November 18, 2025 • 37 mins
Former porn star Devyn Michaels is accused of killing her ex-husband, father of her two daughters, by striking him in the head while giving him a massage, then cutting off his head. Police uncover a strange story - Devyn Michaels is married to her ex-husband's son, her stepson, and her stepson/husband is now half-brother to her two daughters. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack pull back the curtain on another strange story out of Las Vegas...but still haven't found the head
Transcript Highlights
00:00.03 Introduction
00:14.82 Description of massage
01:32.62 Massage with decapitation
03:58.90 Suspect and her porn names
08:09.93 Mom discovers headless body of son
12:56.06 Toxic chemicals
18:29.70 Victim Body was "smoking"
23:26.68 Scientific conclusion?
29:19.61 Story of Judge and son
34:03.07 An awareness you have been struck
38:02.82 Polygraph reaction
41:05.14 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body bats, but the Joseph's gotten more. I don't really
indulge in a lot of things, you know. I don't
go out and just kind of spend my money, particularly
for things for myself. But I know that there are
(00:21):
people that do do those sort of things. You know.
They go and go to a spa and get manicures
and pedicures and get their pores exfoliated or whatever it
is that they get done, mud bass saunas, and of
course the ever popular massage. And listen, I am not
a verse to a great massage. There's nothing like it,
(00:45):
particularly you know, at the hands of the woman you love,
if you know what I mean, And particularly after you
know you've been beat up by the world. You come home,
you get your shoulder shrub your feet rubbed, and most
of the time you don't really realize how vulnerable you are.
You don't realize that literally you're in the hands of
(01:10):
somebody that could alter the course of your life. I
bet most of us don't think about massages that way.
But today I am going to talk about one such massage,
a massage that not only wound up in a homicide,
but ultimately led to a decapitation I'm Joseph Scott Morgan
(01:39):
and this is body Bags Brother David. Seems like we've
been for some reason, I don't know why. It seems
like we've been talking about Las Vegas a lot lately.
Funny cases. Yeah, it is, you know, and for those
that haven't been to Las Vegas. I enjoy with Las Vegas.
(02:00):
I like it. I used to like it a lot
more when it you know, you could go out and
you could get a really good meal inexpensively. You know,
that was kind of cool. And shows and I like
to you know, as you say, I like to drop
a few coins in the One Armed Bandit's every now
and then. But you know, uh, it's not that big
of a place when you think about it. You know, yeah,
(02:23):
it's not. It's not like you know, some massive city,
you know when you think about places like you know,
La or New York or Houston. You know, and for
some reason, some reason, there's a lot of violence. You know.
We just did the thing and we're still waiting for
an update. By the way, to all our friends out
there about the cremains that you know, we've got three
(02:46):
hundred was it three hundred cremains out there and there's.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Been as well, the cremains of three hundred human beings.
Just you know what, it would have been so much
different if those cremains have been all just thrown together
and scattered or whatever, you know, and somebody kind of found.
That would be different than the way they were actually found,
like a sand castle on the beach by a kid. FYI,
you can go and find that. We did it last
(03:09):
week or before last anyway, Joe, this one, we're talking
about a former horn star who has an ex husband
that she has two children with, and he's a real
estate agent. She last worked. Okay, Devin Michaels actually was
(03:32):
a real estate agent as well. Last time she had
a job, and she had a couple of neat names
that she used, Nicki Fairchild, Tracy Saverez, Tracy spelled t
r a cee. You have to be creative when you're
making up your porn name. You know, you can't be like.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Listen, I don't understand. You know you're going to enter
into I don't know, dare say profession. I guess it
is the world's oldest profession. Be proud of it, man,
you be proud of it. Don't use a nom de Gere,
you know, really really really just go for it, man,
just use that that name, that name that you're good.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Got to tell you, you know, you started off talking
about massagiest Joe, Yeah, and you started talking about by
somebody you love. And in this particular case, I was
trying to follow along with your line there, and I thought, well,
let's just spill the beans, because this is a person
by the name of Devin Michaels who has an ex
(04:33):
husband and by the way, she's accused of killing him
as he's moving back in to live with her and
their two daughters to raise them as a nuclear family.
But she's also going she's married to her step son,
her husband's son from a previous marriage. Wow, so you
have the triangle. You got the you got the Vegas
(04:56):
freeway going here, and you've got the husband who is
reconciling with his wife for the sake of raising their children,
their two girls, in a nuclear family, but his wife
is married to his son. And when all of this
came about, Joe, when it was discovered, now here's the
(05:18):
shocking part. You mentioned how if you're getting a massage,
how vulnerable you are. You know that never occurred to
me that really did not ever occur to me until
you said that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I gotta It just made
me think. There was something that popped up in the
news the other day and I had kind of a flashback,
and I did for a while I have flashbacks about
this case. And that was Jody Arius. I hate to
even say her name, but you know, she had gotten
Travis Alexander a very vulnerable position. Remember they had engaged
(05:53):
in sex all afternoon, they were nude, got him in
a shower, taking pictures of and all that sort of
thing she's got him. Isn't it weird how somebody that
is intent on doing something like this can have an
individual drop their guard, you know, and kind of you know,
it's kind of like was a Samson and Delilah, you know,
(06:16):
you know, the head resting in her lap, you know,
stroking his hair and that sort of thing, and outcomes
a knife, you know, off comes locks. You know. I
don't know, I don't know if that's a good analogy
or not, but well, it's one of these things.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, in this case. You know, the thing is
is that she's accused of killing him. Now it's more
than just an accusation, and because Joe last year, Devin
Michaels actually leaded guilty to a second degree murder charge
(06:51):
and decided after admitting everything and that she didn't want
to go through with that, so she changed her plea
too not guilty and took it to trial after already
having been guaranteed a sentence of less than fifteen years.
And then she took it back to court. So that's
why they're in trial. That's actually why we've covered this story.
(07:13):
I say we in the other shows that we do,
this story has popped up a couple of times because
of that. You know, she pled it down. It was
all over and now it's back. I just won't go away.
But in this particular case, how did you do it, Devin?
How did you kill your husband? I was giving a
massage and I don't know what happened. I don't remember
(07:38):
hitting him. I don't remember, you know. That's how she started.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, we've got a body here, a body. And by
the way, I gotta ask you about this, Joe, that
police found Jonathan Willett deceased with chemicals poured over his
body and no head. Now, his body was discovered by
his Mom. If you want to get even weirder, you know,
(08:06):
we already have the We already have the husband and
the wife and the step son who's married and he's
the ex husband, and the one in the middle is
on the right, and the one on the oppos an
all Night DJ and the one of his rear got drafted.
