July 11, 2023 • 34 mins
Konrad Imirowicz becomes the unfortunate victim of an explosive family dispute, enduring devastating and life-altering injuries that encompass his entire body from head to toe.
His prolonged suffering and eventual death are caused by an unsuspecting household item: lye soap. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dive into a chilling case surrounding the brutal death of Konrad Imirowicz, allegedly at the hands of his daughter, Megan, on her 18th birthday. As they unveil the shocking crime scene, Morgan and Mack navigate the intricate dynamics within the Imirowicz family, shedding light on Megan's discontent and the tragic escalation of a family dispute into murder.
With a focus on the damning evidence, they provide a glimpse into courtroom proceedings and the bone-chilling verdict.
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Time-coded Highlights:
[00:00:20] Joseph Scott Morgan shares a nostalgic memory about his grandmother's butter churn and scrub board, unraveling the historical importance of lye, commonly used in soap-making, setting the stage for the episode's focus.
[00:02:20] Introduction of the dreadful case of Konrad Imirowicz and Megan Joyce Imirowicz, setting the stage for the familial dynamics in the case.
[00:04:53] Discussion on the harsh reality of chemical burns and their often irreversible effects.
[00:10:00] Reflection on the shock experienced by medical personnel while treating severely burned Konrad, and discussion on the turbulent family dynamics, revealing Konrad's drinking problem and its impact on Megan's birthday.
[00:12:31] Mack discloses the horrific aftermath of the lye attack, painting a haunting picture of Konrad covered in drain cleaner.
[00:17:00] The psychological implications for Megan are discussed, highlighting her decision not to return to the crime scene and instead send her friend.
[00:18:20] Morgan talks about the possibility of the victim being hit with multiple items, and how this contrasts with the actual crime scene evidence, focusing on a large plastic container and the presence of a white powder.
[00:20:00] The discussion turns to the victim's state of consciousness.
[00:26:00] A shocking revelation is made about Megan's behavior post-incident, displaying a lack of concern for her father's critical condition.
[00:27:20] Mack reveals an overheard conversation that brings the Michigan State Police into the picture.
[00:28:00] Morgan and Mack dissect the improbability of Megan's defense, casting doubt on her innocence.
[00:32:40] The host explains the contributing factors to Konrad's death, highlighting his compromised health conditions.
[00:33:40] Megan Imirowicz's guilt is confirmed, with potential life imprisonment looming.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Anyone that's read my
memoir Blood Beneath My Feet, Journey of a Southern Death Investigator,
you may remember the name Pearl. Pearl's my grandmother and
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she practically raised me. I miss her every single day
of my life. Now. There are two things that Pearl
kept on hand that tie her back to her childhood,
and she was very proud of these items, kept them
in the house. One was her mother's butter churn. I'll
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never forget it. She wasn't one of these grandmothers that
would say don't touch that. She would actually encourage you.
And I would ask her questions about it all the time.
How did this work? Did you do it? Did you
ever use it? And she'd tell me about milk and
cows and that sort of thing and churning butter. But
the other thing that she had was a scrub board.
And many people don't know what a scrub board is,
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but a scrubboard is something that you would actually do
your laundry on. You would wash the laundry and then
you'd boil it many times, and then you'd scrub it
out with a bar soap, and that bar soap was
not something you went down to a supermarket, because where
my grandmother lived, there were no supermarkets where she grew up.
As a matter of fact, she still remembers the night
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till the day she died. You remember the night that
World War One ended, because the men rode up and
down the streets of their little village on horses, firing
pistols in the air to celebrate the end of the war.
And it was a simpler time. But they had to
make their own soap, and they made their own soap
(01:53):
by using lye lye. And the case that we're going
to discuss today involves lie, this chemical substance, and it
might be one of the most horrific ways that I
have covered regarding the death of someone. The long languishing
(02:18):
death of a man who had what appears to be
lie applied to his body. Five months he lingered before
he finally died. Today, we're going to talk about the
homicide allegedly committed at the hands of a man's daughter.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks day, back
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when my grandmother would talk about having to produce lie
soap in their little village that they lived in in
the backwoods North Louisiana, where by the way, there were
no improved roads where she lived. It was essentially very
few people had cars. They still use wagons that sort
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of thing. Even into her teen years, it was nothing
for them to see that horses up and down the streets.
Didn't get electricity until the thirties. There were really no
stores to go to buy soap as we think of
it today. They would have to produce this at home,
and there's a very specific formula. But you know, I
(03:29):
even remember as a small child my grandmother talking about
how dangerously soap was and the production of ly soap,
and she had even mentioned that her mother had gotten
burned a couple of times by making ly soap, and
so it has always kind of hung in the back
of my mind why people would choose to use the substance.
(03:51):
But it was highly effective. Matter of fact, it's been
stated by many people that there was no kind of
clean like the clean you would have on clothing that
had undergone treatment. Would lie lie soap in order to
get rid of stains and freshen things up and that
sort of thing. But very powerful substance.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
We're talking about Megan Joyce Immirates. She's eighteen at the time.
Her sixty four year old dad, Conrad Immirates, has mentioned
that lie soap and you broke it down as to
making line talking about how strong it is. There's no
clean like you get clean from li and I had
the same stories from my mother and grandmother as well.
(04:31):
In looking this up, found out that a lie powder
is often used in drain cleaner, so we might even
have this in our home right now. Liepowder is often
found in dream cleaner and it has the ability to
corrode things on contact, including metal, paint, cloth, and skin.
(04:52):
Here's the kicker though, Lie again lie powder. It's even
more dangerous when it's Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And you can come in contact in a powdered form.
