August 23, 2022 • 36 mins
Video surveillance captures the final images of 80-year-old Edna Suttles alive in a hotel parking lot in one of the most beautiful places in the United States, a tiny South Carolina town called Travelers Rest. Nearly a month after her disappearance, Edna's body is found buried across state lines in a wooded area of North Carolina. Investigators work tirelessly to piece together the events that lead to her death, and in the process, realize they’re dealing with a serial killer.
In this episode of Body Bags, forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan and Jackie Howard discuss the details of Edna Suttles’ death and the unexpected discovery during the investigation. They talk about the similarities between the four confirmed victims, the behavior of serial killers, and the methods Daniel Printz used to murder his victims.
Show Notes:
0:00 - Intro
3:16 - Joseph Scott and Jackie discuss the details of Edna Suttles’ disappearance
4:20 - Discussion about Edna Suttles as South Carolina’s first female bail bondsman, and the heightened awareness that someone develops while working in that career
5:55 - Who reported Edna as a missing person?
7:12 - The discovery of Edna’s body and why the FBI was involved in this case
9:23 - The ominous findings by the medical examiner
11:52 - Surveillance video confirms Edna Suttles and Daniel Printz were in the same place and had some type of relationship
14:01 - The lethal cocktail that was given to Edna and how a body reacts when administered in those doses
15:22 - The unusual location on Daniel Printz’s property where he stored Edna’s belongings
18:34 - Using cadaver dogs to facilitate the discovery and recovery of remains
22:40 - The massive discovery by police at Daniel Printz’s home while investigating Edna’s death
25:56 - Connecting Daniel Printz to multiple murders through evidence found and commentary he made
28:42 - Analysis of serial killers’ behaviors and the unusual deviation Daniel Printz took in the murder of Nancy Rego
34:55 - Investigators learn of a fourth murder victim, Leigh Goodman
36:17 - Joe talks about Daniel Printz as a predator and the relationship between him and Leigh Goodman
39:04 - What sets these murders apart?
40:46 - Daniel Printz’s case is tried in the federal district court
42:27 - Where else has Daniel Printz been and who else has he impacted?
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. When I hear the
term up country, I think of arguably one of the
most beautiful places in the United States. That's the most
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northerly portion of the state of South Carolina. It's that
it's that welcome matt that brings you into Appalachia. And
there's a little tiny town there called Travelers Rest. It's
a beautiful place. I've been there many times throughout my
life and it's it's kind of like entering into this
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beautiful forested area prime Evil where you begin to see
the land rise before you. It's beautiful streams, mountains. But
for Edna Subtles, it turned out to be one of
the most horrible locations that she could have ever been. Today,
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we're gonna talk about the homicide, the murder of Edna Suttles.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags. Jackie Howard,
the executive producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, is
joining me again today. Jackie. I know that you're from
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that area of the country up in Tennessee, and it
is certainly beautiful, and I have to think that Edna
I probably thought it was rather gorgeous too, what do
you think. I do agree, Joe, and in fact, most
of us who live in the mountains and are from
that part of the area do consider it to be
God's country. But unfortunately for Edna subts someone else decided
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to make it no man's land. Edna Subtles and her jeep,
Grand Cherokee, disappeared from her home in Traveler's Rest, as
you said, around August. Her car was found oh about
a week later September three, also parked in a Best
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Western parking lot, and as investigators started looking and investigating
this case, they found surveillance camera footage from the hotel
parking lot that helped them start a timeline of what
happened to Edna Subtles. This may have been the last
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footage of her. Let me tell you a little something
about Edna that's absolutely fascinating. I found out about her
life that I don't know if too many people know this.
Edna is actually the first in the history of the
state of South Carolina that was a bail bondsman. And
she's eighty years old, so she's she's been around people
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you can't imagine in the bail bonds world that are dangerous,
perhaps very scary, and so you would think that her
census would be up and aware that maybe there was
trouble at hand. But in Edna's case, apparently, whoever it
was that approached her, it didn't send off any alarms
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for her. She was essentially taken unawares, and when that happens,
there's not necessarily an evidence of struggle. As investigators, you
begin to think about, well, who in her immediate circle
would have been there that would have put her at
that level of comfort. You know, where she's not gonna flee,
she's not gonna scream, she's not gonna run away. You know,
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you don't have reports from a parking lot somewhere that's
saying that she's been snatched. We saw someone put her
in to a car and drive off with her. There's
nothing to indicate that in Edna's disappearance, And so for me,
you begin to look as an investigator, You begin to
look at the individuals that kind of inhabit her life
and that are around her, maybe not on a daily basis,
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but at least those she's familiar with. Edna was seen
with her car, but then Edna disappeared and she was
reported missing. How was she reported missing? Was did her
family miss her? Or was it her business that missed her.
You know another thing about Edna that I find quite fascinating.
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She was well known and travelers rest as an individual.
