October 28, 2025 • 50 mins
Kada Scott, 23, recent graduate of Penn State, working overnight job at an assisted living facility vanishes shortly after arriving for her shift on October 4. A massive search effort takes place until police get a very specific anonymous tip that leads them to Kada's body on October 18. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack break down the clues that helped police collar a suspect, and what investigators really discovered when the remains of Kada Scott were found in a shallow grave. Keon King, a 21-year-old man whom police allege was the last person in contact with Scott, has since been arrested and charged with murder, arson and tampering with evidence in connection with the case.
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.03 Introduction - College Professor
02:18.15 Kada Scott, Penn State Graduate
05:11.97 Working in assisted living facility from 10pm-6am
09:15.54 Kada met someone in the parking lot
14:56.56 Working overnight makes your really tired
19:26.79 Police don't always share everything they know
24:44.66 Cell phones connect to towers, place us in certain places
30:04.26 Suspect will focus on the abandoned building
35:33.89 Before cell phones, you had to find a phone booth
40:33.21 Kada had gunshot wound to the head
46:02.73 Kidnapped October 4, body found October 18
51:06.81 We will do follow-up, Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Body balance, but the Joseph's gotten more. I think probably
being a college professor, one of the most difficult things
for a incoming student to determine what kind of goes
without saying, is what am I going to major in.
(00:23):
It's kind of interesting in since that many kids that
arrive are eighteen years old, there are very very few
of them, in my experience over twenty years now in
academia that know what they want to do when they
show up. Those that do know are the exception and
not the norm. They come to a university because because
(00:47):
there's something that is attractive to them, perhaps about the
campus or the people they initially meet and engage with.
There might be some things that they're interested in. Then
others show up because mom and dad said they had
to and that they're going to this university. Well, for
(01:08):
those that make it through the academic course, which are
fewer than I think many people believe, the next big
decision is what do I want to do with my life?
You know, you've been prepared for four years. Now you're
(01:28):
pushed out onto the stage. Do I try to go
to graduate school or do I dip my toes into
the water of the real world? Not a protected, ivy
covered environment. Today, on body Bags, we're going to talk
about a young woman, a young woman who had made
(01:52):
it through the rigor of an academic experience at Penn
State University and was now starting her journey. She had
been a beauty queen, she had been a cheerleader. She
had been present on Saturday nights in Happy Valley for whiteouts,
(02:13):
one of the loudest places in the country. But nothing,
and I mean nothing could have prepared her for what
weighted just around the corner. And it was pure, unadulterated evil.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags. I can't
(02:36):
help myself, Dave. Every time one of these kind of
cases pops up involving a college kid, I always think
of my own kids, and I mean my biological kids
who have all attended college, and of course the kids
(02:56):
that are not my biological children, but the kids that
are or under my tutelage, if you will, that you
know or out there. I still think about my kids
that I educated. They're no longer kids that I started
educating twenty one years ago. I see them now with
families and they're all to the winds, all over the world,
(03:17):
and they still send me messages, you know, calling me
Professor Morgan. You know, in these messages, just checking in
whether you I saw you on television or I wanted
to tell you about my job. I want some advice,
and I'm willing to give those bits of advice.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But Kaita Scott twenty three years old. You mentioned this
is a woman who got through college. She's a beauty queen.
And you know what, she's not waiting on somebody to
roll out the yellow car or red carpet, you know,
and hop down the yellow brick road. She's getting after it.
She takes a job working in a sister living home.
She's working ten PM, two six am.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But you know, it takes a certain kind of person
to work in that environment and to get introduced to it.
You know, when you're twenty three and there's a lot
of people out there that will identify with this. I
know you do. Dave the idea of stepping out on
your own and the upside with working at night. And
(04:17):
this is what I loved is that the suits weren't around.
I love that they were asleep at home in bed.
You didn't have to deal with administrators in my case,
you didn't have to deal with political shenanigans that went
on in the office, both of the body politic within
the structure of the office, nor any of the politicians
(04:38):
that might come down, you know, from the county level
to visit. I don't want to see those people. And
you know, so you could really really do good work
at night. However, the price that you pay is that
your world is completely different than everybody else's world. If
you've got kids, you're not going to see them do
(05:00):
You're going to show up and you're not going to
remember what you saw because you do have to plan.
And it's a tough existence.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Working at an assisted living facility from ten pm to
six am. I think, ok to being in that environment.
Joe at twenty three and a beautiful young woman and
you know, former cheerleader and all that, and she's doing
this to get a start on her career, and yeah,
that's what I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, yeah, and as as well as I and you
think about it, and you think about the relationships that
you develop with the infirm or those that are in
need of your care, you know that are in this environment,
it tells you a lot about the person that would
be willing, particularly a young person. You know, those those
(05:47):
are unique young people, I think. I mean, you can
be jaded about it and say, well, they're in it
for a check. But the thing about it is when
you come face to face with someone who needs your
assistance just to go the bathroom, or maybe they need
your help with medications because they have to be given
medications at certain prescribed times. And also there's that, I
(06:12):
don't know, that deeper human connection where like you had mentioned,
they're all alone, that life that they had previously had
is kind of vaporized. They live at a distance from family,
and suddenly the person that is either working as a nurse,
an LPN are in or a CNA that's in there,
(06:33):
they become familiar with them. And it might not be
the worker that views them that way, but that person
that's in this environment, they see this individual is their
only connection and it's within that connection, Dave. That and
in this environment you had mentioned her talking to people
(06:56):
or talking to someone and David, they really chilly thing
about it is she shows up for work and it's
within a very very short period of time after she
has arrived at this facility, brother Dave, she just Ooo,
she is gone. Man, she's in the wind. No one
(07:16):
sees or leave. And I think they're really terrifying part
to this. When you're trying to work a case like
a missing young woman, you're missing a big part, a
big piece, because they didn't have functioning CCTV at this place.
There was nothing. There was no videography you know, that
can kind of track this down anyone that's looking to
(07:40):
perpetrate a crime nowadays, as you and I well know,
because we cover this over and over and over again,
it's amazing that the potential perpetrators will stick their chin
this far out because you're always at risk of being videotaped.
At some point, I say videotaped listen to me, that's
aging me, but are dating me. You think about that,
(08:02):
and there is always a potential. So you begin to
suddenly develop this idea that whoever was involved perhaps was
a very very embolden individual that was set on doing
great harm.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Dave Well, Kaita was saying to family and friends that
she had been getting what she deemed harassing phone calls
and they were kind of like drop phone out of
state phones. That there are programs that people use now
to disguise the number they're calling from, or not even
using the cell phone, using a Wi Fi connection to
(08:40):
disguise your phone and whatnot. And she was getting calls
where she couldn't determine who it was that was calling her,
and she deemed them as harassing. However, there was also
mixed in there other calls, you know, in text messages
that she was communicating with. And in one, as you mentioned,
she gets to work at ten o'clock at night, and
(09:05):
we're talking ten fifteen, she's out in the parking lot
and she is meeting somebody out there. Somebody did not
come into the assisted living home and grab her, chloroform
her and take her off, right. She willingly left to
meet someone in the parking lot. And you mentioned no
surveillance cameras, and that really is scary in this day
(09:26):
and age, as cheap as they are, please, for the love,
if you have a business that has people on the inside,
you're supposed to protect, have cameras. You know, they're fifty
bucks and you can do your whole building. But they
didn't have any of that. So all we know is
that she left and met somebody outside. We do know
that she was communicating with some body and let me
(09:48):
know when you're here, let me know when you're on
the way. And she went out and left. Now we
don't know if she got in the parking lot and
this person snatched her. We don't know that. I have
a feeling that might have happened. But she was talking
with someone she thought she knew. She willingly walked out
of the building. We do not know what happened after
(10:11):
that as to how she was taken or left that facility.
But her car was in the parking lot. And because
the employees are kind of working their own, you have
a hall or an area that you're working, you don't
necessarily see people all the time. You know you're working,
and you can pass by and not know where they are.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, can I add one more thing to this about
the nature of an assisted living center or a nursing home.
You know, Dave, when she got there, that approximates what's
referred to as And I know you've heard this because
Lord knows, and God bless you. I know you've had
to spend more time in hospitals and you wish, but
have you ever been in a facility where you hear
(10:55):
the horrible words? It's shift change and at shift change,
and all of our nursing friends that are that are
in the audience right now, all of our friends out there,
God bless you by the way that if you're a
nurse or a CNA or an LPN, that moment and
(11:17):
in that period is so frenetic because you're literally handing
off patients. Now I don't know the necessarily the nature,
but you have to take report and if there's a
problem with somebody, and generally there's more than one problem.
