January 1, 2025 • 40 mins
January 1, 2025 WednesdayWe start off the new year by taking a look at the top 10 most downloaded shows of the last year. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack talk about the shows and provide updated information and new forensic information that has come out since the episodes were first recorded. This first episode covers from number Ten to number Seven:#10 SHOCKING AUTOPSY: Who or What Killed Noah Presgrove?# 9. The New Epidemic: Fentanyl# 8. Married Couple Missing 3 Weeks, The Torture death of the Josephs# 7. The Monster is Real: Dad's New Girlfriend Kills Baby with Nail Polish Remover."
Transcribe Highlights
00:00.13 Introduction
01:28.03 The death of Noah Presgrove
05:27.26 Description of skull fracture
10:05.70 Moving a body - intent? Was Noah pushed out of vehicle
15:06.89 Fentanyl - not naturally occurring
19:15.88 Babies explore the world with their hands
24:14.86 The Tortue death of the Josephs
29:21.59 Two kettle bells purchased at Walmart
34:03.29 "The Monster is Real: Dad's New Girlfriend Kills Baby with Nail Polish Remover"
39:53.50 Conclusion
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Bodybags. But Joseph Scott more Well, a big hello and
happy new year. It's been an exciting year and we
have no one but you all to thank for that.
And as a way to kind of close out the
previous year and embark on the new year of twenty
(00:22):
twenty five, I'd like to peel it back a little
bit and talk about the top ten episodes for Bodybags
over the previous year. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Bodybags. Dave Mack. Happy New Year to you, brother.
(00:43):
It's going to be a great one man.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
You know, they all blur together after a while, you know,
it's just all of the shows that we have done
over the last year when you look at the top ten.
Noah Presgrove, that story came to us from one of
our listeners slash viewers, that people who follow you along
on your appearances on network television, and she reached out
(01:06):
and said, would you guys consider doing this?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
This this case deserved covering.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think this is going to be a show. We
update fairly quickly because a lot is still happening. A
lot of people have questions, how is it possible that
a nineteen year old young man can be at a
weekend party with friends in air quotes where they are
spending a lot of time on social media posting pictures
of him during the course of this party, and he
(01:34):
ends up with the kind of damage to his body,
found nude, dead in the middle of a road and
nobody knows anything. Joe some of the injuries. Give me
the list of his injuries and what his autopsy had
to have looked like. For Noah press Grove.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Ten broken roups, serious skull, neck and spinal fractures. Dave
and he had entire maternal bleeding. And you know, as
we've talked about previously Dave on body bags, internal bleeding
is not something that is unexpected. If you have a
(02:15):
young man like this has got fractured ribs, and you
can have these fractured ribs that penetrate the lungs. You
can actually have fractured ribs. I've worked cases where I've
had fractured ribs that have passed through the dome as
they refer to it, the dome of the diaphragm and
go directly into the liver. And the liver is so vascular,
(02:37):
you penetrate that and you're going to have a belly
full of blood at autopsy, so that when you make
that initial incision, there's just blood pouring out everywhere. And
it was a horrible death. This is not something that
I would think would have been an instantaneous event. Necessarily,
he may have very well lingered there. And I think
(02:57):
that the condition that his body was found in it's
really telling about this impact. And I think that it
is in a major impact that he sustained would have
been to the point where he would have had an
(03:17):
awareness that he was hit. I just hope that his
death was quick and merciful.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But do you think he was hit by like a truck.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I think that there is a possibility, because you had
to have been hit by something or pushed out. One
of the things that in this particular case that the
forensic pathologist has annotated here was the fact that he
didn't have a lot of injuries to his lower body.
(03:46):
And when you have a motor vehicle strike, first off,
you're going to get if you're hit by the front
of the vehicle. We've talked about this before. I think
we even talked about this in the Karen Reid case.
You're going to get bumper marks on the body, so
you'll have these kind of weird curve linear marks that
(04:07):
are around the lower lathe that he doesn't have that,
then you're going to get what to referred to as
rollover injuries where the car actually you know, might might
roll over the body. It's literally as translated, and the
body begins to spin underneath the vehicle. And then if
(04:30):
say the front tires hit the body, that starts a
spinning event, they're bouncing. The body would bounce underneath the
car and you sustain injuries from those impacts. And then
if you're hit again by the rear tires again that
that force is generating more and more trauma and you're
(04:51):
coming in contact with the surface of the road. I
think that there's a high probability that he may have
been impacted perhaps as he was riding a vehicle, perhaps
a four wheeler he's got he does, in fact have
(05:12):
massive trauma to his brain. And again, like I mentioned
with the ribs, when we get a skull fracture, those
bits of bone in the table of the skull they perforate,
They actually perforate the brain. And as we know, you know,
we talk about how vascular the liver is, the brain
is even more vascular, and you've got these tiny tiny
(05:35):
vessels that just run throughout it. Because out of all
of the organs in the body, the brain, the brain
demands the most oxygen. So it's you know, nature has
a way of getting blood flow to those areas, and
so you get those little tears in that tissue, the
(05:56):
vascular elements of the brain, and you'll have a lot
of bleeding. And so when you know, the the skull
is opened up, you know, the pathologist is faced with
this idea that there are a copious amount of blood
that's just pouring out of the interior of Noah's skull.
(06:19):
You're talking about severe upper body trauma, right, And here's
here's another thing. Part of his scalp is also torn away.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay, when you tell me what the difference between torn
away versus any other way it would be described if
you had skin that was lifted off of the body
of the bomb. I mean, it just seems like this
is such a very specific thing to be torn.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well, a lot of that can be counted, I think
many times toward elements of a vehicle, like a tire
or rubber tire. Perhaps if if the car actually let's
say he's riding on the back of a four wheeler
and he's impacted, or he's riding a four wheeler and
(07:07):
he's impacted, or he's riding in the back of the
jeep and the jeep is hitting the rear or in
the back of the truck and comes out of that vehicle.
Then he's essentially cast off beneath the vehicle. And as
you go under the undercarriage of that vehicle. These things
are traveling at a very high rate of speed, and
(07:29):
so just that energy alone, whatever solid surface that you
can catch hold of, say like on the scalp, will
literally rip it away. And you know how I've talked
about before day with lacerations, how I say the lacerations
are not the same as sharp force injuries. Yes, because
we've got you know, irregular edges, there's no clean margins. Well,
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this is a laceration. The only problem is is that
in a case like this, you're not actually going to
have two sides to marry up to anything, because an
entire bit of tissue is absent from the body, and
so you would have these big patches. And I've had
this happen before. I've had it happen not just on skulls.