I'm not really sure where we are in a Johnny
Cash song. Yeah what happened, Joe?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah? Can we? I got to tell you, I I'd
love to drift back to this idea of of the
chemicals that when you know, the police first arrived and
this is in the wake of Mama finding it, you
imagine how horrible. This is, absolutely horrible. I got to
(08:45):
tell you I've actually seen the photo, oh, the photo
of his body. Yeah. Now, I'd covered it on I'm
not going to say which one, but I have covered
it on a couple of platforms, and I had access
to the image and and obviously it's this body is
without a head, and I could make out a certain
(09:07):
a few details. But one of the things that really
stood out to me, brother was the fact that he
had these kind of on the surface of his body.
He had these kind of black crusty looking spots, okay,
like where your chest would be, all right, And when
(09:31):
the EMTs arrived at the scene, and there's actually this
is kind of powerful. There's actually cop video, like the
body cam, and you can see one of the EMTs
standing at the bed and he's got his hand over
(09:51):
his face like this, and I'm for those I'm acting
like I'm on television with you guys right now, But
hand over the nose in the mouth. It's not I mean,
EMTs see everything, you know, They're not like a cop.
You know, EMTC things that will haunt your nightmares, all right,
and generally it's with the living. So it's not like
he's in shock. It's that the air was noxious in
(10:14):
this environment. It turns out that both bleach and ammonia
were mixed and they were poured over his body and
they actually stated that there was smoke or fume. Well
smoke is the way they're described it rising up from
(10:37):
the body. So you're talking about you're in an environment
with a noxious gas. Bleach is very very dangerous stuff,
particularly when mixed with ammonia, you know, and they're both
and this happens a lot because people will try to
really you know, really I'm doing air quotes really clean
an area. You know, you're gonna want your bleach, You're
(10:57):
gonna want you And those are common things that are
used to clean houses with. Well, you create a form
of chlorine gas. And I've actually, you know, Dave, I've
actually been in the midst of a spill in a
more going time where this happened, and it wasn't ammonia.
It was actually a form of formaldehyde that we have,
(11:19):
what's called formuline. We use it to preserve organs with
and there was bleach that was intermixed in this stuff
and it created that I couldn't breathe in this environment,
was burning my throat. So in an attempt to clean
up the scene, because this scene is markedly bloody, as
you can imagine, she's trying to apply this mixture apparently
(11:41):
either to clean the body or eradicate any evidence that
something has happened here. And you've got these individuals at
the scene, and this gives you an idea anytime you
have an EMS, a police, firefighter, whomever, walk onto a
scene that you never know what you're going to walk into,
because you're literally walking into the midst of somebody else's crazy.
(12:04):
Just keep that in mind. You're talking about a lady
who bought her own admission, has committed a murder, and
has in fact removed the head of the man that
is the father of her children, Dave. So I've wondered
about that. Hopefully, I hope that no one was permanently injured.
(12:26):
I'm sure that some of them have without the head. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
the guy that didn't survive her. But you know, you've
got the mom that's in there, and you've got all
these public servants that are walking through this area. You know.
The thing about that gas, Dave, is that it will
literally burn the mucoid lining of of your throat, your airway,
(12:47):
and if it gets into your lungs and really create
a problem. So it gives you the idea. And we
see this a lot with these kind of cases where
people get in midstream and they're doing something horrible like this,
and they don't know what they're doing. But what we
do know is that confusion and evil rules.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
A day, Brother, David.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I didn't know if I was going to tell you
about the image, but I felt like I needed to
just let you know that I had seen it. And
it appears to me because the image was kind of
Have you seen these images that are sent to you
every now and then, and they're like second and kind
of third generation images, you know, they're they're kind of digitized.
(13:47):
It's hard to fully appreciate. Oh yeah, you know a
lot of details. It's not like the stuff that we
take at autopsy or at crime scenes where you've got
this uber clarity with it. But I could sworn, I
could have sworn that I could see a portion of
his spine, you know, when you're looking literally at the
(14:08):
point where his head was separated from his body, and
it's kind of fascinating. I'm actually teaching a course right
now at jack State in Clandestine Graves, and we're literally
in the last week of class right now. I'm so thankful.
(14:29):
Well literally, it's been a long semester and we're doing
one of our favorite topics right now. We're talking about
dismemberment and all these sorts of things and what people
do with bodies, you know, and how they deposit them.
And you see this many times kind of acted out
or portrayed, where people will use whatever tools are at
(14:53):
their disposal and the evidence is left behind. Many times,
the evidence is left behind in the form of like bone,
dust or you know, tissue. And in this case, Dave,
you would not believe how much blood was left behind
because his body. Just so you know, if folks at
(15:14):
home will imagine you're laying on a bed with your
shoulder blades touching the mattress, okay, and the mattress is
kind of bear beneath you and your head if in
this case, if this gentleman still had his head would
be hanging off of the side of the bed. So
it's like in a position. And please remind me to
(15:36):
tell to tell our friends about the position itself, because
it's something we actually use at autopsy. His head is
laying off the bed, and Dave, the mattress itself is
just like super saturated in blood. And then you can
see the carpet, it's surface beneath it, it's super saturated.
(15:57):
And folks will ask as many times, well, how much
blood was there? The problem, yeah, all of it, thank you.
The problem is is that you can't measure that. You
can't measure it because it's like, you know, how how
would you measure the volume of blood in a mattress? Okay,
(16:20):
Because it's it's literally soaked through. You could never extricate
it from there and then put it in a vial.
And one of the terms and this is actually what
wound up being his cause of death day, it's it's
non specific homicidal violence. You know, you know that, you
know that, you know that there has been a homicide
(16:40):
committed here. Obviously you've got a headless body. There's a
copious amount of blood. And here's what most of the
time pathologists will say. They will say that the amount
of blood that you can see at the scene is
actually incompatible with life, right, and it's because it's super saturated.
