June 22, 2023 • 24 mins
In this episode of Body Bags, hosts Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack unravel the chilling murder case of Shad Thyrion by his girlfriend, Taylor Schabusiness. They discuss the overlooked victim in media coverage, the devastating impacts of drug usage, the murder weapons, and an unconventional dating relationship that culminated in Thyrion's brutal murder.
Time-codes:
00:00 - Introduction.
01:25 - Background and overview of case.
02:30 - JoeScott and Dave debate the media's impact on victims and perpetrators.
05:00 - Details of the drug-involved relationship between Thyrion and Schabusiness.
06:05 - The role of methamphetamine in the crime.
08:50 - The crime scene.
09:30 - Schabusiness's police confession and role in the crime.
13:45 - Thyrion's final moments.
14:55 - Schabusiness's further violent actions.
17:35 - Scientific aspects of post-mortem body state.
20:05 - The process of dismembering a body by a layperson.
21:20 - The tools used in the crime, notably a serrated bread knife.
22:45 - The discovery of the crime scene by the victim's mother.
24:35 - The case specifics involving drugs.
26:15 - Crime scene details and the perpetrator's arrest comments.
26:50 - Outro.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Mississippi and Wisconsin. Those
aren't two states that you normally hear mentioned together. Don't
have a lot of men common other than the fact
(00:29):
that I guess they both have a lot of folks
up there and down there that are rural types. They
live in isolated locations, beautiful countryside in both states. I
had an interesting encounter one time with a fellow who
was from Mississippi, but yet he was the corner in
Green Bay, Wisconsin, and I was fascinated by that. I
(00:50):
was fascinated about his assessment about moving from a Gulf
state like Mississippi, deep South up to the frozen north.
He loved the people, he loved the slow pace of life.
He loved the way people really embraced the environment. In
Green Bay, he said in a roundabout way, it kind
(01:12):
of reminded him of home. Today, we're actually going to
discuss a homicide, arguably one of the most gruesome homicides
that I've covered on Bodybags, that took place in Green Bay,
the homicide of Shad Fiery at the hands of Taylor
(01:32):
Ship Business. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body
Bags Dave mac For me, when I heard about this case,
I didn't really hear much about the victim, But boy
have they gone on and on about the alleged perpetrator
(01:54):
in this case taylorship business. Isn't that interesting how it
always seems in the media that the victims many times
get pushed to the back, and those that perpetrate and
that are alleged to have perpetrated such evil kind of
step out of the shadows and we learn everything there
(02:14):
is to learn about them.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And that is one of those things that really does
upset family members to see the person who did this
horrible thing to your loved one getting attention, and by
the way, oftentimes when getting that attention, there's people that
try to justify what they did. There's oftentimes victim blaming
in there, and it gets crazy. It is the way
that things are reported. Oftentimes the suspect is evil, and
(02:39):
we don't run into evil every day in our lives.
And when you see it in front of you and
you see what they've done, it just it's not prairie
in interest. It's just interest in general draws us to it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think based upon what you and I do for
a living, where we cover cases. Aren't you glad that
we're still at that point where we can sense evil,
because there's a time when I think you can get
a callous to it. I did working with the medical examiner.
The horror and the gruesomeness, if you will, of cases
(03:11):
just kind of becomes your norm after a while. But
when you begin to think about what happened to the
shung man at the hands of Taylorship business, you really
begin to plumb the depths I think here of depravity
in the world in which we find ourselves now, the
space that we occupy. Let's hear from Jackie Howard, senior
(03:32):
producer with Crimeline.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Shad Thurian's death was discovered when his mother found theian
severed head in a bucket in the basement of her home.
The mom had been asleep but had been awakened between
two and three am by a slamming door. The woman
notices the light has been left on downstairs and goes
to check it out. There's dried blood on a nearby
mattress and the bucket, which contained a male organ as
(03:56):
well as the head. Police found the upper torso of
a body in a separate storage tote early on, the
investigation led police to another location and a twenty four
year old Taylor Shab Business. Shab Business tells officers that
she and Farian had been spending the day together.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Taylor'ship business and the victim here shad they were in
a relationship. They had been involved, not sure how long,
but they were actually involved in a dating relationship. Their
relationship involved sex and drugs. When police asked Taylor's Shaw Business,
what happened?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
What did you do? You know what?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
She said, that's a good question when you answer the
police when they ask you. You know you're alive, you
got blood on you, and you've got a dead guy,
and they ask you what happened? Saying that's a good question,
probably not opening yourself up to a good defense when
you get down to the nitty gritty. Here, Joseph Scott Morgan,
(04:56):
we have a young couple using meth, meth and FTIM.
