the comforting of parents, you know, to let them know, hey,
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you've landed it a good place. We're right here. I've
got my granddaughter here. She's your daughter's age. You know,
everything's cool. Hey, you want a job, I got a job.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I got a job.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh yeah, Now I'll take her out to dinner every
now and then. Whatn't the hell is a fifty nine
year old man doing taking a seventeen year old out
for dinner?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And they did go to dinner now, yeah. Patrick Scott
claimed it was just a thank you dinner, that's all.
It was just a thank you dinner, just saying thanks.
But when you start adding these up, Valerie Tyndall's mother,
Sherry Sanderfer, said that Patrick Scott started acting like a
jealous boyfriend when it came to Valerie Tendall add that
with Scherry Sanderfer told WRTV that someone else overheard Patrick
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Scott telling Valerie Tindall that he was planning on taking
her out to lunch some place special in Indianapolis, and
he did this just hours before she vanished. If you're
gonna do a big thank you dinner or lunch. Then
you're gonna invite her mom and dad her, You're gonna
invite your granddaughter. If it's just to say thank you,
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somebody else is coming. It's not gonna just be the
two of you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Absolutely, absolutely, and I think that's that's the here. But
interestingly enough, this fellaw. He flips this script around and
he's saying, essentially, according to the police, he confessed, and
he confessed to this, and in his confession he's making
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the statement where this is the ultimate in victim blaming
to me, that you're going to put this on the
shoulders of a seventeen year old child. And we know this, Dave,
You and I have covered a lot of territory with
one another. We know this that dead can never ever
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defend themselves. I'd thrown up number when we first started off,
(08:07):
days upon days upon weeks upon weeks that Valerie, seventeen
year old Valerie Tendall was missing. The way the circumstances
are kind of playing out in this case, and again
I want to tell everybody this is ongoing investigation at
this point in time, but what has alleged to have
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happened was that she vanished. She vanished. Valerie just vanished
into thin air after having last been seen in his
company or approximating his company. And remember their homes. Their
homes are, like I said, about one hundred yards apart.
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That's a football field, Dave, that's a football field.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
The Scott home is about is behind technically speaking from
where the road is, it's behind the Tendall home. Now
to get to the time line. Valerie Tindall last scene
June seventh. She tells her parents that she's going to
work for Patrick Scott, going to work just like normal.
She vanishes and within a matter of days, you know,
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Patrick Scott is going to be somebody they're going to
look at. You're always going to look at the last
person with the person who's missing. On June tenth, Indiana
State Police issued a silver alert for Valerie Tindall. October eleventh,
cadaver dogs search Scott's home and indicate a body somewhere.
That's October eleventh. The police keep coming. They search his property,
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they are looking everywhere. They're not really showing their cards,
but it's enough for him to know he's not just
a suspect. He is their main suspect. The last person
with her October twelfth police spot disturbed earth on Scott's property.
Now you've been down this road many times before with investigations.
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How do you tell when dirt has been if you've
got a lot of property, how do you tell.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Oldzheimer's use to refer to it is turned to earth,
And yeah, yeah, it's It's definitely different when you think
about the what we refer to in death investigation and
specifically forensic anthropology, when you're looking at the teponomy of soil,
and that's all the composition of the soil, the surrounding area,
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if there is activity that's going in or going on
around there. It's very simple too. This is again we're
not going to the moon. You've got an area of
turned or disturbed earth where there is little or no
packing to the soil, and you can look at it
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and contrast it very quickly with the other surrounding area,
which is most of the time very tightly packed. I
hope that everyone if you live in a standalone residence
or you know, or maybe in your backyard you've got
a flower bed, okay, and then you look at the
rest of your yard where it's distinctly packed down where
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you're you know, you've got grass growing, you got a lawn,
more going over the area with turned earth, if you've
got a flower bed, for instance, you'll see clots of earth,
clots of dirt, and also one of the biggest telltale signs.
