May 29, 2024 • 42 mins
Grace Millane is in New Zealand when she meets Jesse Kempson on Tinder. Grace is on a Gap Year trip that has taken her to South America and now she is in Auckland, New Zealand where she is camping and hiking and meeting new people. Connecting on Tinder, Grace meets Kempson for dinner and drinks, most of their evening captured by CCTV. They arrive back at Kempson's hotel and we see them get on and off the elevator. It is the evening of December 1 and Grace turns 22-years-old on December 2nd. On this episode of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe will breakdown what happened to Grace inside the hotel room and what Jesse Kempson did in the aftermath of the gruesome murder. And Dave Mack will try and make sense of the timeline when, even now, we don't know if Grace made it to her 22nd birthday.
Transcript Highlights
00:00:18 Introduction of Grace Millane, gap year vacation
00:04:27 Discussion of Tinder date timeline
00:09:15 Discussion murderer goes on another Tinder date
00:13:56 Talk about targeting victim, asphyxia
00:18:33 Discussion of Gap Year
00:23:46 Discussion of date captured on video
00:28:17 Talk about murderer covering up the crime
00:33:03 Discussion of destroying the victim
00:36:31 Discussion of killing someone with hands around neck
00:40:13 Talk about the sexual assault
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Buddy Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. The world is laid
out before you when you start talking about things like
gap years. It's an exciting time for a college student
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who or a student that is going to go into
college to take that gap year. And sometimes you'll have
gap years. Sometimes people will start college and then say
after their sophomore year, I'm gonna take a gap year
and just travel. And look, I got no problem with
that man. And you know, it's like you get family,
(00:55):
you get kids, those days are gone, they're gone. My
wife and I have come to travel later in our
lives and we do love travel. We do. We've been
to Great Britain several times, and as matter of fact,
we visited the area where our subject of today's episode
(01:17):
originated from, Essex. But there's one place that I've always
wanted to go, and that's New Zealand. And today we're
going to talk about a case that so captured the
imagination of a country who is not used to violent crime.
(01:38):
This is one of those moments in times where it
this event so shocked the conscience of a country that
you could not peel them away from the news. They wanted,
I think to try to understand it because some things,
particularly in those areas that we discuss, there's really no
(02:02):
answers most of the time. Why goes out the door.
Today we're going to talk about the homicide of Grace Mulane.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks David that
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it's hard to take the measure of this crime that
took place in New Zealand back in twenty eighteen. Now
it's resonated over all of these years because of the
level of brutality. And I think this Stranger on Stranger
(02:43):
event where you've got this young, innocent lady who is
literally taking a gap year into tribesing around the world.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I so you mentioned that, you know, Grace Mulane was
taking that gap year, and gap years can be applied
to after high school or after college, either way you
look at it. Oftentimes a gap year after high school
ends up being a gap career, but a gap year
after college can open your eyes to the rest of
the world because a college atmosphere can be so liberal
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or just one way, and you get away for a
year and realize what reality's like. And Grace Mulane was
doing that. She had this gap year and she had
a plan and she ended up going to New Zealand
and she was camping and doing the things she wanted
to do. But Grace Mulane was also looking at the
world and living it using the dating app Tender, and
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it was through the dating app Tender that she met
Jesse Kimpson. Jesse Kimpson used Tender before, during, and after
Grace Mulane. The reason we're doing the show about twenty
one year old Grace mulanine murder by Jesse Kimpson is
(04:02):
I want to point something out to you that while
she's dead, he's killed her and her body is still
in his hotel room. He went out on another Tender date.
That is Jesse Kimpson in a nutshell. So that's the
story today. A woman who has gone through college has
(04:26):
taken a year to go see the world and she's
living that dream and gets snuffed out by a guy
she meets on Tender. And by the way, you know,
we have CCTV footage of their date. Did you know that, Joe?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, we have a timeline of the night they met,
the night they got together. We have pictures from five
point forty five that evening of a very alive and
thriving Grace Mulane as she arrives in the front of
this casino twenty foot tall Christmas tree, such a thing.
She actually stood there waiting for her date, her tender date,
(05:04):
Jesse Kimpson, and she is so enamored with the tree
she takes a picture and sends it to her family
in Essex. He arrives Jesse does, They hug and proceed
to go on their date. Six o'clock, the two of
them were walking into a casino. They find Andy's burger Bar.
I wonder if this is kind of like if Andy's
(05:25):
burger Bar is similar to a demolition man where everything
was named Taco Bell you know where. Yeah, that's what
I picture Andy's burger Bar being, because they actually go
in there and order drinks, find a table, and are
chilling out on their date. Seven twelve, they're seen leaving
the burger bar going across the road to a Mexican cafe.
They spend the next hour until Kemsen comes to pay
(05:46):
the bill with her standing right beside him. And eight
twenty seven, the pair is filmed from a distance now,
but you can see them crossing Albert Street and They
head into the Bluestone room, where Kimson had earlier been
drinking beer alone. By this point in the evening, they kiss.
This is a tender date in her eyes, what going
really well? Nine pm CCTV shows Grace Mullane and Jesse
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Kimpson entering the hotel where Kimson is living at the time.
They entered the elevator and they head to Kimson's room
what they call an apartment. That's the last time we
see Grace Mullane alive. We know that she is brutally murdered,
possibly possibly Joe in the early morning hours of December second.
(06:38):
By the way, that's her birthday. Grace Mullane might have
been killed, brutally murdered on her twenty second birthday.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, And that was one of the things that really
I think struck home with the family was that it
was I might get the number wrong, but I think
it was like twenty six or seven different birthday wish
wishes text that had seemingly gone ignored and you know,
(07:11):
relative to you know, the family thinking about this, We've got.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
A girl so attached to her mom. She takes a
picture of the Christmas tree and sends it to her.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and I think that at some point in time
she had sent a text talking about how well things
were going, that she felt like she had a connection
with this guy. And I still don't you know, I
don't understand how you can have a connection with somebody
in this shorter period of time. Maybe they had been
(07:40):
talking on tender maybe that was already you know that
that had already kind of been brought about, you know,
the seeds that had been planted, And you feel fin
of this, this kind of connection with someone, so you're
predisposed to it.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
A friend who got married on her first date.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Wow, yeah, they met. I've avoided that trap.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They met and hooked up and went, wow, this you're
the You're the person I've been waiting for, they said it. Yeah,
and they got married. I mean we're talking. I didn't
know you before the sun came up yesterday. You are
now my spouse for life that before the sun comes
up again, and they're still together thirty years later.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Holy smokes. Well wow, good for them. I have to
imagine that that's got to be kind of a rarity. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I got to feel that that's not the norm.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, it wouldn't that wouldn't fly with me. It took me.
