June 27, 2024 • 42 mins
Wade Wilson, not the superhero better known as "Deadpool" but Wade Wilson, Tattoo Face Killer. If Wilson has a favorite song it is probably "Folsom Prison Blues" by Johnny Cash for the line "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die". For Tattoo Face Wade Wilson, using a gun to kill someone is too impersonal. In this episode of Body Bags, Joseph Scott Morgan will explain just how personal it is to strangle the life out of someone with bare hands, and Dave Mack will go behind the tattoos and headlines to find out more about the victims of the vile creature capable of killing two women in a matter of hours, just because he can. Assistant State Attorney Andreas Gardiner in closing argument in murder trial of Wade Wilson: "This case was about killing for the sake of killing. Strangulation is the epitome of life slipping through someone's hands."
Transcribe Highlights
00:39.32 Introduction of a nightmare
05:03.44 Discussion of Wade Wilson, tattoo face
10:24.32 Talk about Wilson claiming to be a victim
15:00.63 Discussion about how Wade Wilson got invited back to woman's home
20:23.78 Discussion about destroying a person for no reason
25:52.10 Talk about isn't it enough?
29:33.42 Discussion about Wilson leaves Melton's home in her car
33:49.88 Discussion of Diane Ruiz body damage, injuries and animals
38:23.24.Discussion Wilson tells Bio Father what he has done
42:13.10 Conclusion - Wade Wilson, Florida Justice
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body dies with Joseph's gotten more. When I was a
little boy, very little, I lived in this kind of
old ramshackled house that my great grandfather had built. It
had been a stonemason. The floors were all poured concrete,
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smooth and cold under your feet. In my bedroom was
immediately adjacent to my mama's room. Everything creaked in that house.
And when I was little, I had an issue with nightmares,
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and there was one nightmare that was repeated. I don't
know if any of y'all have these that kind of
reoccur over and over in your mind. When I was little,
there was a nightmare that I would have that involved,
of all things, the legs of the wicked Witch of
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the East, not the West. Do you remember those legs
from the Wizard of Oz. They're sticking out from beneath
Dorothy's house that landed on her, the striped stockings, the
red shoes. And my nightmare involved those legs hanging from
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the ceiling and the room would spin and they would
just dangle over me. When I was little, and it
still at the age that I am now, those memories
still inhabit my thoughts. Today. We're going to talk about
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some cases that involved something else that seems like it's
made up. It seems like maybe it's cartoonish, But the
reality is this, The person behind this evil may appear
like an arch villain in some kind of superhero comic,
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but let me assure you he's real and his name
is Wade Wilson. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is
bodybacks brother, Dave. I guess it was probably, I don't know,
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a week and a half ago, two weeks ago, I
sent you an image and I told you at the
time I asked you, I said, this person look like
look like a character from the Batman.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Universe, the Joker from Batman. Yeah, yeah, the Joker. You
know who else I thought about? Actually, I thought about
Tommy Lee Jones as two Face as well, because I
got to tell you when when I saw these images,
I'm thinking, first off, what were you thinking, you know,
when you disfigure yourself like this? Because this individual has
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got these he's being referred to as the tattoo Face.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Guy, Wade Wilson Tattoo Face because Wade Wilson sounds like
a made up name. It sounds like something out of
Marvel comics. You know Bruce Banner, Well it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Hey, look, actually, Wade Wilson is Deadpool's name in the
Marvel in the Marvel universe. So yeah, I mean, we've
got I don't know what, what did the fancy academic
types say, we've got synergy here?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh? Wow?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And yeah, and it goes to a level of evil
that is inexplicable. Maybe on one level, it's absolutely terrifying
when you see this guy. And that's why I started
out talking about my memories as a child, because I
can't even imagine, first off, sitting across the table from
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this guy having a cup of coffee, much less if
you're some kind of young child or person that's in
an intimate position, maybe he's tucking you into bed and
this guy is leaning over you. Can you imagine.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Worst night mare? The thing is is you have to think,
and I do. I think, what made you think this
was a good idea? Look, Mike Tyson gets the tattoo
on his face. He can do that because anybody looks
at him sideways either loses an ear or their face.
One of the two is gone because he's Mike Tyson.
But for the rest of us, no, you know, when
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you at a certain point in time, tattoos to lose
their coolness when you've got weird stuff going on, and
Wade Wilson has weird stuff going on. It's so weird.
In fact, this is a guy who is accused of
committing too heinous murders back to back. Depending on who's
writing the story, it either happened in a matter of
hours or a matter of days'ling. I'm boggled by that.
(05:19):
How do reporters get it so wrong?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know. I don't know if they're getting you know,
sometimes sometimes I think that given the energy surrounding cases,
it's almost as if people get into a feeding frenzy. Yeah,
you know, like if you've ever seen you don't have
to see sharks to see a feeding frenzy. I've been
fishing out in the Gulf and you know, catching redfish before,
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and they get into a feeding frenzy. Everybody's going to
idea you're you know, you're you're disoriented, you don't know
what's going on, You're not oriented to the location you're in.
And because I think, first off, you talk about from
a journalist standpoint, these cases have everything that I think
somebody in the news media is looking for. You've got
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this oddball guy who is just uber violent and seems
like he is out of control. And it's the stuff
that it's the stuff that nightmares truly. I mean, I'm
guilty of it. I just made a comment about it,
the stuff that nightmares are made of.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And David Joe, if you're going to put tattoos on
your face that are menacing, that are okay, you put
a swashtika on your face, it tells me a lot
of things about you as a person, and none of
them are good. So if you're going to be tried,
which he has, and that's why we're talking about Wade Wilson,
accused of killing two women, and he goes to trial,
and what is one of the first things his defense
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wants to do. They want him to be able to
cover up these tattoos on his face because the imagery
for the jury might be too much. And I'm thinking, yeah,
you're the one that did this exactly how No, I
don't think you get to hide those because they tell
us a lot about who you are, and uh, you know,
but that's just me. They did give him permission because
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our system of justice leans heavily towards the accused, which
if you're wrongly accused, you can appreciate that. But if
if you're a murderer, I don't think you get that.
You know, I want to play. I want to play
not nice. I say, no, you killed these people. I
know we're going to trial. But you did it. We
know you did it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know well you know on that on that point,
you know you you were so willing and uh on
the outside you to get it done and not just
getting paid to get, not just paying to get. You're
embracing it, man, you know you're projecting this thing out there. Hey,
go all in, dude, just embrace it. This is who
you are. This is who you are. And I got
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to tell you, you know, watching the trial as I have,
he's he's devoid of like any kind of emotion about it.
He's very cold, calculating and one of the one of
the fascinating things about this whole thing is just hold
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on to your hat here for a second. All right.
He's claiming that both of these victims, he's being set up.
He was being set up by a human trafficking ring,
which he states he was a part of. So you're
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going to go there. So yeah, let's let's just further,
you know, go down the spectrum. So you're you claim
that you're involved in human trafficking, and that's your that's
one of the albis that you're and that you're being
framed for doing this. You know, I don't know. I
you know, I think about the scales of justice in
my mind and it doesn't have anything to do with justice.