Somebody didn't get this, or somebody didn't get that, or
somebody's looking for them, or they have asked for something
(11:41):
special that needs to be attended to. You have to
attend to it at that moment. And if you have
contact with a resident, you have to chart it as well.
So this time period is crucial. I think that this
is really key in this particular investigation because the individuals
(12:03):
that are working there with Kada, their eyes are not
on the ball at that point in time. Their eyes
are well, they're focused on their job. Right, They're focused
on their job what they have to do. No one
would be watching Kada. And I can tell you this.
That night when she went to work, she thought that
(12:23):
she would leave the next morning after her shift was over,
as the sun is creeping up into the sky, and
maybe going to go home and get some well deserved rest.
But Kada would never sleep in her bed again. Most
(12:56):
of us cannot even begin to fathom what is like
or what it would be like. I know, I can't
to have a child that goes missing. And I don't
care how old the child is, it's still your baby.
And if I'm not mistaken, Dave, Kada was still living
(13:24):
with her mother, correct and pay close.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
With both her parents Andrew Younger's sister.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, and so she's got this family connection. And if
she's not rolling back in the door at a prescribe, Tom,
I don't know about you. Let me put it to
you this way. For all of those years, which was
probably I wouldn't say, I'd say probably close to a
third of my time working in the field as an investigator,
(13:52):
I was on overnights. I didn't hang around the office.
I didn't go out to get breakfast in the morning.
You know what I did. I went heated up my vehicle,
got it between the ditches, and I headed home and
I tried to crawl in sack as soon as I could.
I'm not lingering anywhere. So when you begin, particularly if
(14:12):
you're if you're domiciled with somebody, you know their habits.
You know that. Okay, we know how long it takes
for her to leave work get home. And maybe when
she walks in in the morning, family's having coffee, Mama
might be making breakfast, I don't know, and she's going
to get some child and then turn in. But just
(14:36):
sitting there, you know, and you're thinking, wait, she's supposed
to be here, now, where in the heck is she?
Why didn't she? You know? And that's when the phone
calls perhaps start. That's when you know, you start to
get into panic mode. Because she's good about talking to you,
she's good about staying in contact. She's good about coming
home because she her parents wouldn't allow her to be there
(14:58):
if she's disrespecting the home, can't imagine. And who wants
to run the streets at seven in the morning, right,
And you're just dog tired. For no one that has
ever worked overnight. It's one of these things. It's soul sucking.
It just sucks the life out of you. So you
want to try to get some some quality rest as
(15:20):
best you can. But yeah, I would think that from
jump straight her family would have been really concerned. You
don't hear about the families out there, Dave, that really
put their shoulder to the stone in spite are despite
rather being just overwhelmed with grief and worry and anxiety,
(15:40):
they just keep pressing forward. So when you get a
family that buys in, and not just buys in, but
they are leading the charge, it's it's I hate to say,
refreshing because you know, w'ere jaded. You and I particularly me.
You see this and you think, well, they're really wanting
(16:01):
to do the right thing here. We just hope that
everybody else that is going to be involved in an
investigation is willing to get on at the same level.
You know, And there have been cases out there where
families are quickly frustrated. But brother Dave, she she wouldn't
turned up nowhere.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And they started. I think that you know, they didn't
have surveillance video you pointed that out, no cameras, But
what they did have is something better. Almost in this
day and age, with most everybody having a cell phone,
they have a means of tracking us. Even when we
don't think they can. I want to back out right now.
At ten fifteen, a coworker said they saw her. They
(16:41):
saw Kada going towards the parking lot. Cell Phone records
showed that Kato Scott received twelve phone calls from the
same phone number between nine to twenty five and ten
twelve pm, and a forty three second phone call that
night that she went missing at ten. On nine pm,
(17:01):
she made plans to meet up with somebody in a
final text message between the two with the letters CM
meaning call me when you're here ten fifteen, investigators say boom,
the two of them are together near Kata Scott's place
of employment. Based on cell phone data, ten twenty eight pm,
(17:22):
a dark colored vehicle is seen pulling into the Aubury
Recreation Center parking lot, across the street from the abandoned
Ada Lewis Middle School. I do want to add one thing, Joe,
that was at ten twenty eight. Four minutes earlier at
ten twenty four pm, police say Kata's cell phone stopped
(17:46):
all network contact. At ten twenty four pm. Twenty three
year old college graduate working on her phone twenty four
to seven and it stopped all network contact ten twenty
four PM. We're talking. Twelve minutes after she's seen in
the parking lot, it's done. She doesn't and it does
(18:07):
not reconnect. It's done. So twelve minutes after she is
seen in the parking lot, that phone is done.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, I got what does that tell you? Yeah, well
I got to tell you. You know, one of the things
that we've learned, what case was it that was this
was such a well, it may have been the recent
unpleasantness out in Idaho, but I think there was other
cases too where individuals deactivate their phone or turn it off.
But you know, we've heard over and over again how
they can still track the phone. You know, we've heard
(18:35):
this before, Dave. This this almost sounds and we don't
have proof of this, at least I don't, And please
feel free to, you know, to correct me. Dave. Do
you think this phone was destroyed? Do you think that
it could be snapped in two? It could be crushed,
it could be you know, to the point where it's
(18:56):
it's unserviceable at this point in top because suddenly goes dead. Now,
maybe there's more to this than the police are actually
letting on.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I was going to say that, Joe, because I don't
know if it was broken, but they said it stopped
making contact, and so you're right, they might have info
they're just not letting out because they're going to need it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I agree, Listen, look in defense of the investigators,
I don't want it. I don't because if this is
going to be part of the investigation, I wish everybody
would heed my words here relative to this, because I
know people scream for information all the time. I understand
that you get caught up in cases, but sometimes sometimes
(19:44):
the police are not going to give us every last
jot and tittle, if you will, relative to everything that
we want to hear. They're going to release what they
need or what they can get by with. Because if
you're talking about a case, any cases out there that
might wind up, you know, being an actual homicide trial,
(20:06):
you do, you're not going to show your hand. I
don't think any any prosecutor or police department worth their
salt is going to show their hand. And your need
to feed yourself on more information does not supersede the
needs of the state. You know, when you're working a
case and certainly eventually maybe prosecuting a case.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Dave, well, you know, Joe, as this story was being
played in the media. Again, I'm glad you pointed out
how some people, how some people really do get into it.
They know that they have to keep the story alive
in the media because there's another one coming up. And
in this particular case, they did a good job of
keeping it in the forefront. But the police did a
(20:48):
great job at They started working this hard, using every
electronic thing possible, and they had at least a physical
place to start at the ass living center. They had
self phone communication and so they knew there were numbers
tied together. There were even though they might have been
using apps they thought were covered, you know, where you
couldn't tell who they were and where they were. Well,
(21:08):
believe me, they know. They don't be an idiot, man,
They know. Oh yeah, just like if you think for
a minute that you're not being listened to every time
your phone is on, Yeah it's got a microphone in it. Yeah,
you're being recorded, friends, I promise you that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And you know, the benefit that they have here is
the old you know, the old fallback position relative to
digital data. You've got triangulation that's going on too, just
just the GIS data that they can kind of plug
in here and track the movement. You know, you had
actually mentioned earlier that there was you know, going to
(21:47):
this abandoned site. God, that's really creepy, isn't it, going
to this abandoned site that phone can be tracked to
that location. The the really terrifying part to this is
that she kind of vanishes off of the face of
(22:09):
the planet and she's nowhere to be seen. Days go by.
We've got a week that goes by and no one
knows anything, and then suddenly there's a break in a
case and someone anonymously drops a dime. It's often been
(22:42):
said about any investigation that time is in fact the
coin of the realm. It is that thing, that element
that we value the most in any investigation because with
time we can set markers, markers moving down that linear
(23:04):
that linear track that leads us from the point of
origin to the point of conclusion. And Dave, in this case,
we've got certain markers early on that we're very aware
of relative to the I don't know, digital redcrumbs, if
you don't mind me saying, And I think that it's
(23:25):
key that we understand where these actually lead to. You
made mention of her earlier, and yes, and you know, everybody,
everybody has value. But when when you have a young
woman who is has a profile, she's profiled out as
(23:48):
being beautiful, she's young, she's a college graduate. We know
that she was, of you know, of all things, an
NCAA Division one cheerleader at arguably one of the one
of the most high profile universities in the nation. She's
going to catch the eye of a few people. And
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you know that's that's the double edged sword here, isn't it.