I don't know how meth affects the body, but I
know that in our world today it is used by
many people and crazy things happen. Can methamphetamine cause somebody
could disconnect from reality to do something this crazy?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Joe, Yeah, yeah, it can. Amphetamine. It's got a long
history of Obviously, it's a stimulant, okay, I mean a
high octane stimulant to the point where it can create
what's referred to as a drug induced psychoses, And right
to our Dave, I think that probably in this particular case,
(05:36):
they're going to they're going to track that way. You
know who infamously used amphetamine to fuel a group of people,
a group of followers Hitler Hitler, Yeah, you're absolutely right.
When he was trying to fuel his army, they would
administer issue drugs to keep troops stimulated. And with amphetamine,
(05:58):
it's one of these things. It's not a normal stimulant.
It's one of these things that it has almost an
unpredictable kind of outcome many times per the administration of it,
dosage of it, this sort of thing. And then it
can come down to personality type and depended upon an
individual's predisposition. I think personality wise, it can be very
(06:21):
very magnified. If you've got any really dark areas within you,
you introduce amphetamine, particularly methamphetamine, you don't know what the
origin of the stuff is because it's manufactured somewhere in
a clandestine lab. You don't know what you're going to
get and in this case, all hell broke clues.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
During World War Two, the Nazis used a form of
work called blitzkrig. Blitzgreg was an assault on your opponent,
the where they would bomb, shell attack for an extended
period of time, NonStop. It caused many Allied forces to
really lose their cookies. Just imagine, imagine three four days
(07:00):
of constant bombing. It would be difficult for anybody, much
less somebody who's already been in combat for a while.
That's what the Nazis did, and they used metham fetamine
to keep their army alive. And moving forward, all that
time comes to today we're dealing with people using meth recreationally.
This was a couple that did use meth and sex.
That was their thing. And on this particular night, as
(07:23):
the evening went on, they the couple of Taylor's shop
business and Shaddyron they were using meth at Taylor's house.
Some point in the evening they decided to go back
to where Shad lived was with his mother. So now
they're in the basement at shaddyrone's mother's house. And that
(07:44):
is the scene that you find yourself in this basement
in the middle of the night using meth. According to
the only survivor, Taylor show Business pulls out the chains
and puts them on her would be victim and they
got busy sex now. According to shab Business, choking and
(08:05):
chains had been a part of their meth field sex life,
but this time she didn't stop. She described the chain
to police as the chains like a dog's choke collar.
He laid face down on the bed and according to
shab Business, she went crazy began to choke him with
the chain, but she didn't stop. He's coughing up blood,
(08:27):
his face turns purple. She didn't stop. She kept going
until she strangled the life out of him. He's dead,
laying on the bed. It's the middle of the night
there at his mother's house. That's the setup for what
takes place and the reason we're discussing this today on
body bags in particular, you need multiple body bags for
(08:47):
what took place.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, you do. And it's striking and I think a
lot of this has to do with this kind of
drug fueled event that was going on, where people that
get involved in any kind of sexual activity, they understand,
you know where boundaries are when you introduce a substance
like methamphetamine, which by the way, was not the only
(09:08):
drug that was being used here. When you introduce a
drug like methamphetamine, the guardrails come off. At that point
in time, your ability to judge what is right and
what is wrong, what is tolerable, what is intolerable, what
is compatible and what is not compatible with life In
this particular case, that's gone. It vanishes instant and so
(09:31):
this kind of animalistic state kind of takes over. In
the midst of all of this. You've got an individual
that's already in a submissive role because he's restrained. At
this particular time. She is the one that is in
total and complete control, and she has even admitted that
she did, in fact administer the drug. So that's another
(09:52):
kind of mechanism of control. When it comes to this
young man, you think about what was going on with
him during these moments leading up to this, and was
he taken unawares even in a drug fuel state where okay,
we've done this before, everything's going to be okay. It
(10:14):
ended in us being stated in some kind of way
where you know, we're satisfying all of these urges that
we have, regardless of what anybody thinks about it. It's
kind of the way that get their groove on, if
you will. But now suddenly maybe he comes to an
awareness that things aren't going quite to plan quite as
(10:36):
they have in the past, because, as you mentioned, Dave,
she's choking him out with a chains and she admits
that he had blood issuing from his airway. Again, this
is probably an indication that he's in congestive failure. We've
talked about this before. This can be brought about as
a result of this can be drug induced, but it's
(10:57):
also happens in an oxygen deprivating event in a context.