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It's like on balance, you're thinking, Okay, now do I
want to go down this dark path of human trafficking
in order to escape? Escape? Now he's in Florida. They've
kind of got an express laying down there compared to
all other sites relative to the death penalty. You're talking
about it. You're talking about two homicides and he's got
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an agg assault on him as well and his girlfriend.
So you're going, you your choice is to go with
the human trafficking thing in your frame, you know, is
that what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's it? It was? You know, do you remember the
murder of Molly Tibbets. Yes, Molly Tibbets, college girl twenty
years old Brooklyn I of Iowa. And she goes out
for a run and while she's on this run. She
is attacked by an illegal immigrant and he kills her,
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but he says he does he blacked out. The whole
blackout thing gets me on a lot of these guys
who admit. And the reason I'm sharing this with you
very quickly is because he made the same claim that
he was a victim, that these human traffickers had kidnapped
him and forced him to drive his own car to
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get Molly Tibbitts so they could traffic her, and that
he was made to do all this by these traffickers.
That was his excuse. So it's not like Wade Wilson,
the tattoo face guy, even came up with an original
lie to tell you know, he copied Molly Tibbitts guy.
That's because it's pretty much the same thing. I'm the victim.
I was kidnapped, I was threatened, I was beaten to
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do this to somebody else. But getting into the reality here,
we've got Wade Wilson, tattoo Face, accused of murdering two women,
and for no reason, by the way, not any reason,
like there's never a reason to kill somebody, but I'm
talking about it wasn't in the commission of a crime.
It wasn't where he was defending himself or them. It
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wasn't in a gunfight of the Ok Corral or a
car wreck. This was Wade Wilson, tattoo face, meeting a
woman in a bar and striking up a conversation that
becomes very friendly. And you know, there are times we
make bad decisions in our life, and we all have
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been victimized or not victimized. We have all created bad
situations for ourselves by making bad decisions.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, absolutely, And what.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Wade Wilson did that night was take advantage of somebody
else who needed a companion, looking for help emotionally, just
looking for a shoulder to cry on, looking for somebody
to talk to, somebody to come. You know, we're a
lonely group of people. We are the United States of
America in general, very lonely people. We have way too
much stuff, We have way too much entertainment, We have
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way too many things that our brains are constantly being
fed information, entertainment, and sometimes that leaves us vulnerable because
we crave companionship with one on one person so much
so that we forget, you know, because we could go
days Joe with never actually seeing anybody face to face,
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you know, through text, email, phone, we really can and
eventually your body cries out for this. I got to
have human contact, and sometimes you reach out for the
wrong person. And in this particular case, Wade Wilson was
that wrong person.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, he was, and an interesting Dave, almost chameleon like.
We talk about this connection that we want, perhaps and
it makes us vulnerable. But in this particular case, we've
got a guide that is camouflaged with these kind of
horrific images on his face. But yet what lie just
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beneath the surface of his skin is far more evil
than anything that was displayed externally. Dave, you had mentioned
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just a moment ago swastikas on the face.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Just below his right eye talking about Wade Wilson.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, Wade Wilson actually does have a small swastika beneath
the right eye. It's uh, it's about I don't know.
I'd just make probably about an inch and a half.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
You see a person like this like Wade Wilson, with
the tattoos and some objectionable tattoos, there's no real excuse
for a swastika on your face. Okay, how are you
going to explain that I used to be stupid and
now I'm not. You know, because if that's the case,
then why don't you do something to make it look different?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And short of that, I'm sorry, I'm not sitting with you.
You know, I'm not thought why would I want to
r right? Anyway? But somehow he's able to play that,
and he's able to get the attention of Stein Melton.
He starts with her. She's thirty five, beautiful woman. She's
having a couple of drinks, having an adult beverage or two,
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and strikes up a conversation with this guy who seems
pleasant enough. Maybe that's the thing. The tattoos are off putting.
And then you find out, wait a minute, this guy
actually communicates like a regular person. All of a sudden,
you know, now it's interesting, why do you have that?
And so they strike up a conversation, have a couple
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more drinks. One thing leads to another, and somehow he
is able and I believe he's a master manipulator. Wade
Wilson is able to manipulate Christine Melton into allowing him
into her home. It could have been let's just finish
the conversation, like to get to know you better, you know,
have a cup of coffee. Could have been that simple.
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Didn't end up that way, but he did meet her
in a bar and then went back to her place.
All of that willingly from what we have been told
that Christine Melton went and invited him back to her place.
What happened to her is the beginning of their twenty
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four hour period of crime that is still hurting people
to this day and.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
It will for years and years to come. You know,
we see this a lot in these cases where you know,
I've used the analogy of throwing you know, throwing a
rock into this beautiful kind of placid pond, and those
waves that go out from that disruption wind up like this.
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This guy is in fact the stuff of nightmares. And
here's the thing about it, the methodology. I think that
he is using to allure, because this is a case
of luring. And I think that this comes down to
his if he you know, and I've thought about this,
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could he have used this self induced disfigurement in order
to try to tell some kind of sad story, you know,
because how else could you explain it? How use could
you use this to your advantage with somebody that might
be vulnerable, to get them in, to have them take
a bite of the apple, if you will, to get
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in their space. And that's an absolutely horrifying because that's
the only way that this could really ever be explained.
And so what we know is that when he got
back to her apartment, there was an intimate interval. We
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do know that, and for whatever reason, and we don't
know what kind of flip the switch. I don't know
that we ever do Dave, in any of these cases,
what kind of flip the switch for this guy to
become and react so violently When you begin to think
about Christine Melton.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I tend to think sometimes, Joe, that you and I
come at it, and most of us, we come at
it from a rational standpoint of how we process information,
how we react to things, and we try to fit
the criminal or the crime into our understanding. Yes, but
the criminal or the crime in these cases, they're not
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something that you and I can act or most of
us could even imagine. It's kind of like, who would
go with Charles Manson anywhere? He's a short, stinky, bearded,
thirty eight year old dude out of prison kind of thing. Well,
a lot of people did same thing here with tattoof face.
Wade Wilson. Somehow he's able to get Christine Melton. They
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go back to her place, and the next morning when
they're up, he for whatever reason, strangles her. He kills
Christine Melton for no reason, apparently, just that he wanted
to kill somebody, which takes us back to the Johnny
Cash song. I shot him in in Reno just to
watch him die. I hate to think that that's what
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Wade Wilson did that. He just said, I want to
know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, I think you've I think you have kind of
reinforced what the state Attorney General said in this particular case,
because he's he is. In the closing arguments in Wade
Wilson's case. The state Attorney General said that this case
was about now just hanging on, just let this kind
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of bore down into your soul. It's a case about
killing for the sake of killing, Dave, you know who
who who does that? Who would want to do that?
But yet we have examples of this, you know throughout
history of people that go out killing for the sake
of killing. You and I had a conversation off air
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just a few minutes ago where we you know, I
actually stated to you that there's nothing new under the sun.
You know, it goes back forever and ever. But I
think that when we see someone that would be willing
to go back to a total stranger's house, engage in
intimate relations with them, and then, oh, it's kind of
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an afterthought, let me see if I can't extinguish this life.