You never know who's lurking out there, who's watching, And
you think about her and you think, wow, if someone
was going to target somebody and maybe kidnap them, she
might be she might be a primary target.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Dave, we know Joe from the very beginning, even though
you know, we mentioned that at ten twenty four her
phone stopped contacting with all networks, but you realize, up
until ten twenty four, they knew exactly where it was,
and they were able to find out who else was
in that area, you know, because every phone connects to
a tower somewhere yep, and they do have a record
(24:50):
of every phone connecting to that tower, so they could
find out if Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack were there.
We didn't you know, we driving through our phone connected
to that tow boom at that particular time, and so
they start looking and they're going, you know, that's that
is a really big get when you think about it,
and then you realize, wait a minute, this phone number
(25:12):
contacted Cada several other times in the last few days. Okay,
now we got our suspect number one. Somebody that's been
in contact with her is in contact with her at
ten twenty four pm, and her phone stops connecting, and
this person's phone is still connecting. So at ten twenty
eight pm, they're able to get video camerick angles from
(25:32):
different residents and businesses to find a dark colored vehicle
is seen pulling into the Aubury Recreation Center parking lot
across the street from the abandoned Ada Lewis Middle School, which,
by the way, it's been abandoned for since two thousand
and eight. So we're talking about a school that has
just been sitting there, falling into disrepair, but it actually
(25:56):
butts up to a school, a high school that is
currently active. So you've got this. You got a lot
of activity around an abandoned building, but they at least
know where to start looking for people and things, and
sure enough, officials find they start finding things in the
parking lot, they find another car, they find toyda camera
(26:17):
they start looking for. Then they find this Hyundai that
was reported stolen. Now it's three days later from her disappearance,
and it's on fire by the time police get there.
Not only is the car that burned up now, it's
already been trash compacted before they even get to it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
This is mind mind boggling that it happened that quickly
with this automobile. I was shocked. I got it, you know,
because it's like when I'm going over the story, initially
I'm thinking, oh, they found a car and it was burning,
And I'm thinking, first off, if I'm going to start
a fire car is it's not my first choice. I'm
(26:57):
not going to bring Weenie's to a car fire. You know,
say it's not. It's not like you're building a bonfire.
All right. I got questions, you know, if you've got
a car on fire, I want to know, well, what
was the point of origin of the fire. Is this
just just at a baseline? Okay? I want to know
(27:18):
if someone, first off, has stolen a vehicle, I want
to know if somebody is trying to defraud based on
insurance because they're trying to destroy something, or even worse
and more sinister, was this vehicle used in the commission
of a crime and there was physical evidence within the vehicle.
How do you get from the point where, Okay, we
(27:41):
find a vehicle on fire and we're going to take
it and take it to, you know, the wrecking yard,
and we're going to put it in the you know,
if you ever saw the movie Goldfinger where they take
the car and they put it into the compactor and
they crush it down, you know, and the thing is
is compact to that point? Who does that in that
(28:03):
short period of time, Dave.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well As, we have found out evil lurks among us,
and they do things that are shocking. And that's all
I can think of, is that things that you and
I can't even imagine happening because we're not coming at
it from a criminal angle. We're coming from it at
it from a totally different place they're coming to it from.
(28:26):
Think about it. They have kidnapped and obviously we're talking
about it on body bags because Kata Scott vanishes from work.
They track her and then Keon King, a twenty one
year old man who, by the way, has already been
in trouble with the law for strangling a woman and
kidnapping her. And the only reason he got away with
(28:47):
that is because she didn't show up in court. Oh,
so they already have Keon King in their radar. They
find they forgot him surrounded by a ninety nine toy
at a camri. They've got another vehicle, and then by
being able to trace him, follow him. Now you got
a suspect, and boom. At four am on October sixth,
they see a lighter colored vehicle moving closer to where
(29:09):
the dark colored vehicle was parked, and a video shows
two people going up to a dark colored vehicle in
the parking lot and removing a heavy object consistent with
the human body from the passenger side. They're seen carrying
the object towards the By the way, you know I'm
talking about the school, did I say that?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yes? Yeah? Okay, yeah, Because.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
They're at Aubury, they're at the closed school, and like
I said, there's businesses around. There are cameras around this area,
even though it's a school. That's been abandoned.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, but you've got a high school right there, and
you've got homes that are there, and this is you know, again,
let me just interject here relative to dis abandoned location.
If you're going to perpetrate something so dark, you would
think that you would want to location that is. And
(30:02):
this gives you an idea about the focus of a
perpetrator here. They're focused only on the abandoned building. Hey,
this place is abandoned. We know that there's not going
to be points of observation. Perhaps we know that there's
not going to be active CCTV. That tells me that
an individual would have prior knowledge of this location. It
actually makes me think, is there anything else that's adjacent
(30:25):
to this building? Is there anything inside of this abandoned building?
Some evidence of other crimes? Wink wink, nod nod. You know,
thinking about this because this is a destination for someone
that wants to do something that's very malevolent. But their
focus is there, it's not on the functioning CCTV at
the current high school and also the other associated businesses
(30:48):
and homes around there. I go back and I think
about this compacted car that has already been subjected to
heat fire, Dave, that car or what remained of it,
just imagine the most hellish nightmare jigsaw puzzle that you
(31:10):
can imagine. If there is evidence within that vehicle and
they did not take time to collect it, guess what
has to happen. This thing's going to have to be
unspun in some way. Can you imagine the headache that
that would be to go in and try to dismantle
a compacted car, to go in and see if you
(31:32):
can find some remnant of perhaps biological material in there.
Because as it turns out, Dave, as it turns out,
this vehicle may have well have been a conveyance that
this precious girl would have been in. We don't know
what the stats we do know and again this is
(31:54):
just me just kind of throwing this out there. We
do know that her phone may have been destroyed. I
don't know about you, but that's a signal to me
that there is a willingness to do violence at that
point in time, anytime you destroy and listen, you know,
phones to kids nowadays are some of the most value.
(32:17):
They are the single most valuable thing that many of
them possess. Right, both what they mean to them, and
also how much they how much these things cost? Right?
And so if you how menacing is this if you
take a phone, throw it on the ground and stomp
on it, or you crack it in have or you
take a hammer to it or something like this just
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to try to destroy the thing, that's menacing behavior. What
could have happened in that car? Was there any biological
data that was lost as a result of the fire
or worse, you know, it being compacted?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Dave, it's so sad Jovid. Everything you just said is
absolutely positively true and is what is going to have
to happen. Have to find a way to find out
about well what DNA exists in that compacted car, because
you've got her leaving her place of business. We've got
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her there, but then you have her, well we see them,
they being these unknown figures. Well we know one of
them's Keon King because they arrested him on kidnapping charges.
They you know, because he was with her. Their phones
were matched up, they were talking and texting and the
last time she was seen was well she's headed that way,
and there he is. And so they start tracing Keon King.
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They start finding well, we got him tracking back and
forth towards this old school, and they go to the
school and they're looking in the parking lot, and that's
when we first got the headline. Hey, they found some
of Kata Scott's belongings in the parking lot around the
school at the closed Ada Lewis Middle School. And you
(33:55):
mentioned a minute ago about dropping a dime. Now, they
being police, a lot of the information we have now
when we give you the timetable, they did not have
that in real time. They have that now. They didn't
have it then, because all of this is put together
after the fact. Police were blind going into this. They
get a call and go there and oh, we found something.
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Then they get another call and oh, we found something else.
Then they get a very specific, anonymous tip that sends
them to an area behind the school. And in this
particular case, I mentioned that this old abandoned school backs
into a currently populated high school. But there's a lot
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of area between the two that is not used. You know,
it's just trashy, jungled up stuff. There's nothing going on
out there. It's not a place anybody would take a
short cut. But if you were going to get rid
of a body, there you go, and so this very
specific anonymous tip. By the way, dropping a dime. It
used to cost a die to make a phone call.
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Before we had a phone in our pocket, there were
these things. If you were out driving around and needed
to call somebody, there was this booth that was usually
a glass box on the side of the road, and
there was a phone in there and you had to
put change of dime into it and you could make
a phone call.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Can I interject something, right? I just had a memory.
I got to tell you this before the day of
cell phones, and I had a police radio with me
everywhere I went, but you had to make landline calls
back then, Dave, I'm revealing a deep, dark secret here.
I used to have a Do you remember the purple
(35:41):
and gold velvet crown royal bags? Do you remember those
that the whiskey would come in. I had one of
those bags and it was packed to the top at
all time with quarters, and I kept it underneath the
seat of my car of the unit that I drove,
so that I would have access us to go to
(36:01):
a payphone to make a phone. People cannot identify with
that now, but yeah, I use that term dropping a
dime because that's an old euphemistic term relative to somebody
rolled over on somebody here, And Dave, I got to
tell you, I got to tell you. If we've got
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this guy in custody on kidnapping, who else is involved
in this who would have knowledge of her body is there?
