June 8, 2023 • 32 mins
In this episode of Body Bags, hosts Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack unravel the harrowing and complex case of Cassidy Rainwater. They discuss the crime scene, the intense investigation involving local law enforcement and the FBI, the critical role of digital forensics in modern investigations, and how vital evidence found on a suspect's phone leads them to a chilling exploration of the dark web.
Time-codes:
00:00 - Introduction.
01:15 - Cassidy Rainwater.
03:10 - Dave Mack gives us some background and an overview of the case.
05:50 - The crime scene's location in a rural and isolated area in southwest Missouri.
07:00 - The importance of digital forensics in modern investigations, particularly with photographic evidence.
10:15 - Disturbing photos found on the suspects phone.
13:00 - Disturbing content circulation in the dark web and its potential connection to the case.
16:25 - A small-town sheriff's investigator being contacted by federal agents.
19:35 - Cassidy Rainwater was found in an image suspended from a gantry crane and eviscerated.
22:45 - What could have been the possible motive for the careful labeling and preservation of Cassidy's remains?
24:30 - The process of identifying butchering marks on bones and what these marks can tell us about the tools used.
27:40 - Why were the remains preserved with a date?
29:45 - The tools and techniques one might use to dismember a body.
31:15 - What are "deer coolers"?
33:20 - A current update on the case.
33:45 - Outro.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan according to phrase a
few years ago when I was appearing with Nancy Grace
on her shows, and I used it constantly setting since then.
(00:31):
I'll state it right now just so that everyone knows.
And it's a bit melodramatic, but sometimes you just you
can't form the words and so you just go back
and I have to use this that the house of
depravity has no basement. And what I mean by that
you see things that so shock your conscience. You hear
(00:51):
about them, you read about them, and when you begin
to think about what cases you want to discuss, sometimes
you retract from it, but you sally forth and you
do what you do. And it's that way with certainly
with my career. There were certain things I didn't want
to bear witness too, that I didn't want to see,
(01:12):
but I had them. And today on Bodybags, we're going
to talk about the death, the homicide, the brutal homicide
of a young lady named Cassidy Rainwater, and not just
her death, but what we believe she endured leading up
(01:33):
to the moment in time when people finally, investigators finally
verified that they had her mortal remains or at least
all that remained of her. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
this is Bodybags. I gotta apologize to you. I apologize
(01:57):
for dragging it down this road, but I felt as
though that we needed to chat about this case with
me is Dave Mack. He's a senior crime reporter with
Crime Online. We cover a lot of things man, this case, though,
it's a bit difficult to take in. Would you agree
with that.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The home of Depravity has no basement? Is that what
you said?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The House of depravity has no basement? The house?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This is the story that defines that I had to
look up terms used in the reporting of this to
know exactly what they were talking about, because these are
things associated with wild animals that one might hunt, not
human beings that we're supposed to care and love for.
And the story of Cassidy Rainwater, it's beyond the pale.
(02:46):
It really is one of these stories, Joe that you
keep thinking this has got to be made up for
some kind of slasher movie, but no, it actually did happen.
A thirty three year old woman need a little bit
of help going through all the ups and downs of life.
We come through them and she thought she had found
a friend, and that friend offered her a place to stay.
(03:08):
Does she get her feet back under? He gave Cassidy
Rainwater a place to stay in a loft inside his house.
She was reported missing by a friend who hadn't seen
her in a while, and the only person that she
knew to talk to was a person she thought his
name was James Phelps. The story that James told her
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friend Cora Terry didn't add up. Cora Terry picked up
the phone and made a missing person's call. My friend
is missing. I don't know where she is. That's the
official start of the last chapter of Cassidy Rainwater's life.
Four weeks later, a picture shows up at the FBI
field office. But the FBI has a tip line. In
(03:54):
this particular case, the tip line helped bring about the case.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, you're right, and just so, folks have kind of
a geographic orientation to this. This case comes out of
southwest Missouri, and so whoever called us in. And I'm
fascinated because this is an anonymous tip, Dave. This is
not like, Hey, I'm so and so and I'm giving
you this information. It is an anonymous tip. And that's
the way it's being framed. Who would have had knowledge
(04:20):
about this, Who would have known about this, who would
have had that picture? And that's a much more when
we talk about the pictures in just a moment, that's
a more ominous thing when you think about who's distributing
this kind of image, so that it's being consumed by
someone out there they have it in their possession. But
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the field office that this was called into was the
Kansas City Field Office, which you would probably expect would
cover this region of the country. It's down near Springfield, Missouri,
and it's in an isolated area to a great degree.
It's very rural. Lot of farming that goes on down
in that area, and certainly a lot of hunting lots
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and lots of hunting. It's renowned for taking big deer
whitetail down in that area. So folks that occupy that
space are going to know more of a farm like
setting or.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
More of a rural type of world.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That they're going to be exposed to. And the actual
setting of what turned out to be the crime scene
is a place of isolation. It's wooded, thickly wooded, where
if you didn't know that it was there. You know,
you might pass by it and not have an awareness
that it's there. The photographs were just the start. When
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we learn about what went on at that location, you
can understand why a perpetrator in a case like this
would need privacy and isolation. In the age that we
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find ourselves in right now, when it comes to photography
and forensics, there is a specific thing that we look
for in photographs. It's not like back in the days
of analog photography, you would essentially take it somewhere and
have images develop. My wife likes to joke she was
(06:35):
in college, Dave, you might remember this. My wife was
actually a photo mate, which means she worked in one
of those little booths that people would drive up to
and drop off their film. They have to take it,
and they take it and send it off to a lab.
A truck would come by pick it up and they
process the film. And those days are way behind us
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now at this point in time, forensics now. And you
talk about digital photography, particularly if you're imaging things on
a phone, Forensically, there's a lot of value with that
phone and things are dayton Tom stamped relative to that,
and so that's very important. I think that that actually
plays a role in certainly the case of Cassidy Rainwater.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
This story of Cassidy Rainwater is every parent's nightmare. I
have daughters. We have tried to warn them their whole
life that there are people in this world you cannot trust.