(17:01):
And as you get down to the carpet, you look
at the carpet there. As we know, if you have
carpet floors, unless you've really skimped and didn't spend your money,
you're going to have a pad, a carpet pad beneath
the actual carpet. So it's literally going to soak through
all those stuff. It would be an impossible feat to
measure all of that volume blood that came out of
(17:22):
this guy's bed, this guy's body.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know, as you are saying that, I'm thinking about
this poor guy's mom you know victim here, Jonathan will
It and his think about this as somebody who is
the mother of two of your children that is accused
of doing this, Devin might Now I want to back
up to the morning of August seventh, at about eight
(17:46):
forty in the morning, the police in Henderson, Nevada, get
a call from a woman stating she found her son,
Jonathan Willet in his bed and she believed that he
was dead. Now, you know the condition of the body,
(18:06):
you know what she saw, but she could not bring
herself to say what she actually saw, so I believe
he's dead. Now officers arrive and I pulled the police
report because I wanted to see how they described it.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And you know what, Joe.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
They discovered that his head had been severed from his
body and was not in the room. They also smelled
those chemicals bleach and ammonia, and in the police report
says they believed those chemicals had been applied to the
(18:43):
body because smoke was rising from the body. Now the
body's wrapped in plastic or cloth and in bed, and
I'm thinking of this poor mother. Now she's got this
body of her son without a head. Yeah, and she
(19:04):
has to call for help, and she then describes because
now she's got to sit down with cops because it's
her house and she has to describe what's been happening here,
because hey, man, you called us, you're the finder. We're
looking at you first. Oh yeah, and that's when she
starts describing mister Jonathan Willett's ex wife, the mother of
(19:27):
his two daughters, and that she's The last time she
saw her son was at ten o'clock the night before,
and about one o'clock in the morning, she hears Devin
washing dishes in the kitchen, so she goes and hey,
what's going on? Just washing dish? She goes, oh, yeah,
I put Jonathan to bed. He's drunk. We're going to
leave early in the morning. Don't worry about us. We
(19:48):
got to register of the girls for school. And so
Mom's like, okay, goes back. At three o'clock in the morning,
she hears dogs barking. It's like, what the heck, but
she doesn't go check on it because well, you know,
goes back to sleep, and it's then at eight forty
when she finally goes down and finds the body. So
we kind of have a timetable of when it probably
happened it, say, ten pm to one am basically in
(20:11):
that time period. Otherwise you've got Devin Michael's washing her
hands with the dishes, assuming she's washing blood, because as
you have explained on many occasions, trying to dismember a
body is a big undertaking, and in this case, she
told police she's giving him a massage and hits him
with a candlestick type object. Now, Joe, how quickly if
(20:36):
you're laying there and I'm assuming laying face down on
a table bed whatever, right, and you're getting a massage,
you're kind of relaxed, your guard is down, and then
you get hit on the head. How many times is
your melon going to get whacked before you're really not
able to respond physically?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know that's going to be very much depended depended upon,
for off, the force that's applied by the subject that's
wielding the instrument, also the weight of the instrument. You know,
how much force can they deliver, and of course that
force is going to be translated into the object flying
(21:16):
through the air. And then if the if it's if
it's like if you I don't know, do you remember
Pier one? Pier one shops. If you go in like
an old pier One shop, and do you remember they
used to have all the stuff from like they'd have
stuff from India and the Far East, you know, And
I always felt like it was probably made in like,
(21:38):
you know, Hoboken, New Jersey or something. It really wasn't
from those locations anyway. They've got candlesticks, right or or
candle holders. How heavy could one of those things be?
So my thought is unless it's something that weighed, like
(21:59):
the weight would have to be measured in pounds as
opposed to ounces, you know, like a baseball bat, it
would have to have significant weight for it to be
a single strike. I think that she would have had
to have hit him, probably multiple times. Here's another interesting
thing about blunt force trauma, Dave, is that let's just say,
(22:21):
for instance, you have some weirdo kind of candle holder
or something like this. It's got these like real prominent
edges to it. Well, now that that structure is now
part of it goes to the lethality of this thing.
So if it's got like a protuberance on the side
(22:43):
of it, and it's got weight behind it, and that
protuberance is being driven down like a point, like a
metal point, and you can penetrate the cranial vault with it.
One strike might do it, but it's hard to imagine
that a single strike is going to kill this guy,
even if he's laid out. So my question is, and
(23:04):
I think that this is one of the big mysteries
surrounding this Dave. First off, they don't have a weapon
and they ain't got a head. So how are you
going to how are you going to arrive at any
kind of scientific conclusion, you know, about what actually happened
or how it actually went down, because you know, one
(23:27):
of the things that we do in the Morgue day
is to try to understand understand the dynamics of the
event that led up, you know, the fatal event. How
energy is transferred from say, for instance, either firearm into
the body of a victim that shot, or from the
hand and the arm of the perpetray that's wielding the instrument,
(23:48):
or the shape of the instrument like a knife. You
have to try to understand all of that to kind
of get an idea of how many strikes did it
take and also how long did they live because depended
upon upon the degree of the injury itself, you can
(24:09):
get an idea of well, what was damaged within within
the skull, what areas of the brain were impacted, and
were there any specific vessels that were disrupted. And also,
you know, I'd mentioned just a moment ago, and I
think this is kind of fascinating the amount of blood
that you have there. How much of that blood was
(24:33):
actually from the event of him being struck or how
much of it was the postmortem flow relative to his
head being removed from his shoulders. When I saw this
guy's body, you know, the first thing I thought about
is in the morgue. One of the things that we do,
(24:56):
and I don't know folks are aware of this, but
I'm going ahead and tell you. Did you know that
we block the bodies And what that means is that
there is a rubber We call it a block, but
there is a rubber rubber device that we use, and
(25:16):
it's got four points on it and it's real heavy rubber,
and we can either and it's got two aspects to it.
You can flip it over and put it under the
neck and it holds the neck in place so that
we can literally open the head. You can flip it
over and it's got these four points that look like
the legs of a table, and you can stand it
(25:39):
up on the little legs and then put it directly
beneath the shoulder blades, and it does what it's called
hyper extends the body. So when you hyper extend the
body and you make that initial incision into the chest,
the chest literally opens up so that you can see everything.
You can see all of the all of the viscera,
(26:03):
the organ groups, everything, you can fully appreciate it. I
got to tell you, I got to tell you when
I was looking at his body, she had actually, in
her own way, hyper extended his body off the edge
of that bed so she could get access to his neck.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
David, Oh my god, I know, so that she could
get access to his neck, because that, you know, if
you think about, just think about, just think about with
your head and everybody's done it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
At some point in time, with your head laying off
the back, off the side of the bed, your neck
kind of bulges up like this and your shoulders kind
of contract a bit, and so it literally opens up
this area on the antier or the front of the neck,
so that you can get access to that area if
you want to use a sharp instrument on it, and somehow,
(26:53):
some way she thought that this was the best way
to do it. I got to tell you, if I
didn't have a block like I have in the morgue,
and I was interested in trying to remove somebody's head,
I don't know, man, that might be the road I
was going to go down. And it's like instinctively she
knew how to do that, you know, back a few
(27:25):
years ago. I think it was actually twenty eighteen, I
actually covered this trial live on air. I was on
Long Crime Network. And I don't know if you remember
Judge Scanderto. He had been a judge. I think it
was in Michigan and he had moved to Florida, and
he had moved to Florida and he was down there
(27:49):
and kept company with his son who also lived down there.