And here's something else I'm gonna throw a term out
on you here, Dave, that I don't think you've ever
heard before. Maybe you have their alleged ligature, I guess,
for a lack of better term strangulation going on here.
Because you are using a chain, even though it's not
(11:17):
a belt or rope, you're using that to compromise the airway.
There's something else that's going on. It's something called burking.
B you are ki n g And for folks that
aren't familiar with burking, it is a compression asphyxia and
it's when you actually have an individual that sits either
(11:37):
on the back or the chest of a subject and
will not allow them to breathe. And as you can imagine,
if you have an individual that is in a physiologically
compromised state that happens with this drug usage. He's lying
perhaps in a prone position, which means space down on
(12:00):
his belly, he's got a chain around his neck, he's restrained,
and that's not enough for her. She has to then,
even though she's recognized that he's bleeding from his nose
in his mouth, she has to then sit on him,
sit on his back, and just imagine this. Your chest
can't rise and fall, you can't uptake oxygen, you can't
(12:24):
get rid of carbon dioxide, and then finally life just
slips away.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And you're dead.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So, potentially after you've ingested methamphetamine or taking it up
intraveniously or smoked it or whatever methodology you're going to use,
after that has taken place, and you've hit this really
horrific high and you see before you what you may
have done to someone that you are in a relationship with,
(13:15):
it's not enough at that point to say, wow, I
can't believe I just ended somebody's life. No no, no, no, no,
that's not what has allegedly happened, because it's at this
point in time that you decide, let's see how much
further I can push the boundaries? How much further can
(13:35):
I go? Is there some other crack or crevice I
can leach down into when it comes to depravity? And
this is where the story really takes a very bizarre turn.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
She has choked the life out of her boyfriend, high
on meth. They're in the basement of his mother's house.
And what comes next is there a realization, oh my goodness,
what have I done? Our sex game just went too
far and I need to call for help and try
to No no, no, ms Shaw business decides to play
(14:11):
with him for a couple hours. That's what it said.
I'm not making up a term here. She actually told
police that after he was dead, after she has choked
the left.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Dave, I got to interrupt you here, man, I got
to say you say in that relative to she decides
to play with him. If you hadn't qualified that by
saying that's what she said, I would say, have you
lost all good taste at this point in time? But
I have to validate this just so that folks understand
that's the track that she's chosen to go down in this.
(14:42):
We've gone from homicide here to necrophilia. That's we're in
the basement at this point in tom literally and figuratively.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And that's what she said to the police that she
quote played with the victim's body for like two or
three hours. Now, that's where the sexual assault charge came from.
Don't really know how long because in her you got
to remember, we're talking to somebody who had a meth
field event taking place. Time has little to no meaning.
(15:12):
But the bottom line is after she gets done playing
with him for a couple hours, that's when she decides
her next move and she business decides. After her she's
played with her her boyfriend for a couple hours, he's
dead and I'm wondering what kind of state his body
would be in at this point. Is he going to
be stiff from ryger mortis? What happens? What is his
(15:34):
body like?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'm glad you set forth those parameters toime wise, because
it's important to understand. You said that the sexual assault
charge that they're looking at here is think to a
certain degree, is in the post mortem state, and that's
going to come up as a question of law down
the road. Very interesting territory we find ourselves in here.
(15:58):
But to your point, from the scientific standpoint, his body,
his body would still be flaccid. His body would actually
be still manipulative. And I don't mean that in a
traditional sense of being manipulative. I'm saying you could still
manipulate his body to move it around. So you know
you're talking too three four hours down range. You wouldn't
(16:21):
really sense much stiffness coming about from a post mortem sense.
And it's interesting because we've had killers over the years
that like to do death play. They're actually a subset
of people that have aphelia that is associated with dead
play is what they refer to it as, and they'll
have living victims that will behave as though they are dead.
(16:45):
They'll even go to great links to make their bodies
cold for their partners, and they will be non reactive
to any kind of stimulus in order to play this
scenario out in their mind. That kind of skirts the
edges of necrophilia. But here in shab Business' this case,
and when you're talking about the young man's remains, she's
(17:06):
crossed the rubicon at this point, she's into necrophilia. At
this point in time, she's using his body for her
own purposes sexually. She sexualized his corpse. And so that's
an interesting and interesting bit of information when you begin
to think about what she's doing with this body. And
there have been killers over the years that have involved
(17:28):
themselves in and I think most notably another Wisconsinate that
comes to mind is Dahmer. You know, Dahmer wouldn't manipulate
bodies to a great degree, you know, and he talked
about creating zombies over the years that he could manipulate bodies.