And it was something really dark that was said. It
was like she's there, or like her remains are there,
or you didn't look hard enough. I'm not really sure
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you know how what the phraseology was, but you need
to go back out and look again.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And you didn't do the job, man, get back out there,
and you know, and they did. That's how they found
it because they're actually walking in an area. Okay, they
still don't know they're in the exact area where and
the police are looking around. There's more than one and
there's a piece of wood. And when you find a
piece of wood just kind of amongst dirt, yeah, it
(37:10):
feels different. And when you look around, you're going, hey,
this is a softer spot than that is. And then
they lift it up and go, well, here's some disturbed ground.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Ye turn the earth.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
They were surprised they found. They started digging with their
bare hands, Joe and they said, as soon as they
started clearing the dirt, they smelled, They had a smell,
and there were maggots. Now, Joe, what does the dirt
with maggots and smell mean to you.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, it means that you have you have remains. Now
of course that you know, you're hoping against hope, if
you're an investigator, that what you're about to uncover is
not human remains. You hope that somebody took Fido out there,
because the other thing that they may not have made
note of at the time. You're also going to have flies,
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and those flies will be circling that area, copious flies.
Flies burrow. People don't realize that they will burrow to
get down to a specific area. They will lay their eggs.
And you know the fact that you have maggot development.
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By this time, you could have gone through a couple
of early generations of flies. I think you would find
maggot husk, which means that you would find maggot that
had actually developed or were beginning to develop, and they
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could shed husk. We don't really know about the timeline
at this point. I'm waiting to hear more information from
from a perspective, it's key relative to forensic entomology, because
this is going to be key to talk about this.
At the scene, one of the things that we do
is that we actually collect a variety of samples of
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maggot at the scene and we put them into little
glass jars and fill them with alcohol, and of course
that puts them well, it kills them, but it puts
them in a static or in stasis, so that we
can hand these off to an entomologist and they can
do an assessment on the development cycle of these maggots
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and it gives you a specific time, you know how long,
because they have a formula they can work out and
they can say, this is how long it takes for
a fly to lay an egg or the species of
fly to lay an egg, and then this is how
long you're going through the developmental cycle of these of
these flows. If they're a husk lying about, which are
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shed that that outer heartshell it becomes a hard shell,
that's also a clue you want to collect those. There
may be maggot that are actually collected when you get
back to back to the autopsy suite as well. And
one of the interesting things we don't really know clothing
(40:10):
status at least, I don't at this point. But if
there are any injuries, Dave, whatsoever. Okay, that's a big
signal for the for the fly.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, well you know she was shot in the head.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, we do, and that has just recently in the
last few days, they finally released or cause of death.
So if you have a gunshot wound to the back
of the head, that area would be It's kind of
a fascinating thing. Sometimes you can look at a body, Dave,
and where you will see a huge concentration of maggot activity.
(40:53):
Many times that's an indication of an injury. Because the
area is open, it's open, it's warm, it's wet. H
These flies will lay their eggs in the spot because
their goal, the flies goal is generationally to keep going,
you know. They all they do is fly about and
make baby flies and then they move on and their
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life cycle is very short, so they do this continuation thing.
That's why. You know, if you show up on a
decomposing remain and it's covered in flies, and it can
be an animal remain, or it can be you know,
it can be the remains of a human. It's the
same process they you know, or food stuffs that are
laid out, you know, so that can be a big
(41:39):
tail there. And if there's if say, for instance, there
are any orifices I'm trying to be very delicate with this,
any orifices that are exposed, you will find uh, you
will find eggs there as well, and also maggot activity.
I've had cases day and it's a lot of it
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is mentally dependent upon how warm the area is. I've
had people, Dave, I was just talking about this in
class the other day. As a matter of fact, I've
had cases where within I think two to three hours,
I actually had fly eggs in the eyes of the
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deceased within two to three hours of death. And yet
people don't always close their eyes and death that's a fallacy,
and so you will. And the eyes are a particular
interest to flies because it's wet and it's moist. They'll
go into the nose and their eyes and the mouth
of the mouth is open, those sorts of things. So anyway, yeah,
that's going to be a big part to this. The
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other part, though, is that they have now released the
cause of death, and I guess the big question here
is a couple of things. First off, where there Was
she killed in the spot? Was this area dugout? Well,
(43:06):
obviously it was if they were having to dig down
and they took a board and placed it over the top.
If she was killed in that spot, was there a
pre dug hole? Okay? Did they make her kneel and
I'm saying they because at this time I don't know
if there's only just one person involved. Did they make
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her kneel in the hole and shoot her execute her?
Was there a spent casing that was recovered at the
scene that could be tied back. That's going to be
a big tail about the weapon. Do they recover a
weapon and then also relationally from a physical standpoint of
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firing a weapon. Was the individual standing to her rear
with her in a fully erect position and walked up
behind her and shot or was she in an kneeling
posture where they're firing down into the back of the head.
Was the injury even to the back of the head
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or was it to the side of the head? Was
it in the front of the head. I've had I've
had execution stave that all planes of the head are used.
It's not you know, people say this is interesting. People
will say, well, it's a classic execution style killing. Well,
what do you mean by that classic classic in what
(44:29):
in the sense of you've been watching The Godfather, or
in the sense of you've worked so many death scenes
that this is all you've ever seen. Because I got
to tell you, I've had people that were executed by
being shot in the forehead. I've had people that have
been executed shot in the temple. I've had people I've
actually had one case where an individual was forced to
(44:51):
place their mouth on the muzzle of the well and
that is very rare. You see that in movies. So
we don't really know. But the relationship, the physical relationship
between the end of that muzzle and wherever, wherever the
round wound up in this precious child's head is going
to be key here because we'll know what kind of
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position she was in and those those you know, those
last moments of her life there in that dark, dirty area,
you know, and she's seemingly has exited her place of
work under her own free will. We've got these messages
what kind of relationship pre existed with this person who
(45:35):
has now been charged. I charged now at this point,
not just with kidnapping, several other charges including they had
a real interesting one on there called causing a catastrophe,
which I have never in my life heard this term before.
And I guess that has to do with fire setting.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
They got in there too.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, and there's arson, so yeah, they've really thrown the
book at him and now he's staring down the barrel.
No pun intended of homsaw charge as well.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Let me ask you something, Joe, because a concern of mine.
She was kidnapped, kidnapped the night of October the fourth,
or that's the night she left work. And they police
know things they're not telling us, and they are saying
she was kidnapped, So I'm going to go with that.
But she went to the parking lot. Maybe she was
(46:25):
being threatened, Hey, if you don't come out here, we're
going to kill your parents. Yeah, I don't know, but
she went to that parking lot under her own momentum, our,
own wheels, And anyway, they're suggested. Her date of death
is listed as October eighteenth, that's the day her body
was found.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, but they believed she.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Was killed shortly after she was kidnapped October the fourth.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Thanks for asking, No, it's not Thanks for asking this question.
And because right now I'm going to educate people on
two terms. I'm so glad you set this up. And
by the way, we did not plan this. I'm so
glad you said this because data death and data pronouncement
are two completely different things. If you watch any kind
(47:11):
of like medical procedural show on television, they'll say, when
did you you know where the person says, we're calling
it now? You know, like that the physician or whoever
it is, they're running a code in some emergency fictional
emergency room. Well, yeah, that is a time of pronouncement.
And in many states, depend upon the state you're in,
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the corner can actually pronounce, or the medical examiner can
actually pronounce. You show up, you've got a decomposing body,
the corner will write down a time of pronouncement. That is,
that's an official designation that's to go on the death certificate. Okay,
so we're going to call it today's date at this time.
(47:57):
That's different than the time of death. Time of death
is actually a diagnosis, if you will, a postmortem diagnosis,
and the best you can do is kind of ballpark it,
you know, So if you go back and remember when
they think when they think she actually died. Time of
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death is a single digit date. Time of death, and
of course when she was pronounced is a double digit date.