And this is what they saw they did. They actually
did a drone fly over day and one of the
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things that you see are not necessarily what you would
think with earth being mounded up. It's actually these small
little depressions that are in the soil. And these can
be spotted pretty quickly even from the air. You'll see
that little bits of earth in very specific spaces where
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the soil appears to have a sunken appearance to it.
And I don't know if this is in great surprise
to you, Dave, but I got to I'm going to
say something here that sent a chill up my spine.
That is that they did see evidence of an area
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in his backyard of disturbed earth. But Dave, they also
said that they saw multiple areas of disturbed earth on
his property. Now, when I begin to hear that, for
me and I think about an older fellaw who has
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taken the life of by his own admission, according to
the police, of a seventeen year old, and you've got
a relationship that is, let's face it, it's abnormal. And yes,
just so we understand, there are certain things in life
that are abnormal. Okay, this is not a normal set
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of circumstances. You begin to think, if you've got multiple
sites of disturbed earth, my gosh, man, what else could to.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
This point that one?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'll give you one more. Locals were involved in this
investigation as are I say are currently locals are involved
in it. State police are involved in it. They've had
are you ready for this? Forty four zero FBI agents
involved in this case. You do not get forty FBI
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agents involved in anything unless they're highly motivated where they're
thinking there's more to this, and it just I was
gobsmacked when I heard the number of recent because you know,
you have to look at that. Let's look at it
in dollar signs, and we all know if you look
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at it from dollar signs, you know the government, you know,
this seems like they spend money on anything. But when
you think about the manpower that's assigned to this, I
don't even know where would you go to get forty
FBI agents in state of Indiana. Well, that tells me that, yeah,
they probably have field offices that are involved in this.
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But when you start to get up into those numbers
like that, you're talking about potentially bringing in specialists from
other locations. Certainly their evidence response team is probably out there.
That's the famous EERT teams that come out and do this.
And I don't know if they've got other assets that
may have descended in this location from Langley. Perhaps we
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don't know because nothing has really come out relative to that,
and in the FEDS are notorious for keeping their mouth shut.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Mister Scott was charged in June with providing false information
to police after lying about the last time he saw
about Tendall. He allegedly told police that he had dropped
her off in town Homer, which is located about five
miles south of Arlington, and that he got she had
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gotten into a car with an unknown person. That was
his first story to police. You know you're the last
person with her, What did you, guys do? They knew
that was a lie. So if you've got the next
door neighbor, a fifty nine year old man who this
young woman mom says the relationship seemed odd. He seemed
to look at her like he's a jealous boyfriend. Police
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are coming down on him, but that's it. He lies
to him, and that's they don't do anything well. Two
months after that, in August of twenty twenty three, the
Rush County Sheriff's Department said investigators quote believe it is
possible that Valerie has been receiving aid from an individual
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or individuals whose goal is to keep her hidden. I
remember covering this and thinking, somebody, did she run away
on her own? First things first, did she run away
and now somebody is helping her stay gone? Or did
somebody kidnap her and they are hiding her away because
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somehow these the police believe she is still alive. At
that point, I'm just curious. You've got a fifty nine
year old next door neighbor that she works for, who
the mom says that he's too close to her. He
kind of acts like a jelo's boyfriend. Then you got
the police saying we think somebody's helping her stay hidden.
I have to wonder what the police were actually, you know,
were they being truthful when they said that, or were
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they lay in breadcrumbs? Were they trying to bring this
guy out.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, And I don't know. My gut reaction is to
say that that is probably the case. There's a sad
side to that because if that's what they're putting out
in public, I wonder if that's what they're telling the family,
because in making that statement, you're providing the family with
something you can't back up, which is hope, hope, and
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and that's a sad, sad set of circumstances to even consider.
I think it's the worst.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Of the instigation, Joe.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Would they sit the family off of the side and say, hey,
we're going to put something out in the public. Would
they do that with the family? I don't know, as
I think that it could happen. I'll put it to
you that way, all right, it could very well happen.
How in the world, you know, if you're a parent,
you can maintain restraint during that period of time, because
I got to tell you, I'm going to the closest
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microphone I can find. I want my baby back home.
