November 25, 2025 • 49 mins
A 2023 Tesla Model Y was abandoned in the Hollywood Hills along Bluebird avenue on July 29, 2025. The dented and dirty Tesla has Texas license plates. After several weeks of no movement, a neighbor reports the car abandoned, starting a timeline in the middle of a horrible story that includes Celeste Rivas, reported missing from her parents home on April 5, 2024 when she is just 13, and a 20-year-old singing star on-the-rise, D4VD, on his first world tour promoting his first full-length CD, "Withered". How did the dismembered, decomposing body of Celeste Rivas end up in the frunk of an abandoned Tesla registered to D4VD?
Transcribe Highlights
00:00:02.45 Introduction - Celeste Rivas case
00:01:25.02 Suspect identified, not officially named
00:02:08.82 Due to volume of info, this is part 1
00:03:05.66 Body found in frunk of Tesla
00:04:59.97 Tesla abandoned in the Hollywood Hills
00:10:20.12 Smell of death
00:15:07.96 Movement of wrecker could cause bag to leak
00:20:06.74 Tesla is 2023 Model y - abandoned
00:25:32.97 Victim didn't crawl in bag and seal it
00:30:29.09 Explaining problem with a "wet" body
00:35:35.67 Took 10 days to identify Celeste Rivas
00:40:05.21 Getting prints, other evidence from bag containing remains
00:44:39.22 Celeste reported missing April 5, 2024 - she was 13
00:49:24.02 Conclusion of Part 1
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body Dots with Joseph's gotten more. I get messages all
the time from people that tell some of the most
tragic stories. I wish that I could go and provide
answers to people. I wish I had a whole staff
(00:22):
of people that I could have take a look at
cases on my behalf and kind of filter them to
me where I can. But it's an empirical impossibility. I wish,
I wish. I wish there has been a case now
that has been I guess dogging us for some time
(00:45):
where there is a marked level of interest, certainly on
the behalf of the authorities in Los Angeles, California, hopefully
on the part of the family, and we might have
(01:08):
a crack in the wall. Finally, we might have a
little beam of light at shining through. Because now, for
the first time in a very long time, a suspect
has been identified in the Celeste Grievous Hernandez death investigation.
(01:33):
Let's kind of open the book and take this step
by step, just like we should with any forensic investigation,
and see what we know versus what we suspect. I'm
Josephcott Morgan and this is Bodybacks Dave. I'm going to
(01:56):
go ahead, brother and open up us saying, and I
think that you will probably concur with me on this.
We've got so much to go over. This is going
to be a two part Okay, We've got to do
this because this thing is so wonky and so bizarre.
I don't know, at least in my recollection that we've
(02:19):
ever covered a case like this that has kind of
drug on yeah, for so many months now, And.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
In reality, we're starting in the middle. To begin this story,
you have to start in the middle, and then you
go backwards and forwards from there. As we begin, Yeah,
no arrest has been made, right, no official person of
interest or suspect, not officially speaking. Unofficially, yes, So the
(02:48):
story of Celeste Reeves from our standpoint, begins with a
body being found in a car in the front of
a Tesla that is in an impound lot in La
in the Hollywood Hills. So that's where we start. And
the first time I covered this case was right after
(03:09):
because well, again you've got a body, a decomposing, dismembered
corpse in a bag found in the front the front
trunk of a twenty twenty three Tesla Model Y and
the story begins to break there because that's just not
(03:30):
a normal occurrence. And second of all, it was not
only just Tesla, it was an abandoned Tesla. So the
coverage starts there, so immediately who owned the car? I mean,
you've got an abandoned Tesla. It's a high end model
that doesn't these cars don't just get abandoned in the
Hollywood Hills, and it gets abandoned in a neighborhood where
(03:53):
there's homes that rent for twenty thousand dollars a pop
a month.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You have this. What's so weird about this, Dave, is
that you've literally got, as you mentioned, a high end
car that is a very Tesla is unlike anything else,
are a very personal car, you know. It's it's not
like something we can go down and buy some rattle trap,
you know, down and used car lot. This is something
(04:17):
that's very specific to people, you know, with biometrics and
everything else. And to abandon a car. Oh, we forgot
to mention this with Texas plates. By the way, that's
banged up, it's dirty, and you've got houses through that
area that rent for thousands and thousands of dollars per month.
It's going to get noticed, and that's you know, going back,
(04:39):
that's one of the weird things.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's where it all picks up. That's why I said
we're starting in the middle, because the story begins with
the finding of a body in a car again a
Tesla that has been impounded because it was labeled abandon
So you've got so many weird things already beginning right there,
abandoned tesla in the Hollywood Hills, right in front of
(05:03):
a house that rents for twenty thousand dollars a month. Yeah,
this is too much. So that's where we start now.
We started coverage on this story because the vehicle with
the Texas plates, dirty with dents that was left abandoned
actually was registered to a young man, a twenty year
(05:25):
old man named David Anthony Burke, who goes by then.
He's an up and coming singer. He's had a number
of hits. He has even had a song that has
been heard over it has been downloaded or no has
been heard I think a billion times. It's one of
those things, a billion. Yeah, he's actually in that. He's
(05:45):
a new artist, a new star. David Anthony Burke goes
by the made up name of D four VD it's
pronounced David, but the letter D, the number four, and
the letter VD okay, pronounced david. But for all intents
and purposes, don't like to call a suspect or somebody
(06:09):
like that by their first name. Easier to just refer
to him as Burke because I don't want to call
him D four V D. I mean, it sounds like
it just sounds like a newly formed sexually transmitted disease.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Got D four VD.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah kind of yeah, it's kind of a.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, much worse than D two or D three. It's
D four B D yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, there you go, And what a what a bizarre
you know, And there's all these kind of bizarre nomenclatures
like that, you know, that are out there, and you
know it's an old guy. I can't make sense of it.
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The artist formerly known as Prince.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But the thing is, he's got a name. And the
reason the story catches wind is because it's a tesla.
It's looking like it's abandoned. It's tied to these Texas
plates registered to the new artist, who, by the way,
the reason he's not there, he's on his first world
tour promoting his first full length album called WITHERD and
(07:12):
he's on He's that's what he's doing when this body
is found in his car. Now, I want to point
something out D four VD. Mister Burke did not make
a public announcement. What the heck was my car doing
on the street abandoned? Why didn't my agent, manager or
somebody in my inner circle take care of this vehicle?
(07:34):
Who's the person found? He didn't say anything, Joe, he
said nothing. Now, if I'm gonna be honest, if somebody
found a dead body in your car, you're at the
beach on vacation, okay, and it's in Jacksonville, Alabama, right
there off campus, and somebody finds a dead body in
(07:55):
your car, are you not going to have an announcement?
I feel so bad for the family. How did this happen?
Who had my car? I mean, you'd be freaking out,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, I'm going to be looking for a microphone to
get in front of because you and I are are
advocates for the dead and families. I want to look
if my property is involved in it some way. I
want to get answers answers for that family that had
been impacted by this. Yeah, you know, it's like one
(08:24):
of these things you want to go up on the
rooftop and shout it from there. You know, not my innocence,
but it's like, let's get answers to find out what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Because you would be innocent, Joe, you would be coming
in from somebody stuffed a dead body in my car
and left my car on the street while I'm out
of town on this first world tour. Come on the
thing is the owner of that vehicle still hasn't said anything. No, so, yeah,
they don't identify the body right away, but tell me
(08:54):
Joseph's goot, Morgan the car who was impounded, it had
the pound the car, meaning it's it's towed because it
had been marked a couple of times in the neighborhood.
A neighbor reports it, we got this dingy car, you know,
a dirty is sitting here for you know, weeks. Finally
the cops come out. They mark it on one day,
they come back because you have a certain number of
(09:15):
days to move your car, and they marked the wheels,
and when it hadn't been moved, they called the tow truck,
and they impounded the vehicle. They didn't have toe it
far from where they got it. They take it to
an impound lot. The next day after it arrives. The stench,
the smell, actually not the next day, it was three days.
(09:35):
It came into the September fifth, September seventh, or eight.
They actually start smelling something, and the guys on the lot,
you know, hey, where's the smell coming from. It's coming
from that tesla. Call the cops. Something's in there now, Joe,
You've had many people say to you and publicly that
a dead body has a very specific smell. You do
(09:57):
not forget. Is that true?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah? It does, and you have to contextualize it at
that moment, Tom, because I've got to tell you for
me personally, if if I were to just blindly be
taken to a field, okay, and maybe behind just a wall, okay,
in a field, and I've got a decomposing human, a
(10:24):
decomposing cow, and a decomposing deer, all right, I cannot
stand there and differentiate between the smells. And let's say
there's some distance apart where I would have to walk
up to that area. You could blindfold me or whatever
I'm going to walk in between them. It's not discernible
even for me, even though I've been around decomposing bodies
(10:48):
most of my life adult life, and I'd say probably
close to probably about thirty thirty percent of the body
that I handled in the field where at least to
some degree decomposed. Some would be more advanced than others.
