November 26, 2025 • 50 mins
Part two of the Celeste Rivas death investigation. Many of the stories leaked to TMZ are false, leading LAPD to officially release some information about the condition of Celeste Rivas body. A court order is now preventing the LA Coroner from releasing details of the Celeste's body when she was found in Tesla registered to David Anthony Burke AKA "D4VD". The investigation has officially been labeled an "Investigation into murder" and autopsy findings will not be released to protect the investigation. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack go deeper into what is known about the death of the teen who went missing when she was just 13-years-old.
Transcript Highlights
00:00:01.30 Introduction - Celeste Part Two
00:00:14.71 Identification
00:03:51.48 D4VD Fortnite videos on YouTube
00:05:26.94 D4VD "Romantic Homicide"
00:09:43.30 September 7th - big day for D4VD
00:15:24.69 Using Luminol in search of rental home
00:20:00.36 D4VD close circle of friends living in rented mansion
00:25:02.65 Tracking phones
00:30:05.24 Assistance dismembering body
00:36:07.31 Dismembering a body with non-surgical equipment
00:40:07.54 Environmental conditions impact on decomposition
00:46:09.48 Celeste Body being moved - maybe not panic
00:50:07.35 Conclusion - there will be another update
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body bus with Joseph's gotten more. I have said it
throughout my career. I will say it until my eyes
close in that final sleep. Identification is everything in any
investigation that you conduct. In the case involving David Burke,
(00:29):
D four D or hybrids pronounced, He's a human being,
David Burke, He's a real person. We now have an
idea on who those remains were that were in dwelling
the front of his tesla. And she was a person
(00:53):
as well, Celeste reave Us or Nandez. We know who
she is, but who was she? Who was she? What
is it that brought her life to the point where
it intersected with a young man who had a burgeoning
(01:18):
career in the music industry. And why why was her
body in multiple pieces in this tesla that belonged to
this person. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags, Dave.
(01:45):
So we are oriented here. We have to state from
the beginning that this is a continuation of an earlier
episode that we have done, because I got to tell
you right now, we're choking on data. Yeah this way,
you know, and you know I've worked cases before, Dave,
where there's so much information. I've particularly Okay, let me
(02:09):
rephrase that. I've had cases that I've worked as a
practitioner where we had a lot of data, but it
even And maybe you can address this because you've been
in media for so long and you're so good at
it that do you ever find yourself drowning in information?
And it's like you sit there, I don't know about
(02:30):
now that I'm in this world. It's like I will
lay in bed at night and will I'll try to
process everything that I may have talked about about forensics
during the day, but I have all the stuff that
creeps in, this information overload that comes in, And how
do you kind of, you know, suss this out and
try to develop a timeline.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
When Nancy Gray says, slow down, you got me drinking
out of the fire hole, that's what it feels like
a lot of time when you have a story, because
it's a lot of our time I'm investigating a story.
You're it's like pulling teeth.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hang on, let me do an imitation real quick. Hang on,
Joe Scott. Yeah, Now, I'm just a JD. I'm not
an MD or I'm not a forensic scientist. You've got
to slow down. All right. That's a classic line, right.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is. And that's what it feels like a lot
of time when you have a story. And like I
told you on this one with Celesteevus, there are multiple
prongs on this story and they're all bad. I told
you off the air before we started that, if not
for this story, where we are today, the story of
David Anthony Burke becoming a burgeoning star is an incredible story.
(03:45):
I will give it to you very briefly. He became
a celebrity by playing Fortnite, the video game. He's a gamer,
and he's twenty years old now it's twenty twenty five.
But back several years ago, he was playing Fortnite and
he would upload videos. You know, kids they shoot video
of themselves playing video games and they share tips and
tricks and things like that, and other kids watch it
(04:06):
on YouTube and it's a big deal. And what David
Burke did is he put music to it. Well, when
you're using copyrighted music, you get shut down. So his
YouTube videos were growing by leaps and bounds and he
was making bank. You know, he's making bank at fifteen,
sixteen years old, and YouTube shut him down. You can't
use copyrighted material in your stuff. And so he goes
(04:26):
to his mom, and we've talked to his dad is
a lawyer and his mom is now a notary public
but with a background in education. And he's been homeschooled.
He's very much a home in. This is an indoor
cap And he goes to his mom complaining about how
he has no money anymore, it's all been shut out,
and she got fed up with him. I said, Matt,
why don't you make your own music. He's singing in
(04:47):
the choir at church. He's been brought up in church,
singing in the choir and all that, and she so
he did. He actually downloaded an app on his iPhone
that shows you how to write songs, makes music, and
he goes into his sister's closet and starts writing music.
It's a talented young man that can do that. It's
not something everyone can do. And he did. Now if
(05:10):
you have him in it later on after this, after
you listen to this podcast, go look up Romantic Homicide.
That was the first big hit he had and he
went viral because he included it on his Fortnite. But
he included his own music on Fortnite and then he
used TikTok of his Fortnite videos and his music and boom,
(05:32):
all this guy's got a billion views. You know, he exploded,
and he's making bank before he ever releases a CD.
He's making so much money for himself. The record labels
are dying for him because he's creating stuff. I mean,
this guy's worth millions already. That's how he can afford
a twenty thousand dollars a month mansion in Hills Comicide
(05:53):
and his gross bloody shirts and everything. By the way, Joe,
this death, evil destruction. It's permeating his work, all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, And I got to tell you right now, I'm
thinking about Van Morrison and one of my favorite songs
is bright Side of the Road, and I'm thinking this
is so far removed. Of course Van Moore, this is
not you know, they say there's nothing new under the sun.
Ben Morrison also recorded a song called TB Sheets and
it's one of the most depressing songs that you'll ever
(06:26):
hear in your life. But the idea that someone would
write something called romantic it's a homicide.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And that it's listened to so many times it becomes
a hit makes it honey, But that's actually what led
him to his record deal and led him to becoming
a pseudo celebrity. It's also where, using his online persona,
he connected with Celeste Reevas. We think there is enough
proof out there that they've had a relationship for some time.
(06:53):
And when you look at the date the time that
she was actually reported missing from her parents' house in
Lake Elson or April fifth, twenty twenty four, Celeste of
is officially reported missing. They hung missing posters up everywhere.
They're trying to get attention from the press. Lake elsoner
is about seventy miles south from where your body was found.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But Jo, hang on one second. I got to tell our
friends something real quick. The reason I love Dave Mack
so much other than in fact he's a really cool
cat hanging out with thank you, and he's got one
of the best voices out I got to tell you
one of the things I love about this man is
his ability to take complex things and break them down,
(07:38):
particularly as applies to timelines. You would have made a
fantastic investigator, and Dave, something you have preached to me
about this case is age yep, and that's something that
is as a as a father and as a granddad,
(07:58):
which you and I occupy that same space. Yeah, it's
it is a gut punch in this case. And that's
something that I don't care how you look at this,
you cannot get past it. Please please share, share your
knowledge on this, will please?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
All Right, here's the thing, and I'm going to tell
you that I've got when children go as straight. Look,
there are children who run away. There are children who
run away from all kinds of situations that happens every day.
But in this particular case, I don't know Celestie of
his parents, don't know them at all, but she had
(08:36):
run away so many times. And in particular a teacher
of hers, one of celeste teachers, after her body was identified,
he told his class he was trying to teach his
junior high school kids about being careful with people you
meet online. And he holds up a picture a video
of her on his phone to this girl I taught
(08:57):
her last year. Oh lord, she ran away to La
to be with this guy, David Burke, and the police
brought her back home and she left again. Well, the
police been called to her house twelve times in or
thirteen times in the twelve months leading up to April fifth,
twenty twenty four, when she actually disappeared finally. But the
(09:18):
thing is that she didn't stay gone from there, Joe.
We reported her missing from that date, but in reality
she was back. She was back home in September of
that year, a year before she actually her remains were
found in la a year before. She was back home
at her parents. They just never unlisted her as missing.
We've got video of her arguing with her neighbors, her parents' neighbors,
(09:38):
because the kids were playing ding dong ditch. So les
was a handful. But Celeste Reeves had to have been
twelve when she met David Burke. Had to have been twelve,
because September seventh is a really important date in the
world of David Burke. It's the date he released Romantic Comicide.
Think about that for a minute. September seventh, and what
(10:00):
else happened on September seventh, Well, it happens to be
Celesteeves's birthday. Romantic Commiside was released on September seventh, twenty
twenty two, when Celeste was twelve. And actually what that
means if they are octogy means that he was around
her before she was twelve. She would have been eleven.
(10:23):
Burke would have been seventeen at the time. He's twenty now.
He released another song called rehabb a year later. On
September seventh, twenty twenty three, released two songs on her birthday.