It doesn't mean we don't tell our boys that it's
just with girls. I have girls in this age group here,
and I think about my precious Hayley and my precious
Hannah at the hands of evil that befell this woman,
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Cassidy Rainwater. I mentioned that it was a family friend.
Relative hadn't seen Cassidy in a month, and when she
tried to find out where she was, she couldn't find out.
Wasn't a lot of help, and that's why she picked
up the phone and called the Sheriff's office said, hey,
I can't find my friend. Well they started looking. The
(08:04):
Sheriff's did, Well, we got to look for her. She's
thirty three years old. Thirty three ye old women don't
just disappear. And so as they started looking, they knew
they had one contact where this friend slash relative said
that she was with this guy named Phelps. When they
talked to James Phelps. He said that Cassidy left for
Colorado round July twenty fifth. He actually volunteered that date.
(08:25):
When investigators start an investigation and they have a person
that might have information about they start making notes and
they write down everything like date and time July twenty fifth,
about what time and the reason is. They come back
later on ask that same person same question and see
if they they say it was you said it is
July twenty third at nine am that she took off
(08:47):
for Colorado, and the suspect says, yeah, that's it. Well,
they know he's lying because the first he said July
twenty fifth at twelve o'clock. And that's what they did
with Phelps. They tripped him up and knew right away
they had a big case. They didn't know how big
till the FBI calls in the middle of September. When
they talked to Phelps, looked at his phone. What did
(09:09):
they see? They saw pictures of Cassidy rainwater, partially clothed
in a cage, partially nude body inside a cage. The
anonymous tip with photos that went into the Kansas City
Bureau the FBI. We mentioned this earlier. Where did they
come from who sent those how to be somebody close
to it, right, But that's what gave them. We're looking
(09:30):
at an anonymous tip picture of the girl we're looking
for in a cage, partially nude, and that's why they
were like, we've got to see if these photos began
on Phelps' phone.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You try to validate what they call the provenance of
the photographs. Try to validate it not simply Dayton Tom
stamp on it, but also points of origin. Is it legitimate?
Is it a real photograph?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Because I got to tell you, Dave, if I see
a photo which these people have seen, these investigators, I
got to ask myself this question, just that human part
of me, am I actually seeing something real?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Or is this something from a movie set? Because how
in the world do you look at this and think?
And keep in mind, those of us that are in
investigations and in forensics, we're very jaded. Okay, we're very jaded,
and we always say nothing surprises us. However, in a
case like this, if this crosses your desk as an
investigator and you look at it, this is going to
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have you take a step back. This is kind of
like a moment in time that the investigator will remember,
it's so striking when you have an image of fellow
human being inside of a cage that's obviously being held captive.
Is she being held captive at that moment in time?
Is she doing this of her own free will? You'd
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have to ask that question, because, let's face it, you've
got people that engage in all kinds of behaviors. And
is this something she's doing because she's chosen to, she's
engaging in it, she's partially nude, it's very provocative. Or
is she being deprived of her freedom? Is she being tortured?
(11:14):
Anybody ever took an intro sociology class, they talk about
Maslow's hierarchy, you know those basic things that we need
clothing and shelter and food and all that. Well just
demonstrated right here. You've got somebody that's partially clothed. Has
she had clothing taken away from her? And what's the
purpose of her clothing being taken away from her? Why's
she being held in occasion? Why are you photographing it?
(11:37):
To begin with? Why are you actually photographing this? Well?
Why do we photograph things well? To document that we
document that thing that we're doing or that we're engaged in. Well,
are you doing this in order to review it for
your own pleasure or are you doing this to share
it with others? And there are huge networks of people
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that are out there in the dark web area that
feast off of this sort of thing, this kind of depravity,
that they will share images like this, And as an investigator,
you begin to think, well, is this what happened? Did somebody,
this anonymous person, maybe they had this image shared with
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them and suddenly they grew conscious all of a sudden.
Even in my construct of normal, this is not normal.
You know what am I viewing here? This is something
that's critical that I need to get to somebody that
can do something about it. So when the investigators begin
to dig into this, they know that they have Phelps there,
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They know that he's somebody that they need to chat with.
At minimum, they know that he probably has a phone,
and they know that they need to execute a warrant.
You know, the thing about predators like this is that
when they document things, and let's just say they're doing
it for their own pleasure, it's not. They've gone to
a lot of effort to go through all of the steps. First,
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off to deprive somebody of their freedom through kidnapping, then
holding them and imprisoning them, and then essentially torturing them,
and all along the way, they're documenting every step. From
an investigative standpoint, that's something that we can look at
forensically and begin to put together a timeline. You'd mentioned earlier.
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Her friend noticed that she was missing. Okay, from where
was she missing and when was she last seen alive?