So you know, it's just it's not something you can
(11:11):
necessarily discern. What you can discern, is it something's wrong
that you have this stench that's in the air. Here's
another thing. That's one of the reasons you wind up
with an infestation of flies, right Because I know this
sounds very callous, but the idea is that when the
(11:32):
smell begins to leach out into the air, it's like
ringing a dinner bell for nature. You know, nature does
not discriminate in this area. As a matter of fact,
they're not put off by it. There's huge groups of
animals within the animal kingdom that are drawn to it,
particularly scavengers, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But in the city street in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Hill, Yeah, that's an intest point because you know, the
one thing that you know about these people out in
la they're a different breed and you start to get
into the thin air financially. You know, with these kind
of people, one thing they do love is their doggies,
and they love to take these doggies on walks. And
(12:16):
I'm just imagining that's That's one of the curious things
about this, David. You know, if you've got the local
residents that are walking walking by this area, why why
is the why are they not picking up on the
stension there?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
How long does it take?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, you have to be very specific about the location because,
as you and I have discussed extensively, you know, environment's
going to dictate everything. And here's the thing, Dave. On record,
this was one of the hottest periods certainly of this
past year. And if I remember correctly, I heard somebody
at some point time, and don't ask me for the day,
(12:56):
I can't remember if you looked at thisarticular time. I
think the body was discovered in August of twenty twenty five,
if I'm not mistaken, September, September, I'm sorry. Yeah, Well,
so to get their number right, yeah, yeah, please go ahead,
that's very important.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, And that's why I'm wondering, because the body or
the car is marked and impounded and towed away on
September the fifth. On September the eighth, three days on
the lot. Police are called because there is a horrible
smell coming from the cars, so it hit. That's why
(13:33):
I was wondering why I meant.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I've got to I've got an answer for this.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
As a cop was marking it a couple of days
in the streets.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just let me jump right in here, peez on this once.
This car, this vehicle, all right, is in motion and
it has been and I'm not sure if they hooked
it up to a tow truck or if they flatbeded
the thing. Okay, either way, there is going to be
Joscelyn that's going on. And hold on to your hat here,
because this is this is particularly disgusting. Okay, back to
(14:10):
my point, this time of year. I'm not saying it's
set records, but if over a ten year period, this
particular marker in time when the body was found was
one of the hottest times on record in La over
like this past ten years, it was you know, in
the top you know, three or whatever. Heat speeds things
up and it really makes things degrade. If the body
(14:34):
contained within this car we're in bags, a bag in bags.
Guess what's building up in the bag? Day fluid. So
when you you winch a car up onto up onto
a flatbed, or even more so, if you hook one
(14:54):
of these, you know, record things up underneath it. Forgive me,
I don't. I'm not a record professional. I can't remember
the name of the apparatus. I like to watch them work.
It's kind of cool. I've got enough little boy in
me to still be fascinated by. As you're jostling down
the road, you can rupture those bags. And if you
rupture those bags, that fluid will begin to seep, and
(15:20):
it can be and again, not knowing about the surface
area perfectly, I think that there's a lot of plastic
in there. But even in plastic areas, let's say that
it's lined out in the tesla, you're going to get
this see pitch. As it begins to seep. Not only
is the liquid going to leach out, but smell is
going to leach out, and you go longer and longer
in three days out there. And this would be a
(15:45):
newer area they're probably putting. I say newer, it would
have to be an empty space, right, So a previously
occupied space. Maybe it's distal you first off. You know,
after three days, finally somebody walks by this thing and
they're like, oh my lord, what in the world is this?
And this lot has to be visited by cops on
a regular basis because I think that they they're probably
(16:07):
contracted by LAPD or their traffic division or whoever to
take care of abandoned vehicles. And you know, there's going
to be criminal charges that are associated with this as
far as like ticketing and all that kind of stuff
that people have to go through. If somebody is walking
by and they catch a whiff of this scene, brother,
it's going to knock you to your knees. I mean
(16:28):
it will, particularly for civilians that are not used to it.
But even for me, as callous as I am to
these sorts of things, it's going to get my attention.
As a matter of fact. You know, I might not
say there's a dead body in the car, but what
I will say is you've got some something in there
that is decomposing. And I don't think it's like chicken
(16:51):
that you've forgotten that you picked up at the grocery
store and just left in there. And I think all
of us have experienced that unfortunate circumstance. You know, you
have something in the car, fell out of a bag
and it begins to rote. I can tell you this,
a deceased animal human that is rotting. Is if you
think bad chicken is bad that's rolled under your seat
(17:14):
or whatever. Ain't got nothing on dead body, all right,
or any other kind of dead animal. It trumps that.
But my lord, when they finally called the cops out there, Dave,
and they cracked this thing open. And here's another thing.
I'm really fascinated by the mechanism with the Tesla. And
I know this seems very passe, if you will, I'm
(17:36):
just fascinated, not knowing enough about Tesla's How do you
disengage the front lock on the thing? How do you
get this thing open? Is there some way you can
bypass the electrical system? Do they get a pry bar out?
I have no idea. I wish somebody would educate me
about this, because you know, inquiring minds want to know.
(17:58):
But I know this, when they got into that trunk,
I can almost guarantee you that what they saw may
have been the consistency a soup. Dave mc brother I
(18:29):
tell you, if I've got a car with a rotting
human remain in it, I think my big question is
from the beginning, is not necessarily who the person is
from Jump Street that's decomposed of the car. I think
(18:50):
one of my of the big questions is who owns
this car? You know, who's honey is in that seat
behind the wheel, who's the person that has the papers
on the car? Because I think that that's you know
that that's a big mystery because and again going back
to this the uniqueness of a Tesla. Remember you said
(19:10):
early on that the Tesla is one of the things.
I wonder if they had said, let's just say they
said Chevy and Palla, right, you think that we would
be as intrigued right now if as opposed to Tesla.
There's something about it because there's this like and it's
a principle in forensics, it's individualization. Who's the car belonged to?
(19:35):
And why on this street?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Why is there a dead body in it?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So now let's start with the car, because the thing
that really got a lot of attention, of course, was
you mentioned it is a Tesla. It's a twenty twenty
three model line and first things first, it's an expensive
car and it's being told because it's abandoned. Okay, you've
got an abandoned Hesla in the Hollywood Hills that immediately
(20:04):
is starting the discussion what kind of person leaves an
abandoned six figure car? You know that doesn't happen in
our world, right, So who owned? So they you mentioned
early on Texas license plate, so we know that they
start digging into who owns this car. Well, it's registered
(20:25):
to David Anthony Burke, the artist known as D four VD,
and is registered in Texas because that's where he's from.
So we got that identity set. We now know who
owns the vehicle. But it was called abandoned Joe. It
had been in the same area for some time, and
(20:47):
we know that the vehicle wasn't parked and left in
the same spot for months on end. It was parked
in several different spots around pretty much around this one
big mansion now houses in the Hollywood Hills, calling them mansions.
It's it's kind of a common thing. This is a
(21:09):
house that rented for twenty thousand dollars a month. And
when you looked at where this car had been parked.
It wasn't. The place where it was actually towed from
was merely the last place that it had been moved,
but it had been reported by neighbors in other areas
along Bluebird Lane over the course of weeks. What we
(21:32):
have been able to find out is that the car
was moved several times until it stopped moving on July
twenty ninth. So from July twenty nine to August twenty six,
this car does not move, and somebody living in this
expensive neighborhood says, this car has not moved. It's dirty,
(21:55):
it's got dense. I don't want this in my hood, man,
get it out of here. It doesn't one of these
things doesn't belong here. One of these things just doesn't belong.
Get that car off Sesame Street. So the cops come
out and they tag it. They mark, you know, they
tag it, got to move your car, and they mark
the tires. They marked tire placement to know whether it's
(22:15):
been moved or not. And when they come back two
days later, well, it hasn't been moved. So finally they
make the call and have it towed. Now at the
point of being towed. Justine Scott Morgan, the registered owner
of the vehicle, David Anthony Burke. He has been living
in a house right there when I'm pointing, because it's
(22:38):
that close to the house that he was renting for
twenty thousand dollars a month. But I want to be
clear here. It is a home that was rented by
David Anthony Burke's manager. The manager rented it for David
Burke to live in and his small little crew of friends.
So Burke is residing in this house, and it's a
(22:58):
car registered to him that had been moved several times
in the neighborhood until it stopped moving on July twenty ninth.
Now it was last move that day, and there is
video surveillance footage showing the car moving to that spot
and never moving again. July twenty ninth is the day
(23:21):
that David Anthony Burke began his world tour for the
Withered album, and he was in San Francisco that night.