You can come in contact with it with your skin
and you can get a mild irritation. And that happens
as a result of the substance itself comeing in contact
with the moisture that's contained on our skin. But it
really kicks into overdrop. There's actually a catalyst has to occur,
(05:26):
and the catalyst that flips the switch on this thing
is the app direct application of water as it applies
to this particular case, because without those two components, you're
not going to get the whore that actually occurred.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And to give you an idea, okay, because I had
to look it up, I didn't know. It says that
the water creates an exothermic reaction that actually causes the
temperature to increase and water that now, in particular in
this case, on the man's skin with the b and
the drink leaner, it could actually go up to two
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hundred degrees fahrenheit. Imagine that on your skin. Two hundred degrees.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Two hundred degrees. Yeah, and that's powerful stuff when you
think about it. I mean, okay, let just let's look
at it from a practical standpoint. And we're getting into summertime,
and we know what precautions we have to take when
we go outside and we're you know, maybe laying out
soun or working outside in the yard or whatever the
case might be. You go out there and you know
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how hot it is. Okay, Well, let's think about the
ambient air temperature when you step out, particularly down here
in the Deep South in the middle of summer. We're
talking about above ninety degrees, and you know how miserably
hot that can be well, think about if you had
a substance on your skin, okay, that heated up to
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two hundred degrees. It would be almost like if you
think of a a burner on a stove, thinking that
not like a gas burner. But I see that right now,
Right now, I'm visualizing the glow of a coil on
an electric electric stove. You apply your forearm or your hand,
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the palm of your hand to that, and just imagine
there's nothing you can do to quench that. There's nothing
you can do to get rid of it, because guess
what if you apply water to it, it's gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
How do you clean it up? If you've got this
just today on your arm, You've spilled a little drain
cleaner on your arm, and now you've got water mixed
in and it's starting to burn. How do you get
it off there? How do you clean it up? How
do you prevent it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
To be honest with you, it's something that an individual
would have to seek medical attention for immediately, because until
this chemical reaction actually stops, the upside. I guess if
there is an upside, as long as you're not feeding it,
feeding it with more lye and more water. It's going
to hurt, and there's nothing you can really do about it.
(07:58):
You would have to go to a physician, have to
get to an emergency room or clinic as soon as
you can so that they can stop this from happening
any further and treat the damage that's being done. Because look,
once it starts, there's really nothing that you can do
to kind of prevent it from acting out the way
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it normally acts. It's the nature of the chemical reaction
itself that is going to bring about this continued injury
that it's almost as if it is a matter of containment.
Imagine people, and we've heard a lot about these in
the news, particularly over in Europe. Of my friends over
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in Great Britain, we have these public acid attacks. Acid
is tossed on them. There's nothing you can really do
about that to get the acid off of the individual.
It's just going to have to work itself out and
hopefully you can contain it and treat the injury itself.
(09:16):
It's one thing I think for those of us that
have been burned by fire. Most people probably have or
at least you've touched something hot and you've retracted. I
remember my son when he was a little bitty thing,
he stepped on a stainless steel plate outside of a
swimming match where my daughter was competing, and he burned
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his little feet and it was on the stainless steel
plate and immediately starts screaming and he jumps off, and
I'm having to help him, but there's nothing I can
do about the burn, because the burn has already happened,
and all you can really do is treat it. And
the case of Conrad Emirates, my lord, it's hard to
(09:57):
even fathom what the personnel were faced with when they
were staring down what had occurred. I can only imagine
their shock when this guy shows up at the emergency
room and he is just riddled, I mean riddled with burns.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
To set the stage, Meghan Emirates turning eighteen, and she
had plans that day that she needed and she needed
her dad, sixty four year old Conrad Emirates to be
a part of. She had a big plan and Conrad
Emirates had a drinking issue. And I only say that
because it actually plays into what took place. Conrad Emirates
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was on the couch either passed out, and the reason
I say it comes into play is we react differently.
If you're just simply asleep and something is thrown on you,
you wake up. But when you have imbibed and now
you are a little more than just asleep, it takes
longer to react. And when Megan Emirates that morning was
(11:01):
prepared for a day. She needed to go to the salaunch,
she needed to go to the hotel to pay for
the room that she was going to have for her
eighteenth birthday party. All of this was her plan. She
was so zero in focused on it that anything that
derailed from that plan made her mad. And her dad,
Conrad Emmeriz, laying on the couch asleep, derailed her plan,
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and she was mad. She was so mad, in fact,
that she took a picture of herself crying and sent
it to a friend saying that I had so I'll
have all these plans and he just ruined them. What
happened is allegedly Megan got really mad and started throwing
stuff at her dad. She's trying to wake him up,
She's doing everything she can, and he's not waking up.
He's not responding. And depending on how you look at it,
(11:44):
and as I stated at the beginning, I tried to
figure out did she concoct this lie soap, water, poisoned, burning,
or did it just happen based on the things she
was throwing at him. We don't know. But what we
do know is that around where Conrad Emirates was laying
on the couch, there was a lot of white powder
(12:08):
that was some type of drain cleaner. There was water
splashed all over him, and there were other things there
and he Conrad Emirates said that he only remembered waking
up as the rescue squad was loading him into the ambulance,
that he didn't remember anything that took place during this.
(12:30):
And what I can fill in the blank here is
that allegedly Megan Emirates, when her dad would not get
up to take her to the salon and thento the hotel,
she got mad. She threw a bunch of stuff on him,
and then she took off anyway and was gone. He
is on the couch covered in the drain cleaner that
includedly soap and other assorted goodies, including the water that
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was burning him, and five hours later, five hours go
by and is at the hotel. She needs her dad's
pen number on his credit card so that she can
pay for her hotel room for her birthday party. And
she calls her friend next door May and her friend
goes over and she finds Conrad Emirates on the couch
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and her description, he looked very bad. He looked very
out of it. This is Kyle Busquett who discovered him.
He had burns or blood or bruises or something on
him his head, chest, hands, stomach, his legs looked green.
(13:38):
That's a direct quote from Kayleb Busquette, the neighbor that
discovered Conrad Emirates five hours after he was pummeled with
drink cleaner that had lie in it and water and
everything else. She Cayleb Busquette then calls her mother, calls
Conrad Emirate's son, Austin, and they said call nine one one,
which is exactly what Kayla Busquet does. Now, when nine
(14:02):
one one sends the ambulance, that's when Conrad Emirates wakes
up enough as they're getting him onto the ambulance. That
sets the stage for what happens next. Which Joe I
wanted to go back because the description of Conrad Emirates
is beyond anything that I can imagine that. Caleb Busquette
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said that it made her physically ill when she saw him.