So they are these little hints with certain perpetrators where
you believe that there's a hint of necrophilic behavior that's
(17:53):
going on with these individuals, where they and I don't
know what it is. I think that it's the idea
that they have total control over somebody.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I would imagine that a butcher would cut up a
body differently than a lay person being away from She's
not a surgeon here Shaw business is not a doctor.
She's not a surgeon. So as just a lay person.
You've probably seen this before. Where do they start hacking
away just the average Joe Schmoe. That's trying to dismantle
a body.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It seems like it would stand a reason, doesn't it, Dave,
You would go to the most vulnerable areas of the body.
All right, And let me give you an example. As
we get older, where do we experience most of our pain? Like,
it's generally in our joint My knees crack all the time.
I don't know about yours, but elbow, shoulders, those sorts
of things, those are generally the most vulnerable areas. And
when it comes to dismembering a body, and dismemberment can
(18:44):
be used as a term, you know, when you begin
to you know, think about what a butcher does. You're
going to go into the most vulnerable areas. So you
would start off in the joints. And fortunately, we have
a lot of these cases where people will dismember remains,
just start off like mid thigh, and they'll use the
most horrific tools in order to do this. They'll use
(19:07):
a say, for instance, as all to go through soft tissue,
which doesn't work out real well. But in her case,
and this is quite horrific, not that this whole case
isn't horrific. In and of itself. They actually found a
serrated bread knife at the scene, which appears is the
instrument of choice for her where she's beginning to take
this young man's body apart, and of course she did.
(19:30):
There were various elements of his body that were found
in a variety of different locations.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When I think of a bread knife, I'm thinking of
how I would use that to cut something like fleshy.
I'm guessing is that because of the serrated edge that
it was able to get the flesh. I mean to
cut through that because obviously you're not going to cut
through a bone with that knife, right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, you wouldn't think that you would, and you could
do it, but you would have to be and let
me really emphasize that, you would really have to be
greatly purposed in order to use that. Now, there is
indication that she had used a number of knives, but
she had allegedly stated to the police that she chose
(20:14):
the bread knife because it worked the best because of
the serrated blade. So when you have a smooth edge,
that's not going to facilitate cutting through bone very well.
But if you have that serrated blade, you can actually
utilize that to saw with. Now, it would be a
real labor but still it could be used as a saw.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, we already have sha business, you know, chaining
holding her boyfriend down in his sexcapade within, you know,
using chains to strangle him. Now he's dead and she's
played with him for a couple hours. She has begun
the dismemberment process. And his mother's basement. They're back at
you know, they're in the basement and because of shaw
business needing to go in and out for some reason,
(20:55):
a door gets slammed and the mom wakes up. It's
like two thirty three o'clock in the morning, according to
her dament, she is woken up by this door slanting.
When she gets up, she sees a light in the basement,
and when she heads down to the basement this is
her house, after all, it's the middle of the night.
She discovers a bucket, and inside that bucket her son's head.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, not just his head, Dave, but as it turns out,
it was also his penis that was contained. And some
people have said that it is either a bucket or
crock pot, which has even got if this can be
even more ominous, I don't know that it could be
but just let's back up here, just for a second.
(21:38):
I don't care what the kid is involved in at all.
This is your precious son who you gave birth to.
And then your face suddenly with this harsh reality that
I don't know that too many other people in the
world could possibly ever fathom or identify with. You take
a look and you're not really sure what you're seeing,
(22:01):
but there's something that draws your eyes back. You look
again and you know that you're seeing ahead. But then
another glance and you notice that it's not just ahead,
but it's the head of your son. So, according to police,
(22:38):
what we're dealing with in this particular case, from an
evidentiary standpoint, is that we know that there is illicit
drug involvement where we have methamphetamine that is being utilized,
and also apparently there were sedatives that were involved too.
You can only imagine that those had to be utilized
(22:59):
on a regular basis in order to bring one down
from this hide that you have as a result of
being exposed to stimulant like math, but also an ongoing
history of the sexual pursuits on Shaw Business's part. She
alleges that she had been involved in chain play with
(23:21):
the victim over a period of time that was kind
of an adjunct to the drug usage. But when we
get down to it, what we do have are some
horrific elements that come into play when we begin to
think about the victim's head as well as his sexual
organ being found in a bucket together. And imagine the
(23:42):
police when they went out to vehicle and they were
actually able to notice that there was a leg and
a foot in a van, and according to police, the
alleged perpetrator here said that she got lazy and only
up putting the leg in the foot in her van
and forgot the head, put the upper torso in a
(24:05):
storage tote. And then of course the scene is just
covered in blood, and of course you have the bloody instruments.