(08:19):
I've had it happen on shoulders and legs. You're always
I've had great chunks of thighs that have been ripped away,
and a lot of that is come in contact with
a tire that passes over and it just kind of
rips it away, tosses it aside, or tosses it to
one side. I say tossing like it's an actual person
(08:42):
doing this. It's not. It's just the physics behind it
and where that winds up. And of course what they're
talking about here is that they at the scene, they
actually found clumps of tissue and hair laying out there
in the road. I can't tell you how many late
nights I've spent over the course of my career with
(09:04):
a flashlight in hand, walking two and three abreast with
state troopers and firefighters. And if you ever see people
like that on the road, that's what they're doing. We'll
walk abreast with flashlights and we're looking back and forth
to see if we can see any other evidence. And
here's another fascinating piece to Noah's death. Is it, Davey,
(09:25):
They actually found multiple teeth right scene, laying out in
the road.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Is it possible that some of the pieces they found
in the road, the teeth and what have you, could
have been manipulated by other people who found the body
before the police were there. Could there have been a
problem with this.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, I would you know, when the term manipulated is utilized,
I'm thinking, well, manipulation can come in a passive form,
like you move a body and things full away and
that does happen, then you can go It's almost like
sins of omission and commission. Then you can have people
that have intent that are trying to muddy the waters,
(10:10):
if you will. From an investigated perspective, I don't think
that we're dealing with a group of sophisticated people.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And they were all well yeah, and they were intoxicated, right,
I mean, they were.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Absolutely hammered out of the brain, you know. The cops.
The cops, from what I'm understanding, believe that he may
have been pushed from the back of a vehicle. I
think my supposition here though, is, Dave, is it possible
(10:39):
that as a result of being pushed out of a vehicle
that he was consequently run over, you know, by another
vehicle that followed in the heart of darkness. If you
will during that night, the nighttime. I mean, how many times?
How many times have you been going down the road,
(11:00):
And we'll ask our friends is too Just think how
many times have you been going down the road and
your own personal vehicle and it's pitch black, you came
to your hand in front of your face if you
didn't have headlights, and all of a sudden, headlights only
extend out so far, and all of a sudden, there's
this blob that appears in the middle of the road
and you can't avoid it. And I think in our
own minds, we don't. Our default position is never human.
(11:24):
It's always dog, deer, maybe a wild hog or a
raccoon or something like that, and you don't think human.
Maybe that has come into play, But I'm like you,
there is more to come on the no of press
growth case, and I'm waiting. The term silent killer is
(11:59):
thrown around quite a bit in media entertainment, this sort
of thing, and even in medicine. You know, they talk
about how hypertension is a silent killer, and it is.
But there is an agent out there that has impacted
our country so desperately, and not just our country, but
(12:20):
around the world, and it is something that we have
become all too familiar with. And this past year we
did an episode about this agent and it came in
at number nine for our year in count and Dave,
I got to tell you, I have this doesn't surprise
(12:40):
me because I think that some of the things that
we found out, some of the cases that we covered
in one in particular, that well, two of the cases
that are involved in this episode gained quite a bit
of notoriety throughout the year, didn't they.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, you know, the episode was titled the New Epidemic
Fentanyl and the ninth most downloaded show of the last year,
and you look at it and you actually broke it
down in a way that made good sense to me,
because I really wondered where we were going to go
with this. And you mentioned Corey Richins, the Moscow Mule Woman,
but you also mentioned the first actual trial conviction of
(13:21):
a person who actually made a drug, made a pill
and used fentanyl and it killed a girl. And then
we had the daycare in New York, so which was
still shocking to me. It boggles my mind, how little,
what little bit you have to use now to start
this with Corey Richins. We know her as the Moscow
(13:41):
Mule Wife. She uses fentanyl to kill her husband and
it took her a couple of times to get it
down pat She apparently had been trying to poison him
before trying to get rid of him. So which is
still to this day. Joe, Please, for the love, just
get a divorce, start your life over. I mean, come on,
(14:03):
do you really have to kill the father of your children?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah? Why? Why go to these links? And it's obvious
that well, first off, she didn't know what in the
hell she was doing. And you know, I guess I'm
not I'm not hearing to offer advice on this end,
trust me. But you know, when when you uh, you know,
you see someone and it's almost this is the thing
(14:27):
that's so disheartening about this, I think with uh, you
know her, her poor husband Eric Eric Richards, is that
she actually it was kind of like an experiment she
was running, Dave. That's the disgusting thing about it, uh,
where she was literally having to dial this in And
(14:48):
just so that we can reflect, just for a brief moment,
just in dulshmy Dave. Here, the fentanyl, you know, is
it's in the news. It's still in the news day
in in, day out. This is it's in the opiate family, Okay,
but this is not something that is naturally occurring. Okay,
(15:12):
it's actually a chemical compound that falls within the opiate family.
But the problem is is that it's like I think,
it's one hundred times stronger than morphine, Dave. And if
you've never been around morphine, if you've never received a
(15:34):
morphine injection for things. I had a terrible abdominal problem
at one point in time, and they had me. They
gave me a bullus of morphine. I've never had that before,
and Dave, I was feeling no pain whatsoever. As a
matter of fact, I just sleep slipped off into this
kind of milky, syrupy kind of twilight, you know thing
(15:58):
that I was in. You think about that, and then
you think about just a couple of grains of uh
of not grams, but grains of fentanyl UH can prove
lethal and in a case where where this is applied.
You know, for years they were using fentanyl patches and
(16:21):
they were used for a localized pain control, I think, UH,
to get people through you know, surgeries and uh, you know,
UH problems, skeletal problems, muscular problems, these sorts of things,
and then the people that were out there that that
had nefarious means about it, they said, oh wow, if
(16:42):
we can get our hands on these patches, uh you know,
people can we can sell these on the street. And
you know, they were finding people that had like two
and three patches stuck to their body. With Corey Richings,
the unique the uniqueness of this and we've actually seen
this in the past with poisoners. Dave uh Over, well
for centuries. Okay, there's a there's a very clandestine mindset
(17:07):
that these people have, you know, kind of they're the
ultimate silent assassin. And the thing about fentanyl, we we've
heard about people coming in contact with it, either passively
or directly. You know. Some of the things that terrify me,
particularly when it comes to these young cops that I
still teach four times a year at the Police Academy,
(17:29):
is that they're going to open up a bag and
there's going to be this big puff of dust that
comes out and this has happened, and they'll pass out.
Some of them go into cardiospiratory arrest, you know, and
it's it's a dangerous thing, but you know, she allegedly
found a way to weaponize this drug. Day.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Can narkhan reverse the effects of fentanyl?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It can, it can, But I would say that nark
Hahn is probably not as effective with this case. It
is that strong. Yeah, it's it's a tough hill to climb.