What has happened in the meantime. This guy claims that
she was staying there with him until she got back
on her feet. It's interesting when police actually went to
his home to conduct an initial interview, he had said
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that she was staying in this kind of lofted area
that he had in his house, and when they observed
that area, there were no belongings of hers there. You're
talking about somebody that was trying to get back on
her feet. When you think that she would have some
element of clothing or some type of personal item that
(14:18):
was up there, there was nothing. Matter of fact, the
police actually actually used the word stripped.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Even if she packed up to leave, even if there
would still be signs she had been there, there'd have
to be something it's actually the lack of evidence in
this case that becomes evidence.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, it does. And we've talked about that before on
body bags, that negative findings are just as positive as
or just as good whether as positive findings in an investigation,
because it leads you down a different road investigatively, you're
not judging the roads you're going down. You're just saying
it's a different road. It's pushing you in a different
direction as the investigation takes you. So an absence of
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a demonstrative evidence that somebody had existed in this location,
and there's a stark absence of it, And so you're
saying to us that you gave her a space in
which to get back on her feet. Why is there
no evidence here that she had in twelve the structure
with you? What did you do with these items? All
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the while the investigators, you know, formulating these questions in
their mind. And then can you imagine being a sheriff's
investigator in some small rural area in isolation like this,
and you're looking into this case, you're trying to put
it all together, and then all of a sudden you're
contacted by the Feds that say, listen, we've got something
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for you here. We've got something that might be connected
to your jurisdiction and a lady that's currently missing. I
think you're going to want to take a look. I
can't even begin to imagine what those Sheriff's Office investigators
thought when they saw these images. When I was thinking
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about what cases to discuss on body bags, I never
thought the words cage and gantry crane were going to
be part of the discussion, but my gosh, they certainly
are in this case.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I had never heard that term gantry crane used while
dealing with human beings in a case. I had to
look up what it was. Tell everybody what.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It is, gantry crane. They've been around for a while,
and you can actually make these things at home if
you wish. As a matter of fact, there's an image
that floats around out there from back in the fifties
from case involving a that many of our listeners will
have heard of, and that's Ed Gain from Plainfield, Wisconsin,
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the original Leatherface, I think, and he was a necrophile
who had also killed a woman in addition to disinturning
bodies and this sort of thing and doing horrible things
with bodies. But there's an image of crime scene image
that was taken at his rural farm where he had
fashioned a type of gantry crane in order to literally
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feel dress one of his victims. And it's one of
those types of images that you never forget when you
see it, because, particularly those of you that are not
familiar with the dressing or field dressing of a deer.
The deer when you place them on a crane like
this and you can wench it up, You can attach
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a wench to it and it can either be hand
cranked or it can be electric. You winch the remains
of the deer and it's inverted because you want the
blood to flow out and the body of the animal
is eviscerated. That means the organs are removed. We've talked
about that, I think in my autopsy episode of body bags,
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because of visceration is the term that we use when
we remove the organs and the blood is drained at
that point in time. In this particular case, apparently what
law enforcement is stating is that they actually have an image.
I'll let this think in just for a second. They
actually have an image of this poor woman Cassidy. Rainwater
(18:35):
will say her name again, Cassidy Rainwater, as she has
been winched up onto a gantry crane and eviscerated. Her
organs have been removed. Now we don't know specifically what
cause of death is in this particular case, but what
we do know is that she was imaged inside of
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a cage, so we know that she was held against
her will. And then there's documentation that she is deceased.
By virtue of the fact that they've identified the image
that they have, they suspect that it is her remains.
This goes to things like an abuse of a corpse.
And one more chilling thing about this is that there
(19:19):
were her remains that were actually found labeled, according to
the police, inside of a freezer, David, inside of a freezer.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's the way you would mark Hamburger Meet if you
were freezing it and you wrote on the outside July
twenty fifth, so you'd know what day you put it
in there. That's how these were labeled in that freezer.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, and because of the blood evidence that they were
able to find relative to this, they were able to
get a specific scientific idea on Cassidy. I would imagine
that this was matched through DNA. You could certainly do
it at a rudimentary level with blood typing determined if
you know what her blood type is. But you know
you're going to extend it further than that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, let me ask you a question, because when you
get to this point where you're talking about if this
goes to trial, you can prove that these body parts
are what is left is cassidy rainwater. You can prove
that with DNA. But as a juror, don't I need
to know what happened? Don't I need to know? Just
seeing a picture that could be photoshopped is one thing.
(20:20):
Seeing the victim here nude, partially nude inside a cage.
As a juror, I've got to know how did it
get from there to a body part in a freezer? So,
as the forensic guy, can you tell me that? Can
you fill in the blanks based on just having the
body parts and what you can assume or presume happened.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's very difficult because you don't know what status that
those remains pass through after death or even in those
moments leading up to death. Because if a body has
been now keep in mind they've already validated this by
saying that there is an image of her having been
eviscerated and she's tied to a gantry crane her remains.
(21:02):
Following that, after the evisceration has taken place, what happened
to her organs? Okay, and we have to ask that question,
what happened to her organs? And then where her remains butchered? Well,
if they were butchered, which if we followed this line
of logic where they're treating her remains as if you
would an animal carcass, what was the purpose of the butchering? Well,
(21:26):
if you're retaining butchered remains, it would stand a reason
you want to preserve them, you're labeling them. It's not
too far down the road, I think intellectually at least
to begin to think about is this a case of cannibalism?
And I'm sure that that's been entertained by the investigators.
And there has been a dive that they've gone into
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because they did find skeletal remains at the scene which
they have positively identified as Cassidy's remains. So what do
we look for relative to that bit of information. Well,
you can't necessarily say that she was shot. You can't
say that she was stabbed, You certainly can't say that
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she was suffocated in some way with any definition unless
you actually have they photographed a lot of things here.
What if they find more photographs which demonstrate her death
being brought about where they're actually videotaping or imaging all
of these steps, Because all we know right now we
have her in a cage that was documented, and then
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we have these eviscerated remain. So what about the end
between those moments leading up to her death? Is there
any evidence that some method was utilized to bring about
her death that we no longer have evidence of? Because
when you talk about butchering of remains, one of the
things that we look for and understand this when you
work at a medical examiner's office, and this is something
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that people are probably not even aware of. Did you know, Dave,
that we will randomly have that will come off of
the street and they'll have a bone in their hand
and they'll say, first off, we found this large bone
on our property and we want to know what is it.