Now she's eighty, okay, but she had kind of found
a calling in life to serve the elderly community, those
that are, you know, kind of shut in, that don't
have folks necessarily in their life that can combine and
check on them and that sort of thing. And in
Edna's case, there was an elderly person that she would
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look in on and come and sit with them and
tend to them and take care of some of their
basic needs. And when she didn't show up, when she
didn't show up to that appointment, remember that's that might
be the only outside contact that that individual has. Lauren
Bells went off for that individual. So the initial tip
actually came from a person that hadn't cared about, that
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was checking in on her on a regular basis, and
when she didn't show up, that person alerted the police
to say, listen, my friend didn't come by here. I
haven't seen her and haven't heard from her, and I'm
worried Edna's body was discovered in a wooded area. Tell
me a little bit about what happened to her, and
then we could talk about what investigators are going to
need to recover from that scene to pinpoint who murdered
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Edna Suttles. You know, one of the fascinating things about
this case that that our listeners need to understand is
that at any point in time, at any point in time,
when a criminal begins to engage in any kind of
criminal enterprise and they cross over state lines, that almost
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automatically in many cases makes a case a federal case
at that point. I think a lot of people get
confused over this. But when you have a person that
is missing and you might have an indication that they
are somewhere out of state, one of the default positions
is the idea of kidnapping. Now, you can have kidnapping
that occurs within state boundaries, but when you cross over
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a state line of a perpetrator crosses over state line
with an individual that has in fact been kidnapped, that's
one of the primary duties of the FBI. And so
the FBI got involved in this case. And you know,
when Edna's body was finally located. It wasn't in South
Carolina or anywhere near Traveler's rest. It was out in
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a wooded area up in North Carolina. So when she
was found eventually up there, she had in fact been buried,
and her her death just absolutely since shockwaves through that community,
through through the lives of everybody that she touched. You know,
you can imagine if she's a a bondsman where you know,
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people have to go and see her at the worst
times of their life. She's made connections in that community,
not to mention the age agent that she had been
touching their lives or sometimes as well. It creates something
where people become scared really really quickly. And that's when
the police began to dig into this case and they
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found something that was just absolutely ominous. I bet I
can tell you what that was, Joe. When the m
E started the autopsy on ed this remains, they found
something a drug in her system. Am I right? Well
to say that they found a drug in her system
is is an interesting way to put it there. There
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were actually three drugs involved in in Edna's death, and
I don't know that I recall handling a case that's
quite this sophisticated, if you will. There were actually several drugs,
and this is something that we would refer to as
a deadly cocktail. One drug was essentially a muscle relaxer,
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another one was a narcotic pain reliever. And then I
think probably the most significant thing here is a drug
that's referred to as ad event. It goes by a
variety of different names, but at events specifically is used
for anti anxiety. And these had been crushed and mingled
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together and then placed into a cup of yogurt. Now
is that something that she would have ingested of her
own volition, And as it turned out, it wasn't. It
was actually a grouping of medication that was placed into
a yogurt cup by a man named Daniel Prince, who
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actually administered that to her while she was restrained, restrained
in his vehicle. So, when investigators were looking at the
video that is going to tie us back to the
man you just mentioned, Daniel Prince, he was seen that
the man you just mentioned was seen in that surveillance
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video with Edna Suttles. Yeah, he was, And actually this
is quite fascinating. Edna had arrived at a local foodline
grocery store, and there's actually videography from a surveillance camera
that puts them in the same place at the same time.
He's driving his vehicle and she, of course is driving
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this two thousand fourteen Jeep vehicle that she had. And
you remember what I said in the beginning, where we
begin to look at individuals that you feel comfortable with
their in your immediate circle. In that video, there was
actually interaction between the two. Daniel Prince can be seen
waving at her on the video camera. Now just think
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about that just for a second. It's not like some
stranger you know, comes at you out of the dark
alley somewhere. This is an individual that she knew. That
it has been at least intimated over the course of
this case and some associated cases that they did in
fact have a relationship with one another and had known
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one another for a few years. Now. No one is
really quite sure about the nature of that relationship, but
it was such a relationship that it's just like if
you come across your neighbor in a parking lot and
they motioned to you, and you come on over and
you begin to engage in conversation with them. She actually
gets into the vehicle with Daniel Prince and leaves from
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that location, and she's essentially at that point in time,
she's in his control. Now, no one really knows what
happened to her, but somehow, some way, she actually wound
up in the trunk of his vehicle, restrained, and he,
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at that point in time, had it ministered this toxic
cocktail to her, which consisted of these three very very
powerful drugs that would have brought about her death. The
horror of this, you know, I think that you know
probably on one level, if you're restrained and you're being
forced to eat something, the most glaring thing is, well,
what are what are you giving me? First off, why
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I am I restrained? You're my friend? And then you
begin to think about, well why are you feeding me?
All of a sudden, and I can only imagine the
horror that began to rise up in her because as
these drugs would begin to kick in in her system.
Every single one of these just taken a loan, has
a level of lethality to it, but when they are combined,
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it begins to suppress the respiratory system. Breathing becomes labored,
you become disoriented, essentially, and eventually you'll go into a
comato state and it's certainly enough to kill you. As
investigators moved in on Prince and executed warrants, they found
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Subtle's belongings on prince property. They found her purse, They
found her jeep keys hidden in a bee box on
Prince's property, and in that bee box they also found rope,
zip ties and rubber gloves. It was almost like they
found the smoker's board of evidence. Yeah. You know, when
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you you begin to think about seeing something like this
as an investigator, automatically, you know, if you've got a
missing person and you believe that they are connected to
the individual that you're looking at, and you go out
and you begin to put a profile essentially together of
the individual that you're you're assessing at that point in time,
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and this automatically, uh, you begin to think, you know,
why in the world would you retain these items? You know,
there are certain items that are contained in there that
have no purpose. They serve no purpose whatsoever other than
to perhaps reminisce to think back upon. And you know,
with serial killers in particular, one of the things that
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they will do is they will go back and they
look at items and they can be any number of items,
and depended upon the particular serial killer that you're talking about,
over the years, they will focus in on specific items
and it's everything from clothing to toys sometimes to anything
that reminds you of those events. And what I find
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fatascinating about this is that he had hidden this inside
of a bee box. Now, I gotta tell you, I
have a terrible fear of being stung. So if if
I'm searching out there on a on a piece of
property and I'm executing a search warrant, you might have
to call on another investigator to go look in the
bee box, because I don't know if I'm going to
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be the person that you would want to task with
that because I'm terrified of being stung. But isn't that
interesting that you could use a box like this is
associated with, you know, growing bees and harvesting honey, is
what it comes down to, and you use that that
space in order to keep people away, and it's actually
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a place that you're storing things literally in plain sight.
Now isn't that fascinating. I don't know that I've ever
come across the case where you have an individual that
is taking these items and placing them in plain view
like this for everybody in the world to see if
they have the intestinal fortitude to go open that box up.
And when the police did, they found all of these
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items that were associated with Edna, and automatically, I can
imagine fireworks are going off in their mind. They're thinking,
you know, what in the world is he doing retaining
all of these items now that we know that he
is a serial killer. As you've intimated, you would have
to imagine he's trying to save himself either a momento
or wanting to use it again. But as the investigators
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dotted their eyes and crossed their tees in this investigation,
what I find absolutely fascinating is that this circle was
drawn closed by the fact that investigators took a cadaver
dog to Prince's property and the cadaver dog alerted to
human decomposition on Subtle's car and in Prince's wife's car,
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which is what they said he used to kidnap Subtles. Yeah,
isn't that's something that after all of that time, the
dogs can begin to pick up on sense like this.