She said his fingers were red and purple and this
is what got me. The fingernails. His fingernails were curled.
What would cause all of this damage? Joseph Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
A trauma response, and also it's a response, an inflammatory
response that his body is reacting to. And kind of
add another layer of horror to this is that he
had been drunk and passed out apparently, and to this
point they have not really to what his blood alcohol
(15:01):
level was. And we could go down that road for
some time about how you're doing with the issue of
chronic alcoholism in your life and you're ingesting alcohol regularly,
it's going to take more for you to say put
you in a state of being unaware of what's happening,
(15:21):
because this is trust me, this is horrible. I've had
one case in my career of suicide by drain cleaner,
actually taking I won't mention the brand, but actually taking
drain cleaner ingesting it. And what happens is that this
compound within the drain cleaner begins to work with the
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moisture within the digestive tract. It is an corrosive event
because you have to think about the purpose of the
drain cleaner. You have organic substances that are in the
drain that are blocking say in your sink and in
your kitchen or maybe your bathroom where you've got hair.
You know, it's clogging up the drains. And they sell
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this stuff so that you know you'll apply it directly
in here and it'll begin to eat away at these
organic substances. That's what it does, and it's activated by
the moisture and the in dwelling moisture. So you think
about somebody just ingesting this internally. And I remember the
one case that I had of someone ingesting the stuff,
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and when the dissection was done and opened up, I
stood there in amazement looking at the esophagus. It was
all hemorrhagic. There was an inflammatory response that was beyond
anything that I had seen in my career. The stomach
was literally eaten through because of the interaction with the
moisture within this person's system. So you've got this going
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on externally when this young lady goes there. This is
really kind of gruesome when you think about this. If
mister Emirates's daughter, Meghan was aware of what she had done,
but yet she's not going to go there and retrieve this.
She's going to ask her friend to go and do this.
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You have to sit there and kind of begin to
think about this just for a second. She's subjecting her
friend to the site that she wound up beholding in
this environment, and it would have been absolutely horrific. This
guy would have had burns, which he did, all over
his body. They would have been absolutely ghastly. There's not
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going to be any uniformity to them either. It will
look like something out of a horror movie, where you'll
have these little islands of flesh that might still be
in dwelling, that are completely surrounded by this kind of
eroded area of raw tissue that would go all the
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way down to say, the layer of the muscle. It
would have gone through probably the epidermis and down through
the dermas, through the subc fat. I've seen actually images
of live burns where you have whatever referred to as
fourth degree burns, where you get down to the level
of the skeletal structure where you can see bone. It's
(18:14):
a vicious, vicious way to die, and that brings me
to another point here. If she is alleged to have
taken and the way it's kind of framed, taken multiple items,
random items and say through them at him. Okay, people
do that out of frustration, angry. She claims that he's
(18:38):
an alcoholic. He was supposed to take her somewhere. It's
her birthday. She's fed up, she's irritated. It's one thing
if you walk in and you see maybe you picked
up a shoe or a vase or anything within reach,
and you've busted furniture and you've got not what we're
talking about. I've seen the crime scene images from here.
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You're talking about a large plastic container that the lid
has been screwed off of. And I'll tell you what
this container looks like. If you'll imagine if you go
to a big box store where you're gonna buy like
an industrial size I don't know, thing of like mayo,
like you would use in a restaurant. It's about that size.
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It's got to screw on plastic lid. This thing is open,
laying on the floor, and you can see this white
powder that's lying all about. Of course, at this point,
the body you lose context for this crimsing image because
the body is not there, but it's not like it
impacted him. And then some lie may have fallen on
him and it just got away. That's not what happened,
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as this witness has stated she saw injuries to his head,
his torso, his arms, and his legs where this guy
has been burned and his fingernails have curled up. At
this point in top because of this chemical reaction that
is occurring, he is still conscious or regains consciousness. When
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mister Emirates was actually questioned by there was an attending
physician assistant PA that was taking a history from him.
He was still lucid enough to give. He says, I
don't know what happened. I've got bugs, I think he
said bugs or fleas in my house and a bug
bomb from my house. Maybe I passed out as a
result of that. Well. As toxic as the substance of
(20:27):
a bug bomb can be, it's not going to generate
this kind of insult to the body.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Right, And that's why when he said the bug bomb thing,
I looked at that Joe and I thought, why would
he even think that? But it's because he doesn't realize
what everybody else is seeing. He doesn't. He is not
in that state of mind where he's lucid. He can talk,
but he doesn't realize how bad it is.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's fascinating. That's the thing I got to tell you
about healthcare workers. There's such you know, they throw around
the term he wrote a lot nowadays. But you look
at folks that are doing initial triage and assessment on patients.
How do you stand there as a clinician and not
whence when this man is talking to you. I mean,
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just imagine the intestinal fortitude that you have to have
as a clinician to stand there and listen to this
man and he's trying to make sense and he's probably
completely disoriented. He doesn't have a clue as to what's
going on with him. First off, with this chemical burning,
he's going to have pain, but also in some of
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these areas he'll have less pain. You know why, because
a lot of the unnervated areas are gone at this
point in time. He's not going to sense how bad
maybe it is. And so this clinician is standing there
trying to take the measure of what they're seeing. This
is not like the typical kind of thing that a
clinician is going to see every day. Now. They see burns,
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don't get me wrong, don't mail in. They see burns
on a regular basis, but to this degree, it's not
a traditional thermal burn like you see with direct heat.
This chemical reaction that has taken place, and it is
one of the most horrific things I think that any
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physician or any PA or nurse practitioner nurse could bear
witness to. But here's the thing. Mister Emmertence's life didn't
end there in the emergency room. He languished on ICU
for almost five months. I hated working burn cases. A
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hated fire deaths. They were horrific. Some of the terrible
things I've ever borne witnessed to as a medical legal
death invest scare war burns, and they come in all
shapes and sizes. I've had people burned in car accidents
that died obviously, house fires, I've had people that were
set on fire. But there's something about it. It's the
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treatment that people that live through the initial thermal assault,
that treatment course that they have to go through. If
you've never seen it, it is unbelievable and it's excruciatingly painful.
One of the things that many people are not aware of.