(23:13):
What they're asking is is this a human remain that
I found on my property? Well, you begin to kind
of examine the remain, and most of the time when
people show up with some type of skeletal remain, and
particularly if it's large, you can say, well, this is
some type of hog, or it's bovine, it's a beef bone,
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and we'll look for what to referred to as butchering
marks on the bone and you can see where a
sharp force has been used in order to render the
remains down to a manageable size. If you're talking about
like particularly when it comes to pigs for instance, and
they're butchered, you look for spiral markings on the ends
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of the bones where they've been cut through, and you
get that the spiral saw that they use to cut
it down. You'll see these kind of elliptical marks on
the end of the bones. So we began to look
for those kinds of evidences. Well, if you've got perpetrators
that might have a history of butchering animals, what type
of skill set do they have, what level of skill
do they have things like a bandsaw that they have
(24:17):
access to. Is there evidence at the scene that if
they do have instruments like this, do you have DNA
other than an animal you have perhaps human DNA found
on the same tools that they would butcher a deer
with or maybe a hog, and that's going to be important.
That's why everything at a scene like this has to
be collected and examined very very thoroughly. And then the
(24:41):
skeletal remains that you have left behind. If you believe
that this is a case of that perhaps cannibalism was involved,
you're going to look for a couple of things. First off,
though they are human remains where they butchered in a
manner in which they were processed for consumption, the way
that you would prepare roast, for instance, if you're a
(25:03):
local butcher. Also, on bone, one of the things that
we look for our animal activity, and you can find
teeth marks on bone, and you find this often with
discarded animal remains, where you can actually see these kind
of straded marks that are left behind by teeth. I
don't know if you know this, but humans leave those
(25:23):
marks as well. If they have bone and they have
chewed on it, for instance, you'll see those kinds of
marks that can be at least in a very broad
sense identified, These might be consistent with the scraping of
human teeth on a bone. So those are all the
things that have to be taken into consideration with this,
And the reason we're thinking about this is, for what
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other reason would you be preserving a human remain, particularly
in the manner in which you would preserve an animal
remain that you were going to be setting aside for consumption,
unless perhaps you're thinking of some way to dispose of
the human remains so as not to draw attention to yourself,
parceling out the remains, and you're going to distribute them
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in various locations. Well, if that's the case, why were
there remains found at the same property that were not retained,
that were, as far as we know right now, skeletal
remains that have been tied back to this young lady.
So there's I think that there's very big questions that
are going to be asked, certainly in court when this case,
if it does it finally does go to trial.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
There's the one part about what you just said kind
of it proks my ears a little bit here, buddy.
You said, preparing to get rid of these somehow yet
we know they found something in the freezer labeled July
twenty fifth, which I'm based on what we know, that's
probably the day or real close to the day in
which Cassidy Rainwater was murdered and or cut up. Forensically speaking,
(26:54):
can you determine if this was a first time effort
by the individual or if this is something that had
been done before. And the reason I asked that is,
we know we have two men, James Phillips and Timothy Norton.
James Phillips who Cassid he was staying with in his
rented house. He called Timothy Norton and said, come here,
I need you to help me hold this person in place,
(27:17):
restrain her. And Norton restrained her for a long period
of time for Phelips to do whatever it is he's
going to do. And I can say that because Phelps
has taken an offered plea in this case, this doesn't
sound like the first time these two have done this.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What I can't speak to. I think in a case
of dismemberment like this, one of the things we look
for is the level of skill. All right, there's several
things that you look for. First off, at the scene.
Do you have tools at the scene that would easily
facilitate the dismemberment of animal remains or human remains? Okay,
(27:53):
that's the first thing you're going to check off then,
and this is important too. I think folks might not
think about this. If you have let's say that they
have been butchering deer or maybe they've got hogs that
they butcher, do you have evidence of that at the scene,
and what was the level of skill that was applied
(28:13):
during that practice and by extension, the remains that you
recover that turn out to be human remains. What level
of skill is involved? How do we measure that? Well,
if you're using, say, for instance, a hacksaway in order
to dismember or remain, are you going to the shaft
of the bone in order to facilitate this or are
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you going to a joint which would be more easily
facilitated in order to kind of break down the body
into base elements where you're removing parts like this. Somebody
that has no level of skill, first off, they think
that they're going to be able to take a saw
and just saw through soft tissue. The saw is not
(28:59):
used until the very end. You have to get through
the soft tissue. What do you use to do that? Well,
you have to use a sharp instrument, and I don't
mean saw teeth. You would use classically a butcher's knife,
as a matter of fact, are a filet knife. You
look to the level of skill of the person that
is wielding these instruments. Is there evidence in their past
(29:23):
that they have done this sort of thing. If you're
an investigator and you're going to go talk to some
of the principles involved in the case or some of
the peripherals rather that know these individuals, one of the
first questions you would ask is, are these guys deer hunters?
Do they raise hogs or cattle? Have you ever known
them to butcher their own food? Do you know if
(29:47):
they ever work, for instance, at a slaughterhouse, which obviously
that would give them access to tools that would give
them access to the knowledge that's required, because it's like
working on an assembly line. For those of you that
have never been to slaughterhouse, it's that way. You're processing
a lot of animals over that period of time. And
(30:09):
we have places out here in the rural South we
call deer coolers, and the signs pop up every year
during deer season, and deer coolers are actually it's a
term that's used for individuals that have businesses set up
that if you go out and you kill a deer.
You don't butcher it yourself. You take it to the
deer cooler and the person there will actually process the
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animal for you, and they'll make it out anyway you
want it made out. They'll cut it into steaks, they'll
cut it into roast, they'll grind it up to make
ground meat for you. They have very specific abilities in
order to do all this, So you're looking at the
level of skill. And this goes again more broadly or
more specifically to the area in which this is done.
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Is there a set aside area. How long had this
individual possessed this gantry crane. Is it something that they
recently bought or is it something that you know they've
had for a couple of years. And it's in the
same spot. Because if you're using a gantry crane and
you quote unquote bleed an animal, well, when you open
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the animal up, it's going to be a huge dump
of tissue, specifically blood. And then on top of the blood,
when you eviscerate an animal, as you begin to dissect
out the inside of the animal, those organs actually fall
to the ground. Well, that's kind of this contact trace
element that comes into play with the soil or the
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underlying surface beneath the gantry crane, so you'll have multiple
DNA from multiple animals. If you're using this gantry crane
to butcher animals in this location, that makes it all
the more difficult if you introduce human DNA into this environment.