So we have an identity surrounding the vehicle, the time
it's last moved and the time that it's picked up
by cops. So whatever happened to it before July twenty ninth,
it was moved in several parts along the street. But
(23:43):
now it goes back to Joe. They know that whatever
was in the car July twenty ninth remained in the
car until police uncovered. You know, we're called to the
lot and the only thing we know is is registered
to Burke. He was living in that house and now
there's a dead body in it. And by the way,
even though we have identify that he's the owner, that
he's on this world tour, he still has not made
(24:04):
a public announcement about a body being found in a
car registered to him.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, there's so many questions because once you get
into the car itself and you crack that trunk and
you visualize all that remains in there, you know, you
begin to ask questions. First off, let's just say, hypothetically,
(24:32):
if you had somebody, you had somebody that crawls inside
of a trunk and closes it behind themselves. Okay, is
it plausible somebody could die inside of a trunk after
doing that? Well, yeah, to the fifth power, yeah it
could happen. It has happened over the years. You've got
a confined space, you might have limited oxygen, it might
(24:57):
be insufficient for life. You could have somebody that would
heat stroking there. Okay, that has hyperthermia. You could certainly
have somebody that could be banging on this thing and
no one ever comes to your rescue. How horrible would
that be? They're dehydrating. But here's here's the bigger question.
If you have a person that does that, they're not
(25:20):
going to be bagged. Okay, that's just yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I didn't crawl in a bag and seal myself in it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, And so you have to think about somebody facilitated that.
You know, that's that would be if you would think
that somebody would do that, that would be so far
outside the norm. And yes, in fact, we do have
a norm that we go by in forensics. There is
a baseline, you know, of what would be normal behavior
(25:52):
in very abnormal circumstances. Placing your own self into a
bag is not normal, all right, So we begin to thinking,
we hear initially, we're hearing you know that when the
body is recovered, and we've never been able to We've
never truly been able to validate this statement. And this
(26:14):
is important here for everybody concerned. We don't know what
the status of the body is because we've heard several
several things where let's say unidentified sources that the police
department have said that the body is is in fact
has been dismembered, and just just to dismember a body.
(26:36):
The process of dismemberment is an action word. Okay. That
means that if you're saying that, if you're if you're
an authority, and you're saying that a dismemberment has actually
taken place, that means that somebody put cold steel to
the body. Okay, because bodies don't just of their own
(26:57):
volition fall apart like that. That's a very specific identifier.
So I think that it's really key here to begin
to try to understand what the status of the body
is that's in a bag. So my question, I think
my big question is when you observe the body. I
(27:20):
had a kid say the other day, how do I
actualize this? I'd never I think I've heard that term before.
And actualize it's kind of a fancy way of saying
looking at something or examining something without saying examining something.
So if you're actualizing the body, you have to think,
if we're talking about a process of dismemberment, brother, we
(27:44):
know that it didn't take place in a Tesla Fronk
that points us somewhere else. So when we begin to
put two and two together, this seems rather simplistic, but
you have to as you said, we're starting in the middle.
We kind of have to work backwards and then go forwards.
The police at this point in time, if you've got
somebody's domicile in this area they belong to the car,
(28:06):
you're left with no other choice. At that point, you're
going to have to explore where the individual's domicile day.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But they got to identify the person first. And now
let me ask you this, because we have heard severely
decomposing body, yeah, dismembered if a body. Let's just let
me let me play this. Let's say that this person
dies in their sleep of sleep apneon, the heart stops
(28:38):
and they and friends find her dead body the next morning.
They didn't, but they're panicked because they don't know what
to do. They're afraid they'll be accused of something, and
so they know they didn't kill her, but they don't
know what to do. So they put her in a
bag and just put her in the trunk until I
figure out what to do, you know, And as the
days go on, at out of side, out of mind. Hey, yeah,
(29:00):
I better move the car and people are going to
get tired of it. Movie again, and then hey, I
can get out of town. I got to do this
concert tour. Well, don't worry about we'll take care of
this when we get back, all right. Is it possible
that it be that a decomposing body, a dead body
placed in a bag as it decomposes, could it disarticulate
on its own and appear to be dismembered when it's not,
(29:23):
when it's not been dismembered.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Excellent question. Uh, And that's going to take some tom
It's going to take some time for this so called disarticulation.
This natural disarticulation take place a protracted period of time.
As a matter of fact. That's why I go back
and when I'm thinking dismemberment and saying that that's an
(29:45):
action word, that's a process that you have to go
through to segment the body, and bodies can in fact
fall apart. I've seen it happen. I've actually had bodies
on scenes and this happens a lot. I've had desks
over the years in bathtubs where there was bath water
(30:08):
drawn and a person has a heart attacking about them
for some reason. It's happened to me a lot two
things here. When you grab a wet body like that,
many times you don't realize how much pounds of force
you're placing to the skin is very fragile. It will
literally collapse the skin as you grip it your hand,
(30:30):
as you grip it to pull, the body will actually
the skin will cave in. If you will, it'll you'll
create kind of a depressed laceration in that space where
you press down. And I've actually driven my fingers, not
intentionally driven my fingers all the way to the bony,
the bony surfaces below. It's that fragile. And yes, I
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have had bodies where I have begun and I'm trying
to be careful because these bodies are very fragile when
I'm pulling them. I've literally had hands become detached at
the wrist, the elbow, and the shoulder on different different events.
And I could feel with the shoulder it's this. Your
shoulder is very complex in the structure itself. Just asking
(31:15):
any you know orthopedic surgeon, very complex to get this
thing to disarticulate of its own. It's kind of a chore,
but it can in fact pull apart. Now I've never
had a leg come apart like that. But what we're
talking about here is you're observing the body, you know,
(31:36):
actualizing the body in certain laughter, laugh track.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Just that Why if you end up taking Professor Joe
Scott Morgan's class at Jacksonville State University used real words,
don't make up something to make yourself sound smart. He's
already been there, done.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I love language, but that's my new word. I know
you love language, but it's like I do, okay looking
at something or actualizing it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So you're pulling this, you know you're pulling, you're pulling
this apart. Well, how long would it take to happen
on its own? I think that it would. It would
take a protracted period of time. And here's and again
my my supposition here is when you open the trunk,
whoever first laid eyes on this, when you open the trunk,
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was a body in pieces? Was it in pieces? I mean,
obviously we can say that the body is decomposing. Smell
is going to you know, it's like the mood the
song Thriller. You remember Vincent Price that's doing the voice
over and he says the funk of forty thousand years.
You know, it's like it's that that smell. It comes
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out in a wave and it hits you in the face.
You think it smells bad outside of the trunk, but
when you lift that trunk lit, it's like, oh, I'm
always fascinated when I see that. In the movies, you know,
people come across decomposing and remain and you can see
the reaction of the actors on the face and they
actually do a pretty good job with that. I've had
that happen before, where it's really it seems intense outside
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the door or in a closed space. You open up
that closed space and it's like it's a living entity
that's waiting inside of that kind of reaches out at
you and like assault your nose. But again, moving away
from the sense of smell and what you're visualizing, what
exactly did our finder see upon opening that trunk was
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the body in pieces because it has fallen apart, and
there are cases where heads actually do come detached from
bodies as a result of having been around. And this
is a protected space, David, It's not like, Okay, yes,
flies can get in there. Yeah, you think that they can't.
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They can get in. Trust me. You can have larval
development and all that stuff, even though you think that
it's sealed tight. But the one thing you don't have
is avager activity like with dogs where they're pulling and
dogs will pull it bodies like that and they will,
you know, facilitate the disarticulation. You don't have that here.
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So this body, this body again going back to dismemberment,
was it in that state when it was placed in
the trunk? And how many separate containers or bags or
whatever they want to call it? Was it placed in
day David Burke, Well, we've established that he owns the car,
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we've established that he's domiciled there in the Hollywood Hills.
The big mystery remains is who is this? And you know,
if you can my I always say if I can,
all investigations begin with identity. If I can find out
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who a person is, I can unravel the riddle at
that point in time, because you have starting place. If
I just have an unknown person, it makes it much
more difficult because I know nothing about the history onics
around this, what kind of life was led? I have
no idea. You know, you just come across a body
that's laying out there. But in this case, Dave, they
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were in fact able to identify this body. You know,
within what three, no, ten days? It took ten days, right,
ten days, from the moment that we're at the car
park or the inpound lot to the point when they say, okay,
we've got it and it you know, it turns out
to be a very young girl. This is a child,
(35:54):
a very young child, and she's this child has been missing.
It has been missing now for a protracted period of time.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Joe, let me ask you, because when we get the
bags out of the car, the boy that sounds so horrible.
I feel horrible for talking about it like this. But
we don't know who the body is. We know that
it's severely decomposed, and we find out early on dismembered,
and so we don't know everything they saw. We have
to assume some things that they saw. But what do
(36:27):
you do because the body is not you're not taking
it out on the scene and rolling it out there
on the pavement saying what do we have here that
they're going to have to transport whatever they have found,
which again severely decomposed. Course, and you mentioned kind of stewish,
How do you move it? What do we how do
you get it from where you are in the parking
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lot in the front of a tesla back to an
actual clean place where you can look at it? And
what are you? Where do you with that?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Because let me tell you, it's not just what is
contained within the bags, it's what's outside of the bags.