The son was an attorney, had a drug problem. Turns
out that this elderly, elderly judge had a drug problem
as well, if you can imagine this, And anyway, story
went that they thought the son had killed the dad,
(28:12):
but what had happened was apparently the judge, this elderly
judge had a cardiac arrest that was probably brought on
by all things, Dave, cocaine usage. So he's doing below
with his son, and the son panics, all right, he's
(28:33):
got the drug. I think he probably had the drug
paranoia thing going on. Decides to get out, go to
the shed and get and get some sharp some sharp instruments.
Cut dad's head off. And they've still to this very day,
they still have yet to have found this father's head. Wow.
(28:55):
And there was like a retention you know how in
Florida they have all these retention ponds, all like part
complexes and all that stuff, and it me his body
was found like and they've still to this day they've
never found his head. Think about it. There's all kinds
of creepy crawlies in those retention problems in Florida. There's
no telling where the guy's head actually wound up. But
the sun was not. He was not found guilty of
(29:16):
a homicide, but he was found guilty of, you know,
like abusing a corps. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. But
with this case, we've we've got a bona fide homicide here,
Dave and.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Somebody missing head. Right, Yes, you admitted doing it, saying
she hit him over the head. Now, there was something
kind of telling in her statement to believe. She said
that she hit him with a candlestick like object, and
that told me it was a heavy object. I don't
know why that's what I thought, but you know, something
that long heavy and hit him. And she said that
(29:51):
she hit him and his arms stopped moving, right, And
I started thinking, well, okay, she hit him, because that
was that's a pretty dramatic thing. He's not struggling, He's
not like she didn't hit him and he struggled, you know,
she didn't hit him a little bit and he fought back.
She hit him and his armed stopped moving. Is there
(30:15):
a place you can hit somebody on the head that
would bring them right away like that?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, particularly Okay, let's just say, and this
is just my opinion, there's a reason like when you
have these you know kind of you think about people
that are publicly executed, right or not publicly, you know,
when you have like mass executions and they shoot people
(30:42):
in the back of the head or like you know
the scene, you know, leave the gun and take the
Canoli's and Godfather shot in the back of the head, right,
that's pollie. Was that Paulie. I think it was Polly
that was shot. Yeah, Polly was shot. Yeah, Polli was shot.
And so there's a reason because back there, in that
particular kular or posterior region of the brain, you're controlling
(31:04):
motor functions back there, and so I would say that, yeah,
I think that that that would be possible. But it's
fascinating the statement that she would make that he stopped
moving his arms. So why was he moving his arms
in the beginning? Was she actually in a struggle with him?
And she grabs the scene and brains him with it.
(31:26):
By the way, I love the fact that you use
that term. I haven't heard that term in years. Uh.
And she brains him with that, Yeah, you're you're right,
he's he's his arms are not going to move him.
The question is is that did she kill him with
that blow or did she just knock him unconscious? And
(31:48):
this is something else I've never had an opportunity to,
you know, kind of tell people this on one of
these episodes. Have you ever seen in the old the
old pictures, somebody will will take a pistol in some
kind of movie and they like walk up behind somebody
and strike somebody in the back of the head and
they automatically drop. It's like a theater device, you know. Yeah,
(32:11):
it generally doesn't work that way. There's an awareness you've
been struck. It's like what you do man, you know
like that, and you I guess there are those those times,
particularly if you've got the right instrument, you could hit
somebody hard enough that you would kill them instantly. The
line's share of people that you hit in the head
are going to be aware that they've been hit and
(32:31):
they're going to start to fight. And I really wonder
if that might be what happened here. But I keep
going back to this day. This is we've covered so
many this memory cases. I've never I don't think you
and I have worked one or covered one where someone
(32:52):
has taken the head and they've just they you know,
exit stage left, you know, with the head and it's gone.
I really tried to think this through because what they're
saying about this case is they don't have an instrument.
That's what she said she used, and we don't have
a head, right, So.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
There's some John R. Vidy consider too, Joe, because see
he was living at home with his mom. Jonathan will
it was yeah, his wife, Devin was living with their
two daughters and her husband, her ex husband, step son,
her step son. Okay, now they're living together, she tells police.
(33:37):
It's an insurance thing. We're not really married, like in
love married. It's an insurance thing. It's the only reason.
And of course they saw through that pretty quickly. You know,
that broke down. So she's having a sexual affair with
her step son, which by the way, began when she
was living as husband and wife with having two children
with her husband, the father of her boyfriend. She's doing
(34:02):
both of them at the same time. Dad and her
step son. Now what happened is this Devon and Jonathan.
They broke up. Devon and her stepson moved in together,
and and Jonathan decided to live back together a husband
(34:26):
and wife and raise their children together. But her stepson,
her husband, her ex husband son, he's not happy about
that because he and his dad are not on great terms.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And so really, I can't.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And I want to be very careful here because when
you when you look at a case like this, there
are so many horrible I think about the mom finding
her son's body, you know, I think about that, I
think about these two daughters now who have to grow
up knowing that our mom killed our dad and she
was in a relationship with our brother alf brother.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah see that. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So anyway, through all of that, they never found the head.
But what happened is while the police are talking to her,
they hook her up to polygraph because they were like,
what was why were you there at the house? Where
were you headed? And you know, Jonathan was going to
move back into the home she shared with his son
and their daughters, and she decided she wanted it generally
(35:35):
kill him.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
She just wanted to hurt him.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Enough to go in the hospital to buy her a
few extra days to try to get things smoothed over
at home with her boyfriend or his son so they
could all live together. That was her plan, just get
him in the hospital so he's out of my way
for a little while, because he was planning on moving
into their house together right then and it was too fast.
She didn't want that. So they couldn't find his head.
(35:58):
They hook her up the polygraph. They're asked all these
questions and it's during one of these questions that they
actually see the needles jump. Okay, now, when they're asking
you questions on a polygraph and you have his significant reaction,
they know something's up. I'm not saying polygraph for one
hundred percent accurate, but they're probably ninety percent accurate. And
(36:19):
when you have a severe reaction, they know they're onto something.
And the reason they were onto something is they found
Jonathan Willett, the dead man with no head, is wallet, keys,
sell security card, and his phone with his blood on
it at Devin Michael's home. And her significant reaction was
when they asked her if she participated in the death
(36:41):
of Jonathan Willett, and there was something that happened during
one of other interviews with Police Joe. During that first interview,
they asked her what happened, and she said, well, there's
this trash truck that was backing up and it just
picked up tracks. You have a beeping noise when the trash.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Trucks backing up, peep peep peep, and.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
She looks at the truck out the window and goes, yeah,
got it, then went bye bye. She said that to
the police as the trash truck, so they figured she
put her head in the trash can, put his head
in the trash can, and then threw it away.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah. I think that she actually spirited the head out
of the house, like in a basket or something, and essentially,
you know, like you said, dumps the head into a
trash receptacle. And you know that the truck is always
it's like magic. The truck is always going to come
by and pick up anything. And here's the problem. They
(37:34):
probably know where the head is, but that head wound
up in a landfill. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is body Bags.