So you've got this time that has passed. But one
is actually a biological finding that you're you know, you're
kind of taking a stab at the dark in the dark,
and this can be very confusing for people, and rightly
(48:38):
it makes sense that it would be confusing, but they're
completely two different things. I think what people are going
to be asking is what she did, what she dead
on that same night, or had she been spirited away
(48:59):
somewhere because they've leaned into this kidnapping charge. Now, kidnapping
does not mean that you kidnapped an individual and sustained
them for a long period of time. However, I think
that investigators, and rightly so, should entertain the thought. They're
going to try to understand this and see if they
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can assess and forensics is going to be a big
part of this. They're going to look at some forensic pathologist,
they're going to look at an entomologist, and they're going
to say, based on your findings, do you think that
there's possibility she died relatively close to the last time
she was seen alive because they'rein rest, a big change
in the narrative and also one more thing that we
(49:43):
have to remember in her case. We have to remember
that though one person has been charged with multiple offenses,
there are others that are in case. Brother Dave and
I are going to keep you up to speed on
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this case because, just like you, we want to know.
I want to know who else perhaps had a hand
in the destruction, the murder of this beautiful child and
robbed the world of someone that probably would have made
(50:28):
it a lot brighter. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Bonnybags.
Body balance, but the Joseph's gotten more. I think probably
being a college professor, one of the most difficult things
for a incoming student to determine what kind of goes
without saying, is what am I going to major in.
(00:23):
It's kind of interesting in since that many kids that
arrive are eighteen years old, there are very very few
of them, in my experience over twenty years now in
academia that know what they want to do when they
show up. Those that do know are the exception and
not the norm. They come to a university because because
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there's something that is attractive to them, perhaps about the
campus or the people they initially meet and engage with.
There might be some things that they're interested in. Then
others show up because mom and dad said they had
to and that they're going to this university. Well, for
(01:08):
those that make it through the academic course, which are
fewer than I think many people believe, the next big
decision is what do I want to do with my life?
You know, you've been prepared for four years. Now you're
(01:28):
pushed out onto the stage. Do I try to go
to graduate school or do I dip my toes into
the water of the real world? Not a protected, ivy
covered environment. Today, on body Bags, we're going to talk
about a young woman, a young woman who had made
(01:52):
it through the rigor of an academic experience at Penn
State University and was now starting her journey. She had
been a beauty queen, she had been a cheerleader. She
had been present on Saturday nights in Happy Valley for whiteouts,
(02:13):
one of the loudest places in the country. But nothing,
and I mean nothing could have prepared her for what
weighted just around the corner. And it was pure, unadulterated evil.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags. I can't
(02:36):
help myself, Dave. Every time one of these kind of
cases pops up involving a college kid, I always think
of my own kids, and I mean my biological kids
who have all attended college, and of course the kids
(02:56):
that are not my biological children, but the kids that
are or under my tutelage, if you will, that you
know or out there. I still think about my kids
that I educated. They're no longer kids that I started
educating twenty one years ago. I see them now with
families and they're all to the winds, all over the world,
(03:17):
and they still send me messages, you know, calling me
Professor Morgan. You know, in these messages, just checking in
whether you I saw you on television or I wanted
to tell you about my job. I want some advice,
and I'm willing to give those bits of advice.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But Kaita Scott twenty three years old. You mentioned this
is a woman who got through college. She's a beauty queen.
And you know what, she's not waiting on somebody to
roll out the yellow car or red carpet, you know,
and hop down the yellow brick road. She's getting after it.
She takes a job working in a sister living home.
She's working ten PM, two six am.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But you know, it takes a certain kind of person
to work in that environment and to get introduced to it.
You know, when you're twenty three and there's a lot
of people out there that will identify with this. I
know you do. Dave the idea of stepping out on
your own and the upside with working at night. And
(04:17):
this is what I loved is that the suits weren't around.
I love that they were asleep at home in bed.
You didn't have to deal with administrators in my case,
you didn't have to deal with political shenanigans that went
on in the office, both of the body politic within
the structure of the office, nor any of the politicians
(04:38):
that might come down, you know, from the county level
to visit. I don't want to see those people. And
you know, so you could really really do good work
at night. However, the price that you pay is that
your world is completely different than everybody else's world. If
you've got kids, you're not going to see them do
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You're going to show up and you're not going to
remember what you saw because you do have to plan.
And it's a tough existence.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Working at an assisted living facility from ten pm to
six am. I think, ok to being in that environment.
Joe at twenty three and a beautiful young woman and
you know, former cheerleader and all that, and she's doing
this to get a start on her career, and yeah,
that's what I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, yeah, and as as well as I and you
think about it, and you think about the relationships that
you develop with the infirm or those that are in
need of your care, you know that are in this environment,
it tells you a lot about the person that would
be willing, particularly a young person. You know, those those
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are unique young people, I think. I mean, you can
be jaded about it and say, well, they're in it
for a check. But the thing about it is when
you come face to face with someone who needs your
assistance just to go the bathroom, or maybe they need
your help with medications because they have to be given
medications at certain prescribed times. And also there's that, I
(06:12):
don't know, that deeper human connection where like you had mentioned,
they're all alone, that life that they had previously had
is kind of vaporized. They live at a distance from family,
and suddenly the person that is either working as a nurse,
an LPN are in or a CNA that's in there,
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they become familiar with them. And it might not be
the worker that views them that way, but that person
that's in this environment, they see this individual is their
only connection and it's within that connection, Dave. That and
in this environment you had mentioned her talking to people
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or talking to someone and David, they really chilly thing
about it is she shows up for work and it's
within a very very short period of time after she
has arrived at this facility, brother Dave, she just Ooo,
she is gone. Man, she's in the wind. No one
(07:16):
sees or leave. And I think they're really terrifying part
to this. When you're trying to work a case like
a missing young woman, you're missing a big part, a
big piece, because they didn't have functioning CCTV at this place.
There was nothing. There was no videography you know, that
can kind of track this down anyone that's looking to
(07:40):
perpetrate a crime nowadays, as you and I well know,
because we cover this over and over and over again,
it's amazing that the potential perpetrators will stick their chin
this far out because you're always at risk of being videotaped.
At some point, I say videotaped listen to me, that's
aging me, but are dating me. You think about that,
(08:02):
and there is always a potential. So you begin to
suddenly develop this idea that whoever was involved perhaps was
a very very embolden individual that was set on doing
great harm.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Dave Well, Kaita was saying to family and friends that
she had been getting what she deemed harassing phone calls
and they were kind of like drop phone out of
state phones. That there are programs that people use now
to disguise the number they're calling from, or not even
using the cell phone, using a Wi Fi connection to
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disguise your phone and whatnot. And she was getting calls
where she couldn't determine who it was that was calling her,
and she deemed them as harassing. However, there was also
mixed in there other calls, you know, in text messages
that she was communicating with. And in one, as you mentioned,
she gets to work at ten o'clock at night, and
(09:05):
we're talking ten fifteen, she's out in the parking lot
and she is meeting somebody out there. Somebody did not
come into the assisted living home and grab her, chloroform
her and take her off, right. She willingly left to
meet someone in the parking lot. And you mentioned no
surveillance cameras, and that really is scary in this day
(09:26):
and age, as cheap as they are, please, for the love,
if you have a business that has people on the inside,
you're supposed to protect, have cameras. You know, they're fifty
bucks and you can do your whole building. But they
didn't have any of that. So all we know is
that she left and met somebody outside. We do know
that she was communicating with some body and let me
(09:48):
know when you're here, let me know when you're on
the way. And she went out and left. Now we
don't know if she got in the parking lot and
this person snatched her. We don't know that. I have
a feeling that might have happened. But she was talking
with someone she thought she knew. She willingly walked out
of the building. We do not know what happened after
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that as to how she was taken or left that facility.
But her car was in the parking lot. And because
the employees are kind of working their own, you have
a hall or an area that you're working, you don't
necessarily see people all the time. You know you're working,
and you can pass by and not know where they are.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, can I add one more thing to this about
the nature of an assisted living center or a nursing home.
You know, Dave, when she got there, that approximates what's
referred to as And I know you've heard this because
Lord knows, and God bless you. I know you've had
to spend more time in hospitals and you wish, but
have you ever been in a facility where you hear
(10:55):
the horrible words? It's shift change and at shift change,
and all of our nursing friends that are that are
in the audience right now, all of our friends out there,
God bless you by the way that if you're a
nurse or a CNA or an LPN, that moment and
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in that period is so frenetic because you're literally handing
off patients. Now I don't know the necessarily the nature,
but you have to take report and if there's a
problem with somebody, and generally there's more than one problem.
Somebody didn't get this, or somebody didn't get that, or
somebody's looking for them, or they have asked for something
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special that needs to be attended to. You have to
attend to it at that moment. And if you have
contact with a resident, you have to chart it as well.