Because those bags, if we're talking multiple bags again, they've
been very coy about this whole thing. Dave. I think
you concur with that assassinsolutely. Those bags hold a tremendous
amount of data. And let me tell you what that
(37:19):
data is. So it's not just a matter eh, let's
grab these and kind of throw them in the back
of the van and we're going to run down to
the kind of corners office and work on them. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's not what you're gonna do. You're not. First off,
you're not going to open the bags. If you do,
shame on you. And it's I know you want to,
but the assumption is you've got human remains in here. Okay, Now,
(37:44):
I'm sure that probably one of the bags, at least
one was cracked open. And listen, and this is cautionary tail.
Once you have noted that this is a human in here,
I ain't doing nothing else. You do nothing else whatsoever.
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You better be kitted up with all of your ppe
everything when you're handling these things. You better be gloved up,
mask up, you better have hairnuts on the whole shebin
those bags because if they're plastic bags. Day, If they're
plastic bags, those are non poor surfaces. Do you realize
(38:28):
how much data we can get off of those and
depend upon the type of bag. Now, I'm not talking
about a bag that got grocery bag that comes from
rauphs okay. I'm talking about you know, like hefty, hefty
cinch sack. Okay, if that's what was used, those non
poor surfaces. You're talking about even latent prints that are
(38:52):
on these things, who had their hands on it? Okay,
because you can actually lift prints off of bags like
this and brother it. Yeah, the heat's going to compromise it,
but you have to act as if those latent prints
are still there. So you have to handle these things
with kid gloves. And also, anytime, and I mean anytime
(39:16):
you begin to work on notts, think about in your mind,
what does it take if I take a plastic bag
holding in my hand and you make bunny years out
of it, and you're going to have to manipulate this
bag over and under, and you're going to tie a
square knot, whatever kind of knot you're comfortable with that
(39:37):
you tie your trash up with. Do you realize how
many motions you have to go through to do that?
And readjustments of your hands? Most people don't. Guess who
else does it? Dave perpetrators. They don't realize all the
points that they're touching on there. And then if you're
talking about human remain, you're going to have to leverage
this thing. So you grab it at the top. You
want to stick your hand up underneath it. You might
(39:58):
even hug it. You're gonna throw your arms around it
like this. I know this sounds absurd, I know, but
as forensics people we think this way. If I'm in
kind of intimate contact with the bag, guess what if
my face is hair suit, I've got beard, hair that's
coming off, I've got skin that's coming off, I've got
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hair off of my head that's coming off, and not
to mention everything there on my grimy, grimy hands. So
just the exterior of the bag is like that. So
once you get those bags secured with the remains in them,
there's gonna be a whole team that's going to go
to the medical examiner's office, the corner's office, and brother.
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The first thing from Jump Street is they're gonna be photographed.
They're gonna be logged in, but they're gonna be photographed.
And the most important piece to this, You're still not
going to crack them open. You've got to get them
into your radiology suite. And I think Ellie County, I
don't know if they use portable X rays. We always
use portable X rays, and I don't know how extensive
(41:02):
their visualization capabilities are. But if they have their own separate,
let's say X ray or radiology suite, you're going to
get them in there, get them on a table, or
maybe it's just a portable X ray that has to happen.
And Dave. That in and of itself is confusing because
if you've got a dismembered remain, whoever's doing this is
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not necessarily following along with some kind of anatomical roadmap. Here.
They're essentially collecting remains as they remove them. And piling
them in bags. I've actually had cases day where I've
had a foot and a hand from opposite size of
the body in one bag. So you got a right
hand and a left foot. Okay, can you imagine how
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confusing that is if you X ray that? So what
are we looking for with X ray? Well, the first
thing that's going to come up to mind is anything
that's radio opaque. I want to know. I want to
know if there are any lead core projectiles that are
mixed in with any of these remains, whatsoever. I want
to know if I've got broken broken knife tips in there.
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And here's one other thing that people don't think about.
If a body is dismembered, Dave, and you don't know
what you're doing, and most people don't that are dismembering
a body. If you're using some kind of saw, guess
what will happen to the blades on those the fracture
the fracture and you can leave bits of the teeth adjacent,
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and this does happen. I've seen skill saw fracture before,
seeing chainsaws come apart. You just you never know. It's
a crapshoot. So you have to prepare for the worst
with this, and all the while, not only are you
trying to not only are you trying to get the
person identified, but brother Dave, you're still trying to come up.
(43:00):
You still you haven't even gotten into the area where
you're trying to determine what the cause of death is.
Because I can tell you thirteen fourteen year old girls
just don't spontaneously fall apart, right die and fall apart
and eat how it works.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Now, when they get to the point where they have
the body out of the car, they've gone and done
the x rays, They've looked at the clothing which they identified,
because they they're the idea of identifying who the corpse,
who this body is. That was again, who was that
that was found in Singer D four v D's car,
(43:37):
you know, And the first thing that was leaked was tattoos,
clothing things like that. And it was interesting that the
family was contacted by TMZ and that's how we found
out a lot of information about how they identified that
the girl in the vehicle. Well, first of all, the
(43:58):
body found in the vehicle is a female and that
this female and I have real trouble with saying fifteen
year old Celeste Reevas, because Celeste Reevas, when they identified
who it was, it was a missing girl. Okay, I'm
a girl who went missing when she's thirteen years old
(44:20):
from Lake Elson, or about seventy miles to the south.
That's when the announcement came out that his concert tour stopped.
He's not performing tonight in Seattle or San Francisco, and
the sponsors started pulling back. The album's not going to
go out. Everything stopped for him right then because they've
identified that the remains found in his car were those
(44:43):
of a missing child, a girl who went missing when
she was thirteen years old. Now we have a lot
more information about Celeste Reevas and D four BD David Burke.
But Joseph Scott Morgan, as you have talked about dismembering
(45:04):
a body. If the body is dismembered inside of a house,
inside of a residence near where the body was found
in the car, would there be enough evidence left behind
that they that police could say this is where it happened.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, even if.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
They cleaned it all up. Let's say we do it
in the bathroom. We do it in the bathtub, and
we cut her up. God, I hate I just said that,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
But this is bodybags. This is what we do, brother.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
But you know, we've we've had stories. We had a
story in the Northeast where these gross hippies cut up
a person and the reason they got caught is because
then their rented home, if you remember, they cut this
person up in the bathtub, blood and other body things
got clogged. They clogged up their own plumbing in the
house and they left, and you know, the guy that
(45:57):
owned it needs to get it cleaned out to rent
it again. And they find blood, hair and skin in
the tracks, muscle, yeah, and brain dust.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
And this is this is how it works. This is
the hard, cold reality for any of you guys that
you see how Dave's reacting to this. This is what
we face out in the field. This is what these
folks in Ellie County are facing right now because what
happened is so horrific and if in fact she is dismembered,
(46:27):
there will be trace elements. I can tell you whatever
Looney Tune did this, they did not cover their tracks
thoroughly enough, because I think in every single case of
dismemberment that we cover, Dave, there's always something left behind.
And you can't account for it. You know, there's nothing
like this past this. Over the course of the semester,
(46:49):
I've been doing a dissection or remain for my students
at Jacksonville State and it made me very reflective of
a younger at a point when I was much younger
in my life and I was just doing autopsies over
and thousands of them, you know, and suddenly it kind
of sprung back to life. You know, when I'm using
a bone saw and I'm creating that histamine in the
(47:10):
air of the bone dust that you've got blood that
is not necessarily being cast off, but it is there.
It's being deposited in various locations. Most people don't think
about that every time. And you use some kind of
I don't know how to say it. You use some
kind of instrument that is not intended, that is non
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surgical instrument. Dude, you're going to capture so much soft
tissue and you're going to drop it. You're gonna have
muscle tissue, You're gonna have skin, you're gonna have hair.
All of this stuff is coming off. Okay, it's got
to go somewhere, And I'm glad you mentioned the tub
because there's been a lot of these cases where tubs
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are removed and you go into that drain trap, man,
and the drain trap reveals everything, because there's a reason
it's called a trap, right, you know. And you can look,
you can try to clean out that surface area. You
can pour bleach on it if you want to knock
yourself out. But when we get in that drain trap,
we're going to find evidence that's left behind. So this
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is kind of the the area here when you're working
this house. And if I'm not mistaken, they had to
go get They went and got a warrant.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
They did. They got a warrant. The day that the
name came back as a missing girl from Lake Elsinor
police showed up with a search warrant for the address,
a twenty thousand dollars a month home rental home. And
we're going to have to pull up Paul Harvey here.