It's a wail of an undertaking here from an investigative standpoint,
because how do you kind of suss out the animal
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DNA if it's say, for instance, it's a deer that
has been butchered here from human DNA, and that's something
that investigators have to look at it very carefully.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
James Phelps, who was charged with first degree murder in
the death of Cassidy Rainwater, has entered an Alfred plea
in the case. We mentioned this earlier, and Alfred plea
does not admit guilt, but acknowledges that prosecutors have enough
evidence to convict if the case had gone to trial. Meanwhile,
Timothy Norton has pled not guilty, has not taken an
Alford plea, and he'll be going to trial later.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks
Body Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan according to phrase a
few years ago when I was appearing with Nancy Grace
on her shows, and I used it constantly setting since then.
(00:31):
I'll state it right now just so that everyone knows.
And it's a bit melodramatic, but sometimes you just you
can't form the words and so you just go back
and I have to use this that the house of
depravity has no basement. And what I mean by that
you see things that so shock your conscience. You hear
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about them, you read about them, and when you begin
to think about what cases you want to discuss, sometimes
you retract from it, but you sally forth and you
do what you do. And it's that way with certainly
with my career. There were certain things I didn't want
to bear witness too, that I didn't want to see,
(01:12):
but I had them. And today on Bodybags, we're going
to talk about the death, the homicide, the brutal homicide
of a young lady named Cassidy Rainwater, and not just
her death, but what we believe she endured leading up
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to the moment in time when people finally, investigators finally
verified that they had her mortal remains or at least
all that remained of her. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
this is Bodybags. I gotta apologize to you. I apologize
(01:57):
for dragging it down this road, but I felt as
though that we needed to chat about this case with
me is Dave Mack. He's a senior crime reporter with
Crime Online. We cover a lot of things man, this case, though,
it's a bit difficult to take in. Would you agree
with that.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The home of Depravity has no basement? Is that what
you said?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The House of depravity has no basement? The house?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This is the story that defines that I had to
look up terms used in the reporting of this to
know exactly what they were talking about, because these are
things associated with wild animals that one might hunt, not
human beings that we're supposed to care and love for.
And the story of Cassidy Rainwater, it's beyond the pale.
(02:46):
It really is one of these stories, Joe that you
keep thinking this has got to be made up for
some kind of slasher movie, but no, it actually did happen.
A thirty three year old woman need a little bit
of help going through all the ups and downs of life.
We come through them and she thought she had found
a friend, and that friend offered her a place to stay.
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Does she get her feet back under? He gave Cassidy
Rainwater a place to stay in a loft inside his house.
She was reported missing by a friend who hadn't seen
her in a while, and the only person that she
knew to talk to was a person she thought his
name was James Phelps. The story that James told her
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friend Cora Terry didn't add up. Cora Terry picked up
the phone and made a missing person's call. My friend
is missing. I don't know where she is. That's the
official start of the last chapter of Cassidy Rainwater's life.
Four weeks later, a picture shows up at the FBI
field office. But the FBI has a tip line. In
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this particular case, the tip line helped bring about the case.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, you're right, and just so, folks have kind of
a geographic orientation to this. This case comes out of
southwest Missouri, and so whoever called us in. And I'm
fascinated because this is an anonymous tip, Dave. This is
not like, Hey, I'm so and so and I'm giving
you this information. It is an anonymous tip. And that's
the way it's being framed. Who would have had knowledge
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about this, Who would have known about this, who would
have had that picture? And that's a much more when
we talk about the pictures in just a moment, that's
a more ominous thing when you think about who's distributing
this kind of image, so that it's being consumed by
someone out there they have it in their possession. But
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the field office that this was called into was the
Kansas City Field Office, which you would probably expect would
cover this region of the country. It's down near Springfield, Missouri,
and it's in an isolated area to a great degree.
It's very rural. Lot of farming that goes on down
in that area, and certainly a lot of hunting lots
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and lots of hunting. It's renowned for taking big deer
whitetail down in that area. So folks that occupy that
space are going to know more of a farm like
setting or.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
More of a rural type of world.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That they're going to be exposed to. And the actual
setting of what turned out to be the crime scene
is a place of isolation. It's wooded, thickly wooded, where
if you didn't know that it was there. You know,
you might pass by it and not have an awareness
that it's there. The photographs were just the start. When
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we learn about what went on at that location, you
can understand why a perpetrator in a case like this
would need privacy and isolation. In the age that we
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find ourselves in right now, when it comes to photography
and forensics, there is a specific thing that we look
for in photographs. It's not like back in the days
of analog photography, you would essentially take it somewhere and
have images develop. My wife likes to joke she was
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in college, Dave, you might remember this. My wife was
actually a photo mate, which means she worked in one
of those little booths that people would drive up to
and drop off their film. They have to take it,
and they take it and send it off to a lab.
A truck would come by pick it up and they
process the film. And those days are way behind us
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now at this point in time, forensics now. And you
talk about digital photography, particularly if you're imaging things on
a phone, Forensically, there's a lot of value with that
phone and things are dayton Tom stamped relative to that,
and so that's very important. I think that that actually
plays a role in certainly the case of Cassidy Rainwater.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
This story of Cassidy Rainwater is every parent's nightmare. I
have daughters. We have tried to warn them their whole
life that there are people in this world you cannot trust.
It doesn't mean we don't tell our boys that it's
just with girls. I have girls in this age group here,
and I think about my precious Hayley and my precious
Hannah at the hands of evil that befell this woman,
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Cassidy Rainwater. I mentioned that it was a family friend.
Relative hadn't seen Cassidy in a month, and when she
tried to find out where she was, she couldn't find out.