When people are burned, one of the first things that
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clinicians really have to watch very carefully are your kidneys,
because the kidneys begin to fail many times and you
can't process waste liquid waste in particular out of the body.
As a matter of fact, burn victims begin to swell.
They swell so much, and this is really gruesome. But
physicians will have to make long linear incisions over the
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surface of the body, running north and south. The do
it down the legs, the do it down the arms,
the dude down the abdomen. So it would be nothing
to see someone come off of a burn unit that
had thirty thirty five incisions running great links over the
surface of the remains. And this is done in an
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attempt to keep the skin from actually splitting. That's how
painful this is. And I don't know if I can
express it in any stronger terms, but mister Emirate's Dave,
he endured for five months.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I think when we first got this story, I looked
at it because I didn't really know what we were
getting into, and as I was reading through it, I
didn't grasp it with a first read through. It was
the second time when I started trying to figure out
about the lie and the water, because I don't know.
I was in my head. I was thinking what I
have in the house. But then I read her brother
(25:04):
Austin Emerates. I read what he said about the couch
and I saw the picture. But when I saw his
description of the amount of powder around the couch, because
on the couch you mentioned that we didn't see. We
don't have pictures of Conrad Emerits on the couch in misery.
We see the couch after the fact, and you can
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see where he was laying because there's no powder there.
The powder is all around it, especially at one end
that appears to be where his head might have been,
and there's a lot of white powder. And assuming that
that is from the drain cleaner that had the lie
in it, that's a huge volume that wasn't on his body.
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And based on the injuries, he had a lot going on.
But one thing that really struck me, Joe, and this
is what I need to get this out. Megan Emirates
was celebrating her eighteenth birthday, and there's some discrepancy here.
I've seen some reports saying that her birthday had been
two days before, others saying it was that day. It's
(26:06):
really not germane to the topic. It's just a matter
of clarity. But she was having a party, her eighteenth
birthday party to celebrate, and part of that celebration was
a hotel room and she needed her dad's credit card
number and pen number to pay for the room. And
so when she called her friend, Kayla Busqutt, next door neighbor,
to go and get the credit card number. And that's
(26:28):
when Kyle Buskett finds Conrad Emirates in dire straits and
calls nine to one one. Well, when Megan Emirates is
reaching back out to Kayla Busqutt, she calls her because
she still wants the credit card number, she wants the
pin number or what have you. And when she calls
Kayla Busqutt, Kayla Busquette is at the hospital with Megan
(26:49):
emirates father because of the damage that had been done
to Conrad Emirates. And she tells Megan on the phone,
she's I told her, this is a direct quote from
calea busquet quote. I told her we were at the hospital,
her dad was in the hospital. And she hung up
(27:10):
on me hung up when she found out that what
she had done to her dad caused him to be
in the hospital. What we also know is a nurse
allegedly overheard Conrad Emerets telling his son, Austin Emirates, that
Meghan was the one who caused his injuries, and the
Michigan State Police was then called in because of what
the nurse overheard. They interviewed Meghan Emirates at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Not at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right, not there with her dad, but at the hotel
where she's going to have her party that her dad's
paying for.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, and the fact that she has admitted to allegedly
taking these items and multiple items and throwing them at him,
it doesn't stand up, I think logically when you begin
to look at this.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh, by the way, Joe, I believed that story. I
believed her when she said she threw a bunch of
stuff at him until you explained earlier what had to
have taken place, and then I went, oh, this was
way more direct than I thought.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, there's actually a switch that has to be flipped
chemically here in order to initialize this chemical reaction. Let's
just look at it this way. You take this substance
and you distribute it over an area and then you
activate it with water. That's simply what happens. And I
was thinking when I was reading through this, I was
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thinking one of the things that arson investigators look at
by the way that I think arson investigators are some
of the unsung professionals that are out there in forensics,
and people don't normally refer to them as forensic scientists.
I submit that I think that they're fantastic forensic people.
But that aside. When arson investigators look at say fires
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that are set and they're in a home, for instance,
in a structure, they look for what to referred to
as splash patterns. Say if someone takes a can of
gasoline and kind of throws it, it spreads it all
over room. You can actually see where the fire tracks
as a result of the pattern, this liquid splash pattern.
You're radio guy, Dave, you look at you guys have
(29:11):
all of these monitors and things you look at. You've
seen kind of sound waves before, and for me not
being that's not the way my mind works. That's I'm
trying to make it in my simple way. It looks
like a wave pattern many times, and you'll see all
these really weird patterns, you know, that come out relative
to the distribution of saying accelerant like gasoline, where a
(29:34):
match is applied and it'll burn and you'll see the
margins of it. With this, it's not exactly the same. However,
you begin to think about distribution of the substance of
this drain cliner over the surface of the body of
the skin, and you know that this is not something
where say, for instance, okay, let's just give people the
(29:56):
benefit of the doubt. Let's just say that he had
a bit of it that wound up on the back
of his hand. Okay, and then somehow miraculously water got
applied to it and he was burned in that one area. Okay,
I'll go we did there, logically, we'll have that discussion.
But when you talk about his hands, his head, his torso,
(30:19):
his legs, you know that that is not quite as randomized. Say,
for instance, if you just come in contact with it
and get it wet on your hand, because what are
you going to do, well, automatically, you're going to retract
from it. It's something that's going to be very unpleasant.
You're not going to want anything to do with it. No, no, no, no,
that's that's not what we're seeing here. Manifesting physically. You've
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got this distribution from literally head to toe with him.
But unfortunately with mister Emmerds, he no longer had toes.
Do you know why, Dave, Because as a result of
being subjected to this kind of trauma after he is
in ICU and he's being true and it's a twenty
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four hour of course with him, and they had to
bilaterally amputate his legs, so both legs were literally taken
off surgically. And that's how extensive this was. Not only
that we talked about the contact surfaces with this event
involving this substance. Did you know that one of the
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other things that can happen is to inhale inhale this
stuff as well? And as we found out from the
medical examiner in mister Emmertz's case, his lungs were damaged.