You mentioned at the beginning that there was too much
(48:45):
information to cover in one so as we have gotten
to the point where she has been identified, they have
all that evidence. Burke is on tour. His tour is canceled.
Cops are at the deck gate. They're coming in to
search his house. Joseph Scott Morgan, you're going to have
to take us from the search warrant to where we
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are today in our next episode.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Well, I can tell you we are. We're going to
look at this thing through the lens of a death investigator,
and we're going to work our way through it. I
don't know that we'll necessarily have answers that are going
to satisfy everybody, but I think that we've gotten more
information now than we started with weeks and weeks ago.
(49:33):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Bugs
Body Dots with Joseph's gotten more. I get messages all
the time from people that tell some of the most
tragic stories. I wish that I could go and provide
answers to people. I wish I had a whole staff
(00:22):
of people that I could have take a look at
cases on my behalf and kind of filter them to
me where I can. But it's an empirical impossibility. I wish,
I wish. I wish there has been a case now
that has been I guess dogging us for some time
(00:45):
where there is a marked level of interest, certainly on
the behalf of the authorities in Los Angeles, California, hopefully
on the part of the family, and we might have
(01:08):
a crack in the wall. Finally, we might have a
little beam of light at shining through. Because now, for
the first time in a very long time, a suspect
has been identified in the Celeste Grievous Hernandez death investigation.
(01:33):
Let's kind of open the book and take this step
by step, just like we should with any forensic investigation,
and see what we know versus what we suspect. I'm
Josephcott Morgan and this is Bodybacks Dave. I'm going to
(01:56):
go ahead, brother and open up us saying, and I
think that you will probably concur with me on this.
We've got so much to go over. This is going
to be a two part Okay, We've got to do
this because this thing is so wonky and so bizarre.
I don't know, at least in my recollection that we've
(02:19):
ever covered a case like this that has kind of
drug on yeah, for so many months now, And.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
In reality, we're starting in the middle. To begin this story,
you have to start in the middle, and then you
go backwards and forwards from there. As we begin, Yeah,
no arrest has been made, right, no official person of
interest or suspect, not officially speaking. Unofficially, yes, So the
(02:48):
story of Celeste Reeves from our standpoint, begins with a
body being found in a car in the front of
a Tesla that is in an impound lot in La
in the Hollywood Hills. So that's where we start. And
the first time I covered this case was right after
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because well, again you've got a body, a decomposing, dismembered
corpse in a bag found in the front the front
trunk of a twenty twenty three Tesla Model Y and
the story begins to break there because that's just not
(03:30):
a normal occurrence. And second of all, it was not
only just Tesla, it was an abandoned Tesla. So the
coverage starts there, so immediately who owned the car? I mean,
you've got an abandoned Tesla. It's a high end model
that doesn't these cars don't just get abandoned in the
Hollywood Hills, and it gets abandoned in a neighborhood where
(03:53):
there's homes that rent for twenty thousand dollars a pop
a month.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You have this. What's so weird about this, Dave, is
that you've literally got, as you mentioned, a high end
car that is a very Tesla is unlike anything else,
are a very personal car, you know. It's it's not
like something we can go down and buy some rattle trap,
you know, down and used car lot. This is something
(04:17):
that's very specific to people, you know, with biometrics and
everything else. And to abandon a car. Oh, we forgot
to mention this with Texas plates. By the way, that's
banged up, it's dirty, and you've got houses through that
area that rent for thousands and thousands of dollars per month.
It's going to get noticed, and that's you know, going back,
(04:39):
that's one of the weird things.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
That's where it all picks up. That's why I said
we're starting in the middle, because the story begins with
the finding of a body in a car again a
Tesla that has been impounded because it was labeled abandon
So you've got so many weird things already beginning right there,
abandoned tesla in the Hollywood Hills, right in front of
(05:03):
a house that rents for twenty thousand dollars a month. Yeah,
this is too much. So that's where we start now.
We started coverage on this story because the vehicle with
the Texas plates, dirty with dents that was left abandoned
actually was registered to a young man, a twenty year
(05:25):
old man named David Anthony Burke, who goes by then.
He's an up and coming singer. He's had a number
of hits. He has even had a song that has
been heard over it has been downloaded or no has
been heard I think a billion times. It's one of
those things, a billion. Yeah, he's actually in that. He's
(05:45):
a new artist, a new star. David Anthony Burke goes
by the made up name of D four VD it's
pronounced David, but the letter D, the number four, and
the letter VD okay, pronounced david. But for all intents
and purposes, don't like to call a suspect or somebody
(06:09):
like that by their first name. Easier to just refer
to him as Burke because I don't want to call
him D four V D. I mean, it sounds like
it just sounds like a newly formed sexually transmitted disease.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh yeah, he's.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Got D four VD.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah kind of yeah, it's kind of a.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, much worse than D two or D three. It's
D four B D yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, there you go, And what a what a bizarre
you know, And there's all these kind of bizarre nomenclatures
like that, you know, that are out there, and you
know it's an old guy. I can't make sense of it.
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
The artist formerly known as Prince.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But the thing is, he's got a name. And the
reason the story catches wind is because it's a tesla.
It's looking like it's abandoned. It's tied to these Texas
plates registered to the new artist, who, by the way,
the reason he's not there, he's on his first world
tour promoting his first full length album called WITHERD and
(07:12):
he's on He's that's what he's doing when this body
is found in his car. Now, I want to point
something out D four VD. Mister Burke did not make
a public announcement. What the heck was my car doing
on the street abandoned? Why didn't my agent, manager or
somebody in my inner circle take care of this vehicle?
(07:34):
Who's the person found? He didn't say anything, Joe, he
said nothing. Now, if I'm gonna be honest, if somebody
found a dead body in your car, you're at the
beach on vacation, okay, and it's in Jacksonville, Alabama, right
there off campus, and somebody finds a dead body in
(07:55):
your car, are you not going to have an announcement?
I feel so bad for the family. How did this happen?
Who had my car? I mean, you'd be freaking out,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, I'm going to be looking for a microphone to
get in front of because you and I are are
advocates for the dead and families. I want to look
if my property is involved in it some way. I
want to get answers answers for that family that had
been impacted by this. Yeah, you know, it's like one
(08:24):
of these things you want to go up on the
rooftop and shout it from there. You know, not my innocence,
but it's like, let's get answers to find out what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Because you would be innocent, Joe, you would be coming
in from somebody stuffed a dead body in my car
and left my car on the street while I'm out
of town on this first world tour. Come on the
thing is the owner of that vehicle still hasn't said anything. No, so, yeah,
they don't identify the body right away, but tell me
(08:54):
Joseph's goot, Morgan the car who was impounded, it had
the pound the car, meaning it's it's towed because it
had been marked a couple of times in the neighborhood.
A neighbor reports it, we got this dingy car, you know,
a dirty is sitting here for you know, weeks. Finally
the cops come out. They mark it on one day,
they come back because you have a certain number of
(09:15):
days to move your car, and they marked the wheels,
and when it hadn't been moved, they called the tow truck,
and they impounded the vehicle. They didn't have toe it
far from where they got it. They take it to
an impound lot. The next day after it arrives. The stench,
the smell, actually not the next day, it was three days.
(09:35):
It came into the September fifth, September seventh, or eight.
They actually start smelling something, and the guys on the lot,
you know, hey, where's the smell coming from. It's coming
from that tesla. Call the cops. Something's in there now, Joe,
You've had many people say to you and publicly that
a dead body has a very specific smell. You do
(09:57):
not forget. Is that true?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah? It does, and you have to contextualize it at
that moment, Tom, because I've got to tell you for
me personally, if if I were to just blindly be
taken to a field, okay, and maybe behind just a wall, okay,
in a field, and I've got a decomposing human, a
(10:24):
decomposing cow, and a decomposing deer, all right, I cannot
stand there and differentiate between the smells. And let's say
there's some distance apart where I would have to walk
up to that area. You could blindfold me or whatever
I'm going to walk in between them. It's not discernible
even for me, even though I've been around decomposing bodies
(10:48):
most of my life adult life, and I'd say probably
close to probably about thirty thirty percent of the body
that I handled in the field where at least to
some degree decomposed. Some would be more advanced than others.