Body bats, but the Joseph's gotten more. I don't really
indulge in a lot of things, you know. I don't
go out and just kind of spend my money, particularly
for things for myself. But I know that there are
(00:21):
people that do do those sort of things. You know.
They go and go to a spa and get manicures
and pedicures and get their pores exfoliated or whatever it
is that they get done, mud bass saunas, and of
course the ever popular massage. And listen, I am not
a verse to a great massage. There's nothing like it,
(00:45):
particularly you know, at the hands of the woman you love,
if you know what I mean, And particularly after you
know you've been beat up by the world. You come home,
you get your shoulder shrub your feet rubbed, and most
of the time you don't really realize how vulnerable you are.
You don't realize that literally you're in the hands of
(01:10):
somebody that could alter the course of your life. I
bet most of us don't think about massages that way.
But today I am going to talk about one such massage,
a massage that not only wound up in a homicide,
but ultimately led to a decapitation I'm Joseph Scott Morgan
(01:39):
and this is body Bags Brother David. Seems like we've
been for some reason, I don't know why. It seems
like we've been talking about Las Vegas a lot lately.
Funny cases. Yeah, it is, you know, and for those
that haven't been to Las Vegas. I enjoy with Las Vegas.
(02:00):
I like it. I used to like it a lot
more when it you know, you could go out and
you could get a really good meal inexpensively. You know,
that was kind of cool. And shows and I like
to you know, as you say, I like to drop
a few coins in the One Armed Bandit's every now
and then. But you know, uh, it's not that big
of a place when you think about it. You know, yeah,
(02:23):
it's not. It's not like you know, some massive city,
you know when you think about places like you know,
La or New York or Houston. You know, and for
some reason, some reason, there's a lot of violence. You know.
We just did the thing and we're still waiting for
an update. By the way, to all our friends out
there about the cremains that you know, we've got three
(02:46):
hundred was it three hundred cremains out there and there's.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Been as well, the cremains of three hundred human beings.
Just you know what, it would have been so much
different if those cremains have been all just thrown together
and scattered or whatever, you know, and somebody kind of found.
That would be different than the way they were actually found,
like a sand castle on the beach by a kid. FYI,
you can go and find that. We did it last
(03:09):
week or before last anyway, Joe, this one, we're talking
about a former horn star who has an ex husband
that she has two children with, and he's a real
estate agent. She last worked. Okay, Devin Michaels actually was
(03:32):
a real estate agent as well. Last time she had
a job, and she had a couple of neat names
that she used, Nicki Fairchild, Tracy Saverez, Tracy spelled t
r a cee. You have to be creative when you're
making up your porn name. You know, you can't be like.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Listen, I don't understand. You know you're going to enter
into I don't know, dare say profession. I guess it
is the world's oldest profession. Be proud of it, man,
you be proud of it. Don't use a nom de Gere,
you know, really really really just go for it, man,
just use that that name, that name that you're good.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Got to tell you, you know, you started off talking
about massagiest Joe, Yeah, and you started talking about by
somebody you love. And in this particular case, I was
trying to follow along with your line there, and I thought, well,
let's just spill the beans, because this is a person
by the name of Devin Michaels who has an ex
(04:33):
husband and by the way, she's accused of killing him
as he's moving back in to live with her and
their two daughters to raise them as a nuclear family.
But she's also going she's married to her step son,
her husband's son from a previous marriage. Wow, so you
have the triangle. You got the you got the Vegas
(04:56):
freeway going here, and you've got the husband who is
reconciling with his wife for the sake of raising their children,
their two girls, in a nuclear family, but his wife
is married to his son. And when all of this
came about, Joe, when it was discovered, now here's the
(05:18):
shocking part. You mentioned how if you're getting a massage,
how vulnerable you are. You know that never occurred to
me that really did not ever occur to me until
you said that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I gotta It just made
me think. There was something that popped up in the
news the other day and I had kind of a flashback,
and I did for a while I have flashbacks about
this case. And that was Jody Arius. I hate to
even say her name, but you know, she had gotten
Travis Alexander a very vulnerable position. Remember they had engaged
(05:53):
in sex all afternoon, they were nude, got him in
a shower, taking pictures of and all that sort of
thing she's got him. Isn't it weird how somebody that
is intent on doing something like this can have an
individual drop their guard, you know, and kind of you know,
it's kind of like was a Samson and Delilah, you know,
(06:16):
you know, the head resting in her lap, you know,
stroking his hair and that sort of thing, and outcomes
a knife, you know, off comes locks. You know. I
don't know, I don't know if that's a good analogy
or not, but well, it's one of these things.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, yeah, in this case. You know, the thing is
is that she's accused of killing him. Now it's more
than just an accusation, and because Joe last year, Devin
Michaels actually leaded guilty to a second degree murder charge
(06:51):
and decided after admitting everything and that she didn't want
to go through with that, so she changed her plea
too not guilty and took it to trial after already
having been guaranteed a sentence of less than fifteen years.
And then she took it back to court. So that's
why they're in trial. That's actually why we've covered this story.
(07:13):
I say we in the other shows that we do,
this story has popped up a couple of times because
of that. You know, she pled it down. It was
all over and now it's back. I just won't go away.
But in this particular case, how did you do it, Devin?
How did you kill your husband? I was giving a
massage and I don't know what happened. I don't remember
(07:38):
hitting him. I don't remember, you know. That's how she started.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Joe.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, we've got a body here, a body. And by
the way, I gotta ask you about this, Joe, that
police found Jonathan Willett deceased with chemicals poured over his
body and no head. Now, his body was discovered by
his Mom. If you want to get even weirder, you know,
(08:06):
we already have the We already have the husband and
the wife and the step son who's married and he's
the ex husband, and the one in the middle is
on the right, and the one on the oppos an
all Night DJ and the one of his rear got drafted.
I'm not really sure where we are in a Johnny
Cash song. Yeah what happened, Joe?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah? Can we? I got to tell you, I I'd
love to drift back to this idea of of the
chemicals that when you know, the police first arrived and
this is in the wake of Mama finding it, you
imagine how horrible. This is, absolutely horrible. I got to
(08:45):
tell you I've actually seen the photo, oh, the photo
of his body. Yeah. Now, I'd covered it on I'm
not going to say which one, but I have covered
it on a couple of platforms, and I had access
to the image and and obviously it's this body is
without a head, and I could make out a certain
(09:07):
a few details. But one of the things that really
stood out to me, brother was the fact that he
had these kind of on the surface of his body.