He actually had to have a track in place to
help him breathe. So now that he's in intensive care,
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they've had to place a breathing tube in his throat.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Is that what the track is? When you say trake, okay,
that's a breathing tube.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, and it goes actually right in the mid line
of the throat. So if you'll find if people anatomically,
if you'll find where that little cartilations body some people
refer to as Adam's apple, just inferior to that, they'll
make an incision in there and they'll insert this breathing
to and so he's having to have help just merely
to survive. And of course, the big thing that happens
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with people that are burned is that they're going to
kidney failure, and that's the kiss of death. As he
is being treated in the hospital, one of the other
things that's going on with him, he's in a state
of kidney failure all the time. So now this man
has had to go on to dialysis, which is further
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impacted by the fact that if we are to believe
what we have heard that he had a problem with
chronic alcohol consumption, his kidneys may have already been compromised
to a great degree. It wouldn't be like a guy
that's walking around just on a daily basis with a
healthy set of kidneys. Okay, So he's got a lot
of things that are working against him at this point
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in time. The nature of This death is not there's
no hint of mercy here. It's not like it was quick.
This is a long, slow, agonizing death. Right now, His daughter, Meghan, nineteen,
of Groveland Township in Oakland County, Michigan, has been found guilty.
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She's been found guilty of murdering her father by use
of harmful devices, irritants causing death, and domestic violence. Her
trial only took four days. She faces up to life
imprisonment when she is sentenced. That sentencing is scheduled for
July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan
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and this is bodybacks
Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Anyone that's read my
memoir Blood Beneath My Feet, Journey of a Southern Death Investigator,
you may remember the name Pearl. Pearl's my grandmother and
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she practically raised me. I miss her every single day
of my life. Now. There are two things that Pearl
kept on hand that tie her back to her childhood,
and she was very proud of these items, kept them
in the house. One was her mother's butter churn. I'll
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never forget it. She wasn't one of these grandmothers that
would say don't touch that. She would actually encourage you.
And I would ask her questions about it all the time.
How did this work? Did you do it? Did you
ever use it? And she'd tell me about milk and
cows and that sort of thing and churning butter. But
the other thing that she had was a scrub board.
And many people don't know what a scrub board is,
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but a scrubboard is something that you would actually do
your laundry on. You would wash the laundry and then
you'd boil it many times, and then you'd scrub it
out with a bar soap, and that bar soap was
not something you went down to a supermarket, because where
my grandmother lived, there were no supermarkets where she grew up.
As a matter of fact, she still remembers the night
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till the day she died. You remember the night that
World War One ended, because the men rode up and
down the streets of their little village on horses, firing
pistols in the air to celebrate the end of the war.
And it was a simpler time. But they had to
make their own soap, and they made their own soap
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by using lye lye. And the case that we're going
to discuss today involves lie, this chemical substance, and it
might be one of the most horrific ways that I
have covered regarding the death of someone. The long languishing
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death of a man who had what appears to be
lie applied to his body. Five months he lingered before
he finally died. Today, we're going to talk about the
homicide allegedly committed at the hands of a man's daughter.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks day, back
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when my grandmother would talk about having to produce lie
soap in their little village that they lived in in
the backwoods North Louisiana, where by the way, there were
no improved roads where she lived. It was essentially very
few people had cars. They still use wagons that sort
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of thing. Even into her teen years, it was nothing
for them to see that horses up and down the streets.
Didn't get electricity until the thirties. There were really no
stores to go to buy soap as we think of
it today. They would have to produce this at home,
and there's a very specific formula. But you know, I
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even remember as a small child my grandmother talking about
how dangerously soap was and the production of ly soap,
and she had even mentioned that her mother had gotten
burned a couple of times by making ly soap, and
so it has always kind of hung in the back
of my mind why people would choose to use the substance.
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But it was highly effective. Matter of fact, it's been
stated by many people that there was no kind of
clean like the clean you would have on clothing that
had undergone treatment. Would lie lie soap in order to
get rid of stains and freshen things up and that
sort of thing. But very powerful substance.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
We're talking about Megan Joyce Immirates. She's eighteen at the time.
Her sixty four year old dad, Conrad Immirates, has mentioned
that lie soap and you broke it down as to
making line talking about how strong it is. There's no
clean like you get clean from li and I had
the same stories from my mother and grandmother as well.
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In looking this up, found out that a lie powder
is often used in drain cleaner, so we might even
have this in our home right now. Liepowder is often
found in dream cleaner and it has the ability to
corrode things on contact, including metal, paint, cloth, and skin.
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Here's the kicker though, Lie again lie powder. It's even
more dangerous when it's Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And you can come in contact in a powdered form.
You can come in contact with it with your skin
and you can get a mild irritation. And that happens
as a result of the substance itself comeing in contact
with the moisture that's contained on our skin. But it
really kicks into overdrop. There's actually a catalyst has to occur,
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and the catalyst that flips the switch on this thing
is the app direct application of water as it applies
to this particular case, because without those two components, you're
not going to get the whore that actually occurred.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And to give you an idea, okay, because I had
to look it up, I didn't know. It says that
the water creates an exothermic reaction that actually causes the
temperature to increase and water that now, in particular in
this case, on the man's skin with the b and
the drink leaner, it could actually go up to two
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hundred degrees fahrenheit. Imagine that on your skin. Two hundred degrees.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Two hundred degrees. Yeah, and that's powerful stuff when you
think about it. I mean, okay, let just let's look
at it from a practical standpoint. And we're getting into summertime,
and we know what precautions we have to take when
we go outside and we're you know, maybe laying out
soun or working outside in the yard or whatever the
case might be. You go out there and you know
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how hot it is. Okay, Well, let's think about the
ambient air temperature when you step out, particularly down here
in the Deep South in the middle of summer. We're
talking about above ninety degrees, and you know how miserably
hot that can be well, think about if you had
a substance on your skin, okay, that heated up to
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two hundred degrees. It would be almost like if you
think of a a burner on a stove, thinking that
not like a gas burner. But I see that right now,
Right now, I'm visualizing the glow of a coil on
an electric electric stove. You apply your forearm or your hand,
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the palm of your hand to that, and just imagine
there's nothing you can do to quench that. There's nothing
you can do to get rid of it, because guess
what if you apply water to it, it's gonna get worse.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
How do you clean it up? If you've got this
just today on your arm, You've spilled a little drain
cleaner on your arm, and now you've got water mixed
in and it's starting to burn. How do you get
it off there? How do you clean it up? How
do you prevent it?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
To be honest with you, it's something that an individual
would have to seek medical attention for immediately, because until
this chemical reaction actually stops, the upside. I guess if
there is an upside, as long as you're not feeding it,
feeding it with more lye and more water. It's going
to hurt, and there's nothing you can really do about it.