So you know, it's just it's not something you can
(11:11):
necessarily discern. What you can discern, is it something's wrong
that you have this stench that's in the air. Here's
another thing. That's one of the reasons you wind up
with an infestation of flies, right Because I know this
sounds very callous, but the idea is that when the
(11:32):
smell begins to leach out into the air, it's like
ringing a dinner bell for nature. You know, nature does
not discriminate in this area. As a matter of fact,
they're not put off by it. There's huge groups of
animals within the animal kingdom that are drawn to it,
particularly scavengers, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But in the city street in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Hill, Yeah, that's an intest point because you know, the
one thing that you know about these people out in
la they're a different breed and you start to get
into the thin air financially. You know, with these kind
of people, one thing they do love is their doggies,
and they love to take these doggies on walks. And
(12:16):
I'm just imagining that's That's one of the curious things
about this, David. You know, if you've got the local
residents that are walking walking by this area, why why
is the why are they not picking up on the
stension there?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
How long does it take?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, you have to be very specific about the location because,
as you and I have discussed extensively, you know, environment's
going to dictate everything. And here's the thing, Dave. On record,
this was one of the hottest periods certainly of this
past year. And if I remember correctly, I heard somebody
at some point time, and don't ask me for the day,
(12:56):
I can't remember if you looked at thisarticular time. I
think the body was discovered in August of twenty twenty five,
if I'm not mistaken, September, September, I'm sorry. Yeah, Well,
so to get their number right, yeah, yeah, please go ahead,
that's very important.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, And that's why I'm wondering, because the body or
the car is marked and impounded and towed away on
September the fifth. On September the eighth, three days on
the lot. Police are called because there is a horrible
smell coming from the cars, so it hit. That's why
(13:33):
I was wondering why I meant.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I've got to I've got an answer for this.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
As a cop was marking it a couple of days
in the streets.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Just let me jump right in here, peez on this once.
This car, this vehicle, all right, is in motion and
it has been and I'm not sure if they hooked
it up to a tow truck or if they flatbeded
the thing. Okay, either way, there is going to be
Joscelyn that's going on. And hold on to your hat here,
because this is this is particularly disgusting. Okay, back to
(14:10):
my point, this time of year. I'm not saying it's
set records, but if over a ten year period, this
particular marker in time when the body was found was
one of the hottest times on record in La over
like this past ten years, it was you know, in
the top you know, three or whatever. Heat speeds things
up and it really makes things degrade. If the body
(14:34):
contained within this car we're in bags, a bag in bags.
Guess what's building up in the bag? Day fluid. So
when you you winch a car up onto up onto
a flatbed, or even more so, if you hook one
(14:54):
of these, you know, record things up underneath it. Forgive me,
I don't. I'm not a record professional. I can't remember
the name of the apparatus. I like to watch them work.
It's kind of cool. I've got enough little boy in
me to still be fascinated by. As you're jostling down
the road, you can rupture those bags. And if you
rupture those bags, that fluid will begin to seep, and
(15:20):
it can be and again, not knowing about the surface
area perfectly, I think that there's a lot of plastic
in there. But even in plastic areas, let's say that
it's lined out in the tesla, you're going to get
this see pitch. As it begins to seep. Not only
is the liquid going to leach out, but smell is
going to leach out, and you go longer and longer
in three days out there. And this would be a
(15:45):
newer area they're probably putting. I say newer, it would
have to be an empty space, right, So a previously
occupied space. Maybe it's distal you first off. You know,
after three days, finally somebody walks by this thing and
they're like, oh my lord, what in the world is this?
And this lot has to be visited by cops on
a regular basis because I think that they they're probably
(16:07):
contracted by LAPD or their traffic division or whoever to
take care of abandoned vehicles. And you know, there's going
to be criminal charges that are associated with this as
far as like ticketing and all that kind of stuff
that people have to go through. If somebody is walking
by and they catch a whiff of this scene, brother,
it's going to knock you to your knees. I mean
(16:28):
it will, particularly for civilians that are not used to it.
But even for me, as callous as I am to
these sorts of things, it's going to get my attention.
As a matter of fact. You know, I might not
say there's a dead body in the car, but what
I will say is you've got some something in there
that is decomposing. And I don't think it's like chicken
(16:51):
that you've forgotten that you picked up at the grocery
store and just left in there. And I think all
of us have experienced that unfortunate circumstance. You know, you
have something in the car, fell out of a bag
and it begins to rote. I can tell you this,
a deceased animal human that is rotting. Is if you
think bad chicken is bad that's rolled under your seat
(17:14):
or whatever. Ain't got nothing on dead body, all right,
or any other kind of dead animal. It trumps that.
But my lord, when they finally called the cops out there, Dave,
and they cracked this thing open. And here's another thing.
I'm really fascinated by the mechanism with the Tesla. And
I know this seems very passe, if you will, I'm
(17:36):
just fascinated, not knowing enough about Tesla's How do you
disengage the front lock on the thing? How do you
get this thing open? Is there some way you can
bypass the electrical system? Do they get a pry bar out?
I have no idea. I wish somebody would educate me
about this, because you know, inquiring minds want to know.
(17:58):
But I know this, when they got into that trunk,
I can almost guarantee you that what they saw may
have been the consistency a soup. Dave mc brother I
(18:29):
tell you, if I've got a car with a rotting
human remain in it, I think my big question is
from the beginning, is not necessarily who the person is
from Jump Street that's decomposed of the car. I think
(18:50):
one of my of the big questions is who owns
this car? You know, who's honey is in that seat
behind the wheel, who's the person that has the papers
on the car? Because I think that that's you know
that that's a big mystery because and again going back
to this the uniqueness of a Tesla. Remember you said
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early on that the Tesla is one of the things.
I wonder if they had said, let's just say they
said Chevy and Palla, right, you think that we would
be as intrigued right now if as opposed to Tesla.
There's something about it because there's this like and it's
a principle in forensics, it's individualization. Who's the car belonged to?
(19:35):
And why on this street?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Why is there a dead body in it?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
You know?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
So now let's start with the car, because the thing
that really got a lot of attention, of course, was
you mentioned it is a Tesla. It's a twenty twenty
three model line and first things first, it's an expensive
car and it's being told because it's abandoned. Okay, you've
got an abandoned Hesla in the Hollywood Hills that immediately
(20:04):
is starting the discussion what kind of person leaves an
abandoned six figure car? You know that doesn't happen in
our world, right, So who owned? So they you mentioned
early on Texas license plate, so we know that they
start digging into who owns this car. Well, it's registered
(20:25):
to David Anthony Burke, the artist known as D four VD,
and is registered in Texas because that's where he's from.
So we got that identity set. We now know who
owns the vehicle. But it was called abandoned Joe. It
had been in the same area for some time, and
(20:47):
we know that the vehicle wasn't parked and left in
the same spot for months on end. It was parked
in several different spots around pretty much around this one
big mansion now houses in the Hollywood Hills, calling them mansions.
It's it's kind of a common thing. This is a
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house that rented for twenty thousand dollars a month. And
when you looked at where this car had been parked.
It wasn't. The place where it was actually towed from
was merely the last place that it had been moved,
but it had been reported by neighbors in other areas
along Bluebird Lane over the course of weeks. What we
(21:32):
have been able to find out is that the car
was moved several times until it stopped moving on July
twenty ninth. So from July twenty nine to August twenty six,
this car does not move, and somebody living in this
expensive neighborhood says, this car has not moved. It's dirty,
(21:55):
it's got dense. I don't want this in my hood, man,
get it out of here. It doesn't one of these
things doesn't belong here. One of these things just doesn't belong.
Get that car off Sesame Street. So the cops come
out and they tag it. They mark, you know, they
tag it, got to move your car, and they mark
the tires. They marked tire placement to know whether it's
(22:15):
been moved or not. And when they come back two
days later, well, it hasn't been moved. So finally they
make the call and have it towed. Now at the
point of being towed. Justine Scott Morgan, the registered owner
of the vehicle, David Anthony Burke. He has been living
in a house right there when I'm pointing, because it's
(22:38):
that close to the house that he was renting for
twenty thousand dollars a month. But I want to be
clear here. It is a home that was rented by
David Anthony Burke's manager. The manager rented it for David
Burke to live in and his small little crew of friends.
So Burke is residing in this house, and it's a
(22:58):
car registered to him that had been moved several times
in the neighborhood until it stopped moving on July twenty ninth.
Now it was last move that day, and there is
video surveillance footage showing the car moving to that spot
and never moving again. July twenty ninth is the day
(23:21):
that David Anthony Burke began his world tour for the
Withered album, and he was in San Francisco that night.
So we have an identity surrounding the vehicle, the time
it's last moved and the time that it's picked up
by cops. So whatever happened to it before July twenty ninth,
it was moved in several parts along the street. But
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now it goes back to Joe. They know that whatever
was in the car July twenty ninth remained in the
car until police uncovered. You know, we're called to the
lot and the only thing we know is is registered
to Burke. He was living in that house and now
there's a dead body in it. And by the way,
even though we have identify that he's the owner, that
he's on this world tour, he still has not made
(24:04):
a public announcement about a body being found in a
car registered to him.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You know, there's so many questions because once you get
into the car itself and you crack that trunk and
you visualize all that remains in there, you know, you
begin to ask questions. First off, let's just say, hypothetically,
(24:32):
if you had somebody, you had somebody that crawls inside
of a trunk and closes it behind themselves. Okay, is
it plausible somebody could die inside of a trunk after
doing that? Well, yeah, to the fifth power, yeah it
could happen. It has happened over the years. You've got
a confined space, you might have limited oxygen, it might
(24:57):
be insufficient for life. You could have somebody that would
heat stroking there. Okay, that has hyperthermia. You could certainly
have somebody that could be banging on this thing and
no one ever comes to your rescue. How horrible would
that be? They're dehydrating. But here's here's the bigger question.