I don't know with Kim that I think it. I
think it took us eight months. But still and by
some measure, that's that's pretty quick. But wow, uh yeah,
And so I don't see how how someone can connect
that quickly. And and let's face it, get this intimate. Yeah,
(08:57):
because we're talking, we're talking a level of intimacy here
that and there's two types of intimacy. You have intimacy
from an emotional standpoint, where you're sharing with one another
and talking and maybe you find a common ground. But
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then you have sexual intimacy. Now, whether or not she
Grace was interested in a sexual encounter with him, I
don't know, But I do know that the level of
brutality that is apparently involved or was involved in this
(09:41):
case reached such a height that it's evidenced in the
fact that in the wake of him having killed her,
you had mentioned he went back on tender. In addition
to that he as her as her remains are in
(10:02):
the room, he's actually searching out and that he's oscillating
between these two things. Just imagine this, just for a second.
He's thinking about ways to get rid of human remains.
He even goes so far as to search out birds
(10:25):
that will consume human flesh in New Zealand, what specific
species exists. Oh and by the way, he was also
spicing things up with her cooling remains laying there on
the floor of that hotel room. He was also viewing
pornography at the same time. Dave, I started out as
(11:06):
a death investigator so young that this is why really
young people do not need to be death investigators. You
were not seasoned enough in the things of the world
in order to appreciate full scope and magnitude of what
you're looking at. I think. And here's my example. I remember,
(11:33):
I couldn't have been any more than I think twenty
four and I worked what was ruled as a homicide
by our office of a case involving sexual frenzy in
the bedroom where the two people that were engaging in
(11:57):
sexual activity together were so ramed up, so sexually stimulated
that rough sex came into play, and the individual that
wound up being the perpetrator in this crime got so
carried away that they were slapping this person around and
(12:19):
choking them at the same time. In the person succumb
to to asshixia, and this is there was not a
pattern of this behavior with multiple partners. It had been
stated in this case that they had engaged in this
behavior before. And I'm just talking about this from my
(12:39):
perspective as a very young death investigator. I didn't I
didn't know that that sort of thing went on. You know,
you hear about these things with B DSM and all
these sorts of things, but you don't until you actually
see this person lying there and on the bed. I'll
(13:01):
never forget her laying there nude, and her head was
just purple. It was purple because he had asphyxiated her
with his bare hands. I couldn't really make sense of
it because I'd had asphyxial homicides prior to that, but
(13:22):
not with the sexual component. It was always like just
out and out anger, I'm going to choke the life
out of you, that sort of thing. It wasn't like
a sexual practice, and it was the first time i'd
seen that. And you know, with this particular case, you've
got pathology going on between this individual's ears regarding these practices.
(13:47):
I think that this is something that this individual was
seeking out and who better, who better to target than
this young woman who's traveling. One thing that I failed
to mention earlier is that she had just arrived in
in New Zealand, having spent several weeks traveling. Six weeks
(14:08):
traveling about South America. What a grand but what a
grand adventure. Huh. That's what I think when you think
about it, this, this is like perfection. I would and
she was stayed in hostels. Uh, you know all along
the way, saved money. I've stayed in hostels before in
Great Britain.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
She was making a lifelong trip, one that you tell
your it's the trip you tell your family about.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Absolutely, you know, six weeks in South America. Just reminded
when when everything came about and she goes to ok
when you mentioned she just got there. I don't know
what kind of tender relationship they had in terms of
because I don't I don't under Okay, I don't use tender.
I'm married. I don't These things didn't exist when you know,
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so this whole there's I know, I know what they are,
but I don't know how people true used them. It's
kind of like, you know, a lot of people claim
a lot of things are available, but you just kind
of look at it and go yeah, right, sure, okay, right,
but there are people who do you know, casual sex
or what have you. You know, you meet somebody on tender,
they look good, You go about, you get along. Hey,
(15:18):
let's just go finish the evening off. Here we go.
I mean, I don't I'm not saying that's good, bad,
or indifferent. I'm saying it does happen. She spends six
weeks in South America doing, you know, whatever she wants
to do. All I was thinking because of the way
it ended, isn't it odd that she picks South America?
Where after you're on Vandersloue did whatever he did with
Natalie Holloway. He ends up going to South America, and
(15:39):
what happens. He meets a girl in playing blackjack. He
gets her to his hotel room. It's running the anniversary
of Natalie Holloway's murder. And what happens He kills her
in the hotel room, yep, and leaves her body in
there and goes for coffee. I mean, I'm thinking, how
odd it is that she was I'm thinking, there are
(15:59):
men you're in Vandersloop, Robert Chambers that actually exists to
terrorize and torture women and claiming sex.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah yeah, I mean you could even you could even
go back to what was it called the boy It
escapes me now, uh, the it's not back page, it's
the uh the murder. Uh this guy had Craigslist murder.
A Craigslist murderer. Yeah. And and so there's been a
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template for this for some time, and that that's the
scary thing about all of these is that you you
don't know who's behind the veil is the problem, and
you don't know what is waiting for you out there,
and you're you're vulnerable. Boy, is she ever vulnerable? Because
(16:50):
you know, he the perpetrator is a he is a Kiwi.
He's he's from New Zealand. You know this is his homecoming. Dude.
She's she's come from South America. She knows nobody, all right,
She's there in this environment, having freshly. You can imagine
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the excitement you know that she's experiencing upon it.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I'm just enamored with her. I mean, well, a woman,
a young woman that has that kind of foresight and
the guts that takes. You have to really really have
confidence in life and in yourself to create this kind
of opportunity to go and spend six weeks in South
America and head to Auckland, New Zealand. Again, a lot
of people talk about the dreams they have in life.
(17:36):
She's doing. She's twenty one years old and she's living in.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, And I got to say something about my friends
in Great Britain. They raise their children to do this. Actually, Yeah,
I'm amazed my British friends that I encounter how often
they travel, you know, outside of Great Britain as families.
You know, they'll go in holiday place, they'll go for
(17:59):
Christmas and in foreign land. You know this It's not
something that we're used to doing in America. My son Noah,
after we had taken him to Great Britain several times,
he went over and went to Great Britain by himself
for Christmas because and he stayed at the home of
some friends that we had made outside of Liverpool. And
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he's just that kind of adventurous soul.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Do they call themselves Liverpoodlians.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yes, Liverpudlians, I believe it's a correct term. But yeah,
lovely people and uh and very generous, very kind, but Liverpool.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And walk around and say do you know, John Paulnah.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's a fantastic, fantastic trip and we certainly enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
All right. So, but just so I can be clear,
because I didn't know this, okay, and I'm going to
assume a lot of folks done. I didn't know that,
but that this was kind of a thing that in
Great Britain parents encourage their children to do. Young adults
they do.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, we're so so we're very sheltered here in
the US. We're not. We don't do international travel like
people that live abroad, right and broad that's yeah, broad
to us.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And so because their countries are so close to one.