And there have been there's a number of reports that
I've read over the course of us you know, covering
cases where it says narkham was administered to no avail.
(18:17):
You know, it didn't, it didn't work out. I'm not
saying that it's it's you throw it out, okay, But
what I'm saying is is that fennel that gives you
an indication of how dangerous it is. And I understand
why our friends would be intrigued by the rich AND's
case because it is so ultimately bizarre. But arguably that case,
(18:42):
that case was striking to me. But Dave, the one
that really I think for you and me, if you'll
allow me to speak on your behalf. Yes, you are
these babies at you know, up in New York where
and I'll say it, these idiots we're storing fentanyl in
(19:02):
the floor of the home. And you and I both
have had little ones in our home for what many years?
And what do babies do with their hands? Well, they
explore the world with their hands. They're touching things. And
can you imagine you've got some You've got a child,
a baby that's crawling across the floor, this dirty, filthy
(19:26):
floor in this apartment that's fronting as a daycare center.
And the baby happens to put that precious little hand
down on the surface, that unclean surface. And what are
babies going to do with their hand? They're going to
take that hand and they're going to place it in
(19:47):
their mouth. Now, another way that fentanyl can be ingested
or taken up, if you will, is that under certain circumstances,
it can be transdermal, which means it can be absorbed
through the skin. Terrifying, right, Or like I mentioned with
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police officers, if you're just around, have you ever noticed,
particularly in the summertime, when the sun is beaming through
your window and you see that that kind of rain
of dust that's in the air, You know, you catch
that every now and then. Well, if fentanyl that they're
(20:27):
storing there is in a histamine form like that, and
you've got people stomping back and forth over that sealed area.
Guess what, that substance will rain up in the air
and float about well where babies they're down close to
the floor. So it's hard to say exactly how these
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precious children ingested this insidious, insidious age. It's not simply
the attic that's utilizing the substance. Everybody in their circle,
children included, can be subject to the effects of it,
and people that just going about their normal, everyday lives.
(21:13):
You open up a trunk of a car that you've
pulled over because it broke center line, if you're a
police officer, and that puff comes up and it hits
you in the face, and you might not be going
home that evening. Well, Dave, that brings us to the
(21:43):
eighth most downloaded episode of body Bags for this year.
And hey, you know what people always do with every
new year. They make resolutions. And one of the biggest
things that people resolved to do in their life is
(22:06):
to get in better shape. That means going to the gym,
that means working out and eating right and all these
sorts of things. But I got to tell you the
number eight case actually involved a bit of workout equipment,
and it was I think that our friends found this
episode particularly in lightning and interesting. If not, you know,
(22:31):
we wouldn't have had it sound.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like triple whammy, Joe, because actually gave you the chance
to tell us about a stretch of area in Louisiana
that I was unfamiliar with. You got to talk about
shopping at Walmart and how that came into the actual
breaking of the case. We got to talk about kettlebells
as well as recording artists in a studio and Atlanta
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to Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We had.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
This was a geographical nightmare of a story to tell
that you were ab or breakdown that actually ends with
a married couple following ten stories and surviving the fall.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, that's uh, that's quite remarkable, isn't it. Uh Where
of course we're we're talking about the title of this
episode was a married couple missing three weeks, the torture
death of the Joseph's uh and Uh not Joseph's like
plural me, but uh Joseph's is uh. Uh is their
(23:33):
last name Uh LaKeithia and Kenneth Joseph And eventually their
cause of death uh was in fact a drowning. But
Dave this this case in particular, Uh is is intriguing
by virtue of you know, the geography obviously, and then
(23:56):
the means I don't know that we really covered a
more bizarre this year than this one, and we covered
a lot of bizarre cases.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, and that's why I was This was a story that,
as you were telling it, I was not familiar with
the area. And for those of you who haven't had
a chance to listen to, I'd encourage it. He gave
you the title Married Couple Missing three Weeks, the torture
Death of the Josephs, And it's a phenomenal story of
(24:28):
a young of a couple who's recently married and they
end up being murdered and all of it actually sounds
kind of like a movie or an episode of a
police show. But it would have to be a two
parter because there are so many twists and turns in
this to go from recording studio in Louisiana to Atlanta
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and have rappers and vehicles and kettlebells all mixed together. Joe,
tell me how what happened to le Keith Lakeitha and
Kenneth Joseph. What happened to them?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Well, you know with with both of them, Uh, they
they actually were were taken uh to a location which
goes over a rather substantial waterway in between uh New
Orleans East, and you have to say, it is not
(25:28):
New Orleans and it's not New Orleans, it's New Orleans East. Uh.
That's how we say it, New Orleans East. And do
it again. Man, I got I got it in East.
Yeah yeah, yeah, so uh it uh. So many people
will say New Orleans, you know, they'll pronounce it like that,
(25:50):
and it doesn't matter what area of the country you
come from.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I blame it on the band that had a couple
of hits in the mid seventies Leans.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Uh. But yeah, So this couple who had taken their shot,
or at least peripherally, were involved in the music industry,
and I think that there are a lot of people
that are out there that that have uh you know,
have designs on becoming uh uh musical stars and wanting
(26:23):
to be involved in that environment. This case actually, you know,
started out in uh in a recording studio in Metai, uh, Louisiana,
which is actually my old jurisdiction. It is Jefferson Parrish, Louisiana.
So they there was a fight that had ensued at
(26:44):
a recording studio there. It was from there, well, they
believe the police believed that an attack actually took place
within the recording studio because, as it turned out later, Uh,
there was, in fact, there were blood stains on the
(27:05):
surface of the floor in the studio, and someone had
made an attempt to clean these blood stains up with
of all things, degreaser that it's going to lift it
out of there. Doesn't work, It doesn't, No, it doesn't.