I want to be able to wrap my arms around her.
And in this case, I think that they were attempting
to exhaust every resource.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
That they had. But it seems to me that they
knew something early on and they had peg Scot back
when this thing initially kicked off, because you know, you
you I don't know, and we don't know a lot
about the family dynamic. Yet we do know there's one
assertion by her mother that she had had trouble when
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she was younger. So what was that trouble was in
nature of the trouble. I think that a lot of
this will eventually be revealed and we'll know more, But
to this point, we don't know if that had had
she ever run away before? And I think that that's
something to consider because look, I mean, face it, kids
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run away every day. So if you've got that kind
of background, they're gonna look at that. They're gonna say, Okay,
is this is this evidence that she has perhaps if
she's previously run away, perhaps she's done this again, and
they're going to exhaust that. But you know, as Tom
moves on with this case and over these loathies many
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many weeks that she's been missing. We're talking about from
June of twenty twenty three up until they have recovered
valorious remains in November of twenty twenty three. Uh, they've
had to exhaust everything till and it's it's kind of
a narrow wing from the perspective of an investigation. You're
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trying to uh, you're trying to get rid of any
kind of outliers that might not that are going to
take you down a dead end path. And I think
all paths at this point at least lead discuss I've
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had so many families over the course of my career
say to me, I want to see the body. I
want to see the body, mister Morgan, and I'll try
to tell them, no, no, you can't do that. There's
too much trauma, or your loved one's remains are so decomposed.
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And you know what mothers always say to me, Dave,
in those circumstances, they always say, I want to see
my baby's body because I know that I will recognize
my baby. I would recognize my baby under any circumstances.
And as it turns out with Valerie, they did find
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her body, but there was no need. There was no
need for the mother to see her in the condition
in which I believe that they probably found her because
they were able to identify her in a very unique way. Actually,
the first point of identification along this horrible story was
a color fingernails.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Working to the documents and observe an officer actually observed
the human remains located within a box and he described
instantly spotting orange fingernails on the deceased body. And that
was it for all the police there. The search was over.
They knew right then that that was Valerie. Granted, you know,
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you're going to have to go through all of the
other you have to identify this positively, and they have
done that now. But it was the fingernail color or
bright orange that matched a photograph they found on social
media that Valerie Tenttle posted on June seventh. So now
we're looking at this day and time where the body
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found on Patrick Scott's property inside a homemade box constructed
of two by fours and strand boards. A second box
was located that contained papers and old VHS tapes. Within
(22:04):
a matter of days of Valerie Tendall going missing, patrick
Scott's barn garage burned down. That seems awfully suspicious to me, Joe,
that all of a sudden you have a major fire
where we know a missing seventeen year old spent a
lot of time.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I didn't. You know, remember he had a lawn service,
and so you would think that he'd probably keep his
equipment probably approximating that area or within that structure. But
he was actually seen Dave taking a part or disassembling
the barn, which I don't know if you've ever done this,
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but I've disassembled buildings out buildings before. It's no, you know,
it's no. It's not for the faint of heart. It
takes work to do this, but to go to the
trouble to dismantle the structure that's been on the property
and then to set fire to it, you know, I
think any reasonable investigator would ask the question, what's going
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on here? What was the purpose of this? Were you
planning to erect another structure? Did you have a burn permit?
You know, all these sorts of things that they can
look at and try to understand. And then how does
this area approximate the area where she was buried? Was
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the debris then placed over the top of her remains
or where her remains were found? And I had a
thought about this, you know, when you're talking about cadaver dogs,
I'm really wondering. And we all know what burn debris smells.
Like and structure materials. They have a unique smell when
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you burn them. It's not like going out in the
woods and just collecting firewood, because they're treated. You know,
you've got other debris that are in there, and it's
got this unique smell. I wonder if somebody would utilize
this in an attempt to mask the smell of decomposing remains.