You know, we we think back to cases where cadaver
dogs have been used in order to facilitate recovery of remains,
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and you think about, you know, I often talk about
how fascinated I am by what dogs are capable of doing.
You know, I often compare it to the visual spectrum
of light, you know, and our ability to see as
human beings. And of course dogs are renowned for eyesight too,
but they're also they also have kind of an olfactory
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spectrum where they can smell things that that we as humans,
mere mortals, we we we don't have that ability. And
when these dogs are trained specifically to do this, they
can pick up on the slightest hint of any kind
of decomposing material. Now, you have canines that are out
there to actually track living human beings, but there are
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a group of dogs, Caldaver dogs are utilized in order
to look for decomposing remains. And because the body as
it begins to break down, gives off a specific scent.
So does that necessarily mean that that you have found
the body at that point in time, No, it doesn't,
but at least from a circumstantial standpoint, the investigators can say,
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and I would assume that the prosecutors, you know, are
chirping in on this as well, is that we begin
to formulate something here. We know that this is not
something that would be commonly accepted, that it's not a
common occurrence to have the smell of human decomposition in
a particular vehicle. That gives us an idea that at
some point in time, a decomposing human remain had passed
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through this space. And what do you use a car for, Well,
you use a car in order to get from point
A to point B, and in this case, that's where occurred.
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I've had people ask me over the course of my career,
why do you want to be an investigator? And sometimes
one of the answers that I will give folks is
that I'm nosy. I like to, you know, go digging
about and trying to find information out about these cases
and these people's lives that that I'm trying to determine
what brought that life to a particular end. And in
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this case, I gotta tell you, Jackie Boy, did the
cops hit the Jackpott when they began to investigate Edna's death.
It's amazing what else they found at Daniel princess house.
And what the things that they found revealed is that
Prince was indeed a serial killer, and Edna Subtles was
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not his first victim, just the first. Found At Prince's home,
invest to Getters found pill bottles for cyclod benzapine, tramadol,
and LaRaza PAM that were prescribed to Nancy Rago and
Nancy had been missing out of Charlotte. So here we
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find more victims. Yeah, and you know, with the increased
interests that we have in our country right now of
people that are missing an unknown I mean, it's it's
amazing to me how focus has shifted now to people
that you know. In my field in medical legal death investigation,
we came across a lot of unknowns. We had unknown skeletons,
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you know, people that were never identified. We had unknown
intact bodies. But now you begin to see the breadth
and depth. I think of how many tragedies there are
out there in this country. In this poor woman had
been missing since two thousand seventeen. And when I began
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to eat about her and read about the life that
she had led, you know, again all these memories came
flooding back to me of the pain that I've seen
in families faces over the years where they didn't know
what had happened to their loved one, and as as
tragic as it is, you know, at least the family,
her family has actually given this bit of information now
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and they can begin to move on. But what's significant now,
I think probably for the police at this at this
part of the investigation, is that they knew that they
they were dealing with something that was bigger than just
a one off event where this guy, Daniel Prince, who
by the way, is a felon, a convicted felon, had
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done time in Michigan previously for kidnapping. They knew that
they were dealing with something that was far bigger than
simply the death of Edna and her disappearance. Now they're
looking at another death. They're looking at connectivity with a
woman that has been missing since two thousand seventeen. And
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I can imagine, because you know, this is kind of
an isolated area of the country. Can you imagine you're
in this rural location, you don't come across this every day,
and all of a sudden you're faced with the prospect
that you're dealing with not just one, but two, maybe
even more than that death. The problem that investigators had
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here is that even though they found the prescription bottles
in Nancy Rego's name. They didn't know where Nancy Rego was,
so they had to depend upon information that they could
pull together and comments made by Prince himself. Yeah, that's true.
And you know, there's there's one narrative that he had,
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you know, when the police are beginning to press prints
and trying to elicit information from him, because they know
that they're onto something. You know, they know that this
guy didn't just run into Edna and he decided to
kill her and take her, you know, off into an
isolated area and bury her remains. They knew that there
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was something bigger there, and they really wanted to begin
to probe this. And it's fascinating that in a couple
of comments that he made, he deferred to this idea
of euthanasia, and just think about that just for a second.
He he had actually at least implied that there were
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other people that he had kind of assisted, if you will,
in their desks to give them, I don't know, I guess,
relief from what he perceived as pain in this world
or whatever. And at least that was the narrative that
he was trying to sell to the police. At that
point in time. And can you imagine you're sitting there
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and and you're trying to elicit information from this guy
and he's telling you that, Well, you know, I view
it that, Yeah, I've been involved in in some deaths,
but they were they were friends, they aided them in
their deaths. But suddenly, you know, with Prince, when they
began to kind of dig deeper relative to Edna's death, he,
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you know, at that moment, Tom said he wanted an
attorney and he wouldn't tell him any more information without
an attorney present. But what he did say, he says,
I can bring you within three ft of Edna's body.
The issue here, though, Joe, isn't it's not just the
death of Nancy Rego and where is her body, but
her eight year old mother was also missing. We find
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that Prince had power of attorney over Rego's property, so
Nancy Rego and her mother, it appears, died at the
same time. Nancy Rego disappeared on the day that her
mother was found in the home, and just like Edna
Subtle's Dolora Sellers was killed by a combination of medications.
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Said to her, you know, Jackie, you think about this
and one of one of my fallback positions relative to
serial killers when you begin to kind of analyze their
behavior and see what they they do, what their purposed
to do, how they go about doing it. They like
to stay. You know, we hear about geographic predispositions. You know,
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they don't you know, go outside of their area. I
hate to use the word hunt, but that's essentially the
way they kind of frame this whole thing. But another
thing that's very important when you begin to look at
the way serial killer's function is that many times they
will stick with same methodologies. And we see in Edna
where you know, she had medication that was applied to
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her and apparently it led essentially to her death. Now
we have this eighty year old woman who's found dead
at home and they were able to determine that she
was given a lethal overdose again of a prescription cocktail.