You probably have a better luck with Dawn, and that
(27:26):
still doesn't work effectively. But Dawn is something, interestingly enough,
we clean the Morgue with. People don't realize that it
really it does a great job on blood.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And now we're doing commercials for days and we're not
talking about Gillian's Island and the other you know.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, no, we're talking about Dawn. Yeah. So been using
in the Morgue for years?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Is that what you use at home? Washington dishes?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh? Yeah, I do. And I think about those days
in the Morgue every time I'm scrubbing a dish.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But you know, they had made some kind of attempt
to clean the blood up. But here's the thing. The
corner actually opined that they were probably not dead at
the studio. It was like an attack, okay, And they
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were taken to this bridge which out in that portion
if anyone has ever driven into New Orleans on on it,
you go across what are referred to as the Twin
Span bridges that are out there. And running parallel to
the Twin Spans is Highway ninety, the same highway that
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Jane Mansfield died on, and it's back kind of to
the south of I ten and there's a large high
rise road or bridge that goes over. So there's two cities,
shall Met and New Orleans, and the area of New
Orleans that this is is referred to as New Orleans East,
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and this bridge is rather high. What they believe is
that two kettlebells were purchased from Walmart at one o'clock
in the morning, by the way, at one o'clock in
the morning, and the reason that they were found out
was that if you ever go to the Sporting good
(29:25):
section in Walmart. Now this may have changed some but
a lot of their athletic equipment as it applies to
bodybuilding is actually supplied by Gold's Gym. It's an actual
brand and that's what these kettle bells were so they
were actually lashed to these kettlebells. Kenneth and k Yeah,
(29:46):
Kenneth and Leakeitha. And they were tossed off of this bridge.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, just so I'm getting this right. Yeah, Kenneth and Leakeitha,
Joseph are attacked. They're tied up, they have kettlebells tied
to their bodies I'm guessing as weights to weight their
bodies down. They are then thrown off the ten story bridge. Yeah,
(30:12):
they survive the fall into the water. That ten story
fall did not kill them. How did they die, Joe?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, Well the coroner and again I think that this
is as much art as it is science because it
would be very difficult to try to make a determination.
But he opined that the cause of death was actually drowning.
(30:43):
And that's amazing, you know because if you fall from
a height, and I could tell your emphasis by what
you were saying, if you fall from a height, and
if it's ten stories, you think, well, let's just be
conservative and say it's each each story is ten feet
in height. All right, you're talking about one hundred foot fall.
(31:08):
That water can become like concrete when you hit it
if you don't hit it just right. And I'm not
of the opinion that anyone that jumps off of a
bridge necessarily dies immediately, and I know that's very gruesome
to contemplate. I think that they can be knocked unconscious,
(31:30):
but that doesn't mean that life has actually left their body.
Their brain is self functioning on one level, and they're
going to breathe, they're going to try to take up oxygen.
Of course, when you try to take up oxygen and
you're in a liquid environment, where are you going to
take up Well, you're going to suck in that brackish
(31:52):
water that flows beneath that bridge, and that's a mixture
of salt water and fresh water, and you're going to
have it all in your lungs. So you're going to
be looking in the airway. It's not just to see
if there is water present day, but one of the
things that is actually done is you're looking for what
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are referred to as diatoms, and there's there these little
bitty creatures, their little skeletons are there contained within the
sample that you're taking from the water, and that gives
you an idea that you have an uptake of water
into your airway, and so it's one of the ways
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that you can kind of verify whether or not someone
was still alive, you know, when they went in the water,
and that that would lead you to conclude that their
cause of death as was in this case listed as
listed as drowning. And of course this turns us into
a homicide. So that brings us to number seven on
(32:58):
our list for this year's most downloaded episodes. And David,
I got to tell you, I beat up a lot
on dudes on the show, I think many times. And
moms who invite boyfriends into homes and horrible things happen
(33:20):
to children many times. It's something I'm not particularly a
fan of, and that's simply based Look, I know that's
not every case, but it's simply based on the fact
that a lot of cases that you and I see,
you know, there's a boyfriend in the home that has
you know, just done horrible things. But you know, we
(33:42):
kind of flipped the script on this one. In this
particular case, this is the girlfriend that has entered the
home and you know, brought with her just pure, unadelterated hell.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The headline, the title of it tells you everything. Joe
number seven most downloaded show The Monster Is Real. Dad's
new girlfriend kills baby with Neil polish remover and by
the way, nail polish remover didn't even know it was deadly. No,
but that's only one thing that this person did to
(34:22):
that baby. This wasn't a one time thing, Joe. She
had been she had been feeding an eighteen month old
child the stuff of nightmares, beating by getting her to
ingest things that are not ingestible.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean. And the least of these were twenty
water beads DAVE, which are beats. Yeah, and so there
they're these little things that you know you can that
will dissolve in a bath, I think, and you know
they've mis a soaphy concoction and you can take a
bubble bath with. But then she graduated from water beads
(34:59):
to get the DAVE three button shaped batteries. Now when
I say button shaped, I'm talking about the circular circular batteries, Yeah,
the flat ones that you might use in a digital
wristwatch or whatever the case might be. Certain flashlights utilize them.
And then finally a screw, a metal screw, a metal
(35:24):
screw that this child and I have to wonder did
was this a passive event or did she hold her
mouth open and jam at donner throat? Uh? That's that's
the level of horror here that we're talking about. And
I don't you know, you you look at situations like
this and you begin to think, you know, dude, what
(35:44):
kind of vetting did you do on this person? You
know that you would entrust in my opinion? Uh, And
you know I'm kind of biased here. The most precious
thing we have is our children, and you know they
are God's gift. And to turn this child over lockstock
and barrel, to let's face it a total stranger. I
(36:07):
don't care how many months you've been together. You're not
going to turn over this precious child and entrust it
to someone like this. And you can't tell me that
there weren't signs leading up to this in this particular
case involving this precious little Iris. The the agent that
(36:31):
Owens chose here, as you had mentioned to acetone is
arguably one of the most painful ways someone can die. Well,
it's one of the things that it's going to do
is that it is you develop a condition called keto acidosis,
(36:53):
which is, you know, if people are treated for it
early on, they can survive. It's but if it goes untreated. Uh.
And unfortunately, many times, and this is not a dig
(37:14):
against clinicians, you have a child that presents in the
emergency room and they don't they don't necessarily think acetone poisoning,
you know, they think that the kid has got some
other kind of metabolic thing going on. Maybe it's some
kind of natural disease a child is presenting with, and
(37:36):
they're trying to to treat this. And the problem is
is that with acetone poisoning which leads to keto acidosis,
is that if you do not begin treatment specifically for
that early on, and you know in the trajectory of
the treatment plan, you're it's kind of a lost cause
(37:59):
and it would be very painful. It'd be a horrible
way to die. You know, you get horrible stomach cramps, vomiting, diarrhea,
blood pressure crashes, and eventually most people in this progression
become comatose. And what happens is is that you're going
(38:19):
to go into and this is really one of the
things that makes it very insidious, is that you go
into kidney failure day. We're talking about eighteen month old
here that her kidney's completely shut down. And one of
the ways they make the diagnosis is that they take
a urine sample, and you're not supposed to have keytnes
(38:39):
and your urine, so you know that if keytones are present,
that there's problem back upstream that needs to be treated.
But you know who who knows when they're starting to
shift and you're in the emergency room that you're going
to have kid that has ingested. Are been four to
(39:00):
ingest nil polish remover and unfortunately it led to this
precious baby's death.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
In this episode, we've covered from number ten, the tenth
most downloaded episode of the year, down to number seven.