In other words, you and I might travel between Alabama, Georgia,
South Carolina, North Carolina and what have you. Well, if
you're in Europe, you're going from Germany to Poland to Austria,
you know, France, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah. Well, as an example, you know, the same couple
that came to celebrate their their anniversary in New York
and they were and their goal was to make it
to Vegas. That's what they wanted to do. They wanted
to go to Vegas and this was I think one
of their first journeys to the US. They said, yeah,
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we got on the plane and headed to Vegas. We
had no idea that it was a long way from
New York to Vegas. It took forever to get there.
Because you know, if you if you can fly the Hephrow,
you know, and go go, you can go to the
Czech Republic, or you go to Switzerland and you're there
in the blink of an eye. It's yeah, and they're
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speaking a different language. It's not like that here, and so.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Oh my gosh, I didn't think about that. So yeah, no,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, and it's it's inexpensive to fly to do these
little hops over there. But here, you know, we're we're
kind of trapped in this. So the fact that Grace
did this really speaks to the type of person she was,
you know, setting out on this grand adventure to travel
the world. She was going to spend a year doing this.
And the problem arises though, when you're a stranger in
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a strange land, you don't know who's out there waiting,
and you can place yourself in some very very difficult situations.
I can't imagine what her parents were we're having to
deal with, particularly when you if you have a child
that is missing, that they have come off of your radar,
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and you are literally thousands upon thousands of miles away
from them, and there is nothing you can do to
try to track her down or save her or provide
for her. You're just you're at the mercy of the
authorities in that particular country, and that's what they were
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dealing with. The one thing you can say about New
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Zealand other than it is apparently a lovely place with
lovely people, very beautiful country, is that once you get
out of places like christ Church in Auckland, you're out
in the wilderness at that point in time. A lot
(22:09):
of undeveloped areas out there. Wild wild sometimes equals beauty,
and it's a short trip to really getting lost, I think,
which is very attractive I think in a place like
that and just to kind of explore the countryside and
see how gorgeous it is. But you know, here, when
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you're talking about a case like this where you have
a foreigner that has come into a place that she
is not familiar with, and they're around an individual who
is aware of their surroundings and where you can go,
she's at a distinct disadvantage. Oh boy. However, however, here's
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the thing I would say, the perpetrator in this case
was not fully aware of his surroundings, because David, I
got to tell you, brother, out of the cases that
we cover, I don't know that I have seen a
case where the movements of one individual are documented by
so much videography, including one of the most chilling things
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that I think that we could ever bear witness to,
and that is him stepping onto an elevator with no
grace but a suitcase in his hand, and it just
it goes from bad to worse. At that point in time.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
When I was earlier and talking about the timeline that
night of because I wanted to point out that in
a lot of communities like that, they have CCTV cameras
all over Great Britain, New Zealand. The things that I'm
not aware of, you know, you're being observed, yeah, right,
and everywhere in the US it's like that in some
urban areas and but for the most part it's you know,
(23:53):
a lot of times it's ring doorbell cameras that we
hear about, but when we do stories overseas, it's oftentimes
CCTV camera and you can follow in this case, document
their date that night and where they were.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
From beginning to end. And then you throw in this
other element, which is has tremendous forensic value, is the
text that were going out, and then anything that's contained
on that tender app as well. But go ahead right now.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's why I was going to ask you, because now
well you know, we know that as we mentioned, Grace
had spent six weeks in South America. She was on
this one year gap year backpack around the world trip,
which is just gutsy is I'll get out, not because
she's a woman, but because she's doing it by herself
and planning. It's it's not an easy thing to do,
(24:40):
even just I wouldn't encourage anybody to go on a
trip by themselves ever, but that's just me. In this case,
she gets there and she's planning, she had all planned out.
She was spending two weeks in New Zealand, she had
spent six weeks in South America. She's got two weeks
here she's backpacking and doing whatever, and I love it,
I just guts I love it. But her of hook
(25:00):
meeting up with Kemsen and as we detailed her at
the timeline of their date all the way back to
the hotel, and from what I understand, our last pictures
of her alive was the night before her you know,
December one, in the evening, and they get off the
they go into his room and that's it. We do
(25:21):
not see Grace mulane alive after she turns twenty two
years old on December second.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, and let me let me kind of describe this
guy for you. When you see him. You know, one
of the things that New Zealand is known for. I
think they're called the All Blacks is the name of it.
Their national rugby team. They are renowned. This guy when
you see him, Dave, I don't know if you've ever
been around a rugby player. This guy looks like he
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could play rugby. Now, as it turns out, he had
played on some kind of national softball team or something
like this. This guy is a hulking mass. And when
you see Grace, she's she's tiny. I mean, she's not
like this, this big, robust young lady. She is very tiny.
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This guy, when you see there's actually CCTV footage riding
up what they refer to as the Lift. Of course,
that's that's the elevator. This young lady has got an
expression on her face that is just joy. You can
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see her. It's it's she's very she has very soft
appearance about her, like she's happy, she's contented. But she's
standing next to this guy, Dave. He looks like he's
got like a fifty two inch chest, broad shoulders, you know,
really a big big man. And they're riding up this
elevator together. And this is essentially the last few moments
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that you see her, and then it comes to this
horrific end in that hotel room. And it was it
was so horrific Dave, that he felt compelled to go
and rent a carpet cleaner. Just think about that. He
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had left this apartment slash hotel room that he's staying in.
He bought a large suitcase. Boy cleaning supplies all these
sorts of things, and he comes back to make make
off with her body and the next and we can
(27:45):
only surmise that when you see him exiting this this elevator,
he's got it's a silver plastic suitcase that's probably the
biggest one that you could that you could purchase. And
you know for a fact that she's folded up in there, Dave.
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And the thing about it is he did this. You
know how I talked about how there were you know,
he was engaged in watching pornography and all these sorts
of things while she lay dead in the room. Here's
some of the other things that he searched out while
she's there. Now they know this for a fact, that
he had searched out. This is like that one nine
(28:29):
to six am.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And this is after. There's always a question mark of
winter person dies. And I have to ask you, Joe,
can you identify based on what you know right now
he's doing searches at one twenty nine, is Grace already dead? Yes,
So he kills her less than an hour and twenty
(28:54):
nine minutes into December the second. Now we don't know
when she died, but could you determine based on knowing
that got back to the hotel all at section and
such time we see them getting off the hotel elevant, Yes,
and then the time that he's on searching porn you
can determine.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It, yeah, because they had you know, they essentially entered
back the place. The place that he's staying at is
called city Life Auckland and they literally just essentially walk
across the lanes of the adjacent road and they're they're
at this place. And so when he's going up there,
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this is what I believe. I think that he had
identified her as somebody that he wanted to engage in
this sexual behavior with. He planned on her not leaving
that room, that he was going to indulge in this
this fantasy that he had worked out in his mind.
I found it, you know, I found it very interesting
that at his trial. I hate this. I hate this
(29:56):
damn term, Dave, I really do. It's so dismissive. The
term is called misadventure. Oh, I had the defense. The
defense used that term that this was just a sexual misadventure.