But probably to sum all of this up, as she's
being taken away by the police, the police allege that
she stated, and again I'm paraphrasing here, good luck finding
(24:27):
all of his organs. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this
is bodybags
Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Mississippi and Wisconsin. Those
aren't two states that you normally hear mentioned together. Don't
have a lot of men common other than the fact
(00:29):
that I guess they both have a lot of folks
up there and down there that are rural types. They
live in isolated locations, beautiful countryside in both states. I
had an interesting encounter one time with a fellow who
was from Mississippi, but yet he was the corner in
Green Bay, Wisconsin, and I was fascinated by that. I
(00:50):
was fascinated about his assessment about moving from a Gulf
state like Mississippi, deep South up to the frozen north.
He loved the people, he loved the slow pace of life.
He loved the way people really embraced the environment. In
Green Bay, he said in a roundabout way, it kind
(01:12):
of reminded him of home. Today, we're actually going to
discuss a homicide, arguably one of the most gruesome homicides
that I've covered on Bodybags, that took place in Green Bay,
the homicide of Shad Fiery at the hands of Taylor
(01:32):
Ship Business. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Body
Bags Dave mac For me, when I heard about this case,
I didn't really hear much about the victim, But boy
have they gone on and on about the alleged perpetrator
(01:54):
in this case taylorship business. Isn't that interesting how it
always seems in the media that the victims many times
get pushed to the back, and those that perpetrate and
that are alleged to have perpetrated such evil kind of
step out of the shadows and we learn everything there
(02:14):
is to learn about them.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And that is one of those things that really does
upset family members to see the person who did this
horrible thing to your loved one getting attention, and by
the way, oftentimes when getting that attention, there's people that
try to justify what they did. There's oftentimes victim blaming
in there, and it gets crazy. It is the way
that things are reported. Oftentimes the suspect is evil, and
(02:39):
we don't run into evil every day in our lives.
And when you see it in front of you and
you see what they've done, it just it's not prairie
in interest. It's just interest in general draws us to it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think based upon what you and I do for
a living, where we cover cases. Aren't you glad that
we're still at that point where we can sense evil,
because there's a time when I think you can get
a callous to it. I did working with the medical examiner.
The horror and the gruesomeness, if you will, of cases
(03:11):
just kind of becomes your norm after a while. But
when you begin to think about what happened to the
shung man at the hands of Taylorship business, you really
begin to plumb the depths I think here of depravity
in the world in which we find ourselves now, the
space that we occupy. Let's hear from Jackie Howard, senior
(03:32):
producer with Crimeline.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Shad Thurian's death was discovered when his mother found theian
severed head in a bucket in the basement of her home.
The mom had been asleep but had been awakened between
two and three am by a slamming door. The woman
notices the light has been left on downstairs and goes
to check it out. There's dried blood on a nearby
mattress and the bucket, which contained a male organ as
(03:56):
well as the head. Police found the upper torso of
a body in a separate storage tote early on, the
investigation led police to another location and a twenty four
year old Taylor Shab Business. Shab Business tells officers that
she and Farian had been spending the day together.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Taylor'ship business and the victim here shad they were in
a relationship. They had been involved, not sure how long,
but they were actually involved in a dating relationship. Their
relationship involved sex and drugs. When police asked Taylor's Shaw Business,
what happened?
Speaker 1 (04:34):
What did you do? You know what?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
She said, that's a good question when you answer the
police when they ask you. You know you're alive, you
got blood on you, and you've got a dead guy,
and they ask you what happened? Saying that's a good question,
probably not opening yourself up to a good defense when
you get down to the nitty gritty. Here, Joseph Scott Morgan,
(04:56):
we have a young couple using meth, meth and FTIM.
I don't know how meth affects the body, but I
know that in our world today it is used by
many people and crazy things happen. Can methamphetamine cause somebody
could disconnect from reality to do something this crazy?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Joe, Yeah, yeah, it can. Amphetamine. It's got a long
history of Obviously, it's a stimulant, okay, I mean a
high octane stimulant to the point where it can create
what's referred to as a drug induced psychoses, And right
to our Dave, I think that probably in this particular case,
(05:36):
they're going to they're going to track that way. You
know who infamously used amphetamine to fuel a group of people,
a group of followers Hitler Hitler, Yeah, you're absolutely right.