And you know, we think back to what Prince was
saying in this interview that he was given to the police,
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you know, when they were you know, trying to assess
what was going on, and he used the term euthanasia.
He talked about euthanizing a friend of his to speed
them along the way to kind of help them along
the way, you know, to I don't know what his
perception was, Lord knows. I don't know that I want to,
but that's what he's telling the police now. That shows
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a pattern that he had chosen to do this. However,
when you look at Mrs Rago's caused death, she was shot.
She was shot, So he deviates from a methodology at
this point in time where he's utilizing a fire and
by the way, he was not supposed to be in
possession of one because he's a convicted fellow. And you know,
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that's one of the ways that the Feds were able
to hang charges on him initially because he was found
in possession of firearm and since he's previously been convicted
of felony and had done time up in Michigan, he's
not supposed to possess one, and so that was another
box that the Feds and the investigators were able to
tick in this case. But here's the really sad part
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of this is that, unlike her mother, as Rego, her
body has never been found. I was just going to
ask you about that, Joe, how do we know that
she was shot if her body was never found well
that that that information is going to have to come
from the perpetrator, you know, and that that goes to
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the level of skill that that the police and the investigators,
you know, utilized. It's one thing, you know, guys like
me that deal in forensics and all those sorts of
things and people are wild by what we can do
at the scene, and you know, documentation and action of
evidence and all that. But what's really fascinating is when
you watch an interview, in an interrogation to see what
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kind of information can be elicited from a subject that
is willing to talk to you. And keep in mind,
when we talked about Prince, one of the things that
he had talked about was that he wasn't gonna say
anything else until he had a lawyer present. But when
he did have a lawyer present, he essentially rolled over
a confessed to everything. As a matter of fact, remember
he had said that I can put you within three
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feet of Edna's remains. So you know, our supposition here
is that he he essentially divulged this information to the investigators.
So as police began to you know, kind of work
this out, they begin to see this pattern evolving with
his behavior and and how he had gone about essentially
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identifying the individuals he was going to kill. When you
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work serialized events, there's part of you as an investigator
you begin to think, you know, will this ever end?
The human side of your kicks in and you're hoping,
against hope that there won't be anymore. But in the
case of Daniel Prince, there did turn out to be
another one, and that was a lady named Lee Goodman. Jackie.
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I gotta tell you, I'm I'm at a loss. She
she had kind of a difficult life but had succeeded
in spite of a lot of pitfalls that she had experienced.
She did She had been married multiple times. She had
four children that she raised successfully in that they moved
on to be successful themselves. But she still lived her
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life a little bit on the transient side, not in
what we think most of the time when people talk
about transience. She just liked to move around a lot.
She was a licensed occupational therapist and she did like
to move around a lot. But unfortunately for her, she
ran into Daniel Prince. In fact, she lived on his
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property for a while. The relationship is kind of interesting
and murky because you know it, all of these people
that Prince has associated with, he seems to in some
way be able to kind of insert himself into their lives.
As a matter of fact, you know, we think back
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to how some of these deaths came about, that came
about as a result of him essentially preparing a lethal
cocktail of medication. He had gotten that medication from one
of the victims and had held onto it. Now you
talk about purposed, you know, he's taking medication that I
think that could be sold on the street, and you know,
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you're talking about something and like ada vand that's an
anti anxiety medication, you know, kind of like xan X
that would have some value to it. No, no, no, no,
he didn't use it himself. He didn't try to sell
it on the street. He held onto it because it
had utility, and he would purpose himself, at least from
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my perspective, to interject himself into these ladies lives, every
single one of them. And Lee Goodman was no different.
You know, you begin to think about somebody that is
predator like Prince, and you know, the police, the FBI
as well as the locals and the state police, they
identified him as a monster. They said that he was
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a predator and he's always on the lookout. So you
take someone like Ms Goodman, who had, like you had
mentioned Jackie, had lived kind of a transient life, had
moved around a bit, had some instability, been through multiple marriages.
She's going to have an area that can be exploited.
She's looking for a place to live. Yeah, come on,
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I've got a nice place. I've got property. You can
live here on my property. My wife won't mind, you know,
come and stay here for a while. But you know,
that's what a predator does. They want to be able
to take advantage of individuals that they know that they
can have success against. Keep in mind, he's not going
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after some you know, two and fifty pound NFL linebacker here.
He's going against people that are down their luck many times,
or that are weakened by age or infirmity. He's inserting
himself into their life. You know, he's even looking for people.
You look at Edna, people that do good in the community.
You know, she probably talked to anybody that's walking down
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the street. They just look for that point that they
can kind of dig themselves into their lives and insert themselves.
And you know. As it turned out, when the police
began to talk to him, he you know, actually admitted
that he did, in fact kill Lee Goodman. What sets
these murders apart is the fact that it seems that
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Daniel Prince praise on older women. I don't want to
say elderly, but the women that he seems to have
preyed on were over fifty. But one of the other
things that stands out about him as a serial killer
is the way he kills people. We know that he poisoned,
we know that he shot, but we don't really know
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what he did to Lee Goodman. No, we don't. And
guess what, we never will. They couldn't come up with
a conclusion relative to how her life had ended. One
of the more chilling aspects to this case is that
the police put out the information that of the two
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women that to this date that are still missing, Daniel
Prince disposed of their bodies, by his own admission, in
a manner in which they can never be recovered. And
just think about what that entails. If you're not capable
of of finding the bodies and there are in no
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condition to be examined, how are you ever going to
make an exact determination, and that puts the police, the
Attorney General, the FBI, it puts them in a position
where they're having to be totally reliant upon the word
of a monster, of a predator, Daniel Prince in this case,
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that that's really all you have to go on. And
I have to say, you know, the police have played
this very close to the vest because this case actually
did become a federal case and the FEDS prosecuted this.
It was actually tried or heard in the federal district court,
and Daniel Prince wound up going to federal prison for
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the rest of his life. By the way, not as
much information has been released in these cases, as say,
for instance, this had occurred at a state level where
the state was the sole investigator. The many times the
FEDS are not as likely to release information the specifics
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about a case, to say the locals or the state
police might be. I think what frightens me the most
about hearing the details of all of these investigations is
the knowledge that this is probably not the only murders
he's ever committed. It's just the ones that we know about.