You know that it's it's rough sex, and it's just
a misadventure, you know. Misadventure to me means that you've
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made some type of mistake, you know, and that it
can be that there's some kind of justification for it.
But when you go when you see the kind of
planning that he had gone through and that he had
identified her, she met something within his mind, within his
this dreamscape that he has and he's acting out of
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fantasy with her, and it's It's absolutely brutal what he
had done, because as as she lay there deceased in
this room, Dave, he searched out things like roger mortis,
and I think I know why he did that. He's
(31:03):
trying to determine if the level of rigidity in her
body is he going to be able to fold her
to get in Just let your teeth sink into this.
Is he going to be able to fold her and
manipulate her body to get her body into this suitcase? Now?
How horrific is that. It's not like he's searching out
liver mortis or postport vidity or algor mortives, which is
(31:27):
body temperature. No, no, No, he's looking for rigidity. He wants
to try to understand can he manipulate her arms, her waist,
her knees to fold her over to fit her into
this suitcase. That's what he's trying to understand. He's also
searching out terms, Dave, like hottest fire, what's the how
(31:48):
hot do you need a fire in order to dispose
of the body. And you couple that with these scavenger
animals that he's looking for, specifically birds, what type of
birds are in this particular area that if I left
her out, I guess exposed that they would come and
(32:09):
diminish her body out there. That's where this guy's mind is, Dave.
The only saving grace here, I would say that could
lend some credence to what the defenses has opined in
his case was that he hadn't bought these things beforehand,
(32:31):
and as a matter of fact, he didn't even have
a shovel in his possession. But this is so key here.
He actually searched out something else, Dave. He searched out
(32:53):
a location to get rid of her body. The place
is called the way Tackrii Ranged. And if you're looking
on a map of Auckland, which Auckland actually occupies, they
have two islands in in New Zealand, Uh, you have
North Island, South Island, and if you go to the
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west of of of Auckland, there is this wilderness range
out there, uh, the way Tackria Range, where there's you know,
there's all kinds of wildlife. It's National parks out there.
He's looking for a place to put as much distance
between himself and her body. But what what he's not
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counting on, I think is the fact that he's everywhere
he's going he's leaving this electronic you know, uh, these
electronic uh little of footprints behind him and in her case,
and it's it's very damning evidence.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
They about all of this that drives me beyond you
mentioned misadventure. Yeah, and the fact that Jesse Kimpson preyed
upon Grace Mulane. He knew that she was backpacking alone
across the you know, she had two weeks in New Zealand.
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He's from there, and he he zeros in on her
and then he plays hardball to get her to agree
to go out for drinks. She didn't have any plans.
He talks her into it and they meet up and
her the last night of her life begins with meeting
up with Jesse Kimpson, who, based on what transpires between
the time that they get back to the hotel and
the time that we know he's looking at porn at
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one twenty nine am, he was able to do whatever
he wanted to her and kill her. Now can you
tell did he use a garrett of some type to
strangle her? Did he use his hands? How did Jessekimpson
kill Grace Mulane?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Well, it was it was actually he throttled her to death,
Dave with his hands. And again that's not surprising in
a case like this, because there's something the tactile nature
of an attack like this where you can As horrible
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as this is, but I need to go ahead and
lay this out to everyone listening.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't understand what throttle means either.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well, throttling is you're wrapping your hands around their throat, okay,
just like you and you can do it either from
the rear from the front. And so when you wrap
your hands around someone's neck, it intensifies this sexual experience,
right because it's flesh on flesh. It's flesh on flesh.
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You have this sensation of their warm skin beneath your fingertips,
and you are literally, you know, driving them of their life.
The pathologists and you know, they they were uh, they
were able to go to the range, this mountain range
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and and began to uh recover her remains out there.
They recovered her in a very very short order. And
it's not like she lay out in the wilderness in
the suitcase for months and months and months. It was
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literally within days that they had recovered her. When the
pathologists actually examined her body, Dave, this is kind of
an interesting, interesting little aside. The pathologists saw evidence of restraint,
and when I said restraint, I'm not talking like tying
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somebody down. There were bruises on her body that gave
the indication that there was tremendous amount of pressure put
on these peripheral areas, like on the arms or the shoulders,
perhaps with his knees, where he's pressing down on her
and leaving these big contusions on her as he's wrapping
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his hands around her throat to choke her to death.
I think the bold nature of all of this is
that his actions after it's almost like he's in some
kind of sexual frenzy. I've often thought about when people
work themselves up under these circumstances, it's almost like a
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feeding frenzy with sharks. Have you ever seen those images
of sharks rolling over the water. Because you know, you
had rightly mentioned that he had this other tender date.
We had mentioned he's looking at porn. He's hyper stimulated
at this point in time, and he's going on to
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the next thing to try to maintain that dopamine high
or whatever it is that he's got going on in
his brain and the boldness of somebody to purchase a
suitcase and to rent a carpet cleaning machine, which he
later returned after he utilized this thing, and then to
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hire a car, Dave, to hire a car to transport
her body in You know, you place the suitcase in
the in the trunk or in the boot, as they say,
and you transport her body out there, stopping along the
way by the way to purchase a shoal a shovel
because he didn't need.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
To have that. He didn't know what he needed to
dispose of her body, but he had the ability to
strangle her in the hotel room. Do we know if
he was I hate to ask this, but I'm going
to because I know that he took pictures of her naked. Yes,
And I am going to assume that she was dead
when he took the pictures. Is that true? Yes, he
took pictures of her to remember remember what he had done,
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so that he could go back and relive the moment.
Is like and think, But are you able to determine
if he had if he had sex with her after
she was dead? Was he watching porn to reinvigorate himself
to attack her while she was dead.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Quite possibly, and I don't you know in the court record,
there's there's not a lot of data contained in their
relative to to the sexual assault or if it was
post mortem or anti mortem. But it still goes to
this thread that runs through the entire thing, that this
is a purely sexually motivated crime that winds up in
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her death. And you know, here here's one other thing.
He he she had drank so much alcohol, you know
when they were out, you know, when they were getting
no one another and they're talking all the sort of things.
Her her her legal the legal limit was. She had
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blown through that already. So you know, you're really wondering,
you know, if they're in the bar, or is he saying, well,
why don't we do some shots? You know, maybe maybe
he's got her doing shots so that he's going to
get her more pliable to whatever it is that he
wants to do this. This person had planned this thing out.
It's not highly highly planned, but there is a plan
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here to do what he's going to do. And again,
while he is on this high and she's deceased, he's
still trying to achieve to achieve the satisfaction through either
you know, documenting what he had done. He's going to
go back and fantasize over this. It really gives you
pause to wonder if if there were others, because you know,
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you've got people that engage in this behavior. They take
photographs of this horrible activity that they're engaged in, and
one of the things they love to do, DAVI, is
to go back in review. And we've talked about all
the serial killers that are out there, you know, over
the years that have taken trophies, and they do take
pictures as well. Uh, there's any number of these people
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that take pictures of their victims in a deceased state
and they go back and they relive this for them.