The same girl that winds up dead in his trunk
frunk of his car his tesla can't be a coincidence, Joe,
(10:45):
But let's just say that it is for a minute,
and let's go this way we've talked about. They identify
the body, and what happens. The police go to his house,
they'd serve a search warrant, and word comes out of
there they're using illuminol. Yeah, why would police you is
luminol inside of a home that they're searching. And by
the way, they only came out with a couple of
(11:05):
items like computers and things like that, as and electronic
media stuff. But what would they be looking for if
they're using luminol?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, the only thing you're going to be looking for
is some type of remnant of blood that's left behind,
bubb I mean, that's that's the only thing you know
that you're looking for, and for folks that are not
familiar with illuminol. It is it has what's referred to
as a chemical luminescence. I think I think that many
(11:34):
times public labors under this idea that with luminol and
even like there's another substance called blue star, right, they
think that once you sprint this stuff around, okay, that
it's it's going to automatically luminous. It happens in a
fraction of a second. So really, yeah, once the application
(11:58):
is made.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hold on, so you're looking at a room that's got
carpet that's been cleaned, Yeah, and you spray this stuff
on it and for a brief second you can see
blood spatter, but it's gone that quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, the luminescence only has So that's why like these
images that you see and it comes off as like this,
it's actually a very beautiful shade of blue. You know.
Remember you have found beauty and horror sometimes and you
have to have your camera ready, so it's not like
a I guess you could say it's a one person job,
(12:35):
but that ain't necessarily the case. So you have to
stand by with these applications and be able to snap
that image. Now here's The thing about it, most of
the time when you're looking for this chemical luminescence, it's
a reactive thing that's going on with the heme globin
and the blood and the chemical that's applied. Most of
(12:59):
the time, what they're doing that for is it's like
if you've got a questioned area, all right, and you've
got what appears to be blood. Remember, forensically you cannot
look at a stain and say that that's blood. I
take us back to again, Idaho with the so called
(13:23):
blood coming out of the house. Now, that did turn
out to be blood, But for me, I never called
that blood. I didn't. I was trained better because I
was not present for the chemical testing, right, and when
you first take a look at it, you know, it
makes really good copy. Right from the media, you know
the house is bleeding. I even read a headline like that. Scientifically,
(13:46):
I can't say that because it's not verifiable until you
have the test before you, and there's multiple tests. My
point is is that most of the time with chemical luminescence,
you're going over an area where you suspect there was
blood and there's been some effort to clean that blood up.
(14:08):
There will always be some type of particulate remnant that's
left behind. Like if you and I are looking at
the same spot, we'll say, dude, I don't see anything
that resembles blood.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
However, you take this chemical compound and you sprits it
on that area and you turn off the lights, and brother,
all of a sudden, the room glows and it's one
of those it's actually, Dave. When you're in the presence
of it, it's kind of a chilling moment. And this
(14:45):
is why, because not only can you see blood deposition patterns,
you know, like dynamic blood, you know, like we talked
about cast off and our two yeald spray and all
those things that you hear about. I think one of
the most things I've ever seen with luminol, it's drag marks,
(15:07):
you know where it looks like. And for all of
our friends out there, if you want to get an
idea of what I'm talking about here, just think about yourself.
If you've got to think about your experiences in life,
if you've ever got you've ever had, like a mop,
and I mean like a real mop. I'm not talking
about one of these things, you know, like a swiffer
(15:27):
or whatever. I'm talking about something that has like strengths here.
So you drag it across the floor and you realize, God,
my mop is really dirty because you're not cleaning, you're
just kind of smearing, you know what I'm saying. That's
what I'm talking about. With a drag mark. You see
the smear, the remnant that's left behind where someone has
(15:49):
has drugged something away. And what's really profound if you
see somebody that say they've had a head injury, like
a fatal head injury, and the blood is like super
saturated their hair and their hair begins to act. This
is so horrible. Their hair actually begins to act like
dirty mob strings and their drug. And then you go
(16:11):
back and you try to wipe that up and clean it,
you're going to see that lumine s. So it reveals
all those things that are hidden, is essentially, and it's
a marvelous tool. I mean it truly is, because those
things that people that have bad intentions are trying to
eradicate all will be revealed, you know, when you place
(16:34):
this agent on it. And so that is a it's
a beautiful thing. And so you think about this dwelling,
we don't know, look do full disclosure. We don't know
at this point in time what they found, if they
did have chemical luminescence in this environment, but you have
(16:56):
to think that they are going to go over this
house from stem to I find it interesting what you
mentioned they didn't come out with a lot. Okay, you
talked about computers and all this stuff, but you know
you're not going to come out of a house, you know,
with flooring most of the time. But what you will
(17:19):
come out with are actual photographs that are contained on
a disc or in a storage cloud or something like that,
and that that's going to tell the tale Dave. Within
(17:44):
the last week, Dave, first off, I'm not saying that
Celeste case has fallen off the radar. Far from it.
As a matter of fact, I've had several people that
have reached out to me as if I have like
some kind of inside knowledge what status of the case. Well,
I know as much as you have. You know, it's
(18:06):
not like I've got a hotline to LAPD or to
the medical examiner. As all.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
They aren't saying anything.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
They ain't saying nothing, brother, I mean, it is locked
down tight. However, with the course of last week. Uh,
I'm not going to say that it's like a gigantic
bomb that was dropped and suddenly all things are you know,
to go back to what we first mentioned, all things
are illuminated. Now, however, we have been I don't know,
(18:33):
here's a good word. Uh, we've been in an information
drought recently about this case. And this case has been
on the tip of everybody's tongue, you know, because people
want to know you're talking. You're talking about a child.
You're talking about a child that has allegedly, allegedly been
dismembered and hidden sequestered in a car. Dave revealed to
(18:56):
us again your take on this, because I know that
your neck deep in this thing and you're watching the
wires on all of this.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I'm so frustrated. And I told you this. TMZ breaks
a lot of cases, and in this case, TMZ they
called Celeste Reeve's parents, did selet's have a tattoo? How
are they getting this information? Somebody in the LAPD is
feeding them information because they know about the tattoo or
(19:23):
hair or clothing. I mean, they know things that they
can only know by getting information from the inside, inside sources.
There's nothing official, nothing official, Joe, but there is information
now coming out of LAPD that makes sense what we
heard this past week. Joseph Scott Morgan is very direct.
(19:44):
We talked about the search warrant at the house and
what they may or may not have found, how they
would have found it, but what if police after By
the way police have said they have talked again leaking
this information. D four VD has a very height circle
of friends who were staying in the house with them.
They identified them by finding, well, you know, if you
(20:06):
sleep in a room in a house, how you have
things on your nightstand? Yeah, you know, maybe a charger
of phone or what things that are yours and only
yours yep. And the police were able to identify, Oh,
this was Joseph Scott Morgan's room, Oh this was Dave
max room. They already know the people involved and now
they know where they were sleeping. So they've gotten that
involved in this case to know the inner circle, and
(20:27):
police have talked with the inner circle. They haven't gotten
the full picture from any one of them. It's all
been compartmentalized, but getting information from this one and from
that one have led them into believing that Celeste Reeves
died in the spring of this year spring twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Wait, hang on, this completely changes the tomeline that we
were originally given. Correct.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, yeah, because but our timeline, Joe, I remember how
I told you we starting the middle. Yeh. We start
with the car being towed, and you know that's a marker, Okay,
put a marker in the day it's Toad. And then
three days later the smell attracts had called the cops,
and then we have a body. But then you're going, Okay,
(21:16):
where was this car when it was Toad? How long
it had been in that spot? Okay, it had been
in that spot since July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five,
until it was Toad January fifth, I mean September fifth
rather or third. Anyway, it hadn't moved after July twenty ninth,
so and nothing was put in or taken out after
July twenty ninth. So common sense dictates Celestieva's body was
(21:39):
in that car in the condition she was later found,
although more decomposed later. But we don't know if how
long she had been in there before then, because so
July twenty ninth last time it was moved. But now
they're saying that she Celeste could killed died in the
(22:01):
spring of twenty twenty five. But they also say something
else d four VD David Burke in the spring of
twenty twenty five took an unusual trip in the middle
of the night, driving two hours up the coast Santa
(22:28):
Barbara County. Yeah, where there is a lot of area
that is very difficult terrain last, yes, very rural terrain.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They the leaked information is that David Burke in the
spring of twenty twenty five took him in the middle
of the night drive up and spent several hours in
a very rural area of Santa Barbara County before returning. So, Joe,
you're an investigator, You've seen these things before. They are
they're leaking that they believe she died in the early
(23:05):
spring of twenty twenty five. They believe he took a
trip in early spring twenty twenty five to this very
rural area of Santa Barbara County. And what are we
let putting two and two together, What are we looking for?
What are we going to find? What kind of evidence
if it's the last revas was taken in the middle
(23:25):
of the night out into the middle of nowhere and killed.
I mean, I don't even know where to begin with.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, this is okay, you asked me as an investigator,
one of the things I'm going to be interested in
is the geo tracking here, because I want to know
if you've got it narrowed down like that, they've got
data that is suggesting they have a specific destination. Okay,
because it's not like they're saying, well, he drove up north,
(23:52):
all right, that's not what they're saying. You just said
it just second of rural Santa Barbara County, right, okay.