He had these kind of black crusty looking spots, okay,
like where your chest would be, all right, And when
(09:31):
the EMTs arrived at the scene, and there's actually this
is kind of powerful. There's actually cop video, like the
body cam, and you can see one of the EMTs
standing at the bed and he's got his hand over
(09:51):
his face like this, and I'm for those I'm acting
like I'm on television with you guys right now, But
hand over the nose in the mouth. It's not I mean,
EMTs see everything, you know, They're not like a cop.
You know, EMTC things that will haunt your nightmares, all right,
and generally it's with the living. So it's not like
he's in shock. It's that the air was noxious in
(10:14):
this environment. It turns out that both bleach and ammonia
were mixed and they were poured over his body and
they actually stated that there was smoke or fume. Well
smoke is the way they're described it rising up from
(10:37):
the body. So you're talking about you're in an environment
with a noxious gas. Bleach is very very dangerous stuff,
particularly when mixed with ammonia, you know, and they're both
and this happens a lot because people will try to
really you know, really I'm doing air quotes really clean
an area. You know, you're gonna want your bleach, You're
(10:57):
gonna want you And those are common things that are
used to clean houses with. Well, you create a form
of chlorine gas. And I've actually, you know, Dave, I've
actually been in the midst of a spill in a
more going time where this happened, and it wasn't ammonia.
It was actually a form of formaldehyde that we have,
(11:19):
what's called formuline. We use it to preserve organs with
and there was bleach that was intermixed in this stuff
and it created that I couldn't breathe in this environment,
was burning my throat. So in an attempt to clean
up the scene, because this scene is markedly bloody, as
you can imagine, she's trying to apply this mixture apparently
(11:41):
either to clean the body or eradicate any evidence that
something has happened here. And you've got these individuals at
the scene, and this gives you an idea anytime you
have an EMS, a police, firefighter, whomever, walk onto a
scene that you never know what you're going to walk into,
because you're literally walking into the midst of somebody else's crazy.
(12:04):
Just keep that in mind. You're talking about a lady
who bought her own admission, has committed a murder, and
has in fact removed the head of the man that
is the father of her children, Dave. So I've wondered
about that. Hopefully, I hope that no one was permanently injured.
(12:26):
I'm sure that some of them have without the head. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
the guy that didn't survive her. But you know, you've
got the mom that's in there, and you've got all
these public servants that are walking through this area. You know.
The thing about that gas, Dave, is that it will
literally burn the mucoid lining of of your throat, your airway,
(12:47):
and if it gets into your lungs and really create
a problem. So it gives you the idea. And we
see this a lot with these kind of cases where
people get in midstream and they're doing something horrible like this,
and they don't know what they're doing. But what we
do know is that confusion and evil rules.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
A day, Brother, David.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I didn't know if I was going to tell you
about the image, but I felt like I needed to
just let you know that I had seen it. And
it appears to me because the image was kind of
Have you seen these images that are sent to you
every now and then, and they're like second and kind
of third generation images, you know, they're they're kind of digitized.
(13:47):
It's hard to fully appreciate. Oh yeah, you know a
lot of details. It's not like the stuff that we
take at autopsy or at crime scenes where you've got
this uber clarity with it. But I could sworn, I
could have sworn that I could see a portion of
his spine, you know, when you're looking literally at the
(14:08):
point where his head was separated from his body, and
it's kind of fascinating. I'm actually teaching a course right
now at jack State in Clandestine Graves, and we're literally
in the last week of class right now. I'm so thankful.
(14:29):
Well literally, it's been a long semester and we're doing
one of our favorite topics right now. We're talking about
dismemberment and all these sorts of things and what people
do with bodies, you know, and how they deposit them.
And you see this many times kind of acted out
or portrayed, where people will use whatever tools are at
(14:53):
their disposal and the evidence is left behind. Many times,
the evidence is left behind in the form of like bone,
dust or you know, tissue. And in this case, Dave,
you would not believe how much blood was left behind
because his body. Just so you know, if folks at
(15:14):
home will imagine you're laying on a bed with your
shoulder blades touching the mattress, okay, and the mattress is
kind of bear beneath you and your head if in
this case, if this gentleman still had his head would
be hanging off of the side of the bed. So
it's like in a position. And please remind me to
(15:36):
tell to tell our friends about the position itself, because
it's something we actually use at autopsy. His head is
laying off the bed, and Dave, the mattress itself is
just like super saturated in blood. And then you can
see the carpet, it's surface beneath it, it's super saturated.
(15:57):
And folks will ask as many times, well, how much
blood was there? The problem, yeah, all of it, thank you.
The problem is is that you can't measure that. You
can't measure it because it's like, you know, how how
would you measure the volume of blood in a mattress? Okay,
(16:20):
Because it's it's literally soaked through. You could never extricate
it from there and then put it in a vial.
And one of the terms and this is actually what
wound up being his cause of death day, it's it's
non specific homicidal violence. You know, you know that, you
know that, you know that there has been a homicide
(16:40):
committed here. Obviously you've got a headless body. There's a
copious amount of blood. And here's what most of the
time pathologists will say. They will say that the amount
of blood that you can see at the scene is
actually incompatible with life, right, and it's because it's super saturated.