Was he essentially apprehended on the front end of maybe
a career as a as you know, as a serial
perpetrator or is this something that he had been engaged
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in before. I do know this though this person is
now off the streets. He is serving a mandatory life sentence.
But the one thing I do know is that this
young lady's life, who she was living it to the fullest,
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traveling about the world, was snuffed out by total and
complete stranger. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks MHM.
Buddy Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. The world is laid
out before you when you start talking about things like
gap years. It's an exciting time for a college student
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who or a student that is going to go into
college to take that gap year. And sometimes you'll have
gap years. Sometimes people will start college and then say
after their sophomore year, I'm gonna take a gap year
and just travel. And look, I got no problem with
that man. And you know, it's like you get family,
(00:55):
you get kids, those days are gone, they're gone. My
wife and I have come to travel later in our
lives and we do love travel. We do. We've been
to Great Britain several times, and as matter of fact,
we visited the area where our subject of today's episode
(01:17):
originated from, Essex. But there's one place that I've always
wanted to go, and that's New Zealand. And today we're
going to talk about a case that so captured the
imagination of a country who is not used to violent crime.
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This is one of those moments in times where it
this event so shocked the conscience of a country that
you could not peel them away from the news. They wanted,
I think to try to understand it because some things,
particularly in those areas that we discuss, there's really no
(02:02):
answers most of the time. Why goes out the door.
Today we're going to talk about the homicide of Grace Mulane.
I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks David that
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it's hard to take the measure of this crime that
took place in New Zealand back in twenty eighteen. Now
it's resonated over all of these years because of the
level of brutality. And I think this Stranger on Stranger
(02:43):
event where you've got this young, innocent lady who is
literally taking a gap year into tribesing around the world.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I so you mentioned that, you know, Grace Mulane was
taking that gap year, and gap years can be applied
to after high school or after college, either way you
look at it. Oftentimes a gap year after high school
ends up being a gap career, but a gap year
after college can open your eyes to the rest of
the world because a college atmosphere can be so liberal
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or just one way, and you get away for a
year and realize what reality's like. And Grace Mulane was
doing that. She had this gap year and she had
a plan and she ended up going to New Zealand
and she was camping and doing the things she wanted
to do. But Grace Mulane was also looking at the
world and living it using the dating app Tender, and
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it was through the dating app Tender that she met
Jesse Kimpson. Jesse Kimpson used Tender before, during, and after
Grace Mulane. The reason we're doing the show about twenty
one year old Grace mulanine murder by Jesse Kimpson is
(04:02):
I want to point something out to you that while
she's dead, he's killed her and her body is still
in his hotel room. He went out on another Tender date.
That is Jesse Kimpson in a nutshell. So that's the
story today. A woman who has gone through college has
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taken a year to go see the world and she's
living that dream and gets snuffed out by a guy
she meets on Tender. And by the way, you know,
we have CCTV footage of their date. Did you know that, Joe?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, we have a timeline of the night they met,
the night they got together. We have pictures from five
point forty five that evening of a very alive and
thriving Grace Mulane as she arrives in the front of
this casino twenty foot tall Christmas tree, such a thing.
She actually stood there waiting for her date, her tender date,
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Jesse Kimpson, and she is so enamored with the tree
she takes a picture and sends it to her family
in Essex. He arrives Jesse does, They hug and proceed
to go on their date. Six o'clock, the two of
them were walking into a casino. They find Andy's burger Bar.
I wonder if this is kind of like if Andy's
(05:25):
burger Bar is similar to a demolition man where everything
was named Taco Bell you know where. Yeah, that's what
I picture Andy's burger Bar being, because they actually go
in there and order drinks, find a table, and are
chilling out on their date. Seven twelve, they're seen leaving
the burger bar going across the road to a Mexican cafe.
They spend the next hour until Kemsen comes to pay
(05:46):
the bill with her standing right beside him. And eight
twenty seven, the pair is filmed from a distance now,
but you can see them crossing Albert Street and They
head into the Bluestone room, where Kimson had earlier been
drinking beer alone. By this point in the evening, they kiss.
This is a tender date in her eyes, what going
really well? Nine pm CCTV shows Grace Mullane and Jesse
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Kimpson entering the hotel where Kimson is living at the time.
They entered the elevator and they head to Kimson's room
what they call an apartment. That's the last time we
see Grace Mullane alive. We know that she is brutally murdered,
possibly possibly Joe in the early morning hours of December second.
(06:38):
By the way, that's her birthday. Grace Mullane might have
been killed, brutally murdered on her twenty second birthday.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, And that was one of the things that really
I think struck home with the family was that it
was I might get the number wrong, but I think
it was like twenty six or seven different birthday wish
wishes text that had seemingly gone ignored and you know,
(07:11):
relative to you know, the family thinking about this, We've got.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
A girl so attached to her mom. She takes a
picture of the Christmas tree and sends it to her.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and I think that at some point in time
she had sent a text talking about how well things
were going, that she felt like she had a connection
with this guy. And I still don't you know, I
don't understand how you can have a connection with somebody
in this shorter period of time. Maybe they had been
(07:40):
talking on tender maybe that was already you know that
that had already kind of been brought about, you know,
the seeds that had been planted, And you feel fin
of this, this kind of connection with someone, so you're
predisposed to it.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
A friend who got married on her first date.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Wow, yeah, they met. I've avoided that trap.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
They met and hooked up and went, wow, this you're
the You're the person I've been waiting for, they said it. Yeah,
and they got married. I mean we're talking. I didn't
know you before the sun came up yesterday. You are
now my spouse for life that before the sun comes
up again, and they're still together thirty years later.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Holy smokes. Well wow, good for them. I have to
imagine that that's got to be kind of a rarity. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I got to feel that that's not the norm.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, it wouldn't that wouldn't fly with me. It took me.
I don't know with Kim that I think it. I
think it took us eight months. But still and by
some measure, that's that's pretty quick. But wow, uh yeah,
And so I don't see how how someone can connect
that quickly. And and let's face it, get this intimate. Yeah,
(08:57):
because we're talking, we're talking a level of intimacy here
that and there's two types of intimacy. You have intimacy
from an emotional standpoint, where you're sharing with one another
and talking and maybe you find a common ground. But
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then you have sexual intimacy. Now, whether or not she
Grace was interested in a sexual encounter with him, I
don't know, But I do know that the level of
brutality that is apparently involved or was involved in this
(09:41):
case reached such a height that it's evidenced in the
fact that in the wake of him having killed her,
you had mentioned he went back on tender. In addition
to that he as her as her remains are in
(10:02):
the room, he's actually searching out and that he's oscillating
between these two things. Just imagine this, just for a second.
He's thinking about ways to get rid of human remains.