When he was trying to fuel his army, they would
administer issue drugs to keep troops stimulated. And with amphetamine,
(05:58):
it's one of these things. It's not a normal stimulant.
It's one of these things that it has almost an
unpredictable kind of outcome many times per the administration of it,
dosage of it, this sort of thing. And then it
can come down to personality type and depended upon an
individual's predisposition. I think personality wise, it can be very
(06:21):
very magnified. If you've got any really dark areas within you,
you introduce amphetamine, particularly methamphetamine, you don't know what the
origin of the stuff is because it's manufactured somewhere in
a clandestine lab. You don't know what you're going to
get and in this case, all hell broke clues.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
During World War Two, the Nazis used a form of
work called blitzkrig. Blitzgreg was an assault on your opponent,
the where they would bomb, shell attack for an extended
period of time, NonStop. It caused many Allied forces to
really lose their cookies. Just imagine, imagine three four days
(07:00):
of constant bombing. It would be difficult for anybody, much
less somebody who's already been in combat for a while.
That's what the Nazis did, and they used metham fetamine
to keep their army alive. And moving forward, all that
time comes to today we're dealing with people using meth recreationally.
This was a couple that did use meth and sex.
That was their thing. And on this particular night, as
(07:23):
the evening went on, they the couple of Taylor's shop
business and Shaddyron they were using meth at Taylor's house.
Some point in the evening they decided to go back
to where Shad lived was with his mother. So now
they're in the basement at shaddyrone's mother's house. And that
(07:44):
is the scene that you find yourself in this basement
in the middle of the night using meth. According to
the only survivor, Taylor show Business pulls out the chains
and puts them on her would be victim and they
got busy sex now. According to shab Business, choking and
(08:05):
chains had been a part of their meth field sex life,
but this time she didn't stop. She described the chain
to police as the chains like a dog's choke collar.
He laid face down on the bed and according to
shab Business, she went crazy began to choke him with
the chain, but she didn't stop. He's coughing up blood,
(08:27):
his face turns purple. She didn't stop. She kept going
until she strangled the life out of him. He's dead,
laying on the bed. It's the middle of the night
there at his mother's house. That's the setup for what
takes place and the reason we're discussing this today on
body bags in particular, you need multiple body bags for
(08:47):
what took place.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, you do. And it's striking and I think a
lot of this has to do with this kind of
drug fueled event that was going on, where people that
get involved in any kind of sexual activity, they understand,
you know where boundaries are when you introduce a substance
like methamphetamine, which by the way, was not the only
(09:08):
drug that was being used here. When you introduce a
drug like methamphetamine, the guardrails come off. At that point
in time, your ability to judge what is right and
what is wrong, what is tolerable, what is intolerable, what
is compatible and what is not compatible with life In
this particular case, that's gone. It vanishes instant and so
(09:31):
this kind of animalistic state kind of takes over. In
the midst of all of this. You've got an individual
that's already in a submissive role because he's restrained. At
this particular time. She is the one that is in
total and complete control, and she has even admitted that
she did, in fact administer the drug. So that's another
(09:52):
kind of mechanism of control. When it comes to this
young man, you think about what was going on with
him during these moments leading up to this, and was
he taken unawares even in a drug fuel state where okay,
we've done this before, everything's going to be okay. It
(10:14):
ended in us being stated in some kind of way
where you know, we're satisfying all of these urges that
we have, regardless of what anybody thinks about it. It's
kind of the way that get their groove on, if
you will. But now suddenly maybe he comes to an
awareness that things aren't going quite to plan quite as
(10:36):
they have in the past, because, as you mentioned, Dave,
she's choking him out with a chains and she admits
that he had blood issuing from his airway. Again, this
is probably an indication that he's in congestive failure. We've
talked about this before. This can be brought about as
a result of this can be drug induced, but it's
(10:57):
also happens in an oxygen deprivating event in a context.
And here's something else I'm gonna throw a term out
on you here, Dave, that I don't think you've ever
heard before. Maybe you have their alleged ligature, I guess,
for a lack of better term strangulation going on here.
Because you are using a chain, even though it's not
(11:17):
a belt or rope, you're using that to compromise the airway.
There's something else that's going on. It's something called burking.