(17:01):
And as you get down to the carpet, you look
at the carpet there. As we know, if you have
carpet floors, unless you've really skimped and didn't spend your money,
you're going to have a pad, a carpet pad beneath
the actual carpet. So it's literally going to soak through
all those stuff. It would be an impossible feat to
measure all of that volume blood that came out of
(17:22):
this guy's bed, this guy's body.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know, as you are saying that, I'm thinking about
this poor guy's mom you know victim here, Jonathan will
It and his think about this as somebody who is
the mother of two of your children that is accused
of doing this, Devin might Now I want to back
up to the morning of August seventh, at about eight
(17:46):
forty in the morning, the police in Henderson, Nevada, get
a call from a woman stating she found her son,
Jonathan Willet in his bed and she believed that he
was dead. Now, you know the condition of the body,
(18:06):
you know what she saw, but she could not bring
herself to say what she actually saw, so I believe
he's dead. Now officers arrive and I pulled the police
report because I wanted to see how they described it.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
And you know what, Joe.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
They discovered that his head had been severed from his
body and was not in the room. They also smelled
those chemicals bleach and ammonia, and in the police report
says they believed those chemicals had been applied to the
(18:43):
body because smoke was rising from the body. Now the
body's wrapped in plastic or cloth and in bed, and
I'm thinking of this poor mother. Now she's got this
body of her son without a head. Yeah, and she
(19:04):
has to call for help, and she then describes because
now she's got to sit down with cops because it's
her house and she has to describe what's been happening here,
because hey, man, you called us, you're the finder. We're
looking at you first. Oh yeah, and that's when she
starts describing mister Jonathan Willett's ex wife, the mother of
(19:27):
his two daughters, and that she's The last time she
saw her son was at ten o'clock the night before,
and about one o'clock in the morning, she hears Devin
washing dishes in the kitchen, so she goes and hey,
what's going on? Just washing dish? She goes, oh, yeah,
I put Jonathan to bed. He's drunk. We're going to
leave early in the morning. Don't worry about us. We
(19:48):
got to register of the girls for school. And so
Mom's like, okay, goes back. At three o'clock in the morning,
she hears dogs barking. It's like, what the heck, but
she doesn't go check on it because well, you know,
goes back to sleep, and it's then at eight forty
when she finally goes down and finds the body. So
we kind of have a timetable of when it probably
happened it, say, ten pm to one am basically in
(20:11):
that time period. Otherwise you've got Devin Michael's washing her
hands with the dishes, assuming she's washing blood, because as
you have explained on many occasions, trying to dismember a
body is a big undertaking, and in this case, she
told police she's giving him a massage and hits him
with a candlestick type object. Now, Joe, how quickly if
(20:36):
you're laying there and I'm assuming laying face down on
a table bed whatever, right, and you're getting a massage,
you're kind of relaxed, your guard is down, and then
you get hit on the head. How many times is
your melon going to get whacked before you're really not
able to respond physically?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know that's going to be very much depended depended upon,
for off, the force that's applied by the subject that's
wielding the instrument, also the weight of the instrument. You know,
how much force can they deliver, and of course that
force is going to be translated into the object flying
(21:16):
through the air. And then if the if it's if
it's like if you I don't know, do you remember
Pier one? Pier one shops. If you go in like
an old pier One shop, and do you remember they
used to have all the stuff from like they'd have
stuff from India and the Far East, you know, And
I always felt like it was probably made in like,
(21:38):
you know, Hoboken, New Jersey or something. It really wasn't
from those locations anyway. They've got candlesticks, right or or
candle holders. How heavy could one of those things be?
So my thought is unless it's something that weighed, like
(21:59):
the weight would have to be measured in pounds as
opposed to ounces, you know, like a baseball bat, it
would have to have significant weight for it to be
a single strike. I think that she would have had
to have hit him, probably multiple times. Here's another interesting
thing about blunt force trauma, Dave, is that let's just say,
(22:21):
for instance, you have some weirdo kind of candle holder
or something like this. It's got these like real prominent
edges to it. Well, now that that structure is now
part of it goes to the lethality of this thing.
So if it's got like a protuberance on the side
(22:43):
of it, and it's got weight behind it, and that
protuberance is being driven down like a point, like a
metal point, and you can penetrate the cranial vault with it.
One strike might do it, but it's hard to imagine
that a single strike is going to kill this guy,
even if he's laid out. So my question is, and
(23:04):
I think that this is one of the big mysteries
surrounding this Dave. First off, they don't have a weapon
and they ain't got a head. So how are you
going to how are you going to arrive at any
kind of scientific conclusion, you know, about what actually happened
or how it actually went down, because you know, one
(23:27):
of the things that we do in the Morgue day
is to try to understand understand the dynamics of the
event that led up, you know, the fatal event. How
energy is transferred from say, for instance, either firearm into
the body of a victim that shot, or from the
hand and the arm of the perpetray that's wielding the instrument,
(23:48):
or the shape of the instrument like a knife. You
have to try to understand all of that to kind
of get an idea of how many strikes did it
take and also how long did they live because depended
upon upon the degree of the injury itself, you can
(24:09):
get an idea of well, what was damaged within within
the skull, what areas of the brain were impacted, and
were there any specific vessels that were disrupted. And also,
you know, I'd mentioned just a moment ago, and I
think this is kind of fascinating the amount of blood
that you have there. How much of that blood was
(24:33):
actually from the event of him being struck or how
much of it was the postmortem flow relative to his
head being removed from his shoulders. When I saw this
guy's body, you know, the first thing I thought about
is in the morgue. One of the things that we do,
(24:56):
and I don't know folks are aware of this, but
I'm going ahead and tell you. Did you know that
we block the bodies And what that means is that
there is a rubber We call it a block, but
there is a rubber rubber device that we use, and
(25:16):
it's got four points on it and it's real heavy rubber,
and we can either and it's got two aspects to it.
You can flip it over and put it under the
neck and it holds the neck in place so that
we can literally open the head. You can flip it
over and it's got these four points that look like
the legs of a table, and you can stand it
(25:39):
up on the little legs and then put it directly
beneath the shoulder blades, and it does what it's called
hyper extends the body. So when you hyper extend the
body and you make that initial incision into the chest,
the chest literally opens up so that you can see everything.
You can see all of the all of the viscera,
(26:03):
the organ groups, everything, you can fully appreciate it. I
got to tell you, I got to tell you when
I was looking at his body, she had actually, in
her own way, hyper extended his body off the edge
of that bed so she could get access to his neck.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
David, Oh my god, I know, so that she could
get access to his neck, because that, you know, if
you think about, just think about, just think about with
your head and everybody's done it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
At some point in time, with your head laying off
the back, off the side of the bed, your neck
kind of bulges up like this and your shoulders kind
of contract a bit, and so it literally opens up
this area on the antier or the front of the neck,
so that you can get access to that area if
you want to use a sharp instrument on it, and somehow,
(26:53):
some way she thought that this was the best way
to do it. I got to tell you, if I
didn't have a block like I have in the morgue,
and I was interested in trying to remove somebody's head,
I don't know, man, that might be the road I
was going to go down. And it's like instinctively she
knew how to do that, you know, back a few
(27:25):
years ago. I think it was actually twenty eighteen, I
actually covered this trial live on air. I was on
Long Crime Network. And I don't know if you remember
Judge Scanderto. He had been a judge. I think it
was in Michigan and he had moved to Florida, and
he had moved to Florida and he was down there
(27:49):
and kept company with his son who also lived down there.
The son was an attorney, had a drug problem. Turns
out that this elderly, elderly judge had a drug problem
as well, if you can imagine this, And anyway, story
went that they thought the son had killed the dad,
(28:12):
but what had happened was apparently the judge, this elderly
judge had a cardiac arrest that was probably brought on
by all things, Dave, cocaine usage. So he's doing below
with his son, and the son panics, all right, he's
(28:33):
got the drug. I think he probably had the drug
paranoia thing going on. Decides to get out, go to
the shed and get and get some sharp some sharp instruments.