He even goes so far as to search out birds
(10:25):
that will consume human flesh in New Zealand, what specific
species exists. Oh and by the way, he was also
spicing things up with her cooling remains laying there on
the floor of that hotel room. He was also viewing
pornography at the same time. Dave, I started out as
(11:06):
a death investigator so young that this is why really
young people do not need to be death investigators. You
were not seasoned enough in the things of the world
in order to appreciate full scope and magnitude of what
you're looking at. I think. And here's my example. I remember,
(11:33):
I couldn't have been any more than I think twenty
four and I worked what was ruled as a homicide
by our office of a case involving sexual frenzy in
the bedroom where the two people that were engaging in
(11:57):
sexual activity together were so ramed up, so sexually stimulated
that rough sex came into play, and the individual that
wound up being the perpetrator in this crime got so
carried away that they were slapping this person around and
(12:19):
choking them at the same time. In the person succumb
to to asshixia, and this is there was not a
pattern of this behavior with multiple partners. It had been
stated in this case that they had engaged in this
behavior before. And I'm just talking about this from my
(12:39):
perspective as a very young death investigator. I didn't I
didn't know that that sort of thing went on. You know,
you hear about these things with B DSM and all
these sorts of things, but you don't until you actually
see this person lying there and on the bed. I'll
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never forget her laying there nude, and her head was
just purple. It was purple because he had asphyxiated her
with his bare hands. I couldn't really make sense of
it because I'd had asphyxial homicides prior to that, but
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not with the sexual component. It was always like just
out and out anger, I'm going to choke the life
out of you, that sort of thing. It wasn't like
a sexual practice, and it was the first time i'd
seen that. And you know, with this particular case, you've
got pathology going on between this individual's ears regarding these practices.
(13:47):
I think that this is something that this individual was
seeking out and who better, who better to target than
this young woman who's traveling. One thing that I failed
to mention earlier is that she had just arrived in
in New Zealand, having spent several weeks traveling. Six weeks
(14:08):
traveling about South America. What a grand but what a
grand adventure. Huh. That's what I think when you think
about it, this, this is like perfection. I would and
she was stayed in hostels. Uh, you know all along
the way, saved money. I've stayed in hostels before in
Great Britain.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
She was making a lifelong trip, one that you tell
your it's the trip you tell your family about.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Absolutely, you know, six weeks in South America. Just reminded
when when everything came about and she goes to ok
when you mentioned she just got there. I don't know
what kind of tender relationship they had in terms of
because I don't I don't under Okay, I don't use tender.
I'm married. I don't These things didn't exist when you know,
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so this whole there's I know, I know what they are,
but I don't know how people true used them. It's
kind of like, you know, a lot of people claim
a lot of things are available, but you just kind
of look at it and go yeah, right, sure, okay, right,
but there are people who do you know, casual sex
or what have you. You know, you meet somebody on tender,
they look good, You go about, you get along. Hey,
(15:18):
let's just go finish the evening off. Here we go.
I mean, I don't I'm not saying that's good, bad,
or indifferent. I'm saying it does happen. She spends six
weeks in South America doing, you know, whatever she wants
to do. All I was thinking because of the way
it ended, isn't it odd that she picks South America?
Where after you're on Vandersloue did whatever he did with
Natalie Holloway. He ends up going to South America, and
(15:39):
what happens. He meets a girl in playing blackjack. He
gets her to his hotel room. It's running the anniversary
of Natalie Holloway's murder. And what happens He kills her
in the hotel room, yep, and leaves her body in
there and goes for coffee. I mean, I'm thinking, how
odd it is that she was I'm thinking, there are
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men you're in Vandersloop, Robert Chambers that actually exists to
terrorize and torture women and claiming sex.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah yeah, I mean you could even you could even
go back to what was it called the boy It
escapes me now, uh, the it's not back page, it's
the uh the murder. Uh this guy had Craigslist murder.
A Craigslist murderer. Yeah. And and so there's been a
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template for this for some time, and that that's the
scary thing about all of these is that you you
don't know who's behind the veil is the problem, and
you don't know what is waiting for you out there,
and you're you're vulnerable. Boy, is she ever vulnerable? Because
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you know, he the perpetrator is a he is a Kiwi.
He's he's from New Zealand. You know this is his homecoming. Dude.
She's she's come from South America. She knows nobody, all right,
She's there in this environment, having freshly. You can imagine
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the excitement you know that she's experiencing upon it.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I'm just enamored with her. I mean, well, a woman,
a young woman that has that kind of foresight and
the guts that takes. You have to really really have
confidence in life and in yourself to create this kind
of opportunity to go and spend six weeks in South
America and head to Auckland, New Zealand. Again, a lot
of people talk about the dreams they have in life.
(17:36):
She's doing. She's twenty one years old and she's living in.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, And I got to say something about my friends
in Great Britain. They raise their children to do this. Actually, Yeah,
I'm amazed my British friends that I encounter how often
they travel, you know, outside of Great Britain as families.
You know, they'll go in holiday place, they'll go for
(17:59):
Christmas and in foreign land. You know this It's not
something that we're used to doing in America. My son Noah,
after we had taken him to Great Britain several times,
he went over and went to Great Britain by himself
for Christmas because and he stayed at the home of
some friends that we had made outside of Liverpool. And
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he's just that kind of adventurous soul.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Do they call themselves Liverpoodlians.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yes, Liverpudlians, I believe it's a correct term. But yeah,
lovely people and uh and very generous, very kind, but Liverpool.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
And walk around and say do you know, John Paulnah.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
It's a fantastic, fantastic trip and we certainly enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
All right. So, but just so I can be clear,
because I didn't know this, okay, and I'm going to
assume a lot of folks done. I didn't know that,
but that this was kind of a thing that in
Great Britain parents encourage their children to do. Young adults
they do.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, we're so so we're very sheltered here in
the US. We're not. We don't do international travel like
people that live abroad, right and broad that's yeah, broad
to us.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And so because their countries are so close to one.
In other words, you and I might travel between Alabama, Georgia,
South Carolina, North Carolina and what have you. Well, if
you're in Europe, you're going from Germany to Poland to Austria,
you know, France, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah. Well, as an example, you know, the same couple
that came to celebrate their their anniversary in New York
and they were and their goal was to make it
to Vegas. That's what they wanted to do. They wanted
to go to Vegas and this was I think one
of their first journeys to the US. They said, yeah,
(19:49):
we got on the plane and headed to Vegas. We
had no idea that it was a long way from
New York to Vegas. It took forever to get there.
Because you know, if you if you can fly the Hephrow,
you know, and go go, you can go to the
Czech Republic, or you go to Switzerland and you're there
in the blink of an eye. It's yeah, and they're
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speaking a different language. It's not like that here, and so.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Oh my gosh, I didn't think about that. So yeah, no,
I get it.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, and it's it's inexpensive to fly to do these
little hops over there. But here, you know, we're we're
kind of trapped in this. So the fact that Grace
did this really speaks to the type of person she was,
you know, setting out on this grand adventure to travel
the world. She was going to spend a year doing this.