You know, as he wraps his hands around her throat,
you know, you're you're left and I think that, you know,
that's what with this particular kind of case, this is
the type of thing that makes it even more horrific
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because it's so randomized. Dave. You know, you're you're thinking
it's you know, you had you had mentioned about trying
to defend oneself against some kind of incoming violence or
something like that. That's not what this is about. This
is you know, this is like going out and destroying
a beautiful work of art just because you choose to
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do it, or just burning down someone's home because you're
fascinated by fire, or you know, just going around and
making other people's lives miserable. And again, this goes back
to the idea that the misery that he has inflicted
on both of these women is going to continue for
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years and years to come.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Dave, when you've mentioned it that Wade Wilson, Tattoo Face
and Christine Melton meet at a bar, have a few drinks,
they go back to her place where they engage in
sexual relations. Wade Wilson then after having this very intimate
personal act with Christine Melton. Then, from what you've described
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many times about strangling somebody with your hands, it is
the most personal type of murder. Yes, there is. How
long does somebody have to have their hands around another
human being to strangle the life out of them?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, it doesn't when you're and this guy's a big guy, Dave.
When you see him, he's robust. He looks like he
spends time on the wait bench. Not that that necessarily
means that you're going to be like Hercules or anything.
But when you take his size and you compare it
to a woman of Christine's stature, she's not necessarily fragile,
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but she is certainly not to his level of strength.
And also you have to incorporate this kind of primal
thing that has arisen in him, because you know you've
got and I think that all of this violence is
sexual violence. That's what I think that it is. It's
the driver behind it because, like you had stated and
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I previously stated, this is the most intimate of all
of these kind of causes of death. The mechanism of death,
if you will, this asphyxia by strangulation. As he is
wrapping his hands around her neck, he's constricting the airway
and in addition to that, he's constricting the vessels that
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are running alongside of the airway as well. Now here's
what I'm really kind of wondering, did he ever adjust
his hands and move from the original position, Because if
you have that going on, and keep in mind, when
you have two individuals that are locked in this kind
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of violence with one another, and you have this asymmetrical
relationship where you've got this dominant individual over her, he
has the ability to And I've worked a series of
serial killings actually, Dave that involved a garath where a
guy would uh wrap it around ladies throats as he's
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sexually assaulting her and uh, you know, tighten it down,
then release, tighten, release, and they will allow them to
regain their breath just for a moment, and it increases, Uh,
the horror factor here because they're allowed to breathe again,
and then it's it's they're robbed of it again. So
I think that in this dominant position, you have the
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ability to do it. He's he's enjoying this. He truly is.
And I don't want to get too far off into
the kind of psycho uh you know, uh analysis here
and all of the profiling types of stuff that go
on with this, but you can see evidence of this
many times, uh the level of violence. There'll also be
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blunt force trauma many times associated with this because as
you're in a dominant position over them, you can rain
down multiple stripes on an individual their face. So you'll
see this level of kind of disfigurement that takes place,
broken nose, blackened eyes, You'll get these raccoon eyes and
these individuals. Because then that gives you an indication that
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the that the facial the bony structures of the face
have been have been damaged and fractured as well. That
also gives you an idea with the swelling. Dave and
you know this having these conversations with me, that the
person lived, they lived long enough to have an inflammatory
reaction to the strikes. And again that's that is quite revealing.
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But at the end, you know, when you're you're talking
about this poor woman, he's attacking her in her own
home where she generally would feel safe. And of course
when he starts this attack and finishes it, he still
has one more person that he is going to of
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rain tear down the pot. Isn't that enough? In Wade
Wilson's case, apparently it wasn't. That's a question I think
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that most right thinking people might have a desire to ask,
is it wasn't that enough? You've snuffed out the life
of this precious woman, Christine Milton. She's thirty five years old.
You've snuffed her life out. You've come into her own
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little space that she had set up for herself, a
place of safety, and you wreak have it in that environment.
But why wasn't that enough? After you had done brutally
killing her? You move on to a forty three year
old woman, Diane or Ruis.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
But before he does that, Joe he's trying to figure
out what to do. It was not a well thought
out plan. He merely meets Christine Melton, goes back to
her place, spends in this time with her and then
strangles her kills her. He tries to roll her up
in some carpet. He knows he's got to do something,
but he had waited long enough that rigor mortis, roger
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mortis had set in and she was not easy to maneuver.
I saw that, and I thought he talks about like this,
like it's nothing. Joe, Yeah, And that was his first thought,
was rolling her up in carpet. Again, it wasn't enough.
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He was still maybe this is what started him. Maybe
maybe this was this killing was too quiet for him.
Maybe this killing merely just let his whistle, and he
decided it's time for more, because he steals her car
and starts going down the road, leaving her dead body
back in her place. But he takes her car. He's
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going down the road and he sees he sees a
mother of two. She's forty three years old. She's walking,
just walking to work. That's all she's doing. She was
minding her own business, trying to support her family. When
she comes in contact with Wade Wilson tattoo Face, who
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has committed a murder in the previous hours. He asks
her directions, not because he needs to know anything, He
does it because he's going to.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Kill her feeding frenzy.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
He sees her on the side walking and decides, I'm
going to kill her. That switch you said, feeding frenzy,
that switch that got flipped when he killed Christine Melton.
He's got to kill more, and he does. He gets
her in the car Joe. And there's some debate as
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to how he got Diane Ruis in his car. Did
he manipulate her in? Did he offer her a ride?
You know, did he coax her, Hey, I'll give you ride?
Short walk? It's October in Florida. You know, it might
have something warm. Maybe she had a long walk. I
don't know, but I know this, somehow, some way, he
got her in the car. Some suggest that once he
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got her close to the car, he pulled her in
and immediately strangled her, which I think the reason. Some
hope that there was something else going on, that maybe
he coerced her into getting in the car. That that
seems to be more palliative, but you know, easier to
understand than was something. I tend to be of the belief,
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based on he had just killed Christine Melton, that once
Diane Rui's got close enough to the car, nobody's riding
around him. In a spur of the moment, he grabs
her by the throat, pulls her in and starts strangling
her right away. That's just my thought. I have no
evidence to go on that. That's just what I think
based on what some police reports say.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, you know, And here's the thing. It seems as
though Dave that and I'd love to hear what you
think about this, that when he leaves Christine Melton's place
and he's in her vehicle, this attack on miss Ruiz,
it escalates, doesn't it. It seems like it goes to
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a higher level of violence at this point in time
because of what we know of what happened to her
remains and the way her body was treated in the
post mortem state.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Well, you know what we found out about Christine Milton.
We know that they met, we're cordial, engage, you know,
to the point of developing a quick relationship, and then
he strangled her. And my thought was it was a surprise.
She didn't know what's happening, and you know, it was
over fairly quickly. Diane Ruiz gets strangled right off the bat,
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and he thinks he has killed her and He's thinking, well,
what am I going to do with her body? He
is thinking that. It's then that he realizes, Joe, she's
not dead. She took a breath. His first thought was not, oh,
I got to strangle her again. She's coming back. I
got it. That was not his first thought. His first thought,
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Joseph Scott Morgan, was to take Diane Ruiz, to throw
her out of the car and drive over her, not once,
driving over her body over and over and over again.