B you are ki n g And for folks that
aren't familiar with burking, it is a compression asphyxia and
it's when you actually have an individual that sits either
(11:37):
on the back or the chest of a subject and
will not allow them to breathe. And as you can imagine,
if you have an individual that is in a physiologically
compromised state that happens with this drug usage. He's lying
perhaps in a prone position, which means space down on
(12:00):
his belly, he's got a chain around his neck, he's restrained,
and that's not enough for her. She has to then,
even though she's recognized that he's bleeding from his nose
in his mouth, she has to then sit on him,
sit on his back, and just imagine this. Your chest
can't rise and fall, you can't uptake oxygen, you can't
(12:24):
get rid of carbon dioxide, and then finally life just
slips away.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And you're dead.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So, potentially after you've ingested methamphetamine or taking it up
intraveniously or smoked it or whatever methodology you're going to use,
after that has taken place, and you've hit this really
horrific high and you see before you what you may
have done to someone that you are in a relationship with,
(13:15):
it's not enough at that point to say, wow, I
can't believe I just ended somebody's life. No no, no, no, no,
that's not what has allegedly happened, because it's at this
point in time that you decide, let's see how much
further I can push the boundaries? How much further can
(13:35):
I go? Is there some other crack or crevice I
can leach down into when it comes to depravity? And
this is where the story really takes a very bizarre turn.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
She has choked the life out of her boyfriend, high
on meth. They're in the basement of his mother's house.
And what comes next is there a realization, oh my goodness,
what have I done? Our sex game just went too
far and I need to call for help and try
to No no, no, ms Shaw business decides to play
(14:11):
with him for a couple hours. That's what it said.
I'm not making up a term here. She actually told
police that after he was dead, after she has choked
the left.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Dave, I got to interrupt you here, man, I got
to say you say in that relative to she decides
to play with him. If you hadn't qualified that by
saying that's what she said, I would say, have you
lost all good taste at this point in time? But
I have to validate this just so that folks understand
that's the track that she's chosen to go down in this.
(14:42):
We've gone from homicide here to necrophilia. That's we're in
the basement at this point in tom literally and figuratively.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
And that's what she said to the police that she
quote played with the victim's body for like two or
three hours. Now, that's where the sexual assault charge came from.
Don't really know how long because in her you got
to remember, we're talking to somebody who had a meth
field event taking place. Time has little to no meaning.
(15:12):
But the bottom line is after she gets done playing
with him for a couple hours, that's when she decides
her next move and she business decides. After her she's
played with her her boyfriend for a couple hours, he's
dead and I'm wondering what kind of state his body
would be in at this point. Is he going to
be stiff from ryger mortis? What happens? What is his
(15:34):
body like?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I'm glad you set forth those parameters toime wise, because
it's important to understand. You said that the sexual assault
charge that they're looking at here is think to a
certain degree, is in the post mortem state, and that's
going to come up as a question of law down
the road. Very interesting territory we find ourselves in here.
(15:58):
But to your point, from the scientific standpoint, his body,
his body would still be flaccid. His body would actually
be still manipulative. And I don't mean that in a
traditional sense of being manipulative. I'm saying you could still
manipulate his body to move it around. So you know
you're talking too three four hours down range. You wouldn't
(16:21):
really sense much stiffness coming about from a post mortem sense.
And it's interesting because we've had killers over the years
that like to do death play. They're actually a subset
of people that have aphelia that is associated with dead
play is what they refer to it as, and they'll
have living victims that will behave as though they are dead.
(16:45):
They'll even go to great links to make their bodies
cold for their partners, and they will be non reactive
to any kind of stimulus in order to play this
scenario out in their mind. That kind of skirts the
edges of necrophilia. But here in shab Business' this case,
and when you're talking about the young man's remains, she's
(17:06):
crossed the rubicon at this point, she's into necrophilia. At
this point in time, she's using his body for her
own purposes sexually. She sexualized his corpse. And so that's
an interesting and interesting bit of information when you begin
to think about what she's doing with this body. And
there have been killers over the years that have involved
(17:28):
themselves in and I think most notably another Wisconsinate that
comes to mind is Dahmer. You know, Dahmer wouldn't manipulate
bodies to a great degree, you know, and he talked
about creating zombies over the years that he could manipulate bodies.
So they are these little hints with certain perpetrators where
you believe that there's a hint of necrophilic behavior that's
(17:53):
going on with these individuals, where they and I don't
know what it is. I think that it's the idea
that they have total control over somebody.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I would imagine that a butcher would cut up a
body differently than a lay person being away from She's
not a surgeon here Shaw business is not a doctor.