And the problem arises though, when you're a stranger in
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a strange land, you don't know who's out there waiting,
and you can place yourself in some very very difficult situations.
I can't imagine what her parents were we're having to
deal with, particularly when you if you have a child
that is missing, that they have come off of your radar,
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and you are literally thousands upon thousands of miles away
from them, and there is nothing you can do to
try to track her down or save her or provide
for her. You're just you're at the mercy of the
authorities in that particular country, and that's what they were
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dealing with. The one thing you can say about New
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Zealand other than it is apparently a lovely place with
lovely people, very beautiful country, is that once you get
out of places like christ Church in Auckland, you're out
in the wilderness at that point in time. A lot
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of undeveloped areas out there. Wild wild sometimes equals beauty,
and it's a short trip to really getting lost, I think,
which is very attractive I think in a place like
that and just to kind of explore the countryside and
see how gorgeous it is. But you know, here, when
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you're talking about a case like this where you have
a foreigner that has come into a place that she
is not familiar with, and they're around an individual who
is aware of their surroundings and where you can go,
she's at a distinct disadvantage. Oh boy. However, however, here's
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the thing I would say, the perpetrator in this case
was not fully aware of his surroundings, because David, I
got to tell you, brother, out of the cases that
we cover, I don't know that I have seen a
case where the movements of one individual are documented by
so much videography, including one of the most chilling things
(23:18):
that I think that we could ever bear witness to,
and that is him stepping onto an elevator with no
grace but a suitcase in his hand, and it just
it goes from bad to worse. At that point in time.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
When I was earlier and talking about the timeline that
night of because I wanted to point out that in
a lot of communities like that, they have CCTV cameras
all over Great Britain, New Zealand. The things that I'm
not aware of, you know, you're being observed, yeah, right,
and everywhere in the US it's like that in some
urban areas and but for the most part it's you know,
(23:53):
a lot of times it's ring doorbell cameras that we
hear about, but when we do stories overseas, it's oftentimes
CCTV camera and you can follow in this case, document
their date that night and where they were.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
From beginning to end. And then you throw in this
other element, which is has tremendous forensic value, is the
text that were going out, and then anything that's contained
on that tender app as well. But go ahead right now.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's why I was going to ask you, because now
well you know, we know that as we mentioned, Grace
had spent six weeks in South America. She was on
this one year gap year backpack around the world trip,
which is just gutsy is I'll get out, not because
she's a woman, but because she's doing it by herself
and planning. It's it's not an easy thing to do,
(24:40):
even just I wouldn't encourage anybody to go on a
trip by themselves ever, but that's just me. In this case,
she gets there and she's planning, she had all planned out.
She was spending two weeks in New Zealand, she had
spent six weeks in South America. She's got two weeks
here she's backpacking and doing whatever, and I love it,
I just guts I love it. But her of hook
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meeting up with Kemsen and as we detailed her at
the timeline of their date all the way back to
the hotel, and from what I understand, our last pictures
of her alive was the night before her you know,
December one, in the evening, and they get off the
they go into his room and that's it. We do
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not see Grace mulane alive after she turns twenty two
years old on December second.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, and let me let me kind of describe this
guy for you. When you see him. You know, one
of the things that New Zealand is known for. I
think they're called the All Blacks is the name of it.
Their national rugby team. They are renowned. This guy when
you see him, Dave, I don't know if you've ever
been around a rugby player. This guy looks like he
(25:52):
could play rugby. Now, as it turns out, he had
played on some kind of national softball team or something
like this. This guy is a hulking mass. And when
you see Grace, she's she's tiny. I mean, she's not
like this, this big, robust young lady. She is very tiny.
(26:14):
This guy, when you see there's actually CCTV footage riding
up what they refer to as the Lift. Of course,
that's that's the elevator. This young lady has got an
expression on her face that is just joy. You can
(26:36):
see her. It's it's she's very she has very soft
appearance about her, like she's happy, she's contented. But she's
standing next to this guy, Dave. He looks like he's
got like a fifty two inch chest, broad shoulders, you know,
really a big big man. And they're riding up this
elevator together. And this is essentially the last few moments
(27:01):
that you see her, and then it comes to this
horrific end in that hotel room. And it was it
was so horrific Dave, that he felt compelled to go
and rent a carpet cleaner. Just think about that. He
(27:25):
had left this apartment slash hotel room that he's staying in.
He bought a large suitcase. Boy cleaning supplies all these
sorts of things, and he comes back to make make
off with her body and the next and we can
(27:45):
only surmise that when you see him exiting this this elevator,
he's got it's a silver plastic suitcase that's probably the
biggest one that you could that you could purchase. And
you know for a fact that she's folded up in there, Dave.
(28:06):
And the thing about it is he did this. You
know how I talked about how there were you know,
he was engaged in watching pornography and all these sorts
of things while she lay dead in the room. Here's
some of the other things that he searched out while
she's there. Now they know this for a fact, that
he had searched out. This is like that one nine
(28:29):
to six am.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
And this is after. There's always a question mark of
winter person dies. And I have to ask you, Joe,
can you identify based on what you know right now
he's doing searches at one twenty nine, is Grace already dead? Yes,
So he kills her less than an hour and twenty
(28:54):
nine minutes into December the second. Now we don't know
when she died, but could you determine based on knowing
that got back to the hotel all at section and
such time we see them getting off the hotel elevant, Yes,
and then the time that he's on searching porn you
can determine.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
It, yeah, because they had you know, they essentially entered
back the place. The place that he's staying at is
called city Life Auckland and they literally just essentially walk
across the lanes of the adjacent road and they're they're
at this place. And so when he's going up there,
(29:34):
this is what I believe. I think that he had
identified her as somebody that he wanted to engage in
this sexual behavior with. He planned on her not leaving
that room, that he was going to indulge in this
this fantasy that he had worked out in his mind.
I found it, you know, I found it very interesting
that at his trial. I hate this. I hate this
(29:56):
damn term, Dave, I really do. It's so dismissive. The
term is called misadventure. Oh, I had the defense. The
defense used that term that this was just a sexual misadventure.
You know that it's it's rough sex, and it's just
a misadventure, you know. Misadventure to me means that you've
(30:20):
made some type of mistake, you know, and that it
can be that there's some kind of justification for it.
But when you go when you see the kind of
planning that he had gone through and that he had
identified her, she met something within his mind, within his
this dreamscape that he has and he's acting out of
(30:42):
fantasy with her, and it's It's absolutely brutal what he
had done, because as as she lay there deceased in
this room, Dave, he searched out things like roger mortis,
and I think I know why he did that. He's
(31:03):
trying to determine if the level of rigidity in her
body is he going to be able to fold her
to get in Just let your teeth sink into this.
Is he going to be able to fold her and
manipulate her body to get her body into this suitcase? Now?