So this time period is crucial. I think that this
is really key in this particular investigation because the individuals
(12:03):
that are working there with Kada, their eyes are not
on the ball at that point in time. Their eyes
are well, they're focused on their job. Right, They're focused
on their job what they have to do. No one
would be watching Kada. And I can tell you this.
That night when she went to work, she thought that
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she would leave the next morning after her shift was over,
as the sun is creeping up into the sky, and
maybe going to go home and get some well deserved rest.
But Kada would never sleep in her bed again. Most
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of us cannot even begin to fathom what is like
or what it would be like. I know, I can't
to have a child that goes missing. And I don't
care how old the child is, it's still your baby.
And if I'm not mistaken, Dave, Kada was still living
(13:24):
with her mother, correct and pay close.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
With both her parents Andrew Younger's sister.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, and so she's got this family connection. And if
she's not rolling back in the door at a prescribe, Tom,
I don't know about you. Let me put it to
you this way. For all of those years, which was
probably I wouldn't say, I'd say probably close to a
third of my time working in the field as an investigator,
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I was on overnights. I didn't hang around the office.
I didn't go out to get breakfast in the morning.
You know what I did. I went heated up my vehicle,
got it between the ditches, and I headed home and
I tried to crawl in sack as soon as I could.
I'm not lingering anywhere. So when you begin, particularly if
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you're if you're domiciled with somebody, you know their habits.
You know that. Okay, we know how long it takes
for her to leave work get home. And maybe when
she walks in in the morning, family's having coffee, Mama
might be making breakfast, I don't know, and she's going
to get some child and then turn in. But just
(14:36):
sitting there, you know, and you're thinking, wait, she's supposed
to be here, now, where in the heck is she?
Why didn't she? You know? And that's when the phone
calls perhaps start. That's when you know, you start to
get into panic mode. Because she's good about talking to you,
she's good about staying in contact. She's good about coming
home because she her parents wouldn't allow her to be there
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if she's disrespecting the home, can't imagine. And who wants
to run the streets at seven in the morning, right,
And you're just dog tired. For no one that has
ever worked overnight. It's one of these things. It's soul sucking.
It just sucks the life out of you. So you
want to try to get some some quality rest as
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best you can. But yeah, I would think that from
jump straight her family would have been really concerned. You
don't hear about the families out there, Dave, that really
put their shoulder to the stone in spite are despite
rather being just overwhelmed with grief and worry and anxiety,
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they just keep pressing forward. So when you get a
family that buys in, and not just buys in, but
they are leading the charge, it's it's I hate to say,
refreshing because you know, w'ere jaded. You and I particularly me.
You see this and you think, well, they're really wanting
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to do the right thing here. We just hope that
everybody else that is going to be involved in an
investigation is willing to get on at the same level.
You know, And there have been cases out there where
families are quickly frustrated. But brother Dave, she she wouldn't
turned up nowhere.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And they started. I think that you know, they didn't
have surveillance video you pointed that out, no cameras, But
what they did have is something better. Almost in this
day and age, with most everybody having a cell phone,
they have a means of tracking us. Even when we
don't think they can. I want to back out right now.
At ten fifteen, a coworker said they saw her. They
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saw Kada going towards the parking lot. Cell Phone records
showed that Kato Scott received twelve phone calls from the
same phone number between nine to twenty five and ten
twelve pm, and a forty three second phone call that
night that she went missing at ten. On nine pm,
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she made plans to meet up with somebody in a
final text message between the two with the letters CM
meaning call me when you're here ten fifteen, investigators say boom,
the two of them are together near Kata Scott's place
of employment. Based on cell phone data, ten twenty eight pm,
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a dark colored vehicle is seen pulling into the Aubury
Recreation Center parking lot, across the street from the abandoned
Ada Lewis Middle School. I do want to add one thing, Joe,
that was at ten twenty eight. Four minutes earlier at
ten twenty four pm, police say Kata's cell phone stopped
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all network contact. At ten twenty four pm. Twenty three
year old college graduate working on her phone twenty four
to seven and it stopped all network contact ten twenty
four PM. We're talking. Twelve minutes after she's seen in
the parking lot, it's done. She doesn't and it does
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not reconnect. It's done. So twelve minutes after she is
seen in the parking lot, that phone is done.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, I got what does that tell you? Yeah, well
I got to tell you. You know, one of the things
that we've learned, what case was it that was this
was such a well, it may have been the recent
unpleasantness out in Idaho, but I think there was other
cases too where individuals deactivate their phone or turn it off.
But you know, we've heard over and over again how
they can still track the phone. You know, we've heard
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this before, Dave. This this almost sounds and we don't
have proof of this, at least I don't, And please
feel free to, you know, to correct me. Dave. Do
you think this phone was destroyed? Do you think that
it could be snapped in two? It could be crushed,
it could be you know, to the point where it's
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it's unserviceable at this point in top because suddenly goes dead. Now,
maybe there's more to this than the police are actually
letting on.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I was going to say that, Joe, because I don't
know if it was broken, but they said it stopped
making contact, and so you're right, they might have info
they're just not letting out because they're going to need it.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I agree, Listen, look in defense of the investigators,
I don't want it. I don't because if this is
going to be part of the investigation, I wish everybody
would heed my words here relative to this, because I
know people scream for information all the time. I understand
that you get caught up in cases, but sometimes sometimes
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the police are not going to give us every last
jot and tittle, if you will, relative to everything that
we want to hear. They're going to release what they
need or what they can get by with. Because if
you're talking about a case, any cases out there that
might wind up, you know, being an actual homicide trial,
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you do, you're not going to show your hand. I
don't think any any prosecutor or police department worth their
salt is going to show their hand. And your need
to feed yourself on more information does not supersede the
needs of the state. You know, when you're working a
case and certainly eventually maybe prosecuting a case.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Dave, well, you know, Joe, as this story was being
played in the media. Again, I'm glad you pointed out
how some people, how some people really do get into it.
They know that they have to keep the story alive
in the media because there's another one coming up. And
in this particular case, they did a good job of
keeping it in the forefront. But the police did a
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great job at They started working this hard, using every
electronic thing possible, and they had at least a physical
place to start at the ass living center. They had
self phone communication and so they knew there were numbers
tied together. There were even though they might have been
using apps they thought were covered, you know, where you
couldn't tell who they were and where they were. Well,
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believe me, they know. They don't be an idiot, man,
They know. Oh yeah, just like if you think for
a minute that you're not being listened to every time
your phone is on, Yeah it's got a microphone in it. Yeah,
you're being recorded, friends, I promise you that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And you know, the benefit that they have here is
the old you know, the old fallback position relative to
digital data. You've got triangulation that's going on too, just
just the GIS data that they can kind of plug
in here and track the movement. You know, you had
actually mentioned earlier that there was you know, going to
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this abandoned site. God, that's really creepy, isn't it, going
to this abandoned site that phone can be tracked to
that location. The the really terrifying part to this is
that she kind of vanishes off of the face of
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the planet and she's nowhere to be seen. Days go by.
We've got a week that goes by and no one
knows anything, and then suddenly there's a break in a
case and someone anonymously drops a dime. It's often been
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said about any investigation that time is in fact the
coin of the realm. It is that thing, that element
that we value the most in any investigation because with
time we can set markers, markers moving down that linear
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that linear track that leads us from the point of
origin to the point of conclusion. And Dave, in this case,
we've got certain markers early on that we're very aware
of relative to the I don't know, digital redcrumbs, if
you don't mind me saying, And I think that it's
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key that we understand where these actually lead to. You
made mention of her earlier, and yes, and you know, everybody,
everybody has value. But when when you have a young
woman who is has a profile, she's profiled out as
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being beautiful, she's young, she's a college graduate. We know
that she was, of you know, of all things, an
NCAA Division one cheerleader at arguably one of the one
of the most high profile universities in the nation. She's
going to catch the eye of a few people. And
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you know that's that's the double edged sword here, isn't it.
You never know who's lurking out there, who's watching, And
you think about her and you think, wow, if someone
was going to target somebody and maybe kidnap them, she
might be she might be a primary target.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Dave, we know Joe from the very beginning, even though
you know, we mentioned that at ten twenty four her
phone stopped contacting with all networks, but you realize, up
until ten twenty four, they knew exactly where it was,
and they were able to find out who else was
in that area, you know, because every phone connects to
a tower somewhere yep, and they do have a record
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of every phone connecting to that tower, so they could
find out if Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack were there.