And by the way, Keimmy and I have made that
trip by train from Los Angeles. Suddenly, if you've never
done this, by the way, you come out of the
dirtiness of Los Angeles on a train and you start
(24:14):
that trip north. This one of the most beautiful journeys
I've ever been on in my life. You're you're running
literally adjacent to the America song was just one of
my favorite songs, Ventura Highway. All right, So you're you're
running through this countryside on this train. It's absolutely gorgeous.
But what's your destination? And here's another thing with the
(24:37):
geo tracking, I'm wondering, are they downloading data off this tesla.
Was a tesla involved? Okay. Also, the other thing that
we have to consider is the idea that perhaps phones
are pinging. All right, and when I remember what I did,
(24:59):
you hear what I said that was plural phones, and
you had mentioned that they suspect that whoever did this
they have assistance. I don't know about you, and I
hate to say this about myself. I know you have
this boat anchor around your neck as well. We both
(25:20):
carry these damn things in our pocket everywhere we go.
We don't have a moment's piece, right, and that's just
the nature of who we are. It's like an appendage. Now,
so we carry phones with us everywhere we go, and
so many of these cases we've covered are going to
fall back to phones. But now in addition to that,
you got a tesla, dude, that's tracking your every move,
(25:42):
you know, no matter where you go. Yeah, it's all cool.
I can run off a battery power and so forth
and so on. But this thing is it's marking. It's marking,
you know, those hard benchmarks that you can go From
an electronic forensics perspective, this would be like if you
were an investigator in electronic forensics. This is like jackpot, Okay,
(26:11):
it's not like you're driving your grandpappy's nineteen seventy three
Chevy pickup truck. All right, it's not the not the
deal here. And I find it interesting that this remains
that were found, you know, were found within the trunk
of this car. You have to think that that's going
to be at least considered I'm not saying this absolute
(26:32):
that that would be the conveyance of the remains. And
how anybody in the right mind nowadays could think that
this car is not going to have revealing I think
the big thing here is that I think people you know,
and this is this is this has always been the case.
People always think they're never going to get caught. All right,
(26:52):
You're as how small that percentage is nowadays in the
world that we live in. This goes back to electronic
data data. You can't escape that. And even even nowadays,
they're going to say things to you. Let's just say
you're in a pre tracking car, you know nothing. If
you've got your phone, one of the questions they're going
to ask they're going to ask you is like, hey man,
(27:13):
why's your phone got dead? At this point in time,
Why is it that it just goes dark. Let's just
say you leave your phone at home. That's that's actually
a legitimate investigative question. Now that's something that twenty years
ago we would not have even considered. Man, never come Burger.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, exactly why is exactly going off during this time
period where we saw you leaving your place in Pullman, Washington,
And it makes no sense that you turned it off
there and it turned back on here. That makes no
sense because it's inconsistent with the behavior of human beings.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
But Braveview World.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, so they've been able to again, this is all
leaked information. Nothing is every bit of the labed.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Every John tittle Man.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, and so they're leaking info that he takes this
trip in the middle of the night. Well, there's other
information that we got from a private investigator or who
was hired by the owner of the mansion to go.
He wants the owner found out who was living in
the house D four VD because again, remember he didn't
rent the house, his manager in Texas did. The house
was rented for Bird. So when the owner of the
(28:14):
home finds out this guy was living there and now
there's a dead body in his car. He wants to
know what happened in the house that I own, so
he hires a PI. P I goes in there, and
this is after police have already gone over the place,
After police have already gone he finds equipment he says,
would not be normal to be found inside a Hollywood
Hills home. It would be more in tune with being
(28:37):
found on a farm, something you would find in a
rural area, not in a Hollywood Hills home. Like I
don't know, chainsaw so sharp implements like a nassa guy
or a what do you call it, a sling blade?
You know, any number of things that he won't be
(28:57):
very specific because he's a PI and you know he's
only get held accountable for what he's just being general
and saying these farm implements. But Joe, why is.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
That a bizarre way? That's a bizarre phraseology.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Wouldn't you agree with that? And I'm having been on
shows with him, I'm going, man, just tell me what
you found, please, brother love. But it makes sense now.
It didn't make sense before because we didn't know about
the police knowing about this strip. And remember the police
have not confirmed any of this. These are leaked, stories leaked.
(29:31):
But now if there were these pieces of equipment that
one would not expect to find in a Hollywood, Hollywood
Hills home, but rather something we'd have in our garage probably.
But now we find out he's gone to the middle
of nowhere, two hours away from his house, stays there
for several hours, and what we tell you at the
beginning of the police believe he had help. They believed
(29:54):
that they believed that the person who killed so Lesreevus
had help in dismembering her body. Oh now, what does
that mean to the crime scene, Joe, if they didn't
find what they were looking for in the house, at
least not in total.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, one of the things I'm thinking about, because you know,
we keep talking about this county, Yeah, that a lot
of fabulously wealthy people live in by the way, all
right and adjacent to this area, People that can afford
to live in that area, and they live in that area.
And I'll just with a wink and a night I'll
(30:36):
say that if they have to work in Hollywood, a
helicopter will pick them up. Okay, that's how exclusive many
of these areas are up in this location. And yeah,
I mean, I would have to think, what would be
your purpose for going up there and.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
In the middle of the night, in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And was the body in transit along with this individual?
Why would you take a body up there? And if
you're you know, if you factor in dismemberment, okay, if
you're not doing it in the house, if you go
to a rural, isolated area, are you going to have
(31:18):
because now I begin to think about tools of dismemberment,
stuff that you have around the house. Okay, And I'm
not saying that people in the Hollywood Hills don't do
their own lawns, but I'd say a significant percentage of
them don't. You're going to have a gardener that's going
to come in and they're going to trembush us for you.
They're going to cut down trees. I don't even know
if Los Angeles County allows you to cut down trees,
(31:38):
A highly no idea. And so but anyway, beside the point,
so what type of implements would be used, Well, you
begin to think about human powered instruments, you know, we
go down the list and we begin to think about
we'll say axes and saws, all right, right, Well, with
axes and saws from a tool perspective, you're going to
(32:02):
have very specific markings on bone that can be linked
back to an implement. Okay, so if we're talking about
if you're talking about an old carpenter saw, and just
envision if you may, if you if you guys are
familiar with this, an old wooden handle saw, like you
(32:23):
might see Grandpappy using over a saw horse, you know,
where you're sawing two by four us or whatnot, very
bold teeth, very you know present, you know you see
this and if you look down, if you ever do this,
do yourself a favor. And this is fascinating. I just
taught a big section on dismemberment with my class. One
(32:43):
of classes I teach, if you look down the long
asket access of a saw, did you know that the
teeth are actually kind of offset from one another, And
so when you look at that, it leaves a very
distinctive marking. If the saw has been used for tracted
period of time, it actually takes on its own signature.
So every time you draw a saw across bone, that
(33:09):
mark will be specific to that saw. And inevitably what
happens is is that with this dismendment process, you'll have
what to refer I refer to them. This is kind
of my terminology stop starts. So if you've ever saw
a piece of wood, if you've ever attempted to begin
(33:30):
the process, many people will readjust the saw and put
it on, and they create parallel markings. Okay, so you'll
have multiple impressions on this. They might quit in the
middle of it, and then they'll start over again. Because remember,
most people that are dismembering bodies, unless there's some kind
of like just complete psychopath that has had a vast
(33:54):
experience with this, or maybe they're butchers, they're not used
to doing this. There's a kind of this revulsion that
takes place on the you know, on the part of
the perpetrator, like I can't believe I'm doing this. I've
I've got a leg in front of me, I've got
an arm in front of me. And by the way,
I'm having trouble because I have to go through the
(34:15):
soft tissue.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
To get there.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, it's a learning process. You learn that granddad's carpenter
saw doesn't work real well on soft tissue. So what
do you have to do?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Then?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well, now you bring a sharp instrument in like a
knife blade, and you have to cut through, cut through
the soft tissue to get to the bone in order
to use the saw, which you have to, you know,
use in order to dismember. Most people that are involve
(34:49):
themselves in dismemberment don't go directly to the weakest points.
They'll start like midshaft instead of going to like a joint,
like a knee joint or hip or an ankle joint
and cut through those structures and they'll just go I mean,
can you imagine, I mean, just think about the Just
(35:11):
think about how robust somebody's thigh is, all right, and
you're going to take a saw and you're actually going
to put it over the surface of the skin and
draw it back over that. Well, dude, you've got to
you've got to make several motions. And I'm not talking
about several I'm talking about it. It has to be really
robust to go back and forth to trim away the
(35:31):
material are the not the tissue rather not material, to
get down to the level of where the actual business
is conducted, where you're trying to take that tissue away
so that you can get down to the bone and
still when you get down to the bone. Let's say
you make it all the way through the bone. All right,
you're with me. On the backside of this saw incision,
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You've still got soft tissue underlying it. If we're just
talking about a human thought. So now you've got to
cut your way through that. So all the while, not
only is the implement that you're using, is it gathering,
it's gathering tissue all along the way, and you're making
other marks along the way too. It's a very frustrating process.