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Remember he strangled her inside the car. She survives over
kill time. And we know this information. Two ways won
her body, the physical body itself. We do know medical
examiner told us what happened there in terms of the
actual injuries. We know his thought process because of a
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conversation he had with his biological father, Joseph Scott Morgan.
Have you ever, in your death investigator days, dealt with
anything close to what tattoo faced Wade Wilson did to
Diana Ruiz.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't think so, Not with a car. I was
actually reflecting on that and where the individual is taking
the vehicle and going backwards and forwards over this poor
woman's body. And you know, you think about the reality
(31:54):
of this, this is the ultimate in defiling a human
and at a very very primal level. And what what
I guess. I guess someone that was you know, uh,
that was analyzing this from a psychological standpoint might say, well,
it wasn't just to cover up, you know, evidence, because
(32:18):
as you know, as I hold uh and you and
I have talked about this, Dave, if you try to
destroy a body with fire or you know, you're trying
to dismember it, which lord, we've had enough of those,
haven't we, Dave. The level of violence that you're talking about,
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it goes so far beyond uh, what you're what you
did initially. Now you're adding more evidence to it. And
so this makes this there was a level of decomposition
as well. We have to keep that in mind. When
they finally did find her body, and of course this
is October in Florida. Things happened from a decompositional standpoint
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much more rapidly there than it might other locales across
our country because the heat. But there was evidence of
scavenger activity from animals, this sort of thing. But we
know that the trauma that she sustained was so extensive
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that in that one spot, the police would have a
devil of time working the scene because you have this
kind of layering of evidence that's going on in this environment.
You're trying to decide, well, how in the world did
she wind up here, what's the significance of this location,
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what's the surface like that the body is found lying upon,
Who might have access to this location? And why is
somebody riding around back and forth over the body with
a car, Because you're probably going to have tire tracks,
not just in the surrounding area, maybe pressing down the
grass underlying dirt, Dave, you're gonna have evidence of tire
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tire impressions on the body. Now, I have seen this
in motor vehicle accents in particular, where you'll see evidences
of treadmarks on the body. So you've got all of that,
and think about what we talked about earlier when he
drug her into the car, Dave. When he drug her
into the car, he immediately begins to assault her. He
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chokes her out, so you've got that bit of evidence,
and then he violently reacts to her when he realizes
that she's not deceased, so again he strikes again, until
finally you know he's laying her on the ground and
rolling back and forth over her body. So when you
get a body like this to the morgue that is
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so mangled, and also your fighting decomposition here, you're trying
to find answers. What's fascinating is that how do you
determine how do you determine the difference between what's going
on in her neck because we believe this is a
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strangulation and maybe what trauma she had incurred as a
result of the car rolling over her body. Was she
deceased at the time the first time the car went
over her, Because if she wasn't and the tire contacts
the body, you're going to have hemorrhage there as well.
So do you see how this can become layered and
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then and then it's kind of muddled even further by
decompositional activity. So it's a very complex puzzle. But you know,
you mentioned something, Dave that I really want our friends
to hear. Is this whole case kind of makes this
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interesting turn where Wade Wilson actually contacts his father, Yeah,
which is mind blowing to me.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You know, he was not raised by his biological father.
They had a minimal relationship. He was raised by step
parents or by adoptive parents. And his dad has a
background that landed him in prison a few times. And
it was his dad during this conversation that Wade Wilson
admits to doing this to. He doesn't come right out
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and say I killed him. He just said, well, they're
not going to be going home, you know, they're not
going to be coming back around. And during the course
of this conversation with his dad, there were certain things
that came up that the only reason we know what
took place, it's because of the conversation that Wade Wilson
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did have with his father about what had been done
to Diana Ruiz. Otherwise we would not know what had happened. Really,
we would have an idea of some things. But he
actually tells his dad that he threw her out of
the car and ran her over so many times until
she looked like spaghetti. Now, Joe, this is not something
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I would think of to describe a human being, But
in this case, where you're looking at him running over
the body of the small, little, you know, woman, mother
of two, running her over so many times, you would
see white skin, blood, Yeah, it would look like noodles
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and sauce. It would look like that if you did
this to the person, you know, with a car running
them over so many times, they become a mangled mess.
That that's the best description he could come up with
to his own father. She looked like spaghetti.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, and I don't I don't necessarily, let's see, I
don't necessarily. I'm not necessarily surprised by the fact that
he is incapable of saying anything other than this, because
I think that this guy's mind is in a spot
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where he can dehumanize somebody to the point and I
think that there's he's dehumanized his self, you know, I
think greatly. And that's not a far that's not a
far reach. If you can do it to yourself, you
can do it to other people. If you'll disfigure yourself,
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you'll you know, how much of a more of a
leap is it for you to disfigure this poor innocent
woman that was just minding her own as she walked
down the road. Yeah, I know, And so the way
ten o'clock in the morning, Joe, she left the house.
Her son talked about this. He was the last person
to see her. She was walking to work ten o'clock
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in the morning when this happens to her. You know,
in the conversation that Wade Wilson had with his father.
His father testified.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
They called him as a witness at trial, and he
said he was relating the conversation that he had with
Wade Wilson, and he said that during the phone call,
Wilson explained, he met a girl. This's talking about Christine Melton.
He met a girl at a bar, went back to
her house. They fell asleep. He wakes up and he
said he got on top of her and choked her.
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He said, I choked that be yeap, just because he
woke up before she did. I guess then this is
what dad says. He stayed in her house for a
little while. He rolled her up in carpeting and was
going to put her in the trunk of her car,
but he couldn't lift her. Felt like Rigor Mortis had said,
it started to set in. So that's when he decides
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to steal her car, take off in her car, and
that's where he comes into Diana Ruiz, who's walking down
the road, and he says, according to the conversation with
his dad, he asked her for directions she gets near,
he pulls her in and chokes her while he's driving.
How difficult is it to choke somebody, Joe while you're driving?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Oh yeah, exactly. And you're taking this woman by surprise.
And isn't that interesting that point in and of itself
where you're going to reach over and do I want
to use the word spontaneously here, Dave, I don't know.
It kind of escapes it escapes me. Was it planned?
Because can we go back to Christine just for a second, Yeah,
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because I was thinking about this. In order for riger
to have set in in Christine's body, we're talking hours day.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Okay, that's what I was going to ask. I made
a note here because I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, it would have. It would have it would have
taken hours. Now, whether or not she was in full
riger at that point in time, I have no idea.