I wonder if that might be the case for something
like this.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I didn't think about that until right this minute, as
you were saying that. Joe didn't occur to me, But
we all know that human remains the decomposition it has
an odor that is very unique once you smell. I
hate to say this, but when you smell the dead body,
you know immediately what it is and you'll never forget it.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You know. I thought about this, and I'm thinking, you know,
if you were to be the type of person that
would go out and actually kill a seventeen year old
and you're wanting to mask it, you know how better
to do that, because maybe you're wise enough to the
point where you know that just burying them well, containing
building a container and wrapping them in plastic, by the way,
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is going to be insufficient to the task, even if
you put them beneath the earth. You know, you've watched
enough TV to know that dogs are smart and they're
wise to this sort of thing based upon their spectrum
which they smell. So you're thinking, you know, is that
a possibility? Is that something that happened? But Dave, I
got to back up for a second, because I'm really
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intrigued by this idea that they've found this other and
it is a separate adjacent box, which Scott allegedly claimed
that he had been putting stuff in since July. I think,
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and what they found in there you stated were miscellaneous
papers in VHS tapes. Now, I gotta tell you, my
kids came up in the nineties. I had more VHS
tapes than I can shake a stick at. I mean
tons of them, and because they watched them constantly. VHS
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tapes are fragile. And if you're going to burn something,
if you're gonna have a fire anyway and you don't
want it around, why aren't you going to burn VHS tapes?
Why not? I mean, they are easily enough destroyed. Why
would you create a separate vessel if you will, in
order to contain them? Why would you value VHS tapes
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so much? And these miscellaneous papers whatever those are. But
why would you value those tapes so much that you
would put them into this separate vessel and bury them
and hold on to them.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We have a story from Patrick Scott. That's the only
story that we do not know cause of death.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
No yet we don't.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
All right, what am I going to find? He says.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Valerie Tendall, the seventeen year old came to his house
and came on to him sexually, made a pass at
him because she wanted to blackmail him over buying here
a new car. Yeah, she wanted him to buy her
a car. And I'm trying to figure out exactly you
know what, because if she was going to blackmail him
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as easily just there would be no need for any
kind of sexual activity between the two. She would merely
just claim it and that would be the end of it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yes, So this is your default position. If you have
a seventeen year old that approaches you with this proposal.
I'm going to say that you try to rape me
or have a sexual relationship with me in order to
get you to purchase. So your default position is and
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this is by his own admission, Dave. He takes his
belt off, which was I guess holding up his trousers,
wraps it around her neck allegedly according to him, and
begins to apply pressure, which said belt to her neck until,
according to him, this is his words, quote, she quit.
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What does that mean? She quit? She quit advancing, she
quit threatening, or she quit breathing. So that's your living
that that's yeah, quit living that. That's your response. You're
you're not running out of the room and screaming from
the housetops. You know that this this young girl is
trying to blackmail me or do whatever. No, your response
(28:27):
is to take a belt off and wrap around her neck. Here.
Here's here's the really bizarre thing. According to the police,
he's still wearing that belt.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Oh yeah, put it right back on, put it right back.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And continued to wear the belt. And for me, you couple,
let me just go on a limb here, and let's
just say a hypothetical, okay, hypothetical circumstance. You've got an
individual that is interested in taking the life of someone,
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let's say a teenager, and you want to memorialize them
in some way because it's what you do. And so
you want to hold on to the instrument of death,
and not just hold on to it, but wear it
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to hold up your trousers. And you're going to retain
VHS tapes as well and bury them not some distance, Dave,
but immediately adjacent to the remains of the seventeen year
old that he has alleged, by his own words, he
is alleged to have killed whit said belt. Something's not
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adding up here for me.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Here's the problem with this story. The alleged killer says
that she was coming on to him sexually and that
she was trying to blackmail him into by buying a car,
so he was so put off by it. He was
so disgusted by her play for him sexually that he
wrapped his belt around her neck and strangled her. If
(30:13):
her play is to blackmail him into buying a car,
she wouldn't have had to make a play for him
sexually if that was the end game. The end game
isn't that she has sex with you and you you know,
then she blackmails you into buying a car. That doesn't
play right because he's claiming that they didn't do anything.