(36:20):
You know, if you work in the morgue, you have
access to scalpels that are you know, surgical steel. I
mean it's very very sharp, but even even and I'll
give you from my perspective of working in the morgue
and being involved in autopsies for so long, they there
are cases where I generally prefer a number twenty two
(36:43):
scalpel blade. That's what I use, okay, to do pro
sections with. So even with that blade, surgical steel, dependent
upon tissue thickness, I might have to use to scalpel
blades in order to facilitate an incision just on the
(37:06):
app the chest and the abnue. And you know the
standard why incision. You always hear that, you read that
in autopsy reports and all that stuff. Just to do that,
and a lot of that's dependent upon how large the
person is. I've actually had to use up to up
to four scalpel blades, dependent upon, you know, how weighty
the person was in order just to get through that.
(37:28):
You don't have access to People that conduct dismemberments don't
have access to those tools. You're talking about people that
are going into their kitchen to retrieve a steak knife
with a serrated edge, or maybe they think I'm going
to use a butcher knife. And you'll see on these
cases day you'll see them literally they're experiencing difficulty. They'll
(37:52):
run through several tools until they land on one that
they want to use, and they're having to fight all
the time this objectionable event that they're involved in.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It's not like clean and clinical, is what I'm saying.
So the more confused you are, and I think anybody
can identify with this, Okay, the more confuse you are
about a process, it gives you pause because it's like, okay,
I'm doing this wrong, all right, You've done things like
this in your life. You're you don't have the right tools.
(38:26):
You show up for it. Well, dismemberment, as grotesque as
this is, is not too dissimilar from that. And then you
put this heightened anxiety along with it. You wind up
creating a mess. You know. That's why, you know, when
we were talking about luminol, just just just the add
the idea that you're looking for blood. Okay, that in
(38:48):
and of itself, you think about the blood. We haven't
talked about the tissue. We haven't talked about the bone, dust,
everything else that's left behind.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm banking on the fact that the leaked information is
that she died in the spring of twenty twenty five.
The leaked information that Burke took a trip in the
middle of the night and spent multiple hours in one
location before returning in the spring of twenty twenty five.
(39:16):
The other leaked information. We've talked with every member of
the crew and we've gotten different not different stories, but
different parts of the story told by different individuals that
all fits together like a puzzle. And the leaked information
of course that well, they were in a relationship, so Joe.
(39:42):
With all the information police have, even though they haven't
they've only leaked it. They haven't done this official. It
looks like they have been able to piece together what
happened and when it happened. But we don't have the
cause of death yet.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, we don't. We don't, and that is the big mystery.
And I've actually got another reveal about this. This is
(40:19):
such a big mystery, Dave, that every single bit of
data that's rolling in for the police to try to
work this thing, they're seeking anything that they can find
to tie this back. So it's not just going to
be about the electronics. It's not just going to be
about the injuries. It's not even going to be solely
tied up in the specific time like when the body
(40:44):
is eventually discovered and anything to Tesla. It's it. You know,
the environment is going to dictate a lot. We've talked
about environmental conditions and how heat you know, increases the
rate at which you know, bodies decay. Hey, it's not
just that the environment is also dictating something else in
(41:04):
that soil deposition as well. If if there was a
trip taken up there and you're going to be involved
in something as dark as a dismemberment in this isolated location,
that means that you're coming in contact with all of
the floor up there, you're also coming in contact with
the surface dirt. Okay, was she alive? I think it's
(41:28):
one of the questions. I'm not asking you that. I'm
just kind of throwing that out there, you know, and saying,
you know, was she alive? You know on the drive
up there, you know, and then she comes back and
she's deceased because we still at this point don't know
what they actually were covered in that house. Did the
fatal event occur up north in an isolated area? We
(41:53):
don't have a cause of death right and then she's
transported back down. Did a dismemberment event take place up there?
Or did her death occur up there and the dismemberment
event took place back in La I don't know. But
if I'm asking these questions, I know that in this
dynamic environment, you know, the La County Police are considering
(42:19):
all this. And let me give you one more if
you like that one. Not only now have they involved
LA County resources relative to to what occurred there in
the Hollywood Hills. Now you've got to share this office
up there involved to their investigators are going to be
involved in this and it would not surprise me on
any level if they have not reached out to the
(42:40):
FEDS in this case as well, Dave.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
The one thing we still don't know is cause of death.
As we mentioned earlier, because the cause of death was deferred,
not an uncommon occurrence in Los Angeles County. Six hundred
and twenty five cases are currently on the books as
deferred for more testing. Waiting on toxicology, any number of
(43:04):
things is always it's not just toxicology. Sometimes other tests
have to be performed, and that's what they've left that
part open in that they don't know. And until they
actually know cause of death, everything's theoretical. Once they get
the cause of death, Joe, that's when we'll actually know something.
And it looks like something maybe moving in that direction.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Have you ever had a case where what happens if
they cannot find a true cause of death because the
remains were so whatever they are, you know that they
could Is there a way that you could actually have
some of that remains of somebody who died but you
don't know how they died, You don't know that cause
of death? What do you do with that?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Thank you for asking that question, because we hear this
all the time. I just don't know if it's applied
the same way in La Are specifically La County corner
slash medical examiner. And you know you've heard this, you
enough to talked about it non specific homicidal violence, And
let me explain the logic behind this. If you've got
(44:06):
a body that has been dismembered butchered, if you will
you know that there's violence involved, maybe because you know
you'd stated earlier, you know what if there was what
if Celisa suddenly died in her sleep and people panic,
(44:27):
they don't know what to do, all right. I've had
cases I wanted to mention this earlier, and I completely forgot.
You know, I've had cases that happened with heroin addicts
over the course of my career where you go into
like a you know, drug houses. I think you know
(44:50):
kids nowadays refer to them many times as trap houses,
but drug houses we used to call them shooting galleries,
particularly as it applied to hair addicts. You know, they
go in and they would fix and many times you've
got this kind of communal event in there that's going on.
They're all they have this one common denominator which is opiates.
(45:12):
You might have one group that is injecting, the other
group is not high, and they kind of watch after
one another. They're very docile. But if you have a
dead body, heroin addicts do not, under any circumstance, want
a dead body around them. So the point of the
story is that I've had bodies that have been wrapped
up in sheets. I've had bodies that have been wrapped
(45:34):
up in carpets, removed from a shooting gallery and taken
and deposited somewhere else. Because you want as much distance.
They want as much distance as they can. It's not
that they hate the person, but they don't want to
be associated with the dead because they want to continue,
you know, using heroin. So when you you know, you
(45:56):
take that template and you begin to think about the
movement of celeste body. Was it a panic situation? Here's
the other thing that it brings us to as well.
Let's just say that there is not Let's just say
that they're for the sake of argument, let's just say
(46:17):
that there's no homicidal violence. Okay, what if this is
something that's struggle related, how are we going to find out?
A legitimate question? Right? So, with severely decomposed bodies. The
best you're going to be able to do if you
want to find out what's in the system is a
(46:38):
qualitative qualitative amount of drugs and that means this is present.
I can't give you. I can't tell you if it's
a lethal level. So where do we look for that? Well,
you'd be surprised at how resilient the liver is in
decomposed bodies. We take slices of the organs. Okay, liver
(47:00):
and brain are two things that we look for, and
we literally spin those down and liquify them. And when
we liquify them, you can draw those up because there's
not going to be violable blood sample, particularly if you've
got drainage you know, from a dismemberment event. We spin
those down. You can actually get samples where you can say, Okay,
(47:24):
we've got opiate's present, or we've got methamphetamine present, we've
got coke metabolite that's present. All we can say though,
is that it's present. You can't come back and say
this is a lethal level.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
You think about like most most most states, for instance,
operate in a motor vehicle accident, if you're a point
zero point zero eight. Right, that's legal, okay, legal, and
you're legally intoxicated, can't be operating a vehicle. You know,
it's the same principle. You know, you might can say
(48:00):
that there's etu h. I think that that which is ethanol,
which is consumable alcohol, and like methanol. It would be
really hard, I think, in a decomposed body to come
up with, particularly one that is advanced as this, where
you could actually find that there would be some remnant
(48:21):
of drugs another place that you can look for. And
I hadn't thought about this as much, but perhaps if
the eyes are still intact, there's actually this kind of
viscous fluid that we draw it every autopsy, by the way,
directly out of the eye. It's called vitreous, and victorious
can be run and it's the circulation on the vitreous
(48:44):
and the eyes. It's this fluid that you know is
contained in our eyes. The circulation is not the same
as it is with blood and that sort of thing.