She's not a surgeon. So as just a lay person.
You've probably seen this before. Where do they start hacking
away just the average Joe Schmoe. That's trying to dismantle
a body.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It seems like it would stand a reason, doesn't it, Dave,
You would go to the most vulnerable areas of the body.
All right, And let me give you an example. As
we get older, where do we experience most of our pain? Like,
it's generally in our joint My knees crack all the time.
I don't know about yours, but elbow, shoulders, those sorts
of things, those are generally the most vulnerable areas. And
when it comes to dismembering a body, and dismemberment can
(18:44):
be used as a term, you know, when you begin
to you know, think about what a butcher does. You're
going to go into the most vulnerable areas. So you
would start off in the joints. And fortunately, we have
a lot of these cases where people will dismember remains,
just start off like mid thigh, and they'll use the
most horrific tools in order to do this. They'll use
(19:07):
a say, for instance, as all to go through soft tissue,
which doesn't work out real well. But in her case,
and this is quite horrific, not that this whole case
isn't horrific. In and of itself. They actually found a
serrated bread knife at the scene, which appears is the
instrument of choice for her where she's beginning to take
this young man's body apart, and of course she did.
(19:30):
There were various elements of his body that were found
in a variety of different locations.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
When I think of a bread knife, I'm thinking of
how I would use that to cut something like fleshy.
I'm guessing is that because of the serrated edge that
it was able to get the flesh. I mean to
cut through that because obviously you're not going to cut
through a bone with that knife, right.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, you wouldn't think that you would, and you could
do it, but you would have to be and let
me really emphasize that, you would really have to be
greatly purposed in order to use that. Now, there is
indication that she had used a number of knives, but
she had allegedly stated to the police that she chose
(20:14):
the bread knife because it worked the best because of
the serrated blade. So when you have a smooth edge,
that's not going to facilitate cutting through bone very well.
But if you have that serrated blade, you can actually
utilize that to saw with. Now, it would be a
real labor but still it could be used as a saw.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
You know, we already have sha business, you know, chaining
holding her boyfriend down in his sexcapade within, you know,
using chains to strangle him. Now he's dead and she's
played with him for a couple hours. She has begun
the dismemberment process. And his mother's basement. They're back at
you know, they're in the basement and because of shaw
business needing to go in and out for some reason,
(20:55):
a door gets slammed and the mom wakes up. It's
like two thirty three o'clock in the morning, according to
her dament, she is woken up by this door slanting.
When she gets up, she sees a light in the basement,
and when she heads down to the basement this is
her house, after all, it's the middle of the night.
She discovers a bucket, and inside that bucket her son's head.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, not just his head, Dave, but as it turns out,
it was also his penis that was contained. And some
people have said that it is either a bucket or
crock pot, which has even got if this can be
even more ominous, I don't know that it could be
but just let's back up here, just for a second.
(21:38):
I don't care what the kid is involved in at all.
This is your precious son who you gave birth to.
And then your face suddenly with this harsh reality that
I don't know that too many other people in the
world could possibly ever fathom or identify with. You take
a look and you're not really sure what you're seeing,
(22:01):
but there's something that draws your eyes back. You look
again and you know that you're seeing ahead. But then
another glance and you notice that it's not just ahead,
but it's the head of your son. So, according to police,
(22:38):
what we're dealing with in this particular case, from an
evidentiary standpoint, is that we know that there is illicit
drug involvement where we have methamphetamine that is being utilized,
and also apparently there were sedatives that were involved too.
You can only imagine that those had to be utilized
(22:59):
on a regular basis in order to bring one down
from this hide that you have as a result of
being exposed to stimulant like math, but also an ongoing
history of the sexual pursuits on Shaw Business's part. She
alleges that she had been involved in chain play with
(23:21):
the victim over a period of time that was kind
of an adjunct to the drug usage. But when we
get down to it, what we do have are some
horrific elements that come into play when we begin to
think about the victim's head as well as his sexual
organ being found in a bucket together. And imagine the
(23:42):
police when they went out to vehicle and they were
actually able to notice that there was a leg and
a foot in a van, and according to police, the
alleged perpetrator here said that she got lazy and only
up putting the leg in the foot in her van
and forgot the head, put the upper torso in a
(24:05):
storage tote. And then of course the scene is just
covered in blood, and of course you have the bloody instruments.
But probably to sum all of this up, as she's
being taken away by the police, the police allege that
she stated, and again I'm paraphrasing here, good luck finding
(24:27):
all of his organs. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this
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