Tomorrow we pick up with number six as we head
anyone like doing the Casey case on this year's annual countdown.
It's a long distance Jedakid dedication from Joseph Scott Morgan
in his studio in Body Bags World in Jacksonville and Alabama,
(39:33):
and he's sending it out to everyone in his hometown
of Nolan's, Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Well, we will be picking up with number six tomorrow, Dave,
And in the meantime, keep your feet on the ground.
I keep freaking breaking for the stars. I'm Joseph Scott
Morgan and this is body Bags
Bodybags. But Joseph Scott more Well, a big hello and
happy new year. It's been an exciting year and we
have no one but you all to thank for that.
And as a way to kind of close out the
previous year and embark on the new year of twenty
(00:22):
twenty five, I'd like to peel it back a little
bit and talk about the top ten episodes for Bodybags
over the previous year. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
is Bodybags. Dave Mack. Happy New Year to you, brother.
(00:43):
It's going to be a great one man.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
You know, they all blur together after a while, you know,
it's just all of the shows that we have done
over the last year when you look at the top ten.
Noah Presgrove, that story came to us from one of
our listeners slash viewers, that people who follow you along
on your appearances on network television, and she reached out
(01:06):
and said, would you guys consider doing this?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
This this case deserved covering.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I think this is going to be a show. We
update fairly quickly because a lot is still happening. A
lot of people have questions, how is it possible that
a nineteen year old young man can be at a
weekend party with friends in air quotes where they are
spending a lot of time on social media posting pictures
of him during the course of this party, and he
(01:34):
ends up with the kind of damage to his body,
found nude, dead in the middle of a road and
nobody knows anything. Joe some of the injuries. Give me
the list of his injuries and what his autopsy had
to have looked like. For Noah press Grove.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Ten broken roups, serious skull, neck and spinal fractures. Dave
and he had entire maternal bleeding. And you know, as
we've talked about previously Dave on body bags, internal bleeding
is not something that is unexpected. If you have a
(02:15):
young man like this has got fractured ribs, and you
can have these fractured ribs that penetrate the lungs. You
can actually have fractured ribs. I've worked cases where I've
had fractured ribs that have passed through the dome as
they refer to it, the dome of the diaphragm and
go directly into the liver. And the liver is so vascular,
(02:37):
you penetrate that and you're going to have a belly
full of blood at autopsy, so that when you make
that initial incision, there's just blood pouring out everywhere. And
it was a horrible death. This is not something that
I would think would have been an instantaneous event. Necessarily,
he may have very well lingered there. And I think
(02:57):
that the condition that his body was found in it's
really telling about this impact. And I think that it
is in a major impact that he sustained would have
been to the point where he would have had an
(03:17):
awareness that he was hit. I just hope that his
death was quick and merciful.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But do you think he was hit by like a truck.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I think that there is a possibility, because you had
to have been hit by something or pushed out. One
of the things that in this particular case that the
forensic pathologist has annotated here was the fact that he
didn't have a lot of injuries to his lower body.
(03:46):
And when you have a motor vehicle strike, first off,
you're going to get if you're hit by the front
of the vehicle. We've talked about this before. I think
we even talked about this in the Karen Reid case.
You're going to get bumper marks on the body, so
you'll have these kind of weird curve linear marks that
(04:07):
are around the lower lathe that he doesn't have that,
then you're going to get what to referred to as
rollover injuries where the car actually you know, might might
roll over the body. It's literally as translated, and the
body begins to spin underneath the vehicle. And then if
(04:30):
say the front tires hit the body, that starts a
spinning event, they're bouncing. The body would bounce underneath the
car and you sustain injuries from those impacts. And then
if you're hit again by the rear tires again that
that force is generating more and more trauma and you're
(04:51):
coming in contact with the surface of the road. I
think that there's a high probability that he may have
been impacted perhaps as he was riding a vehicle, perhaps
a four wheeler he's got he does, in fact have
(05:12):
massive trauma to his brain. And again, like I mentioned
with the ribs, when we get a skull fracture, those
bits of bone in the table of the skull they perforate,
They actually perforate the brain. And as we know, you know,
we talk about how vascular the liver is, the brain
is even more vascular, and you've got these tiny tiny
(05:35):
vessels that just run throughout it. Because out of all
of the organs in the body, the brain, the brain
demands the most oxygen. So it's you know, nature has
a way of getting blood flow to those areas, and
so you get those little tears in that tissue, the
(05:56):
vascular elements of the brain, and you'll have a lot
of bleeding. And so when you know, the the skull
is opened up, you know, the pathologist is faced with
this idea that there are a copious amount of blood
that's just pouring out of the interior of Noah's skull.
(06:19):
You're talking about severe upper body trauma, right, And here's
here's another thing. Part of his scalp is also torn away.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Okay, when you tell me what the difference between torn
away versus any other way it would be described if
you had skin that was lifted off of the body
of the bomb. I mean, it just seems like this
is such a very specific thing to be torn.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Well, a lot of that can be counted, I think
many times toward elements of a vehicle, like a tire
or rubber tire. Perhaps if if the car actually let's
say he's riding on the back of a four wheeler
and he's impacted, or he's riding a four wheeler and
(07:07):
he's impacted, or he's riding in the back of the
jeep and the jeep is hitting the rear or in
the back of the truck and comes out of that vehicle.
Then he's essentially cast off beneath the vehicle. And as
you go under the undercarriage of that vehicle. These things
are traveling at a very high rate of speed, and
(07:29):
so just that energy alone, whatever solid surface that you
can catch hold of, say like on the scalp, will
literally rip it away. And you know how I've talked
about before day with lacerations, how I say the lacerations
are not the same as sharp force injuries. Yes, because
we've got you know, irregular edges, there's no clean margins. Well,
(07:57):
this is a laceration. The only problem is is that
in a case like this, you're not actually going to
have two sides to marry up to anything, because an
entire bit of tissue is absent from the body, and
so you would have these big patches. And I've had
this happen before. I've had it happen not just on skulls.