You can draw it and it's kind of like reading
the rings on a tree as the way you say that. Okay,
In this year, there was like a drought in this year,
there was like an abundance of rain, which can't really
(49:04):
say how much rain or how dry it was. You
can just say that it happened. Okay, So this is
a this is a big question, you know, for all
of the law enforcement and the me the forensics people.
The question is, I guess, at the end of the day,
as fractured as the timeline is, as fractured as this
(49:28):
weird relationship that's going on, as fractured as Celestie remains are,
what tale do they have to reveal? Brother Dave and
I are going to stay on top of this. We're
(49:49):
going to watch this because this is one of those
cases that, again speaking from my friend, we're vested. We
want to know and I hope that we can rely
relay the most accurate information to you as we find
out and mark my words, there will be an update
(50:12):
when the clouds finally part and we find out what
happened to this child. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Body dis
Body bus with Joseph's gotten more. I have said it
throughout my career. I will say it until my eyes
close in that final sleep. Identification is everything in any
investigation that you conduct. In the case involving David Burke,
(00:29):
D four D or hybrids pronounced, He's a human being,
David Burke, He's a real person. We now have an
idea on who those remains were that were in dwelling
the front of his tesla. And she was a person
(00:53):
as well, Celeste reave Us or Nandez. We know who
she is, but who was she? Who was she? What
is it that brought her life to the point where
it intersected with a young man who had a burgeoning
(01:18):
career in the music industry. And why why was her
body in multiple pieces in this tesla that belonged to
this person. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags, Dave.
(01:45):
So we are oriented here. We have to state from
the beginning that this is a continuation of an earlier
episode that we have done, because I got to tell
you right now, we're choking on data. Yeah this way,
you know, and you know I've worked cases before, Dave,
where there's so much information. I've particularly Okay, let me
(02:09):
rephrase that. I've had cases that I've worked as a
practitioner where we had a lot of data, but it
even And maybe you can address this because you've been
in media for so long and you're so good at
it that do you ever find yourself drowning in information?
And it's like you sit there, I don't know about
(02:30):
now that I'm in this world. It's like I will
lay in bed at night and will I'll try to
process everything that I may have talked about about forensics
during the day, but I have all the stuff that
creeps in, this information overload that comes in, And how
do you kind of, you know, suss this out and
try to develop a timeline.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
When Nancy Gray says, slow down, you got me drinking
out of the fire hole, that's what it feels like
a lot of time when you have a story, because
it's a lot of our time I'm investigating a story.
You're it's like pulling teeth.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Hang on, let me do an imitation real quick. Hang on,
Joe Scott. Yeah, Now, I'm just a JD. I'm not
an MD or I'm not a forensic scientist. You've got
to slow down. All right. That's a classic line, right.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It is. And that's what it feels like a lot
of time when you have a story. And like I
told you on this one with Celesteevus, there are multiple
prongs on this story and they're all bad. I told
you off the air before we started that, if not
for this story, where we are today, the story of
David Anthony Burke becoming a burgeoning star is an incredible story.
(03:45):
I will give it to you very briefly. He became
a celebrity by playing Fortnite, the video game. He's a gamer,
and he's twenty years old now it's twenty twenty five.
But back several years ago, he was playing Fortnite and
he would upload videos. You know, kids they shoot video
of themselves playing video games and they share tips and
tricks and things like that, and other kids watch it
(04:06):
on YouTube and it's a big deal. And what David
Burke did is he put music to it. Well, when
you're using copyrighted music, you get shut down. So his
YouTube videos were growing by leaps and bounds and he
was making bank. You know, he's making bank at fifteen,
sixteen years old, and YouTube shut him down. You can't
use copyrighted material in your stuff. And so he goes
(04:26):
to his mom, and we've talked to his dad is
a lawyer and his mom is now a notary public
but with a background in education. And he's been homeschooled.
He's very much a home in. This is an indoor
cap And he goes to his mom complaining about how
he has no money anymore, it's all been shut out,
and she got fed up with him. I said, Matt,
why don't you make your own music. He's singing in
(04:47):
the choir at church. He's been brought up in church,
singing in the choir and all that, and she so
he did. He actually downloaded an app on his iPhone
that shows you how to write songs, makes music, and
he goes into his sister's closet and starts writing music.
It's a talented young man that can do that. It's
not something everyone can do. And he did. Now if
(05:10):
you have him in it later on after this, after
you listen to this podcast, go look up Romantic Homicide.
That was the first big hit he had and he
went viral because he included it on his Fortnite. But
he included his own music on Fortnite and then he
used TikTok of his Fortnite videos and his music and boom,
(05:32):
all this guy's got a billion views. You know, he exploded,
and he's making bank before he ever releases a CD.
He's making so much money for himself. The record labels
are dying for him because he's creating stuff. I mean,
this guy's worth millions already. That's how he can afford
a twenty thousand dollars a month mansion in Hills Comicide
(05:53):
and his gross bloody shirts and everything. By the way, Joe,
this death, evil destruction. It's permeating his work, all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, And I got to tell you right now, I'm
thinking about Van Morrison and one of my favorite songs
is bright Side of the Road, and I'm thinking this
is so far removed. Of course Van Moore, this is
not you know, they say there's nothing new under the sun.
Ben Morrison also recorded a song called TB Sheets and
it's one of the most depressing songs that you'll ever
(06:26):
hear in your life. But the idea that someone would
write something called romantic it's a homicide.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And that it's listened to so many times it becomes
a hit makes it honey, But that's actually what led
him to his record deal and led him to becoming
a pseudo celebrity. It's also where, using his online persona,
he connected with Celeste Reevas. We think there is enough
proof out there that they've had a relationship for some time.
(06:53):
And when you look at the date the time that
she was actually reported missing from her parents' house in
Lake Elson or April fifth, twenty twenty four, Celeste of
is officially reported missing. They hung missing posters up everywhere.
They're trying to get attention from the press. Lake elsoner
is about seventy miles south from where your body was found.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But Jo, hang on one second. I got to tell our
friends something real quick. The reason I love Dave Mack
so much other than in fact he's a really cool
cat hanging out with thank you, and he's got one
of the best voices out I got to tell you
one of the things I love about this man is
his ability to take complex things and break them down,
(07:38):
particularly as applies to timelines. You would have made a
fantastic investigator, and Dave, something you have preached to me
about this case is age yep, and that's something that
is as a as a father and as a granddad,
(07:58):
which you and I occupy that same space. Yeah, it's
it is a gut punch in this case. And that's
something that I don't care how you look at this,
you cannot get past it. Please please share, share your
knowledge on this, will please?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
All Right, here's the thing, and I'm going to tell
you that I've got when children go as straight. Look,
there are children who run away. There are children who
run away from all kinds of situations that happens every day.
But in this particular case, I don't know Celestie of
his parents, don't know them at all, but she had
(08:36):
run away so many times. And in particular a teacher
of hers, one of celeste teachers, after her body was identified,
he told his class he was trying to teach his
junior high school kids about being careful with people you
meet online. And he holds up a picture a video
of her on his phone to this girl I taught
(08:57):
her last year. Oh lord, she ran away to La
to be with this guy, David Burke, and the police
brought her back home and she left again. Well, the
police been called to her house twelve times in or
thirteen times in the twelve months leading up to April fifth,
twenty twenty four, when she actually disappeared finally. But the
(09:18):
thing is that she didn't stay gone from there, Joe.
We reported her missing from that date, but in reality
she was back. She was back home in September of
that year, a year before she actually her remains were
found in la a year before. She was back home
at her parents. They just never unlisted her as missing.
We've got video of her arguing with her neighbors, her parents' neighbors,
(09:38):
because the kids were playing ding dong ditch. So les
was a handful. But Celeste Reeves had to have been
twelve when she met David Burke. Had to have been twelve,
because September seventh is a really important date in the
world of David Burke. It's the date he released Romantic Comicide.
Think about that for a minute. September seventh, and what
(10:00):
else happened on September seventh, Well, it happens to be
Celesteeves's birthday. Romantic Commiside was released on September seventh, twenty
twenty two, when Celeste was twelve. And actually what that
means if they are octogy means that he was around
her before she was twelve. She would have been eleven.
(10:23):
Burke would have been seventeen at the time. He's twenty now.
He released another song called rehabb a year later. On
September seventh, twenty twenty three, released two songs on her birthday.
The same girl that winds up dead in his trunk
frunk of his car his tesla can't be a coincidence, Joe,
(10:45):
But let's just say that it is for a minute,
and let's go this way we've talked about. They identify
the body, and what happens. The police go to his house,
they'd serve a search warrant, and word comes out of
there they're using illuminol. Yeah, why would police you is
luminol inside of a home that they're searching. And by
the way, they only came out with a couple of
(11:05):
items like computers and things like that, as and electronic
media stuff. But what would they be looking for if
they're using luminol?