But this person apparently had an awareness that there was
rigidity present, so it was appreciable. So he's saying that
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he could not manipulate her body to the point where
he could get the body in the trunk. Okay, So
with that said, he decides to steal the car. Well,
he's in there ruminating over this as he's in this
poor woman's space, the space that she's created that's supposed
to be you know, her home safe, home at home safe,
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and he's I think about this, and I'm thinking, well,
is he getting so angry over the fact that a
natural biological process is taking place and it's inconveniencing him. Yeah,
let me steal this car and go out and find
somebody else that I can exact my anger upon, or
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exact my revenge upon, for the way the world has
treated me. And I'm going to end this forty two
year old mother's life with my bare hands. Oh and
by the bye, I think, I think what I want
to do is completely and totally eradicate her, rip her
to shreds, drive back and forth over her body. By
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the way, with the vehicle he has stolen from a
woman that he is just murdered. I can tell you
this though, there has been a day of reckoning as
far as Wade Wilson is concerned, because whether or not
he gets the death penalty or not, He's never walking
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out of the Florida State Penitentiary. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,
and this is bodybags
Body dies with Joseph's gotten more. When I was a
little boy, very little, I lived in this kind of
old ramshackled house that my great grandfather had built. It
had been a stonemason. The floors were all poured concrete,
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smooth and cold under your feet. In my bedroom was
immediately adjacent to my mama's room. Everything creaked in that house.
And when I was little, I had an issue with nightmares,
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and there was one nightmare that was repeated. I don't
know if any of y'all have these that kind of
reoccur over and over in your mind. When I was little,
there was a nightmare that I would have that involved,
of all things, the legs of the wicked Witch of
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the East, not the West. Do you remember those legs
from the Wizard of Oz. They're sticking out from beneath
Dorothy's house that landed on her, the striped stockings, the
red shoes. And my nightmare involved those legs hanging from
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the ceiling and the room would spin and they would
just dangle over me. When I was little, and it
still at the age that I am now, those memories
still inhabit my thoughts. Today. We're going to talk about
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some cases that involved something else that seems like it's
made up. It seems like maybe it's cartoonish, But the
reality is this, The person behind this evil may appear
like an arch villain in some kind of superhero comic,
(02:23):
but let me assure you he's real and his name
is Wade Wilson. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is
bodybacks brother, Dave. I guess it was probably, I don't know,
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a week and a half ago, two weeks ago, I
sent you an image and I told you at the
time I asked you, I said, this person look like
look like a character from the Batman.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Universe, the Joker from Batman. Yeah, yeah, the Joker. You
know who else I thought about? Actually, I thought about
Tommy Lee Jones as two Face as well, because I
got to tell you when when I saw these images,
I'm thinking, first off, what were you thinking, you know,
when you disfigure yourself like this? Because this individual has
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got these he's being referred to as the tattoo Face.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Guy, Wade Wilson Tattoo Face because Wade Wilson sounds like
a made up name. It sounds like something out of
Marvel comics. You know Bruce Banner, Well it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Hey, look, actually, Wade Wilson is Deadpool's name in the
Marvel in the Marvel universe. So yeah, I mean, we've
got I don't know what, what did the fancy academic
types say, we've got synergy here?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh? Wow?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And yeah, and it goes to a level of evil
that is inexplicable. Maybe on one level, it's absolutely terrifying
when you see this guy. And that's why I started
out talking about my memories as a child, because I
can't even imagine, first off, sitting across the table from
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this guy having a cup of coffee, much less if
you're some kind of young child or person that's in
an intimate position, maybe he's tucking you into bed and
this guy is leaning over you. Can you imagine.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Worst night mare? The thing is is you have to think,
and I do. I think, what made you think this
was a good idea? Look, Mike Tyson gets the tattoo
on his face. He can do that because anybody looks
at him sideways either loses an ear or their face.
One of the two is gone because he's Mike Tyson.
But for the rest of us, no, you know, when
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you at a certain point in time, tattoos to lose
their coolness when you've got weird stuff going on, and
Wade Wilson has weird stuff going on. It's so weird.
In fact, this is a guy who is accused of
committing too heinous murders back to back. Depending on who's
writing the story, it either happened in a matter of
hours or a matter of days'ling. I'm boggled by that.
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How do reporters get it so wrong?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know. I don't know if they're getting you know,
sometimes sometimes I think that given the energy surrounding cases,
it's almost as if people get into a feeding frenzy. Yeah,
you know, like if you've ever seen you don't have
to see sharks to see a feeding frenzy. I've been
fishing out in the Gulf and you know, catching redfish before,
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and they get into a feeding frenzy. Everybody's going to
idea you're you know, you're you're disoriented, you don't know
what's going on, You're not oriented to the location you're in.
And because I think, first off, you talk about from
a journalist standpoint, these cases have everything that I think
somebody in the news media is looking for. You've got
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this oddball guy who is just uber violent and seems
like he is out of control. And it's the stuff
that it's the stuff that nightmares truly. I mean, I'm
guilty of it. I just made a comment about it,
the stuff that nightmares are made of.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And David Joe, if you're going to put tattoos on
your face that are menacing, that are okay, you put
a swashtika on your face, it tells me a lot
of things about you as a person, and none of
them are good. So if you're going to be tried,
which he has, and that's why we're talking about Wade Wilson,
accused of killing two women, and he goes to trial,
and what is one of the first things his defense
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wants to do. They want him to be able to
cover up these tattoos on his face because the imagery
for the jury might be too much. And I'm thinking, yeah,
you're the one that did this exactly how No, I
don't think you get to hide those because they tell
us a lot about who you are, and uh, you know,
but that's just me. They did give him permission because
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our system of justice leans heavily towards the accused, which
if you're wrongly accused, you can appreciate that. But if
if you're a murderer, I don't think you get that.
You know, I want to play. I want to play
not nice. I say, no, you killed these people. I
know we're going to trial. But you did it. We
know you did it.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
You know well you know on that on that point,
you know you you were so willing and uh on
the outside you to get it done and not just
getting paid to get, not just paying to get. You're
embracing it, man, you know you're projecting this thing out there. Hey,
go all in, dude, just embrace it. This is who
you are. This is who you are. And I got
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to tell you, you know, watching the trial as I have,
he's he's devoid of like any kind of emotion about it.
He's very cold, calculating and one of the one of
the fascinating things about this whole thing is just hold
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on to your hat here for a second. All right.
He's claiming that both of these victims, he's being set up.
He was being set up by a human trafficking ring,
which he states he was a part of. So you're
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going to go there. So yeah, let's let's just further,
you know, go down the spectrum. So you're you claim
that you're involved in human trafficking, and that's your that's
one of the albis that you're and that you're being
framed for doing this. You know, I don't know. I
you know, I think about the scales of justice in
my mind and it doesn't have anything to do with justice.
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It's like on balance, you're thinking, Okay, now do I
want to go down this dark path of human trafficking
in order to escape? Escape? Now he's in Florida. They've
kind of got an express laying down there compared to
all other sites relative to the death penalty. You're talking
about it. You're talking about two homicides and he's got
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an agg assault on him as well and his girlfriend.
So you're going, you your choice is to go with
the human trafficking thing in your frame, you know, is
that what you're saying?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
That's it? It was? You know, do you remember the
murder of Molly Tibbets. Yes, Molly Tibbets, college girl twenty
years old Brooklyn I of Iowa. And she goes out
for a run and while she's on this run. She
is attacked by an illegal immigrant and he kills her,
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but he says he does he blacked out. The whole
blackout thing gets me on a lot of these guys
who admit. And the reason I'm sharing this with you
very quickly is because he made the same claim that
he was a victim, that these human traffickers had kidnapped
him and forced him to drive his own car to
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get Molly Tibbitts so they could traffic her, and that
he was made to do all this by these traffickers.