We didn't you know, we driving through our phone connected
to that tow boom at that particular time, and so
they start looking and they're going, you know, that's that
is a really big get when you think about it,
and then you realize, wait a minute, this phone number
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contacted Cada several other times in the last few days. Okay,
now we got our suspect number one. Somebody that's been
in contact with her is in contact with her at
ten twenty four pm, and her phone stops connecting, and
this person's phone is still connecting. So at ten twenty
eight pm, they're able to get video camerick angles from
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different residents and businesses to find a dark colored vehicle
is seen pulling into the Aubury Recreation Center parking lot
across the street from the abandoned Ada Lewis Middle School, which,
by the way, it's been abandoned for since two thousand
and eight. So we're talking about a school that has
just been sitting there, falling into disrepair, but it actually
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butts up to a school, a high school that is
currently active. So you've got this. You got a lot
of activity around an abandoned building, but they at least
know where to start looking for people and things, and
sure enough, officials find they start finding things in the
parking lot, they find another car, they find toyda camera
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they start looking for. Then they find this Hyundai that
was reported stolen. Now it's three days later from her disappearance,
and it's on fire by the time police get there.
Not only is the car that burned up now, it's
already been trash compacted before they even get to it.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
This is mind mind boggling that it happened that quickly
with this automobile. I was shocked. I got it, you know,
because it's like when I'm going over the story, initially
I'm thinking, oh, they found a car and it was burning,
And I'm thinking, first off, if I'm going to start
a fire car is it's not my first choice. I'm
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not going to bring Weenie's to a car fire. You know,
say it's not. It's not like you're building a bonfire.
All right. I got questions, you know, if you've got
a car on fire, I want to know, well, what
was the point of origin of the fire. Is this
just just at a baseline? Okay? I want to know
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if someone, first off, has stolen a vehicle, I want
to know if somebody is trying to defraud based on
insurance because they're trying to destroy something, or even worse
and more sinister, was this vehicle used in the commission
of a crime and there was physical evidence within the vehicle.
How do you get from the point where, Okay, we
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find a vehicle on fire and we're going to take
it and take it to, you know, the wrecking yard,
and we're going to put it in the you know,
if you ever saw the movie Goldfinger where they take
the car and they put it into the compactor and
they crush it down, you know, and the thing is
is compact to that point? Who does that in that
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short period of time, Dave.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Well As, we have found out evil lurks among us,
and they do things that are shocking. And that's all
I can think of, is that things that you and
I can't even imagine happening because we're not coming at
it from a criminal angle. We're coming from it at
it from a totally different place they're coming to it from.
(28:26):
Think about it. They have kidnapped and obviously we're talking
about it on body bags because Kata Scott vanishes from work.
They track her and then Keon King, a twenty one
year old man who, by the way, has already been
in trouble with the law for strangling a woman and
kidnapping her. And the only reason he got away with
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that is because she didn't show up in court. Oh,
so they already have Keon King in their radar. They
find they forgot him surrounded by a ninety nine toy
at a camri. They've got another vehicle, and then by
being able to trace him, follow him. Now you got
a suspect, and boom. At four am on October sixth,
they see a lighter colored vehicle moving closer to where
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the dark colored vehicle was parked, and a video shows
two people going up to a dark colored vehicle in
the parking lot and removing a heavy object consistent with
the human body from the passenger side. They're seen carrying
the object towards the By the way, you know I'm
talking about the school, did I say that?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yes? Yeah? Okay, yeah, Because.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
They're at Aubury, they're at the closed school, and like
I said, there's businesses around. There are cameras around this area,
even though it's a school. That's been abandoned.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, but you've got a high school right there, and
you've got homes that are there, and this is you know, again,
let me just interject here relative to dis abandoned location.
If you're going to perpetrate something so dark, you would
think that you would want to location that is. And
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this gives you an idea about the focus of a
perpetrator here. They're focused only on the abandoned building. Hey,
this place is abandoned. We know that there's not going
to be points of observation. Perhaps we know that there's
not going to be active CCTV. That tells me that
an individual would have prior knowledge of this location. It
actually makes me think, is there anything else that's adjacent
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to this building? Is there anything inside of this abandoned building?
Some evidence of other crimes? Wink wink, nod nod. You know,
thinking about this because this is a destination for someone
that wants to do something that's very malevolent. But their
focus is there, it's not on the functioning CCTV at
the current high school and also the other associated businesses
(30:48):
and homes around there. I go back and I think
about this compacted car that has already been subjected to
heat fire, Dave, that car or what remained of it,
just imagine the most hellish nightmare jigsaw puzzle that you
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can imagine. If there is evidence within that vehicle and
they did not take time to collect it, guess what
has to happen. This thing's going to have to be
unspun in some way. Can you imagine the headache that
that would be to go in and try to dismantle
a compacted car, to go in and see if you
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can find some remnant of perhaps biological material in there.
Because as it turns out, Dave, as it turns out,
this vehicle may have well have been a conveyance that
this precious girl would have been in. We don't know
what the stats we do know and again this is
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just me just kind of throwing this out there. We
do know that her phone may have been destroyed. I
don't know about you, but that's a signal to me
that there is a willingness to do violence at that
point in time, anytime you destroy and listen, you know,
phones to kids nowadays are some of the most value.
(32:17):
They are the single most valuable thing that many of
them possess. Right, both what they mean to them, and
also how much they how much these things cost? Right?
And so if you how menacing is this if you
take a phone, throw it on the ground and stomp
on it, or you crack it in have or you
take a hammer to it or something like this just
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to try to destroy the thing, that's menacing behavior. What
could have happened in that car? Was there any biological
data that was lost as a result of the fire
or worse, you know, it being compacted?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Dave, it's so sad Jovid. Everything you just said is
absolutely positively true and is what is going to have
to happen. Have to find a way to find out
about well what DNA exists in that compacted car, because
you've got her leaving her place of business. We've got
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her there, but then you have her, well we see them,
they being these unknown figures. Well we know one of
them's Keon King because they arrested him on kidnapping charges.
They you know, because he was with her. Their phones
were matched up, they were talking and texting and the
last time she was seen was well she's headed that way,
and there he is. And so they start tracing Keon King.
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They start finding well, we got him tracking back and
forth towards this old school, and they go to the
school and they're looking in the parking lot, and that's
when we first got the headline. Hey, they found some
of Kata Scott's belongings in the parking lot around the
school at the closed Ada Lewis Middle School. And you
(33:55):
mentioned a minute ago about dropping a dime. Now, they
being police, a lot of the information we have now
when we give you the timetable, they did not have
that in real time. They have that now. They didn't
have it then, because all of this is put together
after the fact. Police were blind going into this. They
get a call and go there and oh, we found something.
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Then they get another call and oh, we found something else.
Then they get a very specific, anonymous tip that sends
them to an area behind the school. And in this
particular case, I mentioned that this old abandoned school backs
into a currently populated high school. But there's a lot
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of area between the two that is not used. You know,
it's just trashy, jungled up stuff. There's nothing going on
out there. It's not a place anybody would take a
short cut. But if you were going to get rid
of a body, there you go, and so this very
specific anonymous tip. By the way, dropping a dime. It
used to cost a die to make a phone call.
(35:01):
Before we had a phone in our pocket, there were
these things. If you were out driving around and needed
to call somebody, there was this booth that was usually
a glass box on the side of the road, and
there was a phone in there and you had to
put change of dime into it and you could make
a phone call.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Can I interject something, right? I just had a memory.
I got to tell you this before the day of
cell phones, and I had a police radio with me
everywhere I went, but you had to make landline calls
back then, Dave, I'm revealing a deep, dark secret here.
I used to have a Do you remember the purple
(35:41):
and gold velvet crown royal bags? Do you remember those
that the whiskey would come in. I had one of
those bags and it was packed to the top at
all time with quarters, and I kept it underneath the
seat of my car of the unit that I drove,
so that I would have access us to go to
(36:01):
a payphone to make a phone. People cannot identify with
that now, but yeah, I use that term dropping a
dime because that's an old euphemistic term relative to somebody
rolled over on somebody here, And Dave, I got to
tell you, I got to tell you. If we've got
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this guy in custody on kidnapping, who else is involved
in this who would have knowledge of her body is there?