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Well, the only thing you're going to be looking for
is some type of remnant of blood that's left behind,
bubb I mean, that's that's the only thing you know
that you're looking for, and for folks that are not
familiar with illuminol. It is it has what's referred to
as a chemical luminescence. I think I think that many
(11:34):
times public labors under this idea that with luminol and
even like there's another substance called blue star, right, they
think that once you sprint this stuff around, okay, that
it's it's going to automatically luminous. It happens in a
fraction of a second. So really, yeah, once the application
(11:58):
is made.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hold on, so you're looking at a room that's got
carpet that's been cleaned, Yeah, and you spray this stuff
on it and for a brief second you can see
blood spatter, but it's gone that quick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Well, the luminescence only has So that's why like these
images that you see and it comes off as like this,
it's actually a very beautiful shade of blue. You know.
Remember you have found beauty and horror sometimes and you
have to have your camera ready, so it's not like
a I guess you could say it's a one person job,
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but that ain't necessarily the case. So you have to
stand by with these applications and be able to snap
that image. Now here's The thing about it, most of
the time when you're looking for this chemical luminescence, it's
a reactive thing that's going on with the heme globin
and the blood and the chemical that's applied. Most of
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the time, what they're doing that for is it's like
if you've got a questioned area, all right, and you've
got what appears to be blood. Remember, forensically you cannot
look at a stain and say that that's blood. I
take us back to again, Idaho with the so called
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blood coming out of the house. Now, that did turn
out to be blood, But for me, I never called
that blood. I didn't. I was trained better because I
was not present for the chemical testing, right, and when
you first take a look at it, you know, it
makes really good copy. Right from the media, you know
the house is bleeding. I even read a headline like that. Scientifically,
(13:46):
I can't say that because it's not verifiable until you
have the test before you, and there's multiple tests. My
point is is that most of the time with chemical luminescence,
you're going over an area where you suspect there was
blood and there's been some effort to clean that blood up.
(14:08):
There will always be some type of particulate remnant that's
left behind. Like if you and I are looking at
the same spot, we'll say, dude, I don't see anything
that resembles blood.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
However, you take this chemical compound and you sprits it
on that area and you turn off the lights, and brother,
all of a sudden, the room glows and it's one
of those it's actually, Dave. When you're in the presence
of it, it's kind of a chilling moment. And this
(14:45):
is why, because not only can you see blood deposition patterns,
you know, like dynamic blood, you know, like we talked
about cast off and our two yeald spray and all
those things that you hear about. I think one of
the most things I've ever seen with luminol, it's drag marks,
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you know where it looks like. And for all of
our friends out there, if you want to get an
idea of what I'm talking about here, just think about yourself.
If you've got to think about your experiences in life,
if you've ever got you've ever had, like a mop,
and I mean like a real mop. I'm not talking
about one of these things, you know, like a swiffer
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or whatever. I'm talking about something that has like strengths here.
So you drag it across the floor and you realize, God,
my mop is really dirty because you're not cleaning, you're
just kind of smearing, you know what I'm saying. That's
what I'm talking about. With a drag mark. You see
the smear, the remnant that's left behind where someone has
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has drugged something away. And what's really profound if you
see somebody that say they've had a head injury, like
a fatal head injury, and the blood is like super
saturated their hair and their hair begins to act. This
is so horrible. Their hair actually begins to act like
dirty mob strings and their drug. And then you go
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back and you try to wipe that up and clean it,
you're going to see that lumine s. So it reveals
all those things that are hidden, is essentially, and it's
a marvelous tool. I mean it truly is, because those
things that people that have bad intentions are trying to
eradicate all will be revealed, you know, when you place
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this agent on it. And so that is a it's
a beautiful thing. And so you think about this dwelling,
we don't know, look do full disclosure. We don't know
at this point in time what they found, if they
did have chemical luminescence in this environment, but you have
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to think that they are going to go over this
house from stem to I find it interesting what you
mentioned they didn't come out with a lot. Okay, you
talked about computers and all this stuff, but you know
you're not going to come out of a house, you know,
with flooring most of the time. But what you will
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come out with are actual photographs that are contained on
a disc or in a storage cloud or something like that,
and that that's going to tell the tale Dave. Within
(17:44):
the last week, Dave, first off, I'm not saying that
Celeste case has fallen off the radar. Far from it.
As a matter of fact, I've had several people that
have reached out to me as if I have like
some kind of inside knowledge what status of the case. Well,
I know as much as you have. You know, it's
(18:06):
not like I've got a hotline to LAPD or to
the medical examiner. As all.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
They aren't saying anything.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
They ain't saying nothing, brother, I mean, it is locked
down tight. However, with the course of last week. Uh,
I'm not going to say that it's like a gigantic
bomb that was dropped and suddenly all things are you know,
to go back to what we first mentioned, all things
are illuminated. Now, however, we have been I don't know,
(18:33):
here's a good word. Uh, we've been in an information
drought recently about this case. And this case has been
on the tip of everybody's tongue, you know, because people
want to know you're talking. You're talking about a child.
You're talking about a child that has allegedly, allegedly been
dismembered and hidden sequestered in a car. Dave revealed to
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us again your take on this, because I know that
your neck deep in this thing and you're watching the
wires on all of this.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I'm so frustrated. And I told you this. TMZ breaks
a lot of cases, and in this case, TMZ they
called Celeste Reeve's parents, did selet's have a tattoo? How
are they getting this information? Somebody in the LAPD is
feeding them information because they know about the tattoo or
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hair or clothing. I mean, they know things that they
can only know by getting information from the inside, inside sources.
There's nothing official, nothing official, Joe, but there is information
now coming out of LAPD that makes sense what we
heard this past week. Joseph Scott Morgan is very direct.
(19:44):
We talked about the search warrant at the house and
what they may or may not have found, how they
would have found it, but what if police after By
the way police have said they have talked again leaking
this information. D four VD has a very height circle
of friends who were staying in the house with them.
They identified them by finding, well, you know, if you
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sleep in a room in a house, how you have
things on your nightstand? Yeah, you know, maybe a charger
of phone or what things that are yours and only
yours yep. And the police were able to identify, Oh,
this was Joseph Scott Morgan's room, Oh this was Dave
max room. They already know the people involved and now
they know where they were sleeping. So they've gotten that
involved in this case to know the inner circle, and
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police have talked with the inner circle. They haven't gotten
the full picture from any one of them. It's all
been compartmentalized, but getting information from this one and from
that one have led them into believing that Celeste Reeves
died in the spring of this year spring twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Wait, hang on, this completely changes the tomeline that we
were originally given. Correct.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, yeah, because but our timeline, Joe, I remember how
I told you we starting the middle. Yeh. We start
with the car being towed, and you know that's a marker, Okay,
put a marker in the day it's Toad. And then
three days later the smell attracts had called the cops,
and then we have a body. But then you're going, Okay,
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where was this car when it was Toad? How long
it had been in that spot? Okay, it had been
in that spot since July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five,
until it was Toad January fifth, I mean September fifth
rather or third. Anyway, it hadn't moved after July twenty ninth,
so and nothing was put in or taken out after
July twenty ninth. So common sense dictates Celestieva's body was
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in that car in the condition she was later found,
although more decomposed later. But we don't know if how
long she had been in there before then, because so
July twenty ninth last time it was moved. But now
they're saying that she Celeste could killed died in the
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spring of twenty twenty five. But they also say something
else d four VD David Burke in the spring of
twenty twenty five took an unusual trip in the middle
of the night, driving two hours up the coast Santa
(22:28):
Barbara County. Yeah, where there is a lot of area
that is very difficult terrain last, yes, very rural terrain.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
They the leaked information is that David Burke in the
spring of twenty twenty five took him in the middle
of the night drive up and spent several hours in
a very rural area of Santa Barbara County before returning. So, Joe,
you're an investigator, You've seen these things before. They are
they're leaking that they believe she died in the early
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spring of twenty twenty five. They believe he took a
trip in early spring twenty twenty five to this very
rural area of Santa Barbara County. And what are we
let putting two and two together, What are we looking for?
What are we going to find? What kind of evidence
if it's the last revas was taken in the middle
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of the night out into the middle of nowhere and killed.
I mean, I don't even know where to begin with.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, this is okay, you asked me as an investigator,
one of the things I'm going to be interested in
is the geo tracking here, because I want to know
if you've got it narrowed down like that, they've got
data that is suggesting they have a specific destination. Okay,
because it's not like they're saying, well, he drove up north,
(23:52):
all right, that's not what they're saying. You just said
it just second of rural Santa Barbara County, right, okay.
And by the way, Keimmy and I have made that
trip by train from Los Angeles. Suddenly, if you've never
done this, by the way, you come out of the
dirtiness of Los Angeles on a train and you start
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that trip north. This one of the most beautiful journeys
I've ever been on in my life. You're you're running
literally adjacent to the America song was just one of
my favorite songs, Ventura Highway. All right, So you're you're
running through this countryside on this train. It's absolutely gorgeous.
But what's your destination? And here's another thing with the
(24:37):
geo tracking, I'm wondering, are they downloading data off this tesla.