(08:19):
I've had it happen on shoulders and legs. You're always
I've had great chunks of thighs that have been ripped away,
and a lot of that is come in contact with
a tire that passes over and it just kind of
rips it away, tosses it aside, or tosses it to
one side. I say tossing like it's an actual person
(08:42):
doing this. It's not. It's just the physics behind it
and where that winds up. And of course what they're
talking about here is that they at the scene, they
actually found clumps of tissue and hair laying out there
in the road. I can't tell you how many late
nights I've spent over the course of my career with
(09:04):
a flashlight in hand, walking two and three abreast with
state troopers and firefighters. And if you ever see people
like that on the road, that's what they're doing. We'll
walk abreast with flashlights and we're looking back and forth
to see if we can see any other evidence. And
here's another fascinating piece to Noah's death. Is it, Davey,
(09:25):
They actually found multiple teeth right scene, laying out in
the road.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Is it possible that some of the pieces they found
in the road, the teeth and what have you, could
have been manipulated by other people who found the body
before the police were there. Could there have been a
problem with this.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, I would you know, when the term manipulated is utilized,
I'm thinking, well, manipulation can come in a passive form,
like you move a body and things full away and
that does happen, then you can go It's almost like
sins of omission and commission. Then you can have people
that have intent that are trying to muddy the waters,
(10:10):
if you will. From an investigated perspective, I don't think
that we're dealing with a group of sophisticated people.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And they were all well yeah, and they were intoxicated, right,
I mean, they were.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Absolutely hammered out of the brain, you know. The cops.
The cops, from what I'm understanding, believe that he may
have been pushed from the back of a vehicle. I
think my supposition here though, is, Dave, is it possible
(10:39):
that as a result of being pushed out of a vehicle
that he was consequently run over, you know, by another
vehicle that followed in the heart of darkness. If you
will during that night, the nighttime. I mean, how many times?
How many times have you been going down the road,
(11:00):
And we'll ask our friends is too Just think how
many times have you been going down the road and
your own personal vehicle and it's pitch black, you came
to your hand in front of your face if you
didn't have headlights, and all of a sudden, headlights only
extend out so far, and all of a sudden, there's
this blob that appears in the middle of the road
and you can't avoid it. And I think in our
own minds, we don't. Our default position is never human.
(11:24):
It's always dog, deer, maybe a wild hog or a
raccoon or something like that, and you don't think human.
Maybe that has come into play, But I'm like you,
there is more to come on the no of press
growth case, and I'm waiting. The term silent killer is
(11:59):
thrown around quite a bit in media entertainment, this sort
of thing, and even in medicine. You know, they talk
about how hypertension is a silent killer, and it is.
But there is an agent out there that has impacted
our country so desperately, and not just our country, but
(12:20):
around the world, and it is something that we have
become all too familiar with. And this past year we
did an episode about this agent and it came in
at number nine for our year in count and Dave,
I got to tell you, I have this doesn't surprise
(12:40):
me because I think that some of the things that
we found out, some of the cases that we covered
in one in particular, that well, two of the cases
that are involved in this episode gained quite a bit
of notoriety throughout the year, didn't they.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, you know, the episode was titled the New Epidemic
Fentanyl and the ninth most downloaded show of the last year,
and you look at it and you actually broke it
down in a way that made good sense to me,
because I really wondered where we were going to go
with this. And you mentioned Corey Richins, the Moscow Mule Woman,
but you also mentioned the first actual trial conviction of
(13:21):
a person who actually made a drug, made a pill
and used fentanyl and it killed a girl. And then
we had the daycare in New York, so which was
still shocking to me. It boggles my mind, how little,
what little bit you have to use now to start
this with Corey Richins. We know her as the Moscow
(13:41):
Mule Wife. She uses fentanyl to kill her husband and
it took her a couple of times to get it
down pat She apparently had been trying to poison him
before trying to get rid of him. So which is
still to this day. Joe, Please, for the love, just
get a divorce, start your life over. I mean, come on,
(14:03):
do you really have to kill the father of your children?
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah? Why? Why go to these links? And it's obvious
that well, first off, she didn't know what in the
hell she was doing. And you know, I guess I'm
not I'm not hearing to offer advice on this end,
trust me. But you know, when when you uh, you know,
you see someone and it's almost this is the thing
(14:27):
that's so disheartening about this, I think with uh, you
know her, her poor husband Eric Eric Richards, is that
she actually it was kind of like an experiment she
was running, Dave. That's the disgusting thing about it, uh,
where she was literally having to dial this in And
(14:48):
just so that we can reflect, just for a brief moment,
just in dulshmy Dave. Here, the fentanyl, you know, is
it's in the news. It's still in the news day
in in, day out. This is it's in the opiate family, Okay,
but this is not something that is naturally occurring. Okay,
(15:12):
it's actually a chemical compound that falls within the opiate family.
But the problem is is that it's like I think,
it's one hundred times stronger than morphine, Dave. And if
you've never been around morphine, if you've never received a
(15:34):
morphine injection for things. I had a terrible abdominal problem
at one point in time, and they had me. They
gave me a bullus of morphine. I've never had that before,
and Dave, I was feeling no pain whatsoever. As a
matter of fact, I just sleep slipped off into this
kind of milky, syrupy kind of twilight, you know thing
(15:58):
that I was in. You think about that, and then
you think about just a couple of grains of uh
of not grams, but grains of fentanyl UH can prove
lethal and in a case where where this is applied.
You know, for years they were using fentanyl patches and
(16:21):
they were used for a localized pain control, I think, UH,
to get people through you know, surgeries and uh, you know,
UH problems, skeletal problems, muscular problems, these sorts of things,
and then the people that were out there that that
had nefarious means about it, they said, oh wow, if
(16:42):
we can get our hands on these patches, uh you know,
people can we can sell these on the street. And
you know, they were finding people that had like two
and three patches stuck to their body. With Corey Richings,
the unique the uniqueness of this and we've actually seen
this in the past with poisoners. Dave uh Over, well
for centuries. Okay, there's a there's a very clandestine mindset
(17:07):
that these people have, you know, kind of they're the
ultimate silent assassin. And the thing about fentanyl, we we've
heard about people coming in contact with it, either passively
or directly. You know. Some of the things that terrify me,
particularly when it comes to these young cops that I
still teach four times a year at the Police Academy,
(17:29):
is that they're going to open up a bag and
there's going to be this big puff of dust that
comes out and this has happened, and they'll pass out.
Some of them go into cardiospiratory arrest, you know, and
it's it's a dangerous thing, but you know, she allegedly
found a way to weaponize this drug. Day.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Can narkhan reverse the effects of fentanyl?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It can, it can, But I would say that nark
Hahn is probably not as effective with this case. It
is that strong. Yeah, it's it's a tough hill to climb.
And there have been there's a number of reports that
I've read over the course of us you know, covering
cases where it says narkham was administered to no avail.
(18:17):
You know, it didn't, it didn't work out. I'm not
saying that it's it's you throw it out, okay, But
what I'm saying is is that fennel that gives you
an indication of how dangerous it is. And I understand
why our friends would be intrigued by the rich AND's
case because it is so ultimately bizarre. But arguably that case,
(18:42):
that case was striking to me. But Dave, the one
that really I think for you and me, if you'll
allow me to speak on your behalf. Yes, you are
these babies at you know, up in New York where
and I'll say it, these idiots we're storing fentanyl in
(19:02):
the floor of the home. And you and I both
have had little ones in our home for what many years?