Cut dad's head off. And they've still to this very day,
they still have yet to have found this father's head. Wow.
(28:55):
And there was like a retention you know how in
Florida they have all these retention ponds, all like part
complexes and all that stuff, and it me his body
was found like and they've still to this day they've
never found his head. Think about it. There's all kinds
of creepy crawlies in those retention problems in Florida. There's
no telling where the guy's head actually wound up. But
the sun was not. He was not found guilty of
(29:16):
a homicide, but he was found guilty of, you know,
like abusing a corps. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. But
with this case, we've we've got a bona fide homicide here,
Dave and.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Somebody missing head. Right, Yes, you admitted doing it, saying
she hit him over the head. Now, there was something
kind of telling in her statement to believe. She said
that she hit him with a candlestick like object, and
that told me it was a heavy object. I don't
know why that's what I thought, but you know, something
that long heavy and hit him. And she said that
(29:51):
she hit him and his arms stopped moving, right, And
I started thinking, well, okay, she hit him, because that
was that's a pretty dramatic thing. He's not struggling, He's
not like she didn't hit him and he struggled, you know,
she didn't hit him a little bit and he fought back.
She hit him and his armed stopped moving. Is there
(30:15):
a place you can hit somebody on the head that
would bring them right away like that?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah? Okay, yeah, particularly Okay, let's just say, and this
is just my opinion, there's a reason like when you
have these you know kind of you think about people
that are publicly executed, right or not publicly, you know,
when you have like mass executions and they shoot people
(30:42):
in the back of the head or like you know
the scene, you know, leave the gun and take the
Canoli's and Godfather shot in the back of the head, right,
that's pollie. Was that Paulie. I think it was Polly
that was shot. Yeah, Polly was shot. Yeah, Polli was shot.
And so there's a reason because back there, in that
particular kular or posterior region of the brain, you're controlling
(31:04):
motor functions back there, and so I would say that, yeah,
I think that that that would be possible. But it's
fascinating the statement that she would make that he stopped
moving his arms. So why was he moving his arms
in the beginning? Was she actually in a struggle with him?
And she grabs the scene and brains him with it.
(31:26):
By the way, I love the fact that you use
that term. I haven't heard that term in years. Uh.
And she brains him with that, Yeah, you're you're right,
he's he's his arms are not going to move him.
The question is is that did she kill him with
that blow or did she just knock him unconscious? And
(31:48):
this is something else I've never had an opportunity to,
you know, kind of tell people this on one of
these episodes. Have you ever seen in the old the
old pictures, somebody will will take a pistol in some
kind of movie and they like walk up behind somebody
and strike somebody in the back of the head and
they automatically drop. It's like a theater device, you know. Yeah,
(32:11):
it generally doesn't work that way. There's an awareness you've
been struck. It's like what you do man, you know
like that, and you I guess there are those those times,
particularly if you've got the right instrument, you could hit
somebody hard enough that you would kill them instantly. The
line's share of people that you hit in the head
are going to be aware that they've been hit and
(32:31):
they're going to start to fight. And I really wonder
if that might be what happened here. But I keep
going back to this day. This is we've covered so
many this memory cases. I've never I don't think you
and I have worked one or covered one where someone
(32:52):
has taken the head and they've just they you know,
exit stage left, you know, with the head and it's gone.
I really tried to think this through because what they're
saying about this case is they don't have an instrument.
That's what she said she used, and we don't have
a head, right, So.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
There's some John R. Vidy consider too, Joe, because see
he was living at home with his mom. Jonathan will
it was yeah, his wife, Devin was living with their
two daughters and her husband, her ex husband, step son,
her step son. Okay, now they're living together, she tells police.
(33:37):
It's an insurance thing. We're not really married, like in
love married. It's an insurance thing. It's the only reason.
And of course they saw through that pretty quickly. You know,
that broke down. So she's having a sexual affair with
her step son, which by the way, began when she
was living as husband and wife with having two children
with her husband, the father of her boyfriend. She's doing
(34:02):
both of them at the same time. Dad and her
step son. Now what happened is this Devon and Jonathan.
They broke up. Devon and her stepson moved in together,
and and Jonathan decided to live back together a husband
(34:26):
and wife and raise their children together. But her stepson,
her husband, her ex husband son, he's not happy about
that because he and his dad are not on great terms.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
And so really, I can't.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And I want to be very careful here because when
you when you look at a case like this, there
are so many horrible I think about the mom finding
her son's body, you know, I think about that, I
think about these two daughters now who have to grow
up knowing that our mom killed our dad and she
was in a relationship with our brother alf brother.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah see that. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So anyway, through all of that, they never found the head.
But what happened is while the police are talking to her,
they hook her up to polygraph because they were like,
what was why were you there at the house? Where
were you headed? And you know, Jonathan was going to
move back into the home she shared with his son
and their daughters, and she decided she wanted it generally
(35:35):
kill him.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
She just wanted to hurt him.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Enough to go in the hospital to buy her a
few extra days to try to get things smoothed over
at home with her boyfriend or his son so they
could all live together. That was her plan, just get
him in the hospital so he's out of my way
for a little while, because he was planning on moving
into their house together right then and it was too fast.
She didn't want that. So they couldn't find his head.
(35:58):
They hook her up the polygraph. They're asked all these
questions and it's during one of these questions that they
actually see the needles jump. Okay, now, when they're asking
you questions on a polygraph and you have his significant reaction,
they know something's up. I'm not saying polygraph for one
hundred percent accurate, but they're probably ninety percent accurate. And
(36:19):
when you have a severe reaction, they know they're onto something.
And the reason they were onto something is they found
Jonathan Willett, the dead man with no head, is wallet, keys,
sell security card, and his phone with his blood on
it at Devin Michael's home. And her significant reaction was
when they asked her if she participated in the death
(36:41):
of Jonathan Willett, and there was something that happened during
one of other interviews with Police Joe. During that first interview,
they asked her what happened, and she said, well, there's
this trash truck that was backing up and it just
picked up tracks. You have a beeping noise when the trash.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Trucks backing up, peep peep peep, and.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
She looks at the truck out the window and goes, yeah,
got it, then went bye bye. She said that to
the police as the trash truck, so they figured she
put her head in the trash can, put his head
in the trash can, and then threw it away.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah. I think that she actually spirited the head out
of the house, like in a basket or something, and essentially,
you know, like you said, dumps the head into a
trash receptacle. And you know that the truck is always
it's like magic. The truck is always going to come
by and pick up anything. And here's the problem. They
(37:34):
probably know where the head is, but that head wound
up in a landfill. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is body Bags.
Host
Joseph Scott Morgan
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