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You would have to go to a physician, have to
get to an emergency room or clinic as soon as
you can so that they can stop this from happening
any further and treat the damage that's being done. Because look,
once it starts, there's really nothing that you can do
to kind of prevent it from acting out the way
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it normally acts. It's the nature of the chemical reaction
itself that is going to bring about this continued injury
that it's almost as if it is a matter of containment.
Imagine people, and we've heard a lot about these in
the news, particularly over in Europe. Of my friends over
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in Great Britain, we have these public acid attacks. Acid
is tossed on them. There's nothing you can really do
about that to get the acid off of the individual.
It's just going to have to work itself out and
hopefully you can contain it and treat the injury itself.
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It's one thing I think for those of us that
have been burned by fire. Most people probably have or
at least you've touched something hot and you've retracted. I
remember my son when he was a little bitty thing,
he stepped on a stainless steel plate outside of a
swimming match where my daughter was competing, and he burned
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his little feet and it was on the stainless steel
plate and immediately starts screaming and he jumps off, and
I'm having to help him, but there's nothing I can
do about the burn, because the burn has already happened,
and all you can really do is treat it. And
the case of Conrad Emirates, my lord, it's hard to
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even fathom what the personnel were faced with when they
were staring down what had occurred. I can only imagine
their shock when this guy shows up at the emergency
room and he is just riddled, I mean riddled with burns.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
To set the stage, Meghan Emirates turning eighteen, and she
had plans that day that she needed and she needed
her dad, sixty four year old Conrad Emirates to be
a part of. She had a big plan and Conrad
Emirates had a drinking issue. And I only say that
because it actually plays into what took place. Conrad Emirates
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was on the couch either passed out, and the reason
I say it comes into play is we react differently.
If you're just simply asleep and something is thrown on you,
you wake up. But when you have imbibed and now
you are a little more than just asleep, it takes
longer to react. And when Megan Emirates that morning was
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prepared for a day. She needed to go to the salaunch,
she needed to go to the hotel to pay for
the room that she was going to have for her
eighteenth birthday party. All of this was her plan. She
was so zero in focused on it that anything that
derailed from that plan made her mad. And her dad,
Conrad Emmeriz, laying on the couch asleep, derailed her plan,
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and she was mad. She was so mad, in fact,
that she took a picture of herself crying and sent
it to a friend saying that I had so I'll
have all these plans and he just ruined them. What
happened is allegedly Megan got really mad and started throwing
stuff at her dad. She's trying to wake him up,
She's doing everything she can, and he's not waking up.
He's not responding. And depending on how you look at it,
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and as I stated at the beginning, I tried to
figure out did she concoct this lie soap, water, poisoned, burning,
or did it just happen based on the things she
was throwing at him. We don't know. But what we
do know is that around where Conrad Emirates was laying
on the couch, there was a lot of white powder
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that was some type of drain cleaner. There was water
splashed all over him, and there were other things there
and he Conrad Emirates said that he only remembered waking
up as the rescue squad was loading him into the ambulance,
that he didn't remember anything that took place during this.
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And what I can fill in the blank here is
that allegedly Megan Emirates, when her dad would not get
up to take her to the salon and thento the hotel,
she got mad. She threw a bunch of stuff on him,
and then she took off anyway and was gone. He
is on the couch covered in the drain cleaner that
includedly soap and other assorted goodies, including the water that
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was burning him, and five hours later, five hours go
by and is at the hotel. She needs her dad's
pen number on his credit card so that she can
pay for her hotel room for her birthday party. And
she calls her friend next door May and her friend
goes over and she finds Conrad Emirates on the couch
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and her description, he looked very bad. He looked very
out of it. This is Kyle Busquett who discovered him.
He had burns or blood or bruises or something on
him his head, chest, hands, stomach, his legs looked green.
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That's a direct quote from Kayleb Busquette, the neighbor that
discovered Conrad Emirates five hours after he was pummeled with
drink cleaner that had lie in it and water and
everything else. She Cayleb Busquette then calls her mother, calls
Conrad Emirate's son, Austin, and they said call nine one one,
which is exactly what Kayla Busquet does. Now, when nine
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one one sends the ambulance, that's when Conrad Emirates wakes
up enough as they're getting him onto the ambulance. That
sets the stage for what happens next. Which Joe I
wanted to go back because the description of Conrad Emirates
is beyond anything that I can imagine that. Caleb Busquette
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said that it made her physically ill when she saw him.
She said his fingers were red and purple and this
is what got me. The fingernails. His fingernails were curled.
What would cause all of this damage? Joseph Scott Morgan.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
A trauma response, and also it's a response, an inflammatory
response that his body is reacting to. And kind of
add another layer of horror to this is that he
had been drunk and passed out apparently, and to this
point they have not really to what his blood alcohol
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level was. And we could go down that road for
some time about how you're doing with the issue of
chronic alcoholism in your life and you're ingesting alcohol regularly,
it's going to take more for you to say put
you in a state of being unaware of what's happening,
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because this is trust me, this is horrible. I've had
one case in my career of suicide by drain cleaner,
actually taking I won't mention the brand, but actually taking
drain cleaner ingesting it. And what happens is that this
compound within the drain cleaner begins to work with the
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moisture within the digestive tract. It is an corrosive event
because you have to think about the purpose of the
drain cleaner. You have organic substances that are in the
drain that are blocking say in your sink and in
your kitchen or maybe your bathroom where you've got hair.