And what do babies do with their hands? Well, they
explore the world with their hands. They're touching things. And
can you imagine you've got some You've got a child,
a baby that's crawling across the floor, this dirty, filthy
(19:26):
floor in this apartment that's fronting as a daycare center.
And the baby happens to put that precious little hand
down on the surface, that unclean surface. And what are
babies going to do with their hand? They're going to
take that hand and they're going to place it in
(19:47):
their mouth. Now, another way that fentanyl can be ingested
or taken up, if you will, is that under certain circumstances,
it can be transdermal, which means it can be absorbed
through the skin. Terrifying, right, Or like I mentioned with
(20:07):
police officers, if you're just around, have you ever noticed,
particularly in the summertime, when the sun is beaming through
your window and you see that that kind of rain
of dust that's in the air, You know, you catch
that every now and then. Well, if fentanyl that they're
(20:27):
storing there is in a histamine form like that, and
you've got people stomping back and forth over that sealed area.
Guess what, that substance will rain up in the air
and float about well where babies they're down close to
the floor. So it's hard to say exactly how these
(20:52):
precious children ingested this insidious, insidious age. It's not simply
the attic that's utilizing the substance. Everybody in their circle,
children included, can be subject to the effects of it,
and people that just going about their normal, everyday lives.
(21:13):
You open up a trunk of a car that you've
pulled over because it broke center line, if you're a
police officer, and that puff comes up and it hits
you in the face, and you might not be going
home that evening. Well, Dave, that brings us to the
(21:43):
eighth most downloaded episode of body Bags for this year.
And hey, you know what people always do with every
new year. They make resolutions. And one of the biggest
things that people resolved to do in their life is
(22:06):
to get in better shape. That means going to the gym,
that means working out and eating right and all these
sorts of things. But I got to tell you the
number eight case actually involved a bit of workout equipment,
and it was I think that our friends found this
episode particularly in lightning and interesting. If not, you know,
(22:31):
we wouldn't have had it sound.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Like triple whammy, Joe, because actually gave you the chance
to tell us about a stretch of area in Louisiana
that I was unfamiliar with. You got to talk about
shopping at Walmart and how that came into the actual
breaking of the case. We got to talk about kettlebells
as well as recording artists in a studio and Atlanta
(22:54):
to Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
We had.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
This was a geographical nightmare of a story to tell
that you were ab or breakdown that actually ends with
a married couple following ten stories and surviving the fall.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, that's uh, that's quite remarkable, isn't it. Uh Where
of course we're we're talking about the title of this
episode was a married couple missing three weeks, the torture
death of the Joseph's uh and Uh not Joseph's like
plural me, but uh Joseph's is uh. Uh is their
(23:33):
last name Uh LaKeithia and Kenneth Joseph And eventually their
cause of death uh was in fact a drowning. But
Dave this this case in particular, Uh is is intriguing
by virtue of you know, the geography obviously, and then
(23:56):
the means I don't know that we really covered a
more bizarre this year than this one, and we covered
a lot of bizarre cases.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, and that's why I was This was a story that,
as you were telling it, I was not familiar with
the area. And for those of you who haven't had
a chance to listen to, I'd encourage it. He gave
you the title Married Couple Missing three Weeks, the torture
Death of the Josephs, And it's a phenomenal story of
(24:28):
a young of a couple who's recently married and they
end up being murdered and all of it actually sounds
kind of like a movie or an episode of a
police show. But it would have to be a two
parter because there are so many twists and turns in
this to go from recording studio in Louisiana to Atlanta
(24:51):
and have rappers and vehicles and kettlebells all mixed together. Joe,
tell me how what happened to le Keith Lakeitha and
Kenneth Joseph. What happened to them?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Well, you know with with both of them, Uh, they
they actually were were taken uh to a location which
goes over a rather substantial waterway in between uh New
Orleans East, and you have to say, it is not
(25:28):
New Orleans and it's not New Orleans, it's New Orleans East. Uh.
That's how we say it, New Orleans East. And do
it again. Man, I got I got it in East.
Yeah yeah, yeah, so uh it uh. So many people
will say New Orleans, you know, they'll pronounce it like that,
(25:50):
and it doesn't matter what area of the country you
come from.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I blame it on the band that had a couple
of hits in the mid seventies Leans.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Uh. But yeah, So this couple who had taken their shot,
or at least peripherally, were involved in the music industry,
and I think that there are a lot of people
that are out there that that have uh you know,
have designs on becoming uh uh musical stars and wanting
(26:23):
to be involved in that environment. This case actually, you know,
started out in uh in a recording studio in Metai, uh, Louisiana,
which is actually my old jurisdiction. It is Jefferson Parrish, Louisiana.
So they there was a fight that had ensued at
(26:44):
a recording studio there. It was from there, well, they
believe the police believed that an attack actually took place
within the recording studio because, as it turned out later, Uh,
there was, in fact, there were blood stains on the
(27:05):
surface of the floor in the studio, and someone had
made an attempt to clean these blood stains up with
of all things, degreaser that it's going to lift it
out of there. Doesn't work, It doesn't, No, it doesn't.
You probably have a better luck with Dawn, and that
(27:26):
still doesn't work effectively. But Dawn is something, interestingly enough,
we clean the Morgue with. People don't realize that it
really it does a great job on blood.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And now we're doing commercials for days and we're not
talking about Gillian's Island and the other you know.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, no, we're talking about Dawn. Yeah. So been using
in the Morgue for years?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Is that what you use at home? Washington dishes?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh? Yeah, I do. And I think about those days
in the Morgue every time I'm scrubbing a dish.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But you know, they had made some kind of attempt
to clean the blood up. But here's the thing. The
corner actually opined that they were probably not dead at
the studio. It was like an attack, okay, And they
(28:16):
were taken to this bridge which out in that portion
if anyone has ever driven into New Orleans on on it,
you go across what are referred to as the Twin
Span bridges that are out there. And running parallel to
the Twin Spans is Highway ninety, the same highway that
(28:42):
Jane Mansfield died on, and it's back kind of to
the south of I ten and there's a large high
rise road or bridge that goes over. So there's two cities,
shall Met and New Orleans, and the area of New
Orleans that this is is referred to as New Orleans East,
(29:03):
and this bridge is rather high. What they believe is
that two kettlebells were purchased from Walmart at one o'clock
in the morning, by the way, at one o'clock in
the morning, and the reason that they were found out
was that if you ever go to the Sporting good
(29:25):
section in Walmart. Now this may have changed some but
a lot of their athletic equipment as it applies to
bodybuilding is actually supplied by Gold's Gym. It's an actual
brand and that's what these kettle bells were so they
were actually lashed to these kettlebells. Kenneth and k Yeah,
(29:46):
Kenneth and Leakeitha. And they were tossed off of this bridge.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Okay, just so I'm getting this right. Yeah, Kenneth and Leakeitha,
Joseph are attacked. They're tied up, they have kettlebells tied
to their bodies I'm guessing as weights to weight their
bodies down. They are then thrown off the ten story bridge. Yeah,
(30:12):
they survive the fall into the water. That ten story
fall did not kill them. How did they die, Joe?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, Well the coroner and again I think that this
is as much art as it is science because it
would be very difficult to try to make a determination.