I'm saying, is there going to be proof now? Joe
(30:34):
this five months later, her body is wrapped in a box.
I'm assuming that her because they could tell the fingernails
were bright orange. That this young woman was not burned
in the gar in the fire. No, that her body
is it's going to be decomposed somewhat.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But could they determine that not somewhat significantly A lot? Yeah,
for folks that have I've spent time in Indiana in
the summertime, it's hot, it's humid. She went missing back
in June. And here's the other thing about the degree
to which she was probably decomposed. She's wrapped in plastic.
(31:14):
And so what does plastic do. Well, we know that
if we wrap anything in plastic, the item that is wrapped, well,
the plastic sweats, so that creates humidity, it retains heat too.
It's going to promote ongoing decompositional process. I would probably
state that at least some of her body contained. Even
(31:34):
though it was contained, some of her body was probably
skeletonized to a certain degree. Now that doesn't mean that
her body was disarticulated or anything like that. It just
simply means that over a period of time under this
intense heat, because there would have been heat even though
she's buried in the earth. Because of the containment of
(31:57):
the body, the body is breaking down and in this environment,
with the kind of this wet, humid environment contained within
the structure that he, by the way, has created with screws,
he's actually screwed this thing together. According to him, did
he make.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It just to the purposes of putting her body in it?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yes? Yes, yeah, that he did. He structured this thing
and it's like a homemade coffin.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Let me ask you this, Joe. Because there were disturbed
areas all over his property. Police served fifty search warrants
related to this case. Fifty search warrants over five months.
We know they found areas, several areas disturbed on the property.
Is it possible that he was taking the box that
he made for Valerie Tendall and moving her body around
(32:48):
on the property?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I haven't again, you hit me with that one. I
haven't considered that. But that's that's a heck of a
risk because you know, every t you remove this structure
that contains valories remains. First off, you're drawing attention to
yourself not only in the removal but also the digging
(33:13):
of another hole that is sufficient to the size of
this thing to contain it. And if they've got multiple
disturbed areas, is that what was going on was this?
Was he bright enough to go out and just randomly
dig holes and then cover them back up to throw
people off the scent. No pun its.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Sense, though, wouldn't it, because they found all these disturbed areas.
And if they're out there looking at disturbed areas and
the police get all excited about it, we think we
found something to get out there and it's nothing after
a while, you know, you, I don't know. All I
know is what he's telling us. And his story makes
no sense. That seventeen year old girl was not hitting
on him. That seventeen year old girl might have been
(33:55):
talking to him in a nice way. Maybe they did
bond according to her mother, that they had a relationship.
But if this seventeen year old girl, his story makes
no sense to me at all, the alleged killer story,
it just doesn't fly. No.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I mean, sim he's defending himself, Joe.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
He is preventing this seventeen year old woman from overpowering
him to have sex with him so that she can
then blackmail him into buying her a new guard.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, and even per his statement Dave that he has made,
he states that Valerie began to take her disrobe to
take her clothes off. Again, that doesn't marry up with
someone that is attempting to blackmail. We all know nowadays
there's people that are falsely accused all the time, and
that doesn't necessarily mean that anyone disrobed at any point
(34:40):
in time. All you merely have to do is make
a statement, Okay, this individual did this to me at
this particular time. But at the time of our recording
right now, I can tell you this values remains are
apparently so decomposed or at that point where they are
(35:01):
still trying to validate perhaps what Scott has stated. As
far as the cause of death, they have not come
out as of the date of this recording with a
definitive cause of death for her. We're going to keep
our eye on this case and just kind of see
how this developed. See if the state police or the
(35:24):
local corner comes out with a statement that says definitively
that they can confirm what he has stated. Because they're
going to be looking for specific things, I'm thinking that
it is going to take much more time than perhaps
some of the authorities thought that it might, because if
you have a body that's been down this long, sometimes
you lose that. I'm Josephcott Morgan and this is bodybacks
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