Was a tesla involved? Okay. Also, the other thing that
we have to consider is the idea that perhaps phones
are pinging. All right, and when I remember what I did,
(24:59):
you hear what I said that was plural phones, and
you had mentioned that they suspect that whoever did this
they have assistance. I don't know about you, and I
hate to say this about myself. I know you have
this boat anchor around your neck as well. We both
(25:20):
carry these damn things in our pocket everywhere we go.
We don't have a moment's piece, right, and that's just
the nature of who we are. It's like an appendage. Now,
so we carry phones with us everywhere we go, and
so many of these cases we've covered are going to
fall back to phones. But now in addition to that,
you got a tesla, dude, that's tracking your every move,
(25:42):
you know, no matter where you go. Yeah, it's all cool.
I can run off a battery power and so forth
and so on. But this thing is it's marking. It's marking,
you know, those hard benchmarks that you can go From
an electronic forensics perspective, this would be like if you
were an investigator in electronic forensics. This is like jackpot, Okay,
(26:11):
it's not like you're driving your grandpappy's nineteen seventy three
Chevy pickup truck. All right, it's not the not the
deal here. And I find it interesting that this remains
that were found, you know, were found within the trunk
of this car. You have to think that that's going
to be at least considered I'm not saying this absolute
(26:32):
that that would be the conveyance of the remains. And
how anybody in the right mind nowadays could think that
this car is not going to have revealing I think
the big thing here is that I think people you know,
and this is this is this has always been the case.
People always think they're never going to get caught. All right,
(26:52):
You're as how small that percentage is nowadays in the
world that we live in. This goes back to electronic
data data. You can't escape that. And even even nowadays,
they're going to say things to you. Let's just say
you're in a pre tracking car, you know nothing. If
you've got your phone, one of the questions they're going
to ask they're going to ask you is like, hey man,
(27:13):
why's your phone got dead? At this point in time,
Why is it that it just goes dark. Let's just
say you leave your phone at home. That's that's actually
a legitimate investigative question. Now that's something that twenty years
ago we would not have even considered. Man, never come Burger.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, exactly why is exactly going off during this time
period where we saw you leaving your place in Pullman, Washington,
And it makes no sense that you turned it off
there and it turned back on here. That makes no
sense because it's inconsistent with the behavior of human beings.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
But Braveview World.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, so they've been able to again, this is all
leaked information. Nothing is every bit of the labed.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Every John tittle Man.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, and so they're leaking info that he takes this
trip in the middle of the night. Well, there's other
information that we got from a private investigator or who
was hired by the owner of the mansion to go.
He wants the owner found out who was living in
the house D four VD because again, remember he didn't
rent the house, his manager in Texas did. The house
was rented for Bird. So when the owner of the
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home finds out this guy was living there and now
there's a dead body in his car. He wants to
know what happened in the house that I own, so
he hires a PI. P I goes in there, and
this is after police have already gone over the place,
After police have already gone he finds equipment he says,
would not be normal to be found inside a Hollywood
Hills home. It would be more in tune with being
(28:37):
found on a farm, something you would find in a
rural area, not in a Hollywood Hills home. Like I
don't know, chainsaw so sharp implements like a nassa guy
or a what do you call it, a sling blade?
You know, any number of things that he won't be
(28:57):
very specific because he's a PI and you know he's
only get held accountable for what he's just being general
and saying these farm implements. But Joe, why is.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
That a bizarre way? That's a bizarre phraseology.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Wouldn't you agree with that? And I'm having been on
shows with him, I'm going, man, just tell me what
you found, please, brother love. But it makes sense now.
It didn't make sense before because we didn't know about
the police knowing about this strip. And remember the police
have not confirmed any of this. These are leaked, stories leaked.
(29:31):
But now if there were these pieces of equipment that
one would not expect to find in a Hollywood, Hollywood
Hills home, but rather something we'd have in our garage probably.
But now we find out he's gone to the middle
of nowhere, two hours away from his house, stays there
for several hours, and what we tell you at the
beginning of the police believe he had help. They believed
(29:54):
that they believed that the person who killed so Lesreevus
had help in dismembering her body. Oh now, what does
that mean to the crime scene, Joe, if they didn't
find what they were looking for in the house, at
least not in total.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, one of the things I'm thinking about, because you know,
we keep talking about this county, Yeah, that a lot
of fabulously wealthy people live in by the way, all
right and adjacent to this area, People that can afford
to live in that area, and they live in that area.
And I'll just with a wink and a night I'll
(30:36):
say that if they have to work in Hollywood, a
helicopter will pick them up. Okay, that's how exclusive many
of these areas are up in this location. And yeah,
I mean, I would have to think, what would be
your purpose for going up there and.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
In the middle of the night, in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
And was the body in transit along with this individual?
Why would you take a body up there? And if
you're you know, if you factor in dismemberment, okay, if
you're not doing it in the house, if you go
to a rural, isolated area, are you going to have
(31:18):
because now I begin to think about tools of dismemberment,
stuff that you have around the house. Okay, And I'm
not saying that people in the Hollywood Hills don't do
their own lawns, but I'd say a significant percentage of
them don't. You're going to have a gardener that's going
to come in and they're going to trembush us for you.
They're going to cut down trees. I don't even know
if Los Angeles County allows you to cut down trees,
(31:38):
A highly no idea. And so but anyway, beside the point,
so what type of implements would be used, Well, you
begin to think about human powered instruments, you know, we
go down the list and we begin to think about
we'll say axes and saws, all right, right, Well, with
axes and saws from a tool perspective, you're going to
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have very specific markings on bone that can be linked
back to an implement. Okay, so if we're talking about
if you're talking about an old carpenter saw, and just
envision if you may, if you if you guys are
familiar with this, an old wooden handle saw, like you
(32:23):
might see Grandpappy using over a saw horse, you know,
where you're sawing two by four us or whatnot, very
bold teeth, very you know present, you know you see
this and if you look down, if you ever do this,
do yourself a favor. And this is fascinating. I just
taught a big section on dismemberment with my class. One
(32:43):
of classes I teach, if you look down the long
asket access of a saw, did you know that the
teeth are actually kind of offset from one another, And
so when you look at that, it leaves a very
distinctive marking. If the saw has been used for tracted
period of time, it actually takes on its own signature.
So every time you draw a saw across bone, that
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mark will be specific to that saw. And inevitably what
happens is is that with this dismendment process, you'll have
what to refer I refer to them. This is kind
of my terminology stop starts. So if you've ever saw
a piece of wood, if you've ever attempted to begin
(33:30):
the process, many people will readjust the saw and put
it on, and they create parallel markings. Okay, so you'll
have multiple impressions on this. They might quit in the
middle of it, and then they'll start over again. Because remember,
most people that are dismembering bodies, unless there's some kind
of like just complete psychopath that has had a vast
(33:54):
experience with this, or maybe they're butchers, they're not used
to doing this. There's a kind of this revulsion that
takes place on the you know, on the part of
the perpetrator, like I can't believe I'm doing this. I've
I've got a leg in front of me, I've got
an arm in front of me. And by the way,
I'm having trouble because I have to go through the
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soft tissue.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
To get there.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, it's a learning process. You learn that granddad's carpenter
saw doesn't work real well on soft tissue. So what
do you have to do?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Then?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Well, now you bring a sharp instrument in like a
knife blade, and you have to cut through, cut through
the soft tissue to get to the bone in order
to use the saw, which you have to, you know,
use in order to dismember. Most people that are involve
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themselves in dismemberment don't go directly to the weakest points.
They'll start like midshaft instead of going to like a joint,
like a knee joint or hip or an ankle joint
and cut through those structures and they'll just go I mean,
can you imagine, I mean, just think about the Just
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think about how robust somebody's thigh is, all right, and
you're going to take a saw and you're actually going
to put it over the surface of the skin and
draw it back over that. Well, dude, you've got to
you've got to make several motions. And I'm not talking
about several I'm talking about it. It has to be really
robust to go back and forth to trim away the
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material are the not the tissue rather not material, to
get down to the level of where the actual business
is conducted, where you're trying to take that tissue away
so that you can get down to the bone and
still when you get down to the bone. Let's say
you make it all the way through the bone. All right,
you're with me. On the backside of this saw incision,
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You've still got soft tissue underlying it. If we're just
talking about a human thought. So now you've got to
cut your way through that. So all the while, not
only is the implement that you're using, is it gathering,
it's gathering tissue all along the way, and you're making
other marks along the way too. It's a very frustrating process.
(36:20):
You know, if you work in the morgue, you have
access to scalpels that are you know, surgical steel. I
mean it's very very sharp, but even even and I'll
give you from my perspective of working in the morgue
and being involved in autopsies for so long, they there
are cases where I generally prefer a number twenty two
(36:43):
scalpel blade. That's what I use, okay, to do pro
sections with. So even with that blade, surgical steel, dependent
upon tissue thickness, I might have to use to scalpel
blades in order to facilitate an incision just on the
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app the chest and the abnue. And you know the
standard why incision. You always hear that, you read that
in autopsy reports and all that stuff. Just to do that,
and a lot of that's dependent upon how large the
person is. I've actually had to use up to up
to four scalpel blades, dependent upon, you know, how weighty
the person was in order just to get through that.