But he opined that the cause of death was actually drowning.
(30:43):
And that's amazing, you know because if you fall from
a height, and I could tell your emphasis by what
you were saying, if you fall from a height, and
if it's ten stories, you think, well, let's just be
conservative and say it's each each story is ten feet
in height. All right, you're talking about one hundred foot fall.
(31:08):
That water can become like concrete when you hit it
if you don't hit it just right. And I'm not
of the opinion that anyone that jumps off of a
bridge necessarily dies immediately, and I know that's very gruesome
to contemplate. I think that they can be knocked unconscious,
(31:30):
but that doesn't mean that life has actually left their body.
Their brain is self functioning on one level, and they're
going to breathe, they're going to try to take up oxygen.
Of course, when you try to take up oxygen and
you're in a liquid environment, where are you going to
take up Well, you're going to suck in that brackish
(31:52):
water that flows beneath that bridge, and that's a mixture
of salt water and fresh water, and you're going to
have it all in your lungs. So you're going to
be looking in the airway. It's not just to see
if there is water present day, but one of the
things that is actually done is you're looking for what
(32:15):
are referred to as diatoms, and there's there these little
bitty creatures, their little skeletons are there contained within the
sample that you're taking from the water, and that gives
you an idea that you have an uptake of water
into your airway, and so it's one of the ways
(32:37):
that you can kind of verify whether or not someone
was still alive, you know, when they went in the water,
and that that would lead you to conclude that their
cause of death as was in this case listed as
listed as drowning. And of course this turns us into
a homicide. So that brings us to number seven on
(32:58):
our list for this year's most downloaded episodes. And David,
I got to tell you, I beat up a lot
on dudes on the show, I think many times. And
moms who invite boyfriends into homes and horrible things happen
(33:20):
to children many times. It's something I'm not particularly a
fan of, and that's simply based Look, I know that's
not every case, but it's simply based on the fact
that a lot of cases that you and I see,
you know, there's a boyfriend in the home that has
you know, just done horrible things. But you know, we
(33:42):
kind of flipped the script on this one. In this
particular case, this is the girlfriend that has entered the
home and you know, brought with her just pure, unadelterated hell.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
The headline, the title of it tells you everything. Joe
number seven most downloaded show The Monster Is Real. Dad's
new girlfriend kills baby with Neil polish remover and by
the way, nail polish remover didn't even know it was deadly. No,
but that's only one thing that this person did to
(34:22):
that baby. This wasn't a one time thing, Joe. She
had been she had been feeding an eighteen month old
child the stuff of nightmares, beating by getting her to
ingest things that are not ingestible.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean. And the least of these were twenty
water beads DAVE, which are beats. Yeah, and so there
they're these little things that you know you can that
will dissolve in a bath, I think, and you know
they've mis a soaphy concoction and you can take a
bubble bath with. But then she graduated from water beads
(34:59):
to get the DAVE three button shaped batteries. Now when
I say button shaped, I'm talking about the circular circular batteries, Yeah,
the flat ones that you might use in a digital
wristwatch or whatever the case might be. Certain flashlights utilize them.
And then finally a screw, a metal screw, a metal
(35:24):
screw that this child and I have to wonder did
was this a passive event or did she hold her
mouth open and jam at donner throat? Uh? That's that's
the level of horror here that we're talking about. And
I don't you know, you you look at situations like
this and you begin to think, you know, dude, what
(35:44):
kind of vetting did you do on this person? You
know that you would entrust in my opinion? Uh, And
you know I'm kind of biased here. The most precious
thing we have is our children, and you know they
are God's gift. And to turn this child over lockstock
and barrel, to let's face it a total stranger. I
(36:07):
don't care how many months you've been together. You're not
going to turn over this precious child and entrust it
to someone like this. And you can't tell me that
there weren't signs leading up to this in this particular
case involving this precious little Iris. The the agent that
(36:31):
Owens chose here, as you had mentioned to acetone is
arguably one of the most painful ways someone can die. Well,
it's one of the things that it's going to do
is that it is you develop a condition called keto acidosis,
(36:53):
which is, you know, if people are treated for it
early on, they can survive. It's but if it goes untreated. Uh.
And unfortunately, many times, and this is not a dig
(37:14):
against clinicians, you have a child that presents in the
emergency room and they don't they don't necessarily think acetone poisoning,
you know, they think that the kid has got some
other kind of metabolic thing going on. Maybe it's some
kind of natural disease a child is presenting with, and
(37:36):
they're trying to to treat this. And the problem is
is that with acetone poisoning which leads to keto acidosis,
is that if you do not begin treatment specifically for
that early on, and you know in the trajectory of
the treatment plan, you're it's kind of a lost cause
(37:59):
and it would be very painful. It'd be a horrible
way to die. You know, you get horrible stomach cramps, vomiting, diarrhea,
blood pressure crashes, and eventually most people in this progression
become comatose. And what happens is is that you're going
(38:19):
to go into and this is really one of the
things that makes it very insidious, is that you go
into kidney failure day. We're talking about eighteen month old
here that her kidney's completely shut down. And one of
the ways they make the diagnosis is that they take
a urine sample, and you're not supposed to have keytnes
(38:39):
and your urine, so you know that if keytones are present,
that there's problem back upstream that needs to be treated.
But you know who who knows when they're starting to
shift and you're in the emergency room that you're going
to have kid that has ingested. Are been four to
(39:00):
ingest nil polish remover and unfortunately it led to this
precious baby's death.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
In this episode, we've covered from number ten, the tenth
most downloaded episode of the year, down to number seven.
Tomorrow we pick up with number six as we head
anyone like doing the Casey case on this year's annual countdown.
It's a long distance Jedakid dedication from Joseph Scott Morgan
in his studio in Body Bags World in Jacksonville and Alabama,
(39:33):
and he's sending it out to everyone in his hometown
of Nolan's, Louisiana.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Well, we will be picking up with number six tomorrow, Dave,
And in the meantime, keep your feet on the ground.
I keep freaking breaking for the stars. I'm Joseph Scott
Morgan and this is body Bags
Host
Joseph Scott Morgan
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