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You're absolutely right when you consider the fact that Daniel
Prince has done time in the Michigan State Penitentiary for kidnapping.
I was in Michigan. These cases took place in South
Carolina and North Carolina. Where's he been in the interim?
What has occurred? And also the fact that he was
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willing to give up specific information about these four women
that we're covering today really gives you pause. You think,
you know, where else has he been, who else? Who
else has he impacted along the way, What other families
are missing people that might be associated with this man?
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You know, because he's He's not like a stranger that
hides in the darkness and then steps out suddenly, like
some kind of monster in a movie. He's a guy
that warms up to you. He's a guy that becomes
your friend. He's a guy that you give power of
attorney to. He's a guy that takes your s s
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I checks, and then he's he's a guy that absolutely
destroys you. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body
backsh
Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. When I hear the
term up country, I think of arguably one of the
most beautiful places in the United States. That's the most
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northerly portion of the state of South Carolina. It's that
it's that welcome matt that brings you into Appalachia. And
there's a little tiny town there called Travelers Rest. It's
a beautiful place. I've been there many times throughout my
life and it's it's kind of like entering into this
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beautiful forested area prime Evil where you begin to see
the land rise before you. It's beautiful streams, mountains. But
for Edna Subtles, it turned out to be one of
the most horrible locations that she could have ever been. Today,
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we're gonna talk about the homicide, the murder of Edna Suttles.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags. Jackie Howard,
the executive producer of Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, is
joining me again today. Jackie. I know that you're from
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that area of the country up in Tennessee, and it
is certainly beautiful, and I have to think that Edna
I probably thought it was rather gorgeous too, what do
you think. I do agree, Joe, and in fact, most
of us who live in the mountains and are from
that part of the area do consider it to be
God's country. But unfortunately for Edna subts someone else decided
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to make it no man's land. Edna Subtles and her jeep,
Grand Cherokee, disappeared from her home in Traveler's Rest, as
you said, around August. Her car was found oh about
a week later September three, also parked in a Best
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Western parking lot, and as investigators started looking and investigating
this case, they found surveillance camera footage from the hotel
parking lot that helped them start a timeline of what
happened to Edna Subtles. This may have been the last
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footage of her. Let me tell you a little something
about Edna that's absolutely fascinating. I found out about her
life that I don't know if too many people know this.
Edna is actually the first in the history of the
state of South Carolina that was a bail bondsman. And
she's eighty years old, so she's she's been around people
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you can't imagine in the bail bonds world that are dangerous,
perhaps very scary, and so you would think that her
census would be up and aware that maybe there was
trouble at hand. But in Edna's case, apparently, whoever it
was that approached her, it didn't send off any alarms
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for her. She was essentially taken unawares, and when that happens,
there's not necessarily an evidence of struggle. As investigators, you
begin to think about, well, who in her immediate circle
would have been there that would have put her at
that level of comfort. You know, where she's not gonna flee,
she's not gonna scream, she's not gonna run away. You know,
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you don't have reports from a parking lot somewhere that's
saying that she's been snatched. We saw someone put her
in to a car and drive off with her. There's
nothing to indicate that in Edna's disappearance, And so for me,
you begin to look as an investigator, You begin to
look at the individuals that kind of inhabit her life
and that are around her, maybe not on a daily basis,
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but at least those she's familiar with. Edna was seen
with her car, but then Edna disappeared and she was
reported missing. How was she reported missing? Was did her
family miss her? Or was it her business that missed her.
You know another thing about Edna that I find quite fascinating.
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She was well known and travelers rest as an individual.
Now she's eighty, okay, but she had kind of found
a calling in life to serve the elderly community, those
that are, you know, kind of shut in, that don't
have folks necessarily in their life that can combine and
check on them and that sort of thing. And in
Edna's case, there was an elderly person that she would
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look in on and come and sit with them and
tend to them and take care of some of their
basic needs. And when she didn't show up, when she
didn't show up to that appointment, remember that's that might
be the only outside contact that that individual has. Lauren
Bells went off for that individual. So the initial tip
actually came from a person that hadn't cared about, that
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was checking in on her on a regular basis, and
when she didn't show up, that person alerted the police
to say, listen, my friend didn't come by here. I
haven't seen her and haven't heard from her, and I'm
worried Edna's body was discovered in a wooded area. Tell
me a little bit about what happened to her, and
then we could talk about what investigators are going to
need to recover from that scene to pinpoint who murdered
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Edna Suttles. You know, one of the fascinating things about
this case that that our listeners need to understand is
that at any point in time, at any point in time,
when a criminal begins to engage in any kind of
criminal enterprise and they cross over state lines, that almost
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automatically in many cases makes a case a federal case
at that point. I think a lot of people get
confused over this. But when you have a person that
is missing and you might have an indication that they
are somewhere out of state, one of the default positions
is the idea of kidnapping. Now, you can have kidnapping
that occurs within state boundaries, but when you cross over
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a state line of a perpetrator crosses over state line
with an individual that has in fact been kidnapped, that's
one of the primary duties of the FBI. And so
the FBI got involved in this case. And you know,
when Edna's body was finally located. It wasn't in South
Carolina or anywhere near Traveler's rest. It was out in
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a wooded area up in North Carolina. So when she
was found eventually up there, she had in fact been buried,
and her her death just absolutely since shockwaves through that community,
through through the lives of everybody that she touched. You know,
you can imagine if she's a a bondsman where you know,
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people have to go and see her at the worst
times of their life. She's made connections in that community,
not to mention the age agent that she had been
touching their lives or sometimes as well. It creates something
where people become scared really really quickly. And that's when
the police began to dig into this case and they
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found something that was just absolutely ominous. I bet I
can tell you what that was, Joe. When the m
E started the autopsy on ed this remains, they found
something a drug in her system. Am I right? Well
to say that they found a drug in her system
is is an interesting way to put it there. There
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were actually three drugs involved in in Edna's death, and
I don't know that I recall handling a case that's
quite this sophisticated, if you will. There were actually several drugs,
and this is something that we would refer to as
a deadly cocktail. One drug was essentially a muscle relaxer,
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another one was a narcotic pain reliever. And then I
think probably the most significant thing here is a drug
that's referred to as ad event. It goes by a
variety of different names, but at events specifically is used
for anti anxiety. And these had been crushed and mingled
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together and then placed into a cup of yogurt. Now
is that something that she would have ingested of her
own volition, And as it turned out, it wasn't. It
was actually a grouping of medication that was placed into
a yogurt cup by a man named Daniel Prince, who
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actually administered that to her while she was restrained, restrained
in his vehicle. So, when investigators were looking at the
video that is going to tie us back to the
man you just mentioned, Daniel Prince, he was seen that
the man you just mentioned was seen in that surveillance
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video with Edna Suttles. Yeah, he was, And actually this
is quite fascinating. Edna had arrived at a local foodline
grocery store, and there's actually videography from a surveillance camera
that puts them in the same place at the same time.