Wasn't a lot of help, and that's why she picked
up the phone and called the Sheriff's office said, hey,
I can't find my friend. Well they started looking. The
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Sheriff's did, Well, we got to look for her. She's
thirty three years old. Thirty three ye old women don't
just disappear. And so as they started looking, they knew
they had one contact where this friend slash relative said
that she was with this guy named Phelps. When they
talked to James Phelps. He said that Cassidy left for
Colorado round July twenty fifth. He actually volunteered that date.
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When investigators start an investigation and they have a person
that might have information about they start making notes and
they write down everything like date and time July twenty fifth,
about what time and the reason is. They come back
later on ask that same person same question and see
if they they say it was you said it is
July twenty third at nine am that she took off
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for Colorado, and the suspect says, yeah, that's it. Well,
they know he's lying because the first he said July
twenty fifth at twelve o'clock. And that's what they did
with Phelps. They tripped him up and knew right away
they had a big case. They didn't know how big
till the FBI calls in the middle of September. When
they talked to Phelps, looked at his phone. What did
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they see? They saw pictures of Cassidy rainwater, partially clothed
in a cage, partially nude body inside a cage. The
anonymous tip with photos that went into the Kansas City
Bureau the FBI. We mentioned this earlier. Where did they
come from who sent those how to be somebody close
to it, right, But that's what gave them. We're looking
(09:30):
at an anonymous tip picture of the girl we're looking
for in a cage, partially nude, and that's why they
were like, we've got to see if these photos began
on Phelps' phone.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You try to validate what they call the provenance of
the photographs. Try to validate it not simply Dayton Tom
stamp on it, but also points of origin. Is it legitimate?
Is it a real photograph?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Because I got to tell you, Dave, if I see
a photo which these people have seen, these investigators, I
got to ask myself this question, just that human part
of me, am I actually seeing something real?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Or is this something from a movie set? Because how
in the world do you look at this and think?
And keep in mind, those of us that are in
investigations and in forensics, we're very jaded. Okay, we're very jaded,
and we always say nothing surprises us. However, in a
case like this, if this crosses your desk as an
investigator and you look at it, this is going to
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have you take a step back. This is kind of
like a moment in time that the investigator will remember,
it's so striking when you have an image of fellow
human being inside of a cage that's obviously being held captive.
Is she being held captive at that moment in time?
Is she doing this of her own free will? You'd
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have to ask that question, because, let's face it, you've
got people that engage in all kinds of behaviors. And
is this something she's doing because she's chosen to, she's
engaging in it, she's partially nude, it's very provocative. Or
is she being deprived of her freedom? Is she being tortured?
(11:14):
Anybody ever took an intro sociology class, they talk about
Maslow's hierarchy, you know those basic things that we need
clothing and shelter and food and all that. Well just
demonstrated right here. You've got somebody that's partially clothed. Has
she had clothing taken away from her? And what's the
purpose of her clothing being taken away from her? Why's
she being held in occasion? Why are you photographing it?
(11:37):
To begin with? Why are you actually photographing this? Well?
Why do we photograph things well? To document that we
document that thing that we're doing or that we're engaged in. Well,
are you doing this in order to review it for
your own pleasure or are you doing this to share
it with others? And there are huge networks of people
(12:04):
that are out there in the dark web area that
feast off of this sort of thing, this kind of depravity,
that they will share images like this, And as an investigator,
you begin to think, well, is this what happened? Did somebody,
this anonymous person, maybe they had this image shared with
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them and suddenly they grew conscious all of a sudden.
Even in my construct of normal, this is not normal.
You know what am I viewing here? This is something
that's critical that I need to get to somebody that
can do something about it. So when the investigators begin
to dig into this, they know that they have Phelps there,
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They know that he's somebody that they need to chat with.
At minimum, they know that he probably has a phone,
and they know that they need to execute a warrant.
You know, the thing about predators like this is that
when they document things, and let's just say they're doing
it for their own pleasure, it's not. They've gone to
a lot of effort to go through all of the steps. First,
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off to deprive somebody of their freedom through kidnapping, then
holding them and imprisoning them, and then essentially torturing them,
and all along the way, they're documenting every step. From
an investigative standpoint, that's something that we can look at
forensically and begin to put together a timeline. You'd mentioned earlier.
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Her friend noticed that she was missing. Okay, from where
was she missing and when was she last seen alive?
What has happened in the meantime. This guy claims that
she was staying there with him until she got back
on her feet. It's interesting when police actually went to
his home to conduct an initial interview, he had said
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that she was staying in this kind of lofted area
that he had in his house, and when they observed
that area, there were no belongings of hers there. You're
talking about somebody that was trying to get back on
her feet. When you think that she would have some
element of clothing or some type of personal item that
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was up there, there was nothing. Matter of fact, the
police actually actually used the word stripped.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Even if she packed up to leave, even if there
would still be signs she had been there, there'd have
to be something it's actually the lack of evidence in
this case that becomes evidence.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, it does. And we've talked about that before on
body bags, that negative findings are just as positive as
or just as good whether as positive findings in an investigation,
because it leads you down a different road investigatively, you're
not judging the roads you're going down. You're just saying
it's a different road. It's pushing you in a different
direction as the investigation takes you. So an absence of
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a demonstrative evidence that somebody had existed in this location,
and there's a stark absence of it, And so you're
saying to us that you gave her a space in
which to get back on her feet. Why is there
no evidence here that she had in twelve the structure
with you? What did you do with these items? All
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the while the investigators, you know, formulating these questions in
their mind. And then can you imagine being a sheriff's
investigator in some small rural area in isolation like this,
and you're looking into this case, you're trying to put
it all together, and then all of a sudden you're
contacted by the Feds that say, listen, we've got something
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for you here. We've got something that might be connected
to your jurisdiction and a lady that's currently missing. I
think you're going to want to take a look. I
can't even begin to imagine what those Sheriff's Office investigators
thought when they saw these images. When I was thinking
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about what cases to discuss on body bags, I never
thought the words cage and gantry crane were going to
be part of the discussion, but my gosh, they certainly
are in this case.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I had never heard that term gantry crane used while
dealing with human beings in a case. I had to
look up what it was. Tell everybody what.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
It is, gantry crane. They've been around for a while,
and you can actually make these things at home if
you wish. As a matter of fact, there's an image
that floats around out there from back in the fifties
from case involving a that many of our listeners will
have heard of, and that's Ed Gain from Plainfield, Wisconsin,
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the original Leatherface, I think, and he was a necrophile
who had also killed a woman in addition to disinturning
bodies and this sort of thing and doing horrible things
with bodies. But there's an image of crime scene image
that was taken at his rural farm where he had
fashioned a type of gantry crane in order to literally
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feel dress one of his victims. And it's one of
those types of images that you never forget when you
see it, because, particularly those of you that are not
familiar with the dressing or field dressing of a deer.