How horrific is that. It's not like he's searching out
liver mortis or postport vidity or algor mortives, which is
(31:27):
body temperature. No, no, No, he's looking for rigidity. He wants
to try to understand can he manipulate her arms, her waist,
her knees to fold her over to fit her into
this suitcase. That's what he's trying to understand. He's also
searching out terms, Dave, like hottest fire, what's the how
(31:48):
hot do you need a fire in order to dispose
of the body. And you couple that with these scavenger
animals that he's looking for, specifically birds, what type of
birds are in this particular area that if I left
her out, I guess exposed that they would come and
(32:09):
diminish her body out there. That's where this guy's mind is, Dave.
The only saving grace here, I would say that could
lend some credence to what the defenses has opined in
his case was that he hadn't bought these things beforehand,
(32:31):
and as a matter of fact, he didn't even have
a shovel in his possession. But this is so key here.
He actually searched out something else, Dave. He searched out
(32:53):
a location to get rid of her body. The place
is called the way Tackrii Ranged. And if you're looking
on a map of Auckland, which Auckland actually occupies, they
have two islands in in New Zealand, Uh, you have
North Island, South Island, and if you go to the
(33:16):
west of of of Auckland, there is this wilderness range
out there, uh, the way Tackria Range, where there's you know,
there's all kinds of wildlife. It's National parks out there.
He's looking for a place to put as much distance
between himself and her body. But what what he's not
(33:41):
counting on, I think is the fact that he's everywhere
he's going he's leaving this electronic you know, uh, these
electronic uh little of footprints behind him and in her case,
and it's it's very damning evidence.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
They about all of this that drives me beyond you
mentioned misadventure. Yeah, and the fact that Jesse Kimpson preyed
upon Grace Mulane. He knew that she was backpacking alone
across the you know, she had two weeks in New Zealand.
(34:19):
He's from there, and he he zeros in on her
and then he plays hardball to get her to agree
to go out for drinks. She didn't have any plans.
He talks her into it and they meet up and
her the last night of her life begins with meeting
up with Jesse Kimpson, who, based on what transpires between
the time that they get back to the hotel and
the time that we know he's looking at porn at
(34:41):
one twenty nine am, he was able to do whatever
he wanted to her and kill her. Now can you
tell did he use a garrett of some type to
strangle her? Did he use his hands? How did Jessekimpson
kill Grace Mulane?
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Well, it was it was actually he throttled her to death,
Dave with his hands. And again that's not surprising in
a case like this, because there's something the tactile nature
of an attack like this where you can As horrible
(35:21):
as this is, but I need to go ahead and
lay this out to everyone listening.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I don't understand what throttle means either.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well, throttling is you're wrapping your hands around their throat, okay,
just like you and you can do it either from
the rear from the front. And so when you wrap
your hands around someone's neck, it intensifies this sexual experience,
right because it's flesh on flesh. It's flesh on flesh.
(35:49):
You have this sensation of their warm skin beneath your fingertips,
and you are literally, you know, driving them of their life.
The pathologists and you know, they they were uh, they
were able to go to the range, this mountain range
(36:13):
and and began to uh recover her remains out there.
They recovered her in a very very short order. And
it's not like she lay out in the wilderness in
the suitcase for months and months and months. It was
(36:34):
literally within days that they had recovered her. When the
pathologists actually examined her body, Dave, this is kind of
an interesting, interesting little aside. The pathologists saw evidence of restraint,
and when I said restraint, I'm not talking like tying
(36:55):
somebody down. There were bruises on her body that gave
the indication that there was tremendous amount of pressure put
on these peripheral areas, like on the arms or the shoulders,
perhaps with his knees, where he's pressing down on her
and leaving these big contusions on her as he's wrapping
(37:16):
his hands around her throat to choke her to death.
I think the bold nature of all of this is
that his actions after it's almost like he's in some
kind of sexual frenzy. I've often thought about when people
work themselves up under these circumstances, it's almost like a
(37:37):
feeding frenzy with sharks. Have you ever seen those images
of sharks rolling over the water. Because you know, you
had rightly mentioned that he had this other tender date.
We had mentioned he's looking at porn. He's hyper stimulated
at this point in time, and he's going on to
(37:58):
the next thing to try to maintain that dopamine high
or whatever it is that he's got going on in
his brain and the boldness of somebody to purchase a
suitcase and to rent a carpet cleaning machine, which he
later returned after he utilized this thing, and then to
(38:19):
hire a car, Dave, to hire a car to transport
her body in You know, you place the suitcase in
the in the trunk or in the boot, as they say,
and you transport her body out there, stopping along the
way by the way to purchase a shoal a shovel
because he didn't need.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
To have that. He didn't know what he needed to
dispose of her body, but he had the ability to
strangle her in the hotel room. Do we know if
he was I hate to ask this, but I'm going
to because I know that he took pictures of her naked. Yes,
And I am going to assume that she was dead
when he took the pictures. Is that true? Yes, he
took pictures of her to remember remember what he had done,
(39:02):
so that he could go back and relive the moment.
Is like and think, But are you able to determine
if he had if he had sex with her after
she was dead? Was he watching porn to reinvigorate himself
to attack her while she was dead.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Quite possibly, and I don't you know in the court record,
there's there's not a lot of data contained in their
relative to to the sexual assault or if it was
post mortem or anti mortem. But it still goes to
this thread that runs through the entire thing, that this
is a purely sexually motivated crime that winds up in
(39:44):
her death. And you know, here here's one other thing.
He he she had drank so much alcohol, you know
when they were out, you know, when they were getting
no one another and they're talking all the sort of things.
Her her her legal the legal limit was. She had
(40:05):
blown through that already. So you know, you're really wondering,
you know, if they're in the bar, or is he saying, well,
why don't we do some shots? You know, maybe maybe
he's got her doing shots so that he's going to
get her more pliable to whatever it is that he
wants to do this. This person had planned this thing out.
It's not highly highly planned, but there is a plan
(40:27):
here to do what he's going to do. And again,
while he is on this high and she's deceased, he's
still trying to achieve to achieve the satisfaction through either
you know, documenting what he had done. He's going to
go back and fantasize over this. It really gives you
pause to wonder if if there were others, because you know,
(40:51):
you've got people that engage in this behavior. They take
photographs of this horrible activity that they're engaged in, and
one of the things they love to do, DAVI, is
to go back in review. And we've talked about all
the serial killers that are out there, you know, over
the years that have taken trophies, and they do take
pictures as well. Uh, there's any number of these people
(41:12):
that take pictures of their victims in a deceased state
and they go back and they relive this for them.
Was he essentially apprehended on the front end of maybe
a career as a as you know, as a serial
perpetrator or is this something that he had been engaged
(41:32):
in before. I do know this though this person is
now off the streets. He is serving a mandatory life sentence.
But the one thing I do know is that this
young lady's life, who she was living it to the fullest,
(41:53):
traveling about the world, was snuffed out by total and
complete stranger. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybacks MHM.
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