If you have a person that does that, they're not
(25:20):
going to be bagged. Okay, that's just yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I didn't crawl in a bag and seal myself in it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, And so you have to think about somebody facilitated that.
You know, that's that would be if you would think
that somebody would do that, that would be so far
outside the norm. And yes, in fact, we do have
a norm that we go by in forensics. There is
a baseline, you know, of what would be normal behavior
(25:52):
in very abnormal circumstances. Placing your own self into a
bag is not normal, all right, So we begin to thinking,
we hear initially, we're hearing you know that when the
body is recovered, and we've never been able to We've
never truly been able to validate this statement. And this
(26:14):
is important here for everybody concerned. We don't know what
the status of the body is because we've heard several
several things where let's say unidentified sources that the police
department have said that the body is is in fact
has been dismembered, and just just to dismember a body.
(26:36):
The process of dismemberment is an action word. Okay. That
means that if you're saying that, if you're if you're
an authority, and you're saying that a dismemberment has actually
taken place, that means that somebody put cold steel to
the body. Okay, because bodies don't just of their own
(26:57):
volition fall apart like that. That's a very specific identifier.
So I think that it's really key here to begin
to try to understand what the status of the body
is that's in a bag. So my question, I think
my big question is when you observe the body. I
(27:20):
had a kid say the other day, how do I
actualize this? I'd never I think I've heard that term before.
And actualize it's kind of a fancy way of saying
looking at something or examining something without saying examining something.
So if you're actualizing the body, you have to think,
if we're talking about a process of dismemberment, brother, we
(27:44):
know that it didn't take place in a Tesla Fronk
that points us somewhere else. So when we begin to
put two and two together, this seems rather simplistic, but
you have to as you said, we're starting in the middle.
We kind of have to work backwards and then go forwards.
The police at this point in time, if you've got
somebody's domicile in this area they belong to the car,
(28:06):
you're left with no other choice. At that point, you're
going to have to explore where the individual's domicile day.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
But they got to identify the person first. And now
let me ask you this, because we have heard severely
decomposing body, yeah, dismembered if a body. Let's just let
me let me play this. Let's say that this person
dies in their sleep of sleep apneon, the heart stops
(28:38):
and they and friends find her dead body the next morning.
They didn't, but they're panicked because they don't know what
to do. They're afraid they'll be accused of something, and
so they know they didn't kill her, but they don't
know what to do. So they put her in a
bag and just put her in the trunk until I
figure out what to do, you know, And as the
days go on, at out of side, out of mind. Hey, yeah,
(29:00):
I better move the car and people are going to
get tired of it. Movie again, and then hey, I
can get out of town. I got to do this
concert tour. Well, don't worry about we'll take care of
this when we get back, all right. Is it possible
that it be that a decomposing body, a dead body
placed in a bag as it decomposes, could it disarticulate
on its own and appear to be dismembered when it's not,
(29:23):
when it's not been dismembered.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Excellent question. Uh, And that's going to take some tom
It's going to take some time for this so called disarticulation.
This natural disarticulation take place a protracted period of time.
As a matter of fact. That's why I go back
and when I'm thinking dismemberment and saying that that's an
(29:45):
action word, that's a process that you have to go
through to segment the body, and bodies can in fact
fall apart. I've seen it happen. I've actually had bodies
on scenes and this happens a lot. I've had desks
over the years in bathtubs where there was bath water
(30:08):
drawn and a person has a heart attacking about them
for some reason. It's happened to me a lot two
things here. When you grab a wet body like that,
many times you don't realize how much pounds of force
you're placing to the skin is very fragile. It will
literally collapse the skin as you grip it your hand,
(30:30):
as you grip it to pull, the body will actually
the skin will cave in. If you will, it'll you'll
create kind of a depressed laceration in that space where
you press down. And I've actually driven my fingers, not
intentionally driven my fingers all the way to the bony,
the bony surfaces below. It's that fragile. And yes, I
(30:53):
have had bodies where I have begun and I'm trying
to be careful because these bodies are very fragile when
I'm pulling them. I've literally had hands become detached at
the wrist, the elbow, and the shoulder on different different events.
And I could feel with the shoulder it's this. Your
shoulder is very complex in the structure itself. Just asking
(31:15):
any you know orthopedic surgeon, very complex to get this
thing to disarticulate of its own. It's kind of a chore,
but it can in fact pull apart. Now I've never
had a leg come apart like that. But what we're
talking about here is you're observing the body, you know,
(31:36):
actualizing the body in certain laughter, laugh track.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Just that Why if you end up taking Professor Joe
Scott Morgan's class at Jacksonville State University used real words,
don't make up something to make yourself sound smart. He's
already been there, done.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
No.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I love language, but that's my new word. I know
you love language, but it's like I do, okay looking
at something or actualizing it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So you're pulling this, you know you're pulling, you're pulling
this apart. Well, how long would it take to happen
on its own? I think that it would. It would
take a protracted period of time. And here's and again
my my supposition here is when you open the trunk,
whoever first laid eyes on this, when you open the trunk,
(32:24):
was a body in pieces? Was it in pieces? I mean,
obviously we can say that the body is decomposing. Smell
is going to you know, it's like the mood the
song Thriller. You remember Vincent Price that's doing the voice
over and he says the funk of forty thousand years.
You know, it's like it's that that smell. It comes
(32:44):
out in a wave and it hits you in the face.
You think it smells bad outside of the trunk, but
when you lift that trunk lit, it's like, oh, I'm
always fascinated when I see that. In the movies, you know,
people come across decomposing and remain and you can see
the reaction of the actors on the face and they
actually do a pretty good job with that. I've had
that happen before, where it's really it seems intense outside
(33:06):
the door or in a closed space. You open up
that closed space and it's like it's a living entity
that's waiting inside of that kind of reaches out at
you and like assault your nose. But again, moving away
from the sense of smell and what you're visualizing, what
exactly did our finder see upon opening that trunk was
(33:31):
the body in pieces because it has fallen apart, and
there are cases where heads actually do come detached from
bodies as a result of having been around. And this
is a protected space, David, It's not like, Okay, yes,
flies can get in there. Yeah, you think that they can't.
(33:51):
They can get in. Trust me. You can have larval
development and all that stuff, even though you think that
it's sealed tight. But the one thing you don't have
is avager activity like with dogs where they're pulling and
dogs will pull it bodies like that and they will,
you know, facilitate the disarticulation. You don't have that here.
(34:12):
So this body, this body again going back to dismemberment,
was it in that state when it was placed in
the trunk? And how many separate containers or bags or
whatever they want to call it? Was it placed in
day David Burke, Well, we've established that he owns the car,
(34:48):
we've established that he's domiciled there in the Hollywood Hills.
The big mystery remains is who is this? And you know,
if you can my I always say if I can,
all investigations begin with identity. If I can find out
(35:09):
who a person is, I can unravel the riddle at
that point in time, because you have starting place. If
I just have an unknown person, it makes it much
more difficult because I know nothing about the history onics
around this, what kind of life was led? I have
no idea. You know, you just come across a body
that's laying out there. But in this case, Dave, they
(35:30):
were in fact able to identify this body. You know,
within what three, no, ten days? It took ten days, right,
ten days, from the moment that we're at the car
park or the inpound lot to the point when they say, okay,
we've got it and it you know, it turns out
to be a very young girl. This is a child,
(35:54):
a very young child, and she's this child has been missing.
It has been missing now for a protracted period of time.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Joe, let me ask you, because when we get the
bags out of the car, the boy that sounds so horrible.
I feel horrible for talking about it like this. But
we don't know who the body is. We know that
it's severely decomposed, and we find out early on dismembered,
and so we don't know everything they saw. We have
to assume some things that they saw. But what do
(36:27):
you do because the body is not you're not taking
it out on the scene and rolling it out there
on the pavement saying what do we have here that
they're going to have to transport whatever they have found,
which again severely decomposed. Course, and you mentioned kind of stewish,
How do you move it? What do we how do
you get it from where you are in the parking
(36:49):
lot in the front of a tesla back to an
actual clean place where you can look at it? And
what are you? Where do you with that?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Because let me tell you, it's not just what is
contained within the bags, it's what's outside of the bags.
Because those bags, if we're talking multiple bags again, they've
been very coy about this whole thing. Dave. I think
you concur with that assassinsolutely. Those bags hold a tremendous
amount of data. And let me tell you what that
(37:19):
data is. So it's not just a matter eh, let's
grab these and kind of throw them in the back
of the van and we're going to run down to
the kind of corners office and work on them. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
that's not what you're gonna do. You're not. First off,
you're not going to open the bags. If you do,
shame on you. And it's I know you want to,
but the assumption is you've got human remains in here. Okay, Now,
(37:44):
I'm sure that probably one of the bags, at least
one was cracked open. And listen, and this is cautionary tail.