That was his excuse. So it's not like Wade Wilson,
the tattoo face guy, even came up with an original
lie to tell you know, he copied Molly Tibbitts guy.
That's because it's pretty much the same thing. I'm the victim.
I was kidnapped, I was threatened, I was beaten to
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do this to somebody else. But getting into the reality here,
we've got Wade Wilson, tattoo Face, accused of murdering two women,
and for no reason, by the way, not any reason,
like there's never a reason to kill somebody, but I'm
talking about it wasn't in the commission of a crime.
It wasn't where he was defending himself or them. It
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wasn't in a gunfight of the Ok Corral or a
car wreck. This was Wade Wilson, tattoo face, meeting a
woman in a bar and striking up a conversation that
becomes very friendly. And you know, there are times we
make bad decisions in our life, and we all have
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been victimized or not victimized. We have all created bad
situations for ourselves by making bad decisions.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, absolutely, And what.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Wade Wilson did that night was take advantage of somebody
else who needed a companion, looking for help emotionally, just
looking for a shoulder to cry on, looking for somebody
to talk to, somebody to come. You know, we're a
lonely group of people. We are the United States of
America in general, very lonely people. We have way too
much stuff, We have way too much entertainment, We have
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way too many things that our brains are constantly being
fed information, entertainment, and sometimes that leaves us vulnerable because
we crave companionship with one on one person so much
so that we forget, you know, because we could go
days Joe with never actually seeing anybody face to face,
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you know, through text, email, phone, we really can and
eventually your body cries out for this. I got to
have human contact, and sometimes you reach out for the
wrong person. And in this particular case, Wade Wilson was
that wrong person.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, he was, and an interesting Dave, almost chameleon like.
We talk about this connection that we want, perhaps and
it makes us vulnerable. But in this particular case, we've
got a guide that is camouflaged with these kind of
horrific images on his face. But yet what lie just
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beneath the surface of his skin is far more evil
than anything that was displayed externally. Dave, you had mentioned
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just a moment ago swastikas on the face.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Just below his right eye talking about Wade Wilson.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, Wade Wilson actually does have a small swastika beneath
the right eye. It's uh, it's about I don't know.
I'd just make probably about an inch and a half.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
You see a person like this like Wade Wilson, with
the tattoos and some objectionable tattoos, there's no real excuse
for a swastika on your face. Okay, how are you
going to explain that I used to be stupid and
now I'm not. You know, because if that's the case,
then why don't you do something to make it look different?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
And short of that, I'm sorry, I'm not sitting with you.
You know, I'm not thought why would I want to
r right? Anyway? But somehow he's able to play that,
and he's able to get the attention of Stein Melton.
He starts with her. She's thirty five, beautiful woman. She's
having a couple of drinks, having an adult beverage or two,
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and strikes up a conversation with this guy who seems
pleasant enough. Maybe that's the thing. The tattoos are off putting.
And then you find out, wait a minute, this guy
actually communicates like a regular person. All of a sudden,
you know, now it's interesting, why do you have that?
And so they strike up a conversation, have a couple
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more drinks. One thing leads to another, and somehow he
is able and I believe he's a master manipulator. Wade
Wilson is able to manipulate Christine Melton into allowing him
into her home. It could have been let's just finish
the conversation, like to get to know you better, you know,
have a cup of coffee. Could have been that simple.
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Didn't end up that way, but he did meet her
in a bar and then went back to her place.
All of that willingly from what we have been told
that Christine Melton went and invited him back to her place.
What happened to her is the beginning of their twenty
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four hour period of crime that is still hurting people
to this day and.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
It will for years and years to come. You know,
we see this a lot in these cases where you know,
I've used the analogy of throwing you know, throwing a
rock into this beautiful kind of placid pond, and those
waves that go out from that disruption wind up like this.
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This guy is in fact the stuff of nightmares. And
here's the thing about it, the methodology. I think that
he is using to allure, because this is a case
of luring. And I think that this comes down to
his if he you know, and I've thought about this,
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could he have used this self induced disfigurement in order
to try to tell some kind of sad story, you know,
because how else could you explain it? How use could
you use this to your advantage with somebody that might
be vulnerable, to get them in, to have them take
a bite of the apple, if you will, to get
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in their space. And that's an absolutely horrifying because that's
the only way that this could really ever be explained.
And so what we know is that when he got
back to her apartment, there was an intimate interval. We
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do know that, and for whatever reason, and we don't
know what kind of flip the switch. I don't know
that we ever do Dave, in any of these cases,
what kind of flip the switch for this guy to
become and react so violently When you begin to think
about Christine Melton.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I tend to think sometimes, Joe, that you and I
come at it, and most of us, we come at
it from a rational standpoint of how we process information,
how we react to things, and we try to fit
the criminal or the crime into our understanding. Yes, but
the criminal or the crime in these cases, they're not
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something that you and I can act or most of
us could even imagine. It's kind of like, who would
go with Charles Manson anywhere? He's a short, stinky, bearded,
thirty eight year old dude out of prison kind of thing. Well,
a lot of people did same thing here with tattoof face.
Wade Wilson. Somehow he's able to get Christine Melton. They
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go back to her place, and the next morning when
they're up, he for whatever reason, strangles her. He kills
Christine Melton for no reason, apparently, just that he wanted
to kill somebody, which takes us back to the Johnny
Cash song. I shot him in in Reno just to
watch him die. I hate to think that that's what
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Wade Wilson did that. He just said, I want to
know what it's like.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, I think you've I think you have kind of
reinforced what the state Attorney General said in this particular case,
because he's he is. In the closing arguments in Wade
Wilson's case. The state Attorney General said that this case
was about now just hanging on, just let this kind
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of bore down into your soul. It's a case about
killing for the sake of killing, Dave, you know who
who who does that? Who would want to do that?
But yet we have examples of this, you know throughout
history of people that go out killing for the sake
of killing. You and I had a conversation off air
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just a few minutes ago where we you know, I
actually stated to you that there's nothing new under the sun.
You know, it goes back forever and ever. But I
think that when we see someone that would be willing
to go back to a total stranger's house, engage in
intimate relations with them, and then, oh, it's kind of
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an afterthought, let me see if I can't extinguish this life.
You know, as he wraps his hands around her throat,
you know, you're you're left and I think that, you know,
that's what with this particular kind of case, this is
the type of thing that makes it even more horrific
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because it's so randomized. Dave. You know, you're you're thinking
it's you know, you had you had mentioned about trying
to defend oneself against some kind of incoming violence or
something like that. That's not what this is about. This
is you know, this is like going out and destroying
a beautiful work of art just because you choose to
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do it, or just burning down someone's home because you're
fascinated by fire, or you know, just going around and
making other people's lives miserable. And again, this goes back
to the idea that the misery that he has inflicted
on both of these women is going to continue for
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years and years to come.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Dave, when you've mentioned it that Wade Wilson, Tattoo Face
and Christine Melton meet at a bar, have a few drinks,
they go back to her place where they engage in
sexual relations. Wade Wilson then after having this very intimate
personal act with Christine Melton. Then, from what you've described
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many times about strangling somebody with your hands, it is
the most personal type of murder. Yes, there is. How
long does somebody have to have their hands around another
human being to strangle the life out of them?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, it doesn't when you're and this guy's a big guy, Dave.