He's driving his vehicle and she, of course is driving
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this two thousand fourteen Jeep vehicle that she had. And
you remember what I said in the beginning, where we
begin to look at individuals that you feel comfortable with
their in your immediate circle. In that video, there was
actually interaction between the two. Daniel Prince can be seen
waving at her on the video camera. Now just think
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about that just for a second. It's not like some
stranger you know, comes at you out of the dark
alley somewhere. This is an individual that she knew. That
it has been at least intimated over the course of
this case and some associated cases that they did in
fact have a relationship with one another and had known
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one another for a few years. Now. No one is
really quite sure about the nature of that relationship, but
it was such a relationship that it's just like if
you come across your neighbor in a parking lot and
they motioned to you, and you come on over and
you begin to engage in conversation with them. She actually
gets into the vehicle with Daniel Prince and leaves from
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that location, and she's essentially at that point in time,
she's in his control. Now, no one really knows what
happened to her, but somehow, some way, she actually wound
up in the trunk of his vehicle, restrained, and he,
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at that point in time, had it ministered this toxic
cocktail to her, which consisted of these three very very
powerful drugs that would have brought about her death. The
horror of this, you know, I think that you know
probably on one level, if you're restrained and you're being
forced to eat something, the most glaring thing is, well,
what are what are you giving me? First off, why
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I am I restrained? You're my friend? And then you
begin to think about, well why are you feeding me?
All of a sudden, and I can only imagine the
horror that began to rise up in her because as
these drugs would begin to kick in in her system.
Every single one of these just taken a loan, has
a level of lethality to it, but when they are combined,
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it begins to suppress the respiratory system. Breathing becomes labored,
you become disoriented, essentially, and eventually you'll go into a
comato state and it's certainly enough to kill you. As
investigators moved in on Prince and executed warrants, they found
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Subtle's belongings on prince property. They found her purse, They
found her jeep keys hidden in a bee box on
Prince's property, and in that bee box they also found rope,
zip ties and rubber gloves. It was almost like they
found the smoker's board of evidence. Yeah. You know, when
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you you begin to think about seeing something like this
as an investigator, automatically, you know, if you've got a
missing person and you believe that they are connected to
the individual that you're looking at, and you go out
and you begin to put a profile essentially together of
the individual that you're you're assessing at that point in time,
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and this automatically, uh, you begin to think, you know,
why in the world would you retain these items? You know,
there are certain items that are contained in there that
have no purpose. They serve no purpose whatsoever other than
to perhaps reminisce to think back upon. And you know,
with serial killers in particular, one of the things that
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they will do is they will go back and they
look at items and they can be any number of items,
and depended upon the particular serial killer that you're talking about,
over the years, they will focus in on specific items
and it's everything from clothing to toys sometimes to anything
that reminds you of those events. And what I find
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fatascinating about this is that he had hidden this inside
of a bee box. Now, I gotta tell you, I
have a terrible fear of being stung. So if if
I'm searching out there on a on a piece of
property and I'm executing a search warrant, you might have
to call on another investigator to go look in the
bee box, because I don't know if I'm going to
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be the person that you would want to task with
that because I'm terrified of being stung. But isn't that
interesting that you could use a box like this is
associated with, you know, growing bees and harvesting honey, is
what it comes down to, and you use that that
space in order to keep people away, and it's actually
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a place that you're storing things literally in plain sight.
Now isn't that fascinating. I don't know that I've ever
come across the case where you have an individual that
is taking these items and placing them in plain view
like this for everybody in the world to see if
they have the intestinal fortitude to go open that box up.
And when the police did, they found all of these
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items that were associated with Edna, and automatically, I can
imagine fireworks are going off in their mind. They're thinking,
you know, what in the world is he doing retaining
all of these items now that we know that he
is a serial killer. As you've intimated, you would have
to imagine he's trying to save himself either a momento
or wanting to use it again. But as the investigators
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dotted their eyes and crossed their tees in this investigation,
what I find absolutely fascinating is that this circle was
drawn closed by the fact that investigators took a cadaver
dog to Prince's property and the cadaver dog alerted to
human decomposition on Subtle's car and in Prince's wife's car,
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which is what they said he used to kidnap Subtles. Yeah,
isn't that's something that after all of that time, the
dogs can begin to pick up on sense like this.
You know, we we think back to cases where cadaver
dogs have been used in order to facilitate recovery of remains,
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and you think about, you know, I often talk about
how fascinated I am by what dogs are capable of doing.
You know, I often compare it to the visual spectrum
of light, you know, and our ability to see as
human beings. And of course dogs are renowned for eyesight too,
but they're also they also have kind of an olfactory
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spectrum where they can smell things that that we as humans,
mere mortals, we we we don't have that ability. And
when these dogs are trained specifically to do this, they
can pick up on the slightest hint of any kind
of decomposing material. Now, you have canines that are out
there to actually track living human beings, but there are
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a group of dogs, Caldaver dogs are utilized in order
to look for decomposing remains. And because the body as
it begins to break down, gives off a specific scent.