You know, it's clogging up the drains. And they sell
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this stuff so that you know you'll apply it directly
in here and it'll begin to eat away at these
organic substances. That's what it does, and it's activated by
the moisture and the in dwelling moisture. So you think
about somebody just ingesting this internally. And I remember the
one case that I had of someone ingesting the stuff,
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and when the dissection was done and opened up, I
stood there in amazement looking at the esophagus. It was
all hemorrhagic. There was an inflammatory response that was beyond
anything that I had seen in my career. The stomach
was literally eaten through because of the interaction with the
moisture within this person's system. So you've got this going
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on externally when this young lady goes there. This is
really kind of gruesome when you think about this. If
mister Emirates's daughter, Meghan was aware of what she had done,
but yet she's not going to go there and retrieve this.
She's going to ask her friend to go and do this.
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You have to sit there and kind of begin to
think about this just for a second. She's subjecting her
friend to the site that she wound up beholding in
this environment, and it would have been absolutely horrific. This
guy would have had burns, which he did, all over
his body. They would have been absolutely ghastly. There's not
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going to be any uniformity to them either. It will
look like something out of a horror movie, where you'll
have these little islands of flesh that might still be
in dwelling, that are completely surrounded by this kind of
eroded area of raw tissue that would go all the
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way down to say, the layer of the muscle. It
would have gone through probably the epidermis and down through
the dermas, through the subc fat. I've seen actually images
of live burns where you have whatever referred to as
fourth degree burns, where you get down to the level
of the skeletal structure where you can see bone. It's
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a vicious, vicious way to die, and that brings me
to another point here. If she is alleged to have
taken and the way it's kind of framed, taken multiple items,
random items and say through them at him. Okay, people
do that out of frustration, angry. She claims that he's
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an alcoholic. He was supposed to take her somewhere. It's
her birthday. She's fed up, she's irritated. It's one thing
if you walk in and you see maybe you picked
up a shoe or a vase or anything within reach,
and you've busted furniture and you've got not what we're
talking about. I've seen the crime scene images from here.
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You're talking about a large plastic container that the lid
has been screwed off of. And I'll tell you what
this container looks like. If you'll imagine if you go
to a big box store where you're gonna buy like
an industrial size I don't know, thing of like mayo,
like you would use in a restaurant. It's about that size.
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It's got to screw on plastic lid. This thing is open,
laying on the floor, and you can see this white
powder that's lying all about. Of course, at this point,
the body you lose context for this crimsing image because
the body is not there, but it's not like it
impacted him. And then some lie may have fallen on
him and it just got away. That's not what happened,
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as this witness has stated she saw injuries to his head,
his torso, his arms, and his legs where this guy
has been burned and his fingernails have curled up. At
this point in top because of this chemical reaction that
is occurring, he is still conscious or regains consciousness. When
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mister Emirates was actually questioned by there was an attending
physician assistant PA that was taking a history from him.
He was still lucid enough to give. He says, I
don't know what happened. I've got bugs, I think he
said bugs or fleas in my house and a bug
bomb from my house. Maybe I passed out as a
result of that. Well. As toxic as the substance of
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a bug bomb can be, it's not going to generate
this kind of insult to the body.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Right, And that's why when he said the bug bomb thing,
I looked at that Joe and I thought, why would
he even think that? But it's because he doesn't realize
what everybody else is seeing. He doesn't. He is not
in that state of mind where he's lucid. He can talk,
but he doesn't realize how bad it is.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
That's fascinating. That's the thing I got to tell you
about healthcare workers. There's such you know, they throw around
the term he wrote a lot nowadays. But you look
at folks that are doing initial triage and assessment on patients.
How do you stand there as a clinician and not
whence when this man is talking to you. I mean,
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just imagine the intestinal fortitude that you have to have
as a clinician to stand there and listen to this
man and he's trying to make sense and he's probably
completely disoriented. He doesn't have a clue as to what's
going on with him. First off, with this chemical burning,
he's going to have pain, but also in some of
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these areas he'll have less pain. You know why, because
a lot of the unnervated areas are gone at this
point in time. He's not going to sense how bad
maybe it is. And so this clinician is standing there
trying to take the measure of what they're seeing. This
is not like the typical kind of thing that a
clinician is going to see every day. Now. They see burns,
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don't get me wrong, don't mail in. They see burns
on a regular basis, but to this degree, it's not
a traditional thermal burn like you see with direct heat.
This chemical reaction that has taken place, and it is
one of the most horrific things I think that any
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physician or any PA or nurse practitioner nurse could bear
witness to. But here's the thing. Mister Emmertence's life didn't
end there in the emergency room. He languished on ICU
for almost five months. I hated working burn cases. A
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hated fire deaths. They were horrific. Some of the terrible
things I've ever borne witnessed to as a medical legal
death invest scare war burns, and they come in all
shapes and sizes. I've had people burned in car accidents
that died obviously, house fires, I've had people that were
set on fire. But there's something about it. It's the
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treatment that people that live through the initial thermal assault,
that treatment course that they have to go through. If
you've never seen it, it is unbelievable and it's excruciatingly painful.
One of the things that many people are not aware of.
When people are burned, one of the first things that
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clinicians really have to watch very carefully are your kidneys,
because the kidneys begin to fail many times and you
can't process waste liquid waste in particular out of the body.
As a matter of fact, burn victims begin to swell.
They swell so much, and this is really gruesome. But
physicians will have to make long linear incisions over the
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surface of the body, running north and south. The do
it down the legs, the do it down the arms,
the dude down the abdomen. So it would be nothing
to see someone come off of a burn unit that
had thirty thirty five incisions running great links over the
surface of the remains. And this is done in an
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attempt to keep the skin from actually splitting. That's how
painful this is. And I don't know if I can
express it in any stronger terms, but mister Emirate's Dave,
he endured for five months.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I think when we first got this story, I looked
at it because I didn't really know what we were
getting into, and as I was reading through it, I
didn't grasp it with a first read through. It was
the second time when I started trying to figure out
about the lie and the water, because I don't know.
I was in my head. I was thinking what I
have in the house. But then I read her brother
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Austin Emerates. I read what he said about the couch
and I saw the picture. But when I saw his
description of the amount of powder around the couch, because
on the couch you mentioned that we didn't see. We
don't have pictures of Conrad Emerits on the couch in misery.
We see the couch after the fact, and you can
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see where he was laying because there's no powder there.