When you see him, he's robust. He looks like he
spends time on the wait bench. Not that that necessarily
means that you're going to be like Hercules or anything.
But when you take his size and you compare it
to a woman of Christine's stature, she's not necessarily fragile,
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but she is certainly not to his level of strength.
And also you have to incorporate this kind of primal
thing that has arisen in him, because you know you've
got and I think that all of this violence is
sexual violence. That's what I think that it is. It's
the driver behind it because, like you had stated and
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I previously stated, this is the most intimate of all
of these kind of causes of death. The mechanism of death,
if you will, this asphyxia by strangulation. As he is
wrapping his hands around her neck, he's constricting the airway
and in addition to that, he's constricting the vessels that
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are running alongside of the airway as well. Now here's
what I'm really kind of wondering, did he ever adjust
his hands and move from the original position, Because if
you have that going on, and keep in mind, when
you have two individuals that are locked in this kind
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of violence with one another, and you have this asymmetrical
relationship where you've got this dominant individual over her, he
has the ability to And I've worked a series of
serial killings actually, Dave that involved a garath where a
guy would uh wrap it around ladies throats as he's
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sexually assaulting her and uh, you know, tighten it down,
then release, tighten, release, and they will allow them to
regain their breath just for a moment, and it increases, Uh,
the horror factor here because they're allowed to breathe again,
and then it's it's they're robbed of it again. So
I think that in this dominant position, you have the
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ability to do it. He's he's enjoying this. He truly is.
And I don't want to get too far off into
the kind of psycho uh you know, uh analysis here
and all of the profiling types of stuff that go
on with this, but you can see evidence of this
many times, uh the level of violence. There'll also be
(23:51):
blunt force trauma many times associated with this because as
you're in a dominant position over them, you can rain
down multiple stripes on an individual their face. So you'll
see this level of kind of disfigurement that takes place,
broken nose, blackened eyes, You'll get these raccoon eyes and
these individuals. Because then that gives you an indication that
(24:13):
the that the facial the bony structures of the face
have been have been damaged and fractured as well. That
also gives you an idea with the swelling. Dave and
you know this having these conversations with me, that the
person lived, they lived long enough to have an inflammatory
reaction to the strikes. And again that's that is quite revealing.
(24:38):
But at the end, you know, when you're you're talking
about this poor woman, he's attacking her in her own
home where she generally would feel safe. And of course
when he starts this attack and finishes it, he still
has one more person that he is going to of
(25:00):
rain tear down the pot. Isn't that enough? In Wade
Wilson's case, apparently it wasn't. That's a question I think
(25:21):
that most right thinking people might have a desire to ask,
is it wasn't that enough? You've snuffed out the life
of this precious woman, Christine Milton. She's thirty five years old.
You've snuffed her life out. You've come into her own
(25:42):
little space that she had set up for herself, a
place of safety, and you wreak have it in that environment.
But why wasn't that enough? After you had done brutally
killing her? You move on to a forty three year
old woman, Diane or Ruis.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
But before he does that, Joe he's trying to figure
out what to do. It was not a well thought
out plan. He merely meets Christine Melton, goes back to
her place, spends in this time with her and then
strangles her kills her. He tries to roll her up
in some carpet. He knows he's got to do something,
but he had waited long enough that rigor mortis, roger
(26:27):
mortis had set in and she was not easy to maneuver.
I saw that, and I thought he talks about like this,
like it's nothing. Joe, Yeah, And that was his first thought,
was rolling her up in carpet. Again, it wasn't enough.
(26:47):
He was still maybe this is what started him. Maybe
maybe this was this killing was too quiet for him.
Maybe this killing merely just let his whistle, and he
decided it's time for more, because he steals her car
and starts going down the road, leaving her dead body
back in her place. But he takes her car. He's
(27:09):
going down the road and he sees he sees a
mother of two. She's forty three years old. She's walking,
just walking to work. That's all she's doing. She was
minding her own business, trying to support her family. When
she comes in contact with Wade Wilson tattoo Face, who
(27:31):
has committed a murder in the previous hours. He asks
her directions, not because he needs to know anything, He
does it because he's going to.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Kill her feeding frenzy.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
He sees her on the side walking and decides, I'm
going to kill her. That switch you said, feeding frenzy,
that switch that got flipped when he killed Christine Melton.
He's got to kill more, and he does. He gets
her in the car Joe. And there's some debate as
(28:04):
to how he got Diane Ruis in his car. Did
he manipulate her in? Did he offer her a ride?
You know, did he coax her, Hey, I'll give you ride?
Short walk? It's October in Florida. You know, it might
have something warm. Maybe she had a long walk. I
don't know, but I know this, somehow, some way, he
got her in the car. Some suggest that once he
(28:26):
got her close to the car, he pulled her in
and immediately strangled her, which I think the reason. Some
hope that there was something else going on, that maybe
he coerced her into getting in the car. That that
seems to be more palliative, but you know, easier to
understand than was something. I tend to be of the belief,
(28:46):
based on he had just killed Christine Melton, that once
Diane Rui's got close enough to the car, nobody's riding
around him. In a spur of the moment, he grabs
her by the throat, pulls her in and starts strangling
her right away. That's just my thought. I have no
evidence to go on that. That's just what I think
based on what some police reports say.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, you know, And here's the thing. It seems as
though Dave that and I'd love to hear what you
think about this, that when he leaves Christine Melton's place
and he's in her vehicle, this attack on miss Ruiz,
it escalates, doesn't it. It seems like it goes to
(29:32):
a higher level of violence at this point in time
because of what we know of what happened to her
remains and the way her body was treated in the
post mortem state.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Well, you know what we found out about Christine Milton.
We know that they met, we're cordial, engage, you know,
to the point of developing a quick relationship, and then
he strangled her. And my thought was it was a surprise.
She didn't know what's happening, and you know, it was
over fairly quickly. Diane Ruiz gets strangled right off the bat,
(30:11):
and he thinks he has killed her and He's thinking, well,
what am I going to do with her body? He
is thinking that. It's then that he realizes, Joe, she's
not dead. She took a breath. His first thought was not, oh,
I got to strangle her again. She's coming back. I
got it. That was not his first thought. His first thought,
(30:31):
Joseph Scott Morgan, was to take Diane Ruiz, to throw
her out of the car and drive over her, not once,
driving over her body over and over and over again.
(30:52):
Remember he strangled her inside the car. She survives over
kill time. And we know this information. Two ways won
her body, the physical body itself. We do know medical
examiner told us what happened there in terms of the
actual injuries. We know his thought process because of a
(31:14):
conversation he had with his biological father, Joseph Scott Morgan.