Once you have noted that this is a human in here,
I ain't doing nothing else. You do nothing else whatsoever.
(38:05):
You better be kitted up with all of your ppe
everything when you're handling these things. You better be gloved up,
mask up, you better have hairnuts on the whole shebin
those bags because if they're plastic bags. Day, If they're
plastic bags, those are non poor surfaces. Do you realize
(38:28):
how much data we can get off of those and
depend upon the type of bag. Now, I'm not talking
about a bag that got grocery bag that comes from
rauphs okay. I'm talking about you know, like hefty, hefty
cinch sack. Okay, if that's what was used, those non
poor surfaces. You're talking about even latent prints that are
(38:52):
on these things, who had their hands on it? Okay,
because you can actually lift prints off of bags like
this and brother it. Yeah, the heat's going to compromise it,
but you have to act as if those latent prints
are still there. So you have to handle these things
with kid gloves. And also, anytime, and I mean anytime
(39:16):
you begin to work on notts, think about in your mind,
what does it take if I take a plastic bag
holding in my hand and you make bunny years out
of it, and you're going to have to manipulate this
bag over and under, and you're going to tie a
square knot, whatever kind of knot you're comfortable with that
(39:37):
you tie your trash up with. Do you realize how
many motions you have to go through to do that?
And readjustments of your hands? Most people don't. Guess who
else does it? Dave perpetrators. They don't realize all the
points that they're touching on there. And then if you're
talking about human remain, you're going to have to leverage
this thing. So you grab it at the top. You
want to stick your hand up underneath it. You might
(39:58):
even hug it. You're gonna throw your arms around it
like this. I know this sounds absurd, I know, but
as forensics people we think this way. If I'm in
kind of intimate contact with the bag, guess what if
my face is hair suit, I've got beard, hair that's
coming off, I've got skin that's coming off, I've got
(40:19):
hair off of my head that's coming off, and not
to mention everything there on my grimy, grimy hands. So
just the exterior of the bag is like that. So
once you get those bags secured with the remains in them,
there's gonna be a whole team that's going to go
to the medical examiner's office, the corner's office, and brother.
(40:39):
The first thing from Jump Street is they're gonna be photographed.
They're gonna be logged in, but they're gonna be photographed.
And the most important piece to this, You're still not
going to crack them open. You've got to get them
into your radiology suite. And I think Ellie County, I
don't know if they use portable X rays. We always
use portable X rays, and I don't know how extensive
(41:02):
their visualization capabilities are. But if they have their own separate,
let's say X ray or radiology suite, you're going to
get them in there, get them on a table, or
maybe it's just a portable X ray that has to happen.
And Dave. That in and of itself is confusing because
if you've got a dismembered remain, whoever's doing this is
(41:26):
not necessarily following along with some kind of anatomical roadmap. Here.
They're essentially collecting remains as they remove them. And piling
them in bags. I've actually had cases day where I've
had a foot and a hand from opposite size of
the body in one bag. So you got a right
hand and a left foot. Okay, can you imagine how
(41:50):
confusing that is if you X ray that? So what
are we looking for with X ray? Well, the first
thing that's going to come up to mind is anything
that's radio opaque. I want to know. I want to
know if there are any lead core projectiles that are
mixed in with any of these remains, whatsoever. I want
to know if I've got broken broken knife tips in there.
(42:12):
And here's one other thing that people don't think about.
If a body is dismembered, Dave, and you don't know
what you're doing, and most people don't that are dismembering
a body. If you're using some kind of saw, guess
what will happen to the blades on those the fracture
the fracture and you can leave bits of the teeth adjacent,
(42:36):
and this does happen. I've seen skill saw fracture before,
seeing chainsaws come apart. You just you never know. It's
a crapshoot. So you have to prepare for the worst
with this, and all the while, not only are you
trying to not only are you trying to get the
person identified, but brother Dave, you're still trying to come up.
(43:00):
You still you haven't even gotten into the area where
you're trying to determine what the cause of death is.
Because I can tell you thirteen fourteen year old girls
just don't spontaneously fall apart, right die and fall apart
and eat how it works.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Now, when they get to the point where they have
the body out of the car, they've gone and done
the x rays, They've looked at the clothing which they identified,
because they they're the idea of identifying who the corpse,
who this body is. That was again, who was that
that was found in Singer D four v D's car,
(43:37):
you know, And the first thing that was leaked was tattoos,
clothing things like that. And it was interesting that the
family was contacted by TMZ and that's how we found
out a lot of information about how they identified that
the girl in the vehicle. Well, first of all, the
(43:58):
body found in the vehicle is a female and that
this female and I have real trouble with saying fifteen
year old Celeste Reevas, because Celeste Reevas, when they identified
who it was, it was a missing girl. Okay, I'm
a girl who went missing when she's thirteen years old
(44:20):
from Lake Elson, or about seventy miles to the south.
That's when the announcement came out that his concert tour stopped.
He's not performing tonight in Seattle or San Francisco, and
the sponsors started pulling back. The album's not going to
go out. Everything stopped for him right then because they've
identified that the remains found in his car were those
(44:43):
of a missing child, a girl who went missing when
she was thirteen years old. Now we have a lot
more information about Celeste Reevas and D four BD David Burke.
But Joseph Scott Morgan, as you have talked about dismembering
(45:04):
a body. If the body is dismembered inside of a house,
inside of a residence near where the body was found
in the car, would there be enough evidence left behind
that they that police could say this is where it happened.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, even if.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
They cleaned it all up. Let's say we do it
in the bathroom. We do it in the bathtub, and
we cut her up. God, I hate I just said that,
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
But this is bodybags. This is what we do, brother.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
But you know, we've we've had stories. We had a
story in the Northeast where these gross hippies cut up
a person and the reason they got caught is because
then their rented home, if you remember, they cut this
person up in the bathtub, blood and other body things
got clogged. They clogged up their own plumbing in the
house and they left, and you know, the guy that
(45:57):
owned it needs to get it cleaned out to rent
it again. And they find blood, hair and skin in
the tracks, muscle, yeah, and brain dust.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
And this is this is how it works. This is
the hard, cold reality for any of you guys that
you see how Dave's reacting to this. This is what
we face out in the field. This is what these
folks in Ellie County are facing right now because what
happened is so horrific and if in fact she is dismembered,
(46:27):
there will be trace elements. I can tell you whatever
Looney Tune did this, they did not cover their tracks
thoroughly enough, because I think in every single case of
dismemberment that we cover, Dave, there's always something left behind.
And you can't account for it. You know, there's nothing
like this past this. Over the course of the semester,
(46:49):
I've been doing a dissection or remain for my students
at Jacksonville State and it made me very reflective of
a younger at a point when I was much younger
in my life and I was just doing autopsies over
and thousands of them, you know, and suddenly it kind
of sprung back to life. You know, when I'm using
a bone saw and I'm creating that histamine in the
(47:10):
air of the bone dust that you've got blood that
is not necessarily being cast off, but it is there.
It's being deposited in various locations. Most people don't think
about that every time. And you use some kind of
I don't know how to say it. You use some
kind of instrument that is not intended, that is non
(47:33):
surgical instrument. Dude, you're going to capture so much soft
tissue and you're going to drop it. You're gonna have
muscle tissue, You're gonna have skin, you're gonna have hair.
All of this stuff is coming off. Okay, it's got
to go somewhere, And I'm glad you mentioned the tub
because there's been a lot of these cases where tubs
(47:53):
are removed and you go into that drain trap, man,
and the drain trap reveals everything, because there's a reason
it's called a trap, right, you know. And you can look,
you can try to clean out that surface area. You
can pour bleach on it if you want to knock
yourself out. But when we get in that drain trap,
we're going to find evidence that's left behind. So this
(48:17):
is kind of the the area here when you're working
this house. And if I'm not mistaken, they had to
go get They went and got a warrant.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
They did. They got a warrant. The day that the
name came back as a missing girl from Lake Elsinor
police showed up with a search warrant for the address,
a twenty thousand dollars a month home rental home. And
we're going to have to pull up Paul Harvey here.
You mentioned at the beginning that there was too much
(48:45):
information to cover in one so as we have gotten
to the point where she has been identified, they have
all that evidence. Burke is on tour. His tour is canceled.
Cops are at the deck gate. They're coming in to
search his house. Joseph Scott Morgan, you're going to have
to take us from the search warrant to where we
(49:06):
are today in our next episode.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Well, I can tell you we are. We're going to
look at this thing through the lens of a death investigator,
and we're going to work our way through it. I
don't know that we'll necessarily have answers that are going
to satisfy everybody, but I think that we've gotten more
information now than we started with weeks and weeks ago.
(49:33):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Bugs
Host
Joseph Scott Morgan
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