So does that necessarily mean that that you have found
the body at that point in time, No, it doesn't,
but at least from a circumstantial standpoint, the investigators can say,
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and I would assume that the prosecutors, you know, are
chirping in on this as well, is that we begin
to formulate something here. We know that this is not
something that would be commonly accepted, that it's not a
common occurrence to have the smell of human decomposition in
a particular vehicle. That gives us an idea that at
some point in time, a decomposing human remain had passed
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through this space. And what do you use a car for, Well,
you use a car in order to get from point
A to point B, and in this case, that's where occurred.
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I've had people ask me over the course of my career,
why do you want to be an investigator? And sometimes
one of the answers that I will give folks is
that I'm nosy. I like to, you know, go digging
about and trying to find information out about these cases
and these people's lives that that I'm trying to determine
what brought that life to a particular end. And in
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this case, I gotta tell you, Jackie Boy, did the
cops hit the Jackpott when they began to investigate Edna's death.
It's amazing what else they found at Daniel princess house.
And what the things that they found revealed is that
Prince was indeed a serial killer, and Edna Subtles was
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not his first victim, just the first. Found At Prince's home,
invest to Getters found pill bottles for cyclod benzapine, tramadol,
and LaRaza PAM that were prescribed to Nancy Rago and
Nancy had been missing out of Charlotte. So here we
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find more victims. Yeah, and you know, with the increased
interests that we have in our country right now of
people that are missing an unknown I mean, it's it's
amazing to me how focus has shifted now to people
that you know. In my field in medical legal death investigation,
we came across a lot of unknowns. We had unknown skeletons,
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you know, people that were never identified. We had unknown
intact bodies. But now you begin to see the breadth
and depth. I think of how many tragedies there are
out there in this country. In this poor woman had
been missing since two thousand seventeen. And when I began
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to eat about her and read about the life that
she had led, you know, again all these memories came
flooding back to me of the pain that I've seen
in families faces over the years where they didn't know
what had happened to their loved one, and as as
tragic as it is, you know, at least the family,
her family has actually given this bit of information now
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and they can begin to move on. But what's significant now,
I think probably for the police at this at this
part of the investigation, is that they knew that they
they were dealing with something that was bigger than just
a one off event where this guy, Daniel Prince, who
by the way, is a felon, a convicted felon, had
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done time in Michigan previously for kidnapping. They knew that
they were dealing with something that was far bigger than
simply the death of Edna and her disappearance. Now they're
looking at another death. They're looking at connectivity with a
woman that has been missing since two thousand seventeen. And
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I can imagine, because you know, this is kind of
an isolated area of the country. Can you imagine you're
in this rural location, you don't come across this every day,
and all of a sudden you're faced with the prospect
that you're dealing with not just one, but two, maybe
even more than that death. The problem that investigators had
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here is that even though they found the prescription bottles
in Nancy Rego's name. They didn't know where Nancy Rego was,
so they had to depend upon information that they could
pull together and comments made by Prince himself. Yeah, that's true.
And you know, there's there's one narrative that he had,
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you know, when the police are beginning to press prints
and trying to elicit information from him, because they know
that they're onto something. You know, they know that this
guy didn't just run into Edna and he decided to
kill her and take her, you know, off into an
isolated area and bury her remains. They knew that there
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was something bigger there, and they really wanted to begin
to probe this. And it's fascinating that in a couple
of comments that he made, he deferred to this idea
of euthanasia, and just think about that just for a second.
He he had actually at least implied that there were
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other people that he had kind of assisted, if you will,
in their desks to give them, I don't know, I guess,
relief from what he perceived as pain in this world
or whatever. And at least that was the narrative that
he was trying to sell to the police. At that
point in time. And can you imagine you're sitting there
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and and you're trying to elicit information from this guy
and he's telling you that, Well, you know, I view
it that, Yeah, I've been involved in in some deaths,
but they were they were friends, they aided them in
their deaths. But suddenly, you know, with Prince, when they
began to kind of dig deeper relative to Edna's death, he,
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you know, at that moment, Tom said he wanted an
attorney and he wouldn't tell him any more information without
an attorney present. But what he did say, he says,
I can bring you within three ft of Edna's body.
The issue here, though, Joe, isn't it's not just the
death of Nancy Rego and where is her body, but
her eight year old mother was also missing. We find
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that Prince had power of attorney over Rego's property, so
Nancy Rego and her mother, it appears, died at the
same time. Nancy Rego disappeared on the day that her
mother was found in the home, and just like Edna
Subtle's Dolora Sellers was killed by a combination of medications.
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Said to her, you know, Jackie, you think about this
and one of one of my fallback positions relative to
serial killers when you begin to kind of analyze their
behavior and see what they they do, what their purposed
to do, how they go about doing it. They like
to stay. You know, we hear about geographic predispositions. You know,
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they don't you know, go outside of their area. I
hate to use the word hunt, but that's essentially the
way they kind of frame this whole thing. But another
thing that's very important when you begin to look at
the way serial killer's function is that many times they
will stick with same methodologies. And we see in Edna
where you know, she had medication that was applied to
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her and apparently it led essentially to her death. Now
we have this eighty year old woman who's found dead
at home and they were able to determine that she
was given a lethal overdose again of a prescription cocktail.
And you know, we think back to what Prince was
saying in this interview that he was given to the police,
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you know, when they were you know, trying to assess
what was going on, and he used the term euthanasia.
He talked about euthanizing a friend of his to speed
them along the way to kind of help them along
the way, you know, to I don't know what his
perception was, Lord knows. I don't know that I want to,
but that's what he's telling the police now. That shows
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a pattern that he had chosen to do this. However,
when you look at Mrs Rago's caused death, she was shot.