The deer when you place them on a crane like
this and you can wench it up, You can attach
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a wench to it and it can either be hand
cranked or it can be electric. You winch the remains
of the deer and it's inverted because you want the
blood to flow out and the body of the animal
is eviscerated. That means the organs are removed. We've talked
about that, I think in my autopsy episode of body bags,
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because of visceration is the term that we use when
we remove the organs and the blood is drained at
that point in time. In this particular case, apparently what
law enforcement is stating is that they actually have an image.
I'll let this think in just for a second. They
actually have an image of this poor woman Cassidy. Rainwater
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will say her name again, Cassidy Rainwater, as she has
been winched up onto a gantry crane and eviscerated. Her
organs have been removed. Now we don't know specifically what
cause of death is in this particular case, but what
we do know is that she was imaged inside of
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a cage, so we know that she was held against
her will. And then there's documentation that she is deceased.
By virtue of the fact that they've identified the image
that they have, they suspect that it is her remains.
This goes to things like an abuse of a corpse.
And one more chilling thing about this is that there
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were her remains that were actually found labeled, according to
the police, inside of a freezer, David, inside of a freezer.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It's the way you would mark Hamburger Meet if you
were freezing it and you wrote on the outside July
twenty fifth, so you'd know what day you put it
in there. That's how these were labeled in that freezer.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, and because of the blood evidence that they were
able to find relative to this, they were able to
get a specific scientific idea on Cassidy. I would imagine
that this was matched through DNA. You could certainly do
it at a rudimentary level with blood typing determined if
you know what her blood type is. But you know
you're going to extend it further than that.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, let me ask you a question, because when you
get to this point where you're talking about if this
goes to trial, you can prove that these body parts
are what is left is cassidy rainwater. You can prove
that with DNA. But as a juror, don't I need
to know what happened? Don't I need to know? Just
seeing a picture that could be photoshopped is one thing.
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Seeing the victim here nude, partially nude inside a cage.
As a juror, I've got to know how did it
get from there to a body part in a freezer? So,
as the forensic guy, can you tell me that? Can
you fill in the blanks based on just having the
body parts and what you can assume or presume happened.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
It's very difficult because you don't know what status that
those remains pass through after death or even in those
moments leading up to death. Because if a body has
been now keep in mind they've already validated this by
saying that there is an image of her having been
eviscerated and she's tied to a gantry crane her remains.
(21:02):
Following that, after the evisceration has taken place, what happened
to her organs? Okay, and we have to ask that question,
what happened to her organs? And then where her remains butchered? Well,
if they were butchered, which if we followed this line
of logic where they're treating her remains as if you
would an animal carcass, what was the purpose of the butchering? Well,
(21:26):
if you're retaining butchered remains, it would stand a reason
you want to preserve them, you're labeling them. It's not
too far down the road, I think intellectually at least
to begin to think about is this a case of cannibalism?
And I'm sure that that's been entertained by the investigators.
And there has been a dive that they've gone into
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because they did find skeletal remains at the scene which
they have positively identified as Cassidy's remains. So what do
we look for relative to that bit of information. Well,
you can't necessarily say that she was shot. You can't
say that she was stabbed, You certainly can't say that
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she was suffocated in some way with any definition unless
you actually have they photographed a lot of things here.
What if they find more photographs which demonstrate her death
being brought about where they're actually videotaping or imaging all
of these steps, Because all we know right now we
have her in a cage that was documented, and then
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we have these eviscerated remain. So what about the end
between those moments leading up to her death? Is there
any evidence that some method was utilized to bring about
her death that we no longer have evidence of? Because
when you talk about butchering of remains, one of the
things that we look for and understand this when you
work at a medical examiner's office, and this is something
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that people are probably not even aware of. Did you know, Dave,
that we will randomly have that will come off of
the street and they'll have a bone in their hand
and they'll say, first off, we found this large bone
on our property and we want to know what is it.
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What they're asking is is this a human remain that
I found on my property? Well, you begin to kind
of examine the remain, and most of the time when
people show up with some type of skeletal remain, and
particularly if it's large, you can say, well, this is
some type of hog, or it's bovine, it's a beef bone,
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and we'll look for what to referred to as butchering
marks on the bone and you can see where a
sharp force has been used in order to render the
remains down to a manageable size. If you're talking about
like particularly when it comes to pigs for instance, and
they're butchered, you look for spiral markings on the ends
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of the bones where they've been cut through, and you
get that the spiral saw that they use to cut
it down. You'll see these kind of elliptical marks on
the end of the bones. So we began to look
for those kinds of evidences. Well, if you've got perpetrators
that might have a history of butchering animals, what type
of skill set do they have, what level of skill
do they have things like a bandsaw that they have
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access to. Is there evidence at the scene that if
they do have instruments like this, do you have DNA
other than an animal you have perhaps human DNA found
on the same tools that they would butcher a deer
with or maybe a hog, and that's going to be important.