And it was something really dark that was said. It
was like she's there, or like her remains are there,
or you didn't look hard enough. I'm not really sure
(36:44):
you know how what the phraseology was, but you need
to go back out and look again.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And you didn't do the job, man, get back out there,
and you know, and they did. That's how they found
it because they're actually walking in an area. Okay, they
still don't know they're in the exact area where and
the police are looking around. There's more than one and
there's a piece of wood. And when you find a
piece of wood just kind of amongst dirt, yeah, it
(37:10):
feels different. And when you look around, you're going, hey,
this is a softer spot than that is. And then
they lift it up and go, well, here's some disturbed ground.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Ye turn the earth.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
They were surprised they found. They started digging with their
bare hands, Joe and they said, as soon as they
started clearing the dirt, they smelled, They had a smell,
and there were maggots. Now, Joe, what does the dirt
with maggots and smell mean to you.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, it means that you have you have remains. Now
of course that you know, you're hoping against hope, if
you're an investigator, that what you're about to uncover is
not human remains. You hope that somebody took Fido out there,
because the other thing that they may not have made
note of at the time. You're also going to have flies,
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and those flies will be circling that area, copious flies.
Flies burrow. People don't realize that they will burrow to
get down to a specific area. They will lay their eggs.
And you know the fact that you have maggot development.
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By this time, you could have gone through a couple
of early generations of flies. I think you would find
maggot husk, which means that you would find maggot that
had actually developed or were beginning to develop, and they
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could shed husk. We don't really know about the timeline
at this point. I'm waiting to hear more information from
from a perspective, it's key relative to forensic entomology, because
this is going to be key to talk about this.
At the scene, one of the things that we do
is that we actually collect a variety of samples of
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maggot at the scene and we put them into little
glass jars and fill them with alcohol, and of course
that puts them well, it kills them, but it puts
them in a static or in stasis, so that we
can hand these off to an entomologist and they can
do an assessment on the development cycle of these maggots
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and it gives you a specific time, you know how long,
because they have a formula they can work out and
they can say, this is how long it takes for
a fly to lay an egg or the species of
fly to lay an egg, and then this is how
long you're going through the developmental cycle of these of
these flows. If they're a husk lying about, which are
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shed that that outer heartshell it becomes a hard shell,
that's also a clue you want to collect those. There
may be maggot that are actually collected when you get
back to back to the autopsy suite as well. And
one of the interesting things we don't really know clothing
(40:10):
status at least, I don't at this point. But if
there are any injuries, Dave, whatsoever. Okay, that's a big
signal for the for the fly.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay, well you know she was shot in the head.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, we do, and that has just recently in the
last few days, they finally released or cause of death.
So if you have a gunshot wound to the back
of the head, that area would be It's kind of
a fascinating thing. Sometimes you can look at a body, Dave,
and where you will see a huge concentration of maggot activity.
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Many times that's an indication of an injury. Because the
area is open, it's open, it's warm, it's wet. H
These flies will lay their eggs in the spot because
their goal, the flies goal is generationally to keep going,
you know. They all they do is fly about and
make baby flies and then they move on and their
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life cycle is very short, so they do this continuation thing.
That's why. You know, if you show up on a
decomposing remain and it's covered in flies, and it can
be an animal remain, or it can be you know,
it can be the remains of a human. It's the
same process they you know, or food stuffs that are
laid out, you know, so that can be a big
(41:39):
tail there. And if there's if say, for instance, there
are any orifices I'm trying to be very delicate with this,
any orifices that are exposed, you will find uh, you
will find eggs there as well, and also maggot activity.
I've had cases day and it's a lot of it
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is mentally dependent upon how warm the area is. I've
had people, Dave, I was just talking about this in
class the other day. As a matter of fact, I've
had cases where within I think two to three hours,
I actually had fly eggs in the eyes of the
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deceased within two to three hours of death. And yet
people don't always close their eyes and death that's a fallacy,
and so you will. And the eyes are a particular
interest to flies because it's wet and it's moist. They'll
go into the nose and their eyes and the mouth
of the mouth is open, those sorts of things. So anyway, yeah,
that's going to be a big part to this. The
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other part, though, is that they have now released the
cause of death, and I guess the big question here
is a couple of things. First off, where there Was
she killed in the spot? Was this area dugout? Well,
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obviously it was if they were having to dig down
and they took a board and placed it over the top.
If she was killed in that spot, was there a
pre dug hole? Okay? Did they make her kneel and
I'm saying they because at this time I don't know
if there's only just one person involved. Did they make
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her kneel in the hole and shoot her execute her?
Was there a spent casing that was recovered at the
scene that could be tied back. That's going to be
a big tail about the weapon. Do they recover a
weapon and then also relationally from a physical standpoint of
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firing a weapon. Was the individual standing to her rear
with her in a fully erect position and walked up
behind her and shot or was she in an kneeling
posture where they're firing down into the back of the head.
Was the injury even to the back of the head
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or was it to the side of the head? Was
it in the front of the head. I've had I've
had execution stave that all planes of the head are used.
It's not you know, people say this is interesting. People
will say, well, it's a classic execution style killing. Well,
what do you mean by that classic classic in what
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in the sense of you've been watching The Godfather, or
in the sense of you've worked so many death scenes
that this is all you've ever seen. Because I got
to tell you, I've had people that were executed by
being shot in the forehead. I've had people that have
been executed shot in the temple. I've had people I've
actually had one case where an individual was forced to
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place their mouth on the muzzle of the well and
that is very rare. You see that in movies. So
we don't really know. But the relationship, the physical relationship
between the end of that muzzle and wherever, wherever the
round wound up in this precious child's head is going
to be key here because we'll know what kind of
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position she was in and those those you know, those
last moments of her life there in that dark, dirty area,
you know, and she's seemingly has exited her place of
work under her own free will. We've got these messages
what kind of relationship pre existed with this person who
(45:35):
has now been charged. I charged now at this point,
not just with kidnapping, several other charges including they had
a real interesting one on there called causing a catastrophe,
which I have never in my life heard this term before.
And I guess that has to do with fire setting.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
They got in there too.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, and there's arson, so yeah, they've really thrown the
book at him and now he's staring down the barrel.
No pun intended of homsaw charge as well.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Let me ask you something, Joe, because a concern of mine.
She was kidnapped, kidnapped the night of October the fourth,
or that's the night she left work. And they police
know things they're not telling us, and they are saying
she was kidnapped, So I'm going to go with that.
But she went to the parking lot. Maybe she was
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being threatened, Hey, if you don't come out here, we're
going to kill your parents. Yeah, I don't know, but
she went to that parking lot under her own momentum, our,
own wheels, And anyway, they're suggested. Her date of death
is listed as October eighteenth, that's the day her body
was found.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, but they believed she.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Was killed shortly after she was kidnapped October the fourth.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Thanks for asking, No, it's not Thanks for asking this question.
And because right now I'm going to educate people on
two terms. I'm so glad you set this up. And
by the way, we did not plan this. I'm so
glad you said this because data death and data pronouncement
are two completely different things. If you watch any kind
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of like medical procedural show on television, they'll say, when
did you you know where the person says, we're calling
it now? You know, like that the physician or whoever
it is, they're running a code in some emergency fictional
emergency room. Well, yeah, that is a time of pronouncement.
And in many states, depend upon the state you're in,
(47:33):
the corner can actually pronounce, or the medical examiner can
actually pronounce. You show up, you've got a decomposing body,
the corner will write down a time of pronouncement. That is,
that's an official designation that's to go on the death certificate. Okay,
so we're going to call it today's date at this time.
(47:57):
That's different than the time of death. Time of death
is actually a diagnosis, if you will, a postmortem diagnosis,
and the best you can do is kind of ballpark it,
you know, So if you go back and remember when
they think when they think she actually died. Time of
(48:17):
death is a single digit date. Time of death, and
of course when she was pronounced is a double digit date.
So you've got this time that has passed. But one
is actually a biological finding that you're you know, you're
kind of taking a stab at the dark in the dark,
and this can be very confusing for people, and rightly
(48:38):
it makes sense that it would be confusing, but they're
completely two different things. I think what people are going
to be asking is what she did, what she dead
on that same night, or had she been spirited away
(48:59):
somewhere because they've leaned into this kidnapping charge. Now, kidnapping
does not mean that you kidnapped an individual and sustained
them for a long period of time. However, I think
that investigators, and rightly so, should entertain the thought. They're
going to try to understand this and see if they
(49:21):
can assess and forensics is going to be a big
part of this. They're going to look at some forensic pathologist,
they're going to look at an entomologist, and they're going
to say, based on your findings, do you think that
there's possibility she died relatively close to the last time
she was seen alive because they'rein rest, a big change
in the narrative and also one more thing that we
(49:43):
have to remember in her case. We have to remember
that though one person has been charged with multiple offenses,
there are others that are in case. Brother Dave and
I are going to keep you up to speed on
(50:05):
this case because, just like you, we want to know.
I want to know who else perhaps had a hand
in the destruction, the murder of this beautiful child and
robbed the world of someone that probably would have made
(50:28):
it a lot brighter. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Bonnybags.
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