She was shot, So he deviates from a methodology at
this point in time where he's utilizing a fire and
by the way, he was not supposed to be in
possession of one because he's a convicted fellow. And you know,
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that's one of the ways that the Feds were able
to hang charges on him initially because he was found
in possession of firearm and since he's previously been convicted
of felony and had done time up in Michigan, he's
not supposed to possess one, and so that was another
box that the Feds and the investigators were able to
tick in this case. But here's the really sad part
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of this is that, unlike her mother, as Rego, her
body has never been found. I was just going to
ask you about that, Joe, how do we know that
she was shot if her body was never found well
that that that information is going to have to come
from the perpetrator, you know, and that that goes to
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the level of skill that that the police and the investigators,
you know, utilized. It's one thing, you know, guys like
me that deal in forensics and all those sorts of
things and people are wild by what we can do
at the scene, and you know, documentation and action of
evidence and all that. But what's really fascinating is when
you watch an interview, in an interrogation to see what
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kind of information can be elicited from a subject that
is willing to talk to you. And keep in mind,
when we talked about Prince, one of the things that
he had talked about was that he wasn't gonna say
anything else until he had a lawyer present. But when
he did have a lawyer present, he essentially rolled over
a confessed to everything. As a matter of fact, remember
he had said that I can put you within three
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feet of Edna's remains. So you know, our supposition here
is that he he essentially divulged this information to the investigators.
So as police began to you know, kind of work
this out, they begin to see this pattern evolving with
his behavior and and how he had gone about essentially
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identifying the individuals he was going to kill. When you
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work serialized events, there's part of you as an investigator
you begin to think, you know, will this ever end?
The human side of your kicks in and you're hoping,
against hope that there won't be anymore. But in the
case of Daniel Prince, there did turn out to be
another one, and that was a lady named Lee Goodman. Jackie.
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I gotta tell you, I'm I'm at a loss. She
she had kind of a difficult life but had succeeded
in spite of a lot of pitfalls that she had experienced.
She did She had been married multiple times. She had
four children that she raised successfully in that they moved
on to be successful themselves. But she still lived her
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life a little bit on the transient side, not in
what we think most of the time when people talk
about transience. She just liked to move around a lot.
She was a licensed occupational therapist and she did like
to move around a lot. But unfortunately for her, she
ran into Daniel Prince. In fact, she lived on his
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property for a while. The relationship is kind of interesting
and murky because you know it, all of these people
that Prince has associated with, he seems to in some
way be able to kind of insert himself into their lives.
As a matter of fact, you know, we think back
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to how some of these deaths came about, that came
about as a result of him essentially preparing a lethal
cocktail of medication. He had gotten that medication from one
of the victims and had held onto it. Now you
talk about purposed, you know, he's taking medication that I
think that could be sold on the street, and you know,
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you're talking about something and like ada vand that's an
anti anxiety medication, you know, kind of like xan X
that would have some value to it. No, no, no, no,
he didn't use it himself. He didn't try to sell
it on the street. He held onto it because it
had utility, and he would purpose himself, at least from
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my perspective, to interject himself into these ladies lives, every
single one of them. And Lee Goodman was no different.
You know, you begin to think about somebody that is
predator like Prince, and you know, the police, the FBI
as well as the locals and the state police, they
identified him as a monster. They said that he was
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a predator and he's always on the lookout. So you
take someone like Ms Goodman, who had, like you had
mentioned Jackie, had lived kind of a transient life, had
moved around a bit, had some instability, been through multiple marriages.
She's going to have an area that can be exploited.
She's looking for a place to live. Yeah, come on,
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I've got a nice place. I've got property. You can
live here on my property. My wife won't mind, you know,
come and stay here for a while. But you know,
that's what a predator does. They want to be able
to take advantage of individuals that they know that they
can have success against. Keep in mind, he's not going
(31:24):
after some you know, two and fifty pound NFL linebacker here.
He's going against people that are down their luck many times,
or that are weakened by age or infirmity. He's inserting
himself into their life. You know, he's even looking for people.
You look at Edna, people that do good in the community.
You know, she probably talked to anybody that's walking down
(31:44):
the street. They just look for that point that they
can kind of dig themselves into their lives and insert themselves.
And you know. As it turned out, when the police
began to talk to him, he you know, actually admitted
that he did, in fact kill Lee Goodman. What sets
these murders apart is the fact that it seems that
(32:08):
Daniel Prince praise on older women. I don't want to
say elderly, but the women that he seems to have
preyed on were over fifty. But one of the other
things that stands out about him as a serial killer
is the way he kills people. We know that he poisoned,
we know that he shot, but we don't really know
(32:31):
what he did to Lee Goodman. No, we don't. And
guess what, we never will. They couldn't come up with
a conclusion relative to how her life had ended. One
of the more chilling aspects to this case is that
the police put out the information that of the two
(32:53):
women that to this date that are still missing, Daniel
Prince disposed of their bodies, by his own admission, in
a manner in which they can never be recovered. And
just think about what that entails. If you're not capable
of of finding the bodies and there are in no
(33:17):
condition to be examined, how are you ever going to
make an exact determination, and that puts the police, the
Attorney General, the FBI, it puts them in a position
where they're having to be totally reliant upon the word
of a monster, of a predator, Daniel Prince in this case,
(33:38):
that that's really all you have to go on. And
I have to say, you know, the police have played
this very close to the vest because this case actually
did become a federal case and the FEDS prosecuted this.
It was actually tried or heard in the federal district court,
and Daniel Prince wound up going to federal prison for
(33:59):
the rest of his life. By the way, not as
much information has been released in these cases, as say,
for instance, this had occurred at a state level where
the state was the sole investigator. The many times the
FEDS are not as likely to release information the specifics
(34:20):
about a case, to say the locals or the state
police might be. I think what frightens me the most
about hearing the details of all of these investigations is
the knowledge that this is probably not the only murders
he's ever committed. It's just the ones that we know about.
(34:42):
You're absolutely right when you consider the fact that Daniel
Prince has done time in the Michigan State Penitentiary for kidnapping.
I was in Michigan. These cases took place in South
Carolina and North Carolina. Where's he been in the interim?
What has occurred? And also the fact that he was
(35:07):
willing to give up specific information about these four women
that we're covering today really gives you pause. You think,
you know, where else has he been, who else? Who
else has he impacted along the way, What other families
are missing people that might be associated with this man?
(35:29):
You know, because he's He's not like a stranger that
hides in the darkness and then steps out suddenly, like
some kind of monster in a movie. He's a guy
that warms up to you. He's a guy that becomes
your friend. He's a guy that you give power of
attorney to. He's a guy that takes your s s
(35:52):
I checks, and then he's he's a guy that absolutely
destroys you. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body
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