(37:28):
You don't have access to People that conduct dismemberments don't
have access to those tools. You're talking about people that
are going into their kitchen to retrieve a steak knife
with a serrated edge, or maybe they think I'm going
to use a butcher knife. And you'll see on these
cases day you'll see them literally they're experiencing difficulty. They'll
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run through several tools until they land on one that
they want to use, and they're having to fight all
the time this objectionable event that they're involved in.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
It.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It's not like clean and clinical, is what I'm saying.
So the more confused you are, and I think anybody
can identify with this, Okay, the more confuse you are
about a process, it gives you pause because it's like, okay,
I'm doing this wrong, all right, You've done things like
this in your life. You're you don't have the right tools.
(38:26):
You show up for it. Well, dismemberment, as grotesque as
this is, is not too dissimilar from that. And then you
put this heightened anxiety along with it. You wind up
creating a mess. You know. That's why, you know, when
we were talking about luminol, just just just the add
the idea that you're looking for blood. Okay, that in
(38:48):
and of itself, you think about the blood. We haven't
talked about the tissue. We haven't talked about the bone, dust,
everything else that's left behind.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
I'm banking on the fact that the leaked information is
that she died in the spring of twenty twenty five.
The leaked information that Burke took a trip in the
middle of the night and spent multiple hours in one
location before returning in the spring of twenty twenty five.
(39:16):
The other leaked information. We've talked with every member of
the crew and we've gotten different not different stories, but
different parts of the story told by different individuals that
all fits together like a puzzle. And the leaked information
of course that well, they were in a relationship, so Joe.
(39:42):
With all the information police have, even though they haven't
they've only leaked it. They haven't done this official. It
looks like they have been able to piece together what
happened and when it happened. But we don't have the
cause of death yet.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, we don't. We don't, and that is the big mystery.
And I've actually got another reveal about this. This is
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such a big mystery, Dave, that every single bit of
data that's rolling in for the police to try to
work this thing, they're seeking anything that they can find
to tie this back. So it's not just going to
be about the electronics. It's not just going to be
about the injuries. It's not even going to be solely
tied up in the specific time like when the body
(40:44):
is eventually discovered and anything to Tesla. It's it. You know,
the environment is going to dictate a lot. We've talked
about environmental conditions and how heat you know, increases the
rate at which you know, bodies decay. Hey, it's not
just that the environment is also dictating something else in
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that soil deposition as well. If if there was a
trip taken up there and you're going to be involved
in something as dark as a dismemberment in this isolated location,
that means that you're coming in contact with all of
the floor up there, you're also coming in contact with
the surface dirt. Okay, was she alive? I think it's
(41:28):
one of the questions. I'm not asking you that. I'm
just kind of throwing that out there, you know, and saying,
you know, was she alive? You know on the drive
up there, you know, and then she comes back and
she's deceased because we still at this point don't know
what they actually were covered in that house. Did the
fatal event occur up north in an isolated area? We
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don't have a cause of death right and then she's
transported back down. Did a dismemberment event take place up there?
Or did her death occur up there and the dismemberment
event took place back in La I don't know. But
if I'm asking these questions, I know that in this
dynamic environment, you know, the La County Police are considering
(42:19):
all this. And let me give you one more if
you like that one. Not only now have they involved
LA County resources relative to to what occurred there in
the Hollywood Hills. Now you've got to share this office
up there involved to their investigators are going to be
involved in this and it would not surprise me on
any level if they have not reached out to the
(42:40):
FEDS in this case as well, Dave.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
The one thing we still don't know is cause of death.
As we mentioned earlier, because the cause of death was deferred,
not an uncommon occurrence in Los Angeles County. Six hundred
and twenty five cases are currently on the books as
deferred for more testing. Waiting on toxicology, any number of
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things is always it's not just toxicology. Sometimes other tests
have to be performed, and that's what they've left that
part open in that they don't know. And until they
actually know cause of death, everything's theoretical. Once they get
the cause of death, Joe, that's when we'll actually know something.
And it looks like something maybe moving in that direction.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Have you ever had a case where what happens if
they cannot find a true cause of death because the
remains were so whatever they are, you know that they
could Is there a way that you could actually have
some of that remains of somebody who died but you
don't know how they died, You don't know that cause
of death? What do you do with that?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Thank you for asking that question, because we hear this
all the time. I just don't know if it's applied
the same way in La Are specifically La County corner
slash medical examiner. And you know you've heard this, you
enough to talked about it non specific homicidal violence, And
let me explain the logic behind this. If you've got
(44:06):
a body that has been dismembered butchered, if you will
you know that there's violence involved, maybe because you know
you'd stated earlier, you know what if there was what
if Celisa suddenly died in her sleep and people panic,
(44:27):
they don't know what to do, all right. I've had
cases I wanted to mention this earlier, and I completely forgot.
You know, I've had cases that happened with heroin addicts
over the course of my career where you go into
like a you know, drug houses. I think you know
(44:50):
kids nowadays refer to them many times as trap houses,
but drug houses we used to call them shooting galleries,
particularly as it applied to hair addicts. You know, they
go in and they would fix and many times you've
got this kind of communal event in there that's going on.
They're all they have this one common denominator which is opiates.
(45:12):
You might have one group that is injecting, the other
group is not high, and they kind of watch after
one another. They're very docile. But if you have a
dead body, heroin addicts do not, under any circumstance, want
a dead body around them. So the point of the
story is that I've had bodies that have been wrapped
up in sheets. I've had bodies that have been wrapped
(45:34):
up in carpets, removed from a shooting gallery and taken
and deposited somewhere else. Because you want as much distance.
They want as much distance as they can. It's not
that they hate the person, but they don't want to
be associated with the dead because they want to continue,
you know, using heroin. So when you you know, you
(45:56):
take that template and you begin to think about the
movement of celeste body. Was it a panic situation? Here's
the other thing that it brings us to as well.
Let's just say that there is not Let's just say
that they're for the sake of argument, let's just say
(46:17):
that there's no homicidal violence. Okay, what if this is
something that's struggle related, how are we going to find out?
A legitimate question? Right? So, with severely decomposed bodies. The
best you're going to be able to do if you
want to find out what's in the system is a
(46:38):
qualitative qualitative amount of drugs and that means this is present.
I can't give you. I can't tell you if it's
a lethal level. So where do we look for that? Well,
you'd be surprised at how resilient the liver is in
decomposed bodies. We take slices of the organs. Okay, liver
(47:00):
and brain are two things that we look for, and
we literally spin those down and liquify them. And when
we liquify them, you can draw those up because there's
not going to be violable blood sample, particularly if you've
got drainage you know, from a dismemberment event. We spin
those down. You can actually get samples where you can say, Okay,
(47:24):
we've got opiate's present, or we've got methamphetamine present, we've
got coke metabolite that's present. All we can say though,
is that it's present. You can't come back and say
this is a lethal level.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
All right.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
You think about like most most most states, for instance,
operate in a motor vehicle accident, if you're a point
zero point zero eight. Right, that's legal, okay, legal, and
you're legally intoxicated, can't be operating a vehicle. You know,
it's the same principle. You know, you might can say
(48:00):
that there's etu h. I think that that which is ethanol,
which is consumable alcohol, and like methanol. It would be
really hard, I think, in a decomposed body to come
up with, particularly one that is advanced as this, where
you could actually find that there would be some remnant
(48:21):
of drugs another place that you can look for. And
I hadn't thought about this as much, but perhaps if
the eyes are still intact, there's actually this kind of
viscous fluid that we draw it every autopsy, by the way,
directly out of the eye. It's called vitreous, and victorious
can be run and it's the circulation on the vitreous
(48:44):
and the eyes. It's this fluid that you know is
contained in our eyes. The circulation is not the same
as it is with blood and that sort of thing.
You can draw it and it's kind of like reading
the rings on a tree as the way you say that. Okay,
In this year, there was like a drought in this year,
there was like an abundance of rain, which can't really
(49:04):
say how much rain or how dry it was. You
can just say that it happened. Okay, So this is
a this is a big question, you know, for all
of the law enforcement and the me the forensics people.
The question is, I guess, at the end of the day,
as fractured as the timeline is, as fractured as this
(49:28):
weird relationship that's going on, as fractured as Celestie remains are,
what tale do they have to reveal? Brother Dave and
I are going to stay on top of this. We're
(49:49):
going to watch this because this is one of those
cases that, again speaking from my friend, we're vested. We
want to know and I hope that we can rely
relay the most accurate information to you as we find
out and mark my words, there will be an update
(50:12):
when the clouds finally part and we find out what
happened to this child. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Body dis
Host
Joseph Scott Morgan
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