The powder is all around it, especially at one end
that appears to be where his head might have been,
and there's a lot of white powder. And assuming that
that is from the drain cleaner that had the lie
in it, that's a huge volume that wasn't on his body.
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And based on the injuries, he had a lot going on.
But one thing that really struck me, Joe, and this
is what I need to get this out. Megan Emirates
was celebrating her eighteenth birthday, and there's some discrepancy here.
I've seen some reports saying that her birthday had been
two days before, others saying it was that day. It's
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really not germane to the topic. It's just a matter
of clarity. But she was having a party, her eighteenth
birthday party to celebrate, and part of that celebration was
a hotel room and she needed her dad's credit card
number and pen number to pay for the room. And
so when she called her friend, Kayla Busqutt, next door neighbor,
to go and get the credit card number. And that's
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when Kyle Buskett finds Conrad Emirates in dire straits and
calls nine to one one. Well, when Megan Emirates is
reaching back out to Kayla Busqutt, she calls her because
she still wants the credit card number, she wants the
pin number or what have you. And when she calls
Kayla Busqutt, Kayla Busquette is at the hospital with Megan
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emirates father because of the damage that had been done
to Conrad Emirates. And she tells Megan on the phone,
she's I told her, this is a direct quote from
calea busquet quote. I told her we were at the hospital,
her dad was in the hospital. And she hung up
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on me hung up when she found out that what
she had done to her dad caused him to be
in the hospital. What we also know is a nurse
allegedly overheard Conrad Emerets telling his son, Austin Emirates, that
Meghan was the one who caused his injuries, and the
Michigan State Police was then called in because of what
the nurse overheard. They interviewed Meghan Emirates at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Not at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right, not there with her dad, but at the hotel
where she's going to have her party that her dad's
paying for.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, and the fact that she has admitted to allegedly
taking these items and multiple items and throwing them at him,
it doesn't stand up, I think logically when you begin
to look at this.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Oh, by the way, Joe, I believed that story. I
believed her when she said she threw a bunch of
stuff at him until you explained earlier what had to
have taken place, and then I went, oh, this was
way more direct than I thought.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, there's actually a switch that has to be flipped
chemically here in order to initialize this chemical reaction. Let's
just look at it this way. You take this substance
and you distribute it over an area and then you
activate it with water. That's simply what happens. And I
was thinking when I was reading through this, I was
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thinking one of the things that arson investigators look at
by the way that I think arson investigators are some
of the unsung professionals that are out there in forensics,
and people don't normally refer to them as forensic scientists.
I submit that I think that they're fantastic forensic people.
But that aside. When arson investigators look at say fires
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that are set and they're in a home, for instance,
in a structure, they look for what to referred to
as splash patterns. Say if someone takes a can of
gasoline and kind of throws it, it spreads it all
over room. You can actually see where the fire tracks
as a result of the pattern, this liquid splash pattern.
You're radio guy, Dave, you look at you guys have
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all of these monitors and things you look at. You've
seen kind of sound waves before, and for me not
being that's not the way my mind works. That's I'm
trying to make it in my simple way. It looks
like a wave pattern many times, and you'll see all
these really weird patterns, you know, that come out relative
to the distribution of saying accelerant like gasoline, where a
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match is applied and it'll burn and you'll see the
margins of it. With this, it's not exactly the same. However,
you begin to think about distribution of the substance of
this drain cliner over the surface of the body of
the skin, and you know that this is not something
where say, for instance, okay, let's just give people the
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benefit of the doubt. Let's just say that he had
a bit of it that wound up on the back
of his hand. Okay, and then somehow miraculously water got
applied to it and he was burned in that one area. Okay,
I'll go we did there, logically, we'll have that discussion.
But when you talk about his hands, his head, his torso,
(30:19):
his legs, you know that that is not quite as randomized. Say,
for instance, if you just come in contact with it
and get it wet on your hand, because what are
you going to do, well, automatically, you're going to retract
from it. It's something that's going to be very unpleasant.
You're not going to want anything to do with it. No, no, no, no,
that's that's not what we're seeing here. Manifesting physically. You've
(30:41):
got this distribution from literally head to toe with him.
But unfortunately with mister Emmerds, he no longer had toes.
Do you know why, Dave, Because as a result of
being subjected to this kind of trauma after he is
in ICU and he's being true and it's a twenty
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four hour of course with him, and they had to
bilaterally amputate his legs, so both legs were literally taken
off surgically. And that's how extensive this was. Not only
that we talked about the contact surfaces with this event
involving this substance. Did you know that one of the
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other things that can happen is to inhale inhale this
stuff as well? And as we found out from the
medical examiner in mister Emmertz's case, his lungs were damaged.
He actually had to have a track in place to
help him breathe. So now that he's in intensive care,
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they've had to place a breathing tube in his throat.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Is that what the track is? When you say trake, okay,
that's a breathing tube.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, and it goes actually right in the mid line
of the throat. So if you'll find if people anatomically,
if you'll find where that little cartilations body some people
refer to as Adam's apple, just inferior to that, they'll
make an incision in there and they'll insert this breathing
to and so he's having to have help just merely
to survive. And of course, the big thing that happens
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with people that are burned is that they're going to
kidney failure, and that's the kiss of death. As he
is being treated in the hospital, one of the other
things that's going on with him, he's in a state
of kidney failure all the time. So now this man
has had to go on to dialysis, which is further
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impacted by the fact that if we are to believe
what we have heard that he had a problem with
chronic alcohol consumption, his kidneys may have already been compromised
to a great degree. It wouldn't be like a guy
that's walking around just on a daily basis with a
healthy set of kidneys. Okay, So he's got a lot
of things that are working against him at this point
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in time. The nature of This death is not there's
no hint of mercy here. It's not like it was quick.
This is a long, slow, agonizing death. Right now, His daughter, Meghan, nineteen,
of Groveland Township in Oakland County, Michigan, has been found guilty.
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She's been found guilty of murdering her father by use
of harmful devices, irritants causing death, and domestic violence. Her
trial only took four days. She faces up to life
imprisonment when she is sentenced. That sentencing is scheduled for
July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan
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