That's why everything at a scene like this has to
be collected and examined very very thoroughly. And then the
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skeletal remains that you have left behind. If you believe
that this is a case of that perhaps cannibalism was involved,
you're going to look for a couple of things. First off,
though they are human remains where they butchered in a
manner in which they were processed for consumption, the way
that you would prepare roast, for instance, if you're a
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local butcher. Also, on bone, one of the things that
we look for our animal activity, and you can find
teeth marks on bone, and you find this often with
discarded animal remains, where you can actually see these kind
of straded marks that are left behind by teeth. I
don't know if you know this, but humans leave those
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marks as well. If they have bone and they have
chewed on it, for instance, you'll see those kinds of
marks that can be at least in a very broad
sense identified, These might be consistent with the scraping of
human teeth on a bone. So those are all the
things that have to be taken into consideration with this,
And the reason we're thinking about this is, for what
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other reason would you be preserving a human remain, particularly
in the manner in which you would preserve an animal
remain that you were going to be setting aside for consumption,
unless perhaps you're thinking of some way to dispose of
the human remains so as not to draw attention to yourself,
parceling out the remains, and you're going to distribute them
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in various locations. Well, if that's the case, why were
there remains found at the same property that were not retained,
that were, as far as we know right now, skeletal
remains that have been tied back to this young lady.
So there's I think that there's very big questions that
are going to be asked, certainly in court when this case,
if it does it finally does go to trial.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
There's the one part about what you just said kind
of it proks my ears a little bit here, buddy.
You said, preparing to get rid of these somehow yet
we know they found something in the freezer labeled July
twenty fifth, which I'm based on what we know, that's
probably the day or real close to the day in
which Cassidy Rainwater was murdered and or cut up. Forensically speaking,
(26:54):
can you determine if this was a first time effort
by the individual or if this is something that had
been done before. And the reason I asked that is,
we know we have two men, James Phillips and Timothy Norton.
James Phillips who Cassid he was staying with in his
rented house. He called Timothy Norton and said, come here,
I need you to help me hold this person in place,
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restrain her. And Norton restrained her for a long period
of time for Phelips to do whatever it is he's
going to do. And I can say that because Phelps
has taken an offered plea in this case, this doesn't
sound like the first time these two have done this.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
What I can't speak to. I think in a case
of dismemberment like this, one of the things we look
for is the level of skill. All right, there's several
things that you look for. First off, at the scene.
Do you have tools at the scene that would easily
facilitate the dismemberment of animal remains or human remains? Okay,
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that's the first thing you're going to check off then,
and this is important too. I think folks might not
think about this. If you have let's say that they
have been butchering deer or maybe they've got hogs that
they butcher, do you have evidence of that at the scene,
and what was the level of skill that was applied
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during that practice and by extension, the remains that you
recover that turn out to be human remains. What level
of skill is involved? How do we measure that? Well,
if you're using, say, for instance, a hacksaway in order
to dismember or remain, are you going to the shaft
of the bone in order to facilitate this or are
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you going to a joint which would be more easily
facilitated in order to kind of break down the body
into base elements where you're removing parts like this. Somebody
that has no level of skill, first off, they think
that they're going to be able to take a saw
and just saw through soft tissue. The saw is not
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used until the very end. You have to get through
the soft tissue. What do you use to do that? Well,
you have to use a sharp instrument, and I don't
mean saw teeth. You would use classically a butcher's knife,
as a matter of fact, are a filet knife. You
look to the level of skill of the person that
is wielding these instruments. Is there evidence in their past
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that they have done this sort of thing. If you're
an investigator and you're going to go talk to some
of the principles involved in the case or some of
the peripherals rather that know these individuals, one of the
first questions you would ask is, are these guys deer hunters?
Do they raise hogs or cattle? Have you ever known
them to butcher their own food? Do you know if
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they ever work, for instance, at a slaughterhouse, which obviously
that would give them access to tools that would give
them access to the knowledge that's required, because it's like
working on an assembly line. For those of you that
have never been to slaughterhouse, it's that way. You're processing
a lot of animals over that period of time. And
(30:09):
we have places out here in the rural South we
call deer coolers, and the signs pop up every year
during deer season, and deer coolers are actually it's a
term that's used for individuals that have businesses set up
that if you go out and you kill a deer.
You don't butcher it yourself. You take it to the
deer cooler and the person there will actually process the
(30:33):
animal for you, and they'll make it out anyway you
want it made out. They'll cut it into steaks, they'll
cut it into roast, they'll grind it up to make
ground meat for you. They have very specific abilities in
order to do all this, So you're looking at the
level of skill. And this goes again more broadly or
more specifically to the area in which this is done.
(30:55):
Is there a set aside area. How long had this
individual possessed this gantry crane. Is it something that they
recently bought or is it something that you know they've
had for a couple of years. And it's in the
same spot. Because if you're using a gantry crane and
you quote unquote bleed an animal, well, when you open
(31:16):
the animal up, it's going to be a huge dump
of tissue, specifically blood. And then on top of the blood,
when you eviscerate an animal, as you begin to dissect
out the inside of the animal, those organs actually fall
to the ground. Well, that's kind of this contact trace
element that comes into play with the soil or the
(31:36):
underlying surface beneath the gantry crane, so you'll have multiple
DNA from multiple animals. If you're using this gantry crane
to butcher animals in this location, that makes it all
the more difficult if you introduce human DNA into this environment.
It's a wail of an undertaking here from an investigative standpoint,
because how do you kind of suss out the animal
(31:58):
DNA if it's say, for instance, it's a deer that
has been butchered here from human DNA, and that's something
that investigators have to look at it very carefully.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
James Phelps, who was charged with first degree murder in
the death of Cassidy Rainwater, has entered an Alfred plea
in the case. We mentioned this earlier, and Alfred plea
does not admit guilt, but acknowledges that prosecutors have enough
evidence to convict if the case had gone to trial. Meanwhile,
Timothy Norton has pled not guilty, has not taken an
Alford plea, and he'll be going to trial later.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
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