Have you ever, in your death investigator days, dealt with
anything close to what tattoo faced Wade Wilson did to
Diana Ruiz.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I don't think so, Not with a car. I was
actually reflecting on that and where the individual is taking
the vehicle and going backwards and forwards over this poor
woman's body. And you know, you think about the reality
(31:54):
of this, this is the ultimate in defiling a human
and at a very very primal level. And what what
I guess. I guess someone that was you know, uh,
that was analyzing this from a psychological standpoint might say, well,
it wasn't just to cover up, you know, evidence, because
(32:18):
as you know, as I hold uh and you and
I have talked about this, Dave, if you try to
destroy a body with fire or you know, you're trying
to dismember it, which lord, we've had enough of those,
haven't we, Dave. The level of violence that you're talking about,
(32:39):
it goes so far beyond uh, what you're what you
did initially. Now you're adding more evidence to it. And
so this makes this there was a level of decomposition
as well. We have to keep that in mind. When
they finally did find her body, and of course this
is October in Florida. Things happened from a decompositional standpoint
(33:02):
much more rapidly there than it might other locales across
our country because the heat. But there was evidence of
scavenger activity from animals, this sort of thing. But we
know that the trauma that she sustained was so extensive
(33:26):
that in that one spot, the police would have a
devil of time working the scene because you have this
kind of layering of evidence that's going on in this environment.
You're trying to decide, well, how in the world did
she wind up here, what's the significance of this location,
(33:47):
what's the surface like that the body is found lying upon,
Who might have access to this location? And why is
somebody riding around back and forth over the body with
a car, Because you're probably going to have tire tracks,
not just in the surrounding area, maybe pressing down the
grass underlying dirt, Dave, you're gonna have evidence of tire
(34:10):
tire impressions on the body. Now, I have seen this
in motor vehicle accents in particular, where you'll see evidences
of treadmarks on the body. So you've got all of that,
and think about what we talked about earlier when he
drug her into the car, Dave. When he drug her
into the car, he immediately begins to assault her. He
(34:31):
chokes her out, so you've got that bit of evidence,
and then he violently reacts to her when he realizes
that she's not deceased, so again he strikes again, until
finally you know he's laying her on the ground and
rolling back and forth over her body. So when you
get a body like this to the morgue that is
(34:53):
so mangled, and also your fighting decomposition here, you're trying
to find answers. What's fascinating is that how do you
determine how do you determine the difference between what's going
on in her neck because we believe this is a
(35:14):
strangulation and maybe what trauma she had incurred as a
result of the car rolling over her body. Was she
deceased at the time the first time the car went
over her, Because if she wasn't and the tire contacts
the body, you're going to have hemorrhage there as well.
So do you see how this can become layered and
(35:34):
then and then it's kind of muddled even further by
decompositional activity. So it's a very complex puzzle. But you know,
you mentioned something, Dave that I really want our friends
to hear. Is this whole case kind of makes this
(35:55):
interesting turn where Wade Wilson actually contacts his father, Yeah,
which is mind blowing to me.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
You know, he was not raised by his biological father.
They had a minimal relationship. He was raised by step
parents or by adoptive parents. And his dad has a
background that landed him in prison a few times. And
it was his dad during this conversation that Wade Wilson
admits to doing this to. He doesn't come right out
(36:25):
and say I killed him. He just said, well, they're
not going to be going home, you know, they're not
going to be coming back around. And during the course
of this conversation with his dad, there were certain things
that came up that the only reason we know what
took place, it's because of the conversation that Wade Wilson
(36:48):
did have with his father about what had been done
to Diana Ruiz. Otherwise we would not know what had happened. Really,
we would have an idea of some things. But he
actually tells his dad that he threw her out of
the car and ran her over so many times until
she looked like spaghetti. Now, Joe, this is not something
(37:15):
I would think of to describe a human being, But
in this case, where you're looking at him running over
the body of the small, little, you know, woman, mother
of two, running her over so many times, you would
see white skin, blood, Yeah, it would look like noodles
(37:37):
and sauce. It would look like that if you did
this to the person, you know, with a car running
them over so many times, they become a mangled mess.
That that's the best description he could come up with
to his own father. She looked like spaghetti.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah, and I don't I don't necessarily, let's see, I
don't necessarily. I'm not necessarily surprised by the fact that
he is incapable of saying anything other than this, because
I think that this guy's mind is in a spot
(38:13):
where he can dehumanize somebody to the point and I
think that there's he's dehumanized his self, you know, I
think greatly. And that's not a far that's not a
far reach. If you can do it to yourself, you
can do it to other people. If you'll disfigure yourself,
(38:33):
you'll you know, how much of a more of a
leap is it for you to disfigure this poor innocent
woman that was just minding her own as she walked
down the road. Yeah, I know, And so the way
ten o'clock in the morning, Joe, she left the house.
Her son talked about this. He was the last person
to see her. She was walking to work ten o'clock
(38:55):
in the morning when this happens to her. You know,
in the conversation that Wade Wilson had with his father.
His father testified.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
They called him as a witness at trial, and he
said he was relating the conversation that he had with
Wade Wilson, and he said that during the phone call,
Wilson explained, he met a girl. This's talking about Christine Melton.
He met a girl at a bar, went back to
her house. They fell asleep. He wakes up and he
said he got on top of her and choked her.
(39:25):
He said, I choked that be yeap, just because he
woke up before she did. I guess then this is
what dad says. He stayed in her house for a
little while. He rolled her up in carpeting and was
going to put her in the trunk of her car,
but he couldn't lift her. Felt like Rigor Mortis had said,
it started to set in. So that's when he decides
(39:45):
to steal her car, take off in her car, and
that's where he comes into Diana Ruiz, who's walking down
the road, and he says, according to the conversation with
his dad, he asked her for directions she gets near,
he pulls her in and chokes her while he's driving.
How difficult is it to choke somebody, Joe while you're driving?
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Oh yeah, exactly. And you're taking this woman by surprise.
And isn't that interesting that point in and of itself
where you're going to reach over and do I want
to use the word spontaneously here, Dave, I don't know.
It kind of escapes it escapes me. Was it planned?
Because can we go back to Christine just for a second, Yeah,
(40:26):
because I was thinking about this. In order for riger
to have set in in Christine's body, we're talking hours day.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Okay, that's what I was going to ask. I made
a note here because I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Yeah, it would have. It would have it would have
taken hours. Now, whether or not she was in full
riger at that point in time, I have no idea.
But this person apparently had an awareness that there was
rigidity present, so it was appreciable. So he's saying that
(40:59):
he could not manipulate her body to the point where
he could get the body in the trunk. Okay, So
with that said, he decides to steal the car. Well,
he's in there ruminating over this as he's in this
poor woman's space, the space that she's created that's supposed
to be you know, her home safe, home at home safe,
(41:25):
and he's I think about this, and I'm thinking, well,
is he getting so angry over the fact that a
natural biological process is taking place and it's inconveniencing him. Yeah,
let me steal this car and go out and find
somebody else that I can exact my anger upon, or
(41:48):
exact my revenge upon, for the way the world has
treated me. And I'm going to end this forty two
year old mother's life with my bare hands. Oh and
by the bye, I think, I think what I want
to do is completely and totally eradicate her, rip her
to shreds, drive back and forth over her body. By
(42:12):
the way, with the vehicle he has stolen from a
woman that he is just murdered. I can tell you
this though, there has been a day of reckoning as
far as Wade Wilson is concerned, because whether or not
he gets the death penalty or not, He's never walking
(42:34):
out of the Florida State Penitentiary. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,
and this is bodybags
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